Fantasy Football Today - 12/19: Start or Sit (AFC Home Games) (Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: December 19, 2019It's time to win some leagues! We'll give you players we love (1:50) and players we hate (8:00) in Week 16. How do we feel about Marlon Mack, Aaron Rodgers, O.J. Howard and Breshad Perriman this week?... We'll also give you a bonus "Commissioner We Hate" ... News and notes (12:45) as we discuss Dak Prescott's injuries, the OAK and MIN backfields and much more. Then we've got Sixty Second Rankings Disputes (19:05) on Gardner Minshew, Leonard Fournette and a couple of others, give you some Week 16 stats to know (27:50) and play "Start, Sit or Flex at Best" (31:40) for players like Devin Singletary, Danny Amendola and James White ... NO-TEN (34:50), OAK-LAC (46:02), BAL-CLE (52:18), CAR-IND (58:03), PIT-NYJ (1:03:53), BUF-NE (1:08:50), CIN-MIA (1:12:40), DET-DEN (1:18:15) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
It is week 16.
It's your fantasy championship.
And it looks like we're not going to have two of the top 10 running backs from this season.
Dalvin Cook likely out.
Josh Jacobs likely out.
But Dave, Jamie, and Heath are in.
Good morning, fellas.
Happy holidays.
I'm in the holiday spirit.
I have the holiday spirit right now.
Happy holidays, guys.
Happy holidays to you.
But I'm not in the holiday spirit right now. Happy holidays, guys. Happy holidays to you, but I'm not in the holiday spirit.
I'm in the spirit of crushing Heath Cummings' soul in our IDP League.
Finally taking down our IDP League.
It's a rematch from last year's final when you crushed my soul.
But this year, the ultimate revenge game.
Always the bridesmaid.
Not this year. This year, I'm the bride revenge game. This is it. Always the bridesmaid. Not this year.
This year, I'm the bride.
Yes.
Well, very good, Dave.
Very happy to hear that.
I've been watching a lot of Elf lately,
and Christmas Vacation was on yesterday,
so I don't even care about fantasy football.
I'm going to help everybody else set their lineups.
I care quite a bit, by the way.
All right, let's just get into one thing real quick.
Got an email.
Somebody worried that if the Patriots lose on Saturday,
then the Ravens game is meaningless and the Ravens would clinch the number one seed.
That is not true.
The Ravens would not clinch the number one seed with the Patriots' loss.
The Chiefs' outcome would still matter.
So Baltimore, no matter what, they're going to have to play that game and play it to win.
So you don't have to worry about that in week 16,
week 17 will be another story.
Let's get to some players you love and players you hate for week 16.
Jamie,
who's a player you love this week?
I love Marlon Mack because he's playing the Panthers.
It's a great matchup.
They allow the most fancy points to opposing running backs.
He's 81 yards shy of his first thousand yard season. So I think he's going to get that
and score and be a beautiful fantasy running back.
Would you say that week 16 is going to be a return of the Mac?
Yes. The Mac attack.
Very good. Okay, Heath, with wit like that, you get to go next. Who do you love?
Or as Adam would say on a sponsorship for a different thing, I'm loving it.
You're loving it.
Yes, absolutely.
I'm loving it.
O.J. Howard. I'm going right back to him. I have two teams where I drafted O.J. Howard.
I left him on my roster for the first six weeks of the season. I cut him. He sat on waivers for
six weeks, and now I'm bringing him back for championship week and starting him.
He has played at least 60 snaps three straight weeks.
That's never happened before in his career.
He led the team in targets once Chris Godwin left, and I expect him to lead the team in targets this week.
I think it would have been a better story if you left him on your team the entire time.
It would be.
Just waiting for this moment for him to deliver a fantasy championship.
Lead the team in targets, huh?
Yeah. We did last week okay he did he had more than god godwin did we don't count god when he's not a team godwin did
but um yes howard and bray both had more than perryman last week justin watson i believe had
more than perryman the week before that's why i'm a little bit more i think perryman's a good
low end number two i'm just a little bit worried worried that six or seven is his cap on targets.
For anybody that watched our CBS Sports HQ shows yesterday, we made it very clear how
much Heath hates Rashad Perryman.
And then I told people to start him with like seven straight tweets.
So I like him.
I just, I'm nervous.
Well, Heath, he's been on this catch rate rant for Rashad Berryman.
It's been fun to watch.
Your catch rate for him, the one that you've been saying, is like 48%.
I believe his career rate is 49%.
Right.
It had to have gone up because he's been at 76% the last three weeks.
Still the worst catch rate in the NFL since he joined the NFL.
I'd love to figure this out, and I can't do it right now who's got a higher catch rate than brashad perryman over the last
three weeks like michael thomas and who um cooper cup has caught every past the last three weeks
boston scott has caught every past the last two weeks okay so he's at best fourth oh 76 he's not
top 30 at 76 there'll be a lot of people with three targets.
There's got to be a minimum.
Yeah, right, right.
So it's got to be a minimum of, what, 10 targets?
Call it that.
He's got to rank up there.
He's been playing well.
Yeah.
Dave, who do you love this week?
Maybe I should go with Brashad Perriman because he's got this awesome matchup against Houston.
I don't think Tampa Bay is going to be able to run the football against anybody, much less the
Texans. So I think you're going to see
a situation where Jameis
is going to have to pass a lot.
Volume has been his best friend. That's why Jameis has been great
for fantasy. And he's the number one receiver.
And I don't think he's going to get a lot of double teams
when the Bucs have so many other pass
catchers out there that are big
and just huge catch radiuses.
The one thing he's got that those
other guys don't have i'm talking about howard watson he's got speed and we've seen that now
the past few weeks and we know that there's going to be some big time deep shots taken against the
texans i like perryman as a top 20 receiver this week if you if you knew he's getting i guess for
both of you you knew he's getting 10 targets where would you rank him right now 10 targets forget about what the result is 10 targets 10 targets he would be top 15 for me top 15 okay so if he's
still six targets does that change things for you like you know right now he's only getting six so
i would lower it a little 35 no he'd be higher than that you'd lower him between six and ten
targets no i'm saying you because you think you i saw the graphic you have him 32 right so you
drop him a few spots yeah i think i've got him for seven right because I mean that's what he had last week
was six targets right so um yeah it's I don't see the thing is I don't necessarily think there's
going to be a huge spike in targets that's the concern like I just think I think he's going to
have a a decent game like I like him uh but you're like a more than why wouldn't there be why wouldn't
there be a huge spike in targets no that's the's the thing, though. I think there'll be a spike.
It just makes sense for there to be.
A spike, but I don't think a huge spike.
I just don't think, like...
It's twofold.
I don't think that they're going to necessarily
change his role dramatically
because I don't know if he's capable of that.
And that's probably not fair to say that,
but we just haven't seen it
in every stop he's been on.
So I think he's kind of locked into being
the top outside guy,
but I don't know if he's going to run... He's not playing a slot. You know, they're not going to use him in Godwin's
role. You know, he's going to essentially replace Mike Evans. So I think Justin Watson is going to
get a good opportunity. I think he's a very good DFS play and somebody that, if you're stuck,
can help you. I think, like Heath has said, OJ Howard's going to play a role. Cameron
Brate's going to play a role. Bruce Arians and Pete Prisco talked about this drink on HQ yesterday.
When Bruce Arians says something, this isn't like typical coaches,
he's pretty frank.
And so when he says the backs are going to catch the ball,
we don't know which one,
but they're probably going to throw to those guys a little bit more.
So I think Perryman is still kind of locked into this maybe six to eight targets.
Like he hasn't predicted for seven. I think that's fair.
It's where
the ball goes elsewhere. And I
think those are the guys you kind of want to look at, which is
why OJ Howard makes sense. If you're stuck, Cameron
Brait makes sense. Justin Watson makes some sense
because like he said two games ago when they
didn't have Scott Miller, he led the team in
targets outside of Chris Godwin when Evans got
hurt. So there's going to be
some opportunities for other guys. It's just a matter of how much you trust the other guys. So there's going to be some opportunities for other guys.
It's just a matter of how much you trust the other guys.
Last week, he played 69 snaps.
This is Perryman.
54 of them were outside.
One was at the tight end spot and everything else was in the slot.
So he does not play in the slot very often, but he can go there and he can work out of
there.
But he's running a lot of different routes.
He's not just a go receiver.
No, no, no.
He's obviously crossing the field, but he's not.
One of his touchdowns was he's not doing what Godwin will do. He's not going a go receiver. No, no, no. He's obviously crossing the field. One of his touchdowns was that. He's not doing what
Godwin will do. He's not going to do what
Godwin will do. And just because he lines up in the slot
doesn't mean he's running slot-type routes.
I mean, guys lined up different formats all the time.
Amongst players with at least nine targets
over the past three weeks, Brashad Perryman ranks
28th in catch rate. Really?
Okay. All right.
What about 10, Heath? We said
10 targets. I thought we said three targets per game. He's probably up to 15. My bad. Whatever. All right. Let'll have to take your word for it. But what about 10, Heath? We said 10 targets. I thought we said three targets per game.
It's probably up to 15.
My bad.
Whatever.
All right, let's go to player you hate this week.
Dave, you can kick it off.
Player you hate.
A player that I hate this week.
David Montgomery is a pretty obvious one.
Here's one.
Aaron Rodgers.
I don't feel good starting Aaron Rodgers against the Minnesota Vikings
ever since Zimmer's become the head coach.
He's done a nice job against Rodgers, but especially in Minnesota,
five games, only once has Rodgers been above 20 fantasy points,
and it wasn't even that much higher.
I think it was 23 fantasy points.
Rodgers isn't playing a prolific style of football anymore.
The Packers trying to run the ball.
I think that's what they're going to try and do is lean on their running backs just like they have been doing and it could limit Rodgers and
Rodgers also doesn't have a lot of great talent to throw to I think he got sick of Valdez Scantling
last week I bet he doesn't play very much Kumro is going to get an opportunity you know Devonta
Adams is going to do his thing but outside of him who's the next most reliable pass catcher in Green
Bay no Jones and Williams right so like they'll involved, but it's going to take them either catching a touchdown
or catching a couple passes and breaking them long for Rodgers to have a big game.
So I'm not optimistic about Aaron Rodgers helping us win a fantasy championship this week.
I think most people probably share that sentiment.
It's one of those games where prime time, division's on the line.
