Fantasy Football Today - 5 Observations from Our Fans-Only Mock Drafts! (07/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

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This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays at his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

Oh, baby, it is July, and you know what that means. Canada, July 1st, it's Canada Day. July 4th in the States, it's Independence Day. And about three to four weeks from now, training camp opens across the National Football League. And that's when all the casuals are going to start paying attention to fantasy football because they'll see it on TV or they'll hear about it on the radio or whatever. They'll see it on social media.

Training camps are open, and there's going to be highlights everywhere. But everybody watching and listening right now, you're on top of it. You're a step ahead, and we're going to reward you for it here on Fantasy Football today by going over our off-season ADP. Remember all these mock drafts that I've asked you guys to be a part of? Well, not Heath, not Dan. They're here, but they didn't take part in any of these mock drafts.

You guys, the fans, well, we've run a lot of mock drafts, and we've got an off-season ADP. And we're going to let you in on the five biggest observations that we have from these mock drafts. And we're basically giving you a cheat code before the rest of your league gets it. So with that in mind, it's good to see you again, Heath. It's good to see you again, Dan. Did you have good weekends? I know what Heath did this weekend. So, Dan, I'll start with you.

Anything exciting happen this weekend for you, man? A very good weekend for me. Uh, played golf both days, Saturday, Sunday, which was amazing for me. Uh, played with two good friends. I haven't seen in like three months on Saturday. And then Sunday was actually a little bit of bad luck. I was playing the best round of my entire life through 14 and it started to pour rain on the course.

So I sat there in the rain for 30 minutes trying to wait this thing out and eventually had to give up when the greens were soaked wet. So other than that, amazing weekend for me. How about you guys? You know what's funny is that's like starting a draft and loving your first three or four picks, and your internet craps out, and you're on auto-draft the rest of the way, and you end up with two DSTs and two kickers.

Nothing good. So I can relate to that. I don nothing good. So I can relate to that. I don't golf, but I can relate to that. Heath, you were at the Scott Fishbowl draft in Fort Lauderdale. You saw two Scott Fishbowl drafts. Can you give us one observation from those two drafts, something you saw that might be of interest to everybody? First, it was awesome.

And I'm so glad that Scott Fish set up these live drafts. And we're looking forward to doing my live draft in Kansas City next week. But it was just such a great reminder that yes, while Josh ADHD is going to do a great job of building his Scott Fish Bowl ADP app and telling us where people have gone in different drafts, that means almost nothing. Each individual draft with the way that Scott has set up the scoring is going to be so different. Guys like Trey McBride had a really wide range of where they were drafted. Go get your guys. Don't worry about trying to wait around so you don't take somebody too early. Go get your guys. All right, very good.

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When we're going, we're going, and you can be notified of it by liking and subscribing it. Okay. The first observation I turned into a game that this is my attempt to be like Azar is the host. I created a game and the game is called ADP says, and so I'm going to give you a scenario i'm

going to give you two or three players keith dan you're each going to tell me who you would take first in a draft and then i will tell you what the adp says so here we go with the very first one and this is one that we've talked about a bunch so far who've you got first in adp who would you take first rather garrett wilson or Puka Nakua? Dan Schneier. I would take Garrett Wilson. Heath? Dan. How do you know about that, Heath?

I have these two guys back-to-back, but I would take Garrett Wilson as well. I've got them both back-to-back, and I have Garrett Wilson. ADP says Garrett Wilson over Puka Nakua. I don't think we need to talk about that very much. I think that there's definitely target volume, or at least expected target volume, that's going to be in Wilson's favor.

Wilson's the number one in New York. Puka is going to be like the co-number one in LA. Probably should have more targets per game than Cooper Cup, and he's healthier, theoretically, than Cooper Cup. So I don't think there's much of an argument here. Does anybody have anything to add? Garrett Wilson versus Puka? No, I think these guys are both really risky.

When you're talking about first-round wide receivers, I'd like a little bit more safety, but we're just counting on 40-something-year-old Aaron Rodgers coming off of an Achilles being this enormous upgrade and Garrett Wilson doing something he's really never done in his NFL career. And then we're counting on Puka being the clear number one wide receiver over Cooper Cup when it wasn't really that way when they were both healthy last year. Is it enough to make you consider a running back over either or both of those guys, Heath? I would take like four running backs, five running backs over both of those guys. Name them. Christian McCaffrey, Brees Hall, B. John Bijan Robinson Jonathan Taylor Jameer Gibbs I'm with you on the first three Dan Jonathan Taylor Jameer Gibbs where do they rank for you compared to Garrett Wilson and Puka Nakua so just the style of drafting I mostly play in half PPR PPR leagues

which is obviously impacting this I also don't typically like to go running back round one or even round two a lot of times so So I would have those two receipts. I would have Garrett Wilson for sure over those backs. Puka scares me. I think I'm with you guys. I don't think if you really look into it, Cooper Cup was just not healthy last year. And I don't think that should be a discount. I think that is not being counted enough in his price tag this year.

Assuming, yes, he's older, but he could easily get back and have a healthy season with a good off season, which I think he can and would still be the, to me, I think he'd still be the number one target. So that scares me. But Jameer Gibbs is who I talked about with Adam last week on the show. He scares me. So I think he's one of the scariest first round picks in fantasy because we rarely ever see a player who is almost a guarantee to not get a workhorse role drafted in round one. I mean, David Montgomery is not going away. David Montgomery will get 40, maybe 50% of the snaps, like possibly 60. If the game script is in his favor that week, red zone Gibbs will work in.

