Fantasy Football Today - 12/09: Injury Updates, Struggling QBs, Trust Tannehill? (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Hey, welcome to the Monday show, everybody. I hope Sunday Night Football went well for you. When we are done talking injuries with Dr. David Chow, we will have Will Brinson and Chris Towers on. We will react to a very nice performance from the Rams. We'll also talk about some quarterbacks that are kind of unreliable right now. Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson. What do you do with these guys?

Are they better or worse than Ryan Tannehill? Yes, we're asking that question. Ryan Tannehill going forward. But we welcome you to the Fantasy Football Today Road Tour presented by Little Caesars. Pizza for dinner tonight? How about ordering your favorite online from Little Caesars and using Pizza Portal Pickup? It's the latest, greatest, and hottest way

to pick up a pizza without even going to the register. Dr. David Chow, wow. Must have been a busy weekend for you. A lot of injuries, man. David Chow, wow. Must have been a busy weekend for you. A lot of injuries, man. That was a rough one. Yeah, there were a number of them. There were so many of them that, heck, even beat reporters weren't keeping it straight.

At one point, Calvin Ridley was on the cart. Beat reporters were saying it was attack McKinney on the cart because they were both hurt at the same time. You know, that was one that really snuck up on me. I didn't even see the Calvin Ridley injury, and he's out for the season, huh? Well, yeah. I even went back and looked at Game Pass and didn't really see what particularly happened. I don't know if it was off-camera from video. I don't know if it was off camera from video. I don't know what it was. Don't know if it's an abdominal injury as in muscle injury or some internal organ injury. I don't know. But apparently he 100% just retool for next season. That starts to happen.

You'll see a higher percentage of people go on injured reserve. Normally, you need a minimum six-week absence to go on injured reserve, but at this point of the season, there's only three weeks left, so things are more common. Some of the entries I want to touch on with you today, Dr. Chow, by the way, you should go to profFootballDoc. This is a great week to do it. ProFootballDoc.com and at ProFootballDoc on Twitter. Please follow Dr. Chow and get some great information. But I want to ask you about Jameis Winston and Patrick Mahomes and their hand injuries.

See what you think about Derek Henry, who got a little bit of a leg injury in the second half. Maybe Josh Jacobs, DJ Chark week to week, Mike Evans, and definitely Odell Beckham. But let me ask you about these two quarterbacks. Jameis Winston has a fracture in his hand, and Patrick Mahomes also dealing with a hand injury. Do you think they're going to play this week?

They seem certainly optimistic, particularly on Mahomes. But what can we expect from Winston and Mahomes? Yeah, actually, we could even throw Sam Darnold to the mix. He got his right hand stepped on and finished the game. Darnold will be fine. Patrick Mahomes will be fine. X-rays are negative. And the good news is that was the owner or pinky hand side.

And that's less important for and spinning and throwing a football. Jameis Winston, there is some concern. He's getting a second opinion, some sort of chip fracture that involves his hand, but it's been said to be his thumb, and that's very important to be able to grip and throw. I'm not suggesting he has a Drew Brees-type ulnar collateral ligament injury where he's going to need surgery, at least not yet. I have not seen that on video or any reports of that. But anytime it is the thumb, it's something to be a little more concerned about. So the only one on watch right now is perhaps Jameis Winston. Is Derrick Henry on any watch?

I know they took him out of the game for precautionary reasons, and they have a huge game coming up against Houston. Should we be concerned about Derrick Henry? Well, you know, Derrick Henry has been toying with that hamstring issue for a while, and he was in and out a little bit. And he says he's going to go. At least he finished the game. He played the second half.

So I think they'll be careful with him. The Titans are obviously on a roll. All of a sudden, the Titans have gone from being borderline to potentially challenging for the division crowd in hosting. Yeah, I know. They've got the Texans twice in the next three weeks. That division is extremely fun right now. And you know what?

Why don't I stay in that division and talk about T.Y. Hilton? And he's been out. They have not been seeming very optimistic. We don't know if he's going to play at all this season. What's T.Y. Hilton dealing with? Calf injury. Earlier this season, he had a quad muscle injury, missed some time.

Those calf injuries, they linger. Calf's very important for a wide receiver to get off the ball, cut, jump. He did his best. He tried to come back early. I thought it was too early, but he tried to come back for that Thursday game against the Texans because at the time that was for the division.

He came back and I think was quite limited, three catches for 18 yards when he normally does very well, and then has been out again since. At this point, especially with potentially fading Holt's hopes, they may be retooling for next year with T.Y. Hilton. So do you think that it seems less than 50% chance maybe to play this week for T.Y. Hilton? I ask because Zach Paschal and even Marcus Johnson have really stepped up, and I like Paschal a lot as a recommended pickup on the waiver wire.

But I need T.Y. Hilton to be out to really recommend him. I think we all do. So do you think T.Y. Hilton, if we were going to sit here on a Monday afternoon, expect him to miss this week's game? Sitting here on Monday, that would be the thought. But pay attention, obviously, to Paris Campbell back from his hand fracture. DJ Chark. So apparently week to week.

Your thoughts on it. Is it an ankle for DJ Chark? It's a high ankle sprain for DJ Chark. And as far as week to week, you know, there's three weeks left of the season. So week to week to week means season. You know, we'll see. It seems like, you know, Jacksonville isn't going anywhere. So he's obviously been a breakout star. This is a case where if the team was going somewhere, you know, maybe you play an 85% chart, but with the team not going anywhere, maybe we just

tool. So we'll have to see, but I'm not very optimistic that he'll return in the next, certainly not this week at least. What have you been making of this whole Odell Beckham situation and even Baker Mayfield coming out and saying that the Browns team maybe didn't handle his injury properly and he could have had preseason surgery and missed a couple of games. What's your take on Odell Beckham right now? There was a report that he had a sports hernia. What are you thinking? Well, I do think he has a couple of games. What's your take on Odell Beckham right now? There was a report that he had a sports hernia.

What are you thinking? Well, I do think he has a sports hernia. It was listed as a hip and groin and he's been lingering and he's been less than himself. Many players can play through sports hernia, perhaps not at full tilt, full go. Damian Clowney is doing it.

