Fantasy Football Today - 11/01 Fantasy Football Podcast: Kelvin, Legitometer, Fantasy Feud!
Episode Date: November 1, 2017Fun show for you today as we give you our favorite buy low (1:56) and sell high candidates (2:50). Find out why Heath loves Doug Martin going forward and what Jamey would be looking for if he sold Wil...l Fuller ... Discussing the Fantasy impact of the Kelvin Benjamin trade (9:54). Devin Funchess or Benjamin rest of season? Cam Newton or Tyrod Taylor? Also, Adam is disgusted by a popular Halloween candy (20:30), we preview BUF-NYJ (30:36) and we deploy the Legitometer on Alex Smith (36:42), Marvin Jones (39:30), Aaron Jones (47:01), Jerick McKinnon (48:30) and many more ... Let's play Fantasy Feud (49:08)! Jamey and Heath go head-to-head! ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Plenty of trade talk on today's episode of Fantasy Football Today.
Look, all the NFL teams are making trades.
The fantasy owners should be doing the same
thing. Welcome everybody to the
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Favorite, buy low and sell high candidates.
Let me tell everybody what's coming up on today's show.
Kelvin Benjamin was traded.
We will talk about that in just a moment.
I want to revisit the JHI thing since you guys were reacting about five minutes after the news broke.
I want to talk about how bad a particular candy bar is that people wanted in the candy draft.
It will never be in my candy draft.
It's a terrible candy bar.
Legit-O-Meter is coming out.
And, yeah.
Oh, Buffalo and the Jets.
Can't forget.
B-B-B-Buffalo and the – yeah.
We could work on that.
I almost did that same thing.
Yeah.
So good work.
It's just natural.
All right.
Give me your – Heath, how about you?
Your favorite buy low candidate.
Doug Muscle Hamster – or don't call me Muscle Hamster.
Martin.
Okay. Is my favorite buy low candidate.
The schedule is really getting ready to turn nice for him.
New Orleans, the Jets, we'll see about the Dolphins, I'm not sure.
The Falcons, Green Bay, Detroit, the Falcons again.
Love his schedule, love his volume.
Go get you some Doug Martin.
Jamie, your favorite Bilo candidate?
Drew Brees.
Not the guy we expected, but I
don't think that's necessarily his fault. I think the team has
been better than advertised.
He is still going to be
top five quarterback, rest of the way.
I like it.
He's got Tampa Bay this week. Should be a good week to get things going. A lot of the way. Okay. I like it. Yeah, he's got Tampa Bay this week.
Should be a good week to get things going and a lot of home games coming up.
No reason to elaborate.
Let's go on to the sell-high candidates.
Jamie, your favorite sell-high candidate.
I think it's along the lines of guys you have to get great value in return for,
but it's just very difficult to expect Will Fuller to sustain this
level of production. So if you can get a starting caliber player, and I think it's got to be top 20
at respective position, running back or wide receiver in return, top 10 quarterback, top 10
tight end in return. But that's where he's at right now. And your selling point would be Deshaun Watson has been great.
Deshaun Watson has been great ever since Will Fuller stepped back on the field.
So everybody loves Deshaun Watson right now.
That's how you should be trying to sell him.
Not that Watson would be bad without Fuller,
but I think you make the sales pitch as they go hand in hand.
Yeah, I'd like to see if I could.
I've got Will Fuller in a couple leagues.
I'm wondering if I can turn Will Fuller into Doug Martin.
I would guess you could.
I made a trade offer because I am very stacked at wide receiver in one league,
and I was looking at another team that needed some wide receiver.
It might be our podcast league.
I offered Will Fuller for Aaron Jones.
Yeah.
So I don't know if that will happen.
That's a PPR league, so not going to be Jones' better format.
That's interesting.
You have faith in Aaron Jones.
He's going to be on the Legit-O-Meter later.
I do have faith in Aaron Jones, yes.
Yeah, and actually I want to look at a bunch of guys later in the show
who were waiver wire pickups,
and maybe they are the reason you start making some trades.
Because if they are legit, for example, Juju Smith-Schuster, I know he's on a buy this week,
but if he's legit and you've got some more wide receiver depth,
you can go and trade a wide receiver for a running back or something like that.
So we will talk about that.
So Will Fuller is Jamie's sell-high candidate.
Would you rather have Will Fuller or Devontae Parker rest of the season?
I'll take Will Fuller because of the offense he plays on.
Yep.
Okay.
Would you rather have Drew Brees or Deshaun Watson?
Watson, I think.
Wow.
It's hard to say that, but, I mean, you know, look, he passed the test.
Yeah, I'll say Watson.
Wow, okay. All right Yeah, I'll say Watson. Wow, okay, all right.
And I'll say this.
This is something that I probably never would have thought I'd say
and never thought I would say coming into this season.
Watson has a worse defense than Drew Brees does
and will probably have to carry his offense a little bit more,
his team a little bit more.
I would really like the Saints to really be tested defensively because like
weeks one and two, they were pathetic against the Saints, against the Vikings
and then the Patriots.
And then since then, they've been really good.
But like, you know, the Green Bay without Aaron Rodgers, Chicago is nothing
special.
And they might get Tampa Bay without Jameis Winston.
Right.
But what was the excuse in Detroit?
No, they – oh, well, they gave up points.
That was a crazy game.
I think their defense did pretty well.
I mean they scored a bunch of points.
There was like five non-offensive touchdowns in that game.
Right.
The Lions, I think, had two of those, right?
Yes, I believe so.
They won for sure.
The Saints?
No, the Lions' defense special team.
Oh, yeah.
Or twice. Right. No, it was a wacky team. Oh, yeah. Or twice.
Right.
No, it was a wacky game.
Right.
Your fake bonanza.
Based on the jelly bellies, it was pretty damn real.
All right, Heath.
Wait a second.
Can I tell you something, though?
What?
Heath, we failed on that, by the way.
Because if you recall that Sunday night when he was questioning it, and he said initially,
I'll take it as a draw.
Right. I would draw. Right.
I would have, yeah.
And then you said, I'll post a poll on this.
Yeah.
And you got bailed out on that one.
Bailed out?
I mean like 5,000 people voted or 3,000, whatever it was, and I won.
How is that bailed out?
No, you got bailed out because you did the dignified thing to say you recognized as as a rational human being
that it really wasn't a full bonanza not full though i didn't know that we had qualifiers here
and then and then you you you did the right thing and said i'll just call it a draw
and then swayed by public opinion ah you you you got you know, chest out, ego inflated, hair fully grown out.
Oh, yeah.
In every part of your body.
That was – yeah, my hair was pretty wild back then.
All right, so who's your favorite sell-high candidate, Heath Cummings?
I have four of them.
Ooh.
Four of them.
The two Cowboys and Dolphins running backs.
All right.
Adam and trade them.
Adam and trade them.
Adam and trade them.
See what you can get out of them.
I'd like to Adam and trade them too.
Are you guys trading me?
I don't really understand what's happening right now.
Wednesday shows are the best, everybody.
What would you look for?
