Fantasy Football Today - A Two Man Supeflex Redraft; Backup QB's you should be rostering (FFT Dynasty)

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

We're three weeks into the season and what have we learned? Heath Cummings and special guest Joshua Cho will do a 12-round redraft to get a better look at the values headed into next season! (02:36) - Three Questions For Joshua Cho (13:50) - 24 Player Superflex Draft (46:05) - Deep Waiver Wire Adds Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to Fantasy Football Today Dynasty. I'm your host, Heath Cummings, joined today by my good friend Joshua Cho. You know him on Twitter, at JBChoKnows. Thank you for being here today, friend. Always glad to be here, talk football with you. You know, there's a lot of people who do Twitter better for fantasy football than what I do. You are certainly one of them. You've been more and more active the last couple of years. I just want to, first off, I would tell everybody, go follow this guy, but just kind of give them a sampling of what they're going to get

on, I guess, your X feed. Yeah. Well, I mean, I just try to help people win in their fantasy leagues. I love connecting with people. So I'm going to try to answer as many questions as I can, but I do have daily posts going from Monday through Friday. Just kind of my thoughts, my key takeaways from the weekend's games, as well as waiver wire ads. I just had that drop this morning. Just who you're going to add to help you win your championship this season. And so just kind of going through the season together and it is a journey and there's a lot of ups and downs. So it's just always a lot of fun to connect with people and experience all of that together. But yeah, there's content daily going out in the mornings around 9am. So yeah, we, like you say, it's a journey, a lot of ups and downs. I feel like these first three weeks have been a journey all into themselves, like just wild and crazy things happening every single week.

What's up, Cousin Ernest? Thanks for being here. Appreciate you being here as well, Alex. And we're going to try to parse through that a little bit. On today's show, we're going to go through a Superflex top 24 two-man mock. Just the two of us going through and taking turns picking and most importantly i want to talk about like what's actually changed because i think it's really difficult when we've got three games of football that have been played by every team in the nfl and this dynasty game is supposed to be one of patience and the big picture and the long term but you can't stand still either, or you really miss the trends.

So we'll talk about that. We're going to talk about some deep waiver ads at the end of the show. I had a very good question about backup quarterbacks that was, I think, inspired by Andy Dalton just looking spectacular. Man, how much fun is it when Andy Dalton comes back? And even more fun when he lights up the Raiders. The only thing that would be better is if he lights up his former team the bingles in week four and then uh you know we're gonna start the show like we always do with three questions for our guest and i want to start

with just kind of how do you and you could either be how you advise fantasy managers or how you yourself do it as like every time i have you on i have people in the industry saying, Oh, he's, he's a great dynasty player. So how do you process information in season as a dynasty fantasy football manager? Are you reacting quick or are you kind of like, I need to see a larger sample size? So, I mean, that's a great question. I think it's interesting because I started as just solely redraft and then I got into Dynasty and I fell in love with it. And when you think about Dynasty fantasy football, it's true. I mean, long after the season is over, we're still grinding, trying to figure out, you know, what's next, you have to keep your perspective on the long term. But I do think that you have to learn to react quickly. So in redraft, you actually get kind of great opportunities to buy and sell for your dynasty, you know, like perspective. So, for example, if you're trying to build a competitive team, you know, that's going to win you multiple championships and you're a win now guy,

and you've just lost Puka Nukua and Christian McCaffrey, you have some decisions that you have to make if you're going to continue on and be a league winner this season. So if you lost Puka Nukua, you could have probably moved him early on for someone like Rasheed Rice plus a little bit of draft capital, and that would have worked out perfectly. Or if you're someone who's struggling and you just want to get draft picks and you're not quite a contender, if you have someone like J.K. Dobbins or even Jordan Mason that you've been kind of storing up, this is the perfect time for you to sell, right? Sell high, get some draft picks and get ready to store up for more and more value. So it's kind of an interesting thing where for Dynasty, I'm always thinking about value.

And then in Redraft, it's really based on need because you have this season to do it, right? So for Dynasty, you don't want to lose that long-term perspective, but process it in that perspective and then react quickly and make your moves so you can maximize value. Yeah. I've got a team that needs to rebuild badly. And I made a mistake before the season. I had an offer for McCaffrey and for Kelsey and I didn't take it. And they've been awful. Now I think the offer was included IUK and dalton kincaid so like the guy who made that offer hasn't actually had anything good happen for him yet either but i did send out like just a message to the league chris god it's a salary cap league chris godwin is a number one wide receiver in his

prime on a cheap contract come get him right now please before something goes wrong with him because that's kind of the way you have to view veterans as a rebuilder, is they are ticking time bombs. And in certain leagues, they're costing you draft position, even if you're not starting them. Now, I want to give you a chance to do a little victory lap here. I'm going to turn it into a two-man victory lap, but also talk about how sustainable you think it is.

Because something that's been surprising to most people this season, Sam Darnold has looked like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Daniel Jones is a top 15 quarterback in scoring fantasy football scoring for this season. And really the only bad game he had came against the Minnesota Vikings defense that looks like it might just be better than anybody else. And so how much are you buying Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones, or are these just obvious sales? So it's funny you ask, you know, am I buying on them? Because it's impossible to buy when you already own them in pretty much every league that you're in.

