Fantasy Football Today - 2025 NFL Draft Preview: Top Rookies, Sleepers, and Bold Predictions! (03/07 Fantasy Football Dynasty Podcast)

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Dave Kluge and Alfredo Brown from Footballguys join Heath Cummings to break down the top 5 rookies at each position in this year's draft. They dive deep into evaluating (3:50) rookies and discuss if there are any players you'd rather have than (5:50) Malik Nabers. Tune in as they explore the top 5 quarterbacks (10:40), running backs (18:00), wide receivers (26:40), and tight ends (36:10) to keep an eye on. The guys also highlight some sleeper picks (42:40) and answer chat (45:38) questions from viewers. If you're looking for expert analysis and draft insights, this episode has you covered! Don't miss out on the full breakdown, including player rankings and sleeper selections. Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Survivor 48 is here and alongside it we're bringing you a brand new season of On Fire, the only official Survivor podcast. If you're a Survivor super fan, you won't want to miss this deep dive into every episode where we break down how we designed the game, the biggest moves, your burning questions. It's the only podcast that gives you inside access to Survivor that nobody else can. Listen to On Fire, the official Survivor podcast with me, Jeff Kropst, every Wednesday after the show, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today Dynasty.

I am your host, Heath Cummings. Joined today by a couple of my good friends, Alfredo Brown, Dave Flugkamp. Guys, thank you so much for being here today. It is the most wonderful time of the year for Dynasty Fantasy Football Managers. Next week we get free agency. We just had the combine. The draft is on the way. Thanks for being here. Alfredo, I want to start with you because one of the reasons I wanted to have you guys on was that you guys released the football

guys rookie draft guide. I have, uh, I've really been enjoying going through it. It is robust. There are names in there. You're not going to, you guys go deep. I wanted to give you guys right, right at the top, Alfredo, you can just give us a little pitch on the football guys draft guide. Yeah.

The football guys draft guide is awesome. I mean, we've gone well over 140 prospects in this. We're adding more and more prospects as players that maybe not everyone has heard of. We're invited to the combine and we're adding their relative athletic scores. We're adding all of their stats. We're getting pretty good sized scouting reports

in there as well. And then we have a lot of these cool badges that kind of give you an indicator of what these players are really good at what they might struggle at their player comps, their draft round projections, all kinds of stuff. And then we take that a step further and just tie it to fantasy football and give you the rankings for that as well. And it's one of the few draft guides, it's not just one person, it's a collective group

of all of us. So you get a whole bunch of different opinions on that, like honestly, Dave and I disagree on a lot of things, but that's what makes this guide awesome as we get to a consensus in it. So it's a lot of fun. You can check it out, footballguys.com slash rookie guide, and we'll have version two releasing sometime later next week. That was a nice promo Dave. I'll give you a chance at the end of the show to top that. But now by the way, you say next week, Alfredo Wednesday, we're locking. I didn't know version two will be out Wednesday morning. That's just like me to ruin it on the last play of the game. Yep.

Speaking of running things, Dave's bears just stole Joe Tooney and now they're probably going to go draft Ashton Gentile. Dave, I just, just, you know, I want to start things off on a good note with you. How excited are you about Caleb Williams in 2025? No, I don't sip the off season excitement anymore. He, you know, I've been a Bears fan for a long time. And I know this is always the best time to be a Bears fan is like February and March. We always get the exciting signings and the big free agents and the top coaches. But no,

I am at the point now where I need to see it on a field during the regular season before I start sipping any sort of gulid. Well, I just don't think there's any chance at all that when an organization like the Chiefs trades away a 32 year old guard, you should have any concern at all about that guy. I'm sure he's perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with him at all.

I'm actually more excited about Jonah Jackson. That's a guy who I think was just got a tough go last year, you know, with the injuries and being forced to play center. But you look at what Jonah Jackson did when he was in Detroit with Ben Johnson, they're pulling him off the line, using him as a lead blocker. I think that's the guy. And you know, four years younger as well, the Bears fans should be even a little bit more excited about.

There we go. There's a, there's a little bit of a Bears optimism. Bear down. Um, so on today's show, we will be talking rookies, rookies, and more rookies. We're going to do the top five rookies at each position. And then we'll also later in the show, talk about some of our favorite sleepers in the class. But we always start with three questions for our guests. I want you guys both to answer these. I'll let Dave go first on the first one. We'll try to keep the answers pretty short and sweet.

So what is your elevator pitch for how you evaluate rookies and then Alfredo, you can just follow. I start with the analytics and then that kind of tells me who I should be looking out for. It's really easy to kind of look through the rushing leaders and the receiving leaders and say, these are the guys that I want to look at. And then I go to the film. I'll be honest, I know a lot of people are going to scoff at this. The first thing I do is look at highlights

because I want to see how a player does what he does best. After that, then I'll go through with the film and try to find the works in the game and the things that they can improve on. But for me, I don't try to get too bogged down to take this point in the off season. I think the draft is really kind of my guiding beacon

more than anything else. We know the draft capital is the strongest correlation to career production. So this is the time of year where I wanna learn about the strengths and weaknesses of all the players, think about the ideal landing spots, but I do tend to bend my rankings quite a bit post draft. Yeah, I'm very similar to Dave

except just a different order of operations. I'm going to watch the film first because I want to go into into it with no preconceived notions of who this player is and then just kind of stick on to all the stats said this and now the film says that I'm just gonna look at the film first, watch that see how I feel about it, then I'm going to go back to the analytics, take a look at that and say, okay, well, this guy didn't seem like he was breaking a lot of tackles. But there's so many missed tackles force and there's a lot of yards after a catch on this, you know, Okay, well, this guy didn't seem like he was breaking a lot of tackles. But there's so many missed tackles

force. And there's a lot of yards after a catch on this, you know, this, there's a lot of big plays, it's gonna make me go back. And the same thing with the combine combine makes you go back to more film. And I think the big thing too, is that with each position, you can't simply look at the same thing over and over with tight ends, you want to look more at athleticism, can they run after the catch? What's the speed like? Do that? Can they line up in the slot? Where can they go

running backs? I'm big on vision and lateral agility wide receivers for me spatial awareness is huge. If you don't know where you need to be on the chessboard, you're probably not that great of a wide receiver. So there's different little factors that I'm looking for throughout each of those. Sometimes the chat has better questions than I do. And so question number two, we'll start with Alfredo. And I'm going to bend the question a little bit because Ryan asks, could you please name some of the best players

