Fantasy Football Today - 11/01: Start or Sit (NFC); Garoppolo! Drake! Coleman :( (Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 1, 2019Recapping SF-ARI which featured a number of surprising performances. Is Jimmy Garoppolo ready to take off now that Emmanuel Sanders is his teammate? Did Kenyan Drake just make David Johnson less valu...able? Drop or hold Christian Kirk? ... News and notes (16:16) as we update you on who is trending in the right direction and if you should add Josh Gordon. Then we've got "Stats to Know" (21:30) for today's games including why Mike Williams could be in for a big game soon, what really determines Russell Wilson's Fantasy production and why Jordan Howard is more valuable than you may realize. Plus Beat the Waiver Wire (28:30)! Pick up the Colts DST, immediately ... GB-LAC (31:00), MIN-KC (42:10), DAL-NYG (48:55), CHI-PHI (53:48), TB-SEA (1:03:00), TEN-CAR (1:06:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Happy Friday, everybody.
Happy November. It's Mo-vember, right? You gotta grow your mustache, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Happy Friday, everybody. Happy November.
It's Movember, right?
You got to grow your mustache unless you're Jamie and you shaved your mustache after having it for one day, which is a strange decision.
Why is it a strange decision?
Who grows a mustache for one day?
Well, I didn't grow it for one day.
I just shaved the beard down for one day, and it was for Halloween.
I don't know what this is going to do to my analysis for Gardner Minshew this week.
I was all in, but now I'm thinking one touchdown, four interceptions.
That'd be a rough day.
It sure would.
All right, welcome to the Friday show, everybody.
We have six games to preview today, and they are all kind of interesting.
We don't have any duds.
We don't have the Redskins on the schedule.
We don't have the Bills on the schedule.
Those teams are typically pretty easy to preview.
And they play each other.
Yeah, right, exactly.
We don't have the Jets and the Dolphins on the schedule.
They play each other.
We previewed those games yesterday.
So we've got the NFC home games plus a couple of AFC home games that involve NFC teams like the Vikings Chiefs and the Packers Chargers.
I'm excited about the slate today.
I really am.
Last night's game was a good way to kick it off.
Hope you all had a great Halloween.
Anybody have a tummy ache from candy?
No.
Okay.
Good.
You?
No, but I...
Did you get your Starburst?
No, I didn't.
I didn't have a lot of candy, but we went out for a bit.
We left a basket full of Kit Kats.
And since they're so overrated, we came home to a basket full of Kit Kats.
So I had a couple of those.
They're good.
Well, they probably know that you're the grumpy house.
So they avoided you.
No, no, no.
That's the Cummings residence.
Okay.
So let's go to San Francisco 28.
Arizona 25 did not exactly play out as we planned.
In our podcast league, I have Tevin Coleman in the 49ers DST in PPR,
and I thought I was going to get off to a great start,
and I have 10 points.
So that's no good.
I think the biggest takeaway is I'm really surprised
at how bad of a game Tevin Coleman had.
I don't know if that should be the biggest takeaway.
Maybe it should be Garoppolo.
There's a lot of big takeaways.
Go ahead.
The floor is yours.
Discuss.
Well, we can start with Tevin Coleman and the fact that he should have had a big takeaways. Go ahead. The floor is yours. Discuss. Well, we can start with Tevin Coleman and the fact that he should
have had a big game. He had a touchdown run
called back. He dropped a pass that
would have gone for at least a lot
of yardage, if not a long house call
late in the game.
Props to the Cardinals for
doing a mostly good job against the
49ers run. Breida had some great runs.
I'm,
uh,
I'm,
I'm very flummoxed by the 49ers run game and their schedule coming up does not make things any easier.
Yeah,
I'm not,
I'm not concerned.
I think you saw Cardinals defense that sold out against the run and they
dared Garoppolo to beat them.
And he did.
And,
you know,
it was coming off of where they just ran through that Panthers defense.
I think the big thing is, is that Joe Staley is getting close.
McGlinchey is getting close.
Hopefully they get Juszczyk back soon.
And so then you're going to see, I think, still very good performances from their ground game.
It was, you know, the surprise, I think, was that Breida played as much as he did, you know, just coming off of an injury situation.
But this is kind of what this offense is going to be.
It's going to be a lot of, you know, but this is kind of what this offense is going to be. It's going to be a lot of shared situations.
I think it was 52% of the snaps went to Coleman,
and it was like 40-something for Breida.
It was their most-read-how-to-carry late in the game.
Jeff Wilson had the dumb play by Cliff Kingsbury
carry at the end of the first half.
But how frustrating is that?
It wasn't even Tevin Coleman in at the one-yard line.
Well, I think what that was, what that was, was they wanted their like hammer situation, you know, just the real.
Hey, like a specific package.
Who cares?
It wasn't Coleman.
Yeah.
But like Dave said, like Dave said, he still had the the inside the five yard touch.
He did.
Yeah.
I think it was like he was the red zone guy.
He was.
So I don't worry so i don't worry
about i don't worry about tevin coleman um you know can he be uh a number one fantasy running
back probably not on a consistent basis when everybody's playing and no injuries but can he
still be a guy you start week to week absolutely yeah he can be a number two running back but
this is gonna i feel like this validates the 49ers as a hot-hand running back group
because we saw Breida get off to a good start,
and he had more carries than Coleman in the game.
Coleman played 53% that is actually higher than what he played last week
when he had four touchdowns.
Because he pulled him in late.
Right.
Breida 41%.
Raheem Mostert 3%.
Jeff Wilson 3%. Jeff Wilson, 3%. So are the Cardinals trending toward running back by committee?
Let's go over some of the start percentages in this game.
Jimmy Garoppolo is owned in 81% of leagues, started in 44%.
Coleman, 94% started, bad game.
Brita, 18% started, solid game.
Emmanuel Sanders started in 69% of leagues.
That's actually higher than I maybe would have expected. He had a huge game. Emmanuel Sanders started in 69% of leagues. That's actually higher than I
maybe would have expected. He had a huge game, seven catches, 112 yards and a touchdown on nine
targets. Meanwhile, Kyler Murray started in only 25% of leagues, scored 26 fantasy points.
And Kenyon Drake started in 26% of leagues. And yeah, there was a report before the game that he
was going to get big work, but there was also Kyleyle shanahan or excuse me cliff kingsbury saying and i'm thinking
on wednesday there was going to be committee and kenyan drake goes off and the dolphins i mean the
dolphins should be sitting there going wow we probably should have used this guy more uh big
game the jet the jets also should be thinking that too with their head coach yeah yes and 15
carries 110 yards and a touchdown, four catches, 52 yards,
only his fourth career game with 15 or more carries,
and he has scored 22 or more fantasy points in PPR in all four of those games.
So Kenyon Drake, look, obviously David Johnson is the guy there,
but what does this mean going forward, do you think, in the Cardinals' backfield?
Well, what was the start percentage again?
26%.
Yeah, I think the 26% of people got the best game from Kenyon Drake,
and everybody else is probably going to be disappointed the rest of the season,
depending on David Johnson's health for Week 10.
Because if Johnson's back, even if you think Kenyon Drake's going to be the lead guy,
which there could be some consideration that it's, you know, what did you 52 41 in terms of the snap count for coleman versus brita yeah it could
be it could be a similar situation in an ideal word world for kenyan drake that he's that guy
in terms of the the snap count i doubt that i would be shocked if david johnson doesn't come
back as the number one running back for the cardinals but now you have a situation where
there's a clear capable number two guy probably along the linesinals. But now you have a situation where there's a clear, capable number two guy,
probably along the lines of how Chase Edmonds was going to be viewed
if it had just been those two guys.
So you most likely missed out, unfortunately, on Drake's best game.
Again, unless we don't get David Johnson back for Week 10 against Tampa Bay.
Now he was practicing on a limited basis,
so I would assume that he's going to be back with extra time to prepare.
But if he's out, then it's clear you can trust Kenya Drake as a starter.
Well, the Niners, I mean, I talked about this.
The Niners' run defense really did seem a little bit vulnerable.
Well, Con Alexander left the game too.
Yeah, that was in the second half though.
I mean, he ran over them in the first half as well.
Yeah, the first carry of the game was amazing.
Their run defense isn't as good as Tampa Bay's,
but we'll get into that next week.
But I think the question is less about Kenyon Drake
and more about David Johnson.