So, you know, Daniel Jones being top 15 quarterback, that really actually shouldn't be a surprise to anyone in the sense that we know that he has been low-key a konami code guy right he he can rush for good yardage on the ground uh and against good you know bad bad defenses mid defenses he can put up numbers uh and he's doing that this season in in three short weeks that we've had uh i actually think that i would hold on to him it just depends on what people are willing to offer. But he's more of a buy than a sell most often for me, because in terms of optics and how

people view him, they just always like to dog on him. So players like that, you can usually get on the cheap. You almost don't have to do any work to buy low, even on someone who's doing really well. So, you know, I would be comfortable actually probably moving a future second for him right now. And some people might say that's way too high, but in a super flex dynasty league where quarterbacks are at a premium, throwing a second out there for Daniel Jones, and even probably, you know, I would try to make a way through negotiations to get maybe a third, you know, back with, you know, with him or a fourth. But yeah, I think that I'd be willing to buy him around those prices. I'm not ready to throw out a first round pick for him or anything like that. But if I'm selling, I would, I would. I think the interesting thing with both Jones and Dalton is like, you almost have to consider

them one year assets right now, because we don't know if either one of them are going to have a job next year. Darnold probably more likely, I guess, than Jones. If he keeps it going, there's no way that... Right now, he's actually leading the league with eight touchdowns, passing touchdowns. In fantasy, he's top five right now on a per-game average. We're talking about someone... Obviously, we can't just automatically assume he's going five right now. So like on a per game average. So we're talking about someone,

obviously we can't just automatically assume he's going to keep it going, but there's no way he doesn't get a contract somewhere to start. Right. Right. No, I think if he keeps it going, yes, exactly. A hundred percent. Yeah. So, you know, those were two guys that you were high on coming into the year. They've been fantastic. You're just like sitting back and cackling and enjoying it. Who's one guy that through three weeks of the season has just completely changed your mind, either direction, but somebody that's just been like, either you were out on and now you're in on or vice versa, who's changed your mind? So I thought about two guys that came to mind just immediately. First is a running back, you know, for the Buffalo Bills, James Cook. Now there are some guys, some of my friends in the industry who really have always loved him and are like, he is an RB1.

And I kind of questioned it because one of the big things that I saw was that the Bills really, you know, it seemed like they were allergic to using him at the goal line. But this season, he's already scoring, you know, several touchdowns. He's set a career already scoring several touchdowns. He's set a career high in rushing touchdowns already. Exactly right. So three weeks into the season. So if he's going to get that kind of usage, I have to change my perspective on him. That it's not necessarily a him problem, but maybe he just wasn't getting the opportunities for whatever reason with the scheme or whatever it might be. And now that he's getting that, I think you really do have to raise his value uh in terms of not only this season but also in dynasty um so yeah james cook definitely has changed my mind in the first three weeks uh and on the negative side

man trevor lawrence uh you know he has he has looked like he has taken two steps back right he looks pretty abysmal you know under center right now i still believe i mean we know he has taken two steps back right he looks pretty abysmal you know under center right now i still believe i mean we know he has the talent and he has the ability but there's just something that's off you know um and i'm not sure what it is but you know hopefully he figures it out uh he was someone in dynasty i mean when he was coming into the league people were just like they were ready he's a generational guy and he's going to be, you know, the next, you know, the QB one possibility, Andrew Luck, you know, like a lot of names being thrown out. But yeah, he, he's, he,

he's definitely someone that has lost a lot of value, you know, even for a super flex league. Braden asked a very good question and it's, it's, we're going to add the fourth question cause it's a, it's a near impossibility really. It's really difficult. I've been dealing with this in one of my dynasty leagues and it's it's we're gonna add the fourth question because it's it's a near impossibility really it's really difficult i've been dealing with this in one of my dynasty leagues and it's how do you get a second quarterback in a super flex league when you don't have one to get back now he gave some context he didn't just go into the year thinking he wouldn't have a second quarterback he had bryce young yeah that obviously didn't work out apparently missed out on andy

dalton so he has aaron rogers he has skylar thompson he can't get a second quarterback and his league is being mean and won't trade him one like the only there's a couple of ways one is you tank and then you draft one early in next year's draft two is you go get andy dalton off the waiver wire which you you missed apparently. And then I guess three for me, and I hope you have a better answer than this, is you just look for old quarterbacks on bad teams. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you nailed a bunch of the different ways to do it. If this guy ever decides to start another, you know, join another league, I would say the cheapest time to buy a quarterback is during the draft of a startup. That's why I go heavy on quarterbacks and super flex.

You know, it's a shame that Bryce, he had Bryce Young and now he's got Skylar Thompson. So really, he still only has one QB and Aaron Rodgers. And so I would just say he has to keep on fishing for someone or something. If he needs a second quarterback this season, I don't know, Aaron Rodgers, I think he'll be good as long as he doesn't get injured, but he's going to have to do some work. Just scour the waiver wires for backups. I know we're going to talk about that later in the show, or just start sending out trades. There are people who have older quarterbacks,

even guys like Russell Wilson, that you can maybe get super cheap and maybe he ends up starting. You just kind of have to put the bait out there and just see what happens. Throw the net out. See which QBs can possibly be returned. Or look for a team that has an abundance of quarterbacks. And you might have to overpay a little bit, but if you need a QB this season, you know, you might have to shell out a little bit more than you're, you know, you'd like to do in order to have a second quarterback.

I think that, that word you said, that's key there. And I just take the might away. You're going, like, if you're trading for a quarterback in a super flex league, just, just throw value out the window to a certain extent, You're going to have to overpay. It's going to cost more than it should. If your team's good enough, then it's worth it. If it's not, then you probably ought to just tank and get one in the draft next year. Let's take a short break and then let's draft the top 24. The top 24 in Superflex right after this. you break ground make it a point to request a locate it's not just the law it's a step to keep your team and community safe visit ontarioonecall.ca and avoid unnecessary damages to get the job done right data sourced from the orcga 2023 dirt report i absolutely love those promos it's still like i've watched the movie and the promos still kind of get to me a little bit.

