Fantasy Football Today - 10/30 BONUS: Trade Deadline Edition (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 30, 2018

DeMaryius Thomas, Golden Tate, Ty Montgomery and a couple of defensive players are on the move! Who are the big winners and big losers? Is Courtland Sutton now better than Tate rest of season? Does Montgomery have a role in BAL? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Trade deadline fireworks! We've got some big trades, we've got to talk about it and help you set your waiver claims now on this Tuesday. So here we go. Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath. Who's the biggest winner from the trade deadline? The deadline itself or just today? Just today. The Bears defense because Nathan Peterman is starting.

That had nothing to do with any trade. He said that's why I asked. Well, but... It's a tie between Kenny Galladay and Marvin Jones. It's the biggest win for Corlin Sutton. Carson Wentz. Definitely Aaron Jones. No question about it.

Nuh-uh, really? Aaron Jones? Aaron Jones gets a big win, yeah. A big win? You're talking about a guy who had like four touches a game at Ty Montgomery. Yeah, where did those four touches go? Yeah. How many carries a game did he get?

He got two last week. Yeah, four or five. All right, fine. It's a win. It's a win. Good stuff. Yeah, I like it. Here's an email from Brian.

PBR League. Now that Demarius Thomas got traded to Houston, do I hold on to him or do I drop him for Cortland Sutton? If that's the only guy you could drop, I'd drop him for Sutton. I'm really struggling with the value of all of these receivers that have been traded to different teams because we don't have a lot of historical evidence for this type of thing. And it is a lot to ask to learn the new offense, to build rapport with the new quarterback,

and to carve out your place in the offense. So I have Thomas ranked higher, um, rest of season, but there's a lot of upside to side. Let's go trade by trade and we'll get to, we got a Wednesday show.

Obviously we'll kind of recap our thoughts on Wednesday and we'll talk about, uh, Ben Roethlisberger's broken left index finger, AJ Green's toe injury, CJ Beathard's status. Which finger did he break? Was it this one? I think that's the wrong hand. Wrong hand.

It wasn't that one. No, no, no. Not both of them. Only one finger. Yes, yes. He's a little upset because Halloween is right around the corner. Houston getting Demarius Thomas from Denver for a fourth round. Wait, do you see what we dress up as on FFT tomorrow? Oh, is that happening? Of course.

Oh, excellent, excellent. We're going to dress up like animates or none of us are going to shave or brush our hair. Or teeth. Houston acquired Demarius Thomas. So let's go one by one. Deshaun Watson, how much of a boost? Stays where he is. I think it's a slight boost post losing Will Fuller.

Yes. It's not a boost for what he's been so far, though. Okay, fair. Kiki QT, do we still want to add him? Yes, but not to the same level as before. I'd only get him in Ppr leagues and even then it's kind of underwhelming so if sutton and qt are out there it's obviously sutton right sutton is the number one most added player you should be going to get right now

how confident are you in corlin sutton highly on themeter, I'm going to give it a 6 out of 10 on a breakout. Those are two meters you mixed in there. Do we think Corlin Sutton is going to be better than Demarius Thomas was? Yes. He should be. Yeah. He should at least be a touchdown-dependent receiver, but he's got explosiveness that Demarius hasn't had for years.

And now he's going to theoretically step into that role. That's seven targets a week. His catch rate sucks. It's below 50% so far, but a lot of those throws have been deep balls that he's not necessarily going to have to get. When you average 19 yards per reception, you're not generally going to have a very good catch rate. Right.

But now he's going to be asked to catch more passes that aren't 20-plus yards downfield, and that'll help him out. It'll lower his yards per catch, but it'll help his catch rate. It'll make him more productive. Yeah, I would take him over Thomas the rest of the way. Would you rather have Larry Fitzgerald or Corlin Sutton? Fitzgerald. Sutton, non-PPR, Fitzgerald, PPR. Agreed.

Is there any change in rest-of-season value for DeAndre Hopkins or Emmanuel Sanders? No. I think it's a slight boost to Sanders, but not a huge one. I actually ticked him down one in the trade chart, Sanders. Hopkins, nothing. No consensus at all. No, but it's so minor. I just think defense will key on him a little bit more until Sutton breaks through.

There's another receiver that if you're in a dynasty league, you can take a look at in Denver. His name is Tim Patrick. Well, Dashaun Hamilton is the guy you want to take a look at. Yeah, but he hasn't been playing. Patrick has been. Last couple of years. Sure, but he's already owned probably in dynasty leagues. Patrick might not be.

