Fantasy Football Today - 11/15: Start or Sit (NFC); Myles Garrett Reaction and More (Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 15, 2019What an ugly ending to the PIT-CLE game and we react to Myles Garrett's actions and the actual football stuff from the game. Mason Rudolph struggled but the Browns offense showed some good signs and t...he schedule is about to get better! ... News and notes (14:00) as David Montgomery and Matthew Stafford are looking iffy. What else do you need to know? Also, get some Stats to Know (19:15) for today's games, "Start, Sit or Flex at Best?" (22:08) and Beat the Waiver WIre (28:30) ... NO-TB (31:22), DAL-DET (40:40), ATL-CAR (49:10), ARI-SF (55:40), CHI-LAR (1:01:15), NYJ-WAS (1:05:00). Can we trust Drew Brees on the road? Kenny Golladay with a backup QB? A lot of Brian Hill talk and all the Flex questions you can handle ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Okay, welcome to the Friday show.
You know, I love to start with energy and happiness
and be all about fantasy football,
but man, why'd you have to go and do that, Miles Garrett?
That was not cool.
That was not cool.
Not fun.
All right, you guys, Dave and Jamie,
you are the commissioner for a day.
Albert Hainsworth got a five-game suspension
for stomping on someone.
How many games are you giving Miles Garrett?
Games or prison sentence?
Oh.
Ooh.
Ooh.
I mean, he's going to be suspended for the rest of the season.
He should be suspended for the rest of the season and maybe four games next year as well.
Am I still the commissioner?
Yeah, you are.
For a day?
I'm eliminating extra points, and every touchdown's worth seven,
and you can risk one point with what's now a two-point conversion,
and you also get points for really cool touchdown celebrations.
You're welcome.
You think he's going to be – that's better.
At least you're not sending anyone to jail.
You think he's going to be out for the season, huh?
Oh, without a doubt.
You have to send a message here.
The Browns should send a message.
The Browns should send a message.
You're right.
They have the option to suspend them themselves,
and they should 100% make a statement that we support you, Miles.
You're our guy, but what you did crossed the line,
and you've got to sit out the rest of the season.
Sorry.
And it makes the matchup against the Browns that much easier now
for everybody that plays them, including the Dolphins in week number 12.
Wasn't very good for Mason Rudolph yesterday.
Okay, we're going to recap that game,
play beat the waiver wire, give out some stats.
Interesting week, and the games we're going to preview today
are the Saints at the Bucs, Dallas at Detroit,
Atlanta at Carolina, Arizona at San Francisco,
Chicago at the Rams, and the Jets at Washington.
I think there are a couple of other NFC home games.
If they're not in this show, we did them yesterday.
So let's start with this Thursday night game and just carnage.
I mean, in addition to the fight, you had Juju Smith-Schuster
and Deontay Johnson leaving with concussions.
Deontay Johnson's was so scary.
James Conner re-aggravating his shoulder.
He had blood on his shoulder.
Yeah, but I guess the visual of the blood coming down
the ear and him just
being really out of it.
They both were bad. You're right.
Where do we start?
We got another suspension.
I'm sorry, ejection. Randall got ejection for
the hit on Deontay Johnson.
Two Cleveland defensive backs left.
One with an injury. One with the ejection. Both safeties. All right. On Deontay Johnson. That's right. Two Cleveland defensive backs left, one with an injury,
one with the ejection.
Both safeties.
Right.
So, all right, let's start with the Steelers here.
And can we even give fantasy analysis,
or would you need some updates here that we'll get in the coming days? Because they do have Cincinnati next week,
but obviously they're down some guys.
I mean, I the the first thing is
clearly the health that i know that's what you're alluding to um connor you gotta be concerned at
this point that he may miss multiple weeks you know maybe he came back too soon uh he clearly
was bothered by his shoulder uh you know if you watch the the game you saw him you know say that
as he was coming off the field at the end of his last carry.
And so at this point, Jalen Samuels is too owned if he was dropped in a couple of leagues.
I dropped him in one where it's a weird lineup setting,
so I didn't need him even if he is the starting running back for the Steelers.
I'd like to have him so nobody else does, but I dropped him yesterday. So there are some circumstances where he may be on waivers,
and maybe Trey Edmonds, as we saw, was back to what they did three games ago
after Connor first was out.
It was Edmonds running downs and Samuels receiving downs or passing downs,
and you saw him catch the touchdown.
And then James Washington, if Juju and Deontay Johnson are out,
he's been picking things up.
I wouldn't look at Holton despite the fact that he had
either close to 10 targets or over 10
targets. He had three targets in a row at
one point and it was ugly on all three.
Yeah, I mean it was
Rudolph was running for his life. The
offensive line was a disaster and now Pouncey's
probably going to get suspended for at least
one game would be my guess. For his role
in the Garrett thing. Yeah.
So that puts a damper on things for
Rudolph but like you said it's the Bengals so I think Washington is somebody you look at off
waivers Vance McDonald now as well um because the Bengals can't defend tight ends and so beyond
those two it's it's Samuels and maybe Edmonds and McDonald had his end zone target he had his chance
in the game and Rudolph just overthrew him it It was just brutal. But if all those guys are out, if Juju's out, if Deontay's out, if Conner's out,
I think it does open the door for McDonald to be a decent streamer at tight end next week.
And, you know, it ruins Rudolph as a streamer if those guys are out
because as bad as the matchup is.
Well, if he had all those guys against the Bengals, not a top 12 guy, but a streamer for sure.
Yeah, I guess you're right about that but i i just think the way that he played last night is just going to
leave an awful taste in people's mouths and they're not going to want to use it anyway even
if those guys i'm totally with you but i think it's a different game if he has juju for four
quarters if he has connor for four quarters it's not going to be much better but it's just it's not
a fair judge of how he probably would have played.
I mean, he's forcing the ball to Holton.
We didn't run the ball at all.
I don't think he was good even – I don't think he was rolling that good
for the receivers.
I'm totally with you, totally with you.
Yeah, he was awful.
Way off.
You take away his two best offensive players,
and it's really not a fair comparison,
what he would be facing next week with the Bengals.
All right, Jalen Samuels is 79% owned. And of course, we'll talk about him on Tuesday.
Just in case he is available in any leagues. You go to the Browns. Baker Mayfield's starting to
do a little bit better. 25 fantasy points in this game. This is, I believe, his best game of the
season. It's funny, though. You say three total touchdowns and 25 fantasy points, and that really
doesn't match up so much. He just makes some really bad throws. It's per, though. You say three total touchdowns and 25 fantasy points, and that really doesn't match up so much.
He just makes some really bad throws.
It's perplexing.
Well, he also had some bad luck.
I mean, I will say this.
The one touchdown to the backup tight end was lucky.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
What a stupid throw.
You just settled for the field goal, dude.
That was so risky.
But, yeah, and Barron not turning around.
But Beckham falling down at the one-yard line.
I know he got the rushing touchdown as a result,
but still Beckham falling down at the one-yard line
and then not getting the two feet inbounds on the other potential score.
Those things just seem to happen to the Browns.
I guess.
But look, I mean, his last five games, he's had 20 points, 12 points at New England,
18 points at Denver, 21 against Buffalo, 25 against Pittsburgh.
You're talking about good defenses here.
You know, 18 at Denver is not bad.
21 against Buffalo is not bad.
25 against Pittsburgh is not bad.
So that's a great game.
And who's coming up?
Miami, then Pittsburgh, then Cincinnati, then Arizona.
Three of his next four games, Baker Mayfield,
62% owned, and maybe
can put together a nice run. Such a shame
for Beckham because he really ended up
having a pretty bad game. Four catches for
60 yards, but
he almost had the touchdown.
Is Jarvis
Landry actually a better
fantasy option rest of season
than Odell Beckham?
I don't know better, but on par.
Because the only thing really Landry's doing differently is finding the end zone.
So you look at the targets the last two weeks, it's what, 22 targets the last two weeks for Beckham?