I'm terrified right now. It's fantastic. Okay, so what we're going to do here is we will alternate every other pick for 24 picks. See what the top 24 looks like now. It looks like we've even got a little bit of a graphic here so people can follow along at home. I'm going to give you the first pick for two reasons. One, because you're my guest and i want to be a good host and for two because i've got a pretty good feeling who you're going

to take and i don't feel like i deserve him after not ranking him as the qb1 this year so go ahead all right without fail no one should ever question it at this point josh allen will be the 1.01 here in super flex yeah and like i if i wanted to push back at all on how wrong i've been about josh allen what i would say and i'm not doing this because who am i what i would say is we've seen three games yeah he's now below 25 pass attempts per game in those three games they've gone super run heavy he's also below 30 rush yards for the first time in forever um but he has nine touchdowns so nobody cares so i won't say that josh allen is the 101 i don't think anybody's going to argue with you there i'm still going to take patrick mahomes as my qb2 and it's been like a minute since patrick mahomes has actually justified this yeah uh to be honest but i still think like

when i'm looking at especially for dynasty purposes and especially in super flex he's the guy that i think is probably going to be elite for the next decade yeah um i'd rather have lamar right now in this season um i i'd understand if you said you'd rather have jalen hurts and it might be like five minutes and jayden daniels is in this conversation after what we saw from him last night but for now in a dynasty super flex league i will take patrick mahomes we're going josh allen we're going patrick mahomes and you get the third pick okay just one caveat real quick i think especially if it's a six point passing touchdown league i do think that mahomes value uh you know does go up but i also

have him as my number two i was hoping he could maybe slip to three um for three i do actually have lamar jackson as my three um now one of the things with dynasty that that i do think about here is um the reality that dynasty leagues may not last super long okay so i know that this is kind of part of the game that shouldn't be there because i'm i'm committed to my dynasty leagues and I want to be there for the long haul. But a lot of dynasty leagues kind of flame out around three or four years. And so someone like Lamar Jackson, even though the way that he plays, a lot of people are worried that he's going to sustain injury from all the running and things like that. Just his output is, you know, it's elite with his rushing upside and with his throwing too. Although at times, you know, it leaves a

little bit to be desired. So Lamar Jackson easily for at three for me in super flex dynasty yeah and i'll tell you like you mentioned the the caveat and i should have just gone ahead and said it like cbs leagues are generally six points per pass touchdown so i'm gonna call this a this is definitely a six points per pass touchdown draft i'm just kind of filibustering here so I can update my dynasty rankings a little bit to see if Jaden Daniels is now in this next position. He's not yet for me, but he might, man, he might be soon. He looked so good last night. He leads the NFL in completion percentage right now. And he's one of the best rushing quarterbacks. I'm still going to take Jalen Hurts. I'm a little bit concerned this week about him.

If he doesn't have AJ Brown, if he doesn't have Devante Smith, but those three are tied together for the long-term future. And so I will still, I still think the top four quarterbacks are the top four quarterbacks. Mahomes, Allen, Hurts,

Jackson. I'm not willing to commit that. I will believe that at the end of this season, because Jaden Daniels is coming, but I'll take Hurts at number four. Okay. Great pick. Those are my top four, actually. Exactly. For me, it's chalk that way. Now, number five might surprise people, but I am a big time believer in Kyler Murray. Okay. So I'm actually going to take Kyler Murray here at five.

Still, you'll notice a trend. Even Mahomes can rush a little bit. But Kyler Murray, his rushing upside, and now that he has Marvin Harrison Jr. and we see him actually making contact with him after that first game where everyone was panicking, I think he's going to continue to be a star in the league for a long time. As much as everyone wants to make fun of him for being short and all this and that, I think he has the goods to be really a league winner from the QB position. I don't have any problem with that pick.

I think there is a little tear drop off after those top four. I wish Kyler, especially with Marvin Harrison and in this offensive system, we haven't seen him in the system a whole lot. One game can kind of move my opinion a little bit more than it should. And I wish it looked a little bit better last week, but I, you know what? Your boy, Sam Darnold's number one wide receiver, Justin Jefferson is going to be my number five pick. And we talk about like, we'd like to have a decade.

You probably don't have a decade with these quarterbacks. You probably don't have a decade with Justin Jefferson, but you've got six or seven more years, and it doesn't matter who the quarterback is. It can be Josh Dobbs. It can be Nick Mullins. It can be Sam Darnold. It can be Kirk Cousins.

It doesn't matter. He's the best wide receiver in football. I don't know at what point you stopped taking quarterbacks in the first round of a super flex draft, but I'm ready to take Justin Jefferson really as early as number five. Yeah. I mean, he definitely justifies that with his play. Uh, I think sometimes people just want to find something to worry about, uh, with Justin Jefferson and, but I, I never knocked him down at all. Cause I was a believer in Sam Darnold, but you know, we're seeing that he can find his man there. So I think that's a great pick at six um i will actually go with

another quarterback uh in the next pick uh i still have joe burrow uh as a solid dynasty especially in a six point you know passing touchdown league uh dynasty uh quarterback and player so um he hasn't quite had all of his weapons at his disposal. Everything from the contract stuff with Chase to T. Higgins being injured. But Yoshivas, he looks really good right now filling in. They have Jermaine Burton, who's a rookie there, that there were terrible headlines and news about his character and stuff. But that's all of a sudden down to 180 because he had like one conversation with Zach Moss or something like that. So I think they're getting ready to employ, you know, deploy him, you know, in the aerial assault. So he's they're going to keep surrounding that that, you know, that guy with weapons.