Deshaun Jackson tried to play through and rest and rehab and couldn't do it and is out on injury reserve with surgery. So, I do believe the report that it is a sports hernia. But as far as Baker's comments, look, Baker's interesting, right? He shoots from the hip a little bit. He did come back and recant a little bit and apologize and said he didn't know the details. I actually, you know, I'm a medical professional and I've never had the situation

where a player came out and spoke up against me. I would certainly hope they would come talk to me about it as opposed to going on blast, but especially when you don't know the entire story and the medical staff can't ever say anything because of HIPAA. But I actually didn't take as big of it. I thought it was a little silly for him to do that. But I took it as, number one, it was overall frustration at the situation rather than pointing a finger at a certain part of the team. And I do give him credit for this. He did use the words, our medical,

our training room, right? He didn't say those guys in the training room didn't do the right thing. He did use team words and say, you know, maybe there were some other things that they didn't work out the way that we wanted him to type of language. So it wasn't horrible, but it certainly was out of his lane. And I think he realized that. And that's the recant. But when it first came out, I tweeted and said, well, who is he really criticizing here? Is he criticizing the doctor, the trainer? Or perhaps is he even criticizing the player himself? Because the only person that can decide to not have or not have surgery is the patient or player himself. And in this era

of lots of second opinions and agents getting involved and people taking charge of their own medical health, the team doctors couldn't have stopped him from having surgery if he wanted to have it. So it's interesting. But you bring up an interesting point as we talk about here. There have been a half dozen or more examples, even the last month or so, of issues between players and their team and perhaps medical staff. I mean, Trent Williams, you know, that's a big one. Kelechi Osemele with the Jets. Luke Falk with the grievance against the Jets.

The Eagles and their fan base are always up in arms about the Eagles medical staff for some reason. The Colts, you know, you could go back to Andrew Luck and whatever, however that was handled. But also, you know, Frank Reich said something about Eric Ebron and perhaps what did or didn't need to go on with his ankle. So there's lots of areas of controversy, and I think it's becoming more common to air those out. Did you have to deal with player agents a lot? I mean, was that something that was starting to happen more toward the end of your tenure with the Chargers?

Oh, no question. I stayed away from agents. Yeah. I tried to. In kicking and screaming, I got involved with some. I've got a much better relationship with them now and perhaps a much better understanding about what their roles are.

I think it's always better to have, you know, perhaps a much better understanding about what their roles are. And I think it's always better to, you know, if the team asked me to deal with an agent, I would. But if they didn't, I'd just let it go. I probably would take a more proactive approach. I don't think agents are evil. They're well-meaning, sometimes misguided because they don't understand the situation. But who can blame them if they're not let in on what the situation is? So I always like the teamwork approach of involving people. But, you know, here's the one thing that I've always said time and again. If you think a doctor did the wrong thing or athletic trainer did the wrong thing or the team made a silly move

from the outside, if you think that's the case, you just don't know the real story or the team made a silly move from the outside if you think that's the case. You just don't know the real story from the inside. No one goes into a decision knowingly making the wrong one. At the time, the factors that were presented to a person inside the building, this is what they thought was the right decision. Now, coming back to second guess, of course, is a different story. But unless you know all the factors that go into a decision, it's hard to say that you yourself wouldn't have made the same right decision. I can talk about this one instance. There was a time that I got criticized locally in San Diego for not having done surgery on Sean Merriman. And I could talk about it because Merriman came on my

podcast and we're still very friendly to this day. And he talked about this, but what it was is I said it was a bad injury and he should have surgery. He went to get a second opinion from another doctor and they said, maybe you can go without surgery. And he was 24 years old at the time and wanted it to be, you know, to just tough it out. And then when he ended up needing surgery, I'm the one that got criticized for why didn't you do it sooner? But I couldn't say anything at the time. So from the inside, the story is always different than what it looks like from the outside.

That's all I can say. Yeah, very, very interesting. Well, I want to let you get out of here, but let me just fire out a few different players and tell me who do you think has a chance to play this week? Josh Jacobs sat with the shoulder injury. I'm going to leave the concussion guys out of this too. So Josh Jacobs, James Connor, Juju Smith-Schuster, Darius Geis, and Mark Andrews. Is that too many names for you? I'll do them in order from likely to unlikely.

Okay. I'll do them in order from likely to unlikely Andrews Connor Jacobs and I had Juju and Geis on there okay so you don't think Geis is going to play

not this week alright Dr. Chaff I don't think his season is necessarily done but I don't think he's playing this week. Okay. All right, Dr. Chow. I don't think his season is necessarily done, but I don't think he's playing this week. Well, I'm sure you've got a lot more radio hits to do and a lot more articles to write and podcasts to record. Thank you for coming on, Dr. Chow. Always a pleasure.

Thank you. Okay, that's Dr. David Chow. Make sure you follow him on Twitter, at ProFootballDoc. Go to the website, ProFootballDoc.com. And when we come back from this quick break, it's Will and Chris, and we've got a lot of hot topics to get to. Miller Lite.

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unless you're a weirdo and you play in a week 17. Welcome back to the show, everybody. Adam Azer now joined by Will Brinson and Chris Towers. Chris, how's week 14 treating you uh you know i i missed the playoffs in most of my league so it was actually a lovely week 14 for me it was really nice to not have to sweat it out yeah you know nice and casual some football it was real great what was problem? Because my problem was quarterback. I was bad at quarterback in basically nine out of ten leagues. I probably went zero RB in too many different leagues, and that just didn't work this year.

Wide receiver, we've talked about it multiple times on the Monday episode of the podcast, and you guys have talked about it otherwise, but it just has not been a great position. I had a lot of Juju Smith-Schuster. I had a lot of Odell Beckham. And I actually made the playoffs in one league where I had Odell Beckham and Juju Smith-Schuster.

So that's not even a really good argument. But you could, maybe you could have been in first place if those guys had been good. And now we bring in the next member of our team. Oh, you weren't. The next member of our team. What's up, Will? I thought it was going to go right to the chorus, but it didn't. How much time do you spend on a given morning picking out theme music for me?