So they're trying.
They're absolutely trying to get him going and as the schedule sets up like he's
you know if you just if somebody's not looking at the schedule and just looking at his production
has just been completely frustrated uh on a fantasy team that's teetering for the playoffs
and you can offer something that can help them that they may not see that they're playing the
dolphins next week it's probably you missed that boat but uh still if you can like now's the time
to trade for beckham because with the schedule setting up the way that it is and Mayfield playing better and the offensive line playing a little bit better,
it should be a good finish for Beckham,
but it's just been such a frustrating start.
And what I've noticed is that they do a good job of scheming up Jarvis Landry.
The touchdown was a good example of that last night where he's out wide
and then he just does a shallow cross.
He was the only receiver on the field.
I know.
But they've done something like that with Landry a couple of times
each of the past several games.
I'd say it might even be all year, and I just didn't notice it until now.
Well, it's also, I mean, look, Beckham's drawing the tougher cover.
You know, he's going to typically get the—
And the Browns are taking advantage.
Yeah, and that's just, you know, maybe Freddie Kitchens and Todd Mocken
evolving as they're learning their team and what they have at their disposal.
Look, it's been up and down.
They traded Duke Johnson before the season.
David Njoku has been out since week one,
finding the right way to use Beckham.
Beckham talked about this in the postgame interview yesterday.
He's like, I'm still learning Baker.
I mean, that's just the natural course.
I hate hearing that now, though.
Well, I mean, it should have been expected.
Really?
A guy being traded in the middle of the offseason?
Absolutely.
But they were together in training camp.
I'd like to think that they could have developed it.
It's week 10.
I get where he's coming from because I see it when they play.
It's still learning somebody's tendencies.
And that's just the things you have to go through.
Some guys get it quicker than others.
Like Amari Cooper last year being traded to the Cowboys.
He picked up with Dak. I remember talking to Amari
at the Pro Bowl, and he said,
we spent every waking moment
looking over plays and going
through things. Baker and Odell probably
don't do that. I don't want to speculate.
No, but I think you can speculate.
And so, you know, look,
all it takes is
these targets continuing, and
the production's going to start to come
with these matchups that are ahead for him.
So the best of Beckham is probably yet to come.
Unfortunately, he's probably wrecked a lot of fantasy teams
because of where you drafted him.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure.
So I think we're all probably in that boat in some of our leagues.
Nick Chubb, 27 carries. That was nice.
Did not get in the end zone, did not catch a pass.
So he had two catches last week.
Kareem Hunt, he's the passing downs guy.
They're on the field a lot together, but Kareem Hunt has
now 13 catches in two games.
And he looks like a PPR specialist.
Another reason why Baker's played better.
Yeah, he's given him 44
and 46 receiving yards in two games.
He was started in 43% of leagues.
It was just kind of a bummer because
Beckham was started in a lot of leagues. Juju was started in 43% of leagues. It was just kind of a bummer because Beckham was started in a lot of leagues.
Juju was started in 71%.
They were bad. James Conner was started
in 88%. He had five carries for
10 yards. He had one catch for six yards. He left
with an injury. Baker Mayfield was only started
in like, oh gosh,
he's owned in 62% of leagues. He was
started in 20% of leagues.
It's got to be two quarterback leagues. I mean, I have
him in two QB leagues, and that's the only place I have him,
and I started him in both.
I thought Hunt was going to get a chance to score on the Landry touchdown
because he was in the backfield.
I thought maybe they were going to give it to him.
They had him down there a couple times where it was Chubb off the field.
So we could be seeing not necessarily a changing of the guard
in terms of who's going to be the lead rusher,
but you look at the two guys,
and Hunt looks way more explosive right now.
And then last thing, Pittsburgh DST was very disappointing,
and I think it was that last touchdown
after the stupid interception that set them up inside the 10
that was just the nail in the coffin
because they didn't have a good game.
I think they only had one sack.
They didn't force any turnovers, but they could have given up 14 points.
It would have been a lot more respectable, but that late touchdown,
their offense put them in a bad situation.
But don't drop them because they're going to come right back at it
with the Bengals.
Their schedule is great going forward.
Can you imagine that these two teams play again in 15 days now?
It's just insane what could potentially happen.
The NFL is going to have to.
They'll be told numerous times that they got to do it.
Well, you just wonder.
Obviously, Garrett's suspension is going to be passed next week or two weeks.
But Pouncey, Ogunjo will be.
Right.
Those guys.
I bet it is two games.
And that way they miss the rematch.
Right.
But there'll be appeals.
And so you wonder if that'll.
That could get speeded up. You know what's appealing? FanDuel is appealing. the rematch right but there'll be appeals and so you wonder if that'll you know yeah that'll that
could get speeded up you know what's appealing fanduel is appealing brian hill is appealing he's
quite inexpensive on fanduel this week yeah he's going to be in a lot of lineups that's okay
you don't have to stray from that you can put some guys who are kind of chalky in your lineup
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Okay.
The NFL could have a 17-game regular season schedule by 2021.
Does that mean we're going to be playing into week 17 and not playing week 18?
Yes.
Okay.
Patrick Mahomes says he feels the best he's felt since week one.
That's good.
They're in Mexico City to face the Chargers on Monday night.
Matthew Stafford did not practice.
You guys are not ranking him right now, right?
Correct.
In general, and we will preview this game,
but Dallas has been very good against wide receivers,
although every touchdown they've allowed to a receiver
has been in their road games.
This is a road game for Dallas.
How do you feel about Marvin Jones and
Kenny Galladay?
It's hard to get away from Kenny Galladay. As you saw last
week, even with Jeff Driscoll, he could still be
productive. Jones, better
in PPR than non-PPR. I don't know if he'll score,
but he's a number three receiver.
You just have to understand that
it could be a bad Driscoll game and it could be a bad Jones game.
What a strange thing to say about Marvin Jones,
that he's better in PPR,
since he was one of the poster childs for better at non-PPR.
Yeah, I mean, look, he had five catches last week with Driscoll.
No, you're right.
You're right.
It's just weird, the kind of season he's having.
Oh, him and Mike Evans.
Over 80 catches.
Yeah.
Will Fuller.
I said Mike Evans, Mike Williams.
Excuse me.
Will Fuller was limited in practice.
George, expecting Will Fuller?
At this point, yes.
We haven't ranked him yet, but we'll probably find out tonight.
We will.
We will rank him.
Will Fuller.
George Kittle.
There you go.
He will.
He will.
Drop a pass.
George Kittle and Emmanuel Sanders missed practice.
We're not thinking they're going to play.
Adam Thielen has a chance to play, but probably not as of now.
It would not make sense for Minnesota to play him.
Yeah.
We always say that, but guys like to play.
Oh, I get it.
But their bye week is next week.
He already re-aggravated the injury once.
Why would you risk it?
Yeah, that's a good point.
Jack Doyle did practice, so that is good.
So Doyle or Ebron this week in a good matchup?
Format specific for me, I'll take Doyle and PPR, Ebron and none.
I think I have it ranked the exact same way.
I think I have them back-to-back in both.
If Ebron's going to get 12 targets again, that'll be a good thing.
Marquise Brown missed practice.
Do we think that he's got a chance of missing this game?
I don't think so.
He's been in and out of practice for weeks now.
I think last week, though, he was fine.
Actually, I thought he missed practice one day.
Or maybe he was just limited one day.
They have a maintenance routine with him.
It looks like he'll play. I like him this week if he plays. is limited one day. They have a maintenance routine with him. Right.
It looks like he'll play.
I like him this week if he plays.
Bill Callahan said Darius Geis will get work this week,
and they are facing the team that gives up the fewest yards per carry to running backs
in the New York Jets.
