Fantasy Football Today - ADP Risers, Big News, Twitter Polls, and Emails (08/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: August 9, 2021Would you rather start your team with Travis Kelce/Joe Mixon or Ezekiel Elliott/Darren Waller? Dave and Heath weigh in and so do our Twitter followers! Also, why is Heath so low on Clyde Edwards-Helai...re (8:53)? ... A look at the big headlines (15:00)! Saquon Barkley could practice this week but Kenny Golladay remains out. Curtis Samuel is dropping in Heath's rankings. Is Laviska Shenault a riser? ... We tell you about some players who are making some noise in training camp and feel poised to rise up draft boards! Mecole Hardman (29:30), Zack Moss (32:10), Darnell Mooney (37:40) and more. Plus more Twitter polls about how to start your team (46:40). Barkley and Chubb or Aaron Jones and Diggs? ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Hey, what's up, everybody?
I hope you're in a good mood and ready to talk some fantasy football.
I'm in a good mood because Saquon Barkley might practice today.
It is a good day in fantasy football land.
You know, I thought we were going to have a lot of injuries to talk about,
but so far, you know, it wasn't that bad of a weekend.
Justin Jefferson seems like he's going to be okay.
But we'll talk about some players who are turning heads and making headlines.
Do you need to be drafting Darnell Mooney?
Is he pushing his way closer to the top 100?
We'll talk about it right now on Fantasy Football Today.
I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Heath Cummings.
Dave, I'll have you know that I discovered a new delicious pizza place
right in my neighborhood, and I'm very excited about it.
It was a great weekend in that regard.
And I discovered a terrible pizza place far from my neighborhood that was recommended to me over 10 years ago that I didn't get the chance to go to until this weekend.
What?
I've got a pizza take.
How weird.
Okay.
I like Detroit-style pizza better than New York-style pizza.
I don't know what that is, but you also don't know what New York-style pizza is, but go ahead.
Heath, can you clarify Detroit-style pizza?
Yeah, I don't know what that is.
It's a square.
It's a thick crust.
Yep.
And it's phenomenally delicious.
And where did you acquire such a pie? There is a newish place called Ra Ra's
in our neighborhood. And it is really, really good. I mean, I've had, the thing is, I know
exactly what New York pizza is because I had pizza in New York. I've never had pizza in Detroit.
I'm only getting, but like fake Detroit pizza is much better than real New York. I've never had pizza in Detroit. I'm only getting... But like, fake Detroit
pizza is much better than real New York
pizza. Okay, okay.
I can't wait to get Detroit
pizza when I go to Detroit this week.
That's good to know. I wish I
had known that before I went and found
a place that had a crust that
tasted like matzah. Oh, that's
never good. Alright, so... The topping quality
was good, but the crust was very matzah.
If you ever go to New York, don't do what Heath did.
Don't eat in Times Square.
It's a tourist trap.
There's bad pizza there.
Now.
What made your pizza so good?
Let's talk about football.
Let's talk about fantasy football here.
Hold on, hold on.
No, it was.
Your pizza.
Stop.
Come on, Dave.
You're.
Come on.
We need to talk about the important stuff, too, Adam.
I will promise you later I will give you the full pizza review.
But let's get to some Twitter polls here.
I'm fat, okay?
I like to know these things.
We did our tight end preview,
and you might be considering Travis Kelsey maybe as early as fifth overall.
I know a lot of people are very excited about him.
His ADP is around ninth overall.
I did ask this question on Twitter,
and I thought it was a really interesting debate.
I knew who was going to win because everybody hates Joe Mixon.
But which start do you prefer in full PPR?
Kelsey and Mixon or Zeke and Waller?
If I take Zeke, do I have to take Waller in round two?
Well, if you want the tight end, yeah,
because you're not getting him in round three.
Yeah, for me, this one's not.
And it's close in terms of perceptive value and stuff like that but in terms of projections i have travis kelsey like 40 points better than darren waller and i have zeke 20
points better than mixin so i would much much much rather have kelsey and mixin than waller and zeke
i'll go the other way i'll i'll take Zeke and count on the bounce-back year from him
rather than the bounce-back year from Mixon
while getting Darren Waller,
who is a downgrade from Travis Kelsey for whatever it's worth,
but I think Waller keeps going strong.
Yeah, I knew Mixon's going to lose every Twitter poll.