And if you're a David Johnson owner right now,
are you shaking in your boots,
or do you still think you have a must-start running back?
I think you still have a must-start running back.
One of my biggest takeaways from the game is that
I'm buying into Cliff Kingsbury as a play caller
and just as a schemer.
And he's finding ways to make his offense good I
know it didn't really look that way against New Orleans last Sunday but it's looked good for most
of the season he takes on teams he recognizes their weaknesses and he he attacks them relentlessly
and I think as soon as the very first carry for Drake where he just breaks it off for 30 something
yards he realized okay we can get this guy home And the offensive line even incurred an injury at one point during the game.
They had Justin Pugh move around and they still were able to get good yardage out of
Drake.
A lot of five yard runs, a lot of eight yard runs.
He was great on passes.
I think that this offense next year could be extremely good.
And this year they're already coming up with some good numbers for their run game.
I'm hoping
that we can get some stability in the passing game as well fair enough stretch well let's talk
about the passing games here and you know how much do you trust jimmy garoppolo going forward
37 pass attempts we don't usually see that from him he was he was outstanding um he's always you
know with the niners he's always been good at yards per attempt, just hasn't attempted
that much. And he's got Emmanuel Sanders with a big game, 112 yards and a touchdown. So let's
start with the 49ers passing game, and then we'll talk about the very disappointing Christian Kirk,
two for eight on five targets. Larry Fitzgerald with another bad game, even though it was a good
one for Kyler Murray. So Jamie, your thoughts on Garoppolo and Sanders?
Well, I'm hoping that Garoppolo has a similar turn in his season
like Dak Prescott had last year when he got Amari Cooper.
Putting a good playmaker, I don't think Sanders is as good as Cooper,
but you saw last night that the numbers couldn't be as good as what Amari Cooper did.
But just getting a semblance of a solid receiver who knows what he's doing that can help an offense,
turning the quarterback into a quality fantasy option.
And so I don't think he's going to go 304 on a week-to-week basis.
That's unrealistic.
But, you know, this is now his third game over 30 pass attempts.
It's, you know, second game with Sanders.
So he's found him in the end zone twice.
We obviously got a little bit of a scare with George Kittleittle in the first half and thankfully he's fine but now you
have two guys that can make plays in the passing game and if teams are going to sell out to stop
the run then you see now that garoppolo can can be good he had his two best throws was he hit
sanders on uh it was an outright the one that i'm thinking uh where he just you know anticipated
sanders getting open and it was just beautiful and you know what the one that I'm thinking of. Where he just anticipated Sanders getting open.
Oh, yeah, great throw.
And it was just beautiful.
And that's their timing now.
It's only going to continue to improve.
And then I thought his other best throw was actually an incomplete pass.
He was getting drilled in his face, and he hit Kittle on a sideline throw.
And Buda Baker just came over and made a great play
and knocked the ball out of Kittle's hands.
But just a beautiful drop right into Kittle's hands,
and it was just a better play by the safety.
But in any event, this was one of the best I've ever seen.
I've seen Garoppolo play with the 49ers.
Just third down throws were great, moving in the pocket, finding guys.
The Kendrick Bourne touchdown was tipped, but he still put it in the right spot.
Dante Pettis, the touchdown to him was nice.
And so I think you're just talking about the schedule getting tougher for them,
so they're going to have to probably be in a little bit more back-and-forth situations.
So this is a good time to buy low on Garoppolo.
I had him as a sleeper in start set.
I didn't have him ranked high enough.
The one I'll probably end up regretting, not that I would have probably put him in my top 12,
but behind Sam Darnold, you know feel silly after after last and i
had them back to back donald 15 and garoppolo 16 look i mean arizona can really make kyle allen
look good right i mean arizona's terrible uh against the past garoppolo took it right but
you know and patrick peterson getting a horrible game by the way gosh he was really yeah that it
did not look like Patrick Peterson at all.
I've never seen him play like that.
Yeah, it was bad.
But this is going to come down to just the 49ers not being able to run it as effectively as they like.
Now they know they can turn to Garoppolo.
He bought himself a lot of cred with Kyle Jackson.
This is making them, you know, there's three legit teams.
You could throw the Vikings in there, too.
But there's three legit teams in the NFC that are legit Super Bowl contenders.
The 49ers, the Saints, and the Packers.
I still think the Saints and Packers are better than the 49ers.
I like the Saints.
But if this Jimmy Garoppolo shows up rest of season,
they may be better than both those teams because their defense is on par.
Yeah.
I mean, you could argue that this Jimmy Garoppolo has basically been there.
He just hasn't had the pass attempts and he didn't,
maybe not this.
Well,
he's had some bad luck.
He's had some bad luck,
you know,
some touchdowns called back and it probably would have looked as made
season look a little bit different,
but still his,
uh,
you know,
if they allow him to,
to,
you know,
be 30 plus attempts consistently,
he's going to be a winner more times than not.
All right.
Final question here.
We got to wrap it up.
Uh,
so Dave,
how,
how much do you think Larry Fitzgerald,
91% on Christian Kirk, 91% owned,
Christian Kirk, 78% owned, do you think they need to be owned going forward?
I don't think so.
I think we saw that Arizona could move the chains without those guys. And I almost think that there was a decision made in the second half
to get away from Christian Kirk.
You saw a little bit more from Keyshawn Johnson and then Andy Isabella.
Finally, Andy Isabella made a play.
Um, awesome run, catch and run late in the game when, uh, Mosley, I think it was Mosley
tried to go for the interception and, uh, led to a touchdown and a backdoor cover for
Arizona.
Uh, I, I think it's more about Kyler Murray and Murray can just turn it loose to any of
his receivers and they can do well.
Um, it's nice that Christian Kirk had the most targets with five but something just wasn't right about
him in this game yeah I give it one more week before you cut them just because Tampa Bay next
week so I I'd wait to see are you sure that they're going to see a big boost in volume but
Kirk usually I mean Kirk has been such a high volume target guy that I'm not getting away from
him in terms of owning him before the Tampa Bay.
And I'm not going to run out and say Andy Isabella's time is here and he's done great.
He's made one great play.
No, I mean, look, Christian Kirk had 25% of the targets.
Kyler Murray just didn't throw a lot.
He only threw 24 passes.
So I do think you need to be patient with Kirk and maybe even Fitzgerald
because Tampa Bay is that bad against wide receivers.
Fitzgerald's a different story, though,
just because you've seen enough of a sample size with him.
Kirk coming back from the injury,
it's the second game after being out for a couple weeks on a short week
against a good defense, so I'm not going to say he's in a bad spot just yet.
But Fitzgerald, there's enough of a sample size now.
Since week three, he's been terrible.
All right, that's San Francisco 28, Arizona 25.
The game did not exactly play out as many of us thought it would,
but I dropped Zane Gonzalez, and I feel pretty good about that.
Five points for Zane Gonzalez.
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and notes. What do you think about Mahomes
this week? Is he playing?
I don't think so. Not yet. Yeah, I'd be surprised. and notes. What do you think about Mahomes this week? Is he playing?
I don't think so.
Not yet. Yeah, I'd be surprised.
Devontae Adams is making progress. Do you think he's playing?
I hope so.
Oh, me too, baby.
Limited two days in a row in practice.
Yeah, we'll find out today. My guess is game time
decision. Aaron Jones has
a shoulder issue, but he should be fine.
They do have a good home game, though, this week.
That's right. At the Chargers.
In that little
10-person arena.
Aaron Jones has a shoulder issue, but he's expected
to be fine. Yeah. He's been limited
so far this week, too. James Connor
and Benny Snell both mispracticed.
Jalen Samuels is $5,000.
Snell's out two to six weeks.
Sorry. James Connor mispracticed. Jalen Samuels is $5,000. Well, Snell's out two to six weeks. Sorry. James Conner mispracticed.
Jalen Samuels, $5,000 on FanDuel.
If Conner's out, he's going to be in everybody's lineup.
It's going to be him and Walton.
It'll be fun to see the race for those two guys.
Who would you rather have if Conner's out?
Samuels.
But I think Walton's price is cheap enough that he should be really good as well.
T.Y. Hilton has a calf issue.
This is a serious concern, right, for his availability?
Yes.
Didn't practice on Thursday.
Got to see what happens on Friday.
If he doesn't practice again, he'd probably turn a little bit more toward unlikely to play,
even if they list him as questionable.
So that's one that we got to watch.
And if he doesn't play, you can't
trust Brissette, right?
