Fantasy Football Today - 11/17 Fantasy Football Podcast: Start or Sit (NFC); Is Big Ben Back?
Episode Date: November 17, 2017Covering the most important topic in sports: Sky cam (1:40)! Then our thoughts on TEN-PIT (3:45) and what the no-huddle offense could mean for Ben Roethlisberger. And is DeMarco Murray someone to sit ...now? ... An incredible stat about a terrible pass defense (12:30), Beat the Waiver Wire (16:15) for Week 12 and starting the No Touchdowns Club all over again (22:10) ... PHI-DAL (23:55), LAR-MIN (32:20), ATL-SEA (39:20), WAS-NO (48:30), KC-NYG (53:40), BAL-GB (58:04), DET-CHI (1:02:25) and some DFS lineups ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Well, Jamie, you know, on Wednesday I was saying I just want a good game.
I just want a good primetime game.
Did we get it last night?
We got a good fantasy game.
I don't know if we got a good game.
It was close and competitive for I guess long enough
Yep
Right?
It was good, I enjoyed it
Yeah, Tennessee didn't hold up its end of the bargain
In the fourth quarter
We can blame Delaney Walker for that
That dropped touchdown, that was a big one
But yeah, 40-17
So we'll start with that, we got 7 NFC home games
We got beat the Waiver Wire
We're starting the No Touchdowns Club anew
As I lost the battle
Dave won last week with Marquise Goodwin
So I'm in last place, I get first pick this week
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Riding a three game winning streak
But first, this Twitter poll
Which camera angle do you prefer?
Skycam or normal cam?
Out of over 2,000 votes
Which do you think won?
Normal cam won
Skycam won
Normal cam is the winner
55% to 45%
Yeah, that percentage sounds about right
I was raving about Skycam last night
And it felt like 45 of the responses
on twitter were i hate this thing get it off because they're just not used to it but i i
liked it when they pulled back enough that you could see every player on the field yeah would
you i didn't like it switched it up what's that they kept switching it up yeah i don't know if
i like that part either that's that was my favorite part. They showed a bunch of different angles.
What they mainly did was the sky cam
and then the traditional view.
You like just that back and forth?
Listen, it's football. I'll take it any way I can get it.
But I didn't like it.
Who had the interception?
I think it was Mariota's first interception.
It was Hilton who was running it back for Pittsburgh.
You couldn't see what was in front of him.
So that part I didn't like.
So when there's a change of possession,
they've got to go back to normal cam immediately when that happens,
and that could disorient people.
I didn't like that part, but everything else I thought was cool.
You could see coverages.
You could see how the offensive lines were blocking.
It was fun.
So, Jamie, which one would you prefer if you were watching a game?
The Sky Camp.
Really?
You know what I felt?
I felt like I enjoyed it for evaluating football.
You know, it was easier to kind of get a gauge of what players were doing.
But if I had been a Steelers or Titans fan or if I have any rooting interest in a game,
I would hate watching it on
Skycam. I feel like it's not as exciting. You know, you can't, I feel like, I feel like it's
more analyzing football rather than like getting into the game. If that had been a Giants game or
something, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have liked it. But it was cool. And it was, you know, it was
interesting and people were pretty split on it. So, you know, good experiment. Good stuff. Now, to the game.
Pittsburgh 40, Tennessee 17.
Biggest takeaway from this game, Ben Roethlisberger said dilly-dilly at the line of scrimmage,
and it was terrific.
But I think— That was the biggest takeaway?
That was it.
I mean, yeah.
So moving on.
So, yeah, they go no huddle.
He throws 45 passes.
He scores 36 fantasy points with four touchdowns and 299 yards, three of them to Antonio Brown, one to Jesse James, who
had eight targets with Vance McDonald inactive. What do we expect from the Steelers' offense
going forward? Are they going to be using this more often, and is Ben Roethlisberger
going to be damn good rest of season? I think there's a real chance for it.
I love the fact that they only have two road games left the rest of the season,
and they're at Cincinnati and at Houston.
So it's not like they're going to be that tough of matchups for Roethlisberger
away from Heinz Field.
And maybe they kind of uncovered something here,
that using the no huddle works for Roethlisberger.
This is how it typically is for NFL offenses.
They get in the no huddle, they have success with it, and then for whatever reason, they
get away from it.
Well, they talked about this last night about how being at home versus on the road allows
them to operate their offense differently because of the crowd noise.
Right, right.
And they also said that they wanted to get James Conner in there to spell Le'Veon Bell
because it was a short week.
So Bell got 12 carries, Conner got 5, but that's 17 total carries.
We're used to seeing Bell get close to 30.
Maybe they went no huddle because of the short week,
and they didn't want to give Le'Veon Bell that much work.
He did catch nine passes, which is outstanding.
They might have gone no huddle to tire out Tennessee's defense further.
Tennessee's defense played a lot of snaps last week.
Yeah, maybe.
And they know the strength of the defense, of the Tennessee defense,
is the run defense.
And Le'Veon Bell was half an inch away from scoring a touchdown,
and he had 100 total yards, so you're fine with it, and great in PPR.
But, yeah, I mean, Jamie, do you feel comfortable starting Ben Roethlisberger
basically the rest of the way?
Yeah, I have him, I think, in like six or seven leagues.
Whoa.
Congratulations. Yes. I'm off in like six or seven leagues. Whoa. Congratulations.
Yes.
I'm off to a good start this week.
I have him in three of nine leagues.
I did not play against Antonio Brown in one league.
I don't think I did either in 21.
Wow.
That's great.
In 21 leagues, you didn't play against Antonio Brown in one?
No, I have him in two of them.
But I haven't checked all of my scores, but the ones that I did check, no.
I still think it's incredible that you play in 21 leagues.
You set waivers for 21 leagues?
Animal.
Yeah, it is incredible.
I'm only in 13.
I'm an amateur.
Dave, let's head to the Titans.
Mariota with 16 fantasy points.
So still only one game with more than 18 this year.
Two, maybe four great matchups in a row, at least three, at Indianapolis, Houston, at Arizona, at San Francisco.
Talk about Mariota.
I think he'll bounce back from this.
I like the fact that he threw for 300 yards.
The four interceptions kind of stinks.
One of them was not on him.
A couple of overthrows, that's a problem.
Hopefully something that gets fixed.
And I like the fact that he ran for a touchdown.
Shows you that his wheels are back in play as an option for him.
And maybe the best part about it all is that Tennessee couldn't run the ball.
So maybe the coaches will start to think, well, that's a part of our offense
that we can't lean on anymore.
And it will force Mariota to have these games with 33 attempts.
You sound optimistic right now.
People could be really down.
And I love the schedule ahead as well.
Oh, they're going to be great from this point forward.
He just hasn't – I agree, but he just hasn't been good this year.
No, but keep in mind that Delaney Walker dropped a touchdown.
Yeah, that's true.
And if Corey Davis doesn't have a ball bounce off his hands,
that's one interception wiped off the board.
I think Mariota will be fine.
This was a disappointing performance, but you shouldn't have started him unless you had no other options.
He wasn't in my top 12.
He was in my top 15.
I don't know where you had him, James.
I had him in my top 15.
Okay, so that's fine.
The four interceptions, I don't think anybody could have predicted.
He was only started in 39% of leagues,
and Roethlisberger was only started in 65% of leagues.
Anyway, I am annoyed and worried about DeMarco Murray.
Jamie, he's got two carries this year of more than 20 yards.
What do you think?
He's not good.
I mean, you know, we're, I think, starting to see the effects of a 29-year-old DeMarco Murray,
a 29-year-old LaShawn McCoy.
These guys are starting to hit a wall.
And so I'm still hopeful for McCoy.
But Murray's got a guy playing behind him that's better.
And it's just time that they give Derrick Henry more touches, more carries.
They're going to get asked about that in Tennessee this week,
both Robiski, the offensive coordinator, and Malarkey.