And the more that they do that, he's going to keep on producing. Is this a format specific selection? In other words, if I had said we're doing four points per pass touchdown, would it be a different quarterback? You know, honestly, you're talking about Jaden Daniels. You know, one of the things that I have right now is between Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams, obviously the one and the two in the NFL draft. I've seen really special throws and things from Caleb that really were the reasons why I think I was happy that the bears took him, you know,

with the number one pick, but games like yesterday, Jaden Daniels, I mean, I know it's, it's, it's easy to react quickly, but he has looked very,

very good knowing when to run, you know, you know, not making too many mistakes and hitting all the stores. You see those throws to Terry McLaurin. My goodness. Incredible. I mean, it was just, I mean, McLaurin, you see those throws to terry mclaurin my goodness incredible i mean it was just i mean mclaurin you know props to him too he's someone that i've always been high on and so uh i i definitely think that jayden daniels is part of the conversation

uh in around this middle of the first round of super flex dynasty i might be the only reason that we don't just have 12 quarterbacks in the first round but somebody's got to take somebody besides a quarterback so i'm going to do it again um despite the slow start i will take cd lamb here um it's basically for me like we've got six or seven quarterbacks and three wide receivers that i think should kind of go in the first 10 picks and um you're not going to take any of the wide receivers so i'll just take them all um i do think like with Chase, with Lamb, with Iyuk, for me, I'm mostly still just shrugging off the slow starts that I think probably had to do with the fact

that maybe football players do need to practice. Maybe they should even play a preseason game or two. But Chase, we saw a kind of breakout of it last night. When does C.D. Lamb get to play the commanders? He gets to play them twice this year. He'll be fine. I'm taking C.Dd lamb here yeah you know lamb and not many people have been talking about him but he has had a pretty slow start uh you know this season and uh but i'm definitely not worried either i think you know he and dac are going to be together for a

long time and um he's he's he actually i think can push for being the wide receiver one, but he just needs to kind of get on it. So I am going to go with a quarterback, although the wide receivers you've taken are, you know, if this was a true two-man league and we're going against each other, I think I would have to start taking some wide receivers here. But because it's just the first two rounds, two rounds uh i'm gonna go here i'm gonna go with caleb williams okay now people might look at that and say well are you sure josh you know three games offensive line is terrible uh he's looked kind of pedestrian in the first couple

games i think people fail to realize this is this rookie quarterback. And to be honest, we have done him favors with offensive weapons, but with protection through the O-line. I'm looking at some of these replays where the tackle is playing Ole, just like letting people through. The interior and exterior, tackles, guards, you name it, we are struggling to keep Caleb Williams safe. But week three was a big i think boost in his value just seeing that he can throw it and you know when he has a little bit of time makes

some magic happen through for i think over 300 yards um and so yeah i'm looking forward to more of that more airing it out so so dylan asks is this a redraft or starting? And people do just tune in. So I should say, once again, this is a super flex dynasty two-man mock. And we're looking at basically just the first two rounds. So we're going the top 24 picks. And if you were just catching up and if you're listening to the podcast and you can't see the screen, it's Josh Allen, then Patrick Mah mahomes then lamar jackson then jalen hurts the top four picks and we both kind of agree there may be a little tear break after that then we went kyler murray justin jefferson joe burrow cd lamb caleb williams i'm curious where how you rank

because there were two rookie quarterbacks last year that we were really excited about cj stroud and anthony richardson there are two this year c Williams and Jaden Daniels are you taking both of the rookies this year over the rookies from last year so I love CJ Stroud yeah I think he is an absolute baller he showed us that from the get-go I do think that he's a little bit limited in his rushing and so i always like to have a little bit more rushing uh upside uh with my with my qbs now i know i took joe burrow but he's a little bit more proven uh you know because he's been in the league and he's he's had i think what he finished the season as a qb3 or or right or uh in his history so um, but yeah, I do prefer both Williams and Daniels over Stroud. Cousin Ernest asks for a little bit of audience involvement. I tell you what, you guys can make

the 12th pick. So get ready after Joshua makes pick number 11, I'm giving the audience control for pick 12. But with pick 10, I said there were three wide receivers in my top 10. I've only taken two of them. So now I'm going to take the third. I'll take Jam three wide receivers in my top 10. I've only taken two of them. So now I'm going to take the third. I'll take Jamar Chase who looked like Jamar Chase again last night. Yeah. I don't do that to you. Yes. That, that definitely helps. I wish they'd just give the man his money. There's a little bit of concern there because it's the Bengals, but I mostly just think that Chase and burrow are going to combine to basically be worth a first round pick in a dynasty super flex startup for the next three years probably

so love getting him at 10 still think like we're probably at least two more quarterbacks but i'll be interested to see what the audience does here. Chase is off the board. The top three wide receivers are gone. The top seven quarterbacks are gone. The audience gets to pick number 12, but first we've got you at number 11. Who are you taking? All right, so it's another quarterback. Of course it's another quarterback.

But maybe I'll leave that to team 12, or maybe I'll leave that to the audience, and I'll go ahead and pick one of my favorite wide receivers because it is around the same number of picks. So I will actually go here with Malik Neighbors. Malik Neighbors, okay, ahead of Marvin Harrison, up to wide receiver four in the Dynasty rankings. Yeah.

Ahead of Almon Ross Stoss st brown tell me all about it i know so this has nothing to do with my love for daniel jones or wanting to see him succeed as well uh but neighbors really is one of those guys where in his first three games i think he's third most uh targets uh from any rookie in the first three games. And so that to me, you know, targets are so important. And he's already getting alpha targets as a rookie. And I think that huge volume is only going to continue to grow. And he's already making spectacular plays and just showing that he was NFL ready. Now, Marvin Harrison Jr close he's close behind uh but i i think neighbors

is at this point the wide receiver one of this class um so that's you know i how could you argue anything against him flow's not going to be happy because flow wanted neighbors with the 12th pick uh someone said taste them and we're not doing that d Dylan wants CJ Stroud. Jerry says Brees Hall. I believe those are my top two players in Dynasty Superflex startup rankings. It's CJ Stroud and it's Brees Hall. Bijan's right there as well. So you probably need to pick one of those two guys. Alex says, give me Stroud or Jordan Love. The chat is on the clock there's stroud stroud daniels daniels juwan jennings lol that was good uh i i think i think we need to give the chat cj stroud and i'm gonna make a pick because this is a snake draft it's not a startup

you don't need to go back to the start with you again so cj stroud is the audience pick and i'm gonna take the first running back at the start with you again. So CJ Stroud is the audience pick. And I'm going to take the first running back at the beginning of round two. You're a guy. I wonder if this has probably gone pretty well for your dynasty teams. You're a guy that I think a lot of times takes running backs a little higher than dynasty experts do in startups. And it's been a pretty great year if you are someone who likes to take running backs in fantasy football. Yeah, I mean, there's just let me look at Saquon Barkley right now. I mean, I'm loving all of my Saquon Barkley shares.