I guess Morris would have the most value right now.
Yes, Morris would have the most value.
I think there's a chance that you could package Morris with something not that valuable and
get somebody like Doug Martin.
Would you trade Alfred Morris and Will Fuller for Doug Martin?
I don't know that I'd give up
both. I don't know that you
have to give up that much.
Very interested to see
what happens. That Cowboys game this
week is going to be huge
for fantasy when we figure out what's really
going on with the
Cowboys backfield. Because if it is
Morris getting even 15 carries
a game,
he's not a sell-high candidate if he gets 15 carries, is he?
I think, again, the term sell-high candidate kind of applies to everybody.
Because if you were to say,
I'm trading Le'Veon Bell for Kareem Hunt and, I don't know,
Kareem Hunt and Michael Thomas. You'd take that trade, right?
Yep, yeah
I think everybody's kind of self-hypothetic
If you turn out for Morris at the Will Fuller
Would you do that right now?
Ooh, I don't know
Not if I needed a running back
Just in a vacuum
Player for player
I don't think I would
You know what you're getting It's tough, right, that's the thing Just in a vacuum Player for player I don't think I would I think I'd rather have Fuller
You know what you're getting
It's tough
Right
That's the thing
But I think Morris has
Maybe more upside
Which is crazy to say
Since Fuller's been so good
But if Morris is getting
15 carries a game
Like
First
Okay
The narrative that the
Cowboys offensive line
Isn't as good
I don't know if that's true anymore
They destroyed The Redskins They looked offensive line isn't as good, I don't know if that's true anymore.
They destroyed the Redskins.
They looked back last week. Well, they're not as good, but that's still better than most.
Yeah, but I think they might be back to being great again.
I don't know if they are what they were 2014 through 2016 because they did lose two starters and they've had some injuries.
Probably not.
But they're still – again, judging them against them,
it's like judging the 85 Bears versus the 87 Bears.
It's just not the same.
I understand.
All right.
So that can conclude our conversation about Alfred Morris.
Let's go to the big news.
Kelvin Benjamin to the Bills.
Are we going to play Thursday night?
Do we know?
It would be a big surprise.
Yeah, I doubt it.
For a guy to get traded on a Tuesday
to turn around and play on a Thursday.
Now, granted,
it could be
go red zone plays.
You know, here you're running
these three routes.
You know, he and Tyrod are throwing
all day today, all morning
tomorrow. You know, it's just
it's just possible.
But I don't know how you could necessarily start him on your fantasy team.
Okay, bummer.
Right now he is the number 26 wide receiver in standard, number 25 in PPR.
That's not where he's ranked this week.
That's what he's done so far.
Kelvin Benjamin, 26 in standard, 25th in PPR.
Devin Funchess is 33rd in standard, 29th in PPR.
He's got seven more targets than Kelvin
Benjamin. He does have one more touchdown, but not even close in the yards, and they have about
the same amount of catches. Well, who's better going forward, Kelvin Benjamin or Devin Funches
now? I think it'll be Funches. Do you? The concern I have with Kelvin Benjamin, and there's been
several people that have posted things on Twitter with the numbers on this as well,
Tyrod Taylor doesn't really throw the ball into tight spaces.
He likes to get outside, throw the ball deep.
They run a lot of schemes.
Kelvin Benjamin does not get separation.
So I don't know that they're a great combination.
Benjamin's really good at making catches in traffic.
He's a good red zone target.
He's a nice tight end.
I don't know if this is necessarily an upgrade for him,
and it's definitely an upgrade for Funches.
I really don't see much separation between these two.
You know, like somebody asked me yesterday.
They don't get much separation.
Good point. You're going to. They don't get much separation. Good point.
You're going to lose a game with Funches.
If you're just talking about where their stats are, you're going to lose a game with Funches
because of the bye week.
But you might lose a game with Benjamin because of this week.
True.
You have Olsen coming back, who should be the featured guy, if you're just talking about
in the passing game.
Kind of like the Charles Clay of the Bills.
If Charles Clay comes back anytime soon.
Right.
The one thing is, it's a very small sample size, but just based on a fantasy point per
game basis, Benjamin better in games non-Cam Newton than with Cam Newton.
Again, very small sample size, but in the game that Derek Anderson started,
Benjamin was great.
And so you just wonder if maybe Cam was part of it. Now,
the other interesting side of this, which
I just did a video show with a couple
former quarterbacks in Brady Quinn and Dan Cannell.
I don't know if any of us have said
this. Heath, I know you wrote the
trade reaction, right?
Cam's best season came with Benjamin out.
That's true.
With his ACL injury.
It feels so different, though.
It's entirely different.
I don't think Kelvin Benjamin is –
But I think that kind of speaks to where the Panthers are in making this trade is that we were at our best.
We didn't need this guy.
Yeah, but, I mean, I feel like they kind of need him.
Well, actually, I don't know.
Look, they haven't been good offensively. Cam hasn't been good this year. So I guess my next question
was going to be, who would you rather have rest of season, Tyrod Taylor or Cam Newton?
And Tyrod Taylor, when he had Sammy Watkins, he was really good last year. Okay, so last year,
Sammy Watkins and Tyrod Taylor, the last five games of the year that they played together,
he averaged 21.5 fantasy points per game.
If he had done that for 16 games, he would have been the number seven quarterback in fantasy.
Obviously, we don't think he's the number seven quarterback in fantasy, but it just shows you he's put up big numbers.
That was 21.5 fantasy points per game with Watkins.
The year before that, he averaged 24.5 per game with Watkins in the final six games when Watkins was on fire.
So we've seen stretches where Tyrod Taylor has been outstanding when he's had
a great wide receiver.
So he, you know, it just has to help him.
It can't hurt him.
So who would you rather have, Tyrod Taylor or Cam Newton?
Tyrod.
Tyrod, you know, again, you lose a game with Cam with a bye week,
so you don't have to worry about that.
Tyrod, if Charles Clay comes back and is close to what he was prior to the injury,
I think the offensive line is better in Buffalo.
I think the receiving core as a whole is better in Buffalo, including McCoy,
because we love Christian McCaffrey catching balls out of the backfield.
I mean, McCoy is the OG in that regard.
So it just sets up that – and Tyrod, over the last three years, I would guess, certainly the last two years, has run more than Cam.
Okay, so – and they have a great, great schedule.
Tyrod Taylor has one of the best schedules for the rest of the season for a quarterback.
I want to get to a lot of stuff here, so let's speed this up.
How big of a winner is Christian McCaffrey?
We saw him have about 100 yards receiving in one game without Kelvin Benjamin.
I don't think he's as big a winner as Funchess is,
because Funchess might have just been completely irrelevant in a couple of weeks when Olsen got back.
I don't think he's quite as big winner as Tyrod Taylor is,
because Tyrod Taylor has a good receiver, or a receiver now.
But he is definitely a winner.
Do you see Funchess' targets going up dramatically, though?
No, I just was worried that they were going to go down dramatically,
and he was going to be irrelevant in two weeks, three weeks. Yeah, I mean, he's been in the last, I know it's 23 targets the last three games,
so it's 40 targets over his last five.