He obviously worked in last year. Is he going to take all the red zone touches? Doubtful. Dave Montgomery is going to play a role there. So I just don't know how many times we see a running back drafted in round one that's in this type of timeshare situation we don't see with McCaffrey Bijan Jonathan Taylor all the other guys you mentioned already in that mix so he's the one who scares me the most of those guys I have basically boiled it down to kind of what you're looking for because these are late round one picks maybe one of these guys falls into early round two and instead of necessarily focusing on the players i focus on the position and the strategy around it i know that that drop off at wide receiver

from like wide receiver eight to wide receiver nine and then from wide receiver nine all the way down to wide receiver 10 and it you know you know, it's only one number, but it feels like a huge drop off from wide receiver nine to wide receiver 10. I want to get one of those wide receivers if they're there. And I feel like there's going to be a lot of running backs, a lot being defined as like five that could be on the board when I'm picking late in round one. And I can come back and get one of those running backs.

It might not be Jameer Gibbs. It might not be John the Taylor, but it could be Saquon Barkley. It could be Kyron Williams. It could be Travis Etienne. And that way I can just start my draft balance, and I've got one of those first eight wide receivers. Wilson and Nakua figure to be wide receiver seven and eight off the board. And just to throw another log on the Puka Nakua is scary fire.

He averaged 15.7 PPR points per game from week five through week 17. That was with cup, but he did perk that number up quite a bit. He was at 20.7 PPR points per game on nine targets per game in weeks 15 through 17 cup was on the field. Nakua stepped up. We know what Nakua did in the playoff game against Detroit. That was a huge game for him. So I I'm encouraged by that late season surge from Nakua with Cup on the field. And I think he can beat 15.7 PPR points per game. I'm okay taking him with a late round pick. I have it ranked full PPR.

Gibbs, Watson, Wilson, rather. Gibbs, Wilson, Nakua, Taylor, nobody named Watson is a first round pick for me. Next up on the ADP, who is wide receiver nine? Dan, who's your wide receiver nine? This is a game where we're guessing wide receiver nine. I'm thinking it's going to be – I'm guessing what the ADP says, correct? Yeah, let's change it to what you think the ADP says, not what you – What I think the ADP says.

Right. I think the ADP says Marvin Harrison Jr. is wide receiver nine Heath you agree with that or you got a different name that's the name that's the name you guys are right on that one I don't have a noise to you know ding there it is year one top 10 80 wide receiver nine yeah I mean he he's kind of been there for us all off season long so it's not a surprise see the offseason ADP there does anybody have a problem with that does anybody not have marvin harrison as wide receiver nine i don't i don't know if i have a problem with it i just think i don't know if i'm the one making that pick i don't know if i'm going to be the one taking that gamble i don't have a problem with it though i see the upside i

see the case for it sure and i'm not even so sure there's even receivers after him who i love or like feel so confident are guaranteed to be a more safe play than harrison so i guess the more i talk myself into it i am okay with it i mean that's the thing is you oh i'm sorry he please go if you don't want to draft running backs in round two and the first eight wide receivers are gone like what what can you gonna what are you gonna do you gonna you i mean you could draft mike evans or michael travis kelsey a lot in that range honestly i know it's considered early but not for me yeah definitely early we'll touch on that in a little bit harrison i've got ranked 17th i've got him behind saquon kyron williams travis etn for now i am the head of pacheco i am am the head of Derek Henry. And then obviously every other wide receiver that's out there. That's not top eight. I've got him in there and it's just

based on projection and the fact that Kyler Murray has over-targeted his top guy pretty consistently over the course of his career. And so I want to try and get a piece of that, Dan and Heath, you know, this too, the guy was an amazing talent Ohio State. Two years leading the Buckeyes with unbelievable numbers from two very different quarterbacks. And that just stands out to me as somebody who's got this awesome pedigree, raised by a Hall of Famer, et cetera, et cetera. I think he's worthy of being wide receiver nine. But it is partially because there isn't another obvious wide receiver. And I'll get into that right now with our next game of ADP Says.

Who you got here? This is ADP Says. Olave versus London versus Devontae Adams. And yes, I have an answer that I believe in now. After last week, I kind of fumbled it and didn't have one. Heath, you can go first. What does ADP say? Who's higher, Olave, London, or Adams?

It's got two. Okay, so I think this is wrong because he's not one of my top 20 wide receivers but i think it's probably drake london okay i think the adp says adams based on the drafts we've done but again it wouldn't be my pick of the three but that was what i think the ap says i will reveal the answer and then you guys can each tell me who you would take of these three. ADP says Drake London over Devonta Adams, both of them ahead of Chris Olave. All right. Who's your favorite of the three?

I rank it Olave Adams, London. I probably go Olave London Adams, but I'm close on the second to Heath. What was the, what are you down? What are the reason you're down on? I'm close on the second too. Heath, what was the, what, what are you down? What are the reason you're down on? I'm sure it's projection based as well, but what is the reason you're a little bit more down on London? Uh, yeah, I'm, I don't, I don't think I'm down on Drake London. I'm projecting him by to have by far the best season of his career. Everybody else

is just crazy. Um, like what, what, what, what is Drake London's best finish wide receiver 40 something. Yeah. And I understand like we're doing this. It's the same thing I said about Garrett Wilson. I've got a little bit more faith than Garrett Wilson because he's done a little bit more than Drake London has so far in his career. He's also London has Kyle Pitts and Bijan Robinson there with him. Wilson just has Brees Hall. It's a good point. I mean, I think that there could be others that could step in and take a little bit away from Garrett Wilson. But those guys aren't going to be as impactful as Darnell Mooney, I don't think. We're projecting with all these receivers, with Garrett Wilson, with Marvin Harrison, and with Drake London.

Personally, I'm projecting with Chris Olave as well. I like Olave the best of these three because I love the target volume that he had overall last year. He averaged over eight targets per game. His numbers, his efficiency stepped up when there was no Michael Thomas on the field. Hat tip to Rich Rebar on that one. And I think that this offense, if we're going to talk about the offense being a change in offense, being a good thing in Atlanta with Zach Robinson there, then we got to talk about it being a good thing with Clint Kubiak, who actually does have play calling experience, by the way, in New Orleans. I know Derek Carr, it's gross to think about Derek Carr as the quarterback tied to potentially your number one wide receiver. But it worked out to a degree last year.