And it's going to be interesting to see how they spin it
because they're going to want to use both of them.
But the time has come where you've got to use Henry a little bit more on early downs.
Murray is adept at third downs, had five catches,
saved his day in PPR leagues a little bit.
But I would be surprised if he had a big game the rest of the season.
To me, he's one of several running backs,
and we'll talk about a lot on today's podcast, who are touchdown or bust.
If he doesn't score, he's not getting you 100 total yards.
You can't feel great starting him.
But again, the schedule works out in his favor moving forward.
If he gets those opportunities.
Yeah.
The one thing that we've seen with Malarkey is even when Murray's been less than 100%,
games that he probably should have been sitting, he still sticks with him.
Okay, Delaney Walker has become an absolute must-start in PPR leagues.
This is now four straight games with five to seven catches.
He's been 63 or more yards in all four.
He just doesn't score, and he should have had a touchdown last night,
but he still does not have a receiving touchdown this year,
but Walker's been great.
And then to sum it, just to finish it up,
Rashard Matthews, he's 70% owned.
Is Rashard Matthews the best Titans
wide receiver rest of season?
Yeah, but he's
not one worth getting excited about.
Why? Look at all these great...
Look at all these great matchups, though.
Fine. He'd be a number three receiver
for those great matchups.
Oh, man. I disagree.
I think it's the Colts. great matchups. Oh, man. I disagree.
Against the Colts?
And then Houston?
Oh, yeah.
70% owned?
I think Rashard Matthews is one of my top waiver wire priorities next week,
if he's available. If you can get him.
Same with Davis, though.
I'm not giving up on Davis.
There's a lot that I like about him, and there's a little I don't like about him.
And I like his size but i i just feel
like he's not nearly as fast or quick as you'd want a first round receiver to be he's getting
opportunities they're they're force feeding on the football once again led their receivers and
targets he did he's gonna have a monster second i hope he does because i i feel like we're at the
point with him where you got to see it before you start him yeah i just feel like we're at the point with him where you've got to see it before you start him. Yeah, I just feel like we're also always underestimating Rashard Matthews,
and he just finds a way to get it done.
I mean, would he also have a monster second half?
Yeah, I think they're both set up to play well.
Yeah, all right, good.
How many long touchdowns are we going to get from him?
He just always does something, Dave.
He's good. If he had scored last week, we'd be talking about three touchdowns are we going to get from him? He just always does something, Dave. He's good.
If he had scored last week, we'd be talking about three touchdowns in a row.
The one he dropped right in his hands.
Yeah.
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Getting into the games, I just want to give this stat.
We'll talk about this game a little bit later, but this absolutely blew my mind.
In the last two games, the Giants have given up seven catches of 40 or more yards.
Seven catches of 40 or more yards in their last two games.
What?
You want a stat to match that stat?
Yeah.
Tyreek Hill has at least a 30-yard catch in each road game this year,
and that catch has been a touchdown in four of five road games.
He got so lucky against the Cowboys.
Dallas?
Yes, big time. So lucky. road games. He got so lucky against the Cowboys. Dallas? Yes.
Big time.
So lucky.
I was doing the notes, the research last night, and I realized I never saw that play because
I was driving into the office.
I never saw it.
So I looked at it.
I finally YouTubed it and saw it.
That was when you were here, right?
Yeah.
But yeah, I missed it in transit.
I was like, what?
How did he do that?
Incredible.
News and notes.
Anthony Lynn expects Phillip Rivers to play.
It's not a certainty, but he expects Phillip Rivers to play.
So that's good.
Tyron Smith reportedly will not play this week.
And Dak Prescott, very different in the rankings.
One of these analysts doesn't like him.
The other, or two actually, have him.
I think top eight.
Seattle left tackle Dwayne Brown will be a game-time decision.
That's the Monday night game against Atlanta.
But Cam Chancellor is unlikely to play, which is very good news for Matt Ryan.
Corey Coleman will play this week.
Any interest in Brown's wide receiver Corey Coleman?
Who's he playing again?
Any long-term interest.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I don't want to start him this week.
But sure, I'd stash him.
He's going to have some decent matchups coming up.
Okay.
Coleman is 33% owned, and yes, he is facing Jacksonville this week.
About as bad of a matchup as you can get.
As bad as you can get.
Alex Collins, Jamie, they say he's going to remain Baltimore's feature back.
What do you think that means, and do you expect to see Danny Woodhead this week?
I do expect to see Danny Woodhead this week. I do expect to see Danny Woodhead this week.
I do expect Alex Collins to still be their primary running downs guy.
I do like the matchup for him against Green Bay,
so he is in play as a number two flex option this week.
So I think that we will still have another good game from Alex Collins.
Dolphins offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen said Devontae Parker
is lacking the edge that he had coming out of training camp
and maybe a nagging injury.
That could be the reason why.
But it's just another year where it's another excuse, another reason why Devontae Parker is not meeting expectations.
I think he goes off this week.
I hope so.
Set up for it.
If he doesn't, do you kind of see what Christensen's saying and maybe just keep on with that and see what happens?
To me, this is total motivation.
Because if he's playing hurt, he's not in injury port.
He's been out there every game since he's come back from the injury.
He's been out there with a majority of the snaps since he's come back from injury.
So I just think this is, hey, get your bleep in gear.
Right, because I feel like the knock on him has been that he has these little injuries
and he holds himself back, whereas the coaches want him to play through them.
They expect him to play through them, and he doesn't really give that effort.
Well, let's go with Devontae Parker.
Do you expect the following players, Drew Stanton at Houston?
Oh, boy.
This is a huge one for fantasy.
You don't think it's big for Larry Fitzgerald owners?
No.
Drew Stanton and Blaine Gabbert, what's the difference?
I mean, there's got to be a difference.
He's not going to play.
It's going to be Blaine Gabbert, and it's going to be just fine for Larry Fitzgerald.
Do you expect Jimmy Graham?
Yes.
Jordan Reed?
No.
Alshon Jeffrey?
He popped up on the injury report yesterday, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
He says he's going to play them.
Okay.
So then yes.
Chris Hogan.
No.
Okay.
Not a lot of injuries.
Good stuff.
Let's beat the waiver wire.
Okay.
Was that crowd noise you just made?
Yeah, it was.
It was crowd noise.
I couldn't really hear it.
I have Matt Forte on here.
He's 72% owned. He's got
a bye this week facing Carolina next
week. I just think in PPR,
it's a chance Matt Forte comes back next week
and 72% might be a little low.
So there's that. I got
some other names on here. I'll also say the same thing.
Go pick up Elijah McGuire in case Matt Forte does not
come back. Okay, but you're not going to want
to start McGuire against Carolina. I'm not going touire in case Matt Forte does not come back. Okay, but you're not going to want to start McGuire against Carolina.
I'm not going to want to start Matt Forte against Carolina either,
but I would like to have, if Matt Forte is out for the rest of the season,
for whatever reason, the chance to have Elijah McGuire on my team.
Gotcha.
Okay, I've got some quarterbacks.
Eli Manning, 62%.
Not loving it because, I don't know, it's Thursday, but at Washington,
they've been really bad against quarterbacks. So Eli Manning, 62%. Not loving it because, I don't know, it's Thursday. But at Washington, they've been really bad against quarterbacks.
So Eli Manning at Washington.
Nate Peterman at Kansas City.
That's a long shot.
Josh McCown against Carolina, 55% owned.
Jacoby Brissett against Tennessee.
That's one of his 1,000 revenge games he's going to have.
Josh McCown.
I can't even keep track.
Jacoby Brissett against Tennessee.
Jay Cutler at New England.
Eli at Washington. Peterman at Kansas
City. McCown against the Panthers.
Jacoby Brissett against the Titans.
Jay Cutler at New England.
What do you think? Are these worthy of...
Even I, if anybody's dropped, Phillip Rivers.
Yeah.
