Fantasy Football Today - 2025 Top 12, Coaching News, Fantasy Superlatives (01/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Yo, what's up, everybody? Off-season content begins right now. It is Monday, January 6. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today, presented by BedMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas, Adam Azer, Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg. I believe Heath is taking a nice little post football vacation for this week. Um, but we're all here. You guys, uh, give me the first round matchup. You're looking forward to the most. Lion's Rams or I'm sorry. Vikings Rams. Sorry, Thomas, I didn't mean to give you some-

Box commanders. Man, the NFC ones are so much better than the AFC ones on paper, aren't they? I do think that there's percentage points of an upset in every single game in the AFC. Even the Bills hosting the Broncos, you can't say that that's one that the Bills are just gonna absolutely wipe the Broncos off the map. I think Denver gives them a game. I think the Steelers give the Ravens a game and yes

I even think the Texans will give the Chargers a game. I think the Chargers went easy. I think the Ravens went easy I'm looking forward to based on just how the first game went the Packers Eagles game to like that should be fun Yeah, so those quarterbacking the Eagles. I would hope it's Jalen Hurts. I would hope so too, but I mean, something's up. Well, you know, he's in the concussion protocol, so hopefully he's out. But yeah, it's obviously a big deal. Eagles are five and a half point favorites. Bucks are three point favorites over the commanders. That's the one I just have no idea who I think is going to win that game.

Uh, Vikings Rams. I, I actually feel pretty decent about the Vikings even though they coming off such a terrible performance, but they're two point favorites on the road. Bills are nine point favorites over the Broncos Ravens, nine and a half point favorites over the Steelers. Wouldn't be nice for the Steelers to get their act together and, you know, stick it to their arch rival and the Texans and Chargers Chargers are three point favorites on the road. All right so I just so here's what we're going

to do today we're going to do our top 12 for 2025 we're going to do fantasy superlatives MVP biggest bus rookie of the year and more and we're going to go through the coaching news the hirings and firings the Tyreek Hill news. I know a lot of you want to talk about like playoff challenges and stuff like that so I'm just going to, I'm just gonna read this one email. We'll do that later this week, but email of the day from Gunnar playing in a postseason league for the first time. Could you discuss some postseason rankings? And a lot of these leagues, you know, they're all different, right? Like some of them you can only use a player once. So it doesn't matter how far his team advances, but some of these leagues, you have only use a player once, so it doesn't matter how far his team advances,

but some of these leagues you have to try to predict the outcomes of the games and see which players are gonna be playing the most games. So who are some of your favorite post-season players? Have you guys thought about it at all? So I'm writing, I do it every year, I do playoff rankings for the site. So I'm writing them today.

I usually just do it based off of who I think is going to play the longest, you know, last the longest in the postseason. I think the thing that you have to sort of look at is the rules because there are some rules where you can still start a player who is not playing in the wild card round. For example, if you want to play any chiefs thinking they're going to make a Superbowl run or the lions, if you think they're going to make a Superbowl run. And there are some, I don't know if the NFL still has their

playoff challenge or not. I forget, but, um, NFL.com they, uh, they used to do it where, or they still might where you get double points for every round that they advance. So you can either play a player who was on a buy and still get double points of the best for you just taking zeros in the first round so every league has different scoring rules i played about four five of them and so like you said i'm there some that have. Use them once and they're done there are some that have you know again they carry over throughout as long as they're still alive. So just check the rules. That's the biggest thing. So, you know, the thing that I always do when I write the story is I map out the playoffs, how I think it's going to go. And that's how I choose the players based on the rankings.

Would you be interested to know what the super bowl odds are for every team that remains? So this is according to bed MGM, the sports book, born in Vegas lions plus two 80, they're the favorites chiefs plus three 50, and then the Ravens and bills are tied at plus 600. Those are the top four. So right off the bat, and this is pretty basic, but you would expect that players on those four teams to be very popular in the playoff challenge leagues

right behind the Ravens and the Bills. The Eagles are plus 700 and then after Philadelphia, there's a huge drop off Vikings 1600 Packers 1800 then another huge drop off. All these teams are 30 to one or higher bucks Chargers Rams commanders Broncos Texans Texans at the highest odds are the Steelers 100 to one. So maybe stay away from those Steelers players in your playoff challenge leagues. That's super the way that you the way that you win these things is when you a player or players from wild card scenes that just make runs.

Okay. So the good news is that's all but two teams. So if there was a team that you thought could make a run. Yeah, well, I mean, the Bills, obviously it's not, that's not making a run. They're the two seed there. They're at least going to play. Let me rephrase the surprise that you think is going to make a run that you get players from that, you know, not everybody else believes in. So like, if you think the Chargers, for example, can get to the Super Bowl and you take Justin Herbert and Lad McConkey and some sort of combination of any Chargers players. Or if you think, for example, the Packers are going to get there because they're the seventh seed, you know, that's how you win these things. Yeah, but I mean, the good the Vikings, the Vikings are a game away from being the one seed. They had a horrible game.

But but but the point would be is they're going to be popular things because they were one game away. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't know. I don't know. According to what I just spewed off. Again, you're you're you're thinking about the NFL odds. It's it's like winning a DFS tournament. It's the people that are going to take Justin Jefferson because he's great and hope that they win two games.

And if they win, you know, they play for then you're in such great shape. Oh, who do you guys think is going to go to the Super Bowl? Because I, I think, I mean, I think the Chiefs are the best team. I just think they have a much tougher road than going through the NFC with, you know, with the Bills and the Ravens looming. Well, the Bills and the Ravens have the toughest path because they have to play each other potentially and then play the Chiefs. So Chiefs only have to play one of them. The Chiefs are going to play one of them. The Chiefs are gonna win the Super Bowl.

I mean, what's like, what are we doing here? It would be interesting to see if maybe Kelsey and Swift broke up how that would go beforehand. Oh, why would you say that? No, if, if, if. That's terrible. If, I mean, I had Bill's Lions preseason. I don't wanna deviate from what I said um, yeah, it's hard to bet against the

Chiefs because again, their path is so much easier. I think for the, the NFC, I mean, it's not easy in the NFC. No, I mean, the Eagles to me are, if Jalen Hurts is healthy, the Eagles are the best team. I agree. But I'm going to assume he's going to play. I would pick the Eagles. I'm not going to cause I don't want to hate myself,

but I would pick the Eagles if I were completely unbiased. Well, right. You say that as a Giants fan. It's not because of any other reason. I wonder if that makes hurts like a good value pick in these things because there might be a couple of people in your playoff league that's going to say, Oh, I don't know if I can take this guy might not play. But hopefully he does.