I have been making the case that we don't know
how good the Jets' run defense is without Leonard Williams
because they've faced the Dolphins and Saquon Barkley
playing for the Hurt hurt but still very impressive uh are you getting away from the
Redskins running backs or because Peterson has been really steady in non-PPR four straight weeks
even PPR three of his last four 11 11 or more points so it's not like he's been killing you
in that format um I think you have to just for two reasons one like you said the jets
run defense has played better and you have duane haskin starting so who knows how this washington
offense will will look with him you know under center coming off of a bye week could be better
most likely probably not uh but with guys playing it just there's too much uncertainty there so
unless you're stuck like i have a tough choice in our podcast league where my running backs have become a problem where I have Austin Eckler, David Johnson and Adrian Peterson are my three guys.
And I thought I was fine with Eckler and David Johnson.
I'm actually debating David Johnson, Adrian Peterson.
That's how bad it is.
I think it's a no brainer to go with Adrian Peterson in a PPR league.
It's not a no brainer because Iiner because Peterson's basically two catches at best
and if David Johnson's right,
he still has a chance to do a little bit better in that regard.
So right now I'm playing Johnson,
but Peterson could not see very many carries.
We just don't know.
David Montgomery, he's got an ankle injury.
Yeah, this one looks pretty significant
because he was limited Wednesday and he didn't practice
on Thursday Matt Aggie said he rolled the ankle and I thought he got hurt Wednesday he got hurt
on Wednesday but they said yeah I guess he got hurt and therefore he was limited that day and
then he didn't practice on Thursday if he doesn't practice on Friday I don't like his chances to
play against the Rams and it would be a tough matchup even if he did play sure and uh they
just got rid of Mike Davis so the timing is super duper.
Tariq Cohen should see a lot of work.
And I think the other running back they have is Ryan Nall.
Yep.
Is that his name?
I don't know much about him.
I don't know if that's how you pronounce his name, but yes.
I know what you're talking about.
He was a undrafted rookie free agent.
How do we spell that just in case we want to pick him up?
Is there a K in there?
No.
No.
N-A-L-L.
Okay.
Okay, great.
So Ryan Nall for the Bears.
Oregon State.
Do you expect the following players?
6'2", 238.
He is a big boy.
I mean, they could always use Patterson, too.
Okay, do you expect the following players?
Le'Veon Bell at Washington.
Yes.
Gerald Everett against the Bears Sunday night.
Yes. Josh Jacobs against the Bengals. I said so. Yes. Gerald Everett against the Bears Sunday night.
Yes.
Josh Jacobs against the Bengals.
Yes.
Yeah.
Robbie Anderson at Washington.
Yes.
He'll play.
Stats to know.
Atlanta.
Red zone.
Who's that? What?
Stats to know is out.
Oh, he's out?
Okay. Nice question. He's out. He's on the bench. He's out. Oh, he's out? Okay. Nice question.
He's out. He's on the bench. He's in.
Let's look at the Falcons and their red zone and targets inside the 10-yard line.
So Julio Jones has six red zone targets all year.
Four targets inside the 10, which isn't that bad.
Calvin Ridley has three red zone targets, one inside the 10. That's not good.
But they are now without
Austin Hooper. He leads the team in both
red zone and green zone
targets. And Devontae Freeman had five red zone
targets and three inside the 10.
I'm not going to give much analysis
or anything. I'm just saying, obviously, there are some opportunities
in short yardage, in the
red zone, inside the 10-yard line for
more touchdowns, hopefully, for Julio Jones,
maybe Calvin Ridley.
We'll see.
Or Russell Gage and Luke Stocker.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Or Jaden Graham.
Is that the third time?
Yeah.
Drew Brees, here are his fantasy points in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues in his last six games at Tampa Bay.
14, 11, 24, 4, 15, and 16. One one good game five pretty bad games at Tampa Bay they are the worst they are
I think the second worst against quarterbacks what do you think about Breeze this week outdoors
on the road against the Bucks it's a perfect game I mean mean, you know, he, he did not play particularly great last week.
He was very good two games ago,
but you know,
the,
both games were at home.
Um,
I,
I think the only way that they can move the ball successfully is going to be
through the air,
whether it's a short passing game or taking some shots,
but that's not typically what they do.
I mean,
you know,
it's a,
it's a very limited offense in terms of
going down the field, despite having, you know, what could be two good deep threats and Ted Ginn
and Trey Kwan Smith. So I can't see them winning this game without having breeze playing at a very
high level, unless Jamis just gets completely off the rails and they have some defensive scores. So
I'll buy into breeze still. I think he's, he's worth trusting even in his bad track,
even given his bad track record at Tampa Bay.
I think the Saints are chasing points in this game.
What?
I think Tampa Bay wins.
Really?
I think it's a tough game for New Orleans.
I think Drew Brees will fall into good production.
You're going to start him.
That Bucks defense defense is just,
the secondary has so many weak holes in it,
but that offensive line for New Orleans
is going to be targeted.
The Bucs are going to blitz like crazy
against Drew Brees.
All right, last stat.
Non-decibel scoring,
so looking at one of our
six-point-per-passing touchdown non-PPR leagues.
Again, non-PPR,
six points-per-passing touchdown. Only, non-PPR, six points per passing touchdown.
Only four quarterbacks have scored more fantasy points than Christian McCaffrey.
That is amazing.
Start, sit, or flex at best.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay, start, sit, or flex at best.
Robert Woods against the Bears.
I have that as a start. Better in PPR than none. Todd Gurley against the Bears. I have him as a start.
Better in PPR than none.
Todd Gurley against the Bears.
I still have him as a start, but a low end number two.
Yep.
If this were a week where we didn't have four good teams on by,
I would probably have Gurley outside of the top 20.
Just to give you an idea,
Brian Hill and Ronald Jones should be started over Todd Gurley.
So the Ronald Jones one is tough, though.
Yeah, I agree.
It's the Saints, you know, the Saints.
Let me tell you something about Ronald Jones.
It's all a matter of if Bruce Arians does what he says he's going to do.
If they're going to keep him involved in the passing game.
Yep.
As we saw last week, it was a great scenario for Ronald Jones.
And if that continues, then he's going to be really good.
But here's the thing that bothers me about Ronald Jones.
He was facing a team. This stat's going to be a good but here's the thing that that bothers me about ronald jones he was facing a team this stat's gonna be a little bit wrong but it's close he was facing
the lions they had given up 15 or more fantasy points in non-ppr to seven straight running backs
it was something like that it was this unbelievable matchup and he scored but he was really bad
running the football so i agree. To the Lions?
Yeah, yeah.
To the Cardinals.
Sorry.
Yeah, they played Arizona last year. I was talking about David Montgomery and Ronald Jones.
They both had these great matchups where the Cardinals and the Lions
were both giving up a ton of fantasy points week after week after week
to running backs, and neither of them ran the ball well.
Montgomery got like 17 carries or whatever for 60 yards or something awful.
And Ronald Jones, he scored, and he had the passing touchdown,
the receiving work.
But it bothered me that he did so badly against the Cardinals.
Now he's facing one of the best run defenses.
He needs that passing production.
I'm totally with you.
This is more about Gurley for me than it is about Ronald Jones.
I think Ronald Jones' setup is better than Gurley's is because,, you know, if I shouldn't say, you know, the hope would
be is that what we saw last week in the passing game, if what Bruce Arian says continues, then
that could be a little bit of a staple for him that can hopefully boost his numbers a little bit.
Forget about the touchdown. The second thing would be is that Gurley is now down to offensive
lineman for an offensive line that stinks. And so while the Bears run defense has been bad, I think it just gets counteracted by
how bad the Rams rushing offense has been.
And we saw it again last week.
Malcolm Brown comes back and it's back to this stupid rotation again where Gurley's
off the field and barely played in the fourth quarter.
So unless that gets changed, I can't trust Gurley unless he scores.
That's the scenario that you're dealing with here.
So he's not playing in the passing game.
He's losing carries to now two other guys
because they still gave Henderson four carries last week.
And so Ronald Jones, while he did lose work to Peyton Barber after the fumble,
if he's going to be playing on passing downs and getting, let's say, five catches,
I don't think he's going to get eight, but if he gets four or five,
that's going to be a nice situation to look forward to and build off of. The only thing I'll say is that I have to give Sean McVay some benefit of the doubt here.