I don't think you can trust Brissette either way,
but obviously not if there's no
Hilton. Would you consider
Zach Pascal a sleeper?
In fact, he was bad in the one game he played
without Hilton, but they
barely threw the ball in that game. That was the Chiefs
game. They ran it a lot.
Not this week. Yeah. Okay.
But Eric Ebron's also banged up too.
That's right.
Le'Veon Bell wants the ball, so he's going to get it.
And he's going to take the ball and he's going to score.
That's my hazard.
Yeah, he's going to get it this week.
I hope he gets it.
Oh, yeah.
Josh Jacobs dealing with a shoulder injury.
Should be fine.
But he did come off the field kind of grimacing with that shoulder last week,
so it's something to keep an eye on.
He was dealing with it going into the game, too,
and they sort of limited his playing time.
Delaney Walker missed practice.
We're hoping for Johnnie Smith.
Deshaun Jackson practiced.
Probably going to play.
Is that fair, Deshaun?
Trending in the right direction.
Sterling Shepard's trending in the right direction.
He's got a Monday night game, but he practiced in full.
He just has to get out of the concussion protocol.
Will Fuller's out.
Marquise Brown was limited in practice.
Still, I mean, the word has been that he's expected to play
coming out of the bye, Marquise Brown.
Chris Thompson mispracticed, so that's not a good sign.
Cameron Brait got in a limited session.
Who was the guy you were debating?
Thompson and Singletary?
Yeah.
Thank you for making that decision for me.
Cameron Brait limited in practice,
and Seattle is just awful against
tight ends, and Cameron Brait got
six targets last week
at Tennessee. He was also bad against tight ends, but
I think Seattle's actually worse.
So is Cameron Brait, even after a disappointing
game, is he back in the sleeper discussion?
Yeah, of course. And it's a high
scoring game, so there's always a chance that he can come
down with a touchdown, and that's what you're hoping for with Braid, is that he scores. I think he's got just as good of a chance as any of the other tight ends ranked after the big seven or so in our rankings.
Josh Gordon can be claimed off waivers, not only in your fantasy league, but now in the NFL. Do you want to add Josh Gordon? He's 44% owned. Deeper leagues, you should, for sure. If you have an open roster spot,
I don't think it's a bad idea in any format, but
I don't think it's, oh my
God, I have to get Josh Gordon. If there's somebody on your team
that you don't think is going to help you,
then you cut him and pick up Gordon.
What I did in one of my leagues is I
picked him up with the idea being that I'll
find out what his status is by
4 o'clock on Friday, because that's
when the waiver claims will process and if a team claimed
him, he'll be on a new team and then I'll know
whether or not I want to keep him or not. And if
he doesn't get claimed, I can cut him.
Go get the player that I dropped him for. Just get him back
on my team. But you have to have that empty roster
spot. You can't cut somebody who's
decent or better.
Kenny Stills comes to mind for me.
We talked about him yesterday. Just like 80%
owned. And I think anybody that's going into a buy in week 10 that you don't need is easily cuttable.
Case Keenum still in the concussion protocol,
and Joe Flacco is out four to six weeks with a bulging disc in his neck.
By four to six weeks, you mean the rest of the season.
Do you expect the following players?
Eric E. Ron at Pittsburgh.
As of now, sure.
But he popped up on the injury report.
Didn't practice with an ankle on Thursday.
You'll have a better idea with your mailbag show.
There you go.
We'll give you the update this afternoon.
Well, tomorrow you'll hear it.
Trey Carson at Oakland.
Yep.
Adam Thielen at Kansas City.
It'd be nice if he wasn't there, though.
Yeah, it would be.
Adam Thielen at Kansas City.
I think he'll play.
He says he can play, but he says it's not up to him.
So I wonder what that means in terms of are they going to clear him.
D.D. Westbrook against Houston.
I made the trip, so that's a good sign.
Yeah, I want to go to London.
Adrian Peterson at Buffalo.
Why don't you go now?
What a great time to go.
Yeah.
I think Peterson plays.
Yeah.
All right.
Even with his bad ankles.
I want to get into the games a little bit quicker than we did yesterday.
So let me just go through.
We'll do a quick run through on these stats to know for today's games.
Chargers are facing the Packers at home.
Red zone targets for the Chargers.
Mike Williams has 10.
Keenan Allen has 9.
Mike Williams has only 2 catches in the red zone.
He has 5 catches inside the 10.
5 targets inside the 10 and only 1 catch.
Whereas Keenan Allen has 7 catches inside the 10 and 4 catches.
So Mike Williams is getting the targets.
He's just not getting the catches,
but that's,
that could mean that positive regression is coming in that case.
He's also been getting a ton of air yards.
So everything points to him eventually breaking out and having a big game.
Doesn't mean it's going to happen this week.
Yeah,
it could be maybe going to need some,
I think,
you know what he,
you know what he is at this point.
He's a number three receiver,
Mike Williams.
There'll be,
there'll be a couple of big, big games coming, but there'll probably be some more duds
as well. One of many receivers
with a 10-point PPR
floor. I don't think
he's someone I'd draw for Josh Gordon, though.
Mike Williams? No. No. Definitely
not. Derek Henry has been a top
20 running back in PPR
only once in his last
six games. But that was his only once in his last six games.
But that was his best matchup in those six games,
and I think he's probably getting his second best matchup in that stretch
this week against the Packers.
He's had some rough scheduling.
Panthers.
Yes, Panthers.
Sorry.
Derrick Henry.
He's had a rough schedule, but I'm going to say he finishes top 20 in PPR this week.
But I just want to bring that up.
One week of the last six top 20 finish for Derrick Henry in PPR.
This is an interesting week for that Panthers defense
because they got embarrassed in a bad way against the run.
And so is it sell out against the run and make Ryan Tannehill beat you,
much like the Cardinals did to the 49ers?
And I think that's going to be the case.
Probably, right.
And they'll feel more comfortable doing it.
You're not benching Derrick Henry by any stretch,
but I don't think he's a good fan duel running back this week.
Okay.
Russell Wilson has four games with less than 30 pass attempts,
and he's had three bad games in those four.
He's had four games with 33 or more pass attempts,
and he's had three great games in those four.
So is there any rhyme or reason?
Well, opponents are scoring 20 points per game
in Wilson's four games with less than 30 pass attempts.
In his four games with 33 or more passes,
opponents are scoring 27 points per game.
So maybe you have to think about how many points are the Bucs going to put up
because, listen, the matchup's great for Wilson,
but he has had bad games against the Bengals, Cardinals, and Falcons this year.
The matchups don't even matter.
It's the pass attempts that matter more because he's that good.
He can beat anybody, you know?
It's kind of an interesting way to look at Wilson.
I think you're going to see the Tampa Bay offense do what the Tampa Bay offense does.
They'll be right around 25 points.
It'll be a 300-2-2 game for Jameis.
And so I think they'll push the tempo enough that the Seahawks will throw
probably a little bit more.
Plus, it's hard to run on Tampa Bay.
I mean, we've said that time and time again that, you know,
you're not benching Chris Carson,
but this is not going to be an easy game for him to get his number.
He's not a top-10 running back.
This is a scenario where Russell Wilson, I mean,
he may use Carson in the passing game too, so
I don't think anybody's benching Carson.
But yeah, I think Wilson
will be fine. I wouldn't worry about him.
Yeah, but it is just interesting. But Tampa
Bay has been scoring fairly well. 23
or more points in five straight games. Carson Wentz
15 or fewer fantasy points
in six point per passing touchdown leagues
in three of his last four games.
And in those three bad games,
he has failed to reach 30 pass attempts or 200 yards.
So he's another guy we have to think about.
What's the score?
Is it going to be a close game?
He's been in a lot of lopsided games.
Let's see what happens against the Bears.
Might be another lopsided game.
He might not have to throw that much.
The only weird one in that stretch for me is the Jets game
because that was their defense score twice,
or they had two DST touchdowns, defensive touchdowns, whatever it was.
Non-offensive.
Non-offensive scores, right.
And so I think you look at it, he's had a tough stretch,
three straight road games, they're back home.
I don't think the Bears defense is playing as well as it did last year.
I don't think that's a big surprise.
And so I think this is a bounce back game for him.
So I think he's a good start.
Really?
Okay, good.
I'm looking forward to talking about that game.
I like him if Deshaun plays.
I think if Deshaun Jackson plays, it puts him into the top 12.
