Fantasy Football Today - 10/24 Fantasy Football Podcast: Waiver Wire
Episode Date: October 24, 2017With six teams on bye this week, you may have to dig deep into the Waiver Wire to find competent starters, but we've got your back! Top options at QB (2:48), RB (4:10), WR (8:04), TE (8:40), DST (11:4...0) and IDP (14:00) as we cover Andy Dalton, Marlon Mack, Juju Smith-Schuster, Tyler Kroft and many more. Also should you keep the JAC DST through the bye (15:51)? ... Recapping WAS-PHI (20:50) and ATL-NE (31:58). Sell high on Carson Wentz? Drop Matt Ryan? ... More Waiver Wire options at each position (39:50-1:02:56) as we debate Dion Lewis' value, wonder if Ted Ginn and Marvin Jones should be close to 100% owned, try to find some exciting TEs and give more DST options for Week 8 ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Hey, who would have thought, guys, that the number one quarterback and the number one tight end,
it's not Brady to Gronk.
It's Wentz to Ertz through seven weeks.
How about that?
How many Team Name Tuesdays can we come up with from that duo?
A lot.
Wentz to Ertz?
What am I missing here?
You could make words out of Wentz and Ertz.
Ertz a lot.
Yeah, we get Ertz a lot.
But kind of done with Team Name Tuesday.
I think we're retiring it for the rest of the year.
I don't think you have a problem with that.
It Ertz, Wentz, Eifert.
That one, yep, that's a popular one.
Ertz and Eifert are always –
I thought I just came up with it.
You did not come up with that.
Because I put Wentz in the middle.
I don't think you came up with that.
I mean, if you did, it's still pretty unoriginal because we've gotten a lot of it Ertz when I first.
I mean, it's at least 33% original.
That's true.
If that's what you're striving for, congratulations.
All right.
Let's start out with the waiver wire and then get into the game from last night.
Also, the game from Sunday night, the Fog Bowl.
What did you think of that camera angle?
It was awesome.
I wish they had more games like that.
Yes, they should all be like that.
They should not all be like that. I think it would get pretty old, but it was cool. Maybe mix they had more games like that. Yes, they should all be like that. They should not all be like that.
I think it would get pretty old, but it was cool.
Maybe mix it in a little bit more.
All right, I'm by this week.
A lot of teams.
Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, Arizona, the Rams, and the Giants.
Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, Arizona, the Rams, and the Giants.
Are you freaking out about the week eight by NATO?
No.
You don't freak out, but you're going to probably start some players you can't believe you're starting.
Because I ranked some players I couldn't believe I was ranking.
You didn't have a lot of choice.
Yeah.
Next two weeks are going to be tough.
So we'll do what we did last week.
Give me your top three priorities at each position instead of overall.
We can expand on it a little bit later.
Who wants quarterback?
I think there's really only one quarterback that people are going to go and grab for this week,
and it's Andy Dalton.
Okay.
Yeah, he is by far and away the best choice,
the only one that you might be picking up for multiple weeks.
I guess I could do quarterback and give you my three picking up for multiple weeks. I guess I could just give you, I could do quarterback
and give you my three streamers for the week.
Go for it, Heath.
Andy Dalton is like number one,
1A, 1B,
get Andy Dalton.
But if he's not available,
I like a bounce back
week for Case Keenum
and I like Josh McCown
chasing the scoreboard against Atlanta.
You like him over Matt Moore?
I do.
I think Matt Moore might be better
if he gets to play the rest of the season,
but I don't like Matt Moore on
a short week on
the road. I'm not really interested
in that. Without Devontae Parker. I mean, he did it
last week without Devontae Parker.
Oh, Parker doesn't matter for him.
No. You don't think so?
He likes Kenny Stills more anyway.
Based on last week.
I have it, Adam.
I know you're seeing how I have more ahead of McCown.
If we're just talking for this week, I like McCown and Keenum better than Moore.
But Moore may have long-term value.
All right.
So Dalton, Keenum, McCown, quarterbacks to look at for this week.
Also, Tyrod Taylor might be available in your leagues.
He's like 81% owned, and he's got a home game,
so he will score 21 fantasy points against the Raiders this week.
How about running backs?
Dave, why don't you give us three running backs to target?
Well, if Marlon Mack is out there,
I think his playing time is going to continue to go up,
and his touches have nowhere to go but up, so I would try and get him.
But outside of the guys that are highly owned, you look at Latavius Murray.
We have to go back to him now.
He's playing against Cleveland.
He's a good one-week fix.
I think Matt Forte is an interesting choice, especially in PPR leagues.
I think he's going to have a pretty decent game against Atlanta.
I would look his direction.
I was shocked at how much more, even with Ball-Powell back,
they used Forte in the passing.
They just trust him more.
I don't love saying that because I don't think he's that great of a player,
but he's going to get a lot of work.
Wendell Smallwood, if you're looking long-term.
Deion Lewis.
How could I forget about Deion Lewis?
Looks like he's the main guy now for New England at running back
until who knows when.
All right.
Let's just, if you've got it kind of in your head now,
if you had to pick three of them to make your first three claims.
Mack, Murray, Forte.
All of them over Deion Lewis?
Yes.
Deion Lewis going up against the Chargers who are now five yards per carry
and Latavius Murray going up against Cleveland. That allows 2.95 yards per carry.
Doesn't matter.
He'll grind out the clock, and he's got a chance to score.
Okay.
That's a good run defense.
All right.
Yeah, Latavius Murray is 65% on.
There actually are a lot of running backs.
We'll spend a lot of time on running back because you've got Rob Kelly,
who's 69% owned.
You've got James White, who's 79% owned, might be available.
I think Dave just gave three good running backs to pick up this week,
and I don't know that he mentioned Jamie's favorite or my favorite.
So that tells you how deep running back is this week.
Who's your favorite?
I'll go with Jalen Richard.
Yeah, that's not my favorite.
And Jamie, who's your favorite?
Oh, it's Wendell Smallwood.
Wendell Smallwood, all right.
There's five guys for you.
Well, Smallwood and Lewis are close, but those two by far.
Latavius Murray is not somebody that I'm interested in this week
because I think he's going to struggle because Cleveland's run defense has been very good.
But he's certainly somebody that you should still go back to if you want to, you know,
I don't want to say chase points because the carries have been there for him,
but he's not going to do that again.
He's not getting under the yard.
You're starting him because you think he can score.
I don't know if I think that.
I'm not starting him because I think he can score.
I'd be starting him just because I think volume is there for him.
We ran into that trap before with Latavius Murray, and he was bad.
I mean, he's coming off a good game.
He's just not good.
He had a couple good runs.
Yeah, it's tough.
It's like it is deep Heath running back,
but it's also deep with players that you're just hoping are going to be good.
You know?
Well, Jalen Richard's already been good.
Jalen Richard had nine carries for 31 yards,
four catches for 45 yards against Kansas City.
I mean, if he gets 13 touches,
I don't know that he's going to be so good
against Buffalo, at Buffalo.
They just did a great job against Doug Martin.
I'm not saying that I wouldn't pick up Rashard.
I'm definitely going to be trying to claim him
because you need players.
I don't know that there's any running back
that's like, oh, can't wait to start this guy.
Well, there's nobody I'm blowing my fab for,
if that's what you're saying.
I guess so, yeah.
And we haven't even mentioned Alex Collins yet, right?
No, we have not.
Right.
It's deep with decent options, right?
It depends on whether you need a fix now or something to speculate on the rest of the year.
I think those are two different categories.
I think Smallwood is almost better for rest of season than just for this week.
Okay.
Yeah, I like Smallwood for this better for rest of season than just for this week. Okay. Yeah, I like Smallwood for this weekend for rest of season.