Olave did take a step forward last year. I say he takes another step forward again. I think he could be potentially, this is the upside case, a souped up version of Brandon Ayuk, more targets, and certainly someone who can make big splash plays just like Brandon Ayuk did. But it's interesting how Olave is last on the list among the mock drafters. And Drake London is at the top of the list. There's been a lot of positive hype around Drake London.

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Michael Pittman. And I would take Michael Pittman over the three guys we talked about. Wow. Last segment. Wow. Oh, wow. So Pittman over a lot of a London Devante.

We're going to have to have a Pittman discussion at some point, but probably not on this show. Hold on to your pants. Boys. Cooper cup is at the top of the list from our ADP. It goes Cup, Waddle, Pittman. And these are full PPR mock drafts. I know you guys disagree.

I don't even know if I can make the case for Cooper Cup over Waddle. I didn't say I disagree. But it's interesting to me. So maybe like real quick, both of you, why might people be cold on Michael Pittman? I'm personally cold on Michael Pittman versus consensus, but I'm going to let Heath go after it because I know he's higher. So we'll have a nice little con. So for me, I look at the conversation, a nice little contrast there.

Yeah, I look at the targets. I look at the targets per game last year when Anthony Richardson was in the game and Michael Pittman was barely ahead of Josh Downs. And I look at what happened when Anthony Richardson got injured and Gardner Minshew took over and Michael Pittman became a target hog, which I think could say some good things about Fonte Adams that we're not thinking about moving forward for this year. But for this year, for the Colts, I'm a little concerned that Anthony Richardson is going to be, I'm sorry, that Michael Pittman is going to be Anthony Richardson's guy. Cause he certainly wasn't in that short sample.

It's a very small sample size for Richardson. Things will change. But I think when you look and you dig deeper into the numbers, you see the low touchdown totals for Michael Pittman, the lack of explosive plays. A lot of his production came from target volume last year. And I'm not sure that target volume will be there this year with a quarterback change. Yeah, I mean, it was a higher target share percentage for Michael Pittman when Gardner Renshew was the quarterback, but it was still a 26% target share for Michael Pittman when Anthony Richardson was the quarterback.

And there wasn't really a super run-heavy approach. My big concern for Pittman last year was that when Richardson was the quarterback, he was going to run the ball 10 times per game. Jonathan Taylor'd run it 20 times per game, and they just wouldn't throw that much. And that wasn't really the case when Richardson was on the field. Their pass rate was very similar. In fact, I think a little bit lower with Minshew than it was with Richardson. I think there's a chance that this pass offense is actually more efficient this year than it was last year. And the volume doesn't really change that much. Pittman was nearly a 10 target per game type guy last year. I don't think, listen, we're talking about the

Cooper cup side of things. I don't think it's hard to make an argument for him at all. He's sure when he's been right, he's been one of the greatest wide receivers in the history of the NFL, feeling over 20 PPR points per game. Right. And, and he was still seeing a lot of targets last year. So if you want to bet on a bounce back at his age, that makes sense. But I, I just think we're still looking at nine targets per game for Michael Pittman, and we might see an increase in efficiency and i don't ever want to bet on a guy just never like we had this discussion with dj more for several years just never being able to score any touchdowns the touchdowns good it's not

the i agree with you on that i don't i'm not necessarily looking at it like the touchdown since he hasn't scored he's not going to be able to because like we know touchdown regression is the best way for us to see the variance in fantasy sports because he could easily pop for seven or eight, but I would push back on one thing. He's the, the numbers that you brought up with the rushing, uh, with Minshew versus Richardson and the rush rates of the Colts to be fair, that was before Jonathan Taylor was on the field for the Colts. So it was a little bit of a different offense in my mind, at least when Richardson's playing without Taylor out there. And when Minshew's playing with Taylor out there, I figured they would be a little more run heavy. And that again, we'll, we'll factor in

a little bit for me this year with Taylor fully healthy, ready to go. Will that alter their approach in any way? That's just something I'm considering myself with. I just like, I know what you're saying. And then there's so much upside for, for a player like Anthony Richardson, the way you can throw a football. And it's not just like the arm talent and the way you watch him throw bombs. You watch some of the windows he fit into last year and some of the processing. And it's like, this could be the best passing game. And in that case, Pittman or one of the best passing games in that case,

Pittman will be a great pick. It's just a little bit too uncertain for me right now. He was Pittman. Pittman was averaging eight targets per game with Richardson. That's the two full games with Richardson, 14.1 PPR points per game. If we're going to say that Pittman had a great year last year, whatever the efficiency was with Gardner Minshew, certainly the target share was higher with Minshew

than it was in the small sample size with Richardson. He was still at 15.6 PPR per game. And he just, there are a few receivers in this league that are big, physical, but they aren't necessarily explosive, and they're forced into being volume dependent. And I think in the case of Pittman, he is going to get that volume. But I think it's going to be in the eight target per game range, not nine or not ten.

And because he's not as explosive as other wide receivers that are going to get drafted around him, I think he's going to be right in the same range when we talk PPR points, about 15, maybe 16. Which 15 and a half is where Jalen Waddell was two years ago, and 15 and a half is where Jalen Waddell was last year in the games that he didn't leave early because of injury. So I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I just don't think in this range that 15 and a half is a put down.

I have Pittman just ahead of Waddle. I have both of them ahead of Waddle. I'm kind of nervous about Jalen Waddle. All right. I am going to skip the rest of the wide receiver. ADP says, let's go to quarterbacks. And I only have one quarterback question. Who does ADP say is QB1?

Open-ended question. You can answer anybody you want, but I mean, there's a show on, uh, he says, what do you say, Dan?