And if he does that first matchup against Green Bay, I don't know if I can take this guy might not play, but hopefully he does. And if he does that first matchup against Green Bay, I don't hate it. And then who are the, you know, you think about the teams that they might play. But they could, they could definitely lose the Green Bay. I mean, I'm not counting that out at all. They could, but I think their defense will show up. And I think that they can run on Green Bay.

It's a tough game though. Green Bay is kind of limping into the game. Yeah. And then they would play either what? The Rams or the Bucks in the second round potentially for me to me could play. Yeah, they could play the fight. They could play any team except the commanders. If they win the if the commanders and the lines.

Well, right in the lines, the Lions would get the lowest remaining seed, which would be either either the Packers or the commanders. So the Eagles could face the Vikings, the Rams or the Bucks in the second round or they could lose. I don't love that they're facing Green Bay. I mean, remember what Green Bay did last year going to Dallas and destroying them. Yeah. But anyway, what do you got?

Like, which team? Okay. Which team would you target if you were doing a playoff challenge and you were just hoping for a team that was going to make a run? If you're stacking players? Yeah, and I don't think it's wrong to say, like, I'd take the Chiefs and just like... Oh, I'm stacking Lions if I have my choice of everybody. Yes, yes.

Their offense is just on fire right now. I know, but their defense, I know it was good last night, but their defense was, as I said on Friday's show, historically bad. Oh, I mean, Aaron Glenn was already a hot coaching commodity. He probably doubled his value, if not tripled his value with what he did last night. Well, that brings us to our next topic, and that would be the head coaching news. But before we get to the head coaching news, please take 30 seconds and vote for us on sports podcast group.com sports podcast group.com click vote now.

We're in the best fantasy betting and gaming category and vote for fantasy football today. We'd really appreciate it. All right. News and notes. The Patriots fired Gerard Mayo. They'll have the fourth pick in the draft. The Cowboys have not decided on Mike McCarthy's fate yet. They'll have the 12th pick in the draft. The Giants are keeping Brian Dable and GM Joe Shane. They have the third pick in the draft. The Jaguars fired Doug Peterson, but they kept their GM Tran Balke. They have the fifth pick in the draft. The Jaguars fired Doug Peterson, but they kept their GM Tran Balke. They have the fifth pick in the draft. I knew you weren't gonna like that one. The Browns fired Ken Dorsey. They have the second pick in the draft. He's their offensive coordinator. It was their offensive coordinator. The

Dolphins are keeping their head coach and GM. They have the 13th pick in the draft, but Tyreek Hill wants out. The Bengals fired Lou Anarumo, their defensive coordinator. They will be picking 17th this season. And the Colts are doing what the Giants and the and the Giants and the Dolphins, excuse me, are doing. The Colts are keeping their head coach, Shane Steichen and their GM Chris Ballard.

They will have the 14th pick in the draft. Some injury news, Isaac Arendo hurt his knee thinking maybe an MCL sprain. And the big news we're looking at for this weekend, Jordan Love and Christian Watson leaving with injuries. Love is love is most likely fine. He was warming up when Malik was got hurt to go back into the game. I think it was initially like it looked like maybe what happened to Brock Purdy, you know, with the elbow, some nerve damage or nerve issues. It was a funny bone. He got hit in the funny bone. Right.

And, you know, came back in. There also is some news that just came over about Deshaun Watson, that he suffered a setback in his recovery. Oh, wow. You think the press take a quarterback? I don't know how you don't take a quarterback because if you do,

it makes it easy to justify sitting him. If you don't, then you rush him back on the field when he's ready, which may be a good thing if you want him to, you know, look broken down and not play again. But like if you're the Browns, I'm taking a quarterback and forcing his hand, okay, sorry, you're sitting. We made the mistake to pay you, but we're just gonna have to ride this out. And this is our future.

Be very interested to see how many quarter because this time of year, right? I mean, the mock drafts all have Cheddar, Sanders, Cam Ward as top picks. Will a third quarterback move up? It happens so frequently, right? Nobody saw. Yeah. How many five quarterbacks go in the top 12 last year, whatever it was. Will a third? I remember being at the senior bowl and there were NFL personnel people who could not believe that Pennex or bone X would be first round picks. One of them told me that Pennex was going to be a third round pick. I was like, really that really is like, yeah, that's going to be good. I was like, all right. And then, uh, wow? There's some thought that Cam Uers comes out.

You know, he might be that guy. I'd be surprised, but he could be. Quinn Uers. Quinn Uers, excuse me. What was I thinking? I think if he leaves, he's gonna transfer. I was thinking he'd transfer to another school, but all right, yeah, maybe.

There's still the potential for that too. He might make more money transferring. I also wonder, I mean, you know, what the Vikings after what they saw last night and Donald struggling, I don't think it was all on Donald, but like, did he lose his opportunity to get a huge deal and do they want to pivot to JJ McCarthy who made more upside? The answer to that question is going to come in the next few weeks. Totally. Yeah. I mean, if he leads them to super bowl to that question is going to come in the next few weeks. Totally.

Yeah. I mean, if he leads them to a super bowl, then he's going to make all the money. That was a huge playoff caliber game. He looked like Sam Darnold circa 2018 to 2022. If he does it again, yeah, really makes Minnesota going to have to make them think a little bit about how they advance this offseason but but if Donald has a strong playoff performance yes then they sign him and then JJ McCarthy maybe becomes a potential trade ship who could be the third quarterback that's a team

is coveting or the first quarterback the first quarter yeah all right so we're gonna take a break but I want to get your thoughts on the on the hirings and firings of not hirings but the firings and the non firings and what it means for fantasy. We're gonna be right back. However, if you haven't signed up yet for bet MGM playoffs are here. Okay, you still got time. Use the bonus code fantasy when you sign up, you're going to get up to a $1500 first bet

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as is. Dave, what's your reaction from a fantasy perspective? I'm curious to see how the Patriots move forward. I think we can all kind of pencil in Mike Vrabel as the next head coach. All of a sudden talk stopped of him going to the jets and other locations. Uh, at the same time yesterday that Gerard Mayo got fired. So it would make sense of craft does a couple of sham interviews and then names Mike Vrabel, the next head coach. Very curious to see what they do at offensive coordinator.