By the way, how about I went with Smallwood, Jamie, as a sleeper this week on the Friday video show
because I thought, hey, the Redskins, they give up production to running backs in the passing game.
And it was Corey Clement who caught the touchdown.
Yeah, I have a feeling it was just him working his way back from the injury.
I'm very encouraged by him. Okay, I have a feeling it was just him working his way back from the injury. I'm very encouraged by him.
Okay, wide receivers.
Jamie, why don't you give me three wide receivers to prioritize this week?
Josh Doxson would be one.
I love the playing time that he got last night,
and I think that's a sign of things to come because the real prior stinks.
Two would be Juju because of the Martavis Bryant mess that's going on there.
And three would be Kenny Stills.
So Stills could be ruined if Devontae Parker comes back,
but for right now you've got to buy in.
And that's not even getting to the guys who are owned in like 70% of leagues
that might be available.
Ted Ginn, Marvin Jones, Sterling Shepard, Jermaine Curse perhaps.
So, yeah, there are a lot of options at wide receiver as well.
Tight end. Heath, you want to give me some tight end streamers?
I would love to give you some tight end streamers
My favorite this week is actually
And it's going to be dependent
Let's see if Jeremy Macklin or Mike Wallace on a short week can get back
If they can't, I love, love benjamin watson going up against the dolphins
the dolphins past defense at times is okay but at times they just look completely and totally lost
like they forgot they were even supposed to be covering people in the opposing jerseys
like the safarian jenkins touchdown last week yes and then i'm not completely going away from
nick o'leary he only got two targets that was disappointing but it's a good matchup against the oakland raiders he converted both of
those targets into 58 yards listen if you're disappointing week for a streaming tight end
is five fantasy points that's okay it's not it's not awful so um number three i don't see on jamie's
list of tight ends and now I'm having a hard
time remembering who it was that I put in the
article that is not out yet. A mystery
tight end? It's a mystery tight end,
so that means they're probably not that exciting.
I'm just going to keep
delaying for a couple more moments
while I pull the name up.
Are you excited for Halloween?
Halloween is arguably
the worst holiday in the world.
Ooh, hot take.
There's nothing good about it, and it only gets worse when you have kids, in my opinion.
My third favorite is A.J. Derby, who got seven targets with Emmanuel Sanders out.
As long as Sanders is out again this week, that Chiefs defense just is not the same.
Am I crazy, or is there a tight end you didn't even mention?
Oh, there are many tight ends.
Tyler Croft is a streaming tight end this week, and maybe even more than that,
because he's been getting targets the last three games.
We know Eifert's not coming back.
Dalton's been throwing to him, and it's a good matchup.
So I like Tyler Croft.
I like him this week, yep, absolutely.
The Colts, that's Croft's matchup this week.
They've allowed four touchdowns to tight ends in their last five games.
Croft did catch one last week.
He has three touchdowns in his last three games, including a two-touchdown game.
So we're talking Ben Watson, Nick O'Leary, Tyler Croft, A.J. Derby.
You might have to take a Tums before you put in your claims for tight ends.
You know, there are two tight ends that Jamie mentions that are very owned, 82% and 83% owned.
Maybe you get lucky.
Both of them have great matchups, Hunter Henry and Jason Witten, and both of them are playing well.
So that would be the dream scenario.
But if you can't get Hunter Henry and Jason Witten, you're looking at Croft, you're looking at
Watson, you're looking at Derby, you're looking at
O'Leary, Jared Cook.
Jared, you know, the Bills might be
bad against tight ends. We just don't know. Their first
six games or five games, they didn't really
play good ones. And then last week, they got
torn apart by the Bucks tight ends.
So maybe Jared Cook can follow it up. You're
kind of desperate. And
yes, as Dave said, you're going to be starting players this week
that you wouldn't ordinarily expect to start.
Jamie, how about three defense special teams, DSTs, for this week?
I just told you what DST stands for.
I don't think you needed to know that.
Give me three.
The Bengals will be number one.
There's a lot of Bengals in this.
Yeah.
They're playing the Colts.
Makes sense.
This waiver wire week.
Bengals against the Colts, Dolphins against the Ravens,
and the Bills against the Raiders.
I think the Raiders are going to be in for a letdown against Buffalo.
You got my number two and number three from the streaming article.
The only one that he left out that I think might have a couple big plays in him
are the Saints this week.
I have them at four.
Yeah, I like the Saints.
The Saints, they were okay against the Packers, but
the Bears allow the second most
fantasy points to opposing DSTs, and they
are particularly bad when
they are on the road, when the Bears are on the road.
That will be the case. But that was with Glennon, though, wasn't it?
That hasn't really been my premise.
Well, right, you know what? It might not be as bad
just because he threw seven passes.
Yeah, they're going to be conservative.
I mean, you know, so it's just a matter of,
will they turn the ball over?
Right.
That game and figuring out the script of that game
is going to be interesting in projecting a lot of players this week.
The Bears and the Saints?
Yes, it could go a couple different ways.
The Saints will push the envelope and force the Bears to have a throw eventually.
That's one thing that could happen.
That's the most logical thing, though.
Yes, but if the Bears stay in that game, they may just throw it seven times again,
and it could change the complexion of everything.
The Bears aren't throwing it.
They'll throw it more than seven times for sure.
Right, but you know –
There's no way.
I guess the one strike against the Saints is the Jaguars' argument,
that the Jaguars have not been a good matchup for DSTs this year
because they've been so run-heavy, and they've been able to avoid –
you run the ball a lot. I don't know how many sacks they've given up, but I and they've been able to avoid you run the ball.
I don't know how many sacks they've given up, but I think they've been able to avoid sacks and turnovers because that's what happens when you run the ball a lot.
But you wouldn't expect the Bears to score a lot of points, which is a good starting point for the Saints.
And they had two defensive touchdowns against Carolina and the Panthers offense ran 73 plays.
That means the Bears defense was on the field for 73 plays.
And Saints are probably going to be able to take advantage of that.
All right, so Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, Saints,
these are DSTs that you can pick up this week.
You are missing Saxonville.
You are missing Arizona.
You are missing the Rams.
And then a few others that haven't really been that relevant.
And, Dave, how about some IDP?
Individual Defensive Player is what it stands for. Dave, how about some IDP? Individual defensive player is what it stands for. Dave,
how about some IDP help this week?
David Irving's back for the
Cowboys. He's a defensive lineman.
He's got double-digit fantasy points in each of
his two games. That's a good thing. I would
stick with him. A couple of linebackers
I like. Devondra Campbell of Atlanta.
Christian Jones of Chicago. Hayes Pullard
of the LA Chargers. I
like the Chargers defense, by the way.
I think that they're starting to get their act together
and play a lot better shutting out Denver.
They were impressive.
They were getting after Simeon.
Lots of blitzes.
Big test this week.
Big test this week.
I think they give them a game, though.
I'm not going to say that they're going to win,
but I think it's going to be a close game.
You know what?
I'm going to change my mind.
I think there's a chance the Chargers can walk out of there with a win.
That defense has been playing good, and it's been
consistent. But you know what? You look at
the teams they've played recently.
They've played the Giants and the Broncos.
When that team may have the
two best pass rushers in the NFL,
in Bosa and Ingram, when they play
teams that don't have good offensive lines,
that's relevant for fantasy
because they're really going to put a lot of pressure on the quarterback,
and they killed the Broncos' options this week.
And the Patriots' offensive line has been not as bad as the Broncos'
and the Giants', but it hasn't been great this year.
That's the reason why I think the Broncos had such a bad game
is that that offensive line has started to fall apart a little bit.
Garrett Bowles hasn't been the same since he got hurt.
One more ADP.
I mentioned him last week.
He had a good game again this week.
Adrian Amos of the Bears.