It'd be better if I spent more time. No, more like 12 seconds. I don't know why this song just popped in my head. But question for you, Will. Will, welcome to the show. Yeah, that's an apt description for my feelings as I approach Monday Night Football, knowing that I need... I didn't make the playoffs in many of my leagues

either because I'm a zero RB guy too. I think my biggest problem this year was I was all in on Dalvin Cook and I wanted all the Dalvin Cook I could get, but I think 90% of the leagues I was in that were snake drafts, I was in the 5

to 9 range in terms of my pick. The 5 to nine range just killed you this year because you probably took DeAndre Hopkins or Juju Smith Schuster or Devante Adams. And then on the wrap, you were getting, I mean, like you just, you know, you just ended up in a spot where you didn't get Michael Thomas. You didn't get Mike Evans. You didn't get Dalvin Cook. You didn't get Nick Chubb. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Oh yeah. A lot of credibility right now on this podcast, I'd have to say. Well, I do. So I need 23 points from Saquon Barkley to advance in the playoffs in two leagues.

I'm going to say it's not going to happen. Really? Yeah, I'm going to say it's not going to happen. The guy can't run. He's facing one of the best run defenses in football. Also, I would like the two things that I would like to... I mentioned the Dalvin cook stuff yeah i'm taking a stance next year i'm all about value and all that and i get it but next year if i'm all in

on a guy like that and i have the seventh pick i'm not taking the best wide receiver i'm just going to take dalvin cook at seven right and you know yeah go ahead chris out unless you're all in on judy smith schuster or davante adams i also did that yeah for sure that's the that's the thing with that like it's easy to look at and say well i should have just drafted dalvin cook everywhere but like i know jamie had davante adams as his number one overall overall wide receiver if he had done that with him like that wouldn't have worked out so it you know there's you got to get your guys but value still matters well no i know of course it does and look i had one league where uh chip patterson's in there with

me it's a local league and he snaked dalvin cook one pick before he came back to me in the second round you know and granted i went juju in the first round but i go juju tyree kill and that's a that team's dead out of the you know out of the gates by week two whereas if i get dalvin maybe it survives my point is just that I'm not going to give up on the value, but I'm going to take the guy I want to take. And then I think one of the other things too is sometimes we get a little infatuated with upside. Like, oh,

look, Juju's going to have 350 targets. Well, Michael Thomas is just productive. We all slept on Michael Thomas. Is there anybody who didn't sleep on Michael Thomas out there? No, I actually think that Michael Thomas is a big surprise because I, if you look at what he had been the last two or three seasons, I mean,

he was consistently around wide receiver, like six to eight and he's a low yards per catch guy. And he's typically a low touchdown guy. And I didn't really think he could replicate his catch rate. So he can, obviously that's where I was wrong. And the touchdowns are fine. It's also been a really bad year for wide receivers, but even so,

he's having an historic season. He leads the league in catches, yards, and he's catching 82. He's okay. I don't feel like I made a mistake with Michael Thomas. I think he's had a better year than I ever could have imagined, and I'm fine with that. You know, I feel like I've made some mistakes, but Michael Thomas is not one of them.

You cannot just always look back and see what has happened now and say we were wrong. Sometimes things happen. There was no discussion that Michael Thomas – I never heard one person suggest that Michael Thomas could be the wide receiver one. And I think that's a mistake. No, I agree with that.

I'll let Chris get in after that. I think we were right to think that based on his low touchdowns, his what seemed to be a very high catch rate that he wouldn't be able to repeat, which we were wrong about. And just based on the fact that Hopkins and Julio and Devontae Adams, I think they had better cases. So Thomas felt like the safest or maybe one of the safest wide receivers. He did not really feel like a super high upside guy because he's like 12 yards per catch, which is not really what you're used to seeing

for the number one wide receiver in fantasy. Go ahead, Chris. Yeah, I mean, I don't know know there are definitely things that we missed um but i michael thomas like everybody agreed that michael thomas was awesome now he's already you know he he's pretty close to outscoring last season he still has three games left. So, you know, nobody saw necessarily this type of season coming from him. But I think once you're in that like top six range at running back or wide receiver, if you finish number one overall, I'm not really surprised. You know, it's not like he was going super late. I mean, he was going, you know, top 15 pick. Yeah. But like people were taking Juju Smith-Schuster and Devontae Adams and Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins ahead of him. And all I'm saying is that I think that –

I'm not suggesting that maybe I was wrong about him. Everybody thought he would have a nice floor, which is what you're saying. But he had 140-plus targets average over the last two years. That's not that much. That's not that much for the number one wide receiver. I would expect the number one wide receiver to have more like 160 to 170 I think he's gonna have 160 but that's what I didn't see he is going to set a record he is going to have more targets than any wide receiver has ever had with Drew Brees right and Drew Brees like Thomas has been around 150 right each of the last two

years I think I'm doing this off top my 147. That is the most that Drew Brees has ever, in the Saints era, that Drew Brees has ever had with a wide receiver. So I didn't think he'd go over. I don't disagree with that, but here's my argument. And look, I got talked into by Heath Cummings to drafting Juju Smith-Schuster with a

first-round pick because Heath's argument was compelling that with the absence of Antonio Brown, with Ben Roethlisberger having a ton of targets and the target share going up that Juju could be the number one wide receiver. All I'm saying is that no one attempted to make the argument for Michael Thomas. And I think that that's an oversight, not, not by like CBS's fantasy crew by everybody. No one attempted. I had never heard anybody attempt to make this in the NFL. And it's clear that he's one of the best wide receivers in football. That was clear last year. I just, I just, I think that's something I think

when you do this process, when you try to improve on how you project and how you predict who's going to do well, that's something you need to look back and say, well, how did we miss on this? Why did we miss on this? And you know, why, like, why didn't I start every league with Dalvin Cook, Michael Thomas? Cause that was possible. Okay. So, yeah, good impromptu discussion there about what went wrong. But, look, it's not like all of our teams are out. We still have a lot to play for here. We still have a lot to waiver wire here. And I want to know, that's our first topic.