And he was going even, I think, later into the third third rounds of Dynasty startups. And all he's doing is, you know, winning people weekly matchups right now. And so I am higher on running backs. I actually do think though, I'm shifting a little bit in that some of the top tier younger running backs right now, like a Bijan Robinson, like a Brees Hall. They're, they're just not getting the kind of usage, you know, that I would like to see. Right. Kind of from maybe the older school guys.

You know, Bijan Robinson has Algier, you know, kind of behind him, you know, taking cares. And even Brees Hall right now, seeing Braylon Allen and just what a massive man that young 20-year-old man is doing some work. Right. In the field. It does kind of hinder me a little bit from going maybe for those two like so i i've actually kind of shifted them down uh towards the middle to later parts of the second round i i i am with you on bijan i'm actually downgrading him a little bit um i i'm not as much on breeze because even with braylon allen being involved breeze is still averaging more than 20 touches per game and so if we're if we're going to do 20 touches a game for

for breeze hall then braylon allen can have his 10 to 12 and i'm not going to complain about it i will take him here at pick 13 we'll recap round one just one more time for for people people who want to catch up it's josh Allen. It's Patrick Mahomes. It's Lamar Jackson. It's Jalen Hurts. Kyler Murray goes fifth. Then our first non-QB, Justin Jefferson, Joe Burrow, CeeDee Lamb, Caleb Williams, Jamar Chase, Malik Nabors, 11th overall. The audience took C.J. Stroud.

I took Brees Hall to start round round two and you are back on the clock just take another quarterback all right yeah wait you know what i just i just realized something did we not did we not draft jayden daniels he's not been taken yet oh my goodness yeah i would not have taken neighbors ahead of daniels uh but because it's just us two i can take him here uh i think caleb williams i have right next to daniels so malik neighbors is the next wide receiver out of taken but jayden daniels is i mean he's just wowing everyone you know and and kind of putting anyone who had any doubts about his ability to pass to rest. Some people were just trying to say he's just a rushing upside guy,

but you talked about his percentages in terms of accuracy on his throws. We saw a couple long bombs that he threw to Terry McLaurin. He's doing it all. He's making the right decisions. He's going through his progressions, running when he needs to, and being safe about it. He even slid, I I think for the first time, and everyone was cheering about that. So if he can keep himself healthy and safe and keep on throwing the rock and, and running the ball, I mean, he's gonna, he's gonna do some really special things in the league. I try not

to worry about injury concerns. He is someone who I am just a little bit concerned about. So is the guy that I'm going to take next. And that's Anthony Richardson, who I am just a little bit concerned about. So is the guy that I'm going to take next. And that's Anthony Richardson, who's just had a disastrous couple of games. I think two weeks ago, he probably goes in the first round of this draft. Things have looked bad the last couple of weeks, but I still, I think that there is just as much upside as just about anyone. Yeah. And so young quarterbacks, particularly quarterbacks, he's basically a rookie with as many games as he played last year,

are going to have disastrous games. I hate to tell you this, but Jaden Daniels is going to have a game in the next probably month that he just looks like a rookie quarterback again. So that's okay. We shouldn't get too down on him. Anthony Richardson is taken.

We've started off round three with Brees Hall, Jaden Daniels, Anthony Richardson. You are back on the clock. Just four wide receivers taken, just one running back taken, and a whole bunch of quarterbacks. Where are you going here? Can I just make one note about Anthony Richardson? That was a little bit discouraging. So I saw PFF grades for pass blocking and run blocking and the colts

actually rate first for pass blocking and so his disastrous passing uh you know comes where really with the best pass blocking in the nfl so that is a little bit worrisome to me i mean he was throwing like absolute cannons to people just like 10 yards away and just trying to zip it in there like oh yeah it's it's been bad yeah yeah but anyway so not to detract from that i think that's good value actually because of his upside here um i'm gonna go with another quarterback here um and i'm gonna go with justin herbert um yeah i mean he's fallen out of the graces of so many people um but he's someone that i still believe in long term uh to be a quarterback who's going to lead his team um still phenomenal thrower and passer obviously uh but he's just lacking some weapons right now i mean he he's

making quentin johnston work and so you, you know, that, that alone should elevate his value tremendously that, uh, he's getting QJ some work, uh, and finding him in the end zone. Um, but right now he's in a team that is kind of, yeah, I don't know in terms of minimizing their, they're minimizing the impact of their best player. Yeah. i and i know like that they've won a lot more football games than i have and so i don't i don't want to to like say that i know more than an nfl head coach does but in terms of like scoring points it seems bad that we don't want justin herbert to do more um and so i i'm i'm just worried i think think long-term, I still believe, talent-wise, I think you're absolutely right.

He probably should have gone earlier than this. I'm a little bit concerned that he's not a top 24 quarterback. We've just drafted a guy in round two that's not a starter in a super flex league this year. Wow. But, you know, maybe the ankle will heal up. Maybe everything will be okay. I'm going to take another running back.