If Vikings offense shows up and puts up and
they're they're chasing points rogers is going to have a big game if the game is back and forth and
it's uh you know field goal here field goal there touchdown there touchdown back and forth i don't
think rogers has a big game but if they get behind early and it's you know it's on him he's going to
come out and put on a good show but jamie rogers hasn't really been good against any good opponent
this year.
He basically just beats up on the easy matchups he has.
So you can't have any confidence in him, I think, going into this matchup.
100%. I totally agree.
I don't think anybody should have a lot of confidence in him.
It just wouldn't shock me if he has a good game
because his Viking secondary is beatable.
And if it falls on his shoulders or shoulder
to have to sort of win this game and potentially
win the division and keep pace with the 49ers Seahawks and Saints for the top seed I just it
wouldn't surprise me if he has a better than average game for Aaron Rodgers at this point
all right and Heath oh yeah Heath who do you hate I guess it's Cooper Cup and I made reference to
him catching every pass over the past three weeks. The problem is that means he has like 14 catches over the past three weeks
because he just has not had the same target volume.
He hasn't had the same usage.
He had one game where he played like 29% of the snaps.
This profile is a low-scoring game.
He has scored a touchdown each of the past three weeks,
but I don't want to bet on that touchdown.
I don't want to start Cooper Cup.
Jamie, who do you hate?
I don't hate, but I'm scared of Todd Gurley.
Same game.
Defense for the 49ers has been absolutely monstrous
against opposing running backs.
And I would start Mike Boone over him.
I would start DeAndre Washington over him.
If, I guess that's the only two big injury.
Carry on?
No, I wouldn't start carry on over him.
But I would start those other two guys over him.
I just don't think Todd Gurley, without a touchdown,
is going to have a good game. and I don't think he scores.
All right, so those are players we love, players we hate.
We have a bonus category today, a commissioner you hate.
Think about a commissioner you hate.
Jamie, let me go to you on this.
No, I think we have a different answer for this, actually.
Jamie, is there a commissioner you hate right now?
No, there's not a commissioner I hate.
I'm obviously a bad commissioner when it comes to collecting money.
I'm terrible at that.
We've talked about this time and time again.
But the one thing that I always try to do is make sure that I set all of my playoff matchups,
especially when it comes to championship game.
We spent a lot of time talking about commissioners last week,
and there's one commissioner who really has struggled in this regard, and it's you!
You didn't set the playoff matchups in our Dynasty League.
In this very league, two years ago, we had a scoring change.
Oh, come on.
And so I have decided to not set matchups until after scoring changes have been educated.
No, no, no, no.
Bad commissioner.
It's Thursday.
There's no Thursday game.
There's plenty of time to say.
Bad commissioner.
You could at least make an announcement to the league that that's what you're doing.
Adam, we had this talk on the podcast yesterday,
and I'm not going to congratulate people for making the championship game when I didn't make the championship game.
I'm mad at them.
I don't like them.
You're a bitter commissioner.
I don't wish them good luck or good fortunes.
No.
Okay.
Well, I installed you as the favorite in the podcast league,
so I was trying to kind of jinx you, by the way.
We have more Heath coming up later tonight.
We are dropping a DFS episode for you.
So I know you all liked that last week.
Heath and Mike McCaw are going to give you another one today.
Three shows per week during the offseason.
That's what you have to look forward to.
Three shows per week.
So we did two last year.
We're bumping it up to three.
And of course, we have the Apple Podcast mailbag.
If you want to ask your questions via Apple Podcast,
please do.
Let's do the injuries news and notes.
Daniel Jones working with the starters.
Looks like he's going to start at Washington.
He has three games with 35 or more fantasy points this season.
He's been pretty much amazing or bad.
So we'll talk about that game tomorrow.
Dak Prescott, though, guys,
he was limited with a sprained AC joint in his shoulder.
And we should probably take this seriously
because he's working through a few issues here, guys.
Dak Prescott.
I was listening to Dr. Chow on a radio show this morning,
and he said that this is not something to overlook, despite the
fact that he had the MRI and it came back clean, that this is something that could potentially
bother him and how he throws the ball, how he throws the ball down the field. So I downgraded
him. I would still start him, but I'd start Brian Fitzpatrick over him. For example, I'm not there
yet with guys like Dalton and Minshew, but I'm concerned. I have Michael Gallup in two finals.
I'm not going to play him.
Cooper went from a top eight receiver for me to closer to 15.
So I'm worried about Dak.
He does not have a good history going into Philadelphia.
It could be a bad game for him,
despite the fact that the Eagles secondary is obviously beatable
and you can get a lot of production there from your receivers.
But the last time these two teams met, it was the Ezekiel Elliott show.
I'm sure that's going to be what their game plan is,
especially if Dak can't throw to the same level that we've seen.
So I am very, very concerned about Dak Prescott in this matchup
if you're playing him in your championship.
I wasn't a big fan of Dak either because I think the Cowboys learned
that they have to lean on Zeke after last week.
I mean, they just blew out the Rams at home and Zeke was a huge factor.
And then Tony Pollard finished off the game
and he had a big game.
I'm with you.
I think Dak is a low-end starter at this point.
And if he ends up being questionable,
legit chance he lets you down.
21 or fewer fantasy points
in three of his past four games as well.
And that's with a healthy shoulder
for most of those games.
So the big news is really about the running backs
because Josh Jacobs is not going to play
and it looks like Dalvin Cook is not going to play. Haven't heard about Alexander Madison.
You guys can clue us in on that. So what's going on here with those two situations and how much
which backup running back do you like the best right now? Boone in non PPR, Washington and PPR.
I like Boone better in both. BBB.
Okay.
And we don't think Madison's going to play?
Don't know.
No idea.
That would obviously change the way I feel about BBB.
If Madison ends up playing, then it would be Madison ahead of Washington.
Yeah, today's Thursday, obviously,
so this is the first day that they'll go through practice.
So we'll find out if it was a high ankle sprain, mid ankle sprain,
low ankle sprain, or no ankle sprain.
All right. So DeAndre Washington,
he's still available in over half of our CBS leagues. He had 20 touches.
He had 96 total yards
and a touchdown against Tennessee two weeks ago.
Running backs, though, in the last six games
against the Chargers, they're averaging
3.56 yards per carry. The run defense
has gotten a lot better. Minnesota,
on the other hand, Green Bay is a much worse run defense,
so Boone probably has a better matchup, but just
don't know what the
touches are going to be like there. Other running back
news, Derrick Henry practiced, which is good. We knew
he was going to play, but it's good that he's back at practice, whereas
he really wasn't able to practice last week.
Damian Williams practiced. Guys, do we
have any interest in a Chiefs running back this week?
Desperate
situation. You probably have to be desperate.
Maybe he's flexy in a PPR league.
We don't know if Hakeem Hicks is going to play for the Bears.
They might shut him down now that their season's over.
But both Washington and Boone over Damian Lewis.
100%.
Even in PPR.
Yes.
Okay.
From what I read yesterday, it seemed like Hicks was going to play.
He said he wanted to play.
Yeah.
So keep that in mind.
There's talk in Chicago that they might shut him down.
I thought he was off the injury report.
He isn't on it.
No, no, no.
This came out after the game Sunday that the Bears were talking about Hicks.
There was not one other guy that's been fighting through an injury.
I don't know who.
Maybe Luke Amaro.
That they may shut down their guys that have been, you know, not 100%.
Wide receivers.
Juju Smith-Schuster was limited in practice.
Keeping an eye on that. Corey Davis has an ankle issue.uju Smith-Schuster was limited in practice. Keeping an eye on that.
Corey Davis has an ankle issue, whatever.
DJ Chark was limited in practice.
Do you think we will see Juju or DJ Chark this week?
Chark, maybe.
I mean, the fact that he's limited in practice is definitely a good sign.
You know, he's not going to get fined anymore, so that's a positive.
So we'll see.
Okay.
Demarius Thomas could once again miss the game,
which would be nice for Crowder and or Robbie Anderson.
Nelson Aguilar missed practice,
which is nice for Greg Ward.
For tight ends,
Greg Olson expected to play on the offensive line.
The Saints could be getting Andrews' feedback,
which would be very helpful,
but they might not have their right guard, Larry Warford.
There's some other offensive
line injuries. Cleveland's a little beat up right now.
Yep, Lane Johnson's still
day-to-day, but he's going to try to play for
Philadelphia against Dallas.
And then defensively, Jamal Adams looks like
he's going to play this week against Pittsburgh.
Richard Sherman's going to play.
Washington's secondary is beat up
right now as they're facing the Giants.
Denver safety Kareem Jackson is suspended
for the rest of the season.
So if you like Drew Locke this week,
or sorry, David Blau this week,
if you like David Blau, that's a good thing.
What's wrong with Kenny Galladay?
This is not going to affect Kenny Galladay.
Chris Harris is going to be on Kenny Galladay.
Okay, well...
Galladay's a little risky.
I don't know, man.
We've seen receivers play well against Denver lately.
I'm not ready to say that Galladay's a little risky.
Oh, I don't think he's a must-hit.
I don't think he's a must-hit.
But it's still risky.
Do you have him in your top 24?
I have him at 24 exactly.
I was saying that it was Danny Amendola because he was positively affected by this news.
Not that I like Danny Amendola more than I like Kenny Galladay.
Sure.
Yes, Kenny Galladay is still a top 24 wide receiver.
Yes, he is.
It's just that in PPR, Danny Amendola is as well. I like Amendola better than I like Kenny Galladay. Yes, Kenny Galladay is still a top 24 wide receiver. Yes, he is. It's just that in PPR, Danny Amendola is as well.
I like Amendola better than Galladay in PPR.
Wow.
Oh, boy.
Amendola is someone I really want to talk about because this guy,
it's like all we care about are the targets because he's had eight or more
targets, three straight, or exactly eight, three straight games.
Two of those games, he had less than 35 yards.
One game, though, without Marvin Jones.
He's got one touchdown all season. And what was
the dude they just play?
They played Tampa Bay.
Was there Tampa Bay? Exactly.
They played the best matchup in fantasy.
So, all right. Not so much
game later. Not so much lately.
Not to number ones, but to the other.
They're doing better against number ones. Not so much the other
guys. Jonathan Jones for the Patriots.
He could miss this week's game.
He's their slot corner.
He's one of the better slot corners in the NFL.
All right, let's do some rankings disputes.
Obviously, Heath's here.
So Gardner Minshew is a rankings dispute.