I think it's going to be a bit surprising. I think ADP says Patrick Mahomes, ADP says Jalen hurts is QB one back to back with Josh Allen, which tells me that the general public will not have a consensus on who QB one's going to be. And it's very interesting to me because he, I think we all have with Jamie Patrick Mahomes is our QB one and not hurts and not Allen. I just, I find that fascinating. I think it's going to make it interesting to draft, uh, quarterbacks and And certainly, we'll talk about this later with other ADP observations, but there is no consensus QB1,

and no one's taking quarterbacks with a top 20 pick. Maybe they're smartening up a little bit. I think we will see a quarterback with the top 20 pick by the time we get to August. But Hertz is my QB too. So I, that to me is,

is more understandable than Josh Allen is just because I don't worry about Hertz rushing touchdowns regressing as much as I worry about Allen's rushing touchdowns regressing Hertz has been a double digit touchdown rusher. Basically whenever he's been a starter, Allen has been a seven to eight per season guy until last year i do think that we might just be like look at what happened to patrick mahomes last year they go win the super bowl sure they don't need any wide receivers but he needs wide receivers for fantasy production does josh allen i think he probably does and i think kellen moore

is going to be much better as an offensive coordinator for Jalen Hurts than the mess that they were dealing with last year. Right. Yeah. I would agree. I'm worried about Saquon Barkley taking more work away than we might even initially believe. But I still think Jalen Hurts gets minimum nine rushing touchdowns, which is close to his floor. Saquon Barkley, let's assume it's not peak Saquon Barkley, but he doesn't lose a step from the last couple of years.

So it's still the Saquon Barkley. He's not the guy that he was when he was a rookie. That guy is not, to me, the type of back that I worry about stealing all the goal line carries from Jalen Hurts when he's been so successful that Saquon Barkley at his best has never been the you need to get one yard that's your guy he's the guy who's going to go get you 80 right right but he's also going to be the guy that could take designed carries away from Jalen Hurts that's where I think the biggest impact it's a question of yeah will the Eagles start to with this huge contract with her to start to worry about, you know, should we stop running him right up the middle into contact without Jason

Kelsey there every single time we're in the red zone? I don't know the answer to that. No, I think the answer to that is yes. When it's at the goal line. No. In other situations. And I don't know if that, like, even when they're at the 50, I don't think they're going to call as many design runs for Hertz when

they've got Saquon Barkley there who can, they can use in a number of ways. I just don't. And it's so hard to judge because he's been stuck in New York. But Saquon Barkley is real. The way he's elevated teams has not been because of his rushing efficiency the last few years. It's not been because like what you want to do is build an offense around handing the ball off to him. It's he makes big plays and he's good in the passing game.

I've got one more round of ADP says, and then we'll get into the rest of the observations. And it's at running back. Who you got between James Cook, Isaiah Pacheco, Josh Jacobs. Who does ADP take? What is it? Who's first on the off season? Ask FFT fan mock draft ADP.

I think, I think it's Pacheco is the answer to this. This is an interesting range, guys. I mean, look, this is like two. This is like round two, three turn. This is what you're getting at the end of round two. Yes. I don't know how comfortable I feel with any of those guys you just mentioned.

If I wasn't such a coward, I'd have James Cook close to round one. He would easily be my pick from this group. And I think he's going to challenge to be a top three or four running back this year if everything goes right wow but i'm gonna guess jacobs is the answer from adp adp says pachaco dan's right isaiah pachaco then james cook then josh jacobs and they're all pretty close to each other and they're all in that range uh Heath, can you make the case for James Cook? Yeah, he was basically a 20 to 21 touch per game guy. Once they changed offensive coordinators last year that continued into the playoffs, it was 16 plus carries four or five targets almost

every single week. And that's the often that's one of the reasons I have Josh Allen not ranked as a top two quarterback, because I do think this offense is going to continue to see a whole lot of James Cook. And I don't believe, again, it's kind of the Michael Pittman thing. I don't believe he's just going to score two rushing touchdowns every season. He scored two on like 75 carries as a rookie and then two on 220 carries in his second season. I wouldn't be surprised if he scores four more touchdowns and averages more. He's an actual true workhorse running back. 20 touches per game.

And other than McCaffrey, Hall, and Bijon, there's nobody I'm certain is going to be better than James Cook this year. So I'm nervous that that workload was because they didn't really like anybody else that they had. Cause you think about the other running backs that they had, they had Latavious and he got numbers. He had some work each week and Ty Johnson. And I think Leonard Fournette was there. He barely played.

I wonder if they just felt like they had no choice and not that they've got huge options. Now they drafted Ray Davis and Ty Johnson is still there. I get a little nervous thinking about these Bills running backs. I think about the track record of them alongside Josh Allen and how they always seem to disappoint. I can't disagree about two things you said. Number one, just the touchdowns.

He's obviously going to get more than two. I mean, don't be ridiculous. But also, he's really talented. He's a good running back. I worry a little bit about how much work he'll really get. I worry about how he finished last year. His last five games, including the playoffs, he was really in Dudsville. Did not put up many good numbers at all.

I've got Pacheco ranked ahead of him, and I'm a Jacobs fan, so I've got Jacobs ranked ahead of Cook, too. But it just worries me a little bit, especially when you start talking about James Cook as a potential round one pick. That means some people might start reaching for James Cook after some other running backs go. And that's fine. If you believe in James Cook, you got to do what you got to do. Dan, real quick, 15 seconds on Isaiah Pacheco. Pacheco, we love to see at the end of the season, he started to get more involved in the passing game. Red zone, I think is where the key is going to be though, because I don't think we'll to see at the end of the season, he started to get more involved in the passing game. Red zone, I think is where the key is going to be though, because I don't think we'll ever see a season like we saw last year with

how low passing to the low passing touchdown total from Patrick Mahomes, especially if health of Kelsey is healthier, healthier. And if those rookie receivers can get going. So I think the touchdowns might come down, but that's more projection. And we're now we're going on touchdown regression and luck. So you said 15 seconds.