Thank goodness. Actually, I can't. I was going to. I'm still going to. I think it's worthwhile looking at who we've drafted with the first pick. And so I did start on this team with CeeDee Lamb. I don't, I don't have another quarterback that I want to draft in this spot or really

in the next three or four. I think some people are going to say Jordan love and you might, but I'm going to go ahead and take Bijan here and start a team with CD lamb and Bijan Robinson. I think what you'll generally see even in in startups, and you're right, this is the cheapest time to get quarterbacks. There are going to be some quarterbacks that go in rounds four, five, six, seven, eight that are starting quarterbacks that are going to cost you a first round pick to get in a rookie draft next year if you want to trade for them. So I'm going to have

to load up quarterbacks later in this draft. But is that team number eight is going to start off with cd lamb and bijan robinson and probably end up with sam darnold and daniel jones later okay um wow man i thought that breeze hall and bijan robinson would probably fall a little bit later. Yeah. But those are tremendous picks for running backs. I will go ahead and say Jordan Love here. Okay. Yeah, I think he's kind of the last of the QBs, I think, kind of in the second round. There are a couple guys that I want to squeeze in later,

like Purdy, Prescott, even Trevor Lawrence. I'm still not completely throwing him out, but you could probably get him later now in terms of value. So, you know, starting with Joe Burrow and Jordan Love for a super flex team, I think is a great start. And I was a little bit more skeptical coming into the year of Jordan Love. And then we saw him play one game and get hurt so I haven't had really any reason to change that yeah but I think if that makes sense if you were a Jordan Love believer then this this is about the spot that he should go and there might be another quarterback or two for me in the first two rounds but there's certainly not another

quarterback right now uh this is a starting another team without a quarterback. That took Justin Jefferson with team six in round one. I'm taking him on Ross St. Brown in the middle of round two here. This is a much better value than you usually see for him. A guy that oftentimes goes in the first round of startup drafts. Jefferson and St. Brown can make up for some bad quarterback play. We've seen that from both of them in the NFL. Okay.

So I got Kyler Murray here. You've got Kyler Murray. I think you've drafted quarterbacks with, what have you made? Maybe nine picks here and eight of them have been quarterbacks or 10 picks and nine of them have been quarterbacks. And Dylan said that the chat should get a pick in each round i agree you guys get the 23rd pick get ready for it it's four picks away jb's probably going to take yeah you know quarterbacks before then no no no those all right yeah as long as i'm reading this right this is a fun team that would start for team five oh yes

because another wide receiver is still on the board and I'm going to go here with Marvin Harrison jr. Stacking. I love it. This would be a fun team to start with. Yeah. I mean, he,

he, it's funny how much people panicked after week one. And then Kyler came out and said, it's not my job to, to throw the ball to him or something along those lines. And then people were like, dude, that's literally your job. So, you know, they quickly, of course, corrected on that. And, you know, since then, since week two, you know, it's only been a couple of weeks, but Marvin Harrison Jr. will be just fine.

Outstanding pick there. I love the idea of stacking Kyler with Marvin Harrison Jr. Let's recap round two real quick. We've got Brees Hall, Jaden Daniels, Anthony Richardson, Justin Herbert, Bijan Robinson, Jordan Love, Amon Ross St. Brown, and Marvin Harrison Jr. I'll tell you, if you're watching on YouTube and I'm squinting, this is testing both my eyesight and my memory as I try to piece together what color and how many letters there are. And guess what the name, I know that when you're watching it on your full screen, you can see it a lot better. The little box I'm looking at

is not quite as easy. So that's why I struggled with that reading. I do know how to read. So maybe a little bit of a wide receiver run happening here. I don't know if you agree, but I feel like we've maybe also hit a little bit of a tear break again with St. Brown and Harrison coming off the board. We talked about how there isn't another quarterback that you have right after Jordan Love. I hate to be the only person drafting running backs in this draft, but I do think that the next pick for me, like the place where there may not be a tear break, is it running back? Brees is gone. Bijan's gone. I'm going to take Jameer Gibbs with the fourth pick overall. I had a quarterback to start in Jalen Hurts, so this is not a zero QB team, but it is Jalen Hurts and Jameer Gibbs. Can I ask you a question on Gibbs, Heath? Yes.

So after seeing what he's done so far this season and the splits kind of with Montgomery, are you still, you know, you still have him just squarely as your RB3? I mean, he's still producing for sure. He's still putting up numbers, but, you know, he's definitely capped in terms of some of his production because of Montgomery.

Yeah, I think it was a weird game this week without any targets. But if you're telling me that he's going to be like what he was the first two weeks, 10 to 15 rush attempts and six or seven targets every week, then yeah, I mean, we know how much more valuable target. We like a 20 carry running back. We know how much more valuable targets, we like a 20 carry running back. We know how much more valuable targets are than carries for fantasy production. So I can live with that

as long as what happened in week three, the zero targets is not some sort of trendsetter because I don't want any part of that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm surprised you didn't go, I mean, there is one wide receiver that you could have done another fun stack with AJ Brown there.

I think actually I will go with Garrett Wilson here with the next pick. That's another guy that we were really excited about what he was going to be this year. He did get into the end zone at least last week, but we haven't seen the huge boom from him with Aaron Rogers yet. Yeah. I mean, and you see what Justin Jefferson said. He was like, with all due respect, you know, like I'm not Garrett Wilson. Exactly. I mean, there's definitely something different about, you know, some of the other guys that we've already taken Garrett Wilson.

I do think that he's going to continue to progress and grow into kind of the alpha role as the season wears on. Rodgers is being more intentional about targeting him. And I think that the two of them do have to kind of get more on the same page. You could tell that Rodgers still favors certain players, even like Alan Lazard, just guys he's used to, guys who kind of know where to be at the right times, even when Rodgers is kind of shuffling out of the pocket and things like that. So I think that that's a growing process. But in terms of the talent, I think that Garrett Wilson is still right up there. So I'm happy to have him in the late second in the Superflex Dynasty League. We've got people fighting about whether they can take him on Ross St.

Brown. He's been taken guys. So the only, only choice I see so far, Dylan says, Nico Collins is in it. Nico. It's Dylan again.