So he's averaging eight targets a game.
But they went down last week.
He was down to six last week, yeah.
I mean, and Cam was just awful across the board.
He's not.
He appears to be a bad player or a below average player, Devin Funches.
Like 10.8 yards per catch.
And he's not supposed to be that. Like he's not Jarvis Landry. He's supposed 10.8 yards per catch. And he's not supposed to be that.
He's not Jarvis Landry. He's supposed to get more
yards per catch.
He's not Jarvis Landry, but he's also not
a speed threat. He's a tight end.
No, but neither is Calvin Benjamin. Calvin Benjamin
averaged four yards more per catch than
Devin Funches. Well, I mean, look, you're talking about
a guy that was a first-round talent compared to Funches,
who's, to Heath's point, a converted
tight end. A second-round talent?
Didn't they take him in the second round?
They did take him in the second round.
I just don't want people to get carried away with Devin Funchess.
Maybe they should.
Maybe I'm low.
I just don't know.
He's a low-end number two wide receiver.
Yeah.
I mean, with the chance to be a mid-tier number two.
Yep.
Who would you rather have, Marvin Jones or Devin Funchess?
Rest of Steven, I'll take Funchess.
There's more upside with Funchess, but it could very well be close.
I think the interesting thing will be is if you have Funches on your team
compared to the Packers wide receivers and maybe Larry Fitzgerald
and just the quarterback situations that those teams are dealing with
and T.Y. Hilton, you're probably going to feel more inclined to start Funches right now.
Let's finish with the other wide receivers, Russell Shepard, Curtis Samuel.
Do you have any interest in those guys?
No.
No.
Okay.
Christian McCaffrey or Doug Martin, rest of season, standard and PPR?
Martin, standard, McCaffrey, PPR.
Agree.
Okay.
You want to revisit Jay Ajayi? So there was a note in an ESPN story that Jeff Darlington, an ESPN writer,
said that Miami thinks that Jay Ajayi is being hampered by his knee.
And he came into the NFL draft with serious knee issues.
They were worried about the longevity of his career.
And last year, Ajayi was great, obviously.
He had 1,272 yards, eight touchdowns, 4.9 yards per carry.
He was tremendous.
This year, much worse.
But, you know, a lot of the metrics would suggest that he's not worse,
that the offensive line is the reason why Ajayi is averaging 3.4 yards per carry.
Now, we also get a report that LeGarrette Blount is still the starter.
So I think you guys kind of said Ajayi's value was kind of the same,
less volume but better team, better offensive line.
What do you think now, a day later, about Jay Ajayi,
and which Eagles running back is better going forward?
I mean, the problem for Ajayi that I see, first off, his very first game against Denver,
where he's going to start the game as the backup, I would expect.
I'm kind of writing this week off.
And then he goes into a second bye week of the season next week.
So I don't, like he has two less games than a lot of running backs right off the bat.
And then I still think at Dallas, it's a situation where he's sharing the load with Blunt.
I expect him to be a number two running back, but not one that you can use for
the next two weeks for sure. He should eventually overtake Blunt. I can't imagine the Eagles making
this move to say, we're confident LeGarrette Blunt is our guy. This was a team, go back to the beginning
of the season, they wanted to use multiple guys. They have used multiple guys. Even last week,
it was Blunt, Smallwood had two touches.
Corey Clement was the guy at the end of the game, closing
out the game there.
They're without Darren Sproles.
It's an odd move
from the standpoint of
what Ajayi is best at
is what LeGarrette Blunt is best at.
Being a physical runner between the tackles.
Neither is a good pass catcher.
He's so much more explosive.
He's so much more explosive. He's so much more explosive.
Oh, totally, totally, totally.
But just from the construct of their team,
if you were to say the Eagles were going to make a move for a running back,
I would have expected more of what our buddy Pete Prisco calls an airback
because Smallwood and Clement, Corey Clement,
didn't necessarily step up into that Sproles role.
And maybe it's Smallwood's need and not being 100% because he looked okay in that first
game.
Maybe it's just Corey Clement not being that good, Kenyon Barner not being that good.
This is almost like getting a clone.
And to your point, a better clone of LeGarrette Blount.
All right.
How about – go ahead.
Finish up.
Sorry. of LeGarrette Blount. All right, how about... Go ahead, finish up, sorry. I just don't know if Ajayi,
I think, should be better than Blount,
should get more opportunities than Blount
because of why else we make this trade.
But to Heath's point,
it's a two-week window
where you can't plan on starting him.
Yeah, it's annoying.
Denver and then a bye.
So rank these three running backs for me.
J. Ajayi, Jarek McKinnon, Tevin Coleman.
McKinnon, Ajayi, Coleman in standard.
McKinnon, Coleman, Ajayi in PPR.
I think I'd still take Ajayi over Coleman in both formats.
But other than that, I agree.
Okay.
All right, we've got a lot to get to today, including a fun game that I'm excited to play.
Hopefully we have time for it.
Well, of course.
It's your favorite day.
I'm going to ask Dave over GChat.
Stop.
No.
He knows Wednesday shows are my fave because I get to do something like this.
New category, new segment.
It's called Like Seriously.
And here's the topic today.
Like seriously, guys.
How bad are Butterfingers?
They are – I come from a place of thinking that most candy is generally overrated.
They suck.
So I would say – like I would rather – if you sat me down at the table and there was a full-size Butterfinger and a tomato, I would pick up the tomato and start eating it.
I would too.
I hate Butterfinger.
Oh, they're terrible.
Why are they terrible?
I just – I think they taste like crap.
I don't understand the appeal.
I just think they're awful.
Yeah.
They were the candy bar that got into the feud with somebody on Twitter, right?
Or was that a different candy bar? I don't know, but I got a lot of feedback.
How come Butterfinger didn't make your candy draft?
What did we draft, 12 candies?
Nine candies?
We could have done a 20-round draft, and I wouldn't have chosen Butterfinger.
No, Butterfinger's terrible.
And I'm a big Bart Simpson fan too, so it's tough for me to say.
But no, no Butterfinger for me.
News and notes.
Danny Woodhead was limited in practice,
so that's a good sign. I'm sorry, when
could Woodhead be back? Was it next week?
Week 11. 11, okay.
Jimmy Garoppolo may not start until week
12. Marshawn Lynch
missed practice. Did you guys make anything of that?
Marshawn being Marshawn?
Yeah, I mean, I think it
maybe just moves it just a moves us a tick
closer to the raiders decide you know he's not actually good why don't we just give it to the
other running backs yeah so do you want to own jaylen richard or deandre washington right now
they're pretty low in this week's dash rankings do you guys it's just so hard they're
they're gonna cannibalize each other every time they're on the field yeah do you guys see – It's just so hard. They're going to cannibalize each other every time they're on the field.
Yeah.
Do you guys see the email that we just got from Chris?
Chris who?
Chris, the listener.
So not Chris Towers.
No.
Well, I mean, you should know every time Chris sends out a message.
You have ESP.
Chris just sent an email.