worth trading away for Malik neighbors? And so I think like one way you could do this is just say, like, who are the players like directly behind Malik neighbors in your dynasty rankings? And you can answer it that way if you want Alfredo, but I also will add an addendum to this question. Is there, are there any rookies in this class that you would rather have than Malik neighbors? Ooh, that's a good question. And I think, no, I think now as much as I like this class, even at the running

back position or tight end position, I just, I just don't think we're finding a guy like Malik neighbors who's having that incredible rookie season in the absolute worst of circumstances. So no, if I have Malik neighbors in dynasty, I'm holding on to him because this rocket ship is about to take off. Like that's, that's where I'm at with him. And since I just sprung this question on you guys, I'm going to do the follow up. So Dave doesn't have to do the, like the, the dynasty guys, but just looking at my rankings for, and you can tell me Dave, if this sounds about right, Malik neighbors is my number three player

in a one quarterback league. Um, I would, and Jamar chase and Justin Jefferson ahead of him. Exactly. So like the, the guys right behind him for me are Pukka Nakua, CD Lamb, Bijan Robinson, Brock Bowers. I think it's more interesting in a super flex league because like, yeah, there's, there's some quarterbacks I would rather have for him, but he's still a top 10 player. Does that sound about right, Dave? Yeah. I think once you start looking at quarterbacks, I mean, maybe like if you want to give up on a Jaylen Hertz, maybe, you know, that's kind of where I draw the line from Malik neighbors, but Malik neighbors, I mean, of where I draw the line for Malik neighbors, but Malik neighbors, I mean,

you talk about players you'd prefer in this class, there's nobody I'd prefer because Malik neighbors already checked that box. Like he was not only a good prospect, but now we know he's also a good NFL player. And to trade Malik neighbors for anybody in this class, you're hoping that you can strike gold again, which you already did with Malik neighbors.

So yeah, players that trade straight up for Malik neighbors, I don't know if there's a huge list there. Like you said, you know, just a top three player right now in dynasty. So it kind of relates to what my second question was going to be for you guys. And I'll let you go first again, Dave, but this class doesn't have a wide receiver at the top of it. Like we're, I assume we're all going to be in agreement that Ashton Gentry is the top position player. And a lot of us would say that Ashton Gentry is the top player even in Superflex, which is a little bit strange. But I wonder when you look at the running backs in that class, this class Dave, and it might be a long list. How many of them would have been

the 101 intern or the number one running back in last year's class? That's a tough question because Jonathan Brooks, you know, coming off the ACL, I think a healthy Jonathan Brooks probably would have slotted in as a top three, maybe a top four back in this class, but coming off of the ACL that he had going into his rookie season, I think you can make a reasonable argument that there are seven running backs that would have been ahead of Jonathan Brooks last year. I think the better answer is probably five. I am a very big Kam Skatabo and RJ Harvey fan, so I'm going to have them ahead of Jonathan Brooks because of the injury. But I think, however you look at it, I think at best he'd probably be the RB4 or RB5 in this class. Dave, I love you. You're too quick to forget.

Jonathan Brooks was an awesome prospect coming out last year. The fact that he was almost round one with the knee injury, still such a good prospect. I would say it's about three players, Jinty, Omarion, Hampton. And I think Trevion Henderson has about the same, a similar skillset and the same injury concerns as Jonathan Brooks.

So I think it would have evened out about there, but Brooks is a prospect. I think it was still had ahead of Quinn Sean, Judkins, Caleb Johnson, some of those guys. So yeah, I think he just floats around that running back three to four range. And I think it was the kind of clear RB one before he decided to go back to Ohio State last year. I think a lot of people already had him.

I had a Jonathan Brooks and then he just came out and had another great 2024 season. So I think Trevion Henderson is for sure ahead of Brooks Brooks and then he just came out and had another great 2024 season. So I think Trevion Henderson is for sure ahead of Brooks, but you know, this is just, it's a deep class. And of course we love these guys now, but if Scadaboo and RJ Harvey fall to day three, it'll be a very different discussion. There might be 10 backs that would have been RB3 in this class.

It is a fantastic running back class. It is a fantastic running back class. Let's take our first break and then we will jump into the top five at each position. Survivor 48 is here and alongside it, we're bringing you a brand new season of On 5, the only official Survivor podcast. If you're a Survivor super fan, you won't want to miss this deep dive into every episode where we break down how we designed the game, the biggest moves, your burning questions. It's the only podcast that gives you inside access to survivor that nobody else can. Listen to on fire, the official survivor podcast with me, Jeff Kropst every Wednesday after the show, wherever you get your podcasts.

And we're back. So looking at this, what the way we're kind of going to go through it is I will ask Alfredo or Dave for his top five. We can talk about where we disagree and we'll start with the quarterback position. Alfredo, I'm not sure if there are five quarterbacks that you feel are worthy of being ranked in this class, but let's hear your top five quarterbacks in the 2025 class. Yeah, I'm not in the 2025 class. Yeah, I'm not in love with them. Cam Ward is number one for me. I think just the physical tools are off the charts for him. And he has the most potential out of this class. And I think he's the

guy that can take a bad team and make it better. Same way we've seen for a bunch of like Josh Allen types over the years. Shider Sanders is kind of the de facto number two, but his draft values all over the board from like all the way at number two to end of the first round. Out of the first round, there's rumors that he's not a first round quarterback. At number three, I have a surprising guy. I have Tyler Shug out of Louisville at my quarterback three. He's another one of these guys that I think is just very toolsy. He's big. He's got the strong arm, more mobility than expected.

And he's a longtime starter. It's not quite the bugaboo that it used to be after Bo Nix showed everybody that being in school for a long time isn't necessarily a bad thing anymore. At four, I've got Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss. And then at five, I've got Will Howard. Okay, so that is, I assume Dave, going to be an area where we have some disagreement

after the top two, because most people's top two, I see Jackson Dart creep into the top two every once in a while, but where, what would your top five be Dave? Uh, Cam Ward and Sridhar Sanders at one and two, I think that going anything outside of there is probably getting a little too cute with it. It seems like Cam Ward is pretty much locked in for a top three pick. If Tennessee doesn't take him, somebody might trade up to take him. But Alfredo talked about it, Sridhar Sanders, his draft projection

right now is all over the place. We thought this guy was a potential number one overall pick, then they were talking about him, you know, falling behind Cam Ward. Now we're seeing some mocks where he falls into round two, but I'm still gonna bet on Sanders as the number two. For me, I've got Dart at number three. Quinn Uers is the guy that seems to be forgotten in this class often, and I'm still holding him down at RB4. And Tyler Sho, Tyler Shuck, Tyler Sho, I've heard it. Shug. Shug, I've heard it said quite a few different ways. I've got him at QB5 and like Alfredo said,

I think the age was the big thing that scared so many people away but after seeing Pennix do well last year and Bo Nicks do well, I think people are gonna start finally healing from the, who was it that the Browns drafted at a 28, 29 years old a few years ago. And since then we've been terrified. Yes.