Cause I don't think Alex van Pelt set the world on fire in New England, but they've got building blocks and the biggest building block they have is, is Drake may. They did the right thing by pulling them from the game. I I'm real curious to see how they build around them. What receivers plural could they add to give him better weapons could he become just an absolute powerhouse for fantasy leagues. We could be talking about him in the same way that we talked about other rookies this year has the upside to be a top 10 type of quarterback. I know Jacob Gibbs is very high on Drake May. That's the first reaction.

Jacksonville already has that quarterback too, when it comes to Trevor Lawrence. They need somebody who's going to help rebuild the defense first and foremost, but they do have to find a way to make Trevor Lord play his best game. Jamie, which player do you think has the most to gain from a new head coach or coordinator? Of the firings that just happened or the ones that are already available? I would go overall. Yeah, overall. I mean, it's all the quarterbacks that are, you know, the Trevor Lawrence, Drake May,

Caleb Williams, whoever the Saints decide to settle on. Obviously with the Jets decide to do, but the quarterbacks that are in place right now, it's May and the right guy there. If the Jaguars are hiring a guy to fix their defense, then they've already failed. They have to find somebody that's going to make Trevor Lawrence look like the guy that they paid. And then Caleb Williams, I mean, look, he clearly was drafted number one for a reason.

We've talked about this. The arm talent is amazing. He holds the ball way too long. He's got to have better play designs and better opportunities to showcase that arm talent. So those three guys right now have the most to gain, hopefully. All right. We'll keep everyone updated on all the latest news. How do you feel about the Giants? What did it? I couldn't care less. Just don't care.

Why be a Giants fan. It doesn't matter who they hire in fire. They stink. It's like being a Jets fan. I think that there's an opportunity here and it's the biggest, you know, the hardest thing to solve is you get a quarterback in that franchise. And the tackles could still be good. No. The defensive line has a chance to be good. It's not great.

Yeah. You got a great receiver, future star. You have a good enough run game. Yeah. They got a lot of work to do. I just wanted when you root for a bad team and you see as the season goes on and the injuries pile up and they just have no depth. I don't think the Giants are alone in this, but they haven't. You know these are the bad teams. They haven't built out their roster. They

haven't done well on the second and the third day of drafts. I look at the Niners man and like they draft these you know a slot corner back in round five or something and he ends up being one of the De'amador or Lenore. He ends up being one of the best slot corners in football and you know they plug in all these offensive linemen and they're still functioning and obviously they take the last pick in the draft on Brock Purdy. Is it just that they're scouting better? Is it just they're coaching them better? I don't know but these these bad teams, once the injuries hit, they have no depth. They have all these awful players on the field and it doesn't matter if they have

meleek neighbors or whatever because they have too many bad players. The Giants have to really crush it on days two and three. Then it comes down to coaching. And if Dable's not the right coach, then clearly that's the answer. But you look at what Sean McVay was able to do yesterday

with backups and they just make easy throws. It's, you know, Sean Payton getting bone X. He fits what he wants him to do. Yeah. And easy, easy decisions and not putting his offensive line in situations like what the Bears do where they're making him block, making those guys block for, you know, seven, eight, nine seconds because Caleb's holding the ball because the coaching stinks. So I think that Brian Dable can be good for fantasy. I think they're open players and the Giants quarterbacks just didn't see him. Like Daniel Jones is just bad at that.

And he made Dable look worse than he was. So yeah, I do think if they can, I really want them to get Cam Ward. I am all in on cam ward from a fantasy perspective, from an NFL draft perspective. I really, I'm not even being biased. Like I, I wasn't that convinced, but I think I'm just being silly. Uh, he's awesome. Uh, Sanders, I don't know enough about yet, but you know, we'll, we'll figure all that out. But I would love any of those three teams get cam ward, Tennessee, Cleveland, or the giants. I'm going to be pretty

excited about it. Uh, but, but that's just me. I'm actually very curious to hear what all the... Now that the season's over and all these people are going to go really scout these quarterbacks, they know a lot more than I do, I think Cam Ward is going to jump Chauder Sanders. The whole book on Sanders, like the two of them, you just you just really like oh Sanders is the safer play cam ward has more upside I think NFL teams will take that upside ahead of the quote-unquote safety of Sanders It just takes one. I mean if the Titans fall in love with one of these guys though, you know Make it somewhat obvious at some point. Yeah, maybe there's a surprise out there. We'll see. All right. Let's get to our top 12 for 2025. Okay. How about, yeah, how should we do this here? How about we'll go top six.

We'll do it in segments of six. Dave, you can start. Give me your top six. Dave Korsunsky If I were drafting today for 2025, and I had the first overall pick, I would take Jamar Chase coming off of a monster season on an offense that's crushing it. He was awesome all year. I don't think we really need to get into how awesome he was. He won the triple crown. That's enough said. Bijon Robinson would be number two. Justin Jefferson for now is number three. I want to see who the quarterback is before I think about moving him to number two. to see who the quarterback is before I think about moving him to number two. So the top three for me, chase Bijan, Justin Jefferson, three after that, Pukka Nakua, Malik neighbors, Saquon Barkley.

Oh, neighbors up there. Okay. Chase Bijan, Jefferson, Pukka Nakua, Malik neighbors, Saquon Barkley. That's Dave. All right, right Jamie what's your top six? Bijon is one, Chase is two, Jefferson is three, Barkley is four, Puka is five and Jamir Gibbs is six. Gibbs by the way finished. Remember I said if unless Jamir Gibbs has a huge game this week take one Barkley is gonna be the number right? It would have been the first guy to finish with for number one running back in PPR with fewer than like 40 catches. He had 32 since Sean Alexander 2005. But Jamiro Gives had a 40 plus point game scored four touchdowns and he is RB one. So Dave goes

chase Bijon Jefferson, Puka, Malik neighbors, and you said Barkley, right? Barkley is six. Jamie has- There's a whole PPR, I don't know if we made that clear. Oh yeah, PPR. Jamie has basically the same players except he has Gibbs six. Where do you have neighbors, Jamie?

I have neighbors at 10. So Jamie goes Bijon, Chase, Jefferson, Barkley, Pooka, Gibbs. My top six is Bijon, Chase, Jefferson. So we all have the same three. Dave went Chase, Bijon, Jefferson. Jamie and I went Bijon, Chase, Jefferson. Four is Nakua for me.

Five is Nico Collins. Six is Saquon Barkley. So Jamie, why did you go Bichon over Chase, as I did, by the way? Just looking at the way that he finished the season, and I'm hoping for some offensive lineup grades. A lot of this is clearly speculating. So Dave mentioned Jefferson with the quarterback situation.