So I am excited about the passing game role. I'm a little nervous about the touchdowns red zone roll i think the touchdowns red zone roll could go up if he stays healthy and is in that role for 17 games uh i feel safer with pacheco in over 17 game season typical ppr league than i do james cook it's close but i think pacheco is a little bit better. All right. I've got four more observations from our off-season mock drafts with the fans. Here's one of them. The first two rounds are basically half running backs and half wide receivers, which means most drafters will begin RB, wide receiver, or wide receiver RB. So they're going to go for that balanced approach.

And we've seen that in a lot of the drafts that we've done too. I want to ask you guys, do you have a preference on how you want to start? Or do you just, are you open to just, if there's a running back you love, you're going to target a wide receiver in round two. If there's a wide receiver that you love and you take in round one, you take a running back in round two. How do you kind of split that or think about that Heath when you're up in round one? Do you have that type of idea in your head when you go to draft? I don't at all. I have no real intentional positional strategy when it comes to running backs and wide receivers in the early round. Seriously? No intentional positional strategy?

That's correct. Seriously. The only thing out of all the different combinations, running back, wide receiver, wide receiver, running back, wide receiver, wide receiver, running, running back, running back is the only one that I'm like, oh, I don't want to do this. And so like the only way I'm probably going to do that is if I have McCaffrey or Hall or Robinson in round one, and then I get to the end of round two and James Cook's still there. Otherwise, if I take a running back in round one, I'm probably taking a wide receiver in round two, but take a wide receiver in round one, anything is possible. And if you're taking James Cook in late round two, you're probably looking at, let's name some receivers that we've talked about already.

Drake London, Chris Olave, Devontae Adams. You can go back for whoever's left from that group of receiver. For me, it would be Evans or Pittman. Yeah. If you really love Pittman, fine. But that probably eases the pain of starting RBRB if you're in the early round. So I don't necessarily hate that if I've got an early round pick because I can go and collect that wide receiver third. Plus Harrison's going to be gone. Garrett Wilson's going to be gone. Puka's going to be gone. Like it's the same class of wide receiver anyway.

So I don't hate running back, running back there. Where I might hate running back, running back is if I'm picking late in round one and I've got Jameer Gibbs in round one and I take Saquon in round two because now the wide receivers that are left in late round three probably aren't going to be as pretty as the ones that are going to be there in early round three. Certainly not as good as early round two. Dan, are you on board with that? Is that kind of a death knell on your team to start RBRB if you've got a late round one pick? It's not a death knell. It's something that I don't like to do for a multitude of reasons. The first and most important for me is the

anti-fragility argument. I've made this case on Beyond the Box score plenty of times. We actually had to explain it to Adam, who never heard of this argument. But the argument essentially is, you're betting on the guys who are less likely to get injured with your early round pick. So running back, a position that typically has the most injuries. So if I'm going running back, running back rounds one and two of my two biggest assets, I'm building a little more with a little more of a fragile build and i'm putting a lot more risk into my build so it's not something i like to do but it's not something i turn my my mind off to like if i have one of those late picks and it's like jonathan taylor and and i mean the problem is the only problem is i do see a tear break off after bijan or not bijan hall Hall, Bijan and, and McCaffrey. So it's like, if I feel like I'm

still kind of losing out, even if I, if, even if I go, you know, AA and I go Jonathan Taylor and another running back, I like there, I like quote unquote there. So it's an interesting scenario. You know what I find myself doing a lot in round two, especially when I'm picking in the early half of round one, but even sometimes in the middle half around one, it's just going Travis Kelsey in round two. And I'm, I'm not really sure what the argument against Travis Kelsey is other than that. He's one year older than he was last year when we were drafting him in round one and two years older than he was two years ago when we were drafting him at like six overall. And he was worth that and winning us week after week. He was injured last year. He played 200 fewer snaps than he's played in any season. He had three fewer targets per game than he's had in any season due to the injury.

His touchdowns went from like 12, 9, 9, 10 over the last four years to just five last year. And I guess we can say this is going to happen again. Or we could say that he was just playing hurt last year. He's only one year older than he was. He looked very effective in the playoffs. And now he has Xavier Worthy and Marquise Brown opening up space in the middle of the field by running clear out routes and actually drawing attention of safeties because he's not Marquez Valdez-Scanling who nobody gives a crap about running in the open field sure so that's kind of where I'm at with Kelsey and I'm really I don't

really understand his ADP so for me I'm just happy to take him okay I I can do the anti-Kelsey thing. Yeah, give me the anti-Kelsey. You're the Chiefs guy. I'm happy to do it. He's going to be 35 years old. So he's 34 last year. He was 34 last year, and he wasn't worth a second-round pick. Because he got hurt. Well, you know why he got hurt? Because he's older.

He's 35 years old. I think that's easy. It's fine to take him in round two and say, you're expecting a bounce back. It doesn't make any sense to say you don't understand the case against a 35 year old guy when you're explaining away last year, because he got hurt. Then I just, so I don't mean you have a different opinion of what injuries are based on. I think they're mostly luck based. I think he fell awkwardly on his knee and got hurt.

You think it was because he was 34. You're a younger guy, Dan. You've gone through this process. I don't understand why at 33 or 34, you're less likely to get injured. Well, he did get hurt at 34. But he didn't at 33. What happens is as you get older, your body is more likely to break down and it takes longer to recover. Maybe more importantly, the Chiefs are at this stage now where why would you risk playing Travis Kelsey too much in September or October or November when it's pretty clear that you're going to be in the AFC championship game?

That's what scares me about Kelsey. Are they going to arrest him and not? And actually, is this going to be the new norm? He plays 200 fewer snaps and it wasn't just because he was hurt. I don't think the touchdowns have any chance of staying as low as five, though. I will say that for sure. I don't know about that, but I will also say that like he was at 10.6 yards per reception last year, which was by far a career low.