Yeah, I think he doesn't need Deshaun Jackson to have success this week either way.
Well, look, the Bears run defense.
It's the yardage that worries me.
The Bears run defense has been struggling lately, and
Jordan Howard actually has the third most
carries inside the five-yard line
in the NFL. Jordan Howard,
third most. He has eight carries inside the
five-yard line. Miles Sanders has
two carries, and they were both in week
one. So all that goal line work
going to Howard. Couple more notes real quick.
Jamal Williams didn't have a ton of touches, but he
had a one-yard rushing touchdown and a three-yard receiving touchdown last week at Kansas City.
It's kind of interesting that he got the work near the goal line.
Aaron Jones will get a lot of that too.
And Minnesota has already allowed five quarterbacks
to score 18 or more fantasy points, which isn't a huge number,
but five quarterbacks have scored 18 or more fantasy points
against the Vikings this year,
six points per passing touchdown leagues.
Last year, only three quarterbacks did that all season,
and two of them did that when Everson Griffin was out.
So those are just some little factoids for you to take into your week
and maybe into your FanDuel lineup.
Yeah, like you look at Minnesota, right, in that game against the Chiefs,
Stephon Diggs is expensive.
If Thielen plays, I'm not going to play him.
If Thielen doesn't play, he might be my favorite high-end wide receiver,
or maybe Devontae Adams if he comes back as well.
I got Kenny Galladay in my lineup because I really like him against Oakland,
and he's high-end, but he's not super, super expensive.
I already said yesterday I was going to fan duel Robbie Anderson.
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You don't have them on any of your seasonal teams.
All right, whatever.
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You go to our contest, which is fanduel.com slash league slash
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as much money. Whatever you want to do. You can make kind of safer lineups. You can make high
upside lineups. I wouldn't mind a Darnold,ndon Anderson Bell stack. I really think that could work this week. Could be terrible,
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to FanDuel.com slash FFT, FanDuel.com slash FFT, or download the FanDuel app. Okay, let's beat the
waiver wire, and then we'll get into the games. Next week, we got a lot of buys.
Texans, Pats, Broncos, Jags, Eagles, Redskins, all on buy.
And some DSTs for you to consider.
Detroit is at Chicago.
Yes, the Colts.
They have the Dolphins, right?
At home.
Yes.
And they're 48% owned.
Pick them up. 48% owned. The Ravens are at the Bengals. they're 48% owned. Pick them up.
48% owned.
The Ravens are at the Bengals.
They're 51% owned.
Two great DSTs if you have a roster spot.
Bengals and Colts.
Who else can we pick up?
Derek Carr has the Chargers.
Here's the thing about the Chargers. Don't give up a ton of points to quarterbacks.
But yards per attempt, they're one of the worst in the NFL.
They just don't see a lot of passes,
but maybe Derek Carr can keep up a hot streak.
You could look at Chris Herndon
against the Giants. I think
people should pick up Chris Herndon now, guys.
What do you think?
Is now the right time?
I mean, we've been saying it since
two games before our suspension, so
since week four. He's got a good chance to play this week,
and schedule's great. So Herndon, two games before his suspension, so since week four. He's got a good chance to play this week.
And schedule's great.
So Herndon, maybe Cameron Bray. Giants have actually been good against Ted Enzo.
Yeah, six fewest fantasy points.
A lot of good ones. Exactly.
I just think you should pick
him up in general. But Cameron Bray, look,
if O.J. Howard's out, Cameron Bray gets Arizona
next week. That could be nice.
And you can use Bray this week, too.
Yeah, that's a good two-week solution.
I have Ryan Tannehill against Tennessee in my notes,
but he plays for Tennessee.
I think he plays Tampa Bay, right?
Tannehill against Tampa Bay next week, pretty sure.
No, Arizona plays Tampa Bay next week.
Tennessee next week has Kansas City at home.
Okay, there you go.
I knew we had a good matchup.
And then Cam Newton.
Cam Newton's 44% owned.
And he's at Green Bay next week, but he's Cam Newton.
Wow.
Sterling Shepard's 68%.
Great's out there in 70% of leagues, Adam.
Yeah, I don't know if OJ Howard's missing this week or next week,
but if he is, Cameron Bray could be solid for you.
Jonu Smith, like, man, don't you just wish Jonu Smith...
If Jonu Smith were out and Delaney Walker were in,
compared to vice versa, don't you just want Jonnie Smith... If Johnnie Smith were out and Delaney Walker were in, compared to vice versa,
don't you just want Johnnie Smith to have that job?
Wouldn't you just be higher on him than Walker?
Yeah, for sure.
They should use them both when they play
and just keep Delaney Walker in line more often
and let Johnnie Smith play in that receiver role.
It might be worth your time to pick up Jack Doyle now, too,
just in case he runs out and they get the Dolphins next week.
That's a good point.
That's excellent.
Yeah.
Okay, Green Bay is at the Chargers.
Wait, let me just say this.
If Hilton and Ebron are out, where are you going to rank Jack Doyle this week?
Top 12.
Top 12 in PPR.
Yeah, just outside that.
I mean, the Steelers' defense is good.
Okay, here we go. Let's go to the game. Six to preview. I mean, the Steelers' defense is good. Okay, here we go.
Let's go to the game.
Six to preview.
Green Bay at the Chargers.
Your stat of the game.
The Packers allow the eighth highest passing yards per attempt.
I don't know if I should say eighth highest or eighth most.
But they give up a lot of yards per attempt.
And Phillip Rivers has the seventh most attempts per game in the NFL.
Rivers has been a little frustrating.
What do you think about him this week?
I don't think he's bad.
I don't have him as a top 12 quarterback.
I have him 13.
But the one I'm toying with now is him over Brady.
Is that Brady at 12?
I think it's going to be a situation where it's a high-scoring game
and they're chasing points.
And so it's just a matter of who's getting the touchdowns.
Are they going to give the short area touchdowns to their running backs?
Most likely Gordon,
or is it going to be,
he's having to throw a lot late in the game.
So I don't,
if,
if you've stuck with rivers,
this stretch of games where he's been up and down,
mostly down,
I wouldn't get away from this week.
I think he's a sneaky DFS quarterback.
And,
you know,
again,
the,
the Packers have given up some, some good games to quarterbacks of late.
I mean, look, Matt Moore put 22 on him last week.
What do you think the impact is of the offensive coordinator change?
That's a big question.
It's a really big question.
I wonder if it doesn't even matter this week, though, just because of what's going to—
if the game goes as I think most people logically would look at it and say,
Packers score on this Chargers defense. Where
is the Chargers offense coming from?
They're going to try to run early, establish the run
and get an edge of time of possession.
But I think in the end of the game, it's going
to be in Rivers' hands having to throw the ball. So I
think he falls into a good production by the end of the week.
Yeah, right. It's four straight
weeks really where the Packers have given up
some fantasy points. 25
to Wentz, 26 to Prescott I think
22 ish to the Raiders guys and same like right around there with with more as well uh all right
so the Chargers running backs but these you know I'm not so sure that we have a good defense on the
field here at Green Bay in Los Angeles there could be uh there could be a lot of... This could be a big one.
Wait a minute.
I could play this music for like five games today.
I'm not declaring anything.
I'm not even sure
I want to do a Bonanza.
I might just play this music
when I'm feeling happy.
This game makes me happy.
But are Melvin Gordon
and Austin Eckler
going to make fantasy owners
happy this week?
I think Gordon's got a shot
because of how bad
this Packers run defense
has been and i know that they ultimately had nice numbers against kansas city but
they i don't think that that could they've given up over 100 rushing yards or a touchdown to a
running back in feels like every game since week two or maybe week three since week two yeah so
that combined with the fact that the chargers want to run the football more,
theoretically, because they got rid of Wisenhunt,
leads me to believe that there's a good chance for Melvin Gordon this week.
And his price in DFS happens to actually be very low.
I've got to look it up to see what it is on FanDuel, but I'm going to use him.
Here it is, $6,300 on FanDuel.
Oh, that's pretty good.
Nice cheap price for him.
And don't be surprised if he gets a couple of catches out of the backfield too.
I think you're going to see him get a lot of work
and I think you'll see Eckler...
I'm hoping that Eckler
sees an uptick in work after what happened last
week, but I don't know if it's going to be
toward the double digits.
Yeah, he's definitely had
tougher matchups.