That's a good point. Who do they have next week?
The Chargers
Sorry, I looked that up
Yeah, you guys like any of those options?
I like Brissette
Rivers is at Dallas
Here's what I might do
I might take Eli now
And if Eli plays well
Then I would have faith in him at Washington next week
On Thanksgiving night
Otherwise, I pick up Eli If he stinks, I dump him plays well, then I would have faith in him at Washington next week on Thanksgiving night.
Otherwise, I'd pick up Eli.
If he stinks, I'd dump him and I'd go get Jacoby Brissett.
Okay.
And you know what? Scratch that. Do that with Cutler. Because if Cutler
looks good this week against Tampa Bay, he should
be fine at New England. He'll throw a lot.
It'll be one of those 300
2-2 games against New England.
But if he looks terrible or if he gets hurt, then you pivot to Brissette.
There are a bunch of beat-the-waiver-wire guys that could just have good games,
like Corey Coleman.
I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Dontrell Inman.
But Jeremy Macklin is 79% owned.
Bruce Ellington.
That's a good one.
In shallow leagues.
What's his ownership?
Do you know off the top of your head?
Low.
It's definitely low.
Hold on.
It is 3%.
So literally somebody who's out there in every single league,
and that's a good call, especially PPR leagues.
He's shaping up to be one of those 5 for 50 guys every week with obvious upside.
That's Bruce Ellington we're talking about for Houston.
Jeremy Macklin is 79% owned.
He's facing Houston this week and Green Bay next week.
No, Green Bay this week and Houston next week.
Excuse me.
So Macklin could work for you in both this week and next week.
But just one thing on Ellington.
What if Will Fuller comes back?
Then he'll probably lose some targets to him.
But this is a nice short area option for Savage slash Yates to lean on.
Because what's happening is Hopkins is getting covered properly,
and so all these other receivers are in one-on-ones,
and Texans have to learn to take advantage of them.
I would say if you need a receiver this week, Ellington's in a good spot
because you know what the receiver opposite Patrick Peterson has done.
That's true.
There's a receiver I also like a lot.
51% owned. You might have
heard of him on this podcast before.
Jamison Crowder.
Tons of targets the last couple of weeks.
Really crappy game.
Giants next week. Love it.
I know, but he's playing in the slot.
That's good.
Yeah, I'm pumped. I think he's going to be good this week. Love it. I know, but he's playing in the slot. It's good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pumped.
Yeah.
James McRae.
I think he's going to be good this week.
So if you're in a pinch this week, you could start him.
I like him better than Ellington.
Oh, yeah.
And I kind of feel like he's someone who could help save your season.
Kind of a mid-season.
He's been their only reliable receiver over multiple weeks.
They haven't had a guy over multiple weeks play well.
Yes.
And once again, I will say it, beat the waiver wire on Greg Olson because he, as of yesterday, was 77% owned and needs to be 100% owned.
And once he comes on our podcast, he's going to be 150% owned, obviously.
DSTs for next week.
You look at the Redskins.
They're facing the Giants on Thursday.
The Bengals.
I mean, the Bengals are a good two-week option.
Denver this week, Cleveland next week.
65% owned. Got anything
else? Titans too.
Can't get them now, but their schedule is very nice.
Yeah, that's why I left them out, but
they'd be nice.
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All right, real quick, let's do the no touchdowns club.
So I'm the big loser, but we're starting over, and I get the first pick,
and I am taking, score his first touchdown of the year, Blaine Gabbert.
Yo, Gabbert, Gabbert, you are my first pick.
Who did I say?
I said Dave has a second pick, right?
Yep.
And with Gabbert obviously being a good option since he's a quarterback playing the Texans,
I'm going to take Jamison Crowder.
Really believe that he bounces back after a bad game last week.
Still believe the targets will be there.
Matchup in the slot against New Orleans has been favorable.
I think it will be specifically favorable for a quick route runner like him.
I think he will score his first touchdown of 2017.
Jamie, we got Alex Collins, Alfred Morris, Dontrell Inman.
Who do you think is scoring this week?
I'll take Blaine Gabbert on a rushing touchdown.
What?
No, I took Blaine Gabbert.
Huh?
I took Blaine Gabbert.
But does that cover you for rushing and passing?
Yeah, he's my guy.
I will take...
I'll take Justin Tucker on a fake field goal.
Come on, Jamie.
You're going to be stuck in the no touchdowns club.
Oh, darn.
You can think about it.
Oh, we're having fun.
Has a Seattle running back scored a touchdown this year?
No.
I'm going to take the kicker on a fake field goal.
All right, you're taking Justin Tucker.
How about he gets every kicker?
Nope, I just want Tucker.
All right, yippee-ki-yay, Justin Tucker for Jamie.
And then Heath is going with Alex Collins,
which is probably a better Raven to have than Justin Tucker.
I do have a bonanza.
I'll tell you about it in a little bit.
Let's go to the games.
Philadelphia is at Dallas.
This is a big Sunday night game.
Hopefully it's good. No Tyron Smith could obviously change things, but let's talk about the Eagles wide receivers. I want to start with stat of the game.
Outside wide receivers against Dallas, they don't do very well. Demarius Thomas, seven fantasy
points. Jordy Nelson, eight. Devontae Adams had a good game. That was nice. Julio Jones, 5.
I mean, they're good there for some reason.
They're not good against the slot guys.
Is Nelson Aguilar better than Alshon Jeffery this week?
He could be.
Especially if he's banged up.
Do you have it ranked that way?
Not yet.
Okay.
Now, you guys are confident in Alshon Jeffery?
Would you start him this week?
Yeah, you've got to be excited about the way he's played the last two games coming into this matchup.
Yeah.
I just think Dallas is going to fall apart.
I think their defense is in trouble.
No Sean Lee, no Tyron Smith.
No Ezekiel Elliott.
Those are three of their five best players.
That's hard to win.
It is like almost an elimination game for them, though.
That might be a little strong, but it's a huge game.
They've got to bring it at home.
It's a primetime game.
It'll be terrible.
Don't you remember the last time we saw Carson Wentz play what he did?
Really tough matchup at home, and he shredded the Denver Broncos.
He's been great all year. You've got to think that with urts being back that'll take one touchdown and jeffrey and nagler could each get one or one
could have a score and the other one could have 80 90 yards i think it's all in play and i think
you start these guys just based on what the upside is given the state of philly's offense okay which of the
two or both would you start over des bryant both that would be a both wow okay so is it start all
eagles sit all cowboys is for me i was moving alfred morris down in my rankings last night
and i don't feel bad about it at all i was half tempted in one
league to start derrick henry out of them i'm glad i didn't but i think they could both be
well you know what henry is i don't think alf will be any better than five points better maximum
the one thing i'll say about dac prescott is he had an average game 17 fantasy points last week that
was with the left tackle issue being a big problem i can't help but think the cowboys will address
that they've already changed who the left tackle will be i think they'll probably give byron bell
that's the replacement some help with some blocking i i'm giving dak the benefit of the
doubt he's still a top 12 quarterback for me. I recognize what the downside is. This is a tough matchup for him,
but I can't pull the trigger on starting
Cutler ahead
of him. I can't pull the trigger
on Blake Bortles ahead
of him. Matt Ryan.
Yeah, for me,
that's easy. I know.
I just think he played
so...
He played well under the circumstances last week,
and these are worse circumstances.
The only thing that's probably a saving grace for him is that he's at home.
But the Eagles coming off their bye week, getting healthy on defense,
seeing what happened to him last week,
Dez not getting separation when he's trying to run his routes,
lack of a run game.
I mean, there are just so many things that are slated against him.
Could he play well?
Absolutely.
He's a great player.
And so that's the thing you have to keep in mind. I mean, there are just so many things that are slated against him. Could he play well? Absolutely. He's a great player.
And so that's the thing you have to keep in mind.