Heath versus Dave.
Jamie's got Minshew 12th.
Heath has him 9th.
Dave has him 23rd.
Heath, Gardner Minshew at Atlanta.
I mean, he's made 10 starts in
the United States of America he's top 20 fantasy points in seven of those 10 starts I expect he's
going to be chasing the score on a fast track against a defense that's just okay they've been
better than when they were terrible but they're not good so it's a very good situation similar to
the situation last week when he scored 22 fantasy points i imagine he'll be right in that same range he was gifted 22 fantasy points by a raiders defense that absolutely stunk in a raiders
offense that couldn't move the football and before that he had 26 fantasy points combined in his
previous two games one of those is only a half i i think the falcons are gonna are gonna rise up
pun intended because that's their slogan uh in this one they're gonna play hard for their coach
i think their defense is playing better.
I think their pass rush was a big factor last week
and why Jimmy Garoppolo didn't have a big game against him.
If Garoppolo at home can't put up big numbers against the Falcons,
I don't think Gardner Minshew on the road can.
I don't know that Garoppolo has been better than Minshew in fantasy this season.
I don't know if that's the example I would use in terms of a quarterback.
I think they've been pretty similar in fantasy.
Yeah.
I mean, I just look at his numbers on the road road he's averaging over 21 fantasy points per game on the
road so far this season in the five stars that he's made so i think he'll be in that range too
i don't think he's gonna have a a blowout game um but uh i go back and forth between him and
dalton i think they're kind of similar i'll take the quarterback taking miami oh i get it i get it
yeah uh but you know that's also a situation where I could see the Bengals running on the
Dolphins quite a bit because Joe Mixon's been awesome.
Alright, let's go to Kyler Murray. Let's go
Jamie versus Heath here. Jamie, you've
got Kyler Murray 22nd.
Dave has him 19th. Heath has him
13th. Jamie, you do not like
Kyler Murray at Seattle. He hasn't been a good fantasy
quarterback in like five weeks.
And so going into Seattle
first time, he's going to make that trip there.
I think that defense is going to make him uncomfortable.
I don't think his receivers are winning very often.
And so time of possession is going to be a problem for them
because Seattle is going to run all over Arizona.
So I just don't think Kyler Murray has a very high ceiling.
He hasn't been running as much either.
So I just don't love the setup for him going into this matchup.
It has been five weeks,
but one of those was a buy and two of those were really difficult defenses.
I,
I think like,
I don't really want to start Kyler Murray.
I would start Gardner Minshew and Ryan Fitzpatrick over him.
But I do think that like for the season,
he's still pretty close to a top 12 quarterback.
He's had a bad stretch of three games.
Basically.
I still think he has pretty good upside if
they fall behind and he gets garbage time does for the season really matter i think yes i think
for the season is far more predictable on a large scale than the last three weeks or the last four
weeks and i i go the exact opposite way because math would say that for the season is more
predictable that's fine but the situation is different for every team yes but now versus
week one and week two changed in something has changed in the situation,
then I will take the Danny Amendola thing.
His quarterback changed.
I don't really think –
Kyler Murray's had a bad stretch against some bad matchups,
but I don't think anything's really changed.
What's his fantasy production been since he's gotten Kenyon Drake in week nine?
There were three games where he was awesome, weeks nine, 10, and 11.
Week 12, the bye.
Week 13, 14, 15, 17 fantasy points or fewer.
Yeah, I think he's probably averaged about 20,
which is what he's averaged for the season.
He's at 19.9 for the season.
He had a 30, a 31, and a 26, a 12, a 13, and a 17.
So he's been up and down, and recently it's been down.
But I do think, for me at least,
the full season still matters more than the last three weeks.
Yeah, he also, Kyler Murray, had a very good game last week.
We talked about it.
He was the unluckiest player, in my opinion, in fantasy in Week 15.
He just kept handing off to Kenyon Drake,
who had scored four rushing touchdowns, but he was playing very well.
All right, next one's interesting here.
Leonard Fournette.
I mean, let's be honest.
Leonard Fournette has been very disappointing for fantasy owners.
It's in non-PPR, eight or fewer fantasy points in five of his last six games.
Obviously better in PPR, but still not killing it.
But Dave is like super low on Leonard Fournette.
Heath is super high on Leonard Fournette.
Jamie's got him 10th.
But Dave, you have him 24th, and Heath has him second.
Dave versus Heath on Fournette at Atlanta.
The Jaguars have had a total of 12 red zone trips in their last six games.
They are not moving the ball very well at all.
Fournette needs to find the end zone at this point.
I'm not convinced he can come through for a 100-yard game,
and he's only scored three times all season long.
PPR, it's a different story because I think he can catch five or six passes.
But this is a play against Fournette and that offensive line
and that offense in
general in jacksonville i think if you're looking for eight fantasy points he can come through if
you're looking for 12 or 13 non-ppr points he's going to get you eight yeah i just i'm always
going to be on this side if you've got a guy that's on pace for 1900 yards and he's scored
three touchdowns i'm going to expect that he's going to score touchdowns at a higher rate than
he has so far and so i expect he's getting 20 touches per game. I think that the Jags are gonna be able to move
the ball. And even if the game script gets away from him, it's still going to be good for him
because he'll get receiving work. I don't have him second non PPR. He's fifth. But I do think
in PPR, he's got a highest ceiling as anyone. Yes, he's fifth. Sorry about that. Dave,
would you then be starting DeAndre Washington and Mike Boone over Leonard Fournette?
Boone, yes.
Washington, no.
But I'm low on Washington.
For similar reasons.
And I think starting Mike Boone over Leonard Fournette
with the workload he's received is a little bit crazy.
I understand where you're coming from.
And the workload is there.
Jamie, break a tie.
It's even been there recently.
I still take Fournette.
Just again, I think the workload matters here.
I mean, this obviously goes with Dave, how he feels about Minshew,
that he buys into the Falcons' defense more so than the Jaguars' offense,
which is, if that's how you're going to come out on this,
you're going to be down on the entire team.
So it makes sense.
Yeah, I'm worried about the Jaguars.
Last one.
Let's do Cortland Sutton.
Cortland Sutton against Detroit.
Look, he's a top 24 wide receiver and non-PPR for everyone,
but not quite there for Heath.
Heath, you have Sutton 31st.
And we'll go against Jamie here.
Actually, Dave's the high guy on Sutton, top 12.
Jamie has him 18th in PPR.
You have him 31st, Heath.
What's the deal?
Yeah, I don't like in non-PPR, we're five spots apart.
I might even be a little bit low on him.
Maybe he should be 22nd or something in non-PPR.
In PPR, he worries me because he's averaging four catches per game,
basically four and a half catches per game.
And his quarterback, Drew Locke,
they've had two games where they've won with him at quarterback,
and he's thrown 27 and 28 passes.
So I just worry about how many targets he's going to get
if they beat the lions like i expect
them to i i just think he's okay secondary stinks so hold defense they'll have the chance that's
true so i'll still stick with him it's not it's not a numbers thing it's more of a i just think
he'll play he'll play well enough has a chance to score this is still the number one receiver on
this team no offense banged up you know so it it's easy for him to come through with a couple
big plays here i think he could score two touchdowns i think he's got that kind of upside yeah i pretty
much say i don't say to sit sudden every week but you know we always get a lot of questions
sutton or this guy i tend to go away from sutton this is the i'm finally like in i'm ready for a
big game from corlin sudden the lions are just they're just done like they just are really bad
it's a great matchup.
All right, I'll give you some stats to know.
We'll get into the games.
We'll do some start, sit, or flex at best.
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Quick stats to know here.
Hunter Henry has nine targets in his last three games,
none of them in the red zone,
but he has such a tantalizing matchup against the Raiders
who give up the third most fantasy points to tight ends.
Are you getting away?
Any waiver wire tight ends that you'd start over Hunter Henry?
You would, right?
There's one for me.
It's O.J. Howard, and it makes me sick to my stomach,
but that's what I would do.
I have a tough choice in one league where I have Higby and Henry,
and it'll be made easy for me if Gerald Everett plays,
which he practiced in full yesterday,
so it sounds like Gerald Everett's going to be back.
If that's the case, I'm going to play Henry just because of the matchup.
I do think that matters in this case
because the Raiders are just absolutely terrible against tight ends.
Nick Chubb. Let's talk about Nick Chubb.
This is one of the guys I thought was one of the more interesting players
because you think this Ravens run defense is so good.
They've been good but not great lately.
And Chubb, in my opinion, he's had eight tough matchups this year,
not including his first game against Baltimore
because they didn't have their best run stuffer in that game.
And Chubb has scored 8, 15, 12, 9, 23, 8, 9, and 7 fantasy points
in those tough matchups.
So that's single digits in non- PPR in five of those matchups,
you know,
he doesn't catch the ball that much anymore.
So,
you know,
with cream hunt here.
So like,
what do you guys think about Nick Chubb?
How tough is the matchup?
How good of a start is he?
He is one of the players that on Tuesday,
when I did my first run of projections,
I was like,
Oh no,
Nick Chubb's way too low.
He was actually outside of my top 20.
I've moved him up a little bit,
but this is probably,
I've got him 14th and non PPR 18th and and ppr it's probably the lowest i've ranked him all year
it's probably where he should be yeah it's tough it's uh it's look you know he's gonna have the
chance to get touches and um it's just a matter of how much they'll use him in the passing game
what the game flow will be i think baltimore is going to smash them after what happened that's
one of their losses on the season, even though it's in Cleveland.
So I'm nervous about Chubb myself.
I have him in one final where I picked up both Boone and Washington,
and I'm struggling with Boone right now.
He's not in PPR, so I'm struggling with Boone versus Chubb.
I think if you know for sure that Boone is going to be the guy,
then maybe you take the chances on him because he's got the better match.
Listen, we also don't know what this offensive line for Cleveland
is going to look like and who's going to be healthy for them.
And that hurts them too.
If they've got a couple of backups on that O-line,
it's going to make it tough on Chubb.
And they're for sure going to be trailing in this one.
That helps Hunt, hurts Chubb.
So if you want to be optimistic about Nick Chubb,
he's been solid just about every game.
No matter what the score is, he's you know he's been solid just about every game no matter what the score is he's getting the work um and here are the last five lead running backs against baltimore and their
yards per carry carlos hyde 7.22 todd girley 3.67 not good but raheem mostert 7.68 devin singletary
5.24 levion bell 4.14 One of his best games of the year.