We got five topics today. Who is your favorite waiver wire player other than DeAndre Washington? What's going on with three struggling quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, and Russell Wilson, and how much do you trust them? Got some questions from the audience about Alvin Kamara. A question about, what was the other one? Ryan Tannehill, is he a bona fide must-start quarterback? And I want to talk about the Rams offense. Again, they always play on prime time, so we talk about them a lot, but the Rams offense looked about as good yesterday as we've seen them all year

as they put up 28 points on Seattle. Chris, who's your favorite waiver wire player this week if it's not DeAndre Washington? DeAndre Washington isn't my top waiver wire target. I write the early waiver column on Sunday nights for CBS Fantasy. And the lead for that story was Raheem Mostert, who proved that last week both the usage and the skill set that he showed were not a fluke. Now, I don't think there was much question that the skill set is there. He's been productive whenever he's had the opportunity,

and obviously Kyle Shanahan's offense is outstanding for running backs. They were second in the NFL in rushing yards coming into last night. And he's still only 53% rostered in CBS Fantasy Leagues, or 56%. So he's still out there in quite a few leagues. And the fact that Tevin Coleman was basically a non-factor, he's played 21 snaps over the last two weeks. Matt Breida wasn't someone who came back and immediately took on a huge work. You know, if Raheem Mostert is going to get 60 to 65 percent of the running back touches

for the 49ers, I think he's going to be a must start guy moving forward. Will, who's your favorite waiver wire target if it's not? Yeah, I mean, look, I would go Mostert over DeAndre Washington. I would caution that. I mean, and they got a good matchup against Atlanta. They should be able to run the ball well. Falcons just lost Calvin Ridley for the season. Who's the guy who caught the 90-yard touchdown pass for the Falcons? Something with a Z.

The guy with a really long name. Yeah, yeah. His first catch of his career, right? Yeah. His first catch of his career, but did see like 30-something percent of the snaps yesterday. Russell Gage actually only played about 50%. He's been the main guy besides Ridley and Julio Jones. I think Russell Gage is a nice pickup.

Olamide Zaccheaus. Yes, Olamide Zaccheaus. Thank you. There is no way that that is how you pronounce that. That's just his last name. Like the Olamide, I think you got. Olamide Z. But that can't be your number one waiver wire priority.

No, no, no. I was just making a joke. I was going to say about Mostert, the one thing I would be a little hesitant on, and look, I dropped him in a deeper league and it's murdering me. I share the team with somebody else. He won't stop texting me about Mostert all day yesterday. He's like, Mostert's going nuts.

Mostert's going nuts. I was like, shut up. I picked up A.J. Brown. Leave me alone. A.J. Brown, if he is for some reason out there, he shouldn't be, right? Would he qualify? I don't know what his ownership is. I think he's probably available, yeah.

Okay, A.J. Brown's the guy. He is the guy. Yeah, but here's the problem, right? Like, let me give you his yard. He's 53% on. He's got Houston coming up. Here is yards in his last seven games. 64-11, 81-17, 135-45, 153.

You know the pattern. He's going to have a bad game and it's it's more the targets uh he hasn't had more than seven targets in a game since week seven uh only one of his last four games but i i do agree that he is the guy in like the sense that when i watch him play it's like he is a man oh wow how did this guy fall at all you know you know my you know my theory right chris what's that my theory is that no one everyone thought aj brown was a slot receiver because he was standing next to dk metcalf but now that now that they see it they're like oh my god this guy is enormous i just think here uh i thought this is really interesting and

i'm writing about ryan tannehill and the tit Titans right now for my CBS sports.com column. But the, uh, the Titans as noted by Pat Thorman of establish a run are, have increased their tempo. They have moved from a 27th and seconds per snap pace to 12th and they have tripled their no huddle rate up from 7% to 23%. So we're running a bunch more plays. They're moving a lot faster. Tannehill clearly trusts Brown as his deep threat. He's not going to be a possession guy. I mean, he does have bust potential for you,

but his boom is big, big boom. And he's a physical receiver. You can throw to him in the red zone if you need to. They're probably not going to because they use Derrick Henry so much down in that space. Henry's a little banged up. I think they'll lean on Tannehill. This game against Houston, they have two games against Houston left.

One is obviously week 17, so that may not matter for fantasy purposes. But these matchups against Houston and then in New Orleans in week 16, I mean, these are not necessarily like great matchups, but they are high-volume matchups. The Titans are going to have to score points to play with Houston and to play with New Orleans, in my opinion. So I think Brown is a guy with his ceiling that you want to be able to plug into your lineup and you, you have to know the risk that's going to come with it. Maybe you're replacing Calvin Ridley. That's actually a perfect replacement because that's what Calvin Ridley does too. I mean, he's either boom or

bust. He feels like he hadn't been, you know, he hadn't been a consistent guy, you know, his entire career because Matt Ryan likes to spread it around and all that. So I think Brown is a very nice replacement there. I would make him I would much rather have him even than most. I think depending on your running back wide receiver situation. Oh, well, I there are two wide receivers I like a little bit better. They're both more owned than A.J. Brown. A.J. Brown's 53 percent on these guys are 62 percent on Zach Paschal. He has had 19 targets in his last two games,

and I anticipate they're going to have to throw a little bit at the Saints. And D.D. Westbrook, because D.J. Chark is now week to week. D.D. Westbrook is 62% on, and he will be at Oakland this week. And DeAndre Washington, for the record, 4% on. I just figured he was our favorite. He had 14 carries and 6 catches. So I don't know that Josh Jacobs is not going to play next week. That's why Washington's risky.

But he's 4% owned, and he had a big game with 96 total yards and a touchdown against Tennessee, and he faces the Jaguars. And obviously we know the Jaguars' run defense is just putrid. Their team is just putrid. So I'm looking at that Jacksonville Oakland game for some good waiver wire options there, but we've given some good names. I actually think all the injuries, I mean, so many injuries really going to open up the waiver wire. They're going to be a lot of who is the other wide receiver you named Pascal and who else? Westbrook, because I'm assuming DJ Chark is out this week. Yeah. I mean, I would just say that one thing,

just to counter that with the A.J. Brown stuff, AJ Brown stuff AJ Brown is going to be a viable starter in your fantasy league regardless of injury I don't know man he's had he said he gets five targets five six targets most weeks and he's so boomer bust that it's like yeah but like I don't agree you can't you can't start DeAndre Washington if Josh Jacobs plays he's unstartable I agree and and I'm not starting Paschal if T.Y. Hilton plays, but I don't expect. I don't expect T.Y. Hilton. You probably don't want to start D.D. Westbrook if D.J. Chark plays. But I don't expect them.