We gotta see who the neighbor's quarterback is. We gotta see who the coach is for Brian Thomas, for example, who's a first round pick, or should be at least. So there's a lot of things still at play here. But I think for Bijan, he showed he could work in the passing game. He showed he could be dominant on the ground. He's going to have another opportunity to be the featured guy, and I don't think their

offense coordinator is changing in Atlanta or the head coach. So Zach Robinson should continue to dial up plenty of plays for Bijan. He closed the season just on an absolute monstrous tear. I think it was like nine of his last 11 with over 20 PPR points, and the right age of running backs. A lot of people will probably say, why Bijan over Barclay? You got to worry a little bit about this is the time where Barclay should start to see a decline.

Whereas I think just the opportunity for Bijon entering his prime could be amazing. Bijon averaged 22.1 PPR points per game from week six on. He had 16 or more touches in every single one of those games. Remember earlier in the year when they weren't using them as much and everybody was freaking out too much Tyler Algeria. They figured it out in October and the results Jamie just talked about it like nine of his last 11 games he was on fire. 18 plus touches in all but one game leading up into the end of the year.

So definitely a candidate. He's the number one pick in half and non PPR. I think it's the full PPR factor the fact that Jamiro or not Jamiro Jamar chase is gonna catch so many passes puts him ahead of of Bijan, but it's close and I don't hate you for putting Bijan at one Yeah, it was for me. It was like what's the most valuable player in fantasy is it's still that that ridiculously good running back Or does it even matter? Can it just be that ridiculously good wide receiver? Might just be the wide receiver at this point. I just, yeah, I think either one is right. Either one's totally fine. Jefferson,

we have third. I think it's interesting that Bijan's our number one running back and he had about 500 fewer rushing yards than both Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry, like 600 fewer than Barkley, 500 fewer than Henry, something like that. It's just kind of eye popping. How great of a year that you guys have Henry in your first round. No, I do not. I got a comment here about, you know, definitely a eyebrow razor about me having Nico Collins. Fifth, do you have Nico in your first round? Yes, I do. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, he finished in a slump, but he was wide receiver nine per game in PPR, wide

receiver six per game in, in non PPR. And he's just, I think he's just going to be an absolute target hog and he's amazing. All right. So that's our top six, Dave, what's seven through 12 for you? Amon Ross St. Brown is seventh. Jameer Gibbs is eighth. Nico is ninth.

And Devon A. Chan is 10th. And I wanna bet on his upside coming in, but I'm already nervous. And I was nervous about him last year. So maybe that's just par for the course for me. Kyron Williams is 11th. And then I've got Brian Thomas Jr. a nudge ahead of C. of CD Lamb at 12 and 13.

Interesting. Okay. So Dave's top 12 is Chase, Bijon Robinson, Jefferson, Pooka, neighbors, Barclay, St. Brown, Gibbs, Nico, Devon Achan, Kyron Williams, Brian Thomas Jr. CD Lamb just off the list. Jamie, you go Bijon, Chase, Jefferson, Barclay, Pooka, Nakua, Jamir Gibbs, and what's seven through 12 for you. So seven is locked in at St. Brown and then eight, nine, 10, and 11. I could see myself changing a billion times. So right now eight is CD lamb. Nine is Nico Collins. 10 is Malik neighbors. 11 is Brian Thomas. And then 12 I do have Devon HN also. Um, but it But it's like, I want to see what the Cowboys do.

I want to see what obviously the Texans do to fill out the receiving core quarterback for neighbors coach for Thomas, you know, so those, those four will probably stay in the first round. But I do want to see what the situations look like for all of them. I think people are going to hate my top 12. What just a couple of them. I know people are going to raise their eyebrows 12. Well, just a couple of them. I know people are going to raise their eyebrows about- I mean, you didn't put Marvin Harrison Jr. in there.

No, no. I'll tell you, once we get to number eight, number seven for me is Jameer Gibbs, who ends up as RB2 per game. But I mean, it's so obvious the difference here, right? I mean, he was RB6 per game. He averaged 18.2 fantasy points per game with David Montgomery. He averaged about, it's still amazing. Yeah, it's great, but it's not like, you know, he's not going to be the top five pick with that, but he averaged about 30 fantasy points per

game without Montgomery. The last three games of the year averaged 32.6. 25.4, 26.3, and then 46 on Sunday night against Minnesota. Yeah, but he was over 25 in all three of the playoff games. And well, he scored 28.4 PPR fantasy. That's when Montgomery got hurt was right. Week 15. So that was like half of Montgomery. But you just you know what it is.

Gibbs would be my number one pick if Montgomery were out. I'm sure he'd probably probably be that for consensus. But Montgomery not out. All right. Number eight is where again, we've seen now two years of him missing time and what that could be. Oh yeah. That's that contingency upside.

And in those 14 weeks with Montgomery, he averaged 18.2. Like it's absolutely first round worthy. Yeah. All right. Number eight though, he hasn't gonna. All right. Christian McCaffrey. Wow.

If you still believe in him, if you still believe in him, he's going to go in the back half of the first round. And it wouldn't surprise me if, you know, he's healthy and camp and, you know, doing everything that McCaffrey's capable of doing. Look, we thought Barkley was done as an elite fantasy option. Yeah. We did. We still did.

We were still taking Saquon Barkley as a top 15-ish pick. Oh, with his move to Philadelphia, if he stayed with the Giants, he wasn't going to be a first round pick last year. Heath was, you know, skeptical of it. Derek Henry, we were skeptical of what he would be to this level. We weren't drafting him as a first round pick, and he was awesome as a second rounder. You know, so I mean, I'm obviously usually the biggest Aegis that that we have and he's at that point where you got to be worried. Look at Alvin Kamara. Everything was terrible for the Saints.

And he averaged 18.9 PPR points with scoring what? Four touchdowns, five touchdowns? Like it was bad from a touchdown perspective. So these guys can still get it done when they catch the ball that level. And Kamara was second in the NFL and running backs and catches was 68 and didn't play the last three games of the season. Who was first? Who was first? HN. Oh, sure. Yeah. All right. So I go McCaffrey eight CD lamb nine. I'm on raw St. Brown 10. He's interesting though. I mean only 142 targets in 17 games and golf through everything. Yeah, he does catch everything. We golf through, uh, see six hundred and five, five thirty nine.