Yeah, that's good for him.
So the run defense hasn't been elite the last five games.
The Hyde one's a little misleading because he had the one big run to score the touchdown.
It's true.
And wasn't it in garbage time?
Yes.
All right, I'll give you one more stat here.
How about this same game?
A wide receiver has had 80 yards or a touchdown in all but one game against the Ravens this year.
You might be sitting there going,
look, I get away from Beckham, I understand,
but if you have Landry, since Jimmy Smith returned,
five wide receivers have had 80 or more yards,
and here are the ones who have done well.
Sanu, Debo Samuel, Cole Beasley, Jamison Crowder.
Those are the ones who have scored a touchdown.
Seems pretty slotty to me.
Yeah, slot guys, yards after catch guys like the Landry
Landry like don't love yeah I Landry
yeah Landry not Crowder sorry I can I
have a stat to Adam yeah per the FFT
Twitter account 10 minutes ago the Eagles
DST sacks changed from zero to one with
a stat correction so if you started the
Eagles and you lost your fantasy match by less than a point,
or maybe even two in some leagues, you may have won now.
Hmm.
Hmm.
So I started, I had the Eagles against you Heath, but that's that corrections.
Luckily I have a little bit of a cushion.
Just want to remind you that.
Okay.
Start, sit or flex at best for some of the games we'll get to a little bit later.
James White, Sonny Michelle,
Devin Singletary, all in
that Buffalo New England game. Are any of them
starts this week? I'd start
James White in PPR. Yeah,
but he's a low-end number two running back. And
I would say the same thing for Singletary.
Sonny's a flex. He's not
a straight-up sit. He's a flex.
I think he'll get a lot of words to sit for me, I would start Singletary and White and PPR,
flex at best for Sony Michel, and I wouldn't mind sitting him.
I'd prefer to sit him.
Be better.
Oh, he stinks.
Yeah.
So, yeah, Singletary is, like, getting 100 total yards
almost every week now.
I think it's three of his last four weeks,
but the Patriots have given up one rushing touchdown
to a running back all year, so kind of limits the upside there.
Does it mean anything that Frank Gore had 100 yards
against the Patriots earlier this year?
Probably not, right?
Yeah.
Oh, you think it means something?
Well, I mean, the Patriots' run defense has been a little up and down.
And Singletary's just been so good.
But I see him getting the total yards.
I just don't really see him scoring the touchdown.
So you're probably looking at the 12-point range in PPR maybe.
Good solid number two, right?
All right, how about Julian Edelman or any wide receivers in that game?
No.
Oh, I can't rule out Edelman that fast.
Last week was ugly, but what are the Patriots going to do on offense?
I mean, kind of the same thing they did last week,
where it's just whoever's open, Tom Brady's going to throw the ball to them.
Yeah, and just hope for the best.
It's not going to be like Cincinnati where the
Bengals were just, you know, giving them chance
after chance. Yeah, no, this is going to be a low scoring
game. This is not going to be a pretty
game here. So
field goal fest.
I think Edelman's the
best flex. I think Edelman and Brown are both flex
at best. I don't
know what to make of Beasley. I think people are going to be
nervous about Beasley. He's a flex too, I think. I think, and PPR, I think he is. And non PPR, I don't know what all right i think people are going to be nervous about beasley he's a flex
too i think i think and ppr i think he is and non-ppr i don't think so but usually i have
element it's like a top 15 receiver not this last time they played john brown had five for 69 edelman
had five for 75 or something something like yeah i think it might have been worse than that yep
no beasley i'm sorry beasley was five for 75 yeah edelman had right beasley let all receivers
be beasley let all receivers with those 75 yards,
and nobody really did well for the Patriots.
At least for me, just based on Edelman's health,
they all make me nervous.
All right.
Let's finish up here.
Start, sit, or flex at best.
Joe Mixon at Miami.
Start, start, start, right?
Top five.
Yeah, he's going to be awesome.
Yep.
Ryan Fitzpatrick against the Bengals.
Start.
Start.
I have him in my top 12.
A Detroit running back at Denver.
Flex the best.
Yeah, if Carrion's back, I'll flex him.
Yep.
Phillip Lindsay against Detroit.
Start.
Start.
Kenny Galladay and Danny Amendola.
Start in a PPR flex.
I'd start both in PPR.
Start both in PPR, flex Amendola, and none.
And I was going to give you Courtland Sutton,
but we already did Courtland Sutton, so we move on to the games.
Here we go, the Titans and the Saints.
You guys are pretty high on Drew Brees, top six quarterback on the road.
No hesitation there?
I mean, slight hesitation for what the upside is,
but no hesitation to start.
I think the lack of a consistent run game for New Orleans
is putting the ball in Breeze's hands,
and that helps his fantasy outlook.
Yeah, his ranking is directly related to our non-PPR ranking
of Alvin Kamara, I would guess.
Perfect.
Perfect way to put it.
I think this is a big game for Kamara.
Just something about it feels like it's coming.
I feel the exact same way.
Of course, I've felt that way for several weeks now.
Most people haven't.
But this is a good run defense, though.
I mean, this is not an easy matchup per se.
Yeah, I think so.
They're giving up four yards per carry for the season to running backs.
That's just like one factor.
They're just a typical run defense,
like create a player with all the average stats.
No,
no,
that's good.
Four yards per carry to running backs is good.
I'll tell you exactly where they rank with that stat.
It's within 10% of league average,
so it just doesn't matter.
I disagree.
Lately, it's been leaky.
I agree.
Lately, it's been leaky?
It has been leaky.
You saw DeAndre Washington score on them.
Jeez Louise, they've allowed five touchdowns
to running backs in their last four games.
Touchdowns, you know, touchdowns
are...
Carlos Hyde scored.
Carlos Hyde ran well against them.
DeAndre Washington did well against them.
Carlos Hyde averaged four yards per carry.
It's true.
Exactly. That's a Hall of Fame game.
So here's the thing. Alvin Kamara gets
13 carries a game.
So four yards per carry is not really going to cut it.
You need more.
You need touchdowns.
I mean, he's going to get five catches.
So I don't think it's only going to be the carries for him.
You know what they typically do in the Sean Payton era on the road
is they try to run the ball a little bit more.
That could be Latavius Murray.
But I just wouldn't be surprised if Kamara has a big game.
Everybody's starting him.
We're not telling you anything different.
You know, we could sit here and say,
start Mike Boone over him,
start DeAndre Washington.
Anytime somebody's going
to their lineup right now,
they're going to see Alvin Kamara
and they're going to see
any of these other guys
are going to say,
I'm not going to be the guy
that benches him in my championship.
And most, totally get it.
Most of the people that have Alvin Kamara
are in the consolation bracket.
Not necessarily.
No, because you could have had,
you could have had other big players.
I would guess over. I don't think he's gonna have a very good win rate he's sure
unless that's way towards the bottom yeah well look i have alvin camara in a non-ppr league and
i'm going to start him and i my three running backs are aaron jones miles sanders and alvin
camara and sanders is my favorite i'd say in non-ppr as long as howard's out but i also picked
up mike Boone.
So I could make that call, but I'm not taking Kamara out.
If anything, I would bench Aaron Jones for Mike Boone.
But, you know, we'll get into that tomorrow.
Yeah, I would start all of those guys in non-PR over Kamara.
I would too.
I get it.
I just don't get it.
Again, as Dave's color shirt, blue in the face and say,
sit Kamara for X, Y, and Z,
and you're going to see his start percentage is still 97%, at least.
Thanks for noticing my wardrobe.
Love it.
Start Michael Thomas.
And I just want to go back to Breeze a little bit
because I know he's played well, but this really stood out to me.
In 2018, last year, he had a four-game stretch
where he scored 38, 34, 38, and 28 fantasy points.
Three of those games were at home.
One was at the Bengals.
He followed those massive games with three straight road games, and he scored 6 to 16 fantasy points in all three of those games.
So anytime Drew Brees is on the road against a respectable defense and you have him in the top six, it stands out to me.
Then again, I mean, I looked at the quarterback rankings
and I didn't really look at this and think this is a great week
for quarterbacks.
I agree. That's the biggest factor of all.
I think he's pretty clearly figured out the road woes this year.
He's been very good on the road, so he's fine.
No, he hasn't. He's had two road games.
He was great at Tampa Bay. He was bad at Atlanta.
No, what they should do is they should start Bridgewater.
I'm an outdoor rookie. at Tampa Bay. He was bad at Atlanta. You know what they should do? They should start Bridgewater. I meant outdoor.
Okay, there you go.
The Titans are giving up the
eighth fewest yards per carry to running
backs. However, very, very
bunchy there from
eight to 20. Heath, we're both
right. I'm willing to say that. Jared Cook,
how do we feel about Jared Cook? Start or sit?
Start.
Low-end starter. Top 10.
Yeah, I would start O.J. Howard over
him. I'd start Higby over him if Everett's out.
Hollister.
Hollister, you could consider over him.
Yeah, I'm not doing that. I'll do Higby
ahead of Cook if Everett's out.
I would take Cook ahead of everybody
we've just mentioned in the last 10 seconds. Yeah think the other guy look cooks obviously got a ton of touchdown
potential but targets have you know clearly been a problem for him lately and i think hollister has
a higher ceiling this week against the cardinals and i think oj howard with the lack of receivers
has a higher ceiling as well but it's it's clearly one of those things where i don't know how many
people are going to say i'm benching Jared Cook for those guys just because of what
I was going to say. It's just like the Camara deal.
Totally agree.
Targets have been a bit of an issue for Cook.
I just want to point out if you look at his game log,
you see two targets in week 14.
He had two targets, two touchdowns
in the first quarter, and then he left.
In the seven games
preceding week 15, which was a little bit of a
letdown, four catches for 54 yards, his seven games before that, on a per-game basis,
he was the number one tight end in non-PPR, number four in PPR.
All right, let's go to the Titans here.
So, look, the Titans in their last seven games, or maybe it's eight games with Ryan Tannehill,
they've averaged over 30 points per game.
I really like the Saints defense,
but they are beat up.
I get that.
What do you expect from the Titans?
Do they score a lot of points in this game?
I mean, just based on what they've done with Tannehill,
the answer would be yes,
but the wild card for the Saints is
what's Janoris Jenkins' role going to be
now that he's part of the secondary?
So you're just adding another talented player into the mix.