I don't expect them to play. I know, but I'm saying that you would be burnt if you used your top waiver claim on Zach Paschal if T.Y. Hilton plays. A.J. Brown will not burn you unless he scores zero points. I'd be more worried about that if there were 12 teams fighting for waivers, but there's only four.

So if I use my top waiver claim on Paschal or Westbrook and Hilton or Chark end up playing, I assume there will be plenty of good options available. But I mean, you make a good point. I just, I don't, I guess bottom line is I don't trust A.J. Brown. He's great in DFS, I think, in tournaments, but I don't trust A.J.

Brown as much as you do, Will, because as Chris mentioned. I like him more like looking ahead to next year okay uh let me talk about seeking real quick yeah one more thing can i say one more thing yes and then we'll talk about sea kick okay uh i mean against the chargers dd westbrook had 4.2 yards per catch like what do you what do you i mean like that's great that he had seven targets well like what if this what if this offense stinks what if the Jaguars aren't good? The Chargers are one of the best against wide receivers. The Raiders are one of the worst.

Take away DJ Chark and the fact that the Jaguars get blown out every game and they throw 40 passes pretty much every game. I think it sets up for Westbrook to do well. But I will. We'll have to fight about it. Now, SeatGeek, Chrisris next concert you're going to what's it gonna be it's probably gonna be like tomorrow uh no i went to three last week so i'm a little concert out oh who'd you see oh i saw the hold steady lucy she and him it was a great week wow

she and him huh do adam can you name one of the members of She and Him? Oh, there's that girl and that guy. Yeah, I know them. Zooey Deschanel, man. Really? Yeah. Oh, I'd be into that band. All right. Well, maybe I'll go find them on SeatGeek and buy some tickets and save $10 with the

promo code FFT. Listen, if it's concerts, if it's comedy, if it's theater, whatever it is, I tell you this all the time, but I'm going to a basketball game next week. It's going to be wonderful. It's at 9.30 at night, and I'm going to get home at 1.30 in the morning. So I'm going to be really bad on the show next Wednesday. Just keep that in mind. But I'm going to be using SeatGeek to get there because every time I go to a game, I'm using SeatGeek.

I've used it over 20 times at this point. It always gives you great prices because SeatGeek is just a better process. That's why it has over 50,000 five-star reviews in the app store. It pulls in tickets from all over the web and it ranks them, gives them a score based on value. So you see the best value. You see the tickets that you should be buying. And if you don't care so much about value, but you just want the cheapest seats or the most expensive seats, you high roller, you can sort by price as well. And SeatGeek just makes it so, so easy. Make sure you download the app and use the promo code FFT. FFT is the promo code. Save 10 bucks off your first SeatGeek purchase. Again, download the SeatGeek app and use the promo code FFT. All right. Our next two questions, I'll sort of lump

into one because my question is what to do with these struggling quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes, he has more than 21 fantasy points in only two of his last seven games. Aaron Rodgers, who I thought would be great against the Redskins, and he had, reading that article on ESPN.com, he had more time to throw against the Redskins than he's had all year, I believe. I hope I'm getting that right.

But regardless, he had a ton of time, no pressure, and he really wasn't good. 12 fantasy points. And Russell Wilson. I mean, not talking about this enough. 20 or fewer fantasy points in six of his last seven games. He's been pretty bad for six of his last seven games. The other game, of course, he scored 49 points against the Bucs.

So you know there's that potential. But there's those three. And then there's Ryan Tannehill, one of our Twitter followers, Unlucky Duck, asked, is Ryan Tannehill a bona fide must start start so i want to go to this twitter poll i did and i gave the matchups and i said who do you have the most faith in going forward mahomes denver and at chicago rogers chicago and at minnesota wilson at carolina and arizonaannehill, Houston, and New Orleans. Who do you have the most faith in going forward? Chris, what would your answer be?

It's got to be Mahomes. I know he hurt his hand, and there's some concern about that, and that was affecting his accuracy yesterday. He left some points on the board, on on targets deep to tyreek hill but i just the thing that makes me struggle with saying ryan tannahill because i think that's the the answer that that people want to say uh you know four straight games five straight games multiple touchdowns actually no seven straight games with multiple touchdowns one of them is a rushing touchdown he's been amazing.

He still only threw the ball 27 times yesterday, and that was the most he's thrown it since November 3rd. So that I just, it's really hard for me to see how he can keep being a viable starting fantasy option if he doesn't throw the ball more. Now, maybe they will have to throw the ball more, but he just can't sustain this kind of efficiency. It's going to come back to earth eventually. And even if it comes back to earth and he's an eight yards per attempt guy and a 6% touchdown rate guy, that would be awesome. That would make him one of the most productive quarterbacks in the league on a per throw basis. But if he's only throwing the ball 27, 22, 28 times, I just can't buy into him continuing to play at this high of a level.

Yeah, right now, based on his seven starts, Tannehill, his 16-game pace would be 4,226 yards, which is okay. But 34 touchdowns to nine interceptions. And that's, you know, you don't expect that from Ryan Tannehill. But I do like what Will said about the pace of the offense. That was interesting. By the way, Ryan Tannehill did not win the poll. I will reveal the results.

And, Will, I want to talk about the matchups again because, really, you have to talk about that at this point of the season. It's Mahomes, Denver at home, and then at Chicago. Denver's been struggling against quarterbacks four straight weeks. Aaron Rodgers, Bears and Vikings. Wilson has Carolina on the road and then Arizona at home. Ryan Tannehill has Houston and New Orleans. What would your vote be?

Who do you have the most faith in going forward? So I'm picking between Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, and Tannehill? Yeah. Because Unlucky Duck says he has Drew Brees and Kyler on his bench. Okay, this is a separate question. Okay, okay. Just a second. Because Brees would be the clear-cut number one of all those guys for me, I think, in this case. Okay, this is a separate question. I didn't think Patrick Mahomes looked good against the Patriots.

I know that he probably ended up with okay stats, right? I mean, relative to what we hoped for against the New England Patriots defense. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, he did. I mean, yes. 15 fantasy points against the Patriots past defense. Not bad. Not at all.