Denver, Pittsburgh, Tennessee
and Chicago. Green Bay will be the easiest matchup,
although Chicago's been a little vulnerable.
So how would you rank the running backs in this game?
Jones, Gordon, Williams, Eckler.
I'll go back and forth on Eckler and Williams.
I'll flip Williams and Eckler and PPR.
Yeah, I go back and forth with those two at the bottom,
but I agree with the first two.
How do you feel about starting Eckler and Jamal Williams?
Again, they're better in PPR than non-PPR,
but I would start Williams regardless
just because of what running backs were missing this week.
Eckler, I'd be a little bit more concerned
about starting him in non-PPR.
Let's do the Jalen Samuels and Mark Walton lines.
Let's say Conner's out. How many of these guys are ahead of the Jalen Samuels and Mark Walton lines. So let's say Conor's out.
How many of these guys are ahead of the Jalen Samuels line?
Just Jones and Gordon.
So you would go Gordon?
I think only Jones.
I think I would take Jalen Samuels ahead of Gordon if he's the only guy in Pittsburgh.
I'm just trying to think.
Definitely in PPR.
I know I've been saying all week top 15 for Samuels, and I have Gordon right around 15.
Okay.
Yeah, probably Samuels over Gordon.
Where's Walton? Where's Waldo?
Walton's ahead of the bottom two guys.
Williams and Eckler.
I feel the same way about Walton.
We had a very cute Where's Waldo costume last night
by the way. Just want to let you know.
For you?
I was sort of in on it.
I'm actually wearing the same shirt
uh i wore a red shirt you didn't change after going trick-or-treating last night i didn't go
trick-or-treating so i felt like i could re-wear the shirt that's also laundry day friday friday
and saturday are laundry days uh i'm disgusting you are the smelliest human being so keenan allen
how much do you trust keenan Allen and or Mike Williams this week?
Trust is a tough word with these guys at this point.
Yeah, it is.
I think you're starting Keenan Allen by default.
It's the FOMO effect of fear of missing out, of him having a breakout game.
Is that what it is with Odell, too?
No.
I kind of feel like it's the same thing with both of them.
No, because Odell
is not just struggling.
He's got tough matchups.
Like, this is somewhat
of a tough matchup,
but nowhere near
what Odell's facing.
So, I would take my chances
with Keenan Allen
over Odell Beckham
10 out of 10.
Yeah, I mean,
this has been
a somewhat tough matchup.
They give up the 12th
fewest fantasy points
to wide receivers.
Allen Robinson,
Thielen, Diggs, Sutton,
Jeffrey, Tyreek Hill,
all 7 to 10 fantasy points in non-PPR, which is a
good but not great game. You'll probably take that
from Keenan Allen. It's worth starting.
It's worth starting.
Four wide receivers have had
kind of big PPR games.
Two Cowboys, Allen Robinson and Kenny
Galladay. Okay, and then
Mike Williams is a flex at best.
Yep.
Yes.
Okay, moving on.
Oh, Hunter Henry, top three.
Green Bay allows the fifth most fantasy points to tight ends.
This is actually a guy I think is worth the price on FanDuel and Hunter Henry.
He just gets a lot of targets, and he's very good.
His price is shooting up, though.
It didn't feel astronomical to me.
No?
Well, okay.
Yeah, I don't know.
It was the last position I picked on my FanDuel lineup
that I did this morning, and I had the money,
and I was like, okay, let's do it.
So let's go to the Packers.
Aaron Rodgers is top seven.
You're starting Aaron Rodgers.
He's just been on fire, and you're starting him.
Aaron Jones, a must-start.
Jamal Williams or Mike Williams?
I will definitely take Jamal in non-PPR.
I think there's probably a slightly higher ceiling with Jamal in PPR
just for the touchdowns.
Yeah.
I mean,
you see if,
if Devante Adams is out,
that's an easy win for me.
I'll go Jamal Williams.
If Adams is in,
then does he throw to his running backs as much?
So yeah,
right.
Which would not,
okay.
Not going to sit Aaron Jones,
but maybe could affect him a little bit.
But so if Devante Adams is in,
or obviously starting him,
if Devante,
what's the wide receiver scenario for the Packers?
Like, do you like them more
if Devontae Adams actually plays?
No, no.
I didn't have a hard time
trusting any of them.
It's such a weird situation
because there's, you know,
usually when you look at
at the quarterbacks
that are ranked high,
that's either one of two reasons.
One, in Lamar Jackson's case,
he's going to run around
and make plays.
And so it doesn't really matter
who he's thrown to.
In Aaron Rodgers' case, it's just he's going to run around and make plays and so it doesn't really matter who he's thrown to in aaron rogers case it's just he's using everybody so there's no rhyme or reason to this being a valdez gantling week a kumar or week maybe an allison week this
could be one of the games where jimmy graham the ball sticks in his hands in the end zone
the running backs are catching passes it's just he's using everybody matt laflora's you know you
talk about cliff kingsbury's offense matt laflore's offense is better because he has a better quarterback and so well he's also doing a great job of utilizing
the running backs but having the running back snatch passes it's it's it's different though
when you have that guy calling plays not that kyler murray is playing awful but you know when
you have arguably the best guy in the league making those decisions it's different so i think
you just look at Rodgers is fantastic,
and it's a dart throw with the other guys,
aside from Jones and Williams.
Okay, and then talk to me about how you feel about Jimmy Graham,
who gets a lot of red zone, green zone targets
without Devontae Adams in there.
How do you feel about Graham?
Green's inside the 10.
Oh, okay.
I've given up on Magenta, but Green's own I think should stick.
For you.
He's in that same conversation as whether I like him more or not,
but Fels and Johnnie Smith and TJ Hawkinson and Cameron Braid.
Can't you touch him?
Right.
I'll say, you probably hear me say this a lot,
if you've been sticking with him all this time
and no Devonta Adams, I'd stick with him.
If Adams plays, then I would try and find
Brate or Janu or somebody else on waivers
just because I think it'll be a downtick
in him in terms of targets.
Okay, and Green Bay's DST is in play.
Top 12 for Dave and Jamie.
And not for Heath, 18th for Heath.
Sit the Chargers.
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All right, we're going to have Dave and Jamie
hop over to the audio booth.
Can I give you something first before,
just because it beat the waiver wire stuff?
Yeah.
So according to Josina Anderson, Cam Newton is headed to Green Bay to visit a foot specialist, Dr. Robert Anderson.
And Ian Rappaport says that football is probably a long way off for Cam Newton.
Okay.
Does not appear to be getting better.
Oh, no.
What a bummer.
What a bummer.
All right.
Well, that stinks. And we will talk about Carolina
a little bit later. And yeah,
let's get to Minnesota and Kansas City as
Dave and Jamie transport.
Minnesota is at Kansas City.
Here we go.
Start of the game. Oh, this is cool. Only
one wide receiver has more than 77
yards against the Chiefs in their last seven games. And in their last six games, only Kenny Holliday has caught a game. Oh, this is cool. Only one wide receiver has more than 77 yards against the Chiefs in their last seven games.
And in their last six games, only Kenny Holiday has caught a touchdown.
Oh, my gosh.
What does that mean to you?
Not a lot.
Okay.
Okay.
Maybe that's supposed to make me nervous about using Thielen and Diggs, but there's absolutely no way I'm going to tell anybody to not use them.
You know what their potential is from game to game.
You've seen it the last three weeks from Diggs,
and Thielen's a touchdown magnet.
So Diggs has 140 or more yards, three straight games,
and four or five games with more than 100.
The problem is I think they've only had one game where they've both been good.
And I'm not counting the Green Bay game
where Diggs had one catch for 49 yards and a touchdown.
So if Thielen plays,
are they both still must-start guys?
It's the same like the Tampa Bay guys
because I don't think they've played well at the same time.
I have two games where they both played well together.
I just think you're starting them with the hope where they both played well together. I just think you're starting
them with the hope that they both deliver quality games. They may not be 100 and a touchdown for
each of them, but maybe one gets 80, maybe one gets the 100 and a touchdown. They're just too
good and there's too much potential to get away from either one. Now, if you have both, that's
the tough question. I don't know how many people are in that scenario, but I would still lean
toward Thielen more times than not because he's been more consistent. I don't know how many people are in that scenario, but I would still lean toward Thielen more times than not
because he's been more consistent.
Okay.
Sticking with the Vikings,
well, actually just this game in general,
do you think either Matt Moore or Kirk Cousins
are start-worthy quarterbacks?