It's like Twitch, right?
Zero minutes ago.
Take five five hot take
Had never had a take five before today
Thought your pick was bad
Randomly had a take five tonight from Halloween
Amazing solid pick
I'm sorry go ahead
I'm not sure if I've ever had a take five
So last night we went
Trigger cheating with my
Sister and brother-in-law and their kids
And they're little
We have between the two families Two five year olds and a three year old with my sister and brother-in-law and their kids. They're little.
We have between the two families, two five-year-olds and a three-year-old.
They're clearly not going to eat all their candy.
We're going to steal a lot of it.
We're going through it.
My older nephew is 10.
He has a peanut allergy, so we're eliminating all the peanut stuff.
My wife finds, and mind you, she's six months pregnant.
She finds a Take 5 in there, and it was like – she found like the most favorite food she's ever had in her life.
She was so excited.
It's so good.
I was like, there better be another one in there.
And so my sister-in-law is digging through the pile.
She's like, she finds one.
She throws it to me across the room.
It was like we were fighting for food like we haven't eaten in forever.
Did you like it?
I mean I've had it before. Oh, you've had it before.
Yeah, it's great.
Okay, yeah, that's so good.
I recommend it, everybody.
Okay, Josh Gordon met with NFL officials about his reinstatement.
Did anybody want to stash Josh Gordon?
In a dynasty league, absolutely.
I have serious questions about he comes back.
Let's say today, right now, they say Josh Gordon is reinstated, eligible to play football.
Do the Browns keep him?
Well, the Browns don't know when the trade deadline is.
They'll probably try and trade him.
They'll probably try and trade him.
They'll screw that up.
But even if, let's say, best case scenario, the Browns decide they're going to keep him.
He doesn't have a quarterback.
And he's not practiced in a year and a half.
I don't think he makes an impact in 2017.
All right.
Vance Joseph not committing to Trevor Simeon.
David Johnson is expected to miss the rest of the season.
I probably should have led with that.
I apologize.
David Johnson, I dropped him in a couple leagues.
You have to, unfortunately.
The Giants are suspending cornerback Janoris Jenkins for this week's game. Who does that help? But David Johnson, I dropped him in a couple leagues. You have to, unfortunately.
The Giants are suspending cornerback Janoris Jenkins for this week's game.
Who does that help?
It's got to help Sammy Watkins.
Yeah, I thought maybe it helps Jared Goff.
It definitely helps Jared Goff.
I mean, I still don't want to anoint him as a must-start quarterback because it's still a cross-country trip, 1 o'clock start,
and the Giants should be healthy
with their pass rush.
No, not necessarily.
Apparently, Vernon's still questionable.
Oh, he's still banged up?
Okay, I thought I saw him was able to practice.
Maybe it was limited.
You know what, Jamie?
I think we should probably expect him to play.
Just not a foregone conclusion.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have corrected you on that.
Yeah, but look,
anytime a team's missing their best cornerback,
it helps. And do you expect the. Yeah, but look, anytime a team's missing their best cornerback, it helps.
And do you expect the following players?
Jordan Reed.
No.
Delaney Walker.
Right now we don't,
right? No.
Corey Davis.
God, I hope so. I think so.
How about Joe Flacco and
Mike Wallace?
We'll find out today.
Yeah.
Charles Clay?
No, right?
No.
Devontae Parker, Sunday night?
Yes.
Yes.
Kenny Galladay?
No.
And since Dave's not here, it doesn't matter.
Emmanuel Sanders.
It might matter for Stafford.
Emmanuel Sanders.
I'd say yes, but I don't know.
By the way, I asked Dave when you're done with this to reply to your hot takery.
Okay.
All right.
By the way, I did two interesting – or three interesting things yesterday.
I want you to know – I want to know what you think.
Number one, I dropped the Broncos' DST.
I think they're replaceable at this point.
They're like 18th or something.
I agree with you.
Yes.
I wouldn't just drop them for anyone, but I saw the Texans were available in some leagues, the Rams, Lions.
Okay.
I dropped the Chiefs in a couple different places.
Ooh, that's interesting.
That's an easy one, though, because they have their buy.
You can't start them against the Cowboys, and they're on a buy next week.
That's true.
Yeah, that's true.
Okay, number two.
I traded DeAndre Hopkins for Kareem Hunt.
Good trade.
Both great players.
I think it's probably a good trade.
I would give you probably a C.
The issue is that Just barely a C+.
The issue is that I gained a bye week.
I think it's 100% a C because they're upper echelon at their respective positions.
Right.
And number three, I added Vernon Davis in several leagues, even leagues I don't need him in.
But I have a lot of faith in him if Jordan Reed is out.
And Jordan Reed, he might miss more than one game.
We don't know.
And he might come back and get hurt again.
So I think Vernon Davis is worth stashing if you can afford it.
He's 37% on.
It is a good move.
So I had a dilemma in one league where I was fifth on waivers.
And I'm three and five.
I have a very good team, very good points, but just some bad luck.
And I put in a claim for Alex Collins, who was available. I have a very good team, very good points, but just some bad luck.
And I put in a claim for Alex Collins, who was available.
It's a PPR league.
But I only have Hunter Henry's on a buy this week.
And so I knew if I get – my top three claims were Collins, Drake, Vernon Davis.
And I was fully anticipating just getting Vernon Davis, and I missed him.
And so now I'm stuck at tight end. But it's like one of those things like, okay, great, I got Alex Collins.
Okay, I don't have tight end.
It's better to have Alex Collins, I suppose.
Alright, guys, so we got a lot to get to
on today's show. Here's what we're going to do.
Here's Dave's reply. I said to him,
Dave, what is your
response to Adam saying he loves
Wednesdays
on the day that you're not here.
And he said, why?
And I said, he loves it because we do different stuff.
And I said, Heath and I are killing him for saying it's the day that you're not here.
So he said, I agree.
Wednesdays are the best days.
And I said to him, that's just weak.
And he goes, days I don't have to talk to Adam are good days.
Oh, come on, Dave.
Hence, Wednesdays.
I thought we were buddies.
Sundays are even better. Talk to Adam or good day. Oh, come on, Dave. Hence Wednesdays. I thought we were buddies.
Sundays are even better.
You know, I'm going to invite Dave to the Hurricanes game this weekend.
Jamie and Heath are going to be on the radio show.
I've got an extra ticket now.
Wow, you're coming to Florida and not coming to the office to work?
On Sunday I'll see you.
You're coming here on Sunday?
I sure am.
Oh.
We've got a big game on Saturday night.
I'm going to ask Dave if he wants to come.
He's going to say no, but I'll ask him anyway. So we have to deal with you angry and upset after Virginia Tech wins?
No, because I'll have it for almost 24 hours by the time I see you on Sunday night.
Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
We're going to preview the Thursday night game, and I want to see if we can do it quickly
because I've got to get to the Legit-O-Meter with Alex Smith and Juju
and Chris Thompson.
How legit are these guys the rest of the season?
And then we're playing Fantasy Feud.
So don't go anywhere, everybody, because the feud is back.