I would have started Mariota over him last night,
and I think that Mariota's 16 fantasy points will be better than Dak Prescott,
or at least on par, and 100% started Ben Roethlisberger over him.
And there's no way that Dak is catching that.
The guys that I'd like to compare him to on this podcast are Cousins, Stafford, and Ryan.
Because I know that those are three quarterbacks that you definitely have ahead of Dak.
They're all in much better situations.
They are.
And I have Dak ahead of all three of them.
And I'm open to changing my mind.
So we'll talk about them as we go along. But I know what Dak's capable of.
And I believe that the Cowboys can at least fix the offensive line issue.
The matchup, it's tough.
There's no doubt. But Dak's done well in tough matchups before. And line issue. The matchup, it's tough, there's no doubt.
But Dak's done well in tough matchups before.
And it is a tough matchup.
I mean, the Eagles basically had two really bad games
against the Giants and at the Chargers defensively.
They were so beat up in the secondary.
Other than that, they've really done a nice job.
They've done a good job against wide receivers,
which is why you guys are a little hesitant on Des Bryant.
And Alfred Morris, I mean, how about this for Alfred Morris?
First of all, teams just don't run the ball very often on the Eagles. Only one guy has... I think, no, nobody has more than 13
parries in a game against the Eagles. And Kareem Hunt has 81 rushing yards against the Eagles. He's
the only running back with more than 38 rushing yards against Philadelphia. They allow about 66
rushing yards per game total. So that's number one in the NFL.
So Alf is not somebody I'm starting this week, or you guys either.
Des Bryant, though, I got to get some Des Bryant's oars.
We're obviously starting Nelson Aguilar over him.
Would you start Mohamed Sanu or Des Bryant?
I'd rank him Sanu, Aguilar, Bryant.
I would put both guys in the Eagles-Cowboys games over Sanu.
Keith brought up a great point the other day,
that we haven't seen Sanu play well when Austin Hooper's had targets.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you've seen the last three weeks of Austin Hooper having targets,
and Sanu's production has gone way down.
Yeah, we will preview that game shortly.
Would you start Dez Bryant or Jeremy Macklin?
Well, that's Macklin. Macklin. All right, so get away from Dez. I Jeremy Macklin? Well, that's Macklin.
Macklin.
All right, so get away from Dez.
I have him 30th among wide receivers.
Heath has him 18th.
Jamie has him 32nd.
So Dave and Jamie do not like Dez this week.
Jason Witten, any hope for him?
Not if he's got a block, which is potentially part of the formula.
I thought he was going to do that last week, and he didn't.
He played well.
I think he's top 15 tight end in standard leagues and slightly better in PPR.
Okay, obviously we're starting Zagerts.
We're starting Carson Wentz, and you like the two Eagles receivers enough.
Jay Ajayi or Nelson Aguilar?
Who's a better flex?
I love Jay Ajayi this week.
All right, yeah, talk to me about that. Why do you guys like Ajayi or Nelson Aguilar? Who's a better flex? I love Ajayi this week. Talk to me about that. Why do you guys like Ajayi
so much?
The narrative of them giving him more work,
which they should, and I
would expect him to lead the
team in touches. Whether
he leads them in snaps remains to be seen because this could be
a blowout win where you're getting Corey Clement
in the end of the game, like we saw
their last matchup against Denver.
But the fact that Sean Lee is not there either, I think that's the biggest thing.
So you're getting a guy that should have, I'll say, 15 touches.
He's not going to do much in the passing game.
But probably 15 carries.
The last two games that Sean Lee missed, they couldn't stop anybody.
It was Aaron Jones and Todd Gurley, so take that for what it's worth.
Jones with a healthy Aaron Rodgers.
And Tevin Coleman, too, Jamie.
And Tevin Coleman last week.
And Tevin Coleman last week.
I was just looking at the two games that he missed completely.
But, yeah, it's a bad run defense.
It's a good rushing offense.
I think LeGarrette Blount's even still in play as a flex option
because he's going to get probably 8 to 10 carries and can score, too.
All right.
I'll compare a giant.
That's why we didn't really talk about it on Tuesday.
That's why I still had him in the spot that I did with the guys that are potentially still
available.
Sure.
You had said you wanted to come back to it.
I don't think we ever did.
Oh, okay.
You guys have Ajayi in your top 10.
Heath is a little lower.
He's got him 15th.
We'll compare Ajayi to some other players throughout the show.
I think that's it.
Is Rod Smith Hail Mary PPR?
Is that it for Smith?
Yeah.
And another stash candidate, too.
He's still available in two-thirds of CBS leagues.
If Alf can't get it done in these opportunities,
they're going to turn to Smith,
who has already shown that he's got that passing dance job.
Philadelphia has allowed the third most receptions to running backs.
I like him better than Morris in PPR.
I can't go there in standard leagues because I don't think he'll get any scoring opportunities
if they are at the goal line.
So that's where Morris has a better advantage, clearly.
But I do think with how bad the offensive line could be, how bad the defense could be,
how good the Eagles' offense could be, that with the Cowboys chasing points,
you're going to see a lot of dump-off passes to Rod Smith,
especially if the secondary is playing well.
Yeah.
Now their last game, the Eagles did very well against the Broncos' running backs.
The three games before that, they allowed a receiving touchdown to Christian McCaffrey, Chris Thompson, and Matt Breida.
The game before that, nine catches, 65 yards to Andre Ellington.
So if there's one vulnerability in the defense, it might be that.
It might be pass-catching running backs.
Because they're aggressive.
Yeah.
Los Angeles Rams at Minnesota.
I think this is the best, most exciting, the game I'm most excited for.
Put it that way.
Me too.
Can't wait.
Here's your stat of the game.
According to History.com, Vikings did not wear horned helmets, and they were known for excellent hygiene, Dave.
They had tweezers.
Really?
Yeah.
Tweezers, razors, combs, and ear cleaners made from animal bones and antlers.
Hold on a second.
Why did you say excellent hygiene, Dave?
I don't know.
Are you trying to insinuate that I don't have good hygiene?
Just seemed like something you'd be really interested in knowing.
I shower once a week just like everybody else.
Yeah, but you got me beat.
I'm just saying I've got very good hygiene.
Minnesota has not allowed 20 points in a home game yet.
They're 4-1 at home.
Will they allow 20 points in a home game yet. They're 4-1 at home.
Will they allow 20 points in this game? Maybe. I don't think it's going to be 27.
Oh, man. It could be 20 or 21. If you're asking the Rams to score three touchdowns,
I think they can score three. I don't think they can score four.
Start or sit Jared Goff? Nervous because of the matchup, especially with the Vikings' defense,
A, at home, B, getting Everson Griffin back.
It's going to help them.
They're going to be able to put pressure on Goff,
and he's taken advantage of bad defenses over the past couple weeks.
This isn't one of them.
I think he's going to have a hard time.
Goff or Prescott?
Dak.
Goff.
Yeah, it's Goff for Jamie, but Goff is 13th. He's behind Blake Bortles for Jamie.
He's ahead of Blake Bortles for Dave.
Let's see if you guys agree on anything.
You'd start Phillip Rivers over Jared Goff.
We'd start Roethlisberger over Goff.
Yeah, yes, you would.
You'd start Kirk Cousins over Jared Goff.
You would start Jared Goff
over Ryan Fitzpatrick and
Marcus Mariota.
Alright then. Todd Gurley,
he's facing the best team
against opposing running backs. He's a start.
You're starting him. Would you use him in
daily or get away from Gurley?
Maybe
in DraftKings daily.
PPR.
Rams receivers. Starting any of them? Maybe in DraftKings daily. PPR. Full-point PPR.
Okay.
Rams receivers.
Starting any of them?
Don't want to.
Who's the best?
It's a tough matchup.
You know what the cornerbacks in Minnesota have.
Xavier Rhodes shuts down half the field every play.
And the other side, Trey Waynes has been playing pretty good.