Okay, so what about Demarius Thomas himself? Demarius Thomas right now is the number 36 wide receiver in non-PPR, number 31 in PPR, and he has not had his bye. So on a per-game basis, it's not quite that. But one game with more than 63 yards, he goes from a team that is 20th in passing yards per game to a team that's 18th in passing yards per game. So not really a huge difference there.

But Keenum does throw the ball more than Watson has been throwing, just not as well. So, yeah, it's Demarius Thomas. I'm not even sure if I asked this yet, but value up, down, or the same for Demarius. Slightly up for me. Right. I think he might get 10 more yards per game. And more importantly, he won't see some of his targets get siphoned off to Cortland Sutton, which is what I've been happening. But if QT comes back, it may be a similar situation.

Could be. I think it's a slight bump up overall. It greatly widens the range of possibilities. Also, it's pretty cool that he's playing Denver this week. That's fun. Hopefully he plays. Don't know for sure, but I assume at this point he will be able to. And yeah, it is kind of a trial run this season. Because you could

look at Calvin Benjamin last year. He got traded and didn't really do much with the Bills. But it's a much different situation than Thomas. It's a much different situation than Golden Tate. Not as much of an opportunity. But, yeah, you don't see trades midseason in the NFL that much. It's not that easy to just go into a new system.

This is a new era of the NFL. This is really exciting. So let's go to, I think, an even more exciting trade, Philadelphia getting Golden Tate. I'm pumped about this. I am super pumped about this. Third-round pick for Golden Tate. He is so much better than Nelson Aguilar. And they're on a buy, so they get a week to integrate him into the system. His second buy.

His second buy, yeah. That's interesting. Will Golden Tate be more impactful than Amari Cooper? Will this be the big trade deadline deal for his value yeah yeah for the guy no this hurts his value you think so yes he's maybe the biggest loser of the day absolutely really yeah i mean he goes for from a team where he was the number one guy in terms of targets to potentially third at best. Okay, but there was a three-headed monster there in Detroit, and Wentz is throwing 37.5 pass attempts per game.

Stafford threw 40 attempts last week, but before that he was pretty low, 30 or fewer. Wentz is completing 71% of his passes almost. He's playing out of his mind. I mean, I guess I could see where you're coming from. I don't think he's somebody you're cutting or benching outright, but in terms of where he is coming from, I don't

think it's like a, oh my god, he's awful. But he loses if you're just talking about from which side of this he comes out on. The thing is, I don't think Aguilar and Jordan Matthews have no fantasy relevance, but I don't think they completely disappear from the offense. One guy will.

Yes, and Tate was getting 27-28% of the targets in Detroit. Those two over the last four weeks have accounted for 25% combined. He's not getting 100% of what they were getting and that's not including goddard right dave your thoughts on this trade yeah i'm not as doom and gloom on it as as jamie and heath are but i do think it's a little step down for golden tate

whereas he was getting 10 targets and eight catches a game and that might be a little too aggressive in detroit i think it's going to go down to maybe eight targets and six to seven catches per game in Philadelphia. The one thing that I really like about this for Tate is that he's going from a team that finally solved its running back riddle and started to phase out just how much they used Tate last week notwithstanding because he did have 12 targets they were playing from behind. And now he's going to a team that has a tough running back situation.

Philadelphia didn't address it at the deadline. They're stuck with Smallwood, Clement, Sproles, and Adams mixing and matching, and Tate's going to be an extension of that run game. He can also do a little bit as far as stretching the field, and that's the one thing that's been missing all along in Philadelphia's offense. They need somebody that can make plays downfield and i think golden tate's going to be dispatched that way five times a game not necessarily targeted that's the case you're saying he's playing outside then more so than inside he could end up playing inside and outside and that hurts him a little bit about in detroit how does that hurt him because he's better

suited as a slot guy than an outside guy he is is, but I don't think that necessarily hurts him. I think it gives him a chance to get some targets and quality targets at that, running routes that he wasn't necessarily doing as much of. I don't have the data in front of me for how many deep routes per game he was running or how often he was lining up outside. I think he's going to end up spending most of his time in the slot, but some of those routes will be deep routes. the other thing is it's a loss if only because he has a bye this week when he was going to play, and next week in his very first game with the Eagles you have the uncertainty, whereas you knew what he was in Detroit. That's fair, too.

That's true. Yeah, he was on pace for 100 catches. Yeah, he's not going to get that now. And his value did go down in the trade chart. And just to go full circle here, Jamie said it best. You're not going to cut Golden Tate. I don't think you necessarily...

Well, you can't this week. In PPR, you will. In non-PPR, no. He was borderline starter in non-PPR anyway. He's 23rd in non-PPR. He's 16th in PPR. Go ahead, Dave. I think you should check in with whoever owns Tate in your league, and if they're unhappy with the trade, you try and get them cheap.