I think Cousins is just by virtue of his receivers.
Cousins, for me, is the same way I feel about Rivers.
I don't think he's a must-start quarterback,
but it's the situation where he's been playing so well.
Are you going to get last week's game where he's basically just managing the game and you know,
they're just easy coast to victory,
right?
Or is it a situation where he's having to throw or just beat up on a bad
defense?
Now I don't think the chiefs are a bad defense.
They've been better the last few weeks.
Like I don't,
I don't think what they did against Aaron Rogers indication of how they've been playing because that's
a great quarterback. They're getting Chris Jones back. That's going to help the pass rush.
So I think Cousins is a borderline starter. I wouldn't necessarily rush to put him in my lineup.
I do think that pass rush was already good. They had been playing
well without Chris Jones. And now getting Chris Jones back, it's going to be a challenge for that offensive
line. They're going to have to use
play action in the boot game,
get Cousins moving out of the pocket,
which he can do. Are you going with Cousins
or Phillip Rivers?
I have Cousins ahead of
Rivers. Yeah, I'll take Rivers over.
Alright. Yeah, Dave's higher. Dave has
Cousins 8th and Jamie has him 14th and Heath has
him 17th. This has typically
been a tough place for quarterbacks to play,
but the last two quarterbacks who have gone to Arrowhead
have had good games.
That was Watson and Rodgers, for what that's worth,
and Watson really needed his rushing totals.
Dalvin Cook's a must-start.
Alexander Madison.
Dalvin Cook should have a monster game.
Any interest in Madison?
Deeper leagues.
By-league replacement? any interest in Madison? Deeper leagues. He's, you know, bi-week replacement.
He's been above
50,
at least 52 rushing yards
in four of his last six games.
He just doesn't do much with it.
Right.
So, non-PPR,
desperate flex,
floor of five points,
I think that's fair.
Yeah.
If he scores,
you'll be thrilled.
One touchdown, three catches this year.
You talked about Josh Gordon.
If there's an open rush upon your team, go just pick him up.
If something, God forbid, happens to Dava Cook,
this guy's going to win your league.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a good call.
Chiefs are terrible against running backs.
4.94 yards per carry to running backs.
We talked about Thielen and Diggs.
Not going to start a tight end for the Vikings.
So we go over to Matt Moore.
And where do you guys have Matt Moore ranked this week?
Well outside the top 12.
I've got him 18th.
He's a good two-quarterback super flex guy this week.
I mean, you know, two of the last three quarterbacks against Minnesota,
at least 24 fantasy points.
The one not doing it was last week with Washington.
You know, I think what you saw last week is encouraging, 22 fantasy points from him.
You know, they're probably going to be throwing a lot in this game.
I think he's not bad if you're stuck.
Yeah, and Minnesota, like, they just give up touchdowns.
They don't give up a lot of yards, but they give up touchdowns.
That's kind of the deal.
And like I said, they've already been, they've just been significantly worse against quarterbacks
and wide receivers than they were last season.
Can you trust a Chiefs running back this week?
And let's compare them to, say, Jamal Williams, who's really a gamble.
No question.
Would you start either Chiefs running back over Jamal Williams?
I feel like Williams is a safer gamble than either of the Chiefs running backs. Yeah, he's going to play probably as much
as those other guys. But my guess is
McCoy will probably have more touches. But you've been harping on this, Adam,
that the fumble last week, who knows if
that comes back to haunt McCoy? That's the biggest issue for me is
we don't know who's going to do what from week to week.
Yeah, I really don't want to start that.
It's another team, probably.
It's safe to say it's a hot-hand approach with three guys.
It's never been just McCoy and Damian Williams.
Daryl Williams has gotten involved, too.
Yeah, and look, it's not an easy matchup, either.
The Vikings allow the fifth-fewest fantasy points.
They haven't had to face a lot of good running backs, I'll say that,
but they are good
against the run so far.
So yeah, it's just,
it's ugly.
Would you start,
would you start Sammy Watkins?
Because everybody's going to start
Tyreek at least top 10
in non-PPR, top 12 in PPR.
Would you start Sammy Watkins
over a Chiefs running back?
Yeah.
I think I would in full PPR,
assuming that I couldn't find somebody on another team.
Like, these are strictly my options.
Okay.
And then Travis Kelsey.
Nobody's starting McColl Hardman, right?
No, too much of a gamble.
You can start...
If you're running that low at receiver,
that's the type of start that you have to make you can start hunter henry over travis kelsey maybe darren
waller but for the most part travis kelsey's top five and you're going to be starting travis kelsey
and what do you think about the vikings dst It's okay. They might be able to get a couple of sacks.
Maybe a pick.
They're just so disappointing for what the expectations are all the time.
Right.
They're one of those teams that are just so good defensively,
they just don't get the counting stats that you look for.
I blame Xavier Rhodes.
Step it up, Xavier Rhodes.
Dallas is at the Giants.
Stat of the game.
All right, Michael Gallup.
I don't know how many tough calls there are in this game,
although I would say the receivers are tough other than Cooper.
Michael Gallup has had seven or more targets in four of five games.
Seven or more targets.
There have been seven wide receivers with seven or more targets against the Giants.
Six of them have had 95 or more yards.
The other was John Brown.
He had seven catches for 72 yards.
You get seven targets against the Giants,
you're going to have a good game.
Gallup's trending in the wrong direction a little bit.
Starter sit Michael Gallup.
I'm starting him because of the matchup specifically.
He's basically a must-start guy.
I don't know if he's going to for sure get seven targets.
I think game flow will be dependent on that,
but I still can't take the chance of him.
I know he's been bad the last couple of weeks.
This Giants defense is terrible.
I think that he can find some room to run against them.
He's a number two receiver this week.
Okay.
Would you start him over Beckham?
I currently have Beckham two spots ahead of Gallup in PPR.
Yeah, I'll take Gallup.
Yeah, I can see that.
That's not close.
Right.
Okay, would you start him over Keenan Allen?
Same thing.
It's closer in PPR, but I would start him over Allen, yes.
You would?
Okay, so Gallup's a start.
Cooper's a start.
What about Tate and Shepard?
I love Tate.
I love Tate. If Shepard is out, I would be a little bit more nervous about Tate if Shepard. I love Tate. I love Tate if Shepard is out. I would be
a little bit more nervous about Tate if Shepard plays
because now you're talking about more targets to be
spread around with Evan Ingram and Barkley and so
he would go from a number two receiver to a number
three receiver. Well, does it hurt Darius Slayton
more than it hurts Golden Tate? Well, it obviously hurts
Slayton, but I mean Shepard's a much better player
at this point than Slayton is. Well, we only have one
game with Tate and Shepard on the field at the same time
and Tate had three catches for 13 yards on six targets.
It was his first game after the suspension,
and I think it was against the Vikings.
It was.
Dallas, though, they give up the fourth-fewest fantasy points
to wide receivers.
They don't give up huge games.
Like, Sterling Shepard had six for 42.
McLaurin had five for 62 and a touch.
Michael Thomas had nine for 95. The Jets
wide receivers had big games.
Yeah, the reason you like Golden Tate this
week, or you should like Golden Tate, is the amount
of targets he's been getting. It's not going to be the case of Shepard
Poise. How much
does it go down, though? Because he's been getting
last three games, 9, 11,
and 10 targets. Yeah, I would say
8 is the max.
He'll probably still have a good game.
Here's one thing
about Golden Tate, though.
He has one red zone target,
I believe,
and no targets
inside the 10,
whereas Sterling Shepard
has five red zone targets
and three targets
inside the 10
in four games.
So Tate just seems unlikely
to catch a touchdown.
He's Golden Tate, right?
He's PPR specialist.
Eight targets
is still probably pretty good.
So let's say Shepard plays.
Would you play Golden Tate or Shepard?
Let's start with that.
Tate.
I would take Tate and PPR for sure.
I think I would take Tate and non-PPR.
I'm not that excited about Tate and non-PPR.
I'm not exactly sure where I'm ranked,
but he shouldn't be very high.
And yeah, non-PPR.
I still think this Cowboys defense is good.
It's one of the reasons why I'm not as excited about Daniel Jones this week.
I think they've got a good pass rush, and I think they've got a good secondary.
You guys are not excited about Daniel Jones.
Heath does have him in the top 12, which surprised me a little,
but he has him 10th.
You guys have him around 20th.