And if he knows his offensive line sucks, and he knows that Jared Goff is going to be under pressure one and a half seconds after the snap,
he's going to get rid of the ball quick.
And that would put Gurley in position to catch a lot of passes and try and screen him out, make plays after the catch.
He's been so bad at that, though.
It's unbelievable how bad he's been at that.
I don't think he can do it consistently.
Let's just go crazy and say he had nine targets in the game.
I think he could catch seven of them,
but he might only get 50 yards off those seven.
I mean, look, I get it if somebody wants to trust Todd Gurley or Ronald Jones.
I mean, clearly the body of work is much more in favor of Gurley,
but I'll take my chances with Jones.
Especially, I mean, if you think Tampa Bay is going to win the game,
I don't think they're winning the game just by throwing the ball.
I know, but it's not going to be Ronald Jones finishing the game.
It's going to be Barber.
And Arians did make that clear.
The reason I was so passionate about this was I have that decision to make.
Look at this.
I have five running backs in a PPR league.
Brian Hill, Ronald Jones, Joe Mixon, Todd Gurley, and Phillip Lindsey.
I'm sure they're all fairly close to the rankings
and I'm going to be... You had to play three? Yeah, yeah.
But don't worry about it. Let's go on. Let's move on to start
center flex at best. Allen Robinson
against the Rams. Allen Robinson.
Flex at best. F-A-B.
How about Sam Darnold
at Washington?
Flex at best. Stream at best.
How about Jameson Crowder at Washington? Flex at best. Stream at best. How about Jamison Crowder at Washington?
Revenge game.
PPR, start, flex at best.
I'd start on both.
Terry McLaurin against Jets.
I know the matchup looks good.
He's a flex at best.
I'd start him.
Crowder or McLaurin?
Crowder.
Crowder and PPR, McLaurin and none.
I'll take Crowder on both. Seat geek or McLaurin? I like the factder and PPR, McLaurin and none. I'll take Crowder in both.
Seat geek or McLaurin?
I like the fact that they're going to move him around in the offense.
I like that Bill Callahan's going to do that.
Who's the quarterback again?
Probably a crappy quarterback, very similar to the one that Crowder has.
No, they do not slander.
I don't think Darl's that bad.
All right.
Well, if you want some cheap seats, you know what?
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Let's say like end zone, lower level end zone, guys.
Take a guess.
Redskins, Jets.
39.
That's too low.
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All right.
You're going to go down to the game.
Nope.
Let's beat the waiver wire.
Okay.
You guys have any,
uh,
beat the waiver wire suggestions for next week.
I do.
I got one.
I got one that is fresh off the Twitter machine.
Ah,
all right.
What do we got?
Jay Ajayi.
The former Eagles linebacker, Ike Reese,
who covers the team and does a lot of media in Philadelphia,
said that if the Eagles sign Ajayi,
they aren't bringing him in to replace Boston Scott or Darren Sproles.
It means that they are concerned about the health of Jordan Howard.
Makes sense.
He's dealing with shoulder.
He's got a shoulder injury.
He's been limited in practice.
It could mean that Jordan Howard's not going to play.
J.H.I., if he's signed Friday or Saturday,
this is a guy that knows the offense in Philadelphia,
could end up having a noticeable role against New England on Sunday
and maybe moving forward.
You might be able to get them before beating the waiver wire.
You can get them right now.
All right.
So we definitely have to be concerned about.
Yeah.
We got to keep an eye on what's happening in Philly.
Yeah.
And we love,
we like Howard.
And if he doesn't play,
we're going to like mile Sanders.
All right.
Zach Paschal.
He's at Houston next week.
They got preset back,
had some success with preset and preset himself at Houston next week.
That might be a quarterback.
He turned to Mitchell Trubisky
against the Giants.
You know, stranger things have happened.
Taylor Gabriel
against the Giants. Three seasons worth of it.
Let's see.
You know, here's a guy,
I don't know if you've noticed, but every single time
that this guy gets work, he does well.
And we're over 100 career carries now
at 6.2 yards per carry.
Raheem Mostert.
It's a long shot, but...
I think he's a flex this week.
Yeah, 100%.
He should be picked up now.
Every time he's had seven or more carries,
he's averaged at least 4.4 yards per carry.
This guy has been very productive
when he's been on the field.
He's been in the league since 2016.
Do you know how many teams he's been on including practice squad
no
five four seven
wow uh
Jacoby Brissett I mentioned Ryan Tannehill
I know it's a tough matchup against Jacksonville
but um you know he's been
playing pretty well yep Tannehill
versus Foles nice turns of
DSTs the Titans against
the Jags you missed the tight end jags well you missed the tight end
i didn't get to the tight end so who oh hollister oh jacob hollister yeah uh wait a minute yeah and
where the where's darius slayton on this list not that you you have to start him in week 12
but somebody to stash there you go still out there in a ton of leagues yeah and daniel jones
has great matchups coming up this This one against the Bears is not,
but his playoff schedule is, I think,
the Eagles, Dolphins, and Redskins.
Oakland's DST at Jets.
Just in case he's hurt, Wayne Gallman.
Detroit DST at Washington.
You're right, Wayne Gallman.
And Denver's DST is at Buffalo,
but Detroit might be one that you go run and get.
All right, here we go.
Let's go to the games.
New Orleans at Tampa Bay.
Dave thinks the Bucs are going to win.
Remember, no Marshawn Lattimore here, so that is good.
Here's your stat of the game.
These run defenses are nasty.
These two teams are top three in fantasy points allowed to running backs,
top five in receiving yards per game to running backs,
top six in yards per carry allowed to running backs.
So there's that.
Is there any scenario
where you sit Alvin Kamara?
I know that sounds a little wacky,
but look, he has been struggling. He has
not been great in non-PPR.
I think he's going to catch a ton of passes.
So that's going to be
he had eight last week. I think it's probably
safe to say he'll be in that range again.
Just with Breeze getting the ball out of his hands quick. Remember, they're down Austin Peet.
So that's going to be a tough blow for their offensive line.
Andrews Peet.
So, you know, I'm sure it's Breeze getting the ball out quick.
So is he going to have success running between the tackles?
Probably not.
But I think this could be a 100-total-yard game for him and a chance to score through the air.
So I have Josh Jacobs ranked ahead of him, for one,
and I think maybe Melvin Gordon in non-PPR.
So you could have maybe somebody traded for Melvin Gordon,
or in some cases, I know in one of my 10-team leagues, he was dropped because somebody had to make a roster move, and I picked up Melvin Gordon or, or, you know, in some cases, like I know in one of my 10 team leagues,
he was dropped because somebody had to make a roster move.
And I picked up Melvin Gordon.
Um,
you could have Gordon and Jacobs and only play two backs.
Okay.
Too cute to start like,
uh,
Singletary or Damian Williams over him.
I would not,
but I mean,
you know,
you can,
but it's close for me in the rankings. Williams
is probably not going to have as
much success running because that's
not typically what he does.
I think they're kind of similar. I'd probably take
my chances.
Even in his good game against the Chargers
last year, I think he went for 70 yards.
Yeah, look, I imagine
Kamara's star percentage is going to be up in the
90s, so mood point.
Drew Brees is top six for you
guys, and I gave
a stat about, you know, at
Tampa Bay, we know he's on the road, but
man, Tampa Bay, not only are they awful
against the pass, they're down
cornerbacks, too, so
he should start Drew Brees.
He should, yeah. Michael Thomas, starter set. cornerbacks too so he should start drew breeze you should yeah okay michael thomas it was starter
set uh well no i'll start him i guess uh mike evans though gets i guess a little lucky with
no latimore so you don't have to worry about that not a little lucky not a little lucky he did not
have a catch dfs lucky dfs yeah you, he was out of my FanDuel lineup.
I might have to change that.
I might have to get Mike Evans in there.
He's cheap.