Defensive back.
All right.
So David Irving is definitely someone to take a look at.
Washington's offensive line, pretty beat up.
They got the Cowboys this week.
They could be without their right guard, Brandon Sheriff, who's very good.
They could be without Trent Williams, their left tackle.
And Jason Peters for the Eagles, by the way.
We're going to get to that.
But he left with a serious knee injury,
and that was actually a lot of offensive line injuries last night.
Here's a quick email of the day from Mike, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.
Fantasyfootballatcbsi.com is the email address.
Could you talk about whether or not the Jaguars' DST is cuttable during the bye week?
Absolutely not.
I don't like to carry due defenses, but if you are inclined to do so, this is what I'm going to do it for.
Yeah, I would have a hard time doing that, holding on to them.
Oh, I hope you have them in some of our leagues then.
I do have them in a couple leagues.
Good.
They are number one with a bullet.
I dare you to cut them.
No, they are number one by so much right now.
They are number one by so much of a gap right now.
And the schedule is amazing.
Yeah, Cincinnati, the Chargers, Cleveland, Cardinals, that's their next four after the bye.
I guess it just depends, like, what players are you –
you have to decide what level of player you're okay dropping to keep Jacksonville.
Well, I'll put it this way.
If you're deciding between carrying – and I know your answer, Heath –
but if you're deciding between carrying Ty Montgomery or the Jags will defense at this point,
what makes more sense for your team moving forward?
I'm going to keep Ty Montgomery.
No.
I understand that.
But most people are going to probably say bye-bye Ty and keep the Jaguars.
Like Terrell Pryor or the Jaguars defense?
Easily cutting Terrell Pryor.
Okay.
So, yeah.
It's like Isaiah Crowell or the Jags defense.
Yeah, I'm probably.
You're not keeping Crowell.
I'm probably cutting.
Assuming.
That's a different one because he's not on a buy this week.
If I don't have to – I'm going to have a lot of teams where I don't – I need every active running back I need to start.
I mean clearly it's case specific, but if you have the decision of cutting player X that you're not playing or on buy or keeping two DSDs that are better for the long-term value of your team.
So we're cutting, like Sammy Watkins, cut.
That's fine.
Will Fuller faces Seattle.
You're not starting him this week. No, because he's got good long-term appeal.
I understand.
I'm just saying there are teams where Will Fuller might be your last bench guy.
But you can't cut him.
So you would cut Jacksonville in that situation.
I'm just trying to find the level of player where we're cutting Jacksonville.
I think you can trade Jacksonville for a bench player,
or you trade Jacksonville for someone else.
A two-for-one type deal.
How about this?
Would you drop Devontae Adams or the Jaguars DST?
Jacksonville.
Probably Jacksonville.
I'm in a league where I have the Jags DST, and the DST scoring is just ridiculous.
So I'm cutting Mike Gillisley for him.
Good for you.
And Heath, you never picked up Mike Gillisley in the league that you lambasted me for dropping Mike Gillisley.
Did anybody pick him up?
No.
I am known for doing that.
10-team PPR?
Who the hell is picking up Mike Gillisley?
You were off on one of the shows, Dave.
It might have been the Wednesday show.
I dropped Javoris Allen to pick up Chris Thompson.
And these two were like, oh, I can't believe you dropped Javoris Allen.
We're going to get Javoris Allen.
And it's a fab league.
This one over here, I'm going to get him.
No, I'm going to get him.
What happens?
Four points.
Zero bid.
Somebody else got him.
No, Barone got him for zero.
And that's the same league, by the way.
10-team PPR league.
Last point on the Jaguars' DST, Adam.
What do Andy Dalton, Phillip Rivers, Cody Kessler, Drew Stanton, and Jacoby Brissett have in common?
All right-handed.
Thank you.
Got it.
Nailed it.
No.
Oh, what is it?
They all play Jacksonville after the Jaguars buy.
Those are their next five opposing quarterbacks.
Very nice.
I want to be clear.
I was not saying I want to drop Jacksonville.
I'm just saying there is a certain level of players.
No, you got to it.
You got to that level.
I think the Ty Montgomery one is interesting.
It really comes down to, and this is a question you should ask yourself with any of these players,
if you want to speculate on Corey Davis or
Mike Williams or whoever
you consider stash candidate X,
when are you ever going to play the guy that you're considering
holding for them?
Jonathan Stewart or Isaiah Crowell or
Ty Montgomery or Terrell Pryor
or Sammy Watkins. I think I need to put the Jaguars
in the stash rankings this week. Probably so.
You know what?
It's a shame that the Jaguars DST is on a bye this week
when there are also five other teams, well, six teams on a bye
because there are going to be a lot of players on some teams that aren't playing.
You know, you have to make, I guess what I'm trying to say is
there might be a lot of players on your team that are on a bye
and you're going to have to make tough choices.
And when it comes down to it, it might be the Jaguars that get cut.
I think we've made a pretty clear case on how we feel about it, though.
The other thing you could do is if you're like 6-1 or better,
you could just take a zero.
You could.
Think long term.
I'm not about that.
Could you cut your kicker for a DST?
Ask your commissioner if you can play without a kicker.
That also might be a solution.
You know what?
You could just all play without
kickers and have a lot better league.
You'd have an extra roster spot that way for something else.
Alright, Philadelphia 34,
Washington 24.
The Redskins had four
offensive linemen leave the game at one point,
but it looks like Trent Williams,
well, Brandon Sheriff is the most serious.
It looks like he needs an MRI on his knee.
And left tackle Trent Williams has been dealing with a knee injury,
so he re-aggravated that.
Meanwhile, as I mentioned, Jason Peters for the Eagles, their left tackle,
he left with a knee injury.
And, look, he might be out for the year.
He got carted off.
He was put in the air cast.
It was bad.
All right, Carson Wentz.
What does this left tackle injury do, in your opinion, to Carson Wentz?
And I'm going to give you another stat on him in a second.
He's now the number one quarterback in fantasy.
He scored 38 fantasy points last night with 63 rushing yards with four touchdowns.
Are you worried about him now if he loses Peters for the season?
Not worried, but it's a slight downtick.
You worry about it in those matchups where he takes on tough pass rushes.
A couple weeks from now, he's got Denver at home.
He's got Dallas two weeks after that.
Won't be easy.
He eventually is going to play at Seattle in a primetime game.
And if the left tackle situation is uneasy there,
it's going to force him to play more two tight end sets.
It's going to take a receiver off the field for him.
It probably won't hurt him badly. They play a play more two tight end sets. It's going to take a receiver off the field for him. It probably won't hurt him badly.
They play a lot of two tight end sets anyway.
I know.
But when they play a lot of two tight end sets, those guys are running ruts.
They don't leave him in the block all the time.
Well, no, Selick they do.
How many slaps does Selick play?
Maybe half the game?
I don't know.
Maybe less?
Well, we could see it like every play if they can't fix the left tackle.
Now, look, Peters missed half the game and still Wentz did very well.
He also did well previously with his right tackle, Lane Johnson, out.
And that was a huge thing last year.
He did very poorly with Lane Johnson out.
So he's just obviously a much better player.
I also see Denver on the schedule.
And then in weeks, let's see, 13, 14, and 15 at
Seattle, at the Rams, at the Giants. So I don't know. I guess you know what I'm asking. Are you
looking to sell Carson Wentz? What do you think? Yeah, it's never a bad idea to sell somebody if
you can get great value in return. In a lot of leagues, Carson Wentz was drafted to be your
number two quarterback. So if you did get the right number one guy and you feel comfortable with that guy,
Russell Wilson, Breeze, Brady, anybody that you don't have any questions about,
then you should try and flip him, especially if you're a number one guy like Wilson
or Breeze has already passed his bye week.