His 65 yards per game was his lowest mark since 2015 like there was and maybe it was just because he was playing hurt yeah but but there was but what happened in the playoffs he kind of looked like himself in the playoffs did he not well that's because he rested in the regular season okay okay that's fair do you really think if they are going to take snaps off of them do you really think those they are going to take snaps off of them, do you really think those snaps are going to be, you know, inside the 30, third down, you know, key time? They're not going to have as many snaps inside the 30 now. They're going to be scoring from the 40 and the 50 again.

They've got Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy. Right. So I buy that argument, the fact that Marquise Brown and Xavier Worth worthy can take some targets and some numbers off of travis kelsey i buy that but i don't buy that the snaps that he will lose will be valuable snaps i still think he's going to play a lot in the red zone goal to go third downs all those situations here's the other thing what was the number one reason why people were taking travis kelsey in round one

a year ago two years ago three years ago four years ago to me it was the positional advantage thank you it was a huge advantage that you could only really get with travis kelsey to a degree you could get it with mark andrews and with george kittle certainly compared to like the streaming tight ends of course but now i feel like there are so many other tight ends that can come in and play and come close to where Kelsey could be this year relative to where he was last year, that it takes away that advantage. And to me, Dan, I think you're taking them a little too high. The problem is that if you're picking late in round one, that means you're picking late in round three. Kelsey probably won't make it back to you. So if you really want to have them,

you got to take them in round two and here's the last you. So if you really want to have them, you got to take them in round two. And here's the last point. And then we're going to take a break and then we're going to move on with more observations. Here are the wide receivers. Let's say that you just, you can't believe it. Your first round pick is Jameer Gibbs and your second round pick is Jonathan Taylor. Okay. Two stud running backs, really hard to pass that up in full PPR. Here are the receivers in RADP that'll be waiting for you in late round three. DJ Moore, Debo Samuel, Brandon Ayuk, Cooper Cup, Jalen Waddell, DK Metcalf. If those names make you squirm as being one of your, being your wide receiver one,

you probably should take a wide receiver early on, even if you have this opportunity to get two said running backs. Okay. One more break. We'll be back with more observations. Securian Canada. Securian Canada. Insurance designed for life. Miller Lite. The light beer brewed for people who love the taste of beer and the perfect pairing for your game time. When Miller Lite set out to brew a light beer,

they had to choose great taste or 90 calories per can. They chose both because they knew the best part of beer is the beer. Your game time tastes like Miller time. Learn more at MillerLite.ca. Must be legal drinking age. We've talked a lot about wide receivers going in round three. I just ran down six names for you. But they really start to dominate.

That position dominates not just round three, but rounds three, four, and five. In our ADP, 19 wide receivers go in that range of rounds three through five. That's compared to eight running backs, five tight ends, seven quarterbacks, seven quarterbacks taken by the end of round five in our ADP. Here's my first question. The fact that there's 19 wide receivers with an ADP between rounds three and five, does this group take the pressure off of taking a wide receiver early, or maybe more specifically two wide receivers early? And I'm not going to run through 19 names. That's just monotonous. But knowing that there's just this big glut of wide receivers that can probably get you anywhere between 13 and 15 PPR points per game.

Some of them higher than that. Dan, does that make you feel a little bit better about waiting on wide receiver if you wanted to? No, because I think the reason we're seeing this glut of wide receivers in this range is mostly market determined. And it doesn't mean necessarily that I'm confident in these receivers. I would suggest that it's hard for me to feel confidence that we're going to get 13 to 15 points per game out of these guys. Some will, and then some will just be not worth anything, which we see every year from this range of wide receivers and running backs that we draft. That's just kind of how fantasy football is. You know, it's very, it falls off fast. But with that said, I'm also personally, as I draft and you've seen this, you saw this in the last draft we did. Well, I don't remember what our last mock was, but it was a PPR mock. And I went for wide receivers in my first four picks, filling out my flex before

I filled out RB1, RB two or QB one or tight end one, because I'm a big believer in winning the flex. I'm a big believer in your flex counts just as much as you're running back one or your QB one or your tight end one on a weekly basis. A lot of people feel like, Oh, I don't need to fill the flex. I'll just fill up my lineup and then go to the flex. I look at it very differently. I want to have a big edge on the flex. So if I can get, so for me, like draft, if I, even if i draft two receivers in this range dave i'm happy to go wide receiver round one wide receiver round two and then two receivers with three of the two of these next three picks and then maybe a running back or a tight end or a quarterback do you remember the names that you

drafted can you go through your first six if you need a minute i can give you a minute to go give me a minute i'll go find the draft i i think there's a big difference in my projections between Marvin Harrison and most of the names you just said. A full point per game difference between Harrison and my wide receiver, 18. receiver 18, but there's very little difference for me between Lave and Devante Adams and Drake London and that entire group. Like there's this massive tier. So I don't feel like I have to take a wide receiver in round three because a lot of the round four and round five guys are basically kind of the same guy, but you shouldn't, it works the same way at running back. Like you're going to get two really good players in the first two rounds. Hopefully if I'm at the end of round two, I'm not quite as sure about that. Um, even a wide, even a wide receiver.

Sure. I think it makes sense for fantasy drafters to grab a rank list. It could be whoever you choose and cross off names that you don't like from wide receiver one, all the way down to wide receiver 30. And the more names you cross off, the more don't like from wide receiver one all the way down to wide receiver 30. And the more names you cross off, the more you should prioritize wide receiver. If your name's a cross off, the more you should go after other positions. Dan, you got your team? No, I'm struggling here to find it. Also, like Dan's approach.

I understand what you're saying, Dan, about getting the flex and trying to lock that up and trying to have that advantage there. My philosophy of flex is I'm always trying to get great players. I like having the pun intended flexibility to start whatever I can, the best available player on my bench. After I said all the other spots, I don't want to necessarily like wedge in one guy into the flex because if things go wrong,

you got to take them out. You need to have somebody else there. Heath, go ahead. My one. Oh, sorry. Heath, you there? No, that was on me. I have one quick point and then we'll throw it to you.