Come on. We've got to, we've got to, we've got a Puka pick. We've got an HN pick. Oh, I couldn't, I,

I, I don't think I want to go with HN. Yeah. It's not my pick, though. And Nico seems to be... Oh! That's an interesting one right now. How fast and how high do you move up Rashi Rice?

Jonathan Taylor. I think it's funny with Taylor how worried how worried people were about Anthony Richards and stealing the touchdowns. And Jonathan Taylor has just been absolutely incredible and somebody who hardly comes off the field, except unfortunately, when they scored a touchdown. Man, I'm going to let you choose because we did get somebody said that's the same guy saying Jonathan Taylor. Come on, guys. we've got we do have Patrick Mahomes here so would you take Rice for the stack would you take Nico or would you take one of those running backs oh man um so I have to choose one of the ones they said right yeah yes yes I mean because I see some quarterbacks that, you know, Ramachandra was putting out.

But I would say like, and I guess you probably don't think about it this way, but I think somebody might say, you know, if I like three quarterbacks, I get to pick again in three picks. Yeah. This guy's probably not going to take two quarterbacks. Now you might, you might, but most people are probably not going to start their draft off with three straight quarterbacks. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to go ahead and what are the choices you gave me here? One more time.

Nico, Jonathan Taylor, Rashi Rice, or Puka. Man, Puka because of his injury. I do have Puka high, but I do want to account for the injury right now. Sorry. have puka high but i i do want to account for the the injury right now um sorry i take this very seriously yes um i'm okay with rashid rice actually going into the third so i i'm fine taking him here you know to give the the audience their their pick uh we do have an influx at the last minute yeah we got a lot of a lot of people lining up to vote for rice i think that's a good pick you get to make why i hate to put that pressure on you but i think you're gonna take another quarterback you get to make one more pick for yourself now okay i am gonna take uh dak prescott here i i think that's

a good pick he's been fantastic people he's got the contract um you've got you're starting off with josh allen and dak prescott you're probably going to take another quarterback but we're not going to let you because we're going to take a short break when we come back we'll get kick off our waiver wire segment here it was from jacob friend of the show been listening maybe for as long as i've been here uh he said with andy dalton having a great week i was wondering which backup qbs are the best to stash and somebody asked earlier about like how do you get a quarterback sometimes it just requires carrying one who's not playing until they get a chance to play. So do you, do you have some backup QBs that you're making sure are rostered in your super flex leagues? So I actually do tend

to have some backup QBs, but to be honest, in most of my leagues, I have so many starting QBs that there's not necessarily that much room for backups. But I think that you have to target players who have produced at the NFL level before, or we've seen some production in relief of starters in the NFL. So one player I would say is Kansas City Chiefs, Carson Wentz. You know, we all know Patrick Mahomes is a magician on the field. I mean, Carson Wentz is a player who's shown that he could play, you know, quarterback at a very high level, has a Super Bowl ring, right? Although that was, you know, he got injured and Foles came in and everything like that. But he's someone that I would definitely roster on the Colts, right?

Joe Flacco came in for the Browns last season and just really lit up, showed that he could still sling it. And that's why he has a position now, right? This season as a backup for the Colts now. Speaking of the Browns, Jameis Winston. For sure. He was my number one guy. Yeah. I think he would be so much fun for that offense. Yes. Desun watson like he's someone that i actually advise many people to buy as low as you can on like before this season began because he showed me that in his limited time before he injured his shoulder again and things like that last season he's still running the ball so he's got a lot of value there um but jamis winston you know he's the 30 30 guy right like 30 touchdown 30 so we know, he's the 30, 30 guy, right? Like 30 touchdowns, 30 interceptions.

So we know that he would sling it. And for fantasy purposes, you know, that would be absolutely amazing that year. I think he was like QB three, even with 30 interceptions. Cause he just threw the ball so many times, uh, and through so many touchdowns. So, um, yeah. And, and flow adds Michael Pennix and yes, like the rookies, J.J. McCarthy, those are must-roster guys. Yeah, and they're probably already rostered. Looking for some veterans. One guy that was on my waiver list that may not be a backup quarterback anymore,

Aiden O'Connell took over for Gardner Minshew in the fourth quarter. Antonio Pierce is acting like we're having another quarterback competition in Las Vegas, apparently during this week of practice. I'm not sure that's a great sign for the Raiders that we're doing this already, but Aiden O'Connell needs to be rostered in every single super flex league. Um, I, I dropped Aiden O'Connell, I think after week two, maybe, which doesn't feel great right now. I think another guy who was rostered pretty much universally during the summer, but may have been dropped after week two was Roshan Johnson because he wasn't even on the active roster.

Like he was one of those inactives every week. And then Travis Homer can't play this week. And so they decide, you know what? Not only should Roshan play for Travis Homer, he should play for Deandre Swift sometimes too. And he looked better than Deandre Swift. You're a resident bears fan.

And so like Roshan johnson's a must roster player is he the best running back on the bears i mean i'll be honest so my my take on this swift has been so disappointing he really has can they just take the ball away from him and go to like a roshan johnson and khalil her Herbert duo and just be like, Swift, sorry, man. You haven't been doing the work. Adam Azer made the great connection last week on the podcast and it hurt me a little bit to hear it. But he said, DeAndre Swift is this year's Miles Sanders.

And that's what it looks like. Oh man, please don't say that. Please don't say that. I don't know that Roshan Johnson is the best running back on the bears. I think Herbert's the best rusher. Yeah. Herbert's the best rusher.