The safeties play great. Linebackers do a great job
It's going to be hard for Jared Goff
They're going to have to get creative
That is what Sean McVay does
But they've got to get creative
In a consistent and successful way
And I don't want to buy in
So I'm staying away
Would you start Alfred Morris or Robert Woods?
Woods in a PPR is a no-brainer.
I think I'd probably go with Woods in a standard as well.
Yeah, I'd take Woods as well.
What are you thinking?
Like 5 for 70 is the floor with Robert Woods?
What he was before the two began.
Right.
About 70 yards.
Yeah.
So I've asked.
I know you guys haven't heard of me, but Woods is the best Rams receiver this week.
Yep.
Yep.
Okay. All right, Jamie, is the best Rams receiver this week. Yep, yep. Okay.
All right, Jamie, let's move on to the Vikings.
Any interest in Case Keenum coming off a 32-point game in Week 10,
a 21-point game at Cleveland in Week 9?
What do you think?
He's 49% on.
Any interest in Keenum this week?
Nope.
Okay.
Yeah, the Rams, their defense is not as good.
It has not been as good on the road
They faced four quarterbacks on the road
Brian Hoyer, 29 points
Dak Prescott, 28
And then Bortles, 14
And Manning, 16
But he could have had a much bigger game
He missed two open touchdowns
So it's interesting
But nobody's starting, I guess, K. Skeenum this week
Jamie, how about the Minnesota running backs?
The Rams allow the sixth most fantasy points
to opposing running backs, but I've dug
in. I really think they're getting better against
the run. What do you think about
Jarek McKinnon and Latavius Murray this week?
I would avoid
Murray. He'll get
carries, so without a touchdown
he's probably looking at a five to six fantasy
point day. But McKinnon, because of his
ability to catch the ball, should still be fine. I think he's shown that in tough matchups, you
know, the Cleveland game, for example, they had done such a good job against, you know, running
backs and running games. He was able to score against them and his pass catching ability, I
think, will have to be big in this game. It's not an easy situation for him, but given the running
back landscape and what he should be able to do from his total touches, he's still a borderline number one, certainly a top 15 running back in every format.
Jared McKinnon or Jay Ajayi?
Ajayi.
Ajayi.
How about in PPR?
Still Ajayi.
Jamie goes McKinnon, Dave sticks with Ajayi.
Jared McKinnon or, well, definitely over Alfred Morris, right?
Yeah.
Yeah. Latavius definitely over Alfred Morris, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Latavius Murray or Alfred Morris?
Alf.
I'll take Morris, but it's close.
Okay.
And then which Vikings wide receiver do you like better?
Dillon.
Okay.
Yeah, he's number one now.
He gets so many targets.
He has, like, double-digit targets.
He's top ten or two.
And what about Diggs?
Is he a must-start?
He's an okay number two.
I mean, look, you saw last week, tough matchup he scores.
He's just good.
I don't think there's any way around it.
He's just a very good player.
Both are top 20 receivers for sure
Kyle Rudolph is 88% owned
Probably not warranted
Would you start him over Jason Witten?
You guys are kind of lukewarm on Witten
I think they're kind of the same player
But the difference is that Rudolph
Will go out for more passes
And catch more
The targets have been consistent with him
He's a low end starting tight end
So Rudolph over Witten? Yes and catch more, the targets have been consistent with him. He's a low-end starting tight end.
So Rudolph over Witten?
Yes.
PPR for sure, standard for sure.
Rudolph or Brait?
I've got Brait one spot higher.
I'll take Brait with the matchup.
All right.
And I think the DSTs are really interesting. I looked at three offenses that I think are very good
that the Vikings have faced this year.
They faced the Saints, the Steelers, and the Redskins.
Two of them on the road.
They did very, very poorly in all three of those games.
So it gave me confidence to drop the Vikings DST for the Eagles.
Do you guys think the Vikings are worth starting this week?
And would you rather start the Rams DST, which has had five big games in a row?
But both teams are facing offenses that don't give up a lot rather start the Rams DST, which has had five big games in a row,
but both teams are facing offenses that don't give up a lot of fantasy points to DSTs?
I would try to avoid both.
I mean, there's so many options out there for you that you could find.
The Eagles, like you said, the Bengals, the Chargers,
the Saints are still available in some leagues.
Yeah, it's just...
The Rams probably just because
we've seen Keenum get a little turnover from them.
I like the Vikings a little bit better,
but combined, they've allowed
five DSTs to get you double digits
in fantasy points this season.
That's it. Two teams over ten weeks.
So, I wouldn't expect
monster games from either one.
Alright, Atlanta is at Seattle.
All right, Dave, you wanted to talk about Matt Ryan.
I think it's interesting because stat of the game, number one,
recent history tells us that Matt Ryan should have a good game,
except the fact that he hasn't been that good this year.
But he lit them up twice last year, 27 and 31 fantasy points.
No Richard Sherman.
Camp Chancellor unlikely to play.
Last year, two quarterbacks came into Seattle and scored 27 fantasy points.
Matt Ryan was one.
Tyrod Taylor was the other.
Cam Chancellor missed both of those games.
Tyrod Taylor did a lot of it with his legs.
But it just seems like this is no longer a tough matchup for Matt Ryan.
So what do you think
well it's a matter first and foremost of trusting matt ryan he has only one game this year with 20
or more fantasy points it was two weeks ago and he gave you 22 his last four games 18 19 22 and 18
so he's been close it seems a little ridiculous to say that he's going to go into seattle
and pull off another 20-point game,
but you have to respect the track record.
It's clear that the Falcons know how to attack this defense, and they've done it when this defense has been stronger.
Now they're weaker.
I think it's going to come down to, A, how that pass rush is for Seattle and whether or not they get to Matt Ryan,
and, B, whether Matt Ryan overthrows his receivers.
If he can keep on target, he's going to have a huge game.
If he doesn't, he's going to be somewhere between what he's been,
which is 18 and 22 fantasy points.
I think you can still start him with relative confidence
given everything that's going on.
Okay.
And you don't have him ahead of Dak Prescott,
but considering it, Matt Ryan?
If I hear a good argument for it, I'll consider it.
And if there's more missing besides Chancellor and Sherman,
then I might go for it.
Yeah, I love Matt Ryan this week.
I think he showed you he can go into Seattle in a tougher situation last week
and play great.
Some of the things that have gone on for him the last couple of weeks,
not necessarily his fault.
I mean, think if Julio Jones catches that long touchdown
that was wide open, that's a, what,
30-plus point game, probably?
That was a 39-yard touchdown,
so that's nine points that he lost.
So he's 31 points there,
if he catches that pass.
I just don't
think the Seattle defense, with what they're missing, is the
same. And so, Ryan is going
to have his second 20-plus point game of the season,
and he will be much better than Dak Prescott.
Okay, so stats, stat of the day, number one.
Now let's look at Russell Wilson.
Stat of the game, number two.
The Falcons allowed the sixth-fewest passing yards in the NFL,
and no quarterback has scored more than 22 fantasy points against the Atlanta Falcons.
That includes Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
Josh McCown actually did score 22.
He's the best so far against the Falcons, but Rodgers and Brady, 21 points.
Stafford, 17.
Cam, 19.
And he had 86 yards and a touchdown rushing.
Prescott, 13.
Russell Wilson, is he – I mean, everybody's going to start him.
Is he a little bit downgraded this week?
Could Matt Ryan be better than Russell Wilson?
What do we think?
Well, if you want to compare track records, Russell Wilson has been amazing.
He's had at least 22 fantasy points in each of his last four games.
And if you took a look at how he's done against Atlanta,
it's almost like the opposite of Matt Ryan
because Russell Wilson has not done well in his last two games against the Falcons.
One of them, no touchdowns.
Another one, two touchdowns but two picks.
One game, 49 rushing yards.
Another one, seven rushing yards.
His completion percentage has been up and down in these two games.