I know.
That's why he's a hitter in DFS.
Yes, he does.
This is a big deal.
All right, so Godwin, Thomas, and Evans.
By the way, who's the number one wide receiver points per game in non-PPR?
In this game?
In the season, yeah.
And it's not Michael Thomas, huh?
Because I think...
Could be.
Yeah, I'm going to guess Michael Thomas.
Yeah, I would say Thomas too.
You are wrong.
It is.
I'm almost positive it's Mike Evans.
Oh my God, you don't even know?
I'm pretty sure I saw it.
I'm doing it right now.
I'm doing it right now.
Should it be stats to know or stats to maybe?
Stats to maybe.
Definitely maybe. It is Mike Evans.
He is number, yeah, he's
number one. By
over one full point
in non-PPR, Michael
Thomas. Okay. Latavius Murray
and Peyton Barber.
Sit him? No. Yes.
Okay. Yeah.
Good to know.
Any other wide receivers other than those big three?
No.
It's a dart throw
with Traquan and Ginn,
so no.
Agreed.
It's too bad, too,
because you'd love to
play the matchup,
call one a streamer,
whatever.
I'm sure they'll take some shots
and one could score.
If you want to take a chance
on one for Fandel, you can. I would still lean Ginn some shots and one could score. If you want to take a chance on one for Fandle,
you can. I would still lean Ginn over Traquan,
but it's just too risky.
But Jared Cook should be actually pretty good.
I almost think that's their number two receiver
at this point. Number three. Kamara's two.
We'll spend time on Jameis
and Ronald Jones and compare them to some
other guys, talk about the matchups, but
Jared Cook or OJ Howard?
Jared Cook.
Howard's a set.
We love Cook.
I would take a chance on Howard if you're stuck.
Let's see if
the matchup. I'd head to the Hills.
So they are
the Saints are ninth against tight ends,
but they've really only faced two good ones
and both of them scored. Disley scored.
Hooper scored.
If he's going to play the same amount but they've really only faced two good ones, and both of them scored. Disley scored. Hooper scored. So not quite clear how they are.
Yeah, I mean, if he's going to play the same amount of snaps
that he did last week and run the same amount of routes,
then he's got a chance.
Brucerian said it was because of the matchup,
and if they're looking at matchups to scheme up O.J. Howard,
they'll look at this one, and they're going to say,
yee, tough.
Saints have been good against tight ends.
Well, no, they haven't.
He just told you that.
They haven't.
They haven't.
They've been good against bad ones. Well, how many touchdown haven't. He just told you that. They haven't. They haven't. They've been good against bad ones.
Well, how many touchdowns
have they given up to tight ends this year?
Two.
But again, they haven't faced good tight ends.
Right.
They've been good against bad tight ends
and OJ Howard's been pretty bad
most of the season.
They're coming off a game
where he played well
and was involved
and Jameis played well.
So it's an easy throw for him to make
in the middle of the field
where he doesn't have to stress
against still facing a good pass rush.
So I think I'll still be okay.
Can I give you a stat to know?
Three career meetings.
OJ Howard.
It's a no.
OJ Howard, under 60 yards, no touchdowns,
three career games against the Saints.
This is not an easy matchup for him.
He's not a bad beat the waiver wire guy.
He does have good matchups coming up
after this and if he does well again he's 61 owned if oj howard does well again in this game
people might buy all the way back in he might be close to 100 owned you know
so oh you should absolutely pick him up it's not a bad stash if you can afford to keep two tight
ends who do they have in week 12 let me check my place they have atlanta atlanta and then
jacksonville then Indy.
Their next four opponents struggle.
The playoff schedule is pretty good.
Detroit and Houston in 15 and 16.
All right, fellas, let's talk about Jameis Winston here.
What's your level of confidence in him?
It's tough to know.
This is a good pass defense, but without their best cornerback,
we don't know.
He's going to be under duress.
They're going to hit him, and they're going to sack him,
and they're going to get after him.
I think this is a defense that will bounce back after what happened last week.
But he'll be a James game.
You're probably looking at if he doesn't turn the ball over,
he has a chance to be close to 30 fantasy points.
If he turns the ball over, which he typically does,
he's probably going to be 25 at best.
He's a gutty start.
It's just a matter of do you get cute and start Derek Carr or Josh Allen over him?
Those are probably the only guys that you may be debating.
They're both not waiver wire guys because Carr was over 80% owned and Allen's over 90% owned.
So I'm not starting Kyle Allen over Josh Allen.
That was my question.
Yeah, I think you could make that case.
I'm not starting Kyle Allen over Jameis, no.
No way.
Jameis is top five for me.
Whoa.
I think he's lights out.
I think Mike Evans has his way with whatever defensive back
the Saints put on him without Lattimore there.
I think it changes the defense completely,
not having a shutdown cornerback there.
It might mean they can't blitz as much.
And I think Godwin gets back on track this week, too.
I think the receivers have a huge game.
Okay.
Ronald Jones or Brian Hill?
Brian Hill.
I'm sorry?
Brian Hill.
Ronald Jones or
Brian Jones.
Great college analyst. James White.
Brian Hill in both.
I think you said Ronald Jones or James White.
You said Ronald Jones or James White? I meant to say that. Ronald Jones or James White. I'll take Ronald uh brian hill and both i think you said ronald jones or james white you said ronald jones or
james white i meant to say that ronald jones or james white uh i'll take ronald jones and
non-ppr james white people i think i i think i feel like you feel how about jameson crowder
or ronald jones crowder for sure ppr in crowder and non as well for me i'll take crowder and ppr ronald
jones and non-ppr all right i'll do one more wide receiver here ronald jones or curtis samuel i he's
gonna really be tough for me because i know we're gonna to get a ton of questions. He's tough every week, man. I will take Samuel.
Nine or more non-PPR
points three of his last four games.
I'll take Ronald Jones in
non-PPR and Samuel in PPR.
Okay.
Let's get to
our next game. Dallas at Detroit.
By the way, Saints DST is top 10.
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Cool.
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Here is the stat of the game that won't influence your
lineup decisions. A running
back has caught a touchdown against the Lions
in four of their last five games. So
start Zeke. A
stat of the game that might influence
your lineup decisions.
Oh, the Lions have been terrible against tight ends.
They've allowed a touchdown to a tight end in four
straight games.
But Jason Witten hasn't scored
in seven straight games.
What do you think about Jason Witten or OJ Howard?
Witten's in a better spot.
He is, but I'd
pick a different streamer than both of them.
Yeah, I like Witten better in PPR than non-PPR,
but he's still starting both for me.
Let's get to this game here.
So Dak Prescott,
seven of nine quarterbacks have scored 22 or more fantasy points.
It's a very, very high floor.
Only two have had huge games against the Lions,
and that was with Darius Slayhert, his cousins in Jones.
Does Dak Prescott have a good game or a great game?
I think he can be great.
I think this is a matchup where the Cowboys can get back on track.
And I think they might lean a little bit on Zeke.
It's one of the reasons why I'm not so hot to trot on Witten.
Because when they get inside the five, I think that's going to be Zeke time.
But I also think that you're going to see the receivers
make big plays. Cooper against anybody. It's going
to be Cooper versus Darius Slay.
I'm not going to hesitate to use
Amari Cooper in that matchup
and I think Gallup can continue to
find some numbers as well and they're
catching passes from Dak. They have
so many different weapons. I mean,
you know, even if Slay
takes away Cooper to whatever extent and lowers his ceiling a little bit. I mean, you know, even if Slay takes away Cooper
to whatever extent
and lowers his ceiling a little bit,
I mean, Dak will go to Gallup,
will go to Cobb,
will go to Witten,
will go to Zeke out of the backfield.
It's just too hard
to get away from Dak right now.
And I think what it'll end up being is,
I mean, Zeke's obviously
going to get his numbers,
but this could be a
throw to score, run to win game.
You guys have Dak third, third, and Heath has him fifth.
So, Dak, we're hoping for a big game here from him.