I still think Roshan Johnson, he can have a role, but I can't see them going away from Swift this quickly. I think they're going to still have him be the main guy, but I think they're experimenting a little bit just to kind of see what works. And I really hope my bears can put it together, but really without an offensive line improvement, all that's going to kind of see what works um and i really hope my bears can put it together but really without an offensive line improvement uh all that's going to kind of be moot well we

talk about how long a leash is yeah and like i think we should remember where that metaphor comes from it comes from like when you have your dog on a leash right or maybe some people i guess have their kids on a leash yeah and how long the leash is is like how bad is the kid or the dog yeah and so when you're averaging like maybe 2.8 yards per carry well we're going to give them a little bit more time deandre swift is averaging 1.8 yards per carry okay but have you seen the plays that they've given to him like did you see the one where all they needed was like a few inches at the goal line and then they call this play where they literally let the entire defensive line in like a flood and then he's backed up 10 12 yards i mean right play calling

has been absolutely atrocious that's true play calling like those things together have not been friends of deandre swift that said he does need to do better like no amount of vision like even barry sanders could not have gotten out of some of these terrible defensive barry sanders could have another former lions running back uh this is a good question dylan asked how much fab on emmanuel wilson and i was just uh writing up my running back preview he's he's looked very good behind josh jacobs we've got marshawn lloyd on ir emmanuel wilson's breaking a tackle every 5.3 rush attempts uh would you rather add emmanuel wilson or roshan johnson uh to be honest right now probably wilson yeah a little bit ahead of johnson just because i still

do think that it's going to be swift and her mostly, and Rashaun Johnson they called up, but I'm not sure how much they're going to actually use him going forward. Many people are clamoring for him to be the guy, but Emmanuel Wilson is an interesting guy because I think he's rostered in most of the dynasty leagues that I'm in, but he's definitely worth a pickup because Josh Jacobs, if if he gets hurt we've seen already from wilson that he has some standalone value they're giving him some touches and at the same time if jacobs were to go down like these are also like we talked about backup qbs rostering backup running backs is another way where you can really try to help build draft capital because once the starter goes down you happen to have the backup you You can move them for picks.

You can move them for other, you know, assets. So I would probably say Wilson ahead of Johnson. A couple of wide receivers here. Jalen Naylor just keeps scoring touchdowns. Trey Tucker just was the wide receiver one for the Raiders. For some reason this week, but we've got Jordan Addison coming back and there's so many pass catchers there in las

vegas do jaylen naylor or trey tucker actually matter so trey tucker he he's he's so he's such an interesting guy because he was he was drafted in the third round and a lot of times at least like that's good enough draft capital for people to at least have him on their radar but in several leagues like you'll find him on the waiver wire um you know people just kind of think of him as a little bit of a burner but i mean he showed this preseason and then he showed this past week that if you give him the work and you give him the opportunity he he is a player that can make things happen so he's definitely worth rostering these are the kind of guys you want to roster like potential high impact players like high potential high upside has physical

giftings to be able to do something special, even if maybe they haven't really gotten as much opportunity. So Tucker definitely, I think, should be rostered, especially in a dynasty league where a lot of times you have much longer benches, deeper benches. But Naylor, he's not going to be someone – none of these guys are going to be people you can really count on unless they start showing more string of games. then like you said addison coming back for

the vikings for nailer um and then hockinson i'm not sure if he's going to be back this season but when he comes back as another target right uh right so there's just a lot of things where for nailer it'll be very short-lived i think value. We've got also a tight end, the worst, like how many articles did we read this preseason about how tight end was finally good this year. And it's the worst tight end season of all time. It's so bad. Noah Fant just scored double digit fantasy points in a game.

So we have to consider him now. This Seattle pass attack and who's it's, it's fun. It it's exciting but who knows who's going to get the targets on a weekly basis yeah we saw jsn right like have a huge week and then next week is a total clunker if you see fans on the waiver wire and you're desperate at tight end is he someone you're considering so again in dynasty fans should already be rostered but if he's not please roster him because again you have kind of a prototype of guys you want at the end of your bench you want athletic guys and especially at

tight end you have guys that's why i was big on albert uh okwegunam right for a long time because he had the physical tools give him the opportunity he's flashed so he's someone that you could possibly see going down the line no offense is kind of in that same mold where you know that he can be a good pass catcher. He has the physical tools with Grubbs offense. You know, hopefully the whole, you know, passing game is being elevated. And so he's someone that I would definitely pick up. And this one kind of hits close to home because in one of my most important dynasty leagues, I played Mark Andrews. And I had Noah Fant on the bench.

And guess what I lost by? By less than that difference. The difference. Yeah. I sent in August a first round pick for Mark Andrews and it was denied. And after week one, I had sent a second round pick for Mark Andrews and the person just let it sit there. And I was kind of having a staring contest with them.

I just let it sit there too. And then after this week, I just withdrew it. I don't even know. Mark Andrews looks like an offensive tackle right now. Man, I'm scared. I mean, I don't have too much of Mark Andrews, but even just what coach is talking about like it's a game-to-game situation you know what he only saw like 30 of

snaps or something crazy like that you know this past game so uh i i mean that's just bad coaching right i mean we've seen what he can do when he's on the field get him on the field get the ball in his hands you barely have any wide receivers you're're over-targeting Zay Flowers. Mark Andrews needs to be up there. But all that to say, tight end is kind of a fun flux kind of position this year where you could get value. I picked up Mike Isecki in several leagues, even in Dynasty, because people had just been done with him.

Another athletic metrics guy that right now he's doing really well with you know the opportunity he's been given in cincinnati right joshua thank you so much remind everybody where they can find you on twitter sure you can find me at jb cho knows and uh you know i try to answer any questions that you might have anything fantasy related but also to be honest if there's anything that you want to talk about or if you're ever going through anything, I really try to make myself available. I know I'm just a stranger on the internet, but there's people who care. So I just wanted to put that out there. Awesome, awesome stuff. Always love talking to you about fantasy football and everything else.

I thank you. I thank the chat for being active today. Thank you, Nada. We will talk to you guys next week.