So that's 66 fewer passes this year than he did the year before. But 54 more yards, seven more touchdown. Yeah, I just it was you did see a guy who had fewer, less target share with Williams emerging with Laporta still being there. So I don't know, interesting, but he's still good. Malik neighbors 11, Brian Thomas, Jr. 12. This one's, do you all have neighbors ahead of Thomas? I think Jamie, you had him back to back also.

I do, yeah. I have neighbors significantly higher because I think any quarterback that they bring in is an upgrade. And the fact that they're keeping Dable and Dable knows to just pepper this dude with targets, he'll be in his second year. I think he could, I think he's got the potential, especially in full PPR to finish as the number one receiver. And I don't think it's crazy to suggest such a thing.

Right. But you know, and I'm not disagreeing with that, but it's like Thomas was better than him this year with also bad quarterback play. And he was, he was better than him this year with also bad quarterback play and He was he was better than him in non PPR he was not in full people are they were probably very close and Half per game better neighbors was oh, I guess with the way that sees fish Um, it's just all the catches. I mean, look, here's the deal Brian Thomas on a rate Basis, you know yards per outrun targets around run Oh not targets for our run yards per outrun yards know, yards per route run, targets per route run, not targets per route run, yards per route run, yards per catch, yards per target, explosive play rate.

He crushes neighbors, crushes, but neighbors had 170 targets in 15 games. Thomas had 133 targets in 17 games. I'll also point out, Thomas played four games with Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram. Any average four targets per game five targets per game in those games. How many of those games were early in the year? Weeks one, 678 I believe. Yeah, so I would throw that out because I think he's established himself. Whoever goes to Jacksonville and James Wright should be an offensive minded guy to be the head coach

there. They need more help on that side of the ball than defense. But whoever goes there is going to look at Brian Thomas as the number one receiver and hopefully use him accordingly. It would be malpractice if a guy goes to Jacksonville and says, you know what, let's make sure that Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram get their eight targets per day. One of those two guys may not be there. There's the potential to move on from one of them and maybe both. I don't know about the contract situations and we don't need to get into that, but there's the chance of one of them moving on. But I don't even think it matters.

The setup is there for both these guys. They were both amazing as rookies. They both have the chance to be absolute superstars. And hopefully quarterback situation is solved for the giants. Coaching situation is all for Jacksonville. And we're talking about two slam dunk first round picks that have the chance to be just amazing. The thing that I would hope for, hope for with neighbors is he continues to see crazy target volume. 170 is what he had this year in 15 games. Yeah hell yeah i mean who wouldn't want that in the ppr league and i think his efficiency could spike close to the levels of brian thomas this past year with an efficient quarterback is from people with crappy quarterbacks all year. Let's give them a good one for once and those numbers will go up. Dave Korsunsky It's like what's the answer there? Like do they still find themselves taking a

rookie and we get the rookie struggles of what that could look like? Is it an all-Soran guy like, I don't think it's possible, but you know, a Kirk Cousins goes to the Giants, you know, like, that could be miserable, you know, so it really is going to depend on what they do. And, but the nice thing is, like you said, Dave, you know, we saw really is gonna depend on on what they do and but the nice thing is like you said Dave You know, we saw what he looks like with drew lock. We saw what he looks like with Daniel Jones We saw what he looks like, you know with Tommy DeVito, you know So there's there's only one way to go most likely which is up It sounds like I'm pricing in a quarterback upgrade for the Giants and you guys are not doing that yet. I

mean I Just look at it this way. To me, there's four receivers that are right now untouchable. And that is Chase, Jefferson, Puka, and St. Brown. The conversation for me starts after that. So like I said, after St. Brown for me at seven, I could see myself putting neighbors eight. Moving ahead in land, moving head and Niko. Is that your top four receiver to Dave? Chase, Jefferson, Nakua neighbors. All right.

And I had Niko for, um, all right. Well the Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. the, it reminds me a little bit of, not a little bit actually reminds me a lot of Jalen Waddle versus Devontae Smith as rookies. Not Evans and O'Dell. Here's the, well, hopefully here's the comparison I was going to make. Waddell had a better year as a rookie and PPR is like, caught a lot of targets, caught a lot of passes. Smith was so much better on a per catch and per target basis. But then like it didn't matter because like second year, Waddle had his best year. He had a huge season. It just, you know, I wouldn't really look so much at the rates, stats and all that. Just look at the raw numbers. They were both incredible and we'll see what

happens going forward. I also, if you're curious, I have several other of our top 12, if you want to hear them, not just ours. That's all right. Get to the, because it's published, right? I will not be published either till later this week or maybe next week. Jeez. Do you want to, could he name off

the most interesting top 12? I haven't looked at them yet, so I'd have to look at them. No, let's just go. We got to get to our fantasy. If you want Heath's, I can give you Heath's. It's okay. Heath, we can get Heath's next week.

We'll be right back on fantasy football today with the MVP candidates, just the candidates. We're going to let you all vote on it. But we'll be right back on FFT. Okay, let's talk about the the winners of the award show. So we do this every year, we come up with some nominees, we're going to come up with a final four. And I want audience participation here people. Final four, we'll come up with them, we're going to post it on Facebook, and everyone can go vote in our Facebook group which just search for fantasy football today on Facebook. All right we're gonna start with the MVP which you know should probably have a little bit of ADP in it

but not necessarily. We got to come up with a Final Four for MVP. So who are some easy ones? I see Lamar you know I think Lamar needs to be one of the one of the options, right? Sure. Yeah, just just so you know, I'm, this will be up today. The all fantasy teams with the fantasy MVP. And this is totally chosen by me. So it'll be subjective. But I am struggling with the MVP. And I did post a Twitter poll because most of the, first I said who should be the MVP, most of the answers I got were Chase or Barkley. And so I just did a Twitter poll and those two guys.

So 1800 votes so far, Barkley slightly ahead of Chase. Wow. And not Lamar Jackson? I didn't include Lamar Jackson. Cause I mean, I think he'd make a case for three quarterbacks to be fancy MVP. At some point, they were all amazing. All right. He averaged 30 points per game.

You're taking into week 18. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, three points better than Joe Burrow. All right. So, okay, fine. Barkley and Chase then obviously are going to be on the list. So we need two more. And here's the thing. I think you could make a case. I think it could be Brock Bowers.