I think it's funny how if Matt Ryan had the type of numbers that Russell Wilson had,
you'd probably say,
I can't trust him in this one because the matchup's too tough.
But it's Russell Wilson, and he's been playing so well lately, and you kind of can't get away from him.
And if you had Wilson and Ryan, I wouldn't blame you for going with Wilson over Ryan.
And I think that that's what people should do.
I think that given the state of this run game for Seattle, given the state of the defense
now for Seattle, maybe it means that Wilson's going to
have to throw more. I think he's got a
chance at another nice game. Does he have the
best game to date against
this squad?
22 or more against Falcons?
What's the high score
on Atlanta?
22. I'll say he beats it.
He's been great.
I mean, if they, first off, they win the division, he's the MVP of the NFL.
And if they make the playoffs, he's going to be among the contenders.
This team is terrible when you look at it.
They can't run the ball.
His receivers are okay.
Defense is falling apart.
It's nowhere near what it's been.
He's carrying them.
But one thing he does have, Russell Wilson, or Seattle, is a great run defense.
So start or sit, Tevin Coleman, who had 20 carries for 83 yards and a touchdown last week.
He has only four catches in his last five games.
This is a ferocious run defense.
Start or sit, Tevin Coleman?
Start.
He does a lot more than just take handoffs.
He can catch passes out of the backfield.
And without Devontae Freeman there to work away on him,
I think Coleman just has too much potential to sit.
He's going to have an ugly rushing average,
but he's had five games this season with at least ten touches.
He scored double digits and fancy points in four of them.
Last year that happened 11 times.
He scored double digits and fancy points in seven of them. So when, that happened 11 times. He scored double-digit fantasy points in seven of them.
So when he gets work, he's usually productive from a fantasy standpoint.
And, I mean, it's the same thing like with the Titans backfield.
If one guy were to be eliminated, the other guy would be awesome,
mostly the younger guy.
In this case, this is the younger guy.
Not by much, but he's still the younger guy.
But I think this is a big game for Tevin Coleman, fantasy-wise.
It's not going to be a five-yard carry average.
It's not going to be a lot of big explosive plays,
but he'll grind his way to probably 15 fantasy points.
Is he, well, first of all, if that's the case, Coleman or Ajayi?
Ajayi, but it's close.
I think just Ajayi's ceiling is higher.
I like Ajayi better.
Coleman or Doug Martin?
Coleman. Coleman. Doug Martin? Coleman.
Wow. All right.
I would have used Coleman as the start of the week,
but I have some stipulations by my idiot coworkers, Pete and Nick.
They like to watch me go through the joys and pains of the start of the week.
So he's in a primetime game.
Why don't you go with both of them?
He's still in the comp. He's still a start.
It's just the guy at the top. I mean, they're all the same anyway.
By the way, one last point on Russell Wilson.
Each of the last two quarterbacks to take on the
Falcons have had at least 40 rush yards
and a touchdown.
They were Cam Newton and Dak Prescott.
Russell Wilson can run.
Maybe that's how the Seahawks
attack them. Maybe.
Okay. Julio Jones is top
seven in standard, top nine in PPR.
Mohamed Sanu, we like him? I like how he's done in these last two games against Seattle,
where he's had 40 yards and a touchdown. And I almost wonder if the Seahawks overcompensate
defensively for Julio Jones, and it just opens things up underneath for Sanu.
I really thought what he said yesterday was very telling,
that as Hooper's targets have gone up, Sanu's production has gone down.
Is this an easy matchup for Hooper?
With Thomas less than 100% and Chancellor out,
I don't think it's an easy matchup really for either of them, Sanu or Hooper.
But, I mean, look, Hooper's been productive two of his last three,
and the targets have been consistent, six in each game.
You know, I'll tell you, a tight end has scored seven or more fantasy points
in standard scoring leagues in four of Seattle's last five games.
Tyler Higbee, Evan Ingram, Vernon Davis, Jermaine Gresham.
I think this is their weakness on defense.
Maybe they have more weaknesses now without Richard Sherman.
But, you know, Hooper is like 13th, 12th, 8th for Jamie Dave Heath in standard,
11th, 11th, and 8th in PPR.
Three straight games with six targets.
Two touchdowns in those three games.
All right, Sanu or Aguilar?
Sanu by one spot.
Aguilar, for me, it's not close.
Sanu or Crowder?
Crowder. I've got Crow it's not close. Sanu or Crowder? Crowder.
I've got Crowder one spot ahead of Sanu.
Oh, how about that?
Back to back to back.
Crowder, Sanu, Aguilar.
Des Bryant.
We are sitting the Seattle running backs, I assume?
Yes.
McKissick would be the most interesting one,
but it sounds like Eddie Lacy is going to play, which is annoying.
Really?
I didn't realize that.
He practiced yesterday, and Pete Carroll said he's got
a good shot to play. Interesting.
I'm the only one who seems to have any interest
in him. I don't have much interest in him.
I don't think it's a bad idea to pick him up.
We're definitely starting Doug Baldwin.
The Falcons are good against wide receivers,
but they almost always allow one good wide receiver to have a big game.
So start Baldwin.
That's it, right?
No Richardson?
No.
And Jimmy Graham is top five.
This is not the best matchup for him.
Falcons allow the third fewest fantasy points.
They've been very good.
So you're still going to start him.
Maybe you want to get away from him in Daly.
And don't start the Seahawks DST.
They're 14th, 12th, and 14th.
Oh, no, Heath has them fourth.
Excuse me.
But Dave and Jamie would tell you don't start the Seahawks DST.
Washington at New Orleans.
Well, guys, I don't have a clever way to say this.
So I'm just going to say Bonanza.
This is the week we find out about the Saints defense.
And this is the toughest matchup they've had since week two,
and I like it.
So there you go.
Bonanza.
Washington, New Orleans.
Stat of the game.
Now you've just ruined Samaje P-Rod.
It's over.
Well, speaking of him, do you think he will get 15 or more carries?
I think he could.
Well, four... You don't think so, Jamie? Okay.
No, because they're going to be chasing points. There's no way he's getting that many carries.
They're not going to be chasing. They're going to be right there with him.
There's going to be a lot of points. No, they're going to be chasing, which is in your favor.
That's fine.
Four running backs have had 15 or more carries
against New Orleans. All four of them scored
double-digit fantasy points in standard scoring leagues.
However, Amir Abdullah had 14
carries, and he only scored five fantasy points.
Had he gotten the 15th, he would have scored a touchdown
or had a 50-yard run, pretty obviously.
I understand people are going to be very hesitant to start Samaj P. Ryan,
but what about Kirk Cousins?
It's been a while since we've had a good game against the Saints by a quarterback.
Stafford had 20 fantasy points on like 52 attempts a few weeks ago.
But Cousins, he did very well against the Vikings.
Start or sit?
I think you start him.
He's in the conversation.
I like him better than Stafford this week as an example.
And I kind of smell what you're cooking, Adam, that it's going to be high scoring.
I think Cousins is going to have to put the ball in the air a lot that typically for him leads to good numbers, maybe not necessarily amazing numbers. I just think that this is what the Washington
offense is now. There are so many offenses like this around the league. They're not going to be
able to run the ball effectively. I don't see Chris Thompson getting 12 carries and pacing them
and helping them be balanced. I think Cousins is going to have to make a lot of plays, and I think he can.
Okay.
Would you guys start Cousins or Cutler, Fitzpatrick, Bortles?
Cousins.
Cousins, okay.
And let me just add this.
I think the plays are going to be made in the middle of the field
and on yards after catch type plays.
I think this is a week for Vernon Davis, assuming Jordan Reed is out,
Jamison Crowder, who I said I liked a lot, and Chris Thompson.
I think those are going to be the three guys that really make Drew Brees' day.
Why did I say Brees?
Because Brees is going to have to throw a lot finally.
I think both teams are going to have to throw a lot.