Go ahead. Go ahead. I don't care who talks. Somebody just to wrap that point up. My thinking on it. I just want to give my explanation. My thinking on it is that if you look at the data, the data is pretty clear that in PPR leagues, you are losing. If you're filling your flex with anything but a wide receiver over time, you are not if you're filling your flex with anything but a wide receiver over time, you are not playing a winning strategy that needs to be a wide receiver. So for me, I'm very, that's what, like we talked about going into drafts, like, are you care about going wide receiver round one? Are you locked into positional strategy? No, but I am locked in. The one thing I think about in every PPR draft is I want to make sure my flex is a receiver. So that's, that's

definitely true. If you were comparing wide receiver 30 to running back 30, I think it's definitely true probably in full PPR. If you're comparing wide receiver 24 to running back 24. But if we get into a situation, this is where, cause like Ben Gretsch was talking about that two or three years ago, four or five years ago, like he was not going even a step further. He wanted to draft as many wide receivers as he could start plus one more just to make sure that he had all those. I do that as well. Right. That works much better when the balance of running backs and wide receivers is even in

the first five rounds. Sure. We have a situation like we see in best ball adp and i don't know how much this is going to transfer over to redraft adp when we get to august but right now you look at best ball adp and you could find rb12 maybe in round six correct i'm all of a sudden comparing wide receiver 36 to rb12 then flexing a running back sounds pretty damn good yeah yeah you make a great point heath especially when you're talking about just like the market and how it dictates it and you you're gained like you don't want to oh okay you don't want to always be zigging when everyone else is zigging you do want to throw zag in because like it said he can you can lead to that where you have the upside of an rb12 there where versa versa if you're taking a receiver in that range you don't

really have wide receiver 12 upside with that type of receiver is the point you're trying to make correct right it's just it really is determined by how the draft goes and that's why i talk like the the no intentional positional strategy joke was is real because you don't know we're gonna have some drafts on cbs dave this year that go there's a quarterback in round one travis kelsey's going early in round two. We've got a bunch of running backs and Dan's approach is going to crush leagues like that. Yes. Because you can get four of your top 20 wide receivers or something and it works out fantastic, but there's also going to be a lot of leagues that look like best ball ADP right now, because that's the thing that's been out there already for six months or four months.

And you're going to have very, very good running backs available in round six or seven. I don't hate Dan's strategy as long as you're not reaching for any of those wide receivers. Like if you get to the point where you're taking, yeah, I love Olave. If you're taking Chris Olave at 16 overall, just because you have to have a wide receiver and you've got the blinders on, I don't like that. I'm always going to be a proponent of drafting the best player available, trying not to fill positional need. It's okay if you go zero RB. It doesn't mean you have to take nothing but receivers. You can take a tight end early on if there's one that you really like. If there's a quarterback value that's there in round three or round four, you can go ahead and do that. I think that that's important stuff. I want to continue with this whole idea of what happens after round five. And this is where our next observation comes in. Once those wide receivers are gone after round five, and remember 19 wide outs with an ADP between rounds three and five, that's when the running back run begins. And I almost think it's worth it to look at. This is right around RB 13, 14 or so in the consensus rankings all the way down. Maybe not

14. That might be a little too high, maybe 16. I can give you some names, but our ADP says five running backs went in round six, four in round seven, six in round eight. I think drafters are going to take a beeline to those running backs right after round five. That's when they're going to look for their RB2, the zero RB drafters. They're going to get two running backs back to back. One of them will be their RB1 by default, but I think that's the range when we're going to start seeing running backs go.

Yeah, yeah, I think. Does anybody, is there a reaction to that or is that like what you uh i thought i was gonna let you talk i didn't want to jump i felt like i jumped in front of heath earlier and i felt bad about i mean you're talking about like basically the first two rounds are half running back and then there's a three round wide receiver run and then maybe the next three rounds are close to half running back. And that, that makes sense. And if drafts go like that, then I think there's going to be some great running back values available at that time. So let me know what names, Dan, let me give you some names and then you can

react. What if you had to start these guys as your RB one, David Montgomery, Raheem Mostert, Aaron Jones. This is the order of our ADP, by the way, I'm reading it straight down the line. All right. Montgomery is just outside of around five order of our ADP, by the way. I'm reading it straight down the line. All right. Montgomery is just outside of a round five pick in our ADP. Montgomery, Raheem Mostert, Aaron Jones, James Conner. James Conner behind Aaron Jones. Really? Yeah, it is. Najee Harris, Jonathan Brooks, DeAndre Swift after that.

I'm not going to read you all the names, but those are the highlights. Those are the studs. If those are the highlights, then i'm really not excited i would like to have two running backs before that please aren't aren't those running backs that you settle for as your rb2 dan i it just depends like everybody has such a different approach to fantasy for me i'm not so focused on like what's my rb1 and what's my rb2 i'm focused on like how do i get as many fantasy points on a per game basis I can get. And to me in that sense,

it's why I always end up with these very light running back rosters, light at RB one, light, not always light at RB one. I will take a hero RB one approach. If I can get one of the big three, I will do that this year. But other than that,

I'm like, okay, getting any of these, because it's going to change so much in season as far as who is actually worth an RB two. Even if you look at some of the guys you mentioned there you know he's mentioned he's not very excited about them but some of those first few guys obviously taking out some of the guys we don't like as much but naming them again like david montgomery was a very solid rb2 for a large

part of last season jonathan brooks if he gets that rashad right role will be a league winner and will be an rb2 slash rb1 uh there he gets that role, of course there's more ifs with this range, but I look at it like, I kind of feel like if this is the range where we have, where what you're saying is true and receivers are going rounds three through five, I can almost go receiver receiver rounds one and two, take a running back or two in that three to five range. And then know that I can always come back and start to get, you know, cause if I'm going wide receiver one and two early, one thing I do do, it's not like I'm not building out any running backs in my roster. I will get my bench will then start to be more running back heavy. My early bench picks will be running backs. I'm hoping can break out. So I'll now have three, four. It's kind of like the zero