He was a 100th overall in our ADP and he finished his tight end one per game. That's unbelievable. Well, Kittle was tight end one, right? Oh, I'm sorry. He finished his tight end one overall. Kittle finished his tight end one per game. I think Brian Thomas Jr. has a great case because he finished strong. He finishes as a top receiver per game in PPR and he was drafted after round 10 on average. I think I would not vote for Barkley because his last five games were not exceptional. 19.7, 14.4, 9.4, 27 points in week 16, 18.9. That's really, that's great, but it's not, it didn't win me my league. You won me your league, you won your league before.

I mean, you got to look at the body of work though for these guys. Like this, this is the thing that, you know, I struggle with and putting these teams together. It's like, how do you keep off Alvin Kamara, for example, who did not play in the fantasy playoffs, but was such great value and got you there? No, I agree. You got to look at the body of work. I just think now if I'm picking between these finalists, that's going to be kind of a tiebreaker for me. So what do you guys think in here? What's on your mind? Okay. So when it comes to quarterback candidates to be on this list, Lamar was like

three PPR, three PPR, three points per game, six point passing touchdown leagues better than any other quarterback. And he was drafted like close to 30th overall on draft day and one QB leagues. So that's pretty good value. If you give up those three points in, in, in the case of Baker Mayfield, 3.7 points per game, Baker, there were leagues that we were in where Baker wasn't even drafted. So maybe he's like the waiver wire pickup of the year. That's the easiest one. Right. So maybe we don't use him as an MVP candidate, but he was somebody that obviously was awesome. I look at the running backs who were possible MVP candidates, Saquon, Gibbs, like they make sense, but Derek Henry was taken after those guys.

And he averaged, uh, 18.3. I've got him at 19.8 in PPR. So that's a little bit behind Barkley and Gibbs and Bijan, but not by much. And you were getting him, let's see, what was his average draft position last year? It's two points behind Barclay. Right. So maybe Barclay was probably a little bit better since he was drafted not that much farther ahead than Derek Henry. Yeah. Derek Henry was 11th, Saquon Barkley was fifth. So if you're gonna make the case for Henry to be MVP,

you might as well go all the way to Saquon. Well, I mean, we have this discussion every year. Is it the guy that lived up to his value or is the guy that surprised us? It's the best value on draft day who finished best at his position. Well, I didn't have to finish. I think Brian Thomas Jr. is kind of out of the.

No, you don't have to, why do you have to finish best at your position? Well, one of the best at his position. And that's why I think Brian Thomas Jr. is kind of out of the- No, you don't have to, why do you have to finish best at your position? Well, one of the best at your position. Yeah, but Thomas, I mean, the way he finished, he was such a league winner. He was, but he struggled at the beginning of the year and we just got done talking about how he got off to a little bit of a slow start.

Imagine what neighbors would have been, remember this when it comes to blink neighbors too, imagine what he would have been if he hadn't have struggled with the concussion issue in the middle of the season. Well, he's not going to win. He's not going to be on this list, but I think he should. I think he should absolutely be on the MVP list. He should be a final four guy among wide receivers.

And he was drafted 70th overall. Yeah. But Brian Thomas Jr. like barely was worse than him and was drafted, you know, 30 something picks later and finished much stronger than neighbors. Not quite two point and a half per game behind neighbors in full people. That's probably worth the drop off from 70th overall, the whatever was 130th overall, for Brian Thomas Jr. So okay, maybe there is a better case for BTJ over Malik neighbors. I

guess the question would be, Jamar chase was five PPR points per game better than neighbors was. Yeah. It's not even, it's definitely chase and he didn't miss any games. To me is chase. All right. So look, here's my final four. I'll just try to make this simple.

Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley, Jamar chase, Brock Bowers. And I don't mean it to have one of each position. Just a coincidence. I don't think it has to be that way. But those are to me the four candidates. Bowers was awesome. I don't think he should be the MVP. I don't know how Gibbs, the way he finished and played

is not in the conversation too. Absolutely is in the conversation. You wanna put, you wanna put- I would take Gibbs over Bowers. I would take Gibbs over Bowers as well. Gibbs on ADP was 17.33. So top 20 pick finished top two at his position. Not too far behind Saquon.

Do you guys want to put Bowers in over the other three points per game? I wouldn't put our take one. I don't know if maybe we should be putting Gibbs ahead of Saquon. No, I don't think so. I'm serious. Here's the reason why I wouldn't, Dave, because it's tough. You got to look at full season stuff, but in the first 17 weeks of the season, Barclay was 32 points better than Jamir Gibbs. Like week 18 really pushed that up and most people weren't playing. All right. So I'm fine with, if you guys are fine with Jackson, Barkley, Chase, Gibbs, I'm fine with that. Just to have it on record, Saquon Barkley,

first 17 weeks of the season, 22.2 PPR points per game. Jamir Gibbs, 19.8. So yes, those three points are worth it to go from 17th overall to fifth overall. All right. Who are the biggest busts, the bust candidates? Oh man. You can start with Tyreek Hill, who was drafted as like a top six pick in PPR. The two worst first round picks. And again, I take out injury in this. So the first the two worst first round picks. Well, I guess I don't know where Marvin Harrison's ADP was, but I will tell you. Breeze Hall and Tyree Kill. Tyree Kill at wide receiver 34 per game. And Travis Etienne at running back 42 per game.

Breeze Hall's ADP was 3.5. Tyree Kill's ADP was 5.5 Tyree kills ADP was 5.8 Marvin Harrison's ADP 27.5. So just so you know, I I'm doing the all fantasy teams all bus team all rookie team, the all bus team if you want the list I give it to you if you want to come up with our list and I give it to you afterwards but Breeze Hall is on the list of the guys are just named Travis Etienne is on the list. Tyree kills on the list Marvin Harris jr. You got to put Patrick Mahomes on the list. Tyree Kill's on the list. Marvin Harris Jr. on the list. You got to put Patrick Mahomes on the list. I did not have Mahomes on the list because he was not the worst quarterback of the top

five who were drafted. Yeah, but he drafted way, your Straub. The worst top five quarterback drafted based on ADP. Straub? Yes. Yeah, but he was also drafted 25 picks behind. I don't care. He was