Now the Saints have allowed more than 21 receiving yards to a running back only four times.
But, I mean, Rex Burkhead caught a touchdown.
James White had 85 yards.
Christian McCaffrey had 101.
Theo Riddick had five for 45.
So I just think that the good ones usually do well.
And Thompson, does Thompson bounce back this week, Jamie?
Did we get a good week from Chris Thompson?
Yes.
In the two games that Rob Kelly has missed, he has, I think it's 12 or more fantasy points in a standard league
or 13 or more fantasy points in a standard league.
It was much easier matchups.
But he's going to have to catch passes out of the backfield to be successful, and I think he will.
Would you go Thompson or Adrian Peterson?
I would go with Adrian Peterson in standard league, Thompson in PPR.
I would take Thompson in both.
Would you start Thompson over Doug Martin in PPR? I would start Thompson over Doug Martin in PPR. I would take Thompson in both. Would you start Thompson over Doug Martin in PPR?
I would start Thompson over Doug Martin in PPR, yes.
All right.
So we like Thompson this week.
Crowder's the only wide receiver we're looking at.
Crowder or Thompson?
Who's a better flex?
Thompson.
Give me Thompson.
Crowder or Ted Ginn?
I think it should be Crowder.
Do you guys like Ted Ginn this week?
I think he's a number three receiver.
He's kind of touchdown or bust.
The problem with Ginn is the problem with Brees.
He just doesn't throw the ball very much.
So he's not supporting two receivers.
Michael Thomas hasn't scored a touchdown.
I think it's not five straight games.
So you're waiting for these guys to step up and do something,
and he's one of them.
All right, but without getting too in-depth here,
we're starting Michael Thomas,
and we're starting both Saints running backs, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Drew Brees is top five, I believe.
This just has a feel of a breakout game for him.
I don't know why.
But I think it's two of the last three quarterbacks
or three of the last four quarterbacks against the Redskins have had big days.
Four of the last five have scored 26 or more fantasy points.
Yeah.
I have a feeling he's just going to have one of those.
Because you have the narrative of is he old?
Is the contract going to be renewed?
And I just think that he's going to come out and say, you know, I'm still here.
Yeah.
By the way –
I think you might have to say it.
It's four of the last six quarterbacks have scored 26 or more.
The two that didn't were the San Francisco guys and Dak Prescott in that bad weather game.
So Breeze will have his best game.
He will score more than 26 fantasy points.
Matt Ryan will have his best game.
He will score more than 21 fantasy points. Matt Ryan will have his best game. He will score more than 21 fantasy points.
Hooray.
And Vernon Davis
or Jason Witten?
Davis.
Okay, Vernon Davis or Kyle Rudolph?
Davis.
Alright, start Vernon Davis. Kansas City is
at the Giants. That of the game.
I already gave it, but seven pass plays
of 40 or more yards against the Giants in their last two games.
Alex Smith or Drew Brees?
Alex Smith better.
I think he's got more upside.
Okay.
He's a must start.
He's a top five guy.
Yeah, I really don't believe in this Giants defense bouncing back
after what we saw last week against the 49ers.
His numbers on the road have been great.
Yeah.
Five of the last six quarterbacks to face the Giants have scored 26 or more fantasy points.
So that 26 mark, that's huge.
And that's five of six against the Giants, four of the last six against the Redskins.
So good matchups for Breeze and Smith.
Kareem Hunt is a must-start, right?
Let's not even get into it.
Kareem Hunt's a must-start.
Yeah.
The Giants might be without Damon Harrison. By far their best run
stuffer. Tyreek Hill is
top three in standard, top eight in PPR.
Are you nervous at all because he doesn't catch that
many balls? He's kind of fluky.
A little bit.
But we talked about
his success on the road.
The Giants' deficiencies against the
deep ball,
I think you've got to stick with him.
Travis Kelsey is a must-start.
That's the dumbest thing.
I shouldn't have even said that out loud.
Start Travis Kelsey.
Eli Manning is very interesting, Jamie.
You've got a great stat about the Chiefs against quarterbacks after the – or Andy Reid against quarterbacks after the bye.
But this is the worst defense that he's had.
So what do you think about Eli Manning?
Well, first off, it was your stat. So I just kind of...
You did a better job.
You just gave the games. I took what you did and just crunched the numbers. His defenses have
allowed nine and a half fantasy points on average to the last four quarterbacks he's faced coming
off of a bye week.
Two of those were Peyton Manning, one when he was still good in 2013, one when he was not good in 2015.
Derek Carr last year, and in 2014 it was Phillip Rivers.
None of the four quarterbacks were over 20 fantasy points.
The highest was 18, which I believe was Rivers.
Yeah.
And Peyton, the reason
it's 9.5 is because Peyton was minus 7 in a game.
5 for 20, I think.
Huh?
5 for 20.
And 4 interceptions.
Yeah, that was the end of Peyton Manning.
It was, I think he had to have, I think he had he had 35 Oh 5 for 20 for 35 yards
I think is what it was
Okay
That's awful
So
It's a little skewed
I think he could be
You know Eli
In that 16 to 18 point range
But I think he'll be
Under some duress
Because of the pass rush
And I also think that
The Chiefs
While their defense
Is not as good
They still can create
Some turnovers
The question will be I think he could have I think Eli will have the Chiefs, while their defense is not as good, they still can't create some turnovers.
The question will be is, I think Eli will have a Marcus Mariota type of game last night where his yards will be okay.
Probably will get two touchdowns because I do like Shepard and I do like Evan Ingram.
But there will be probably two to three turnovers in this game.
Shepard and Ingram are absolute must-starts.
Shepard's a top-six wide receiver.
Ingram's top-six tight end.
Arlen's Darkwa, I think, is the interesting guy in this game.
He's having a good year.
He's averaging 5.1 yards per carry.
Giants are going to be without their right tackle, Justin Pugh.
DJ Fluker, apparently, is going to play through an injury.
He's an important run blocker for them.
But I don't know.
He doesn't get that much work sometimes.
He's just been good. I don't know. So I't get that much work sometimes. He's just been good.
I don't know.
So I felt you guys were lower than I thought you'd be on Arlen's Darkwa
against the Chiefs defense.
Was it like 17th or something like that?
No, 21st, 23rd, and 14th for Heath.
So you guys have Darkwa outside your top 20 in standard.
He's not a pass catcher, so I get it in PPR.
What's the hesitation there? I'm worried
that this won't be
that close of a game where
the Giants can give him the type
of work that they have in games where they have
been close.
It just so happens that three of the last four have been
kind of competitive games for the Giants, and this one could be
a blowout.
I'm nervous about Darkwell scoring.
That's the biggest thing.
And I'm nervous.
Yeah.
He is.
Is he not the same
type of running back
like DeMarco Murray
and Alfred Morris
where if they don't
score a touchdown
you have no shot
at double digit
fantasy points
or not no shot
but it would be rare
to see him get
100 total yards.
I think it would be.
I don't think he'll get there
and I don't think
he'll score.
So I'm nervous to use Darkwell.
Okay.
Let's go to our last two games, guys, and Baltimore is at Green Bay.
Stat of the game number one, Green Bay has allowed nine or more fantasy points
in standard scoring leagues to at least one wide receiver every week since week one.
So not week one, but since then, every week,
nine or more fantasy points to a wide receiver.
That's why we like Macklin.
And they've allowed eight or more fantasy points in standard scoring leagues
to a second wide receiver in four of their last five games.
Green Bay is terrible against receivers.
We love Macklin this week.
Is Mike Wallace actually a sleeper?
Mike Wallace is a sleeper in daily.
I think if you're in a pinch at wide receiver and Wallace is on your waiver wire
and he's on the waiver wire in a lot of leagues, then sure, you could take a chance on him.
This is the type of matchup that you want to do it.
Green Bay is secondary.
They've allowed, I think it's over 230 yards per game just to receivers in their last two.