Is he going to be full go full snaps, you know, or is it going to be sort of working him in and in some spot
situations? Now, obviously, the Titans don't have a ton of stars in the receiving core. You know,
it's AJ Brown, you can maybe make a case for John DeSmith if you want to, but Corey Davis has banged
up, you know, is it going to be Tajay Sharp? Adam Humphries is hurt as well. So, you know, where's this is the thing I struggle with is where's Tannehill going to
win?
And so I'm slightly concerned, but you said it, the quarterback position being what it
is, it's a little bit, you know, dicey to say you're going to sit Ryan Tannehill with
how successful he's been.
He's going to probably have to run a little bit more in this game.
So I think the games where we saw him 37, 38 yards rushing, that could be on the table here. And I hope they get a little bit more creative and using Henry out of the backfield a little bit more in this game so i think the games where we saw him 37 38 yards rushing that could be on the table here and i hope they get a little bit more creative
and using henry out of the backfield a little bit more of his hamstrings 100 but i would still i
would start two streamers over tannahill would you start any of the streamers over tannahill
fitzpatrick is the only one and i guess if you want to throw philip rivers in the mix because
a lot of people dropped him i'd put rivers ahead of right if rivers counts i would say i'm not with
you on mint but i know you like minthew. I couldn't do Minshew.
And as of now, I can't do Fitzpatrick either.
See, I have this decision to make,
and it just feels like Fitzpatrick, surprisingly enough,
feels a little bit safer because the games where he's had Devontae Parker the last month.
He's been great.
And you know what the game script's going to be.
He's been right there with him.
And I do think the Bengals secondary, despite the numbers,
is certainly beatable as well.
So I just wonder with this, you know, know the saints and this is the recency bias and
this is you know i guess to heath's point about why you look at the season comparatively to recent
success the saints defense was bad the three games prior to last week now is that jacoby brissett
in a primetime game in new orleans you know trailing early bleeping his pants right or is it
uh you know that the saints defense really isn't that good
without two key guys on their defensive line?
But they didn't have Lattimore.
They didn't have Lattimore in two of those games.
It's Lattimore and Jenkins.
And so it makes me nervous about A.J. Brown.
It makes me nervous about Tannehill to a certain extent.
The other thing, Jamie, is that their run defense was really good last week.
But we don't expect it to be as good as
it has been because they've lost two starters on the defensive
line. And we know
Derrick Henry's healthy. I mean, he'll
probably be better than he was last week, which
was good, but not great. So, alright.
So Tannehill's still a top 12 guy. We
talked about him. A.J. Brown,
though, you guys have him ranked very
high. Top 15. heath you have him in
your top eight and again it's it's just the latimore question you know so talk to me about
aj brown i'm just starting him he's been awesome over the last basically month um he's getting a
pretty good share of the targets especially since adam humphries disappeared if cory davis wasn't
there as well i think that they just have to pepper him.
And I don't like,
he's going to need a big play probably,
but he's made a lot of big plays.
It's going to be a fun one.
It's,
it really is,
you know,
cause you have a T Y Hilton got nine targets.
I don't know if they're all in Lattimore,
but it seemed as if Lattimore was with him most of the game and he was
terrible.
Now I don't think you could compare AJ Brown right now to T Y Hilton right
now.
Cause you know,
one guy's healthy,
one guy's not. And you know, T Y Hilton may not be the same guy ever again. I hope he is, but I don't think you could compare A.J. Brown right now to T.Y. Hilton right now because, you know, one guy's healthy, one guy's not.
And, you know, T.Y. Hilton may not be the same guy ever again.
I hope he is, but I don't know.
But A.J. Brown, you know, is he matchup proof?
We're going to find that out.
And a lot of people are going to, you know,
win or lose their fantasy weeks as a result of it.
We all have him, like you said, at a rank relatively high.
But it could be a letdown game for them.
On the other side, I don't think we should mention this.
Adoree Jackson returned to practice on a limited basis.
So not that that's going to impact Michael Thomas.
Yeah, that's going to slow down Michael Thomas.
But it's just another added piece of the second.
For Drew Brees, I mean, just an added piece of the secondary
that could help the Titans.
It's bad news for Ted Ginn.
Well, I mean, look.
Yeah, well.
Michael Thomas doesn't catch multiple touchdowns on a weekly basis.
So somebody could lose a potential score there,
whether it's the Traquan Smith touchdown or a Ted Ginn score or the Taysom Hill touchdown.
Okay, so the Taysom Hill is so annoying.
He's annoying to Jared Cook. All right, so A.J. Brown. Look, if you're
starting A.J. Brown, you're nervous. It's not like there hasn't been any good number one wide receivers
against the Saints this year. There have been plenty. There have been some really bad ones like Mike Evans and DJ
Chark and T.Y. Hilton and Amari Cooper,
but there have been plenty of very good performances as well.
Jonu Smith, let's say Gerald Everett plays.
Would you start Tyler Higby or Jonu Smith?
Wow.
I think I'd go Higby, but they would be close
and they would both be outside of my top 12.
Yeah, I wouldn't probably start either.
You know, the flip side of that is that maybe Higby's played himself
into a pretty good role here.
I hope.
I also was thinking about this one.
It's riskier to trust Higby.
Maybe I'm being a little too harsh by saying he'd be outside of my top 12.
He'd probably still be in there.
When you said Cooper Cup,
I wonder if Everett coming back changes how their formations go
and what they do.
And maybe Cupp's targets go up a little bit
because they use Higby in a different role
and Everett's not as reliable in their minds
as a pass catcher as Higby.
Because Higby was essentially their blocking tight end
when both tight ends were healthy.
And now they have two pass catching tight ends.
So somebody's going to lose playing time.
Could hurt Cupp, could hurt Cooks, could hurt Woods.
It could be a total mess.
Let's take a look at the Raiders and the Chargers.
The stat of the game.
Four straight quarterbacks have scored 21 or more fantasy points
against the Raiders, and they've done it with 27 to 29 pass attempts.
That's Sam Darnold, Mahomes, Tannehill, and Minshew.
Two of those four scored 31 to 32 fantasy points,
but the pass attempts is really what stands out to me
because Rivers not throwing the ball that much
since Melvin Gordon came back,
but you guys have him ranked as a top 12 guy,
so you think in this matchup he can go out
in his second-to-last game of the season
with something of a bang.
His last five games against the Raiders,
he has like 1,400 plus passing yards,
14 touchdowns, I think five interceptions,
three interceptions.
So he's got a good track record here.
The Raiders aren't good.
They've checked out.
Their season's done.
This is most likely the last home game
Rivers will play as a member of the Chargers.
He's a free agent after this season,
so he could either go to some other team
or potentially retire,
which is what's the most likely scenario.
So I think Rivers goes out with a bang.
It's just an easy matchup for him to exploit.
Okay.
Talk to me about the running backs in this game.
So how would you rank the running backs in this game?
I would go Eckler, Gordon, Washington.
And that's regardless of format.
I would do that in PPR. In non-PPR,
I think they go back to Gordon. He's the
best one for me, followed by Eckler, followed
by Washington. I think all three have a chance
to be starters for you. What do you have against
DeAndre Washington?
I just don't think the game script is going to favor him.
If we're talking about a game where Phillip Rivers
goes nuts and the running backs go banana,
we're not going to see DeAndre Washington get as much work as he did against Tennessee.
Remember, the score was lopsided for the Raiders against the Titans, but at halftime it was tied.
And he doesn't average four yards per carry very often.
Granted, he doesn't get a lot of opportunities very often.
Doesn't get a lot of targets very often, just in general.
I can't hang my hat on the workload from the game against Tennessee
and expect it to happen here.
I think he's more of a flex than a starter.
I think that's probably fair.
I do think the workload will be the same, though,
because it's not like he had a 20-carry game.
So I think the role in the passing game seems like they favor him over Jalen Rashard
when he's in the starter's role.
So I think he's going to get in the neighborhood of five catches.
I would guess he's going to be around 14, 15 carries.
So 20 total touches, I think, is well within reach.
And you can have some success, not great success, against his Chargers run defense.
So I think he's better observed as a low-end starter flex,
but I do think there's a chance for him to come through with another solid performance.
For Washington, he's only
owned in less than half of our
league, so if you need someone, he's
newly available, or newly
relevant, which Jacobs declared
out yesterday. He had 14
carries, 53 yards and a touchdown, plus
six catches for 43 yards against the Titans
in Week 14. Of course,
it is a tougher matchup now.
Running backs are averaging 3.56 yards per carry against the Chargers in their last six games.
Now we're not going to start Renfro and we're not going to start Tyrell Williams. Chargers
pass defense is really good. They give up the third fewest points to wide receivers.
We'll talk about the tight ends in a second. but I struggle with Mike Williams because I have Mike Williams
in a league, and I picked up Perryman, and I don't know where to go with this because
I have high expectations for Mike Williams.
Keenan Allen's obviously a must-start, but when you look at the waiver-wire wide receivers
or maybe even the waiver-wire running backs, do you think they're better than Mike Williams?
It's format-specific, but I do think that Perryman and Miller are better, just given
what they've shown us over
a more consistent stretch the last
month, essentially, for both guys.
Three weeks for Perryman, five weeks for Miller.
I would start Mike Boone
over Williams, probably in both
formats, because I don't think he's going to
necessarily have a ton of catches
for Williams, and the targets certainly haven't
been there for him. He's the type of guy, like if you go into your matchup and let's say you were the sixth
seed and you advance and you're, or you wouldn't play the one, but let's say you're the five seed
and you advance and you're playing the one seed and you're just an overwhelming underdog. Mike
Williams is the type of guy that can win it for you. He's a better DFS play than he is in seasonal,
just based on what the confidence factor should be. But there's a lot to like here. The Raiders
are bad against opposing receivers. They're bad against giving up big plays. And so there's So there's a chance for Mike Williams to come through here, but we also could see what
he did against them earlier this season, which was two catcher, 55 yards on three targets.
I buy into how he's been playing. I buy into how they use them, which is as a deep shot type of
guy. Raiders have allowed multiple touchdowns to receiver in each of their last two games.
And look, if Rivers is going to have a big game,
it's possible that Hunter Henry scores, Keenan Allen scores,
Eckler scores, and Mike Williams doesn't.
But I think Mike Williams is showing them something here.
And I'm inclined to take the chance on him in that high upside.
By the way, I should mention that.
I should have mentioned this a few minutes ago.