I think the first time this year since the season started.
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Thursday night football.
Buffalo at the Jets.
All right, your stat of the game.
This one is interesting to me because we know the Bills have a good run defense. Buffalo at the Jets. All right, your stat of the game.
This one is interesting to me because we know the Bills have a good run defense.
But a running back has scored double-digit fantasy points in standard scoring leagues against the Bills in four of their last five games.
That was Jamal Charles.
C.J. Anderson had a terrible game, but Charles had 11 fantasy points in standard.
Tevin Coleman and Devontae Freeman both had 13.
Joe Mixon had 11.
DeAndre Washington had 12.
He had all 12 of those points came as a receiver.
And even Oluwole scored a touchdown in that game,
so he did not score double-digit fantasy points.
But it's weird.
It's like the Bills have a great run defense.
They're still giving up respectable production to running backs.
So I'll start there with Bilal Powell with Matt Forte.
You guys have interest in starting these guys?
I mean, there's a lot of teams on a bye.
I wouldn't rule it out.
Forte in PPR, in standard, I think they're both flex options.
I've got them as low-end number twos.
I just don't know how you can say one is better than the other.
Oh, I've got them back-to-back, yeah.
Yeah, with any confidence.
So that's why I would say you're hoping for a touchdown from one of them,
and they don't do that very often, carrying the ball.
Yeah.
And Forte has separated himself as the pass catcher.
So I look at it as flex for both, standard.
Number two, Forte, PPR, flex, Powell, PPR.
Would you start them over the Eagles guys?
Yes.
Yes.
Both of them over both the Eagles.
But you guys have –
But I would start Alfred Morris over both.
There you go.
And I would start Kenyon Drake over both in standard.
I would start Alfred Morris over both.
I would start both of them over the Dolphins guys.
Okay.
More on this game. With the quarterbacks,
I'm assuming you like Tyrod Taylor
better than Josh McCown?
A little. Yeah. I like
Taylor a lot. I think McCown
is worth starting also.
Taylor, 21 or more
fantasy points. Will he finally get
more than 21 fantasy points? He's on the road
here. He's not had a good road game this year.
Yes, I think he'll be in that range.
Right around 21.
Yeah.
Maybe a little better.
The Jets just aren't very good.
They're so bad.
In their pass defense.
They're so bad.
Now, at home, these are the four quarterbacks that the Jets have faced at home.
And I guess I should give them a little bit more credit.
Like, they've played the Falcons tough.
They've played the Patriots tough.
They've got, what, three wins this year?
Cutler scored 12 points.
Bortles scored 12 points.
Brady scored 20.
Matt Ryan scored 19 in terrible weather.
You're missing one, though.
Who?
Well, you can't just say Cutler.
Oh, no, that was in Miami.
I'm sorry.
The second game?
Yes, I forgot that they played them.
The home game was Cutler
So they've played two good quarterbacks out of four
And one of them played in a monsoon
And honestly with Matt Ryan
It's possible they've only played one good quarterback out of four
Tom Brady
Ryan had his best game of the year
At 19 fantasy points against Jets
Sean McCoy, we're starting
Any Buffalo pass catchers?
No.
No.
All right, the Jets pass catchers.
Would you start?
I guess let's back up for a second.
If Kelvin Benjamin is playing, given six teams on a bye,
I will use him as a third receiver in a three-year league.
He'll be in my top 36.
If we find out tomorrow that Kelvin Benjamin
is playing, I promise all the listeners we will
definitely revisit it. We will lay it out.
But right now, we're going to approach this game as if he's not playing?
That would be the
safe assumption, yes.
It's tough because it's a good
matchup for him. The last three outside wide
receivers against the Jets have done very,
very well.
It would be nice for Benjamin, but it would also be very tough to just join a new offense and whatnot. the Jets have done very, very well. So it would be nice for Benjamin, but it would also be very tough to just
join a new offense and whatnot.
The Jets wide receivers, you like Anderson better than Kearse?
Yes.
And Anderson is a borderline number two for me.
Agree.
Do you like Anderson better than the Jets running backs?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
He's 50% owned, so he's out there.
Would you start Anderson or Demarius Thomas?
I would start Thomas.
Would you start Robbie Anderson or Alshon Jeffrey?
Anderson.
Anderson.
That's probably an easy one, right?
Yeah.
Matchup is just so much better.
Right.
Anderson or T.Y. Hilton? Hilton. Hilton. Hilton. This could be a. Anderson or T.Y. Hilton?
Hilton.
Hilton.
This could be a good week for T.Y. Hilton.
Okay.
Hope so.
Hmm.
Anything else?
Where is Jermaine Curtis?
He's a number three guy.
I think he's probably better than Alshon Jeffrey, too.
He's a low-end number three for me.
I've got him behind Alshon, right, in the same range as Jameson Crowder, Cooper Cup.
Alshon's facing the Broncos this week. That's why
we're low on him. Which tight end
do you like better, O'Leary or Safarian Jenkins?
Safarian. Still Safarian Jenkins.
O'Leary's been a total dud.
Yep. I hope.
I really hope. And I know they
gave him the game ball last week. I hope they get a
touchdown to Logan Thomas. That would just be so great.
And Safarian Jenkins, he's, I mean, a lot of games he's like 30 yards.
So he needs to score.
We don't really know how good the Bills are against tight ends.
They haven't faced great ones, but they got crushed by O.J. Howard.
So would you start Vernon Davis or Austin Safarian Jenkins?
I'll start Vernon Davis.
I'd start Vernon Davis too. Okay. Jason Witten or Safarian-Jenkins? I'll start Vernon Davis. I'd start Vernon Davis too.
Okay.
Jason Witten or Safarian-Jenkins?
Jason Witten.
Yeah, Witten.
Jack Doyle or Safarian-Jenkins?
Doyle.
That one's easy.
I think this game is easy.
Where's the Bills DST for you guys?
Top 10.
Yep.
Bills or Broncos?
Bills.
I probably need to revisit that, but
Bills make more sense.
Bills or Texans?
Texans.
Texans.
All right.
All right, yeah, that'll conclude it.
Check the rankings for more.
Let's go to the legit-o-meter.
How legit are these guys?
And I want to know from the standpoint of you own them.
Do you feel comfortable with them rest of season?
Do you feel comfortable maybe trading away somebody at that position
and riding this guy as a starter most weeks?
Got one quarterback for you.
It's Alex Smith.
Alex Smith is the number three quarterback in fantasy.
He's on pace for almost 4,400 yards.
He's never been over 3,500
yards. He hasn't thrown a pick
yet. Usually throws about 6 or 7.
Alex Smith,
0-10 on the legitimate meter. I know
he's not the number 3 quarterback, but I guess
as a starter,
rest of the season, 0-10.
I'm going to try to calibrate the scale here a little bit.
Sure. I think a 10
should be he is what he has been.
So a 10 would be he is the number three quarterback.
That's going to work for him.
Okay.
It's not going to work for some of the guys that have only had like two or three weeks of good production.
Okay.
Well, I'm not going to say a 10.
Okay.