Let's say you've got Wentz and Watson.
Which one are you trying to sell?
I would try and sell Wentz.
I think I could get more for Watson still.
No, not right now.
I'd sell whichever one I could get more for, I think, is the answer.
Yeah, right.
Now, who do you like better as of season?
How about rank Wentz, Watson, Wilson?
We'll do the Ws.
Wentz, Watson, Wilson.
Wentz and Watson are extremely close for me.
I think I have Watson a smidge higher.
So I'll go Watson, Wentz, and then Russell Wilson.
I'll go the exact opposite order.
Oh, you've got Wilson first.
I'd go Wilson.
I'd go Wilson, Wentz, Watson.
And where's Dak?
After Wilson.
Yep. Before Wentz and Watson. Nope where's Dak? After Wilson. Yep.
Before Wentz and Watson?
Nope.
Ahead of all three.
All right.
So Wentz, you know, I'm looking at all the pass attempts,
and I'm looking at all the touchdowns,
and I'm seeing that he's got five straight games with 31 or fewer pass attempts.
But you look at all seven games, Carson Wentz is on pace for 530 pass attempts.
It's not really that many.
And he's on pace for 39 touchdowns.
So I wanted to see, have there been quarterbacks recently who have thrown around 530 passes
and had 35 or more passing touchdowns?
I can think of one.
There was one last year.
Matt Ryan last year.
The year before that, there were two.
Cam Newton and Carson Palmer and Russell Wilson threw 34 touchdowns.
The year before that, we had Aaron Rodgers.
Didn't have any in 2012 or 2013, but the last four seasons,
or the last three seasons, excuse me, there have been five quarterbacks
with 34 or more passing touchdowns and around 530 passing attempts.
So it is becoming more common.
That said, it's kind of crazy how good Wentz has been on so many limited attempts,
I guess, over the last five weeks. All right, let's move on from Carson Wentz. Another good
game for Kirk Cousins. He's got some pretty tough matchups coming up, but I don't know.
I can't just ask so high on everybody, but we need quarterbacks. Rob Kelly. I've been kind of
excited for his return, but I knew this would be a tough game for him.
The Eagles have arguably the best run defense in the NFL.
Do you think Kelly will be a reliable player going forward?
Absolutely.
And I like that in the garbage time they're using him in the passing game.
Yep.
Yeah, I feel pretty confident in him as a borderline number two running back.
Especially this week.
Yeah.
Against Dallas.
Yeah.
Do you think – okay, Terrell Pryor, absolutely droppable? Yep. Yes. especially this week. Yeah. Against Dallas, yeah. Do you think, okay, Terrell Pryor absolutely droppable?
Yep.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
He got passed on the depth chart.
He sure did.
And they're using Vernon Davis about as much as Pryor in the last game anyway.
Jordan Reed, nice bounce back for him.
Okay, who would you rather have rest of the season, Rob Kelly or LeGarrette Blunt?
I'd rather have Blunt, but it's close.
I kind of feel like they're the same guy.
They're in similar situations because Blount is going to continue to lose to Smallwood
and Kelly is going to continue to lose to Thompson.
I'm going to continue to fight against the Blount losing to Smallwood narrative too.
Well, he did last night.
He has averaged 25 snaps a game.
He played 25 snaps last night. He's averaged 25 snaps a game. He played 25 snaps last
night. He's averaged 14 carries a game. He got
14 carries last night. He had a bad night.
That's good though. That's just, that's what he is.
It's the same thing as Marshawn Lynch.
The same thing as Adrian Peterson. He's just
right at that same low end number two. But Blunt's better
than those guys. Right. Yes. He's more talented,
but his workload is the same.
It didn't change last night again. But Kelly
could be better than that, though.
I think he could be.
As much as Thompson has carved out a role,
I think that's capped Kelly's upside just a little bit.
I should also mention that one of the reasons I was excited about Rob Kelly was the offensive line.
If Brandon Sheriff is out for a while, that's a really big deal.
Sure.
So let's keep that in mind.
And I'm just surprised at how available Rob Kelly is, 69% owned, I think.
And finally, to wrap this game up, man, Alshon Jeffrey is not having a good year.
He hasn't had a bye.
He's the number 27 wide receiver in standard, number 28 in PPR,
almost said Roto.
Meanwhile, Nelson Aguilar has a lot fewer targets this year than Alshon Jeffery,
but he's got five touchdowns, 19 fewer targets than Jeffery,
but Aguilar is 10th in standard, 15th in PPR.
He has fewer targets than anyone in the top 10 in standard or top 15 in PPR.
He's making the most of it.
So who would you rather have rest of season and then follow up?
How concerned are you about Alshon Jeffery?
I'm real concerned about Alshon Jeffery.
He hasn't even caught half of his targets.
He's fallen below the 50% catch rate on the season.
Hasn't scored in three straight games.
Hasn't had double-digit fantasy points in five straight games.
He's a disappointment.
And Aguilar, it might be a matter of time before he starts getting more targets than Jeffrey.
He has 12 in his last two games.
Alshon has 16.
Would you rather have Aguilar at this point?
Yes.
I would not, no.
I'm going to bet on Alshon Jeffrey having the bounce back game soon.
Who's it going to come against?
I think you're looking at a quarterback that just loves his short area targets so much
that in big money spots, he's relying on them.
It's Ertz.
It's Aguilar.
And to Dave's point, all Aguilar's needed so far this season has happened every time.
Five or more targets, double-digit fancy points.
What happens when that starts to go to seven or eight or nine or ten?
Okay, so –
And here's one more point I want to make.
Yeah, go ahead.
He's take away Aguilar's touchdowns because we could all say, well, he's touchdown dependent.
He scored in three straight.
He still outproduced Alshon in two of the last three games.
Yeah.
Alshon's always going to draw the tougher cover.
That part's true for sure.
And he got away last night without having to face Norman.
And Alshon has four targets inside the ten, whereas Aguilar has – let me just double check here.
It's just like even last night.
I'm interested in hearing this.
What is it, Adam?
Yeah, also four.
Actually, I'm surprised that Alshon Jeffrey has – well, they have about the same amount of red zone targets.
Oh, no.
Okay.
Alshon has two targets inside the 10.
There we go.
Aguilar has four.
He had a target in the end zone last night, and Wentz just missed him.
If Wentz just throws a good ball like he did most of the night,
we're not having this discussion.
Oh, no.
We definitely are having this discussion because Aguilar would have had
another touchdown still, and you're still not getting –
I mean, what did you get from – what would that have been
if he had caught that ball, like 40 yards for Alshon Jeffrey?
He had 37.
I don't know how far that –
He also drew another pass interference penalty last night.
I mean, he's getting a lot of that too.
Does that factor in his drops?
Probably not.
I'm going to guess no, but –
I don't think those count as targets.
Could they call it a drop if he gets called for OPI?
Yeah.
No.
DPI.
No.
Yeah, I think if he had caught the – if Wentz would have put that ball on target,
it would have been 50 yards and a touchdown.
Yeah, it wouldn't be great, but we wouldn't be saying what's wrong with Alshon Jeffrey.
You're asking does the drop count if it's the defender's flag?
No.
I don't think Alshon's a bad fantasy option move forward because there's still going to be some games where he's big.
Next week.
It very well could be.
But this also could be, you know, let's get Torrey Smith one against his former team.
Let's let, you know, Ertz.
It's not going to be where he's throwing four or five touchdowns every week either.
Okay.
Well, the Eagles, maybe you want to use some Eagles in your fan duel lineup next week as they will face San Francisco.
Maybe Alshon Jeffrey will be discounted.
And, well, I disappointed.
I did not win my 50-50.
I came in 60th out of 100, the top 50 cash,
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Would have moved up a few spots if Dan Bailey didn't get hurt,
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Atlanta and New England.