Brandon, we've been terrified of drafting older quarterbacks since, but I think that we're going to see this Renaissance now, especially when we get these extra years of eligibility because of COVID and things like that, I think that, uh, Tyler Shug will fall in at QB five. So yeah. Yeah. What I'm just going to kind of the name that you didn't put in that top five Dave that Adam Azer has been talking quite a bit, which is probably good for you because Azer has been talking about him quite a bit, but no, sorry, Adam. I love you.

You know that I'm not supposed to make Adam jokes when he's not here. I make lots of Adam jokes when he is here. I make Adam jokes when he's not here. I make lots of Adam jokes when he is here. Um, uh, Jalen Milrow because of the potential upside, I think a lot of people might move him into this range or at least have him in this conversation. Do you think that he's just too far away from being an NFL passer to be drafted high enough to be ranked as a top five quarterback? Yeah, I think that's it.

You know, we, we fall in love with these guys, the guys with the mobility and the big arms and they really fill up the highlight reel, but it's very rare that we see these guys translate to NFL success. Now I think that there are some really interesting possible landing spots for him. Um, talked about it yesterday on a player profiler show, not that I expect it to happen, but he could be one of those guys. that's a good developmental project for a team that's drafting late in round one that wants to draft him, sit him on the bench for a couple of years and kind of let him develop. We saw Detroit go that route a couple of years ago

with Hendon Hooker. Hasn't really panned out, but maybe they go back to the well with Jalen Milrow here and let him sit behind Jared Goff for a couple of years. I think there is a chance for Milrow to develop into a good quarterback, but I just don't think he's got the skill set right now. That's gonna translate to the NFL Alfredo how many set an over-under how many of these quarterbacks start more than 20 games in the NFL? Oh yuck, um Let's go with two. I think that if someone's gonna draft Shider Sanders in the first round They're gonna give him two full seasons to get his feet under him. I think Kam Ward's going to have plenty of time, but even Tyler Shug, my quarterback three, it's going to be very dependent on where these

guys land. Shug would have to be someone that like sits behind a Matt Stafford for a year or two and learns and gets into it. And then even then it's just the longer these quarterbacks sit, the later they get drafted, the less likely it is that they play that many games. So I should have told you this, but when I said over under, I was expecting a 0.5 to be in there somewhere. So Dave had to choose. I've been pretty sure if I say over under two, Dave's going to say that's right on the mark. Two sounds good to me.

Pushing that one. Yeah. Oh, one and a half. I will take the over two and a half. I mean, it just depends on how much an NFL team likes Jackson Dart, right? Like if they, if, if they get excited, if they get as excited about him as some of the dynasty analysts are, um, Dave, do you think any of these guys are top 12 quarterbacks in your dynasty quarterback rankings after the draft? I think if Cam Ward goes number one overall, whether it's Tennessee or if somebody else

trades up there, I think we can comfortably put him inside the top 12. I did a study last year on how where you're selected in the draft as a quarterback ties to future production. And as I'm sure you'd imagine, the higher you're drafted, the more likely you are to have good success in the NFL. And that is directly correlated to pick value as well. Like a guy drafted number one overall is going to typically have a better season than somebody drafted two, and they're going to do better than somebody drafted three overall, which is why it differs so heavily to draft capital.

I don't think we're going to see more than two quarterbacks go in round one, though. And, you know, for these guys in round two to pan out at the NFL it's an outlier I mean yeah we've got Jalen Hurts and Derek Carr and Andy Dalton but we remember those names because they're really the only ones so quarterbacks are what drive ratings and everybody likes talking about quarterbacks but I think the reality is we're really trying to force people into the QB3 discussion but it wouldn't surprise me after Sanders goes off the board if we don't see anybody else until around three or four. I think it's interesting, Alfredo, when you're thinking about ranking these guys in the dynasty

quarterback ranking context, you end up looking at them, comparing them to guys from last year's class. And a guy who didn't get drafted as high as cam ward's going to, but performed extremely well as a rookie is a guy like bow nicks. Do you think you'd rather have cam ward or bow nicks right now in dynasty? Oh gosh. Um, you know, everything in my heart says that the bow nicks train is going to go off the tracks at some point and And Kim Ward has all the tools.

And it's so hard to argue with how good that rookie year was and how he did it with just such so little weapons really around him like the Broncos offense can or should only get better if the running game is more consistent and they have playmaking wide receivers. So. Oh, I mean, right now, Bonix is valued around quarterback 11. I would probably, uh,

I'd probably still lean Nick's because I think he's going to be in a better ecosystem. If cam board ends up on the Titans, uh, or, or even the Browns, I'm not sure that I love it for him. No, I think, I think that's a good way to wrap it up. And that tells you something when we're talking about the number one pick in this draft and the number one quarterback in this draft. And we're comparing him to maybe the third or fourth best quarterback in last year's draft tells you a little bit about the quality of the position in the

2025 draft. Let's move over to the running back position, which we've already talked about. One of the deepest and also most top heavy running back classes in a long time. Ashton Gentry gets talked about as maybe the best running back prospect since Saquon Barkley. Let's hear your top five rookie running backs, Dave. Ashton Gentry is the clear 101 for me here. Single quarterback leagues, I prefer him. I think you can make a strong argument for taking cam ward first in super flex drafts

But gents he's the RB one here. You look at what he did just a historic season at Boise State But a Marion Hampton, you know He's got four inches of height and almost 20 pounds on Ashton ginty and we got word from Tony Pauline out of Indianapolis that at the combine he found out that quite a few teams have a Marion Hampton ranked ahead of Ashton ginty now I don't personally but I do think that's noteworthy. You know, you look at what Hampton, you know, the size, he does have that prototypical RB one size. Kind of reminds me of Jonathan Taylor

with the build that he has. Ginty is a little bit smaller and you have to start looking at some historic outliers to find guys at his size who have done really well. Of course, Ginty did it in college. That's why we expected to do it in the NFL. But after those two, that's where I have my first kind of tier break.