All right, Zeke, yes, and Cooper, yes.
So, Michael Gallup, you guys have him ranked pretty high.
Heath's a little lower on Gallup.
Heath has him 21st in non-PPR, 23rd in PPR.
You guys have him as a top-17 wide receiver,
almost top-12 in non-PPR. So, Jamie him as a top 17 wide receiver, almost top 12 and non PPR.
So,
uh,
Jamie explain,
uh,
the love for Michael Gallup this week.
I think he scores.
It's kind of what you said,
you know,
if slay is gonna,
um,
shadow Cooper to whatever extent he does,
you know,
I mean,
we'll see Gallup make some plays.
So I like him on a fast track.
I think,
you know,
it'll be an opportunity for him to find the end zone.
His targets have come down as Randall Cobb has played better of late,
but I'm not getting away from him in a game where the secondary
that he's facing is so bad.
And I just ran out of wide receivers that I would put in my top 24.
Well, we've got to have a first, I guess,
because I'm not saying this won't happen.
It almost happened last week with the Bears,
but we have not had multiple wide receivers score 14 or more PPR fantasy points
in the same game against the Lions with a healthy Darius Slay.
Last week it was very, very close.
It was like 13.9 PPR points for the Bears guys,
but this would be a team to do it.
I mean, Gallup's been really good all year,
and Cooper's one of the best in football.
Jason Witten, 12th for Jamie, 10th for Dave,
and 22nd for Heath.
No, sorry, 12th for Jamie, 10th for Heath,
22nd for Dave.
So Dave is low on Witten.
Heath actually has Witten sixth in PPR.
We just talked about him.
Let's just hope Blake Jarwin doesn't score again.
All right, let's go to the
Lions.
So, Jeff Driscoll.
Although he can run
a little bit, by the way.
He's actually intriguing in DFS
because his price is so low.
Yeah, he's got...
And he runs a little bit, and he's going to throw a lot of passes.
So,
there is a path with him
where you can get some moderate value
and then it gives you the chance to load
up on other guys on FanDuel.
The Cowboys have a good defense. Let's just
put that out there. It's just
a DFS play.
JD McKissick.
All right. What do we think about JD
McKissick? He's only 55% owned.
He's got big opportunity here.
Thoughts?
Good in PPR.
Tough to trust in non-PPR.
I mean, if he's going to get another game with double digits and carries,
last week was the first time in his career he had 10 carries.
I think, you know, five plus catches as well within reach
because Driscoll's going to get the ball out of his hands quick.
And like Dave said, they're probably going to be throwing a lot.
If Ty Johnson's out, that will certainly help him touch the ball even more.
If Ty Johnson plays, then it's back to the three-headed rotation of poop
that they'll use with Paul Perkins mixed in as well.
But McKissick should be the best of that bunch.
And if you're stuck in a PPR league, he's not bad.
He's given you 10 PPR points each of the past two weeks.
Sit out, Ty Johnson.
Don't come back.
Yeah, and the Cowboys actually give up the fourth most receiving yards per game,
the running backs.
That's a little skewed by the last two games.
Receiving yards or receptions?
Receiving yards per game, fourth most.
I don't know where they are in receptions.
I think they're fourth in receptions.
Okay, yeah.
But the last two weeks have really tipped that stat
because Barkley had 6 for 67 receiving
and Cook had 7 for 86.
Before that, they weren't that bad.
But those games happened.
So McKissick's got an opportunity here.
It's funny because McKissick and Brian Hill
have almost the same price on FanDuel.
And you guys, you like Brian Hill a lot better this week, right?
Well, I mean, there's a better chance for Hill to score.
You know his carries will certainly dwarf McKissick
even if Ty Johnson's out.
And the matchup's just a hell of a lot better.
Right.
All right, the Detroit wide receivers.
Galladay is a must start.
Would you start Gallup or Galladay, though?
Gallup.
Yeah.
Really?
Okay.
Marvin Jones, or let's go to the Jamison Crowder, Terry McLaurin range.
Both those guys over Marvin Jones.
I would take Jones over McLaurin, especially in PPR.
Yeah, I'll take McLaurin in both.
The Cowboys do allow the second fewest fantasy points to wide receivers,
but they are worse on the road, like we saw with McLaurin and Richardson,
like we saw with Robbie Anderson and Crowder.
So, TJ Hawkinson, start or sit?
I started the week liking Hawkinson because I like the way he played last week
and just thinking about how Driscoll might operate
with checking down
and with Jeff Heath hurt for the Cowboys.
Maybe there would be a chance for him,
but the more I researched other streaming tight ends,
the more I pushed Hawkinson down.
So I don't like him.
Yeah, he's just not been good.
Any DST in this game?
Cowboys. Sure. Cow DST in this game? Cowboys.
Sure.
Cowboys or Saints this week?
Cowboys.
Cowboys.
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All right, guys.
Let's talk about Carolina and Atlanta, and guess what?
This is not the Bonanza. Chiefs Chargers is the Bonanza.
Chiefs-Chargers is the Bonanza.
Yeah, I'd run it back, but this is not it.
This was a fakeout.
I thought about this game,
but Matt Ryan's just not playing well enough,
and he's hurt, and he doesn't have Sanu,
and he doesn't have Hooper,
and it just seems like I'm setting up for failure,
and Kyle Allen makes me scared.
But Chargers-Chiefs is your official Bonanza.
Anyway, Atlanta, Carolina.
What do we think about this game? Matt Ryan, do you have faith in him
based on the rankings you do?
Yeah, he's a
top 12 quarterback. I'm
hoping that Brian Hill
doesn't take so much work away from him that he can
find the end zone. And what I really
think is going to happen is that he's going to have to chase
points in the game and the offense
will ultimately run through him.
Offensive line played a little bit better last week.
Ryan played okay.
And I think he could be a top ten quarterback.
Okay.
Ryan or Breeze?
I currently have Breeze ahead of Ryan.
I think I'm going to change it and put Ryan ahead of Breeze.
Yeah, I'll take Breeze.
Ryan or Josh Allen?
I think I'm going to take Josh Allen against the Fins.
I'll take Ryan.
Okay.
So I think we've talked a lot about Brian Hill.
Would you start Brian Hill or Calvin Ridley?
Hill.
Hill.
Okay.
He's top 20 in non-PPR and in PPR,
but he's a little higher in PPR for Jamie and Heath,
not quite as much for Dave.
But he's a starter,
and we'd start him over Todd Gurley, as we mentioned.
We'd start Brian Hill over Austin Eckler, right?
Or not Dave?
No.
Jamie would.
I'm sorry, which one?
Eckler?
Brian Hill or Austin Eckler.
Oh, Hill.
He's set up for...
He had 21 touches in the game. He didn't start.
Yeah, I know. And the Panthers give up the second
most points. Two running backs
and 5.05 yards per carry.
I'll say it again. I've said it all week.
They've allowed 13 touchdowns to running backs
in their last five games. It's just insane.
That's amazing. That is amazing.
But they are the best against
pass-catching running backs. Fewest receiving yards per game to running backs.
That's wild.
But three receiving touchdowns.
All right.
So Brian Hill, I think you've heard enough.
Start Julio.
I want to believe in Calvin Ridley.
I hope he gets more targets.
If he gets six to seven targets, which is the norm,
that's usually not good enough against the Panthers.
There have been six wide receivers with that many targets,
and only one has had more than 40 yards.
Only one has scored.
Start or sit, Calvin Ridley?
Try and sit him.
If you kind of chew on his box scores and see what he's done,
you see that he's basically a touchdown.
That probably doesn't taste very good.
Huh?
Probably wouldn't taste very good.
Probably not, no.
But he also is a touchdown-dependent wide receiver.
Do you think he can score a touchdown against Carolina
with their secondary healthy again?
I'm thinking it's going to be tough.
He's a flex at best.
Marvin Jones or Calvin Ridley?
I'll take Jones in PPR.
I think he's safer.
I think he'll get more volume there, too.