It was an easy win for the Patriots.
It was disappointing, obviously, for the Falcons.
And, yeah.
Okay, are you more worried about Alshon Jeffrey or Matt Ryan, just generally speaking?
Matt Ryan.
Yeah, I'm equally not that worried, just disappointed.
I feel like I can cut Matt Ryan if I'm that worried about him,
whereas I'd have a harder
time cutting Alshon
if I had the same level of worry. It's easier to find a
Ryan replacement than this. Right. I think that's
what I probably should have said. Well, I don't know anymore.
I don't think it's easy anymore
just for either guy, just because of
what we're seeing with passing games.
You can't really cut Matt Ryan, right?
Well, I guess if you have
Watson or something. Matt Ryan or right? Well, I guess if you have Watson or something.
Matt Ryan or the Jaguars DST?
Probably the Jaguars.
Just like, look at the guys we're talking about streaming this week.
They're not good, and we don't have Rodgers, we don't have Luck,
we don't have Palmer anymore.
It's just, it's ugly.
It is, but, I mean, you can make an argument that maybe rest of season,
if in fact he's the starter the rest of the way,
that Matt Moore could be better than Matt Ryan.
It's true, and that is ugly.
That is scary, but Julio Jantz had a bounce back game.
They've got two more on the road.
They've been on a three-game road trip.
Two more on the road and three of their next four are on the road,
including one at Seattle.
Yeah, the other matchups aren't bad. It's bad.
They need to just change things up.
I know Dan Quinn said it's going to be status quo,
and I don't think they have to fire Sarkeesian,
but they just need to go back to, I think, playing faster,
letting Ryan make some decisions at the line of scrimmage,
putting it more on him.
And I think that would certainly change things around a little bit
because you saw in the fourth quarter when they were playing faster
against a comeback of a bad loss.
But target Julio.
Lean on Sanu.
Lean on your running backs.
I don't know if it's an easy fix, but it certainly is fixable.
There's too much talent there.
One last thing.
I know New Orleans' defense has been much improved.
That said, like weeks 14, 15, 16, your fantasy playoffs, Saints,
Bucs, Saints.
I don't know if those
are exactly easy
matchups. The Bucs would give up a ton of fantasy points
to quarterbacks.
Where's the Bucs again? It's in
Tampa Bay? Yeah.
Saints, even if it's not a
good matchup anymore, it's not a bad matchup.
It's a nice playoff.
It's good from the standpoint of you can still get the Matt Stafford game.
You get two.
Saints defense plays well, and he still gets his numbers.
In their last five games, not counting Week 17,
you get the Bucs twice and the Saints twice.
So if you have faith in them, that's a good thing.
It's just funny, man, because there's such a good offensive line,
so many good weapons there.
I don't get it.
Could turn around.
This kind of stuff happens.
Could turn around this week against the Jets.
I mean, Jets aren't very good.
Absolutely.
Any other thoughts on this game?
I mean, we'll get into Patriots running backs later
because Deion Lewis is in the waiver wire, obviously.
Anything else on Falcons' pats?
No.
It was nice to see Julio score.
Hooray.
Oh, how dropable is Danny Amendola?
He's cuttable.
More so in standard, but yeah, he's not doing much, unfortunately.
Cut him over the Jags' DST.
Sure.
News and notes for you.
Ezekiel Elliott will play this week.
We don't know beyond, And McFadden and Morris
are on your waiver wire, so not a bad idea.
You still prefer McFadden?
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Martavis Bryant wants out.
We dropping him this week? Yep.
I actually
had a quick conversation with Heath yesterday
about this because Heath wrote a really fun
story about where
fantasy owners should want Martavis Bryant to go
if he were to get traded.
Heath Cummings?
Heath Cummings, yes.
Oh, okay.
As opposed to Heathcliff the cat.
Who also writes fantasy columns on CBSSports.com.
And one thought is that if Martavis gets traded, the trade deadline is a week from today, so Halloween.
All you got to do is carry him on your is a week from today, so Halloween.
All you got to do is carry him on your team for the next seven, eight days. And if he's traded, he's probably going to gain some value.
He'll be of interest.
If he doesn't get traded, then you cut him after eight days.
See if you can hang on to him for seven, eight days.
It's Martavis Bryant Passover.
The thought of somebody going to a new team in the middle of a season at wide receiver
and just like fitting in and getting production that's tough to do it is but when it comes to
somebody like bryant who's got one or two really good traits go deep right he knows that run deep
catch this ball he's got to be in the right situation like i i think we agree that buffalo
would be an awesome landing spot bills Bills are trying to be a
playoff contender. They've got a good defense. They've got a
good run game. We've seen Tyrod
Taylor strike deep. They've been
unloading parts to get draft picks. What are they
going to give up to get Martavis Bryant? If it's just
one draft pick, like a fifth or
sixth round pick to get Bryant. Are the Steelers
parting with Martavis Bryant for a fifth or sixth round draft
pick when he's so cheap and under control? I think if they
know they're not going to bring him back, they might as well get a pick for him.
It's a toxic situation.
Forcing their hand, maybe.
All right, moving on.
Dwayne Brown, Houston's left tackle.
He will end his holdout and report to the team.
That's excellent news.
This is a test for them.
They're at Seattle this week.
Very interested to see what happens in that game.
Minnesota safety Anderson Dejo
has been suspended for one game as they
face Cleveland. It's a good game to miss
if he doesn't win the appeal.
Marshawn Lynch had his appeal
heard. As of now, he's suspended one game
at Buffalo this week.
Fontes Burfik won't be suspended. I don't know
what he has to do. Kick the guy in the face.
Not suspended. Okay.
Carson Palmer, don't know the timetable, but I guess there's a chance he's out four to six weeks.
Still, people are going to be dropping Carson Palmer.
Chargers left guard Matt Slauson out for the season with a torn biceps.
Is this a big deal for Melvin Gordon or Philip Rivers?
Well, it's not good.
Yeah.
I wouldn't call it a big deal, though.
Okay. Saints right guard Larry Warford is going to miss a few weeks with an abdominal injury
Emmanuel Sanders could play this week
Corey Davis could be back after the bye
Delaney Walker has a bone bruise
DeMarco Murray has a bruised shoulder
Those guys should be fine after the bye week
Well I'm hoping for Walker
Definitely for Murray
And real quick guys do you expect the following players
this week? Golden Tate. No.
Kenny Galladay.
Looking that way. It's looking like
he's going to play. And I might
pick him up in all my leagues.
Take another swing at hashtag Kenny.
I mean, that's interesting because Heath was talking about this off the
air and one of the waiver wire guys
at wide receiver is Marvin Jones.
It makes a ton of sense to get him.
However, they're facing the Steelers,
who give up the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
So we'll talk about that in just a bit.
Do you expect Stephon Diggs at Cleveland?
Not as now.
Devontae Parker at Baltimore on Thursday.
Same.
They could hold Diggs out of that game.
They have a bye the week after, and then he could come back after that.
Baltimore wide receivers against the Dolphins.
Maybe Macklin has a chance.
They've said they want to play, but it's a short week.
Yeah.
We'll see.
Wallace was trying to come back into the game against the Vikings
after getting just completely annihilated,
but they made the smart decision to keep him out,
and I'm sure you can imagine he wants to play against the Dolphins.
And how about Willie Sneed?
I would imagine he's going to try and play,
but at this point he's somebody that you can't trust.
Is he actually even hurt, or is he just a healthy scratch
and they're being nice to him?
I don't know.
I would imagine he's hurt, though.
Terrence West against the Dolphins.
Probably not.
Okay.
Now, waiver-wire quarterbacks.
Let's discuss.