So I will say a four for Alex Smith.
Jamie, the Judo leader?
I'll be more optimistic.
I'll say six.
Now, when you say four, Heath, does that mean you don't feel comfortable with Alex Smith as your only quarterback that you're starting every week other than his bye week?
That is correct.
I don't feel comfortable that rest of season Alex Smith is going.
And he wasn't.
He's taking a downturn.
Yeah.
Since the Steelers game, he hasn't been great.
So that's the Broncos game.
I feel like he's a borderline number one quarterback.
Okay. Would you rather have Smith or Stafford?
Rest of season, I'll take Stafford.
So, Jamie, I'm sorry. I just want to jump in.
The Steelers game was 16 fantasy points.
Then he did have a great game at Oakland, 31.
But he had a down one last week.
Yeah, but the Broncos.
Right, but, you know, again, we're talking about can you be sustainable.
Deshaun Watson was, what, top three quarterback coming into a tough matchup,
and he obliterated that defense.
Oh, he's not Deshaun Watson.
Right, but I guess the point would be is if you're going to consider Alex Smith
legit and being a top five or top ten guy the rest of the way,
he's got to have some good games against tough opponents.
And he was very close against Denver.
He had a touchdown that was dropped that would have put him over 20 points.
I don't know if he does.
He's got a pretty good schedule because he's facing Denver again in week 17.
But your
point is taken. I totally get what you're saying.
I don't get this whole home road
thing. He's got multiple touchdown
passes in every road game
and he's got one touchdown pass
in all four home games. Three of his
next four games are on the road. Is that just a
statistical fluke?
It's Tyreek Hill.
And it was Travis Kelsey before this game.
There is probably something to the fact that the Chiefs are taking a few more chances on
the road because they don't feel like they have to at home.
All right.
All right, let's go to our next guy, Marvin Jones.
Last three games, he's been highly targeted, eight or more.
He's had six catches in all three games.
He's had two monster games.
How legit is Marvin Jones, zero to ten?
Five.
3.9.
So you don't feel like he's a starter most weeks?
I think he's a borderline number two, number three receiver given the week, given the matchup.
Right.
This particular week, I think he's a very
good start. You've got to love the way
the targets have been for him.
I was clearly joking about
the Galladay thing with Dave, but
when Galladay is back,
can he still be...
I should say, he'll still be the featured
outside guy, but that's targets
that will go away from him.
They will clearly lean on Galladay a little bit more, at least I would assume, than TJ Jones.
Maybe I should raise the number a little bit because I do think in a league where there's two receivers and a flex, he's probably a starter most every week.
I did find it interesting.
I think it was on the Sunday night broadcast.
It was probably Chris Collinsworth that said they paid him to be a number one guy,
and he's finally starting to look like a number one guy.
Yeah, he's looking really good.
He did look very good at the beginning of last year too,
and then Marvin Jones fooled us all.
Well, I think that kind of goes, and maybe it's just the Golden Tate injury.
If you recall the start of last season, they made such a concerted effort,
and even in training camp and the preseason, to feature Marvin Jones.
Remember, we thought, oh, Golden Tate, Calvin Johnson's gone.
It's going to be his show because his numbers were so good when Calvin was out.
And then Jones got off to that great start, ironically enough, had that big game in Green
Bay, which is where he's going this week, and then completely, completely fell off the
map.
And I think it also came in line with the story out of Detroit was we're not getting Golden Tate enough involved,
getting him enough involvement in the offense.
And then he started to, you know, I think it was like that nine-game stretch or eight-game stretch of eight-plus targets,
nine-plus targets, and he was just peppered with the ball.
So, you know, now with Tate leaving with a shoulder injury, not being 100%,
you've seen kind of what Marvin Jones can be.
I think both can be very good.
I still would prefer Tate, but I don't think you can, like to what he said,
you can get away with Jones as a starter depending on what the format you're in.
What do you think about this hot analysis?
Marvin Jones' next two games are at Green Bay and home against Cleveland.
Look pretty favorable.
After that, I think that's when you sell him, after the Cleveland game,
maybe after the Green Bay game.
When's the trade deadline in most leagues?
Thanksgiving, I would say, typically.
Okay.
All right, fine.
Let's just say next week, maybe.
You've got at Chicago.
Nobody does well at Chicago.
Minnesota, we know they're good against receivers.
At Baltimore.
At Tampa Bay is good.
And then Chicago again.
And then at Cincinnati.
It's a pretty bad schedule, I think, for Marvin Jones after the next two games.
Right.
I think if you can – first off, he's got to have like Will Fuller type games to try and get something good in return for him.
If he has five for 80 against the Packers, I still think that's pretty good, right?
Yeah.
I mean you're probably getting backup type player in return for it, which is not bad.
If you want to – maybe we don't know who the,
you know, maybe McFadden's the number two guy. You want to
get that on your team. Maybe, you know,
Damien Williams has done a nice job. You want to get
that. I don't know if you're getting, like, star quality
player in return for Marvin Jones. Alright, let's, uh,
that's Marvin Jones. Let's go to our next guy, Juju Smith-Schuster.
Jones was, like, a five-ish
on the legit-o-meter. Where's Juju Smith-Schuster?
I think
he's lower.
Oh, I'm going to go higher.
Jamie's going to go higher.
But it all, in my opinion,
comes down to what you think about Ben.
Yeah.
In this matchup.
I'll say four.
Okay, so Jamie, you like Smith-Schuster better than Jones And Heath, you like Jones better than Juju
Yeah
Great
Adam Thielen
Adam Thielen is the number 17 wide receiver in Standard
Number 5 in PPR
Where would Adam Thielen be on the Adam-Azer-Hato meter?
Because you hate this guy
I don't hate him
I don't hate him at all
I don't believe that his quarterback can sustain two wide receivers
However, Teddy Bridgewater might be his quarterback in their next game Here's the thing I don't know that his quarterback can sustain two wide receivers. However, Teddy Bridgewater might be his quarterback in their next game.
Here's the thing.
I don't know that he can do it either.
On a week-to-week basis, you're probably right.
They're probably not going to be top 20 wide receivers, both of them, every week.
But most teams don't have two top 20 wide receivers every week.
I mean, not everybody's the Texans.
Right. But I would expect that there will be good Thielen games, good Diggs games.
I don't think he's the number five wide receiver in PPR, but if you're just talking about that
standard ranking, number 17, I'll say 10.
Adam, let me ask this question because I know how you feel about that.
You'll say that he's a 10 on the Legitimeter, not that he's the number 10 wide receiver.
Right.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Which duo would you rather have rest of season?
Jarvis Landry and Devontae Parker or Stephon Diggs and Adam Thielen?
Diggs because Diggs is my favorite receiver in that group.
Okay.
And the thing is, you have to look at Landry with Cutler and Parker healthy.
He scored no touchdowns. He really was
pretty bad. Yeah, I didn't
mean this to be a Dolphins receiver discussion.
I just know you like Devontae Parker a lot.
Alright, so you guys think Thielen's pretty legit?
Yeah. Alright.
Kenny Stills, 74% owned.