And then tier two is a nice, easy three for me. So that rounds out my top five. In tier two, I've got Trevion Henderson atop that list, Quinch and Judkins right behind him. Both of those guys were tough to evaluate at Ohio State because of the pro-style offense they ran there. You watch the games, and you almost get this idea that Quinch on Judkins is just kind of this early down plotter and Travion

Henderson is just a third down back when the reality is they're both three down backs who were just kind of forced into these roles In college Travion Henderson very underrated as a pass blocker I think that's gonna get him on the field for passing downs But he could also handle the early down work Judkins was a guy I had some concerns about in regards to his athleticism But he answered those questions at the combine with a great performance. And then for me, Caleb Johnson, I think he is the pretty easy guy to slot in as RB5.

Also like Quintchon Judkins and like O'Marian Hampton, he's got the prototypical RB1 size. You know, didn't run quite as fast as we wanted to see at the combine. And that does raise some of the questions that we had about his tape at Iowa, or those big plays that he was able to consistently rip off going to translate to the NFL.

Maybe not, but he still is such a punishing and decisive runner that I think he could make for a good early down back with some potential third down opportunities as well. So I think the top five for me is pretty, pretty firm there. And having talked with Alfredo quite a bit, I think that we're going to be pretty close on that top five. You'd be correct.

It's the exact same time. Yeah. Yeah. Good. D. Hinton, Henderson, Judkins, Caleb Johnson. Yeah. Good. So I'll start with you then, Alfredo. And why does football guys hate Devin Neal? OK, I'm actually really glad you brought up Devin Neal because for a while Devin Neal was my de facto RB six

because he just seemed like the guy that he kind of had the overall package. It was my comp for him was Joe Mixon is very similar. And what I don't like about Devin Neal is I don't think he quite knows what kind of running back he is and hearing him in his interviews compare himself to Alvin Camara. When you know he shows up to the senior bowl weighing 220 pounds and it's like no my guy you're supposed to be a big bruising running back but then really on film he doesn't show that and then he goes to the combine weighing less to 13 and still runs a pretty average 40. I think it was like a four, five, eight, nearly four, six there. Good decent time at his size, but I just don't think that he quite knows his

identity yet. And for many people, it's fine. You have a well-rounded running back. I just don't think he's dynamic enough to be that well-rounded running back in the NFL working all three downs. I want to see him have a bit more of an identity and understand who he is. I'm either the big guy that's out there crushing skulls, or I'm the really fast guy who's dropping weight and I'm being used in the passing game, because that's what we keep seeing in the NFL, is these committee backfields where backs have to fit into roles. So, Dave, we had a question from the chat, and it's kind of similar to a question we answered

earlier, but it's one we thinking of it a different way. Which of the from our good friend, Joey, right? Everybody loves Joey. Which of these rookies from this year are you taking ahead of Bucky Irving in dynasty? I think people are really going to dislike my answer here because I am very much so of the mindset that if a day three back really performs well, that's a guy that you should be trying to trade right now. And with how top heavy this draft is,

and we're looking at a lot of these guys as projected round one, round two guys, there are five guys, all five that we just talked about that I would comfortably take ahead of Bucky Irving. Once you get past there and you start looking at the Scataboos and the Neals and the Harveys and the Samsons, there are some guys that could absolutely climb ahead of Bucky Irving, but until we see on the NFL field, the five guys that we just talked about, my tier one

and tier two guys, are the guys that I'd prefer ahead of Bucky. I would say that I have the top three and we all have the same top three. I still like Henderson just a little bit more than Hampton, but if Hampton's the first back taken, that's obviously going to have to change, but those top three will all be ranked ahead of Bucky for me. And then it's possible maybe there's one more. Alfredo, we heard Dave mentioned earlier that at the combine, there was some talk that maybe Hampton is the first running back drafted. Maybe there's some team that likes Hampton more than Gentie. That's it's like, it's kind of, maybe kind of a long shot at this point, but

just hypothetically how far ahead of Gentie would Hampton have to get drafted for you to have a different RB one in this class? I think it would probably have to be about a good like eight to 10 pick gap there. I mean, I think we see this happen all the time with skill positions where they are a little flat and you might see a guy go two or three picks ahead of them. And that really shouldn't change a whole lot. That doesn't mean the NFL values that player as a whole

that way, it just means one team valued another player a different way. So it would have to be a pretty sizable gap between them for me to just undo everything that we've seen from Ash and Jincy for so long. And I think it's a lot to do with the landing spots too, more than just the pick value when it comes to the running backs. Because if you look at the top half, there are some really good landing spots for running backs and there are some potential landmines. If a guy lands with Carolina, for instance, we know that he's going to be splitting with Jonathan Brooks

down the road. If a guy lands in Chicago, we know that there's probably a pretty clear path to, you know, a three down workload. San Francisco, you know, could be the heir apparent for a guy like Christian McCaffrey, where maybe if the jets take Gentie, then we know that he could be in a split backfield with Breeze Hall next year. So I think landing spots have a lot to do with these running backs as well. And if it does happen where, you know, maybe New Orleans takes Ashen Gentie and we know that he's going to be splitting

touches with Alvin Camara and Amarion Hampton lands in Chicago where he's going to be the clear three down back that landing spot alone, even with Gentile technically going first might be enough for me to make that flip in my rankings. Who is your favorite back Dave that wasn't in a top one of our top fives, I guess all of our top fives. RJ Harvey. I love RJ Harvey.

He is just one of those human joystick type of players. I think he still needs to develop a little bit. He doesn't always trust his footwork and his play strength. He does a lot of that big game hunting where he's trying to swing balls out wide so he can hit the home run and he hit the home run well in college. And it's frustrating because when he does run through tackles, he's got the footwork and he's got the savviness to be able to do that, but he often relies on his athleticism over his play strength.

But I think that with a little bit of coaching and a good landing spot, RJ Harvey is a guy that could really take off in fantasy. And you Alfredo? LeQuint Allen for me. He's the guy that's the best receiving back in this class by a mile, led the nation in receptions at the running back position.

A hundred plus catches over the last two years, back to back thousand yard rushing seasons. He's a really smooth runner. He's got some excellent contact balance, despite being a little bit more thin. He's about 205 pounds. He's got that high cut frame. Not typical of what you see of a running back. He looks almost more like a wide receiver, but I think he's going to be a really fun weapon for teams to use as a secondary back and move all around the field.