So Tyrod Taylor, if you could choose between Tyrod Taylor and Andy Dalton this week,
who would you go with?
Taylor.
I think Taylor.
Yeah, Taylor.
Yeah, Taylor, if he's available, 83% owned.
Oakland this week, at the Jets, home against New Orleans, at the Chargers,
at the Chiefs, home against New England.
I didn't even realize.
His schedule is incredible.
It doesn't end.
Keep going.
Colts, Dolphins, at the Patriots, and then at the Dolphins.
Tyrod Taylor has a beautiful schedule.
And now he's getting Martavis Bryant.
Well, it makes me a little more excited about Jordan Matthews.
Yeah.
That's for sure.
What about Deontay Thompson?
Maybe.
Nick O'Leary.
All right.
Dalton, though, is, of the guys who are widely available, Andy Dalton is big time number one.
He is facing Indianapolis at Homeless Week.
And we've said it so many times.
His schedule alternates between good matchup
and terrible matchup.
You could stash him. You could
use him in maybe half his games going forward.
Matt Moore,
as Jamie said earlier, Matt Moore,
good, maybe good
long-term, maybe.
We don't know if he's going to keep the job, but not so good
short-term. There was a lot of talk
locally in South Florida that this is, this gets Adam Gase out of his mess
because he couldn't bench Jay Cutler.
Yeah.
But now he may get out of having to play Jay Cutler for several weeks,
just let him rest until he's 100% and go with the guy who may be a little bit better.
Right, and I'll give the numbers that I gave on Sunday's show.
Matt Moore started four games last season.
He scored 31 fantasy points at the Jets.
This is six points per passing touchdown leagues.
19 fantasy points at the Bills.
18 fantasy points against New England.
And then 11 fantasy points in the playoffs at Pittsburgh.
And Kenny Stills and Jarvis Lange really benefited from Moore's presence.
Josh McCown, Heath likes him, facing the Falcons.
But the Falcons, no quarterback has scored more than 21 fantasy points.
Two quarterbacks have reached that number.
They were Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
So what are we hoping for?
Maybe like 17 fantasy points from McCown?
It's funny, though, Heath.
You made the point of him chasing points.
Are the Falcons going to score?
I'm still not on the boat of the Falcons' offense is just terrible now.
I think part of the reason they haven't given up that many points to quarterbacks
is because they haven't scored that many points and forced quarterbacks to throw.
I think that's different this week.
Trevor Simien.
I hope you're right.
But, I mean, think about it, though.
They faced the Dolphins that have given up a lot of production to quarterbacks.
Certainly they gave up to Josh McCown last week.
That's it, though.
I mean, they've been good against quarterbacks.
Okay, but they didn't allow Ryan to do anything.
And the Patriots, I mean, that's as forgiving a matchup as you can find.
Yep.
And he stunk there, too.
Blame the fog.
Well, he was bad before the fog.
He actually was better when the fog came in.
We got Trevor Simeon, who is facing Kansas City.
And we know Kansas City, they allow the fifth most points to quarterbacks.
Case Keenum at Cleveland.
Everybody but Mariota does well against Cleveland.
And Teddy Bridgewater if you just want to stash somebody.
So who would you guys rather have, Simeon or Keenum,
if it came down to that?
Keenum.
Definitely Keenum for this week.
Simeon if I'm in a twoQB league and both these guys are available.
I'll take Simeon because I just wonder if the Vikings are just going to do what they did last week.
Run, play defense, and go home.
All right, you can drop Carson Palmer, Andrew Luck, and Jared Goff.
Jamie, I added Eli Manning to the drop list.
I hope that's okay.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's obvious at this point, so that's why I didn't include it.
I mean, he's only 54% owned and going to his bye.
He should be like 4% owned.
Running backs.
Okay, we'll spend some time on this group.
So these are the shallow league guys.
These are the guys that are owned in more than 65% of leagues.
Marlon Mack, who, Dave, you seem pretty excited about.
We'll come back to that in a second.
James White just scored his first touchdown of the season.
Jamie, you were all over that.
Great matchup.
Falcons can't cover pass-catching running backs.
Chargers can.
Chargers, they've allowed more than 27 receiving yards only once.
That was Wendell Smallwood, who had 45 yards.
No touchdowns to running backs in the passing game.
So that's James White, 79% owned.
Rob Kelly, 69% owned, facing Dallas.
Then he's got two tough matchups.
And Orleans Darkwa, who's on a bye this week, comes back and gets the Rams,
who have been playing better.
But Mack, White, Kelly, Darkwa.
Dave, does Mack stand out in that group of Mack, James White, Kelly, and Darkwa?
Yes, because I'm thinking more long-term,
and I'm thinking that the Colts are going to have nothing to lose at some point here,
and they're just going to continue to give him snaps.
His first four games, 17 snaps, 12 snaps, 18 snaps, 14 snaps.
Robert Turbin gets hurt.
You think maybe, well, Frank Gore is going to get more of an opportunity to play passing downs.
Maybe they trust him at the goal line.
They didn't really get close to the goal line that much.
Mack played 33 snaps of offense.
You can say what you want about it being a blowout,
and maybe they wanted to get him experience and just get him some reps in the game.
But Gore's playing time rose by one snap from the week before.
And I think Mack's got a real opportunity to continue to gain playing time.
Gore's playing time the last two weeks, 45 total snaps.
He had 42 snaps in Week 5.
I love the upside of Marlon Mack and his big playability.
My concern is I don't think he wins the starting job this week.
And so if we're looking a couple weeks down the line,
I think their schedule when you get to the fantasy playoffs is pretty awful.
Seattle-Houston and then at San Francisco in Week 16.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think to Dave's point, you're just picking him up based on speculation.
You may need to start him this week, which I don't think he's a bad flex.
Right.
But he's going to play as much if not more than Frank Gore moving forward,
and he's certainly going to have an opportunity to prove himself.
Hold on.
His schedule isn't what I said it was.
Yeah, okay.
I was like, I threw up.
Indianapolis is at Jacksonville, at Buffalo, Denver at home,
and then at Baltimore.
That does suck.
That is a bad playoff schedule.
So I think, you know, you don't have to –
I think with a lot of these guys for this particular week, you know, again,
circumstances may be different.
You may have to play guys like Smallwood or Doxon or Marlon Mack
or any of these guys that don't necessarily have full-time roles locked up.
But they're definitely worth speculating on because the upside could be immense
if they do start to get full-time workloads.
And Mack, it's funny because he had nine total touches last week, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes.
The two games where he's had big fantasy days have been exactly 10.
So all he needs, you know, I know he laughs at me every time I say this.
I'm just giving him one more carry.
It really is, though.
It's just, you know, you look at numbers.
Aguilar, every time five or more targets, double digit fancy points.
He's had four.
So I just want to know if it'd been like the fourth quarter of that game and you saw he
had nine targets or nine touches,
and I guaranteed you a touch on the next player,
are you betting on a touchdown?
No, I'm betting on enough yards.
Like 30 yards.
30-yard run.
Yeah, in the bank.
All right, so again, those names were Marlon Mack, James White,
Rob Kelly, and Orleans Darkwa.
Why does Tyrod Taylor only score 21 at home?
Yeah, that's weird.
Now the other guys that are owning less than 65%
of leagues, Wendell Smallwood.
Would you rather have Smallwood or Blunt rest of season?
Blunt. Still Blunt.
Okay. For now.
How is Deion Lewis not...
Deion Lewis should be at the top of the list.
For how long?
Are you sure he's going to be that guy?
Yeah, kind of.
They've got four different running backs. And he out-carried For how long? Okay. Are you sure he's going to be that guy? Yeah, kind of. I mean, why wouldn't he?
They've got four different running backs. And he out-carried all of them by a lot.