If you were to tell me Monday
when I was writing the waiver column that
Devontae Parker was playing 100%,
I would have had Kenny Stills in the drop list.
Yeah, I agree.
Probably a zero.
Okay.
Chris Thompson, top 10 running back in both formats, leads the Redskins in catches, yards, and receiving touchdowns,
second in targets beyond Jamison Crowder, believe it or not.
Chris Thompson, legitit-O-Meter. And this is, remember, I own Chris Thompson,
so I feel like I can go out and make a trade,
another one of my running backs,
because I'm going to be comfortable starting Thompson rest of the season.
That's how I'm framing it.
So where is he on that scale, 0-10?
7 in PPR and a 3.5 in standard.
Yeah, I would say 8 or 9 in PPR and probably 4 in standard.
They're not going to run the ball with any levels because of success with this offensive line being what it is.
And he's not going to average 20 yards of reception or whatever he's averaging?
Right.
Or he may never score a touchdown again.
I mean, just based on how many he's scored so far and what his career numbers have been,
that's not clearly going to happen.
He'll find the end zone.
But there's a lot of regression coming from him but he'll still catch the ball plenty his next two
opponents seattle and minnesota are in the top six in receiving yards per game allowed to running
backs i'm sure a lot of that is who they face i haven't looked but you know you face chris thompson
you're probably going to go up in that ranking but but they've done a great job and then in the
playoffs he gets the chargers who are are terrible against pass-catching running backs.
But then the Cardinals and the Broncos both are really good.
Something to keep in mind.
We'll see what happens this week at Seattle.
It'll be a test for Chris.
Am I wrong?
Wait.
Who do they play this week?
I'm sorry.
Seattle.
Oh, they do.
Okay.
Okay.
My bad.
I got confused with Dallas and Washington.
Dallas has the Chiefs.
Aaron Jones on the Legit-O-Meter.
Zero to ten. Ten. I don't know Dallas and Washington. Dallas has the Chiefs. Aaron Jones on the Legit-O-Meter, 0-10.
10.
I don't know what 10 means.
Must start every week.
7.
This one's really tough for me, Jamie.
Tell me why you have so much confidence in Aaron Jones.
He's your start of the week, right?
Yes.
Offensive line is healthy coming off their bye week, so that's big.
I think the first time in the last seven games
they're going to have all five guys back on the field.
So if that group stays healthy, this is what I think this team has to become
because they don't want Brett Hundley to win games for them.
No, he can't.
True.
So is he going to be 130 in a touchdown every week
like he was his last time out against the Saints?
Clearly not.
Can he be 80 to 100 total yards weekly?
I mean, he had three catches against the Saints and only had seven yards.
I think that's probably an average that will go up.
So I think he could be a floor of about seven or eight points weekly, which makes him a must-start guy.
And then chance to score.
It's very clear that they favor him over Ty Montgomery,
which I think is the right move just given that he's a natural running back.
So I'll buy in.
All right.
Aaron Jones or Alex Collins, rest of season?
Jones.
I'll say Jones.
This is a big week.
Aaron Jones or Marvin Jones, rest of season?
Aaron Jones.
Even in PPR? Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Jones or Marvin Jones rest of the season? Aaron Jones. Even in PPR?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Aaron Jones or J.H.I. rest of the season?
Aaron Jones.
I think Aaron.
Okay.
All right, last one.
How legit is Jarek McKinnon?
Zero to ten.
Ten.
7.5.
Okay.
So you feel comfortable starting him most weeks?
He's 20 catches in four games since the injury to Cook.
He's been awesome.
He looks so good.
I mean, look, Dalvin Cook's a great player.
I wonder what else they could have gotten with that draft pick.
Yeah, I don't know, but McKinnon is definitely emerging.
Good stuff from him.
We're going to finish the game with the Fantasy Feud.
Finish the game?
Finish the show with the Fantasy Feud.
Oh, Wednesdays are the best, aren't they?
All right.
We've got three categories.
Who's going to take it home?
The top five answers are on the board.
I'm looking for last three games, not weeks.
This takes into account buys.
Oh, wow.
Last three games.
Give me the top five tight ends in standard scoring leagues.
Jamie.
That was Jamie?
Jimmy Graham.
Number three answer.
Heath, you get a chance to get number two or one.
Zach Ertz.
Number one answer.
Pass or play?
I'll play.
Okay.
So we've got Ertz and Graham off the board.
You've got three guesses to get numbers two, four, and five.
Top five tight ends in standard scoring leagues over the last three games.
Gronk.
Is number two.
Kelsey. Is number two. Kelsey.
Is number four.
So I just need the reason that we're doing this now.
Exactly.
You've learned.
Let's see.
Top five tight end over his last three games.
Now, what if a player has missed a game due to injury?
That's part of it.
You cannot waste this much time.
I'm going to give you an eh soon.
Wow.
Really?
Three, two, one.
Tyler Croft.
Tyler Croft is incorrect.
Eh.
All right.
I'll give you a little more time now.
What I recommend is pulling up a list of teams.
Just pull up a list of teams.
I've got a list of teams.
I'm going through it.
It takes just a second, Adam.
You have five seconds.
Austin Hooper.
Hooper!
Okay.
One more.
Jamie's got a chance to steal.
How are you feeling over there, Jamie?
You feel like you could steal it?
I think I know the answer.
Oh, that's comforting.
Makes me feel a lot better about this guess.
I'm usually terrible at this game.
Seven seconds. Seven seconds.
Seven seconds from now.
Go ahead.
Evan Ingram.
That's not a bad guess, though.
All right, Jamie, you got a chance to steal for the points.
I'm going to guess Jack Doyle.
Da-ding!
Oh, that was a weird bell.
Da-ding!
Cha-ching!
Ba-zing!
You win, Jamie.
Jack Doyle.
Well, you got more points than you got last time.
That's true.
JB is the winner of round one.
You know, you could talk about Jack Doyle,
but you know who I want to talk about also is Jimmy Graham.
Because he has been good in his last three weeks.
I think he's taken advantage of some good matchups.
And, I don't know, how do you guys feel about Jimmy Graham?
Do you think he's the guy that people drafted him to be?
Like a fifth round pick, sixth-round pick?
Yep.
I feel great about this whole passing attack now that they seem to just be doing what they should do and just throw the ball.
There's, I would say, of the guys that Heath named, of the guys on this list, Gronk is in your lineup no matter what, whoever they're playing.
Kelsey, same way.
Ertz, same way.
Jimmy Graham has to be the same way.
And I would say if Jordan Reed or Greg Olson were healthy,
they would probably be the same way.
Reed being healthy, not dealing with any ailments.
So you have that group now.
And there are guys that are borderline there.
Cameron Braid, I think, is borderline there.
I think Braid's there.
Okay, Braid's there.
Evan Ingram is probably right there.
Borderline, yeah.
If not there.
We'll see.
That's interesting because he hasn't played with Shepard yet since all the injuries.
Sure, but again, if you've been carrying Evan Ingram, I guess you could say the same thing, Delaney Walker, if he's healthy too, even though he's been a disappointment.