And he's going to be one of those guys that is out there catching passes. But if the running back ahead of him goes down, he becomes like a three down guy that's going to have a lot of fantasy value. So we're kind of doing a bit of a seesaw here because we started with the quarterbacks that we aren't that excited about. Then we go to the running backs who everybody agrees it's an awesome running back class. And then we come to this complicated wide receiver class Alfredo, who are your top five wide receivers? I'm expecting we

get a little bit of disagreement at this position. Oh, we will because I am still looking at this strictly on talent verse because this is such a it's going to be a very odd thing that we're going to see here. It's a very unique circumstance. So at one I've got Travis Hunter still, I think he is the best wide receiver in this class. We just have to find out, is he actually going to be a wide receiver at the NFL level? So I've got Travis Hunter at one, Ted McMillan at two, Luther Burden at three, Matthew Golden at four and a Mecha Ibuca at five.

Go ahead, Dave. Yeah, mine a little bit different. Like you said, this is a this is a really weird class. And like, you know, I'm going to give my top five here. And there's potentially guy getting drafted in the first round that isn't inside my top five. We don't really know how NFL teams are evaluating this tier, which makes it really tough. But I've still got Technic Millen on top, you look at the size speed athleticism combo, it's really hard not to like him. Luther Burden, I know so much ado has been made about the manufactured touches, but I

think that the ceiling outcome for Luther Burden is just so, so good that you can't pass up on him. Emeka Iguca, a very similar player to Burden, going to play out of the slot, could draw a very high target share. That's alluring to me. Trey Harris is a guy that I've really been holding the torch for. I think that he is just such a polished and a NFL ready wide receiver.

Then I've got Travis Hunter at wide receiver five. But I feel like talking about the top guys without throwing Matthew Golden in there, who's now getting first round buzz after a great combine is really tough. So I want to sneak him in there, but it's just hard to move anybody else outside of the top five. is really tough. So I want to sneak him in there, but it's just hard to move anybody else outside

of the top five. So I think that we should definitely spend a minute or two on Matthew Golden, because that was one of the first things I noticed when I opened up the football guy's draft guide. I think in his consensus rankings, you guys had him at wide receiver three, and that was before he ran the fastest time at the combine.

Dave, you mentioned some of the rumors that came out of the combine. And one of those was that Golden could be the first wide receiver taken in the NFL draft. Does he have a chance to be the first wide receiver taken in rookie drafts? I think that people are going to defer pretty heavily to NFL draft capital by the time rookie draft season rolls around and it's impossible to ignore the buzz, but like you said, there's gonna be a lot of disagreements here

because nobody really knows what's happening. You know, I've heard some people say Ted McMillan is gonna be a top five pick. Other people have him at the end of round one. Matthew Golden is a guy who is, you know, a projected day two pick who is now looking like he could be the first wide receiver off the board. We've got Travis Hunter,

don't really know what to do with him. So I think that people are going to end up defaulting to NFL draft capital. If a team invests a top 10 pick in Matthew Golden and another wide receiver doesn't go off the board inside the top 15, I think that Golden becomes the unanimous wide receiver one. It really just depends on what NFL teams are going to prefer because all of these guys have such different profiles as well, which really makes the conversation fun. Alfredo, I've got Ted McMillan right now as my number one wide receiver.

Cause I'm factoring in the Travis Hunter risk, maybe a little bit more. And we can talk about that in a second, but I just, the one thing that bothers me a little bit about McMillan, you maybe just take this fear away from me is if I'm looking for the guy when they're all just standing up in the room that looks like the most recent busts at the position, especially in the first round, it's the guy that's six, five, two 12, right? It seems like the smaller guys are the guys who have maybe overperformed our

expectations and the guys that look more like him are the guys who have busted. Do you see any bust risk here? I mean, it's horrible cop out answer, but there's with every single player. I think that if there is going to be a bust potential for Ted McMillan, it's that he's not the best separator. But we said a lot of the exact same things about Drake London coming out of USC. And it's he's very similar prospect profile here. He's highly productive, target monster, tall guy that uses his wingspan to create a huge catch radius and create separation at

the top of his stem. He's not going to be a burner deep, but he is going to be good enough that he can manipulate in his routes to create the separation needed. He just doesn't do it consistently. Being as tall as he is around that height. It's hard for him to change levels. And when I say that, I mean, like drop your hips and be able to change directions. So he's not going to be like Luther Burton and Matthew Golden and a bunch of these other really quick guys that are going to be open every single play. He may not look open on every play, but he's going to be able

to come down with the contested catches and have the big catch radius. So the possibility of him being a bust, I mean, sure, he ends up going to let's say the new Orleans saints or something like that. And then he's got to compete for targets with Chris Alavi and Rashid Shahid and then I hope that Derek Carr is going to be accurate and be on a team that's rebuilding for a long time. Yeah, it could absolutely happen that way. But he could also end up in Carolina and be the number one target for Bryce Young and be a guy that's

getting you know, the Mike Evans role in the Dave Canales offense. So like there, there's a lot of back and forth with Ted, I do think that overall, there's a lot of a back and forth with Ted. I do think that overall he is a pretty safe prospect with a good floor. Dave, we heard Alfredo say that he thought that Travis Hunter is the best wide receiver in this class. We just don't know if he's going to play wide receiver.

I feel like going into the NFL draft, he has at any position, the widest range of potential outcomes. How hot, if he's a full-time corner, then we're not even drafting them in the first two rounds. Maybe we draft them in round three just as a flyer because you hope that he's going to play wide receiver in the future. How high could you see Hunter drafted though, if he gets drafted and the team comes out on draft night and says, we see him as a full-time wide receiver? Yeah. I think if a team comes out and really says that says, we see him as a full time wide receiver.

Yeah. I think if a team comes out and really says that, you know, if it's a team that doesn't have a lot of target competition and they say they draft him to be a wide receiver, I think he probably deserves to go top five in rookie drafts. But right now with the uncertainty, I think it makes sense to kind of wait until the top or the middle of round two to take Travis Hunter. I'll go back to the adage we've been hearing about fantasy football forever, right? You can't lose your, or you can't win your fantasy league

at the top of your draft, but you can lose it there. And I think that's why people are scared of Travis Hunter because you could draft a guy who potentially is only getting eight to 12 offensive snaps per game. And that, you know, offensive workload could vary on a week to week basis. So I think right now there is a lot of risk with Travis Hunter. You know, the unknown has scared people away but I think that once

he gets drafted probably within the top five and you look at all of those teams in the top five most of them do have pretty clear paths to you know being a wide receiver one there. I think then we'll warm up on him a little bit but I think the unknown right now is why he is, you know, deservedly getting pushed down in rookie drafts a bit. Alfredo, I'm trying to garner support for a movement that I'm starting. I play in some IDP dynasty leagues as well.