By a lot?
Maybe not by a lot.
It's just so volatile.
And he's injury-prone.
Here's the problem.
So they had first and goal from the nine, right?
Lewis gets a carry, gets to the five.
Lewis gets a carry, gets to the one. Lewis gets a carry, gets to the one.
Gilleslie comes in, gets stuffed.
Also, Lewis, who averaged five catches per game two years ago,
gets one catch a game.
So that's annoying.
What did he have this past week?
One catch.
He has double-digit touches each of the past two weeks at him.
How confident do you feel that he'll have double-digit touches
in more than half of their games?
Very confident.
Very.
Very confident.
Supremely confident.
Look, I'm not trying to brag.
I didn't say it on the air, unfortunately.
I had a feeling that he was going to take over the role.
I think he's better than Gillis.
I think that Deion Lewis is a very good player.
I'm not doubting that Deion Lewis is a good player.
I'm doubting your or anyone else's ability to predict what Bill Belichick is going to do.
He obviously took over.
To me, he took over for Gillisley.
They're starting.
Gillisley is purely short yardage, maybe a little bit more than that.
Clock killer.
So Deion Lewis to score a touchdown.
That's going to be tough.
He's not going to get those goal line touches, right?
Well, he's got two in the last three weeks.
I mean, I think you look at Lewis.
At the goal line?
He had one.
Inside the 10 is fine.
He had one two weeks ago.
He didn't have one this week, did he?
No, because Gillisley came in.
Yes, he has scored.
They were short year touchdowns.
They were short, but it wasn't at the goal line.
One was eight yards out.
Let me pull back from what I said because I am excited about him, but also he might not get goal line carries and he doesn't get catch passes.
So you need him to score a five-yard touchdown, and that could be tough.
I guess I just don't see anyone that I love.
I think the thing is, and this isn't exciting, who's the most likely to get you seven fantasy points on a weekly basis of the Patriots back go?
Standardly. He did have a one-yard touchdown two weeks ago't exciting, who's the most likely to get you seven fantasy points on a weekly basis of the Patriots backfield? Standard League.
He did have a one-yard touchdown two weeks ago.
Yes.
That's right.
Right now, I would say Deion Lewis in the Standard League.
Deion Lewis.
Look, Gillisley had his chance.
We could criticize Belichick all we want, but sometimes he does stick with guys.
Gillisley had his chance.
He blew it.
Lewis is taking it over, I think.
I hope.
You have to add him.
He should be 90% owned because, again, Isaiah Crowell is at 90%.
Lewis is at 52%.
Who would you rather have right now?
Lewis, of course.
Jonathan Stewart is at 89%.
Who would you rather have?
Lewis.
That's hard because you've got to account for the people.
If they've got Isaiah Crowell and Jonathan Stewart, they've already quit.
So that ownership is just going to stay there.
No, but I mean, if you have him, those guys as your third running back, your fourth running back,
again, we were telling people to draft Isaiah Crowell in the third round,
and depending on when you draft him, you may have got Kareem Hunt in the seventh round.
Right.
So you're still okay.
Well, the other half of this, Jamie, is that the Chargers, like I said,
they give up five yards per carry.
If the Raiders and the Broncos would have stuck to the run,
they might have given up more fantasy points to running backs.
But stop with what you said right there.
How often do the Patriots stick to the run?
Give them 15 carries.
That would be more than Lynch and C.J. Anderson had in the last two games
that the Chargers fixed.
I mean, yeah, 13.
It's not like he's off.
He had 14 touches.
So he's playing more snaps. He led the Chargers have faced. I mean, he had 13. He had 13. He had 14 touches. So he's playing more snaps.
He led the backfield in snaps.
The only other guy that was close to him was James White.
He almost doubled Gillislee and Burkhead.
But just to play devil's advocate, if Gillislee breaks off a long run,
if Burkhead breaks off a long run,
they're going to get more opportunities in the game.
You could be looking at an eight-carry game for Lewis.
It's just hard to trust with any semblance of confidence.
I get it.
He should be added without question, but you don't have to start him.
Now, so it's small with Deion Lewis.
Maybe Alex Collins is the guy I should be making the case for.
I know he had a bad game, but that was at Minnesota.
Not a huge surprise.
Collins is kind of similar to Deion Lewis in terms of the amount of carries
and the amount of catches they get, right?
Yeah, I mean, Lewis certainly gets a few more catches, but the thing is that Lewis is still
being used in red zone opportunities.
That would be goal line opportunities.
He's being used in red zone opportunities.
Alex Collison, we haven't seen that very much yet.
And that's a bad offensive line.
It's an interesting matchup against Miami.
They've actually given up a touchdown to every—they've given up a rushing touchdown in all three
road games that
they've played so far this year and you figure he's the type of guy in a short week that could
take advantage of the situation so i don't think it's a bad idea to take a look at him for this
particular week and certainly to stash him moving forward but it it does feel like every week we're
saying the same thing the ravens need to give more work he's the most talented guy stash him on your
roster and then he doesn't give you anything of significance.
Right. Okay, so the list...
He's behind Smallwood
for me. He's behind Lewis. He's behind
the Raiders guys for this week, just because you don't know
what's going to happen. And certainly Marshawn Lynch,
who knows how good he'll be moving forward.
And Latavius Murray.
But he's there. Okay.
So the list for Jamie of
the 65% owned or fewer is Smallwood, Lewis, Latavious, Jalen Richard, DeAndre Washington.
No, it's case specific.
I like Washington better in standard.
I like Richard better in PPR.
Okay.
Alex Collins, Matt Forte, Thomas Rawls, and then the Cowboys guys as stashes.
Do you like Forte better than – where is Forte in this list in PPR?
Because obviously he's better at PPR.
He would be third.
Behind Smallwood?
Behind Smallwood and Lewis.
Ahead of Murray.
Yeah, I think he'd be number one if you're just desperate for a running back this week.
Yeah, for one week, I certainly could get behind that.
Although I do think that Smallwood is going to have a big day against the Fortes.
Right.
Fortes got that matchup against a team that can't guard past catching running backs, the Falcons.
That makes some sense.
Anything else you want to say about this? I have him as number two running back this week.
Dave, you like the old statement or not. That's even in non back this week. Dave, you like him? I think I do too.
That's even in non-PPR.
Yeah, he's number three for me, but close.
Dave, you like Latavius a lot?
I think he's got a decent chance to score and grind out a bunch of carries.
But based on what, though?
The Browns have been so good against him. The Browns have been good against him, but their offense is terrible.
I like Murray a lot more for rest of the season than I do for this week.
Agree. I like Murray a lot more for rest of season than I do for this week. I agree. I think it was just two or three weeks ago that we thought, well, Latavius is going to get most of the work,
and maybe McKinnon will be a thing in PPR.
And then McKinnon had a huge game in that very first game.
Yeah.
But I think there's a chance McKinnon can go right back.
I think it's a 50-50 split right now.
We'll see who wins it.
McKinnon played more snaps.
McKinnon.
It was almost even, though, right? By two. Right. Yeah, it's a 50-50 split right now. We'll see who wins it. McKinnon played more snaps. McKinnon. It was almost even, though, right?
By two.
Right.
So almost even.
But Murray had a great game.
I mean, you know.
I'm not expecting 100 yards from Latavius Murray ever again.
Like, that stunned me.
Let's go to wide receivers and talk about a pretty interesting group.
Because the shallower leagues, you've got Ted Ginn.
You've got Marvin Jones.
You've got Sterling Shepard, who's on a bye, and Jermaine Curse, who's got Atlanta.
They've been pretty good against...
Actually, their past events have been really good, Atlanta's.
Ted Ginn, Marvin Jones, Sterling Shepard, Jermaine Curse.
That's how Jamie ranks it.