It's hard to get away with what those guys are capable of when they're right.
Ooh, Walker.
You put Walker in that category?
I just think based on when he's right.
I don't know if he's been right for a long time.
I don't know if he will be.
Yeah.
And what I was getting at is I think Jack Doyle is now in that list.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know that if you own Delaney Walker, you can feel too comfortable.
Okay, so take his name off there. Do you agree with that, though? I don't want to. Yeah, that, okay. Yeah, I don't know that if you own Delaney Walker, you can feel too comfortable. Okay, so take his name off there.
Do you agree with that, though?
I don't want to.
Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
But I think with Jack Doyle, what you're seeing, you know, and he had a game,
I think in his last five games he missed one.
But of those last five, four of them have been six or more catches,
at least consistently.
Targets have been there for him.
Jacoby Brissett just doesn't throw the ball down the field with a lot of success,
which is hurting T.Y. Hilton.
I'll tell you who I struggle with in this tight end legitimacy conversation
is Safarian Jenkins.
Yeah, he's touchdown dependent.
Dave's been saying this for a few weeks now,
that what Josh McCown did with Gary Barner is just kind of what he's doing
with Austin Safarian Jenkins.
He's just making him relevant.
I wish Dave were here, man.
This show would be even better.
All right, next round.
Next round.
Jamie has the points so far.
Okay, we're looking at weekly scoring, which is, you know, basically season-long scoring,
but it does take into account bi-weeks, does take into account injuries.
On a per-week basis, not including Odell Beckham, give me the top five wide receivers in standard scoring leagues.
Five best receivers on a weekly basis.
Jamie buzzed in.
Jamie, go ahead.
DeAndre Hopkins.
Number two answers, DeAndre Hopkins.
Heath?
Number two, really?
Yeah, you get a chance for number one here.
Got a chance to steal.
Take it too long.
I will say Antonio Brown.
Number three, Antonio Brown.
Jamie, pass or play?
Two and three are off the board.
I'm going to pass because I like you yelling at Heath when he takes too much time.
All right, Heath, let's get angry then.
Yes, on a per-game basis.
Standard scoring, top five receivers.
In a standard scoring league league you want the top five
wide receivers am i understanding this correctly you have got it you nailed it okay um good gosh
how do we not know this um will fuller hey number one will full job. Thanks. So I need number four and number five now?
Right.
We have Fuller, Hopkins, and Brown off the board.
AJ Green?
Number four.
Okay.
Julio?
See, I think...
I'm gonna...
This is...
It always comes down to number five, and can Jamie come up with who it is?
Hey, I'll do the narrating.
You do the guessing.
Okay.
How many seconds do I have left?
You got five seconds.
Okay.
Chris Hogan.
Not a bad guess, but...
Okay.
Well, if that's the case, then I really don't
know. Seven.
Six.
Yeah.
I
have no idea.
Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks is incorrect. All right, I got it. Brandon Cooks.
Brandon Cooks is incorrect.
All right, Jamie Eisenberg, your chance to steal and win the game.
So it's a per-game basis?
I don't really understand the question either.
Yeah, per-game.
So it's basically like not including bye weeks, not including injuries,
stuff like that, per-game played.
The number five wide receiver in standard scoring leagues is?
Mike Evans?
Nope.
Heath, you win by default.
So let's see who it was, everybody.
Michael Crabtree.
Ah, okay.
Yeah, eight or more fantasy points in standard scoring in all but one game.
Only 57 yards per game, which is down slightly from last year's 63,
but scores a lot of touchdowns.
You want to talk about anybody here?
Fuller, Hopkins, Brown, Green, Crabtree?
It's going to be interesting to see what
AJ Green does this week. Yeah, for sure.
I had a hard time ranking him. I think I've got him
right around number 10, just because with all the
buys, I wouldn't want to tell anybody to sit him.
I did the same thing with AJ Green
that I did with Hopkins. Right in the middle.
Yeah.
Hopefully he does well.
And that's the thing.
He's at Jacksonville, bad.
At Tennessee, great.
At Denver, bad.
Cleveland, probably great.
Pittsburgh, bad.
Chicago, not sure.
At Minnesota, might be bad.
And then Detroit.
A.J. Green, brutal schedule coming up.
Yep, he's a sell-high candidate.
Yeah, not because he's bad, just because you might have to decrease production.
So we got the tiebreaker here?
Tiebreaker, here we go.
Ending the show with this.
Top six answers are on the board.
Wow.
Red zone targets leaders.
Is this a per game?
No, it's not per game.
It's season long.
Jamie, your guess.
Red Zone Target.
I'm going to take a guess.
It's going to be wrong, but I'm going to say Josh Doxson.
Yeah, that is wrong.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll say Chris Hogan.
He's up there.
He's tied for fifth.
All right, pass or play, Heath?
Well, I'm going to go ahead and play just for the fun of it.
He couldn't even – like he couldn't even say play quickly.
He had to deliberate on that.
All right, let's go to – all right. You got one guy off the board, Chris Hogan.
Top six in red zone targets.
Michael Crabtree?
Oh, it's not a per game basis no um okay top six in red zone targets the momentum killer heath cummings
well this is the end of the show right people? People have listened this long. Yeah, not anymore, but yeah.
Crap.
Five, four, three.
DeAndre Hopkins.
Wow.
How many strikes is that?
That's just one, right?
Okay, sorry.
It took so long.
I figured there had to have been more.
Five.
Zach Ertz?
Starting to hurt my throat.
Stop getting these wrong.
Well, I have no idea at all.
I'm just totally –
Jordan Nelson.
No, he was for a while, but not anymore.
So, eh. Okay, Jamie. i think the number one answer is pretty obvious
uh all right jamie your chance to win the game red zone targets i was gonna say des bryant
ding ding ding 14 red zone targets des bryant leads the nfl number one okay yeah i had no
no idea yeah it's it's an interesting list.
If he said Dez, I was going to make a guess, but I would imagine with the last two games.
Was Emmanuel Sanders on the list?
Let's see.
Sanders.
No, he's not in the top five, no.
But let's see if he's anywhere close.
No, he has six red zone targets.
Here are your top five red zone target leaders according to ProFootballReference.com.
Dez Bryant with 14.
A three-way tie for second between Devontae Adams, Larry Fitzgerald,
oh well, and Jimmy Graham, which I think is very encouraging.
Chris Hogan is tied for fifth with Cooper Cup.
11 red zone targets.
So dumb.
Four of them came against
Arizona in week seven in their last
game, their most recent game.
But yeah, I
think very encouraging from my standpoint
that Jimmy Graham is on there
with 12.
Dez is really not
having a good year. He's on pace for
73 catches, 836 yards
and nine touchdowns.
But he gets the red zone targets.
So. I mean, Zach Ertz
was a pretty good guess. Zach Ertz,
yes, Zach Ertz has 10. He was one
target away.
One target away. So was Gronk, so was
Antonio Brown. And that's going to do it.
Jamie, congratulations. You are the winner.
You come back tomorrow and face a different
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