Unstartable my homes at least you got to a point at the end of the season you're starting So I think Tyree kill Travis ETN and Marvin Harrison jr. Are pretty easy calls in my opinion Was Breeze Hall that big of a bust? Yes. He was RB 17 per game Okay, then then he should be on the list 100 easy. All. So we'll go Tyree kill on the list, but he shouldn't win. All right. Tyree kill Travis, ETN, Breeze Hall, Marvin Harrison Jr. I like that. Yeah. And we're really not going to consider Christian McCaffrey. No, I, you can make your case, but I don't, I wanted to do non injury

busts, but go ahead. It's fine, but we knew about the injury going into the draft season, and every indication was he's gonna be fine, he's gonna play week one, even practice before week one. Then he was inactive for a week. I don't mean to bring up bad memories for people that had the first overall pick, until Christian McCaffrey, but he missed week one,

and then he was put on IR, he was gone for nine more weeks, came back, didn't score a touchdown, had flashes of his old self, then got hurt again on a non-contact injury and was out for the year. That's a pain in the ass for a one-on-one pick. And I know that we want to take injury out of it, but that's it's, it, that was painful to deal with and really hard for fantasy managers to come back from. And I kind of feel like we should make an exception

to the whole, well, you can't blame injuries for this. When we thought that he was over the injury issue, it's not like he was fine, played for four weeks and then he tore his ACL or something like that. Like we kind of got bamboozled with Christian McCaffrey. Can you tell that I, Christian McCaffrey on some of my teams? Can you sense that I Christian McCaffrey on some of my teams? Can you sense that a little

bit? Yeah, no, I think it's a hold on. I'm looking up my response here. Um, oh man, I have such a funny response. I just can't find it. I was going to do the whole judge from my cousin Vinny. That was a well thought lucid, like blah, blah, blah, argument, overruled. But I couldn't find the script. Sorry about that. No, I look, it makes sense. I just, I don't know. I don't think people are going to, if we're going to say non-injury bust, I don't think

people are going to vote for Christian McCaffrey because people are going to consider him an injury bust. But a good point, Dave. Okay. Best waiver wire pickup, Baker Mayfield, at least we're going to put him on the list. Who else, Jamie, who else should we be looking at? I mean, I think the two quarterbacks that we mentioned, and I went back and look at the waiver wire column from weeks two, three, four, and five, just so you know who gave you the most over the course of the season. Now there were some guys that we recommended

in there that didn't show up until later in the year, like Jalen McMillan was mentioned early. John Smith was mentioned early. You know, they didn't really show up again toward the end of the season, but they were league winners. You know, if you started them in the playoffs, certainly. McMillan's maybe a little bit tougher case to make for, but John who became a top five tight end. So I think he belongs on the list. But I think the two quarterbacks because they were, again, difference makers.

Baker Mayfield was easy, the best one, but Sam Darnold. I mean, look the way he played and performed. So for me, the four would be Baker, Darnold, Bucky Irving, and Johnnus Smith. Bless you. Baker, Darnold, Bucky Irving, Johnnus Smith. I mean, I got no issues with that. I can't really think of anybody out there in the chat was, no, Chase Brown was not a waiver wire pickup.

No, no. He might've been in your six team league. I don't think we can make a strong enough case for receivers like Thielen and Jerry Judy, who evolved into must start receivers in the second half, maybe like the last third of the year. Judy's actually pretty good. They might not have even been on the waiver wire

to begin with. Judy might've just been languishing on bench at Stieglund and an IR spot. I so there's there's some and this is why I looked early in the season. There's some guys who were. Dropped after being drafted. Right like Bucky. So Judy Judy falls in that category.

He was drafted and then dropped. Keenan Allen was someone that I was going to again drafted and dropped. That's fine. I don't. Yeah, and dropped. That's fine. I don't, yeah. I'm fine with that. Like. I don't think that they like for me,

if we're going receivers, we told people to pick up Darnold Mooney in week two. And you started him for a good portion of the season. So if we're gonna look at those type of players, like I would vote Darnold Mooney. Why wouldn't we vote? Why wouldn't we select? We can.

He was on the waiver wire. He was week two. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah He was on the waiver wire. He was week two. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that was the big debate. Dave and I had a Darnal Mooney versus Quinton Johnson because they both had big week twos. Oh, so he was a week three waiver wire. Mooney was Mooney's ADP was 164th.

So definitely was not drafted in every single league. Neither was Zach Ertz, but I don't think he makes this conversation. I mentioned Elan already. Yeah, I don't know if I've got anybody else that could be on this list. I gave you a whole list of guys. Hunter Henry was somebody that came out of nowhere. Tucker Kraft, when we said to pick him up,

was 6% rostered and became basically a must-start tight end. Not a superstar, but again, not someone to overlook. It just depends on what the qualifications that we're looking for here. Because again you know, again, Bucky Irving was like right around 60% rostered when we said to pick him up. So waiver wire guy, but still drafted in some leagues. To me, where did Jacobi Myers show up on your, on your list? Because his ADP was right in line with Baker Mayfield. Jacobi Myers was also, again, I think somebody that was drafted and dropped after slow start, um, and became great. I just look at it as who did we tell you early in the season that helped you?

Yep. And I think it's the two quarterbacks because they became top 10 quarterbacks. I think it's Bucky Irving with the way that he finished the season. And then I would put John there just because he became an absolute stud. Really hard to argue with John. 13.1 PPR points per game. So that was barely decimal points behind the joke who who's at four and just a couple of points per game behind Kittle McBride Bowers who are all over 15. I like it. Okay, so that's our final four. Baker Mayfield, Bucky Irving, Sam Darnold, John Smith. So who's the rookie of the year?

I mean, this is this is Bowers, right? Or is it either him or Jane Daniels? Oh my gosh, or Thomas or neighbors or Bucky? Probably not Bucky Irving, but man, this is a good class. All right, I'm going to let the people Jane, Daniels, Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas, Jr. Malik neighbors that anyone we're missing of the rookies. I mean, I don't think so. I think those are the best four.

Oh my gosh, that's so tough. Daniels ADP was 94th overall. You could laugh at yourself with some of the quarterbacks that were taken ahead of Jaden Daniels, including CJ Stroud, who was taken as a top 50 pick. Bowers was after that. Bowers was 110th overall. So a little bit better value at the 1Z position. Well, Thomas and Irving were the best values. Sure. because they went after Bowers. Is this bucky Irving deserve to be on here ahead of I don't know if he deserves to be on here ahead of like he

didn't finish as a top 12 running back. He had a great finish of the year. The tour is Brian Thomas Jr. And his explosive play came much sooner than Buc-E's the the the all rookie team is the easiest story I'll ever have to write. It's Jayden Dano as a quarterback, it's Buc-ee Irving and Tyrone Tracy at running back, it's neighbors, it's neighbors, uh, McConkie and Thomas at receiver, Bowers at tight end. I gave Xavier Worthy the flex spot and it's really sad that Marvin Harrison doesn't make

the list. I just want to look up one thing here because I'm going to make a case for Buc-ee Irving over Malik neighbors. So just hold on one second. All right. We'll hold on. Well, why don't you done? No, I'm almost done. I'm going to look from week seven, which is when neighbors got back from his concussion and, uh, anything. Andrew Thomas was out at that point. Week seven through 17, Malik neighbors averaged 16.5 fantasy points per game. Bucky Irving averaged 16.8 fantasy points per game. I bet if I made it, let's check week 12 through 17 Irving averaged. Oh, wait, neighbors averaged 19.7. It was RB4 per game. I just picked random week 12 randomly.