Heath, Dave, any disagreements here?
And how much do you like Ted Ginn this week against the Bears?
I think I like Ted Ginn based on what his workload has been.
Now he's kind of becoming the number two receiver in New Orleans.
If you make a case, maybe he's number one.
That's why I kind of hesitated to say number two because the past couple of weeks he's been really, really good.
The most incredible part of this whole thing, he's got 27 targets this season.
He's got 22 of them.
He hasn't missed a target in three straight games.
That's unbelievable.
Well, that's something that the coaching staff is probably going to notice.
Is he a must-own, Ted, again?
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Yeah?
All right.
Probably should have led the show with that.
He's 67% owned.
And then, yeah, Marvin Jones, what do you do?
Because brutal matchup against the Steelers, but Golden Tate not going to play most likely.
What do you think?
I think Marvin Jones is close to a must-own as well.
I don't understand why he's 69% owned with this situation.
Even if you don't use him this week, next week at Green Bay and then Cleveland.
Okay, then let's go to the wide receivers who are owned in 65% of leagues or less.
Josh Doxson, Juju Smith-Schuster, Kenny Stills, Muhammad Sanu.
That's the top four.
Doxson, Smith-Schuster, Stills, and Sanu.
Jamie, you want to comment?
I mean, Doxton played almost 85% of the snaps.
And they want to get him even more involved.
Yeah.
Gruden was talking him up after the game.
And he scored in two of his last four.
He had another red zone target.
The first red zone target of the game for the Redskins went to him.
It was on a sideline route where Cousins threw a bad pass.
I don't know if he would have scored if he caught it, but you see where he's going.
I mean, Terrell Pryor was nonexistent until the fourth quarter of that game.
So it's just very – I think he's the type of guy that you want to put on your
roster that could win you some leagues down the road.
This isn't you saying that Doxon is like a guy to grab and start right away
because he's going to be amazing.
Because the one issue I see is Washington has found that spreading the ball around
wins for them.
And so I don't know how many games Doxon will have more than five targets.
So is there anyone you like better than him long term?
Do you like Smith-Schuster or Kenny Stills better long term?
No, he's the best long term guy of that group.
Because of the upside situation, yes, I would agree.
I might – there's no evidence for this, but I might take Corey Davis rest of season over at Oxen.
He's in that same conversation for sure.
I still believe in his talent.
Right, and not to mention mariotta's
talent the fact that there's a bye week for both of them to rest up and get healthy and that run
game hasn't been what we expected yeah so they're gonna have to start throwing more if that doesn't
get fixed what about jordan matthews long term oh jordan matthews his schedule is amazing yeah but
he had a great matchup this week.
Well, he's coming back from three targets.
The bigger problem might be, like, we talk about how amazing the schedule is.
After this week, the Jets are an amazing run matchup.
The Saints are an amazing run matchup.
The Chargers are an amazing run matchup.
Their defense is playing pretty well, despite what happened against Tampa Bay.
Even with those great matchups,
I'm not sure there's huge volume there for any
receivers. And Charles Clay will be back
at some point, which would hurt Jordan
Matthews in theory. So other guys,
if you don't want Doxson or Smith-Schuster
or Stills or Sanu,
there's Robbie Anderson,
there's Jordan Matthews, there's Kenny Galladay,
Corey Davis, and then if you just need someone this week, maybe Chris Moore,
who had eight targets and a touchdown at Minnesota.
He's a Ravens wide receiver.
We've talked about it.
Macklin and Wallace, they both might be out facing the Dolphins.
Chris Moore is a nice sleeper for you.
But, yeah, mostly we're looking at long-term options here.
But Kenny Stills, I mean, 11, 9, 10, and 8 fantasy points in standard scoring leagues
in four games last year with Matt Moore.
And he had two touchdowns with Matt Moore just Sunday, just two days ago.
So Stills is very interesting.
Yeah, and if Parker's out, I think Stills is a good number two receiver.
Any interest in a Chargers wide receiver this week at New England?
You mean besides Keenan Allen?
Yeah.
They're just dart throws.
Right.
That's Benjamin's definition.
Yeah, Benjamin's a dart throw.
Tyrell Williams might get a red zone target.
Mike Williams might get a red zone target.
It's Allen, it's Henry, and Gordon.
Those are the three main passing options for Rivers.
Okay, guys, so we're about out of time.
Let's do tight ends and defense here.
Tight ends in the shallower leagues, Hunter Henry and Jason Witten.
And then in the deeper leagues, and we have talked about these guys,
but Tyler Croft, Nick O'Leary, Ben Watson.
Let's stop there because then Greg Olson is next on Jamie's list as a stash.
Croft, O'Leary, Watson.
Heath likes A.J. Derby.
Yeah, Jamie, anything you want to say about those guys?
Croft, O'Leary, Watson?
No, Croft, good matchup.
Like Dave said when we talked about him earlier,
targets have been there for him recently.
As Heath alluded to with Nick O'Leary,
don't give up on him just because he only had
the two targets and two catches for 58 yards.
I still think you're going to see him get more involved,
and this is a better matchup than he had last week
because Oakland's been worse against tight ends.
And Watson just may be desperately, desperately needed
because of all those injuries to the Ravens' wide receiver core.
And while he has not been a good fantasy tight end lately,
13 targets in his last two games, 11 catches, 66 yards.
If he scores in any of those, it's basically a safarian Jenkins.
Yeah, I'd put Watson number one in PPR if you're looking for a streamer this week.
Is there a reason why we're not talking O.J. Howard?
I just think that was fluky. I don't expect that to happen again. So he's at the very,
very bottom of this list. I would rather have Vernon Davis than him. I'd rather have Jack
Doyle than him. I'd rather have the other guys we mentioned.
I'm wondering if that performance is going to earn him even more playing time.
It might, but even as good as he played, and again, you look at the catches and yards,
fourth in terms of targets, behind Evans, behind Jackson, behind Brait.
I don't know if we're going to see a game like that where they're all producing.
And Jackson was a couple catches away from a big, big day.
So Brait had still a chance to catch a touchdown.
I just don't see it sustainable
after what we've seen it might not be sustainable but i think i'd speculate on him it well streaming
tight ends maybe i take the chance on starting them i think but i think there's something we
know he's a talented guy yes the key distinction you made there for me if if i have a starting
tight end and this is just a deep league and somehow oj howard's not owned session i'd much
rather have oj howard on my bench to see if he turns into something
than any of the guys we've talked about.
Sure, then O'Leary, then Croft.
But if I have to start somebody this week,
I'd much rather start all those guys over Howard.
100%.
And then finally, the DSTs.
We've got the Bengals, who we like a lot, the Dolphins, the Bills, and the Saints.
Those are the four that we highlighted earlier. The Bengals, the Dolphins, the Bills, and the Saints. Those are the four that we highlighted earlier. The Bengals,
the Dolphins, the Bills,
and the Saints. Any
interest in the Falcons at the Jets?
They almost made the cut for me.
Yeah, I...
Again, it's one of those things
where it's just... It's more
what we thought was going to happen than the evidence
we've seen, but I think there's still some big playability
on that defense.
Any interest in the Bucs against the Panthers?
No.
How about the Eagles?
73%. Surprisingly not a great fantasy DST,
but they're facing the 49ers.
Yeah.
Eagles or Bengals this week?
Bengals, but the Eagles are right behind them for me.
All right, guys.
Thank you.
Very good show.
Tomorrow we'll try to read some emails.
FantasyFootball at CBSi.com.
And we will do some trade talk,
get you ready for the Thursday night game.
That's Baltimore and Miami.
Can't wait.
For Jamie, for Heath, for Dave, I'm Adam.
We'll see you later.
Bye. I've got Le'Veon Bell.