We had to cut Heath loose.
He had to step offath loose he had to uh
step off and do something but uh so you will not hear him and i wanted to ask him about darren
waller because yesterday he expressed a little bit of reservation about waller with with renfro back
and the numbers you know when renfro was kind of going for had a nice four game stretch right
i think he led the team in receiving and waller wasn't really that good good. So are we looking at other options over Darren Waller this week?
Because Renfro is obviously a big wild card to begin with.
No, I'm not.
If I've already been using Waller as my top tight end, I'm going to keep him going,
particularly if the Raiders are going to trail in this game.
It's not an easy matchup for him at all, but you don't want to talk about target share and reception totals.
He's got it.
Okay.
Jamie, you've got to work on your sigh.
It's a little more, ah, and less, uh.
Ah.
You get there.
Throw a few more in before the show's over.
Hunter Henry or Darren Waller?
Waller.
Hunter Henry or Jared Cook?
Henry.
I have Cook higher as of now.
All right.
And that's it for this game, I believe.
Are we going...
We'd like the Chargers DST?
Sure.
A lot, actually.
Cool.
All right, then.
Let's move on.
Let's go to Baltimore and Cleveland.
Stat of the game.
Yeah, this isn't really much of a stat, but it's this.
In seven games in which Lamar Jackson has thrown three or more touchdowns,
Marquise Brown, like, it hasn't correlated.
Sometimes he's been great.
Sometimes he's been terrible.
There is no knowing when Marquise Brown is going to have a good game.
So my question for you is, in this matchup, Baltimore and Cleveland,
are there any wide receivers that you like?
So there's Landry.
Not like, but be okay with.
I'd be okay with Landry.
That probably ends the be okay with for wide receivers list.
Yeah, what do we expect?
Would I take a chance on Hollywood Brown? Definitely.
If I wanted to start somebody with some
high upside, then yes.
Okay, so Marquise
Brown or Mike Williams?
Williams.
What are we expecting from Landry? Because I think
I mentioned this earlier, but they
are giving up production, and they're giving up production
to slot receivers. Muhammad
Sanu, Debo Samuel, Cole Beasley, Jameson Crowder,
these guys all scored a touchdown since Jimmy
Smith's return to the lineup, and also
Marcus Peters coming over.
Crowder and Sanu had huge
games, and yeah,
they haven't been unbeatable
in terms of wide receivers.
Is Landry
an easy start for you, or
more of a flex?
Easier in PPR than non-PPR.
More of a flex, though, I think, if you can get away with it.
I would start him over Edelman, for example, even PPR,
just given the concern of Edelman's knee.
Okay.
But, you know, go to the waiver.
By the way, Dalvin Cook is kind of acting as if he's going to play.
So we'll have to see what happens.
We'll talk about that game tomorrow.
But, you know, if Mike Boone is the starter, if Madison is the starter, is kind of acting as if he's going to play. So we'll have to see what happens. We'll talk about that game tomorrow.
But, you know, if Mike Boone is the starter,
if Madison is the starter,
how about DeAndre Washington?
Because, you know, we're not as high on him,
but DeAndre Washington or Jarvis Landry?
I'd start Washington.
He's more upside.
I'd start Landry in PPR, Washington in non-PPR.
Okay.
Lamar Jackson is our number one quarterback this week.
Baker Mayfield is our number... I don't even know what he is.
He is not in the top 24.
We're not starting him.
How would you rank the running backs
in this little doozy of a game?
This kerfuffle?
That's what I was...
I was looking for something like that,
and I couldn't get it.
I'm here for you, bud.
Thank you.
Ingram is going to be my favorite.
And I think in non-PPR, I'll take Chubb instead of Hunt.
Hunt would be third.
But I'm starting to lean toward Hunt in full PPR over Chubb
because I think the Browns are going to trail in this game.
We've seen Hunt play very well.
He's had double-digit PPR points every game he's played.
He's been over 14 PPR points, 14 or more, I should say, each of his
past three. And I'm thinking
that he'll get way more catches and
be more productive in that format than Chubb.
I can see it, but I still
will start Chubb over him in both formats,
just because there's going to be more touches for
Chubb. So they're going to try and run the ball,
they're going to try and slow down the Ravens' offense if they can.
And so I think you've seen what
Chubb has been capable of doing.
It's a matter of does he score or does he not score.
But I don't think you can love either guy just given the matchup here.
It's kind of interesting.
This is going to be – Kareem Hunt's played six games,
and he's sort of morphed into this pass-catching back.
This is going to be his toughest challenge yet.
The Ravens give up the third-f fewest receiving yards per game to running backs.
But if you want to talk about consistency, here's
where Kareem Hunt has finished
in PPR in his six games.
He's finished 12th.
Lost in my notes
here. 12th, 24th,
16th, 16th,
15th, and 17th.
So he's been basically
a top 17 five out of six weeks,
and he's been 15 to 17 four weeks in a row.
Very consistent there.
And then we talked about earlier,
like the Ravens run defense has been a little bit leaky lately.
So Chubb, he's all right.
He's all right.
I just don't know if he's going to score.
I just wanted to get all high-pitched on you there.
Do you think he's got a shot at 120 total yards?
That seems a little bold, but I think 100 is realistic.
And that would probably be more of a number two fantasy running back,
a high-end one, but still.
Oh, he's definitely a number two running back this week.
He's not a number one guy.
I'm just making sure we know where we're at.
If we get clarity on the Vikings running back situation and it's one guy, I would start that number two running back this week. He's not a number one guy. I'm just making sure we know where we're at. I would start, if we get clarity on the Vikings running back situation
and it's one guy, I would start that guy over Nick Chubb.
Same.
In non-PPR.
But Nick Chubb over like a James Conner.
I would start Chubb over Conner.
Yes.
I think I would too.
I think so.
How are we feeling about Mark Andrews?
Start him.
I think you continue to start him and you hope he scores a touchdown.
Here are the splits.
First seven games of the season, he averaged five catches for 64 yards on eight targets.
Last seven games, he has averaged three catches for 44 yards, 20 fewer per game, on five targets,
down from eight targets in his first seven to five targets. Lamar Jackson is throwing nine fewer passes per game on five targets, down from eight targets in his first seven to five targets.
Lamar Jackson is throwing nine fewer passes per game.
So it's not that he's playing worse.
He's just not getting the same amount of targets,
but he's still managing to score.
He scored five times in those seven games.
And yeah, it seems like a perfectly fine matchup for him.
Cleveland's middle of the pack against tight ends.
So considering Gerald Everett had practice,
we're going Andrews over Higby?
If Everett plays, yes.
I'm not sure if that's how I feel about it.
Okay.
I wonder if Higby has shown enough in the last few weeks
that he continues to get fed.
He might.
He might, but I think he's been beastly.
Ryan Andrews has been awful.
Carolina at Indianapolis.
And here's your stat of the game.
The Colts, they are struggling.
They have given up 31 or more points in three straight games.
One game in there, they gave up a defensive touchdown.
But how about 11 touchdowns to wide receivers in their last five games?
So the pass defense is falling apart a bit.
And look, we're not going to start Will Greer,
but he is replacing Kyle Allen,
who had thrown for more than 275 yards in five of his last six games.
So I'm not saying he was doing well, but he was at least prolific.
And that helped, obviously, DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel.
So do you feel comfortable with Moore? And then Samuel, I mean, is going to be harder, obviously, DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel. So do you feel comfortable with Moore?
And then Samuel, I mean, is going to be harder, obviously.
But the Carolina wide receivers in this game, your thoughts?
I mean, you're starting DJ Moore at this point.
The quarterback change should give you a little bit of a concern.
But I think just given the matchup, like you said, it's 11 touchdowns in the last five weeks.
It's 75 catches to receivers in the last five weeks, too.
He's going to get his targets.
I think Will Greer will hopefully have at least the same command of the offense, if not better command than what Kyle Allen was doing.
My guesses are going to be chasing points because the Colts should run on them.
I'm still starting DJ Moore without hesitation.
Curtis Samuel is a better DFS play than he is a seasonal guy,
unless you're talking about 14-team league, 16-team leagues,
because hopefully you have better options in Week 16 in getting to this point.
But if he's gotten to this point, I wouldn't be afraid of him.
He scored two of his last three.
You just mentioned the touchdowns that they give up.
Will Greer will probably take some more shots down the field than Kyle Allen did,
which is why I liked him coming into the season because of Cam Newton
and what the downfield ability would be for Curtis Samuel. So I don't mind him as a
number three receiver. Remember that Kyle Allen had a hard time connecting with Curtis Samuel
on deep throws. We don't know exactly where Will Greer is going to come in on that, whether or not
they'll be able to connect instantly or it'll take a while. But Greer was a master of the air raid offense at West Virginia,
and he's way more of a gunslinger than a caretaker.
And I'm kind of excited to see Greer play.
He might have a couple of turnovers,
but he also might make some really good throws.
I would not be discouraged from using either Panthers pass catcher this week.
Yeah, I don't know.
Curtis Samuel in your final?
Sorry, let me just make this
point. I understand Samuel's a
downfield threat, but actually the reason
why he's been productive is touchdowns.
His yards have been terrible. He has
one more red zone target than DJ
Moore, but he has six more targets inside the
10-yard line than DJ Moore. That's all
pretty much with Kyle Allen.
I don't know if we can
bank on that.
And if he doesn't score the touchdowns, we're talking about a guy who's had 35 or fewer yards in five of his last
six games.
Yeah.
That's why it's risky.
That's why it's better DFS than seasonal.
Right.
But you look at the matchup against Indianapolis and all those
touchdowns that they allow their secondary is beat up.
They're not playing well.
And you don't have a noodle arm quarterback here.
Yeah,
that's,
that's true.
So do you like any of the tight ends in this game?
This is a pretty good matchup for Greg Olson,
and he's been mostly good in good matchups.
They give up the eighth most fantasy points to tight ends,
and then, of course, Jack Doyle's been a huge letdown two straight weeks.
Would you go with either of these guys?
No.
Olson's only scored in one game this year, right?
Yeah, Arizona, I think, right?
Of course. No, I would not feel comfortable with these guys? No. Olsen's only scored in one game this year, right? Yeah, Arizona, I think, right? Of course.
No, I would not feel comfortable with these guys.
Okay. He had 110 yards against
Tampa Bay. He had 98 yards against Green Bay.
But yeah, it's hard to
trust it.