His next three games are tough. I mean, Denver at Chicago and the Chargers. I mean, look, if you want to take the completely, you know, objective Heath Cummings approach to this, the answer is Ryan Tannehill. What's your answer? The over-under for the Packers is 41. Why do you love Heath so much? No, you, I'm not like Heath,

and maybe Chris would do this, but I think Chris has a little... I love Jack Davis. Yeah, but like, you're not going to start Jacoby Brissett over Patrick Mahomes because you have Jacoby Brissett projected for more points. No. Heath would. Yeah.

Or at least he'd claim he would. He would do what he says. All I'm saying is, if you look at the over-under for the Bears-Packers game, it's 41, and it's juice to the under. They're expecting less than 30 points in that game. The Bears are a tough defense, even with their linebackers banged up. I think the Packers will try and attack via the running game like they did with the Redskins.

They want to try and run the ball. Aaron Rodgers has two good games this season, really, in terms of fantasy points, and that's kind of it. I don't know what you can exactly expect from him. I'll push back on that a little bit. He had five good games this year at Rogers. Okay, and he had two elite fantasy games. You're trying to win your league.

I think three, though. Right? He had the Giants, the Raiders, and the Chiefs, I want to say. Oh, yeah. That's right. Sorry, I missed the Chiefs. We were doing the math on his stats from the season earlier on the Pixies podcast. You still have not given your answer, Will. I'm not done. I'm not given your answer will let's go no you give your answer russell wilson okay he's played

in charlotte against the panthers in his career he has over 20 fantasy points in one of those games whoa the panthers are the worst team against the run in football not counting the bingles the seahawks will run the ball 50 times against the panthers and get out of there with a low scoring win i wouldn't want to trust russell patrick mahomes or aaron rogers i think the not counting the Bengals, the Seahawks will run the ball 50 times against the Panthers and get out of there with a low-scoring win. I wouldn't want to trust Russell, Patrick Mahomes, or Aaron Rodgers. I think the answer is Ryan Tannehill. Wow, okay. Well, the Twitter results are pretty surprising.

Now, part of it, I think, is that Wilson does have a Week 16 game against Arizona, and they make everyone look good, so I get that. But he has 54% of the vote. Actually, Tannehill's second with 22%. Mahomes has 20%. And Rodgers has 4%. I agree with that sentiment because Rodgers has not had a good game

against a good pass defense yet. And the Bears. Rodgers hasn't been good. We're two years in on Rodgers. He was 13th in fantasy points per game at quarterback last season and six points per touchdown leagues. He's 11th this season. He was fifthth in fantasy points per game at quarterback last season and 6th point per touchdown leagues. He's 11th this season. He was 5th in 2017.

I don't even think, like, he was 5th in 2017, but he was at, like, 22, 23 fantasy points per game. So not even someone that I necessarily think you could say was an absolute must-start. Now, I think he might have left one of those games early with an injury, so that could be part of it. Oh, yes, he did, the Minnesota game, yeah. It's been a couple of years now where Aaron Rogers and really,

if you look at his, I think it's three out of the last five where he really has not been a particularly great fantasy quarterback. We keep going into every season, treating him as if he's still the Aaron Rogers of old and treating his weapons as if they're still playing with the Aaron Rodgers of old. And maybe it's time that we, we accept that like,

he's not as efficient as he used to be. He's, you know, last year he was 13th, but he was, that was the most past tense I think he's ever had. So it, he's a different guy.

Maybe it's the scheme. Maybe it's the weapons. There's still these flashes where he makes these plays that very few people in the NFL can make, but like he hasn't been the same guy in a couple years. I asked this question on the show yesterday, and I don't think David or Heath saw the play. But did you guys happen to see the play? He threw a deep ball to Jimmy Graham.

And he overthrew. Now, my two thoughts were like, Jimmy Graham is really slow. But also, that is the kind of play where Aaron Rodgers just makes a perfect pass over and over again. You are so surprised to see him overthrow that ball. That's the throw that Aaron Rodgers makes that most quarterbacks don't. And he missed them by a pretty considerable amount. So, look, he's the obvious last place on there. Yeah.

I think you're looking at the waiver wire. Well, certainly if you have Rodgers. Now, do you have the guts to start someone over Mahomes or Wilson? In these matchups, Mahomes this week has Denver. Like I said, four straight quarterbacks have scored 20 or more points against Denver. That's Cousins, Josh Allen, Phillip Rivers, and Deshaun Watson. And Wilson's got... Sorry, who's the matchup for Wilson? Watson did it in garbage.

Wilson is at Carolina. Matt Ryan just lit him up. That defense is really bad. Russell could go nuts in that game. It wouldn't be surprising if that was sort of a get-right game for them. The other thing I'd say about Rod too, that's really frustrating is that his elite games were spaced out in such a perfect way that Aaron Rogers owners and people who drafted him could not get off of them and probably are not playing in the playoffs at this point because

he had 28 and week four 53 and week seven. At that point you were too scared to get rid of in 32 the week after that. And then 35 and week 13, like another than that. Yeah. you know i mean it's just it's just a lesson not to draft aaron rogers early and uh for wilson i i don't know what the hell is going on with russell wilson but tyler lockett not doing anything is obviously hurting him but he's throwing enough i mean it's seven games where he's been bad except one game. Bad for, you know, disappointing for fantasy. And in those seven games, he's faced some good teams. He's faced Baltimore, San Francisco, Minnesota, the Rams, the Resurgent Eagles.

But he's completing 62% of his passes for 7.5 yards per attempt. You're just not used to seeing that from Russell Wilson. In his first six games, he completed 72.5% of his passes for 9 yards per attempt. You're just not used to seeing that from Russell Wilson. In his first six games, he completed 72.5% of his passes for nine yards per attempt. So down from 72.5% to 62% and down from nine yards per attempt to 7.5 yards per attempt. And that's the guy that nobody seems to be talking about, worried about, or whatever. And he's letting you down almost every single week. I would, I would say too, that the last time in Russell Wilson's career where he threw a head, uh, force a game of four straight games with at least one interception, which he's on right now, that doesn't happen much for Russell Wilson was 2016. And it happened from, well, look at that weeks, 11 through weeks, 14. And then in week 15, do you know what he did?