I love the IDP format, even if not enough people play it for there to be a lot of content produced about it. But I really want for everybody to agree that if you're in an IDP league, we're going to have a setting that we can, we're counting his cornerback stats. We're counting his wide receiver stats. You get the points for everything and he's the number one pick. I love it. You just go hit it like baseball. I don't know if you guys played fantasy baseball back when that happened, but there, there was a huge debate and multiple sites choosing different paths, whether you create a hitter

show hay and a pitcher show hay, or whether you only count, you have to choose whether you start them as a hitter or pitcher. Like it was really controversial and I'd like to get ahead of this controversy and let's just give him all the points for all the things he does. That's what I think we should do. I think the one other bit of risk in Travis Hunter that I think even post draft you still might want to keep in the back of your mind. Let's just say hypothetically, whatever team drafts him,

let's say new England takes him at four and variable comes out and says that he is going to be our wide receiver one. Then let's say variable gets fired for whatever reason, you know, there's constantly churn in front offices and then a new coach comes in and says, you know, we actually want this guy to be quarterback. So even if we do get that wide receiver sticker after the draft, there's no guarantee that he's still going to be a wide receiver two or five years from now.

So I think there's always going to be that little bit of concern with Travis Hunter. We do have a Travis Hunter question from the chat. Doke says, where does he go in IDP leagues? My league has four defensive spots in our starting lineup. That's not very many. And if he's only a cornerback, then I'm not really very excited at all. It doesn't, it doesn't really move me. Cause corner is about the least impactful position when it comes to scoring, unless you're just in a league that only counts like sacks, picks, and touchdowns. And then he's going to maybe be more valuable. But if you can get your league to agree that

you get points for his receiving production as well, then the answer, Doke, is that he goes number one overall. So we're gonna take our second break. Then we're gonna get to the tight ends. Then we'll get to a couple of sleepers from these guys. And then we do have a little bit of time to answer some of the questions from the chat. So if you have rookie specific questions, especially if you can kind of dig a little bit deeper,

make these guys answer some hard questions. No, I'm just joking. But like, who do you want to know about? Put it in the chat. We'll try to talk to them after the break. So I feel like we're finishing on a high note because the mediocre quarterback class, really exciting running back class, really questionable wide receiver class. And then the tight ends, I think we will all agree. It looks pretty great for them. Dave told me before the show that he's going to bring some controversy to his top five tight end rankings.

So let's go ahead and kick it off. Yeah. My, uh, top five. And again, this is a lot like the wide receivers where I feel like there is a top six, but my, my top five is Tyler Warren. I think that he is in a tier of his own. You know, like I said, I go to the film and I try to find warts in these players' games

so I could set myself up for the inevitable disappointment. I couldn't find any in Tyler Warren's game. I mean, he is about as perfect of a prospect as you can come across. I've got Terence Ferguson as tight end two, and I think a lot of people are going to say that I was overreactive to his good combine. He was my tight end three before the combine.

I love the after the catch abilities. He averaged nine yards after the catch per reception last year at Oregon on a huge target sample that is just a crazy number. And that's what we want to see in fantasy, yards after the catch abilities. At three, I've got Colston Loveland. At four, I have Mason Taylor,

who was also a big mover for me after the combine. Didn't do the athletic testing, but you just see him and the way he moves alongside his peers. He is just such a fluid athlete. And then at five, I've got Harold Fanon, who was my tight end two pre-Combine. But we know there's a strong correlation between athleticism and tight end production. And Harold Fanon not checking those elite athletic measurable boxes at the combine is definitely cause for concern. Yeah, I've got a little bit of a different tight end grouping here. One, I still have Tyler Warren. I think that he's just the modern day Dallas Clark. You can kind of line him up everywhere and he's going to have that awesome athleticism downfield. At two, I've got Colston Loveland.

This is a player that I think has very similar athleticism to Warren and was just held back so much by that Michigan offense. At three, I've got Mason Taylor, who is just your prototypical perfect tight end where he can block, he can run, he can do everything. And he's got the NFL pedigree being Jason Taylor's son. I think he's gonna be a guy that can easily hop into an NFL starting lineup on day one.

Whoever drafts him is drafting him to play him, not have him in a rotation. Elijah Arroyo is a guy who might not be the best blocker, but he's a heck of an athlete. He was great at the University of Miami last year. I think a lot of people are going to look and say he doesn't have a lot of production throughout his career. That's been for one thing or another, whether it's been injuries or a bad quarterback play at Miami, but we saw how good he's been this year. and at the senior bowl, he was absolutely just killing linebacker safeties, DBs, anyone going up against him. He's a smoother out runner. I love him there. And then at five, I've got, you know, Dave's, Dave's shining night, Terrence Ferguson. So there I am at five. I don't have Harold Fanon in my top five. Sorry about that, Dave.

That hurts my feelings quite a bit. And his performance of the combine was, I guess, when I looked at the numbers, Dave, and there were several things from the combine that I kind of felt this way about. Well, that's not really good, but it's not so bad that I have to cross them out, which is exactly how. And so I think it's kind of a Bucky Irving situation in some ways that we saw an extremely productive player, Harold Fanon, one of the most productive tight end seasons we've ever seen. And then we see disappointing measurements and disappointing performance of the combine.

Does it matter more because of the level of competition that he faced in college? Well, when he did face good offenses, he had some of his best games. Like it wasn't like he was just beating up on the poor opponents. So Harold Fandon, I think he's one of the most intriguing players in this draft. And I don't want to overreact too much, but going into the combine, I already did have this really tight. And what I kind of knew with my combine rankings is I'll move guys inside of tiers. So, well, it sounds like it's this huge drop from Harold

Fandon that he went from being my tight end two to my tight end five. The reality is my tight end two to my tight end five are extremely tight. So I moved him to the bottom of that tier, but still like him a lot. You know, he showed up a little bit shorter and weighed less than we expected.