And I believe a couple of these guys are playing hurt.
Randall King, two starting corners for them.
They're playing hurt.
Their pass rush isn't getting home.
And if you remember Joe Flacco in his last game, he was pretty aggressive.
I think the Ravens want to be aggressive, and I think you'll see them throw a lot.
My only concern is two guys doing well for the Ravens.
Yeah.
It's tough.
But I'm also a little concerned about Devontae Adams, guys.
That of the game number two.
Only three receivers have scored double-digit fantasy points in standard all season long against Baltimore.
That was Juju Smith-Schuster, Crabtree, and Rashard Matthews.
So who do you like better, Macklin or Devontae Adams?
Macklin.
Are we getting away from Devontae Adams this week?
I'd like to.
I don't know if there's a lot to like about Devontae Adams.
He's had one really good catch.
Okay.
So he's outside the top 24 for everybody.
Would you start Devontae Adams or Devontae Parker?
Parker, easy.
I think Parker might not be as safe, but he certainly has more upside.
He's just as safe.
I mean, you take the body of work with Brett Hundley versus what Devontae Parker has done,
and they're exactly the same, if not Parker being better.
All right, we're not starting the tight ends in this game.
We're not starting the quarterbacks in this game.
So that just leaves us the running backs.
Why don't you rank the running backs?
We've got Collins.
We've got Jamal Williams.
We won't expect Ty Montgomery to play.
We've got Woodhead, Javoris Allen.
Rank the running backs for me.
Jamie Eisenberg.
Standard League, it would be Alex Collins, Danny Woodhead, Jamal Williams, Blech.
Okay.
PPR, it would be Danny Woodhead, Alex Collins, Jamal Williams, Blech.
Okay.
So we're done with Buck Allen.
If Danny Woodhead plays, yes.
I think the Ravens will be done with Buck Allen too.
Although, could it be that Javoris Allen ends up taking some work away from Alex Collins?
There's a quote from Marty Morningwag this week saying that Alex Collins is still a featured guy and that he's earned it.
I don't know if it's coach speak.
I don't know if his definition of the feature guy is the same as what we would
expect.
All I know is that they are gung ho for Danny Woodhead.
We talked about earlier this week that he had three targets on six snaps.
He called all three of them.
They want to use them.
They're going to get them involved.
See,
this,
this is where I think you see if Joe Flacco gets that second touchdown.
Non-receiver.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I don't think it goes to Watson.
I think it's a tough matchup for Watson.
So who's a better – Shemaji Piran or Jamal Williams?
Who's a better flyer this week?
Piran is my pick.
I would take Jamal Williams because Williams if Ty Montgomery's out.
Because he's going to get more work than P. Ryan will.
Every running back who's had 15 or more carries against the Ravens has scored 13 or more fantasy points in standard scoring leagues.
Those guys are better than Jamal Williams.
They're Leonard Fournette, Le'Veon Bell, Jordan Howard, Latavius Murray.
Maybe Latavius Murray isn't.
But Williams hasn't been good this year
He just hasn't
But he hasn't had that much work
It's a pretty small sample size
Alright, let me just finish up
Alex Collins or Joe Mixon
Mixon
Mixon, but it's close
Alex Collins or Orleans Darkwa
Darkwa
Alright, so we don't really love any running backs in this game
Maybe Woodhead and PPR.
Detroit at Chicago, guys.
Let's sum this up in a minute or two.
I was surprised to see Matthew Stafford's third for Heath,
eighth for Jamie, and tenth for Dave.
And actually pretty interesting, Cleveland, they are very good against quarterbacks.
Aaron Rodgers is the only one to score more than 19 fantasy points.
I said Cleveland.
I meant the Bears.
Against Chicago, Cleveland was last week's opponent.
So Ryan didn't score more than 19.
Roethlisberger didn't.
Cam Newton didn't.
I have Stafford lower than eight, by the way.
You move him down?
Or did I just mess that up?
No, I moved him down.
Okay.
Where do you have him now?
Ten.
Ten.
Stafford or Cousins?
Cousins. Stafford or Rivers? Stafford still. Stafford or Cousins? Cousins.
Cousins.
Stafford or Rivers?
Stafford still.
Stafford.
Okay.
Stafford over Bortles, over Cutler, over Fitzpatrick.
We sound like resigned.
Stafford.
I think it'll be okay.
I mean, he's my guy.
I'm not benching him.
Okay.
Yeah, he's got a throw.
There's a pretty – it's not the great – okay.
Let me start over.
I always believe in Vic Fangio, Bears defensive coordinator,
and when he's familiar with an opponent, he typically does well against them.
The one guy he tries to always take away from Stafford has been Golden Tate.
Tate has been not good in six games against Chicago.
They do a nice job of limiting him, forcing Stafford to go to the outside.
And last year, Stafford was a nightmare when he did that.
And I don't know if he's going to be able to come back this week from what he did last season
and put up two touchdowns and 250 yards.
He makes me a little nervous this week.
I think this could be – I don't think this will be a shootout, obviously,
and I don't think the Lions can go in there and put up even 24 points.
I think this is going to be a low-scoring game.
How do we feel about...
That's a good note on Golden Tate, but I know most people are going to start him, if not
all people.
How do we feel about Marvin Jones this week?
Equally bad.
Nervous.
Don't have him ranked in my top 24.
Would you start him over Des Bryant?
Yes.
Would you start Marvin Jones over Marquise Lee?
I think I have it ranked that way, but A, let's check the weather, and B, let's check on Lee's health.
Okay.
Well, his health is fine.
He's been missing practice all throughout the course of the season.
And then finally, Jordan Howard.
I know everybody's going to start, but what about
the running
backs for the Lions? No thanks?
No, I like
Amir Abdul this week. I mean, look, you've seen
they stuck with him last week after the fumbles.
Taylor Decker being back, I think, is going to be
big for this entire offense, which I think will help
Stafford. And
the Bears' run defense
has been a little bit leaky lately they give up one thing
i'm sorry adam they give up touchdowns they've given up eight rushing touchdowns this year but
only 3.9 yards per carry to running backs the one thing that you have to like about dual is that
they're starting to give him more work in the red zone he said 11 red zone carries in his last five
six of those have come uh inside the 10 he had one last week. He scored on it.
He's getting more work than Riddick down there.
I think he's okay as a number two running back.
All right, just want to give a fan duel lineup real quick.
You guys can feel free to give a DraftKings or a fan duel lineup.
I don't love it.
All right, cool.
I'm not in love with my lineup, but we'll see.
Carson Wentz, Jarek McKinnon, Doug Martin, Sterling
Shepard, Marquise Lee, and Golden
Tate. Now I might have to change that, Dave.
Travis Kelsey, Justin
Tucker, and the Jaguars. I really don't
recommend it. I have the best tight end,
especially for the price. Kelsey,
I have the best DST. I have the best
quarterback, perhaps, in Carson Wentz. Other than
that, I really don't like the team.
Don't use it. Jamie, what's your DraftKings lineup?
My DraftKings
lineup is...
I have it right here. Okay. Alex Smith
at quarterback. Kareem Hunt
and Chris Thompson at running back. Remember, it's PPR
scoring and DraftKings. I am
sticking with Golden Tate. I'm not worried about this defense.
He's easier to use in PPR.
Yeah, but I'm
just looking at the numbers here.
Slot receivers have still done well against Chicago,
so I think Golden Tate will be fine.
Devontae Parker is the other one.
Keenan Allen, number one receivers against Buffalo,
have been very good this year.
Vernon Davis has a tight end.
Bruce Ellington has a flex.
And the Bengals defense.
Okay, that's it.
Thank you.
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Sorry for the long show, everybody.
We'll talk to you on the long show, everybody.
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See you.
Bye. It's alright.
I've got Le'Veon.
It's alright.
Not George Le'Veon.
It's alright.
I've got Le'Veon Bell.