And Dallas allows the fourth fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks.
Aaron Rogers and Carson Wentz had single digits against them.
The jury's still out a little bit on the Cowboys defense,
but it's healthy now.
They're healthy.
They should steamroll the giants and Prescott is top three for you guys.
Top two, second for Jamie, Second for Heath. First for Dave.
So start Dak Prescott.
Start Barkley.
Start Zeke.
Start Cooper.
Start Ingram.
He's like sixth-list or so in the rankings.
How about Jason Whitten?
And yeah, Whitten or Jimmy Graham?
How about that?
Whitten.
I believe I have Whitten a little bit higher than Graham.
Okay.
But they're the same.
Back to the touchdown or bust tight end conversation.
Cowboys DST is fourth for Jamie, fifth for Dave,
twelfth for Heath.
Not a lot of surprises in this game.
Just those wide receivers I thought were worth talking about.
And Chicago is at Philadelphia.
I have gotten a couple of questions about Tony Pollard.
How does Tony Pollard compare to Alexander Madison?
In terms of a stash, they're the same.
Madison is obviously doing more, so that's why he's a little bit better.
But, you know, they're lottery tickets.
So if you have an open roster spot, stash him also.
I've started stashing Pollard when I couldn't find Madison.
Sorry, this particular game.
We could see Madison getting 50 yards.
Pollard, you can't trust Pollard.
Right.
Okay, Bears and Eagles.
So, stat of the game.
Tariq Cohen has not scored more than 12 fantasy points in PPR all season.
He had 12 in week one.
That's his season high in PPR.
That's Tariq Cohen.
There are currently 23 running backs that average 12 or more PPR fantasy points.
So it's not even that good of a game.
And he has not eclipsed 12 PPR fantasy points.
But I think, Jamie, you gave him as your little surprise player yesterday.
I say the same thing I said about Singletary last week.
The Eagles have struggled with pass catching running backs.
And Cohen in the games where they've been losing for the most part,
it's been four times that they've lost.
Last week was the first time that he failed to get you at least 10 PPR points.
So he's not a must start by any stretch,
but I think he's in a flex play conversation
and in PPR I would actually start him ahead of Montgomery.
And last week they weren't really,
it was more of a closer back and forth game.
It wasn't like they were totally playing
from behind all game long.
We feel kind of icky about the Chiefs running backs.
Do you also feel that way about David Montgomery against Philadelphia?
I mean, in comparison to the Chiefs running backs,
I like Montgomery a lot more,
but I see where you're going with it,
that it's not a slam dunk.
Like, last week for me, the setup was just perfect.
You had Nagy complaining about being criticized
with the seven rush attempts against the Saints.
You had a situation of a good matchup, bad run defense on the other side of the field.
This is not the case at all.
This is a good run defense in Philadelphia.
They don't give up a lot of production on the ground.
And so I think it's going to be tough for Montgomery.
He's not a guy you have to completely run away from.
But I just think it's going to be kind of back to what it was when he was in the struggling mode.
I think he's going to need a touchdown to help your fantasy.
And I agree with that part.
I think he's a low-end number two running back.
I think the Bears did discover, and you go and look at how they played last week,
they used six offensive linemen on a little less than half of his runs.
They used a fullback on a bunch of his runs.
I think that those two things are part of the formula
that they think they need to do in order to get him going.
And against tough run defenses, if you can scheme up those types of plays well,
you're still going to find yardage.
So I'm not going to say get away from David Montgomery is going to be terrible,
but he won't be as good as he was last week.
Adrian Peterson or Montgomery?
I'll go with Montgomery.
Yeah, I'll take Peterson.
How about a Chargers running back?
Both Chargers running backs or Montgomery?
Both.
Both.
Okay.
Jamal Williams?
Yep.
Over Montgomery.
All right.
Jamal Williams or Tariq Cohen?
PPR.
Williams for me.
I will take Williams over Cohen.
What do you think about...
Oh, so we're sitting Trubisky.
He's like 20th in the rankings. What do you think about... Oh, so we're sitting Trubisky. He's like 20th in the rankings.
What do you think about the wide receivers
for the Bears in this game?
It's just Allen Robinson.
They have one great one and then a bunch of turds.
Well, Anthony Miller's been okay.
I just don't think anybody wants to start a guy
that's got nine-point PPR potential.
Yeah.
And I know it's a favorable matchup for him.
And I don't think Trubisky was
particularly terrible last week, but
it's just tough to trust him.
He was particularly terrible last week.
The fact that they're having him
watch TV to check
his mannerisms, I mean, he's
a disaster right now.
There's been talk about him getting benched, maybe not
necessarily from the Bears, but from the media.
Right, I don't think the Bears have the chutzpah to do that at this point.
They do have a decent backup.
Well, I mean, you're admitting that you failed on it,
trading up for a guy that you could have stayed with.
But at the same time, not letting him make a play
when they have 40 seconds left and one timeout,
I think that that says that they don't quite trust him.
Of course they don't.
Right.
All right, but Allen Robinson is a must-start.
Get him in your lineup against the Eagles, who give
up the second-most fantasy points
to wide receivers. Going over to the Philadelphia
side, Carson
Wentz.
There's so many ways to go about this.
The Bears have only allowed seven
touchdown passes in seven games.
There's only one quarterback who scored more
than 15 fantasy
points.
17 fantasy points against them, sorry.
And that's Bridgewater.
They have not faced a lot of good quarterbacks,
but Rivers and Rodgers were bad against the Bears
in terms of fantasy production.
So, yeah, why are we...
Well, Rodgers faced them when they were healthy.
Well, the only guy they're missing is Hicks.
That's a pretty big tackle.
Pressure up the middle.
Well, but that's been
missing, but his absence in
the run game has also been
a huge factor. And I think
Philadelphia kind of realized that they can run.
Last week, they did a great job scheming it up.
Andre Dillard looked more comfortable
at left tackle. And
I wonder if Deshaun Jackson's not playing,
they try to lean on the run game
and try and ball control their way to another win.
See, I think this is a game where Wentz is right around 202, 203.
I think they could throw to their backs too in this game,
so I like the setup for them.
Rivers or Wentz?
Wentz.
I have Wentz higher.
I have Wentz close to a starter. Rivers or Wentz? Wentz. I have Wentz higher. I have Wentz close to a starter. Brady or Wentz?
I have
Brady ranked ahead of him right now. I want to
see if Jimmy Smith comes back, that's
going to make me even more nervous to go with Brady.
And his offensive line could be
a liability.
I don't really get...
Then the Patriots, how are they going to win?
Because it's hard to run on the Ravens,
right? And they can't run the ball to begin
with. And then if they're just...
If Brady's not going to be good, how are they going to
score any points unless their defense does it?
Their best player is going to score
probably two touchdowns with
whether it's Gilmore or McCourty.
Yeah, I don't know. Just Brady...
Wentz over Brady when it doesn't seem like Wentz has a good matchup
is kind of interesting since Brady's been a lot better than Wentz.
I mean, Brady's track record in Baltimore is not good.
Ravens defense is playing better.
I don't think this Bears defense is as good as it's been.
But I also don't know how much Wentz is going to have to throw.
That's the key right there.
Is he going to throw the ball?
How do you feel about...
Yeah, I mean, it's making me like Derek Carr and Jameis Winston
more than both of them, just having this conversation.
Oh, that's an easy one.
Yeah.
How do you feel about Jordan Howard?
He's a great start this week.
I think he is, too.
I love the way that he ran last week in a tough matchup
when they had to run.
That's the other thing. Last week, you almost have give carson wentz a pass because the weather was so bad
the wind was really bad we probably should have mentioned that when we were talking about wentz
sure but the bills knew the eagles were running it at them and they couldn't stop jordan howard
and he's like you mentioned with the uh inside five stat, he's their guy near the goal line.
He has five touchdowns this year inside the three.
Miles Sanders has none.
And you can play the revenge card here with Jordan Howard if you want to.
But I think he gets some good opportunities.
Again, I like him better if there's no Deshaun Jackson.
Melvin Gordon or Jordan Howard?
I have Howard ranked ahead.
And maybe I shouldn't be so...
Howard in non-PPR for sure.
It's closer in PPR because Howard just doesn't catch the ball.
Maybe I shouldn't be so anti-Howard
if Deshaun plays because Deshaun is
going to force the Bears' safeties to play back.
Beckham or Howard?
Howard. Howard in non-PPR.