Tight end's so deep. Everybody's got a tight end these days.
So OJ Howard over Greg Olsen and Jack
DeLay. For sure. Hollister too.
You know, it's funny.
Christian McCaffrey is the best,
but this team,
like they've done really well against running backs.
Their last 12 games,
two running backs have had more than 13 PPR points.
Jalen Samuels and Derek Henry.
So if I'm playing against Christian McCaffrey,
like I'm not dreading it as much as I normally would.
Yeah, you are.
Yeah, a little bit.
A little bit.
I have him in two finals, and I'm playing against him in one.
Who's the one player you just don't want to be playing against?
Is it McCaffrey?
It's Lamar Jackson.
Lamar would probably be at the top of the list.
I don't know.
He's not in primetime.
I am playing against Lamar Jackson.
And I think it's Deshaun Watson for me.
That's the guy I was like, oh, God.
Yeah, he could go off too.
I just think this is one of the losses for the Ravens,
and it's a division opponent.
I think they're going to exact some revenge.
Yeah, obviously, I expect Jackson to probably score more points than Watson,
but I think he's going to be more like 30 rather than 45 this week,
so I can deal with that.
I was thinking, if I told you 30 fantasy points for Lamar Jackson,
you're playing against him.
Would you take that, or would you just let it play out?
I'm playing against him, and you're telling me he's getting 30?
He's going to score 30.
Would you be like, okay, I'll take it, or would you let the game play out?
Yeah, I'll take it.
Me too.
He averages a little bit more than that. I, anything else in this game? I wish he scored
30 last week. I would have won one of my matchups.
Me too. I would have beat Heath.
Oh, yes.
Jacoby Brissett, sit him.
Marlon Mack.
Yeah, we love him.
Marlon Mack or DJ Moore?
Mack, regardless of format. I'll take Moore and PPR. Okay. Yeah, we love him. Marlon Mack or DJ Moore? Mack, regardless of format.
I'll take Moore and PPR.
Okay.
Yeah, Mack's going to have a great game.
And T.Y. Hilton, start or sit?
Sit if you can.
Try and sit him.
Curtis Samuel or T.Y. Hilton?
Samuel.
I think I'd go with Samuel.
They almost feel the same because we haven't seen T.Y. Hilton have a huge game
or very many huge games yardage-wise.
No, not at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So that's that game.
We're moving on.
Pittsburgh and the Jets.
Stat of the game.
So I kept confusing Jarvis Landry and Jamison Crowder
because they both have these seemingly tough matchups, but a
statistic that gives you some hope.
Baltimore, like I mentioned, they've given up some points
lately to inside receivers. How about this? A wide
receiver has scored 13 or more fantasy
points in PPR in seven
straight games against the Steelers.
13 is not great, but
it's not like they're shutting guys
out, is my point.
I don't know if it's Crowder, I don't know if it's Anderson,
but is there any wide receiver in this game,
including Juju Smith-Schuster, if he plays, that you want to start?
Not that I want to start, but in three receiver leagues,
I think you look at Crowder, potentially Anderson, James Washington.
Those three guys are within the conversation
or are in the conversation for sure.
You know, just based on Washington's numbers
have been pretty consistent lately.
And Crowder, what you saw last week.
I think the thing that matters a lot for the Jets receivers
is Demaryius Thomas playing or not playing.
Because if he's out, along with Ryan Griffin being out,
then their targets go up.
And it's the targets for Crowder more so than for Anderson.
At least last week was a short area target.
Last week was the first game without both those guys.
And look what happened.
Yeah.
So let's say I have a marginal running back.
I've got a carry on Johnson.
I've got a Phillip Lindsey.
I've got an Adrian Peterson or something like that.
Would you turn to any of these wide receivers over those guys?
I mean, yeah, PPR.
I think Peterson's better in non-PPR.
I think Lindsey's better than them both.
Carrion's obviously a little different because we don't know if he's going to play yet,
but if he's out there, you can certainly
start those receivers over. I'd be tempted
to start Washington
ahead of AP in non-PPR, but I don't
think I could do it.
But Washington's one of my favorite flexes this week.
Really?
Yeah.
How come?
Because of the consistency and because I just don't think the Jets' defense is very good.
Yeah, it's so strange.
It's like the Jets had this three or four game stretch
where they were basically the worst defense in the world,
and they haven't, you know, they've sort of rebounded from that.
I'll throw out the Ravens game.
But, yeah, and Washington isn't really getting enough credit
for how good he's been lately.
It's 83 or more yards in three of his last four games
and four of his last six games
and three touchdowns in those six games.
So you like him, okay.
Would you start Washington over one of the running backs in this game?
No.
You could tempt me into starting him over Le'Veon in non-PPR.
What do you do with the running backs in this game?
I hate Conor.
I don't hate them.
I hate...
I'm stressing over Conor Imbell.
I don't like that Conor played 58% of the snaps last week,
and I think he's got to score. I don't think the chances... Don't like that he played 58% of the snaps last week, and I think he's got to score.
I don't think the chances are going to be 100%.
Don't like that he played that in his first game back
when they said he was going to split carries?
Yeah.
I think he's going to be...
You think it's going to change?
Oh, 70-plus percent this week.
Especially after they lost?
They just go right back to him and let him run crazy.
100%.
I hope you're right.
I'm going to start him on the hope that he can do that
because I think there's some pretty good upside.
Well, here's the thing.
They threw way too much last week.
It was a big mistake and may have cost them the game.
So you'd think they'd want to establish the run.
Problem is, they're playing the Jets.
It's hard to establish the run against the Jets.
And let's be fair, he hasn't been a very good running back this year.
If that's his fault, I don't know.
But he hasn't been a very efficient running back this year. That's his fault. I don't know, but he hasn't been a very efficient running back this year, except for
the Dolphins game, basically.
I think both
Connor and Bell are going to get touches.
You want that. Are they going to get
production? What do you do?
I think Connor will.
I don't think Bell will.
Connor's more of a number two running
back than Le'Veon. Le'Veon, PPR,
low-end number two running back, high-end flex, non-PPR, just a flex.
Yeah, I'm starting Connor over Bill in both formats.
Same.
There have been six running backs with 15 or more carries against the Jets.
Five of them scored 12 or more non-PPR fantasy points.
The other was Patrick Laird.
He did not do it.
That's a good number.
However, James Connor doesn't usually get 15
carries. So
it's hard to bank on that.
Jamie, I hope you're right. I hope they give him
70% of the work and they let him
run wild and he delivers
one of his best games of the year.
But I think the more reasonable
expectation is he plays about the same amount
last week. He scores
and he gets 50 yards with it.
I like the
over on 50 yards.
The thing is, they just
didn't run the ball that much last week.
If they're going to change
their game plan, he's going to have to
get more than 50 yards.
They're going to go back to what's been working for him, which is
getting playoff contention. He's going to lean on Connor, try and limit
the throwing, hope their defense wins the game.
Alright, we're sitting the quarterbacks,
sitting the tight ends, and
we like the Steelers' DST quite
a bit.
So, yeah, alright. I think we're done with that
game. I'm finished with this guy.
Buffalo at New England.
Anybody get that reference?
Yeah, but I don't remember the movie.
Oh, yes, I do. It's my cousin Vinny.
Oh, yes, I do.
It was my cousin Vinny.
Yeah.
I'm finished with this guy.
Yeah.
You guys watch The Irishman yet or what?
No.
That's good.
Some of us have to work during football season.
Yeah, I watch it on three separate Friday nights in installments.
All right.
Maybe tonight with no football.
The Patriots won the first meeting 16-10.
It was a craptastic
fantasy game.
Who is your favorite starter in this game?
Your favorite player to start in this game?
Can I get Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas?
I'll take Tom Brady.
Can you get vintage Tom Brady?
No, none of that.
But no, who is it?
Singletary?
I think Singletary is probably the safest
because I think even with the tough matchup,
he can get close to 100 total yards,
could catch four passes.
If you told me Julian Edelman was healthy,
I'd still start him,
but the fact that he's not healthy
and probably will not be.
Yeah, you're kind of anti-Edelman.
I don't think he's healthy.
I mean, last week he was you know
gimping around the field you've watched any of the videos from practice this week he doesn't
look like he's right and you know the bills did a good job against him last time when he was healthy
so it's it's hard to bench him um but it's also hard to say must start just given what he looked
like last week so like i i one final. I'm in two finals
with Edelman. One, I'm stuck starting him because of the three-receiver
league. The other, it's the dynasty
league we share at him.
If you tell me Mike Boone is
starting, I'm going to play him as one of my flexes
in Ben Edelman.
I'm on board with that.
It's more about how you line him up versus
the Jarvis Landry, Sterling
Shepherds, Jameson Crowders of the world. Do you go that far with him? I'm not there yet with those guys. how you line them up versus the Jarvis Landry, Sterling Shepard's,
Jameson Crowder's of the world.
Do you go that far with him?
I'm not there yet with those guys.
Landry I would just because Landry's been pretty consistent.
But Shepard, no.
Crowder, no.
Not yet.
It's also worth pointing out that Edelman was healthy the first time these two teams played, and he had a really bad game.
He had one of his worst games.
Yep.
Cole Beasley had the best game.
He led all receivers.
He had 75 yards. New England's slot corner is games. Cole Beasley had the best game. He led all receivers. He had 75 yards.
New England's slot corner is out.
Does that interest you at all?
No. They have
enough corners where they can
take care of everybody in the Bills passing game.
All right, but he is like the best slot corner
in football. He's one of them.
Sure.
I want to stay on Singletary a little
bit more. I know we're going to get a ton of Singletary questions.
Here's what he's done.
He has 79 or more total yards in five straight games.
Okay, so that's an eight-point floor.
He has three games in that stretch with more than 100 total yards.
He's one of the best in yards per carry in the NFL.
He's really coming on.
I talked about it earlier, though.
One rushing touchdown to a running back
all season long allowed by the Patriots.
And touchdowns aren't exactly
Devin Singletary's forte
because of stinking Frank Gore and stinking
Josh Allen.
I don't know. Give me a rough
stat line. You're going to make a projection
for Devin Singletary.
90 total yards.
Three, four catches?
Yep.
Flex-worthy.
Singletary versus Conner.
Who do you take?
I'll take Conner. I'll take Conner both.
James White or John Brown?
I'll take James White.