He went off, didn't he? 64% completions, 350 yards, four passing touchdowns, zero interceptions against the Arizona Cardinals. Granted, it was at home. That would be my only concern here is that the Panthers defense is set up to allow him to throw off a play action. It could very well be a get-right game, and it is a good matchup. allow him to throw off a play action to sort of, you know, it's one of those, it could, it could very well be a get right game and it is a good matchup. So I would be a little concerned about benching him. All right, Chris, let's get to our next question here. Before we do, I want to ask you if you have had little Caesars and if you've ordered online, have you ordered a pizza online from little Caesars yet? If not, you're missing out

on pizza portal pickup. And what is pizza portalup? It's like getting a pizza right out of the oven yourself. You walk in, you enter a code on the portal, a door opens, and you're off with your favorite pizza. And whatever pizza you order, it'll have crazy, crazy amounts of toppings. It's fun. Give it a try, but it's only available at Little Caesars Pizza Pizza. Chris, this question comes from Jonathan. What do you do with Alvin Kamara? Start him or sit him if you have a better matchup with other guys next week? You start him.

Who are you going to sit him for? I understand that this has been an incredibly frustrating season if you have Alvin Kamara on your team. And week 14 especially. I mean, obviously a terrible matchup against San Francisco, but he only had 39 or 43 yards. That's really bad. 1.9 yards per carry.

Especially when they scored 90 points. Like, they combined for 90 points. It's terrible. It was really bad. But before that, he was averaging 5.4 yards per carry in his previous three games. He had 23 catches in his previous three games, including 19 targets between weeks 11 and 12. I just, like, he can't, he couldn't sustain the touchdown pace that he was on last year.

He can't sustain this touchdown pace moving the opposite direction. He had 18 and 15 games last season. The offense isn't appreciably worse, and he has one, two touchdowns, sorry, in 11 games. Now, maybe he's not healthy. You know, he did miss some time in the middle of the season sorry an 11 game now maybe he's not healthy maybe you know he did miss some time in the middle of the season with that ankle injury maybe he's not healthy except that he didn't look unhealthy between 11 and 13 yeah he's looking good like there was one where i think latavius murray had like a 23 yard touchdown last week there have been touchdowns available in this offense they just haven't gone to him and if alvin camara had scored

two touchdowns in the last four weeks, nobody's thinking about sitting. Yeah, I know this is a bad game, but going into this game, you looked at his, his 16 game pace going into week 14 compared to a 16 game pace last year. When he played 15 games, he was actually on pace for more total yards, but he was on pace for four touchdowns compared to 18 last year. So going into this game,

it was just, hey, he's not scoring. Now coming out of this game, 13 carries for 25 yards, four catches for 18 yards, a really terrible game. Is there anything else to it, Will, or you just start Alvin Kamara? I mean, this is, look, he was having a great start to the year. He suffered an ankle injury. It's a lot like Saquon Barkley, except not as bad, in that the expectations were so high as a top three or four pick or whatever you took, probably top three pick, right, that in comparison to Christian McCaffrey, and given the frustration of you know what Kamara's upside is,

you start your studs. This is the playoffs. You have Alvin Kamara on your bench. He is capable of erupting for a 40-point game. He's actually due. Chris has pointed out the touchdown regression and how he wasn't going to sustain it from last year. That's true.

He is, however, due for a touchdown regression in a positive way this year. So don't bench Alvin Kamara and watch him score three times against the Colts. They did give up, I think, 11 passes to running backs between Peyton Barber, Ronald Jones, and Darryl Ogunabowale. And so I would not want to be the guy who misses out on the Alvin Kamara Week 15 explosion. You drafted him. You made the playoffs. You play him.

You would have to have – I mean, who do you have to have on your bench to sit i was looking at like you could you could chris carson you could start over him um that's a that's a no-brainer you definitely start but you're not like like guys that we've added on waivers i'm not starting deandre washington i mean he gets this actually would i be shocked if deandre washington if jake jacobs is out of if Washington had a better game than Kamara? No, but 10 times out of 10, I would start Kamara over him. 10 times out of 10.

Yeah, you do not start DeAndre Washington, even if Josh Jacobs is out. Would you start Austin Eckler over Alvin Kamara? Eckler's got the Chargers at home. Eckler's on the Chargers. I'm sorry, the Vikings at home. And Kamara's got the Colts. No.

Yeah, probably. You would? I wouldn't. There's almost nobody. If I were doing rankings, Camara would be my top five. Especially in PPR, because before this game, he had like eight or more catches in three straight games. I have total faith in him.

I mean, you probably have a flex spot, right? I think it's something closer to like, would you start Phillip Lindsay? No, I was going to go there because he's got the Chiefs and hell no, I would not start Phillip Lindsay over him. No way. Yeah. And I wouldn't start like Adrian Peterson because Geis is going to probably be out.

So you're starting him and you know, I wouldn't start most of it over him. Okay, let's move on. Last question. Is the Rams offense back? Will, they looked good last night. What do you think? I was trying to remember. Did I talk good things about the Rams or bad things about the Rams last week?

I don't know. Because they were coming off a game against the Cardinals. Going into this game, I did not think they were going to do well. Because I basically felt like, but I just, because they were coming off a game against the Cardinals, I don't, going into this game, I did not think they were going to do well because I basically felt like, Goff in particular, I didn't think Goff was going to do well. Look, there is a very, very, very, very, very,

very, very clear delineation for the Rams this year. They have scored at least 20 points in every single game except for three. That was week six against the San Francisco 49ers. That is the top defensive team by DVOA. Then they have week two, excuse me, week 10 against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a top three team by DVOA, at least going into week 14. Week 11, they scored 17 points in a win against the Bears, a top 10 DVOA defense. And then in week 12, they scored six points against the Baltimore Ravens.

Surprise, surprise. A top 10 DVOA defense. Where's Seattle? Seattle sucks on defense. Yeah, Seattle's been bad defensively. And they had no pass rush. That was the thing. They had one of the worst pass rushes, one of the worst pressure rates in the NFL. And we know that about Jared Goff. When he has time,

he's very good. And when he doesn't, he's usually pretty bad. And he only scored 19 fantasy points, but I think if you watch that game, the interceptions weren't necessarily his fault, and he really, for the most part, I thought looked outstanding. So how much faith do you have in them? Chris, how much faith do you have in Goff?

Because obviously you're starting girly in most situations. Woods has three straight games with four maybe with 90 or more yards, and he finally caught a touchdown. He's getting all the targets. Cooper Cup is really not getting a lot of targets. So it comes down to golf and Cup, I think. And how much faith do you have in them at Dallas and then at San Francisco? Chris?