Howard in both. Probably
Howard in both. Gallup or Howard.
I'm not sure I have it ranked. Who? Gallup. I'll take Howard in both. Probably Howard in both. Gallup or Howard.
Who? Gallup.
I'll take Howard and none.
I'll probably take Gallup and PPR.
Okay.
Do you like Alshon Jeffrey this week?
Don't love him.
He's a good number two receiver.
To me, it feels like he's a number two receiver by default.
Do you like Deshaun Jackson if he plays?
If he plays, he'll be a high-end number three receiver.
Which Eagles tight end are you going with?
Ertz, though.
But Goddard's in that Hawkinson, Brait, Janu conversation.
Who are you starting over Zach Ertz
that is ordinarily like, no way!
Jonu and Fels.
I'm not there yet.
I've got Ertz, Fels, Jonu right now.
And obviously Waller, Henry.
And some studs.
Alright, Bears DST is
in play.
Eagles DST is better.
You guys like them better than
the Bears DST in this game. I've actually started dropping the Eagles DST is better. You guys like them better than the Bears DST in this game.
I've actually started dropping the Bears DST
in the leagues where I had them.
They get Detroit next week, then the Rams,
then the Giants.
Giants will be coming off a bye when they play
them, then the Lions again, then the Cowboys,
then the Packers,
then the Chiefs.
I get you.
We've got to take one more quick break here. We've got two games left. Tampa Bay, Seattle, and Carolina. All right, all right. I get you. I get you. All right, we've got to take
one more quick break here.
We've got two games left.
Tampa Bay, Seattle,
and Carolina, Tennessee.
We'll be right back.
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Tampa Bay and Seattle.
Everybody's going to start.
Russell Wilson.
Starters to Jameis Winston.
I'm starting them.
I know the turnover concerns are legit,
but they can't run the ball,
and they're going to throw a lot.
Okay.
Sit the Tampa Bay running backs, obviously.
And start...
This is easy.
Start both Tampa Bay wide receivers.
It's going to be hard to find great receivers this week.
I don't know. The number two receivers, we talked about this yesterday.
It's not a great week.
There's no question. You've got both those guys in your lineup.
Tyler Lockett is a must start.
What about DK Metcalf in this game? How do you feel about him?
I think he's a sleeper based on...
I think he's a starter.
Top 24? Oh, yeah.
Absolutely. I don't know him as a top 24 guy,
but I think he's a sleeper. He's got 14 targets in the last two games without
Disley. He's been
much more involved the last two weeks.
And so you saw last week the red zone
production up, which was nice to see. The targets
were there for him in the red zone
with the two short area touchdowns the game before
that. He was... When they were chasing points, it was a good situation for him. I mean zone with the two short area touchdowns. The game before that, when they were chasing points,
it was a good situation for him.
This is a bad defense, bad secondary.
Metcalf's numbers are up.
I'd start him over Beckham easily.
Red zone targets have been there all year for him.
He just hadn't caught any.
He was 0 for 9.
He was 0 for 9 last week
and then he caught two touchdowns against Atlanta.
It is another good matchup for him
and he's given you at least 10 PPR points in three of his last four games.
So another receiver that can have a safe floor and has high upside.
So now we're starting Jameis over Brady.
Is that what I heard?
Yeah, I think we're going to get there.
Yeah, I was there all week.
He was there all week.
I'm getting there.
Jameis.
Or let me pull up the rankings.
Jameis or... Jeez, I think we kind of covered everybody. Jameis or let me pull up the rankings. Jameis or, jeez, I think we kind of covered everybody.
Jameis or Minshew?
I'll go Minshew.
Okay.
Anything else in this game?
Cameron Brait.
OJ Howard's out.
You rank Cameron Brait where?
Top 10.
Right there.
Top 12 for me.
High-scoring game expected. He runs a lot of routes. More than John me. High scoring game expected.
He runs a lot of routes. More than
Johnnie Smith, which is kind of crazy.
And just got to
take your chances on him.
More opportunities to score.
Oh, I have Johnnie ranked higher than him too.
They're both top 10 guys. Kind of interesting to see what happens
with Chris Carson here because he's had
four games against tough run defenses
and he has rushed for more
than 65 yards only once in those four tough matchups. He just hasn't really been that good.
And one of those tough matchups was even last week at Atlanta. They actually have a good run
defense and he had a good game. 20 carries, 90 yards and a touchdown. So it's so hard to get
away from Chris Carson, but I guess we should be maybe a little open-minded to it. Would you start Jalen Samuels over him if Conner's out?
No.
I don't think so either.
Okay.
I don't think he's a DFS play for me.
I mean, Bucs allow the fewest yards per carry to running backs.
Legitimately very good run defense.
It's not going to
stop Seattle from trying to run, though.
What sound did I just make?
I was like, that's
going to bring us to our final game.
Carolina
at Tennessee. Just kind of
bummed about this game now with that Cam Newton news.
So, what are we
thinking about?
Ryan Tannehill.
This is Tennessee at Carolina, isn't it?
Not Carolina at Tennessee.
Who's home?
Carolina is at home.
And they're going to be all over Ryan Tannehill.
Not feeling Ryan Tannehill this week?
I think Tannehill turns back into Tannehill this week.
Kind of started to see it last week.
He had two interceptions called back.
He wasn't very good throwing downfield. The only
guy that was catching downfield throws, deep balls
was Janu.
So are you
starting? We like
Derek Henry. We talked about that earlier.
Legum is the number two running back.
Set up for a good game. Derek Henry or Jordan
Howard? I like Howard better.
I'll take Henry in non-PPR, but Howard in PPR.
Just because the two or three catches that Howard might give you are better.
Okay.
And then are we avoiding the Tennessee wide receivers this week?
I would.
Okay.
Carolina not as good lately against wide receivers,
but we're talking about Chark, Westbrook, Godwin, Evans, Emmanuel Sanders.
They had good games in the last three games against Carolina.
It's so hard to trust.
If they couldn't do it against Tampa Bay,
you're not going to trust them against Carolina.
Jonu Smith would be a start.
He's currently ranked, I think, eighth for Jamie,
seventh for Jamie, seventh for Jamie,
ninth for Dave, seventh for Heath. So we like
Johnnie Smith.
Kyle Allen, no.
That's a good defense here in Tennessee.
Christian McCaffrey, yes. Here's your
stat of the game, by the way.
Kyle Allen could be starting for maybe the rest of the season.
Tennessee at Carolina's
stat of the game is this.
Curtis Samuel has not had more than 53 receiving yards
against any team not named Tampa Bay.
He's faced them twice and he's had two good games.
And other than that, 53 or fewer yards
in five of seven games for Curtis Samuel.
So Samuel and Moore, start or sit?
I think Moore is probably best as a flex and non-PPR
and low-end number two receiver and full PPR.
And you just gave a really good reason
to not go with Curtis Samuel.
How do you feel about
Gregory Olsen?
Not good.
Behind a bunch of the streaming options.
It's been awful.
I mean, four tight ends have caught
a touchdown against Tennessee. Three of them did it with
four or fewer targets.
Hooper and Henry had 97 or more yards.
It's a good matchup, but he just has been so invisible since Cam Newton, since his injury,
and since not playing the Cardinals and Bucs, too.
Olsen's 84% on.
This might be his last stand.
I have a feeling he's going to be benched if he doesn't do well here.
It's the Alamo for him? It's the Alamo for him.
It's the Alamo for Greg Olson.
By the way, speaking of Greg Olson, Miami FSU this week, let's go.
Let's go, Dave.
You guys want to win?
I think we are going to win.
They were six and a half point favorites when it opened.
I mean, dogs.
They were six and a half point dogs.
Disrespect.
I think we're going to win.
Florida State is the worst coach I've
ever seen. He is awful.
Let's go get it.
I'm with you, Adam. Hopefully we'll be in a good mood on Sunday.
I love rivalry games.
They make useless seasons feel important.
And that is it for
Fantasy Football Night. Thanks for listening.
Is that this week?
It is this week.
Oh, okay.
I've been to Florida-Georgia.
Certainly more ramifications in that game than Miami, I think.
Fun game.
I went to a Florida-Georgia game when Tebow played.
It was very cool.
Good experience.
Oh, I bet that was amazing.
Yeah, it was cool.
Thanks for listening, everybody.
We'll talk to you on the mailbag.
We'll talk to you on the radio show on Saturday night.
And have a great weekend.
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