That just makes me like Brian Thomas Jr. Even more. How about we just bend our rules and do five candidates? No, got to make it hard on us. Can't do that. Well, who's going to vote for neighbors if Brian Thomas Jr. is in the running? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don on us. Can't do that. Uh, well, I, who's going to vote for neighbors if Brian Thomas Jr. is in the running. A lot of people still, I mean, he finished higher. He finished with more PPR points per game. Neighbors did. I, the better value on draft day was Brian Thomas Jr. If I had to guess the voting, it's going to go Thomas Bowers, neighbors, Daniels. Yeah. But Adam's the one who gets to guess what the poll results are.

So, oh man, I am really torn between Bucky Irving and Malik neighbors here. It's neighbors. Come on. Ah, fine. Daniels Bowers, Thomas Jr. neighbors, comeback player of the year. I gave you two candidates. I can't think of a third.

Who'd you say? Who did I say? Yeah. Oh, it's Joe Burrow and J.K. Dobbins. I don't know who else is. Worthy of it. Aaron Rodgers. He wasn't good, though. John, who doesn't make this list? What did he come back from? What did he come back from?

What did he come back from? Sucking. The career of it. Oh, oh, Barclay? What did he come back from? Mediocrity? The Giants? Derek Henry didn't have a very good year last year, right? Yeah, that's not a bad, he should make the list. See, Derek Henry was RB 10 overall last year, but on a per game basis, he was not great. RB 18. Yeah. And even worse in full PPR. I will put them on the list. All right. Burrow, Dobbins, Derek Henry.

How about people suggesting Darnold, which is fine too. T Higgins is like RB wide receiver five per game. I looked at him. I was surprised he played 12 games last year. Cause I first I was like, oh, he only had 76 targets. He must've only played like six games. He played 12 games. I was going to put T Higgins on the list.

So I think that qualifies. Chuba? Chuba? No, that's not a comeback. He was good at the end of last year. All right. Whatever you guys decide is fine. I got to run. Okay.

All right. T Higgins, Joe Burrow, J.K. Dobbins, Derek Henry T Higgins. Decker. Decker. It's not bad. I mean, even George Kittle. But now I don't think anyone's going to buy that argument. Kelsey? No, no, no. No. Where did he come back from? Even George Kittle, but now I don't think anyone's gonna buy that argument.

Kelsey? No, no, no. No. What did he come back from? I think it's Burro Dobbins. Definitely Henry. I'm definitely definitely going Henry. No, I don't think Henry at all. Why? He was RB 18. But again, like that's still good. Not really. Like he got he got RB 18 per game. He looked like completely washed up. I'm gonna say it's Burrow Dobbins.

I'm gonna trust the chat here and go Darnold. And then I'm gonna say Zach Ertz. Zach Ertz over Derek Henry? Zach Ertz was out of the league last year. Yeah, he was tight end 11 per game. I don't know. Oh, oh, we have one week left of voting by the way. So please vote. I don't know. Jamie, I think I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to pull rank

here and overrule you. Derek, you know, Shaefer, Shaefer, Henry or Earth's? Earth's what the? That's ridiculous. He was on like all of my fantasy teams because Dave said to draft him late and he, what did he do last year? He was injured all last year. Like, Derrick Henry played every game. He asked to be released.

Derrick Henry, like he looked like his career was over. He's 32, right? Jack Ertz's career was over. Yeah, but, right? Zach Ertz's career was over. Yeah, but Jack Ertz wasn't that good. Derek Henry was one of the best. I mean, Ertz was a league winner. What are you talking about? Yeah. Ertz is tight end 11.

Look at the way he finished the season. Good game. Tight end 11 is actually pretty good for the mediocrity at the position. Yeah, he was fine. But he wasn't, look at the other guys we're talking about here. We're talking about- First of all, first of all, first of all,

Burroughs coming back from injury. So take what I'm about to say about him out of the equation. We thought J.K. Dobbins was completely done. He's obvious. We thought that Sam Dottle would never be a quarterback again. Starter, must start. Oh, no, I'm not disputing those. That's good.

And Zachary was out of the NFL. And you want to take Derrick Henry who went to the Ravens? It's oh yeah, wow, look, big, big surprise. Yeah, because he had such a better year. Like you can't just, okay, great, he came back. So what, he was good, he wasn't anything special. Like Derrick Henry rushed for 1,900 yards. I don't know. Yeah yeah because he wasn't done

he didn't come back from anything he came back from a really bad year I mean I won a league with him last year so I don't think it was that bad of a year it was fine but it wasn't the Derek Henry year but it sure he was Henry how are you to work for. He he averaged six point four more non PPR fantasy points per game. And in full PPR average, he's not a comeback player. Oh, I disagree. He what what people are asking, what do you come back? I just told you it came back from a terrible season. Does everybody have to come back from an injury?

He came back from not a tear. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said terrible. He came back from a bad year. He looked like an aging running back, kicked out of town. We don't want you anymore on Tennessee. See if you can revive your career. Bam, 1900 rushing yards. But he didn't have to revive his career. He still had an over a thousand yards rushing. Yeah, he had a fine year. If you're saying revive his career, Zach Ertz revived his career. But he didn't have that good of a year. Like if Zach Ertz had been a top five tight end, then sure, he's a tight end 10. People were laughing at Dave for saying to draft this guy.

And he finished top 11 tight end. What's up? Start a list of Adam's bad takes of 2025. Put this on the list. Yeah, well, what? Six days in. All right, five seconds. All right, we'll talk to y'all. I actually forgot, Thomas, are we Monday, Tuesday, Thursday,

or Monday, Wednesday, Thursday? Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. We'll talk to you Wednesday on Fantasy Football Today. See ya. Paramount Podcasts