RB approach where you start to take more of these mid round, mid to late round running backs, and you hope one will hit. So I think if the, if it's going like you're saying, and receivers are just going so heavy rounds three to five, I'm okay taking some gambles here at running back. And these are the running backs that you're taking if your first four picks are wide receivers. Right, correct. And I'm okay with a lot of those guys you mentioned personally,

except maybe Aaron Jones. That's zero RB. That's what it's all about. Okay, let's move on to the last observation that we've got. Drafters love the price tag on top tier tight ends. I don't think anybody's reaching for any of the tight ends. Five tight ends are going in the first 55 picks seven in the first 70 picks none with a top 20 pick. So this kind of goes back to what I talked about with why Travis Kelsey isn't in the same type of position in our minds as fantasy drafters as he has been in the past. So Heath, is the goal to take the first tight end whose value slips even a little bit, like a little bitty bit?

Or are we just having a different type of idea toward how we draft tight ends this year? Mine's pretty much whichever. And I don't agree with the big five. I think it's a big four. But my thought is pretty much whichever one of Kelsey, McBride, Laporta, or Andrews is available in round four is the guy that I want to draft. And if none of them fall... Oh, we lost Heath sound. We didn't lose. Probably not taking a tight end until around seven. Repeat what you said. The last 10 seconds, we lost your sound.

If none of those tight ends fall around for that, I'm probably not taking a tight end until around seven. Here's the order of the ADP. It's Laporta. He's going, his ADP is 26.6. Kelsey's at 27.6. I'm scrolling. I believe Mark Andrews is next. He is at 39.6. Love it. And then Trey McBride, 46.7. The best value of the draft in any position. You don't have Dalton Kincaid in your, you have a top four, not a top five. I guess it's like a tier thing. Kincaid is not my fifth tight end either. Okay. Who is your fifth tight end? Kittle. Who's going right after Kincaid. So I'll just give you both these. Kincaid is at 53.3 and George Kittle is at 63.9. Kyle Pitts is ahead of George Kittle in our ADP. Kyle Pitts is at 61.2. So those are the seven that are being drafted in the top 70. Dan, is it, is there one or two of those values that really stand out to you as great?

Yeah, for me, this is, this seems to happen every year for me at tight end. I'm either taking Travis Kelsey every year, or usually I have one or two guys I love in this range. Typically though, I have zero guys I love in this range. It's actually kind of weird. I should say that I have guys I like in this range because typically I'll either go Kelsey, uh, Andrews or bust, but there are guys that I'm targeting this year in this range. And those three are going to be Dalton Kincaid, Kyle Pitts, and Brock Bowers. Those are the tight ends I want. If I don't get any of those three or Kelsey, I'm punting on the position. I don't think we've talked enough about what Bowers upside is. That's something that we're going to have to put on our list, but I know that the minicamp reports were great.

Heath, I was with you on those Scott Fishbowl drafts. He was going round six, tight end premium leagues. It just, it kind of surprised me that he was sliding a little. Yeah. I mean, I'm a pretty big Gardner Minshew fan. Yeah. The biggest tie. The literal biggest Gardner Minshew. Devontae Adams is going to get 10 targets per game. And Antonio Pierce wants to run the football. They are going to run the ball and run the ball and run the ball. I don't understand the theory of Brock Bowers as a top five tight end

without an injury to Devante Adams. Well, the theory is he's right. Go ahead, Dan. I'm sorry. No, no, I'm sorry, David. I mean, to cut you off, I want you to go and then I'll, and then I'll do a little bit on Brock Bowers. I don't think Brock Bowers should be drafted with the idea that he'll finish as a top five tight end. And I think that either the Raiders are going to have to throw a lot more than we're thinking, or something happens to Devante Adams for Bowers to get there. But I love his versatility. The fact that Georgia used him as a short yardage goal line guy in college, like, and

he was used as a wildcat quarterback. Occasionally he did that in high school. That's something that could be added in. I'm not drafting him for those reasons. I'm drafting him because he's an explosive tight end. Who's not a blocking tight end. And he could very easily finish second on the team in targets and it could be triple digits it could be 100 targets it could be 105 targets

when the season's over with and his adp is even obviously it's lower than everybody that we've talked about i almost think you can get them in round late round eight round nine and i think that's good value but i'm i'm looking for value at tight end overall and when there's one that that shows up with at least a little bit of value i'm jumping on them and i'm i'm looking for value at tight end overall and when there's one that that shows up with at least a little bit of value i'm jumping on them and i'm not worried about trying to get massive value and to steal one away from the rest of the league if if kelsey or laporta is there in round three i'm probably going to take them if kinkade's there in round five round six i'm going to take him if it rides there round four round five i'm going to take him But if people are reaching for tight ends in front of me, I don't mind waiting. I think

that there's enough at the position where I'm not going to have a huge advantage, but I don't think I'm going to have a huge disadvantage either, Dan. I think there's enough tight ends to go around. Yeah, I think you're right. Those are the observations. That's what's happening in our offseason adp we will continue to run mock drafts with you guys all offseason and the offseason listen the offseason we still got three or four weeks left in this offseason and then the preseason comes around i consider training camp part of the preseason so i hope you guys are hyped for the fantasy action that's to come and you guys are now a step ahead of what the general public will feel

because they're not thinking about ADP right now. They're going to chop on their hot dogs and their burgers, their barbecues before the July. They're not thinking about fantasy. Their loss, our win. We'll be back on Tuesday with more fantasy football today

for Heath and Dan. I'm Dave. Thanks for coming out.