And that was kind of the first thing that was disappointing. Then he came out and didn't run the fastest 40. And that was a little disappointing as well. So I'm not sitting here saying that Harold Fanon is now going to tailspin down draft boards and be a day three pick and you shouldn't have you know want anything to do with him in dynasty. It's just that it's already such a good tight end class that when Terrence Ferguson and Mason Taylor really show out at the combine, Colson Loveland was already a guy that I like quite a bit. When Harold Fanon isn't doing quite as well alongside his peers, I have to move him to the bottom of the tier, but I still think that he has every ability to be a very, very

good NFL tight end. Alfredo, you guys both and basically everyone has Tyler Warren as the top prospect in this class. There's some people that have talked about him maybe as a top 10 pick in the NFL draft. So of course, being who I am, I'll bring up the lone wart. And that is the fact that he's going to turn 23 years old before he plays a game in the NFL. And he wasn't particularly good in terms of production until he was older than everybody else. Does that bother you? No, because I mean, from what we see on the film is that it's, it's not like he was older than everybody else. Does that bother you? No, because I mean, from what we've seen on the film is that it's, it's not like he was running around bullying younger kids and smaller kids.

He was doing it from all over the field. He was lining up as a running back and having to go up against linebackers and, and defensive ends and he's out running safeties and corners. So from a physical standpoint, it's not like it was the senior kid like dunking on all the eighth graders and on the JV team here. This was the guy that was still going up against top competition and doing it in a myriad of ways. And so I think for him, a lot of it still is, I would say, is projection of just a guy who's a phenomenal athlete. Do I think he should go in the top 10? No, I know. I know he's very talented.

I just don't know that I would take any tight end. That's not like a Brock Bowers or Kyle Pitts or someone like that in the top 10. I think some people might say Tyler Warren is a very similar prospect to those guys. I don't quite see him there. I think he's probably best going maybe 14 to Indy. I could see him going a little bit lower, but yeah, I'm not seeing them as a top 10 guy. So we're gonna get deeper on these rookies, go well past the top five, once we get more information, once we know more about landing spot, how the draft capital, how the NFL viewed them.

But, you know, one of my favorite things is to get people's favorite sleepers before then. So Dave, who is your favorite sleeper that we haven't talked about yet? You know, I feel like I fall into this trap every single year and I'm doing it again. When we have these weak classes, I don't like the guys atop the positional lists

when we talk about the wide receivers, but there's a lot of guys deeper down that list that I like, and one that just keeps moving higher and higher up my rankings is Jalen Noel out of Iowa State. He is just such a physical player. You know, kind of no backs. Sorry. What was that? It's Jalen Noel. Jalen Noel. I'm sorry. I was coming on. You got to stay up to date. Yeah. Jalen Noel out of Iowa State. He kind of took a back seat to, uh, to Jayden Higgins there. But, um, I see shades of golden Tate in his game. You know, he's got the

contested catchability. He's got the after the catch ability. He is just a physical player does a lot of the slot, which typically bolts well into the NFL and the ability to draw targets here. Just a player that I seemingly like more and more, the more I watch him, I have moved him up quite a bit in my rankings right now, currently holding down the wide receiver 10 spot. And Alfredo, your favorite sleeper. Well, he was a sleeper before and throughout this draft process, he keeps going up and up. And I've got Jack Besh as my wide receiver six, the wide receiver out of TCU. And I think a lot of people will look at the stats and say, well, he didn't really do it till his final year.

But when you go back, he led LSU in receptions as a true freshman with four eventual NFL wide receivers in the roster with Malik neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr., K. Shambhuti and Trey Palmer all on that roster and he led the team in receptions. Now, I know these things happen due to circumstance, but we've seen that even later down the line, he's been able to produce the whole thing was that LSU wanted to turn them into a tight end so that they could try to get as many of their weapons in the field at the same time. he's one of these guys He's not that big but pretty big and thickly built for a receiver 6 1 2 14 He might probably be best in the NFL in the slot But he played over 70% of his snaps out wide at TCU

So he's a guy I think it has a little bit of that versatility to move all over the field really good hands He only dropped one pass on 96 targets last year. Great ball tracker on on shots downfield. You typically see him getting a lot of passes in the intermediate 15 to 20 yards downfield, which is great. And he's awesome at finding open spaces against zone coverage. And so my comp for him was Pukka Nakua. And I see a little bit of Chris Godwin as well. He's my wide receiver six. I think he's a locked and loaded second round pick, a sure fire starter on day one after that pick. And I think that the Jaguars at 36 or Patriots at 38 are real

possibilities for Jack Batch. I, you know, Jacksonville was exactly as you were describing, describing him. I was thinking, you know what? If Jacksonville doesn't steal Chris Godwin away, sorry, Joey, then he would be a fantastic fit in that system. We do have a few prospect questions from the chat. One of them we'll start off with a couple of trade questions. And you know, we're honest with the listeners here, guys. You can just tell them how you really feel. traded the 103 and a third round pick in 2026 and 6.2. Yeah. Um, so basically a first and a third for DJ Moore and Bryce Young. This is a super flex dynasty league traded away

the 103 and a 2026 third for DJ Moore and Bryce Young. Was this a good trade as of now? I think so. Yeah, I think people still haven't really talked about Bryce Young and the bounce back he had late in the year. Alfredo and I, we just did a show a couple days ago talking about dynasty buys and we talked about Bryce Young as a guy and keep trade cut right now. He's still valued as a QB 20, which is lower than he was after his rookie season when he was QB 19. For whatever reason, the market just hasn't reacted to Bryce Young. What we saw over the second half of the season

when he came back from his early season timeout last year was that he was poised and confident and playing really, really good football. And I think that raw numbers don't even show how good he was because the Carolina Panthers wide receiver core led the league in drops. There were perfect throws that ended up being interceptions because the receivers there in Carolina just weren't doing a good job. So I'm still very optimistic about the future

for Bryce Young. I think anytime you can trade an early first to get a guy who's going to be a potential multi-year QB one, that's a good deal. You're not getting Gentie. You're not getting Cam Ward with that pick. I have the 103 pretty close to Bryce Young and Superflex in value and DJ Moore for a 2026 third is stealing. So that's a good trade. Let's see if Alfredo likes this next one. I'm in a Superflex tight end premium league. I need a running back. I've got 102 hoping Gentie falls. He's probably not going to, but maybe he will. But I got to offer Derek Henry and Cooper cup for my 107 and 201 in 2025. Would you trade 107 and