Carson Wentz or Deshaun Watson, rest of season? Wentz. Wentz. I think that's what I'm most excited about. I'm excited that Wentz gets another weapon because I really don't think – He might finally be a top five quarterback again. Yeah, well, I wonder where he is in the last five weeks. He's got to be right there.

I bet he's pretty close, yeah. Even though he has not finished higher than eighth, I don't believe, even last week. He's done it consistently every week. He's been top 12. I mean, he's no Trubisky, but he's right there. No bad games. Yeah, and honestly, I know you think he's third now,

but is it possible that Golden Tate is better than Alshon Jeffrey? Absolutely. It's the unknown. Go back to what we said when Carlos Hyde was traded. Is Hyde better than Fournette? Is Hyde better than Yeldon? Until you see it, you don't know. Yeah.

That one will come down to just how quickly Tate assimilates into the offense and how well he does what the coaches ask him to do. Looks like Carson Wentz is the number six quarterback since returning on a per-game basis. And I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I would still put Tate ahead of the three receivers that have been traded. I'd put him ahead of Thomas, and I'd put him ahead of Cooper. Would you put him ahead of Galladay or Marvin Jones? No.

No. All right, let's talk about them. Big winners. Boom. Yeah, how about this? Tough week this week though, but big winners. If Rhodes plays. Kenny Galladay has five games with five or more targets and he's been great in

four of them and he had seven fantasy points in non-PPR, 11 in PPR in the other one. So he's been good in one, great in four. Marvin Jones, kind of up and down. He's had also five games with six or more targets. He scored five, 11, 12, five, and 23 fantasy points in non-PPR. You know he's not a huge catch guy. But, yeah, big opportunity.

So you'd rather have – I knew you were going to take Galladay over Golden Tate, but you'd rather have Marvin Jones over Golden Tate? Yes. Okay. I don't think I'm there in PPR. Where does Cortland Sutton rank amongst the Detroit guys and Golden Tate? I think behind all of them. He's right there with Tate.

He's behind the Detroit guys. I would take him ahead of Tate and maybe not in PPR, but in non-PPR, I'd take him ahead of Tate and I'd take him ahead of Thomas in both. See, that's really interesting because Cortland Sutton really hasn't proven anything. He's made some plays. He's made some plays, but so has Golden Tate, obviously. And Golden Tate's got four straight 90-catch seasons. Cortland Sutton's a rookie who's got Case Keenum as his quarterback. It's just all about opportunity. Yeah.

All right. And then finally, Ty Montgomery to the Ravens. Is there a big impact here? All right. Now we're getting to the big trade of the day. I like it. I don't think there's much here because what are the Ravens expecting? They gave up a seventh- round pick in 2020 for him

I think whatever he can do to help their run game out They'll be happy with But I don't think it's going to be a big role And it's great in Green Bay because we got one less Rat out of the Rat race Okay It's bad for Collins and Javorzown

Potentially It makes me nervous about them for sure It changes, like Jones is now a surefire Number 2 running back for me Bradford, Collins, and Javor Salmon. I don't – Potentially. It makes me nervous about them for sure. It changes – like Jones is now a surefire number two running back for me. And Williams gets a boost because he may be the one that plays on passing downs. Yeah. Okay. Jamal Williams will be available on your waiver wire.

Would you rather pick up – According to some sites, so will Aaron Jones. Please. Jamal Williams or Josh Adams? That's a good one. I think just given the fact that they didn't make a move at the deadline kind of tells you what they think of Adams. Okay, so you go Adams. And Washington acquired safety Ha Ha Clint Dix from the Packers for a fourth-round pick. Their defense is nasty.

That's a good move. It's a great move. It's a stupid move from the Packers' standpoint. Great for anyone facing the Packers. And the Rams acquired defensive end Dante Fowler from Jacksonville. Another great move. It's probably somebody you get IDP. All right, guys, thank you.

Thank you for 15 fun minutes. You sure? We're done? There was the other trade. Oh, what trade? It was the – got to go back. I missed that. I must have missed that trade. Since I forgot to ask, JB can hop back on.

Alex Collins or Aaron Jones, rest of the season? Jones. It was that way before the trade. It was that way before that. I just wanted to ask. It might be Jamal Williams over Alex Collins, rest of the way. Oh, well, I think that the Ravens just want Ty Montgomery to return kicks. That's my hot take there.

LOL. Aaron Rodgers wins and loses on the same day. Why? I can't imagine he's happy that they got rid of one of their better defensive players. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm sorry that I made Jamie talk after the gotta go bye. Wait, wait, wait. There's the other trade.

What was that? The second one. What a busy deadline. Bye, Jamie. Dave, play us out.