And so this is where you would go with
Ronald Jones over Calvin Ridley?
Yep. Yeah. Okay. How about caitlin bellagio ridley
ridley like i have to think about it for a second i'm gonna go with ridley because there's
a thousand percent more upside okay but i had to pause uh if you're in a deeper league russell
gage is only one percent owned and he had nine targets and five targets in two games since the Sanutri.
Right, it better be a PPR league if you're looking at him.
Yeah.
Sure, sure.
1% owned, though.
And if you're desperate, Luke Stocker.
Right, Luke Stocker.
The Panthers have—
You'd have to be on an island with no food and no internet desperate.
And if you're there, you're not listening to us.
No food stalker.
Like stock of food. Kyle Allen.
Who would you start
Kyle Allen over?
Baker.
Yeah. But Wentz.
Yeah. Wentz, Cousins, Kyler.
Not Brady, right?
Nope. And I disagree
on Kyler and
I disagree on Cousins too. i think it's i'll take the
match up here i think i think mccaffrey goes bananas much better situation for kyle allen
oh it's definitely a better situation for kyle allen well then the upside for him i guess i'm
talking myself into starting him over kirk cousins that's what you're hearing right now
thank you okay i'm starting him over garoppolo. Would you do that? Yes. Yep.
I'd start him over Darnold as well.
Yeah. Again, I think it's just all those guys
that have tough matchups, whether it's
Cousins, Wentz, Kyler,
all those guys. He should be better.
DJ Moore is a top 12 wide receiver.
He's in my FanDuel lineup. He's still less
expensive than Curtis Samuel. It's amazing.
$6,000. Yeah. They have not
caught up to DJ.
Well, they haven't.
Look, it's half PPR,
so he doesn't get the full scoring bonus
that he does other places,
and he doesn't score touchdowns.
So I get it,
but it's hard to go 100 yards week in, week out
without finding the end zone.
Falcons allow the seventh most fantasy points
to wide receivers.
So Curtis Samuel,
Curtis Samuel or
Brian Hill?
Brian Hill.
I feel like Hill has more upside.
Samuel's got a touchdown in three
of his last four games. Still only two games
with more than 64 yards and both
of them were against the Bucs.
This is not a bad matchup
and we're hoping for a lot of points.
So he's not a bad flex.
He's scoring touchdowns in the red zone as well.
Yeah.
So it's funny because you look at Samuel and you think, all right, he's a big play receiver
and he does get a couple of deep throws a game.
But it's been the red zone.
It's been the area that you think DJ Moore is going to come through where Samuel is coming
through.
And DJ Moore's touchdown was like a 52-yard bomb.
A catch-and-run.
Catch-and-run, right.
But it was a long catch-and-run.
Like the throw was long and the running was long as well
from Kyle Allen.
That's the only score I believe he has from Allen.
Samuel or JD McKissick?
Samuel.
Start or sit Greg Olson?
Start him.
Yep.
Okay. Olson? Start him. Yep. Okay.
Olson or Ross Dwelley?
Olson.
Olson.
That's close.
And that is that game.
Beautiful.
Arizona at San Francisco.
Speaking of Dwelley, what a nice matchup he has.
Quick stat of the game,
a rest of season stat. The Cardinals
wide receivers do not face a team
that ranks lower than 17th
in fantasy points allowed to wide receivers
rest of season.
So Christian Kirk,
maybe you try to sell him here.
Kyle Murray.
You missed that window.
Well, the game hasn't happened yet.
I can't imagine people are going to look at his projections and his ranking
and say, I've got to have that guy even though he just scored three touchdowns.
He's still the target leader for Arizona the past couple of weeks.
Oh, he's been very good even before that.
He just hasn't been great.
But I think you have to sell those type of guys right after it happens.
The day after it happens?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So anyway, starter Sid Christian Kirk.
Sid?
I still like him in PPR.
Maybe I'm a sucker.
I still think he gets targets.
I think the Cardinals have a good game offensively.
Yeah, why are you into Kyler?
I'm into Kyler because the 49ers defense played 74 snaps into overtime on Monday,
and now they've got to turn around and play again on Sunday.
The offense is going to be without Emmanuel Sanders and George Kittle.
We've seen Garoppolo get turnover happy.
That could set up the Cardinals with some short fields.
And I also think that the defense might be keyed in on stopping Kenyon Drake
because two weeks ago, Drake ran all over them.
And so the coaches might say, hey, we better stop that guy.
And I like the way Kyler Murray's playing.
So it's a four-prong argument that has absolutely nothing to do with statistical data.
I don't have the data to say, well, in the last four weeks,
the 49ers have allowed this and that.
They're a good defense.
But I think Kyler Murray
has earned himself an
opportunity to still put up
somewhere between 20 and 24 fantasy
points. I think it'll be okay.
I think it'll be somewhere 17 to 19
because I don't think he
has a very high ceiling in this matchup just because
they haven't given up a lot of big games to opposing
quarterbacks. And I think they're going to be so pissed off after
losing that game to Seattle in their own building
that they're going to smash that kid.
Do you like any running backs
in this game?
Yeah, Tevin Coleman. I like Coleman.
I kind of like Drake.
Drake and Mostert should be okay.
Yeah, and Mostert's a flex.
Alright, I'm going to put Tevin Coleman up against
Brian Hill.
I'd go Brian Hill.
I might have Coleman a spot ahead.
How about Tevin Coleman?
No, I don't. I'm going to go Hill.
Tevin Coleman or Phillip Lindsey?
Coleman.
I'll go Coleman too.
We said this is a proven week for Tevin Coleman.
All right, we're going to start him in most cases.
If he doesn't do well here, then we've got a problem.
And he didn't do well against Arizona.
One thing to keep an eye on, obviously,
I'm sure most people are hearing this after they practice,
but he did mispractice on Thursday for personal reasons.
If that becomes an issue, then obviously Raheem Mostert
becomes a must play with Breida likely out.
But just keep an eye on that for Coleman's purposes.
If he can get Mostert, he's only 22% owned.
A lot of people like him better than Ketchup.
LOL.
Jimmy Garoppolo.
No, wait, where are we at here?
With Christian Kirk and Larry Fitzgerald.
We talked about the running backs.
All right, I think we pretty much covered that.
Fitzgerald, start or sit?
Sit.
Sit if you can.
Would you start Christian Kirk orirk or tevin coleman
coleman coleman even in ppr garoppolo is what this week a quarterback you shouldn't feel good
about starting the better quarterback in this game oh the cardinals do allow the most fantasy
points to quarterbacks um and including a huge game tooppolo, but he threw a lot in that game.
We'll see.
He had Emmanuel Sanders in that game.
He did.
And he had George Kittle in that game.
George Kittle was awesome in that game.
So what do you think about San Francisco wide receivers?
I do like Debo, and I actually love him in FanDuel as well.
His price is not adjusted to what is going on in San Francisco.
Yeah, probably the two more popular guys, ownership-wise,
for the lower-end players are going to be Debo and Brighton Hill
because they're so cheap and their roles should be great.
They're cheap and there's good upside.
Yeah, there's good upside in Debo Samuel.
Okay, what about in regular redraft leagues, not DFS?
Debo is a very good flex.
He's the one remaining 49ers receiver
who doesn't make multiple mistakes a game.
Is he better than Christian Kirk?
Yes.
I don't think so, but I think it is close.
Cool.
And then how desperate do you have to be to start Ross Dwelly?
I mean, he had seven targets last week,
and now he's facing a team that stinks against tight ends.
So it's an easy scenario to start him if you're stuck at the position.
I agree.
I think he's a good streaming tight end.
I did notice that all of his routes are short routes.
He's a touchdown or bust guy.
But it's Arizona, and you just saw Tampa Bay find a way to make O.J. Howard amazing against them.
And Kyle Shanahan's pretty smart, so there's definitely room for Dwelly to be good.
Okay.
Colts tight end or Dwelly?
Colts.