201 for these vets? I think it's really dependent on your team. If you're competing and you think you're going to make a run with Derek Henry being the guy that's going to help you get there. I don't know that Cooper cop is going to be the guy that helps you get there. But if Derek Henry at running back helps you get there, I could see you doing the 107 for Derek Henry. Because I mean, at seven, you're probably looking at a, a Quinchon Judkins maybe falling to that point and you're kind of having to value them. It's does Quinchon get a three down roll. So it's you're kind of mortgaging stuff to see if you can get that championship this year. So it really depends on the roster makeup. If you're not there and you're not a top two team in your

league, I don't know that Derek Henry changes too much for you. I probably would, I definitely wouldn't do this deal now. I need to see, cause I do think in a super flex tight end premium league, I mean, there's a decent chance that three of those picks are Cam Ward, Chedur Sanders, and Tyler Warren. And so if that's the case, and then maybe a wide receiver or two goes, is there a chance you're getting Trevion Henderson at 107? I wouldn't trade him for Derek Henry and Cooper Cup combined, much less throwing in the 201 as well.

So I would hold, I would hold. I think the nice thing is if you're holding these picks and you're looking at veteran offers over the next month and a half until you're a rookie draft or maybe two months until your rookie draft, I don't think the 107 is going to get less valuable. I think the closer we get to the rookie draft, the more excited people are going to get about that pick. And so I would, I'm not saying I wouldn't trade it right now, but I'd have to get overwhelmed more than this trade overwhelms me. Kev says, how many running backs will be taken in the

first three rounds of the NFL draft. Go ahead, Dave. Um, I currently have nine running backs projected to go in the first three days, or I'm sorry, in the first three rounds. Um, so my, my, my cutoff is Dylan Samson. I think he's the last guy that we see go in round three. That too high, too low, or just right Alfredo. Um, that feels just right. I've got nine guys as well. Devin Neal is my RB nine and I think that he probably goes in late round three. So I think that's about right. This class has an embarrassment of riches at the running back spot. It's really deep. And normally that would mean that these teams might feel more comfortable just waiting. But I think

that once that run starts, if you get two guys, maybe even three, going early in the top 40 picks, there could be a run in round two, and all of a sudden you got three more guys going off the board in round three. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it's about nine running backs. I've also heard some sharp people say that

there might be, all these running backs get pushed because of the depth of the class. Nobody wants to be that GM that's the one at the start of the run. Everyone's gonna kind of be comfortable at the back depth of the class. Nobody wants to be that GM. That's the one at the start of the run. Everyone's going to kind of be comfortable at the back end of the run. So all these guys who are, you know, round three projected guys might end up falling around four or five because of the depth. It's going to be a very odd. When JinT goes six to the Raiders, it's all going to be for not. Well, I think, I think the key point there is any talk about running backs falling because of the depth of the class,

I don't think has any impact at all on Gentie, Hampton or Henderson. Right. Nobody's going to look at the depth of this class and say, oh, I don't need to take one of those three because of the depth of this class. I think it probably doesn't even impact Johnson and Judkins, but it might. But it's not going to those first three are going to go, I would assume in the first 40 picks of the draft. And then we'll see when the run starts on the on the next tier. And then on the tier after that, in particular, is the one is like once whether people think Neil needs to be RB six or whoever their RB six is, like wherever their end

of that tier with Johnson and Judkins is, I think that group after that could be negatively impacted. We maybe shouldn't be as worried if one of those guys falls today, three and just worry about where they go instead of the day they're picked. We have one more question, maybe two more, one more though, for sure from Steve he's rebuilding and he got offered two 26 firsts for 103. His only QBs are Drake May and Anthony Richardson. Yeah, I'm definitely, I'm definitely taking the two firsts in 2026. Yeah.

I mean, this is, we've already talked quite a bit about how this is a weaker class and who knows maybe you get next year's 103. Yeah. I, I think definitely if when you say you're rebuilding, you don't think the contending window starts to open up this year, then it's a much easier, much easier equation because you are making yourself significantly worse, not taking the third better best player in this class and just letting somebody else have them. Does it matter at all to you, Alfredo, who owns those 20, 26 firsts? Or is it just, we can't really predict how teams are going to do in 2025 anyway?

It matters a little bit. Like I'd be, I'd be lying if I say, I don't factor that in when I'm looking at a trade, you know, the guy who's always at the top of the league offering me his two firsts that could be picked, you know, one 11 and one 12. Yeah, it's, it does factor in a little bit. But either way, as we go into 2026, when people start to get excited about that class, the value of those picks is going to be massive. And I don't think a lot of people are going to be looking at where it is, they're just going to be saying, Oh, that's two 26 first round picks.

So just the value there is incredible. And at your 103, you're probably looking at Ted McMillan, maybe Amarian Hampton. I don't know that either of those guys put you over the top. Two first round picks, potentially, you know, multiple quarterbacks or whatever it could be. It's just, it's currency, you know, just play with the currency as you want to in your league.

We do have one more question from the chat, Alfredo. Who is your favorite sleeper employee at football guys that has been in the chat today for the entire show? Yeah, I want to give a big shout out to Julia Bryant, our video editor. She's fantastic. Yeah, got glad that she's been around no one else. Absolutely nobody else. Great question, Joey. Thank you for asking it. Thank you, Alfredo and Dave. It was awesome. Every time I have you guys, I enjoy talking to you. I learned something. I think listeners do as well.

Dave, tell the people one more time about the football guys rookie draft game. Yeah, we had version one come out the day after the Super Bowl. We're excited to be first to market on that. But now with the combine, just another piece to the puzzle. We are adding relative athletic scores. We've changed the projected draft capital

on some of these guys doing updated scouting reports as well That's gonna come out on Wednesday morning version 2 is also free We're gonna have over 140 prospects in this guide And then we'll also come out with version 3 after the NFL draft where we'll have even more changes But definitely download version 2 so you can see updated rankings updated scouting reports combined measurables and all that good stuff Thank you guys for being here. Thank you to everybody who was active in the chat and sending in your questions. Thank you Thomas for making everything work like it's supposed to. We will talk to you on Tuesday. Paramount Podcasts.

Paramount Podcasts. Design the Game, the Biggest Moves, Your Burning Questions. It's the only podcast that gives you inside access to Survivor that nobody else can. Listen to On Fire, the official Survivor podcast with me, Jeff Kropst, every Wednesday after the show, wherever you get your podcasts.