I'm starting Cup. He's still getting red zone looks. He's still – I mean mean the targets have been disappointing only one game with more than six in his last five since the bye week robert woods has been dominating but you know that game against dallas that has the potential to be you know this week's version of san francisco versus new orleans this is a bonanza if you will yeah it could be a bonanza, if you will. Yeah, it could be a bonanza. Adam, don't say anything. But Dallas has been one of the most aggressive passing teams in the NFL. You look at the air yards, leaderboards and Dak Prescott's right near the top.

He's been putting up huge numbers every game, taking risks down the field. If there was a game that Los Angeles needed to go back and forth and throw the ball a lot. And this is one that I think it could be it. And so, yeah, I'm still starting Cooper cup golf. You know, you throw him in that discussion with Rogers and Tannehill and all those guys, you know, he might be second or third on that list for me this week. Oh, I was going to say, I was going to mention him. I looked him up. He's 83% owned in CBS Leagues. If he's on the waiver wire

and you have a quarterback situation, he's number one on that whole list. Easily. I mean, by far. I think you guys are overstating it a little bit because I think you're too high on golf, to be honest, because you look at his game log

and when he has had good games, it has been almost exclusively against some of the worst pass defenses. He has four games this year with more than 21 fantasy points. And they are against the Bucs, the Falcons, the Bengals, and the Cardinals. Four of the very worst. Are you aware that the Cowboys are a terrible pass defense? Well, they're 13th against quarterbacks. And it depends.

Are they going to have Jeff Heath back? Because they're not a terrible pass defense. What do you mean? They're 13th in fantasy points? Yes. Fantasy points allowed to quarterbacks. Well, I mean, they play in the NFC East, and they play the Dolphins.

And look at their home versus road. Look at their home versus road. They're much better at home. Almost every passing touchdown they've given up this year has been on the road. I think the only one... I don't know. I think maybe the only passing touchdown... No, I'm sorry. Only wide receiver. Only wide receiver up this year has been on the road. I think the only one... I don't know. I think maybe the only passing touchdown...

No, I'm sorry. Only wide receiver. Only wide receiver touchdown this year has been Cole Beasley in Dallas. Something, I think. I could be wrong about that, but... You think the only wide receiver touchdown has been Cole Beasley?

In Dallas. Yes. Against the Cowboys. That's because Aaron Jones caught all the touchdown passes against them. I don't think any road wide receivers caught a touchdown except for Cole Beasley. I think John Brown threw one, and that's it.

They played the Giants, the Dolphins, the Packers, the Eagles, the Vikings. There's enough good players there, okay? There's enough good wide receivers there. That is the biggest cherry-picking Adam Azer stat I've ever heard in my entire life. Look, I just think they're a better team at home. And I don't think they're... I don't think they're that good of a matchup. I mean, maybe they are,

because we'll see if Jeff Heath is playing. And I'm sure Van Der Esch just affects the defense in general, and he's probably not going to play. But look, I think Goff's had a crap... Goff has had a bad year. Goff has had a bad year. Like, this is... He hasn't had an MVP-caliber year. No, he's had a crap year. Goff has had a bad year. Goff has had a bad year. He hasn't had an MVP caliber year. No, he's had a bad year.

He's been crap. You can't say the only wide receiver touchdown that's been scored. I mean, there was three passing touchdowns. Who cares? Fine. Fine. Strike it from the record. I just thought it was an interesting stat.

I'm just saying, Kirk Cousins threw three passing touchdowns to Kyle Rudolph and Dalvin Cook. And Aaron Rodgers lit it up with Aaron Jones. You can light up the Cowboys. Golf, if you start Ryan Tannehill, Aaron Rodgers, or any of those other names you talked about over Jared Goff, you're making a huge mistake. If you can get Jared Goff, get him and start him. He scored 19 points last night.

You know that, right? He probably wasn't even top 12. Let's see where he finished. There were six quarterbacks who scored 30 points, and we're going crazy over a guy who scored 19? Fine, fine, fine. You want to pick up Drew Locke and start him over Jared Goff? Have fun.

He was 14th going into Monday night, so he'll be 15th after Carson Wentz this week. I just think that he's not a layup. He hasn't earned that. He hasn't been good enough this year. We're getting nothing for Brandon Cooks. He gets nothing in the passing game from Todd Gurley. And Tyler Higbee is another guy we should talk about here

if I can transition, because that is someone that maybe should be a top waiver wire priority. Tyler Higbee's 38% on Chris, and he's got two straight 100-yard games, both against really bad teams against tight ends, Arizona and Seattle. But Dallas has struggled a little bit lately.

So, Higby, thoughts? As long as Gerald Everett's out, Tyler Higby's going to be a useful fantasy option at tight end, just like when Tyler Higby was out earlier in the season, Gerald Everett was a useful fantasy option at tight end. I don't think there's an appreciable difference in talent or playmaking ability between those two guys. I think it just comes down to the fact that when they're both healthy, they're splitting work. And when they're not, there are targets available. I think they're up to 110 targets

to tight ends this season or right around there. I think they had 84 last season. So there's just, there's a lot more work for the tight ends and when it's only one person getting it there is the opportunity for them to to be a useful fantasy option so yeah i think tyler higby there's actually a lot of good tight end options uh on waivers this week but tyler higby is definitely among them tight ends amazing it's so good now i mean yeah like like Noah Fant is still pretty widely available. He's going to be, I think, one of the top waiver wire options this week. He's 50% available.

Ian Thompson, as long as Greg Olson's out. Hayden Hurst, if Mark Andrews does have to sit out this Thursday's game. Yeah, I got burned by Ryan Griffin, though. That was disappointing. Yeah, you got hurt. Yeah. Will, it sounded like you disappointing. Yeah, you got hurt. Yeah. Will, it sounded like you did really want to hurt me today. No, I never want to hurt you.

Just bring a little passion, a little energy. Yeah, I got you. I didn't realize Jared Goffin scored that few fantasy points. Felt like he had a great game. He did. He did have a great game, but he scored 19 fantasy points. It was surprising. Thanks to Will and Chris.

Thanks to Dr. Chow. Thanks to all of you for listening. Waver Wire tomorrow. See you later.