I think I'll take White, but it's really close. I'll take Brown White I think I'll take White
but it's really close
I'll take Brown and not Beeper
James White or Will Fuller
I'll take Fuller in both
James White or Mike Williams
Mikey
I'll take White and Beeper
alright
finished with this guy
moving on to start both DSTs.
Cincinnati and Miami.
We got two games left, baby.
Joe Mixon is top five.
Yes, yes, yes.
Everybody start Joe Mixon.
He's going to come through for you.
What a nice finish to the season he's really had.
We had a fun conversation about Joe Mixon's value for next season.
And he said he would not take him as a top 20 overall pick.
I think he's one of the most difficult.
I can't wait to draft with Heath.
I think he's one of the most difficult players.
Well, Heath's point is that he doesn't see the situation getting dramatically better
if they draft Joe Burrow and they go through the slow process
of getting a rookie quarterback up to speed.
I mean, I can certainly see that,
but I don't know if it's going to be that much worse than what it is now.
And Jonah Williams being back,
and hopefully another addition or two to the offensive line.
I told Heath, I'm like, you took the easy way out because you said top 20.
If you said top 24, it's a little bit different
because I doubt he's going to get past the second round.
But as I said to Heath, and I'm sure he would agree,
he drafts wide receivers ahead of those second group of running backs.
So they'll take the top four or five guys running back,
and then he goes pretty much all receiver heavy.
I don't see Mixon being a first-round pick.
But I think once you get into round two,
it's going to be fair game on him from people who want to stockpile running backs.
And I do think the offense will be better next year.
They'll have a chance to improve their O-line.
I think Burrow's an upgrade.
I mean, Mixon was putting up numbers with Ryan Finley,
a quarterback. And they may franchise AJ Green.
Uh-huh.
You know, I
had always mentioned that Baker Mayfield had
some of the toughest matchups.
When I looked at Joe Mixon and how he
had done in good matchups this year, it was
hard to find him. He's had a lot of
tough matchups. So maybe it's just the NFC North, because Beckham's had brutal matchups. Or. It was hard to find him. He's had a lot of tough matchups. Maybe it's just the
NFC North because Beckham's had brutal matchups.
Or the AFC North, pardon me.
Maybe they just had a really tough schedule this year.
I think
that's something that worked against Joe
Mixon. He's going to end up as a pretty good running back though.
Forget it. Obviously, you're starting him.
Now, Dalton or Fitzpatrick, who do you like?
Fitzpatrick.
Would you start both of them over Aaron Rodgers?
Yes.
How would you rank?
I can't believe I'm saying that.
I can.
How would you rank them with Kirk Cousins?
I'd rank them both out of Kirk Cousins, too.
Yep.
How would you rank them with Philip Rivers?
Behind.
Behind.
Behind.
Rivers, Beard, Red Rifle.
Yep.
Okay.
So Tyler,
I would have a hard time seeing Tyler Boyd
or Devontae Parker not being in
lineups, especially Parker.
These guys should be very good starts.
But, you know,
I guess in non-PPR, you could
make the case there's some running backs or whatever that you're going ahead of Boyd, right?
Yep.
I do think Boyd does have potential for 80 and a touchdown.
Six catches, too.
All right, what the heck with Patrick Laird?
He was in enough lineups last week where I think he's worth talking about
because what I noticed was they had a safety in the game at the Giants last week. He think he's worth talking about. What I noticed was they had
a safety in the game at the Giants last week.
He got tackled in the end zone.
I watched the replay this morning.
Was it his fault? I don't know. He tried to bounce
it outside. I think he was pretty screwed right from
the get-go. After Laird
got tackled for a safety in the third quarter,
Myles Gaskin had
eight touches. Five carries,
three catches, and Laird had three carries.
So eight to three in terms of touches.
So how are you looking at the Dolphins running backs in this juicy matchup?
I think you want to avoid them at all costs.
Okay.
I'm not going to feel comfortable starting Laird after last week.
I watched Gaskin play last week.
He's not very impressive.
And this is a team that throws the ball over 30 times a game.
So I just have a hard time with them.
Yeah, I think, you know, Adam, you gave the stat, the 15 or more carries, it's worth noting.
And so hopefully he gets that type of work.
He's better in PPR compared to non-PPR.
So I think he's a flex.
You know, I don't think he's a must-start guy.
You're not going to start him over DeAndre Washington
or the Vikings guys or anybody that you've been starting
for a majority of the way.
As much as I would downgrade Gurley and Le'Veon this week,
I'm not starting him over them.
So there's some reason to like Patrick Laird,
but nothing that's a guarantee that he's going to produce
at a high level.
All right.
Now the updated stat is
16 straight running backs with 15
or more carries against the Bengals
have had either 89 yards
or a touchdown.
Yeah, there's something I don't have in front of me,
but it's the running backs this year with
some similar number. It's
100 total yards or touchdown because that's what Michelle got
last week. Yeah, I was just looking
at rushing yards, but Michelle is ruining the
stat because he had the worst game of all the
running backs with 15 or worse.
Sure, but he's been ruining
fantasy line. If you're stuck,
I start late over Michelle. If you're stuck
this week,
there's a good chance that Laird
gets 100 total yards. Where's Gacicki
for you?
Gacicki?
He's behind Hollister and Howard
in terms of the guys that pick up,
but I think he could be
a streamable tight end.
A hot nine PPR points for your squad.
I take the over.
Do your kids think you're very funny, Dave?
No, they think I'm totally irritating.
Really?
I make the worst...
My daughter puts up with it. My son,
who's 15 and hates everything that I do,
definitely thinks I'm...
He rolls his eyes at me
all the time. That's awesome.
That's kind of what dads are supposed to do,
eye-rolling stuff. All right, Detroit, look at me.
Dad for 16 months, telling you everything
you need to know. Yep, you're a pro.
Detroit at Denver.
Detroit at Denver. Detroit at Denver.
So, yeah.
What a game.
What do we think?
We talked about Lindsey on yesterday's show.
How do you feel about Lindsey and Kerryon Johnson, assuming Johnson plays?
I mean, you're starting Lindsey at this point.
It's a good matchup for him against the Lions at home.
Kerryon, I think, would be a flex.
We still haven't heard anything definitive about if he's going to play or not, so just
take that into account if you're making
your plans.
What I mean by that is, if you're in a 10-team league
and you see Boone, Madison,
Washington, you're picking
those guys up over Carrion Johnson like we told you to
on Tuesday, but for sure now, knowing
that there's a chance of the starters being out for their respective
teams.
The one hand, he's got fresh legs. It's a matchup that's good out for their respective teams. The one hand has got fresh legs.
It's a matchup that's good.
That's not great.
They've been very successful leaning on their running backs to various degrees.
Scarborough had a touchdown the first game against the Cowboys,
had a 90-yard game the next week, an 80-yard game the next week.
So they've given work to one guy and Hill scored two
touchdowns last week. But it's
just a matter of how fresh will he be.
We said this earlier in the week, what
a disappointment he was to start the season.
Does this matter to you, by the way, with Phillip
Lindsay? The running backs are averaging
3.38 yards per carry
against the Lions in their last eight games.
Their running
is actually very good. I still think he's going to get good volume.
Yeah, I would start Boone over him in non-PPR,
but I'd start him over Boone and Washington in PPR.
What about Brashad Perryman?
I would start...
I think I might go Lindsey in non-PPR.
I will go Lindsey in non-PPR over Perryman.
It's close in full PPR, because I don't think he's going to catch many passes. This comes down to, I think, what you need.PPR. I will go Lindsey in non-PPR over Perriman. It's close in full PPR
because I don't think he's going to catch many passes.
This comes down to, I think, what you need.
Well, he probably will catch passes.
He just doesn't do anything with it.
Like two.
He might get two catches.
This comes down to, I think, a floor versus ceiling.
The floor is safer for Lindsey by far.
The ceiling is much higher for Perriman.
Yeah, yeah, that's probably right.
The Lions, they do give up a lot of touchdowns,
but they've been solid against the run.
They are a little beat up, though, at linebacker,
so keep that in mind.
Corlin Sutton we talked about.
He's top 20 for Dave and Jamie and top 12 for Dave,
and Heath doesn't like him quite as much,
has him as a number two, number three wide receiver.
But Kenny Galladay and Danny Amendola,
we've talked about Mike Williams,
and we've talked about Jarvis Landry and Jamison Crowder
and all that.
Where does Galladay fit in? He's ahead of them for me.
Give me names again. Mike Williams,
Jamison Crowder, Jarvis Landry. He's ahead of them.
The Broncos' past defense has started to struggle against
big-time receivers. We saw that when they went up against
Houston. You saw DeAndre Hopkins eventually have a big game.
Last week, you saw them give up a bunch of big plays to Tyreek Hill.
Chargers, the week before that.
They've allowed at least one touchdown to a receiver in six straight games,
eight touchdowns total.
I think Galladay's the most likely receiver to score for the Lions.
I think we're done here.
No Amendola? Yeah here. No Amendola?
Yeah.
Where's Amendola?
He's a low-end starter for me in PPR
and flex at best in non-PPR.
So you've got him in your top 24 in PPR?
Just at 24.
Okay.
He makes me nervous.
I know that last week was a huge game for him.
He's had big games and then let us down before.
But this is the first time.
Eight targets, three straight games.
First time without Marvin Jones was last week
and he had over 100 yards receiving and
13 targets. I think it's going to be a situation
where they hang tough. They
trail in the fourth quarter. Blau
is throwing. He's getting the ball out quick. This is
why he's been leaning on him more so than
Kenny Galladay in that three-game
stretch. He's got 29 targets.
Galladay has 20.
So it's pretty clear that he's trying to get the ball to the guy that he sees first.
And so I think this is a floor of like a 5 for 60 type of game for him
if those targets stay the same.
And the ceiling could be 20 PPR points.
The ceiling could be the same thing he had last week with the chance score.
I believe he fell down at the one-yard line on one of the Hills touchdowns.
I don't have it, but it's possible.
Hills had two.
No, there was a question of did he score.
There was one of those.
They had to review it, and then Hills scored the next time.
Do you worry about Amendola if Carrion plays?
No.
Because I wonder if Carrion gives him that run.
Because McKissick could be out.
That's true, but Carrion can pick it up in the passing game.
Yeah, but that's just what McKissick was doing.
All right, we'll come back tomorrow.
We got the NFC home games.
Thanks for your patience today.
I know the show came out a little bit late.
I apologize about that.
It's your fault.
Check out the DFS episode later tonight.
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