Witten or Dwelly? Wts. Witten or Dwelly?
Witten.
I'll take Dwelly.
All right.
I don't want to dwell you on that too long.
San Francisco's DST is eighth for Jamie,
14th for Dave, and fifth for Heath.
Dave just sees this game going differently than Jamie does.
Chicago's at the Rams.
Who are the good starts in this game?
Well, Cooper Cup is going to be in everybody's lineup,
even after last week's donut.
It's three out of four games where he's had less than 50 yards, I think.
Yeah.
He had like 225 in the other one.
Yeah.
There's probably something going on where defenses are wising up
to how to defend him that the Bengals just did not do.
And the Bears could
potentially do it. So there's some concern,
but you're still going to start him based on that volume.
And again, if Jericho's going to get
the ball out quick, then that guy's
going to get a lot of targets. Who else? Robert Woods
will get targets too. He'll be a volume-based receiver
in PPR.
And then on the Bears' side...
What about Gurley? Yeah, I'm good. I'm good.
We're good here. Gurley, like, do we
think he's going to score? He usually scores. He didn't
last week. I mean, you need
him to score. That's the thing with him
right now.
Okay, so if Cup... Cup appears
to be the only, like, must-start here.
I think Woods qualifies, too.
Especially this week. You do? And Everett.
Oh, yeah. I forgot about And Everett. Oh, yeah.
I forgot about Gerald Everett.
It's very weird because, I mean, all three of these guys have the chance to play well,
but I think Goff's going to stink.
Right.
It's the funny thing.
Would you start Deebo Samuel or Robert Woods?
Woods.
I would start Woods.
He does not have one target inside the 10-yard line this year, by the way.
He has three red zone targets.
Josh Reynolds as a flyer. Any interest? The Bears, by the way, is three red zone targets. Josh Reynolds as a flyer.
Any interest?
The Bears, by the way, very good against wide receivers.
Okay, no interest in Reynolds.
So then let's talk about David Montgomery and Tariq Cohen.
The Rams, I think they give up the eighth fewest receiving yards to running backs.
They give up 3.6 yards per carry to running backs.
This is a bad matchup here.
And Cohen caught a touchdown
last week with a great
matchup. The Lions suck against pass-catching
running backs. Rams not so much.
Any faith in the Bears' running
backs?
It comes
down to whether or not Montgomery plays.
Yeah, I mean, I think Montgomery is
eh in both
formats.
And I
would like Cohen better
clearly if Montgomery's
out, but if he's in, then he's
a borderline flex in PPR.
Gurley's the best
running back in this game, right?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, not by much, though.
Would you start Todd Gurley,
or would you take a shot on someone like Philip Dorsett,
who has a good matchup at the Eagles?
I'd go Gurley.
Yeah, you always want to lean.
I have the suspicion that he's going to be involved
in the passing game.
You always want to lean toward guaranteed touches
when you can.
I think it is amazing, Dave.
I hope you're right, Dave,
but I think it is amazing how bad Todd Gurley
has been in the passing game this year.
I don't have his stats in front of me, but his yards per catch,
is he even averaging?
Take a guess what they are.
I'm guessing it's like 3.1.
Jamie, do you have a guess?
Todd Gurley yards per catch?
Four and a half.
What did you say?
Four and a half.
All right, so you say four and a half.
3.1.
3.5. All right, so you say 4.5. 3.1.
3.1.
The correct answer is 5.4.
Really?
5.4.
He's caught 15 of 28 targets.
That's gross.
That's really bad. 81 yards.
That's grosser than gross.
81?
He has 81 receivers?
Are you freaking kidding me?
That is so bad. Okay, guys.
Moving on here. Jared Goff is a
sit, although Heath likes him. He has him 14th.
I'd love to ask Heath about that.
We'll get to it. Gerald
Everett, you are starting. He is top 12.
He's top 7 for Dave and Jamie.
And the Rams, both DSTs
should be good here, but the Rams
are even better. They're number 1 for
Dave and Jamie, number three for Heath.
I mean, they are playing against Mitchell Trubisky.
They are.
The Jets and the Redskins here.
And the question is, because Heath gave that great note about the Redskins
just killing the clock, taking the air out of the football under Bill Callahan.
They have faced Miami, San Francisco, Minnesota, and Buffalo.
That San Francisco game was that crazy rain game.
And those are respectable defenses,
although in terms of against the run,
they're really not, except for Minnesota.
And the Jets are much better than them against the run.
Can the Redskins run the ball well enough
to ruin the fantasy values of some of the Jets, I guess?
Or does it even matter?
I think you kind of know what Crowder is at this point.
Well, but as far as the Redskins' run game,
I think that's what you're asking?
Well, I was starting with the Jets.
Basically, can the Redskins keep the Jets off the field,
and is that going to mean a bad game for Crowder or Le'Veon Bell,
the two you'd probably be starting? I mean, that's the only way the Redskins are going to be able to win this game and I think that's why they've been running the ball so much in their past couple of games anyway
they just want to try and control the clock and keep it low scoring so they have a chance to win
in the fourth quarter that's not going to change and unless unless Dwayne Haskins had a huge awakening over the last week
and change, he's going to
be a mess. He's been very sloppy.
But do you think they'll be successful?
You said don't start the
Redskins running backs. Okay, so we know that.
Well, I think AP is flexible.
I'm asking a... Well, yeah, I mean, it's
an NFL running back. I'm asking really
a question that's long-winded,
so I'll just get to it.
Like, starter, sit Sam Darnold,
that'd be on Bell, Jamison Crowder.
Go ahead.
You're going to start Bell.
I think you should start Crowder.
You could stream Darnold,
but I wouldn't have a lot of faith in him.
Yeah, it's just,
I'm hoping that Haskins has some success here because it's a perfect setup.
They're at home.
The Jets' secondary is not good.
Their pass rush isn't great.
And so, you know, he's had 10 days to prepare for this game.
Yeah.
But if you stink, you stink.
Yeah, but, I mean, look, I'm sure he does think,
but I'd like to hopefully see some signs of, you know, growth.
This isn't for fantasy, obviously, but
I still think there's a chance for him to have
some success here. I'd like to see him
complete one pass longer than 15
yards in the air.
Do you like a tight end in this game? He hasn't done that yet.
As a sleeper? Is there a sleeper tight end here?
Yeah, Rick Griffin.
Griffin could be now that Herndon's
out. We've seen Griffin get involved before.
Sure. Yep.
Sure did.
Should have had three touchdowns in two games before Herndon came back,
but that was that weird Jets game with the overturn.
And then the Redskins, I mean, the Jets defense has been pathetic. 29, 29, and 38 fantasy points to Minshew, Fitzpatrick,
and Daniel Jones in their last three games.
All three quarterbacks had a passer rating of
118 or better. It's just
unbelievable.
Maybe Dwayne Haskins will win you a million
dollars on FanDuel. I don't think we can recommend him
in regular
leagues.
It's McLaurin.
McLaurin or Samuel? Who do you like better?
Curtis Samuel or Terry McLaurin?
I'll take Curtis Samuel and Jalen Samuel over Terry
McLaurin. Curtis, Terry,
Debo.
Oh, I forgot about Debo Samuel. A lot of Samuel
and Samuels is going on here.
All right. I asked you this earlier.
I don't remember the answer. McLaurin or Crowder?
Crowder.
Crowder in PPR.
Jets DST over the Saints?
No.
You could.
It's funny because we actually, Sportsline has the Redskins DST.
They like the Redskins DST better?
That's interesting.
They have good talent.
They just, I don't know.
I'll take the Saints.
Jets, DST, or the Jaguars?
I would go Jaguars.
I'd go Jaguars.
But it's not as appealing.
I originally had the Jaguars as my number two defense to start the week before
I came back.
I get that.
Thanks, everybody.
Appreciate it. Fun show.
You forgot that one game, though.
I always forget that game.
Who's playing?
Oh, yeah.
They're playing.
All right, that's Jamie and Dave.
I'm Adam.
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