I could ask Mixon or Zach Moss,
and he's going to lose to Zach Moss at this point,
I think. But Kelsey and Mixon
got 46.5% of the vote.
Zeke and Waller got 53.5% of the vote.
It's kind of interesting because if you look at their
points per game in 2020
and I only did Zeke
with Zach first five
games. He was awesome.
He averaged 21.6 points per game
in PPR. But if you look at their points
per game in 2020 and their points per game in 2019, Zeke and Waller beat Kelsey and Mixon
both seasons, which I thought was interesting, Heath.
Well, yeah, but I really this frustrates me. I think it's why you do it but we are perfectly happy citing
everyone's Dallas stats with Dak but never thinking there's any chance that Dak will
repeat the stats that he did because we know they're not going to throw 700 passes and run
800 plays but what should I should I really take in his I don't think you should use a four and a
half game sample size that we know is not predictive I used all five number of plays I used all five games I understand I I unless and
I'm fine with this if we want to start talking about Dak as QB one then we can talk about CD
lamb with Dak and Zeke with Dak and all that but you can't use their stats in these games that we
know are like fairy tale land yeah. Yeah, I get it.
But what was I supposed to use for Zeke?
You could just say Zeke in 2019, the last season when all of these guys played a full
season under normal circumstances, Zeke and Waller were better.
Okay, fine.
That was part of it.
That was half of the analysis.
Okay, fine.
That was the good half.
All right.
All right. All right. So some split there.
And I think if you said Zeke and Waller, which 53.5% of the voters did,
that's a strike against taking Kelsey as early as fifth overall.
Because you almost certainly can get Waller with your second round pick.
And to be clear, I don't have Kelsey fifth overall.
I've got him seventh or eighth.
So I would take Zeke over Kelsey. I just wouldn't take waller and run two why
um because i think there's i don't think waller is going to be that close to kelsey
you think what do you think he's going to be in terms of the other players that you can get in
the middle of round two like he was actually better per game than Justin Jefferson in full PPR last
year.
I'm pretty sure he was better per game than AJ Brown.
He had a lot more catches.
I would,
I would rather have Calvin Ridley or Stefan digs or the Andre Hopkins.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I feel like they're off the board.
What are the range?
I would rather have AJ Brown too,
because I think he's going to take a step forward.
I would take Waller over Jefferson.
All right. You guys are fun. All right, Dave, because I think he's going to take a step forward. I would take Waller over Jefferson.
All right.
You guys are fun.
All right, Dave, we'll get you back in there in a second. Leave your mailbag questions in Apple Podcasts, and we'll answer it on Saturday's mailbag show.
But here's the thing.
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First of all, a couple things.
One, we would really appreciate a review in addition to the question.
We want people who haven't listened to the show
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Second, I'm more or less done with Keeper questions
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great all right i'm into that all right let's do an email here conrad from the third largest city city in Washington State?
Yeah, I'm drawing a blank on that. Spokane? That was my guess.
Maybe. Yeah. That would be a good
call. I like how
on the video, Shrek pops
in. Spokane?
Pops right out.
I just thought of a new team name. It's not
fantasy football relevant.
How about Jeremy Spokane?
Oh, gosh.
No, come on.
That's good.
No, no.
Subject line was, why, Heath?
How about Spokane like an idiot moron?
That's better.
Thank you.
I listen to all your podcasts.
Over the years, I've learned that my opinions are usually more similar to Heath's
as far as rankings go.
I've been listening all offseason on different rankings disputes,
but while putting together my own rankings,
I saw that Heath was much lower on Clyde Edwards-Elair.
I view CEH as more of a second-rounder,
so I would like to hear the reason why Heath is low
to justify me dropping him down my draft board.
Well, Conrad, I appreciate the fact that you think like me.
And if you think like me, then you should always embrace those times
when your rankings are different than everyone else's
because that's part of the fun of being us.
The reason that I am concerned about Clyde Edwards-Solaire
is because of his unusual rookie year
when he was a 70% of the snap guy,
67% all of the first six games of the season,
and then never again.
I think he had one game over 60% in his last 10 games.
The team brought in Le'Veon Bell.
In the playoffs, they favored Darrell Williams
on passing downs.
And now in training camp,
we're hearing about how good Jarek McKinnon is on passing downs.
And we're hearing about Darrell Williams scoring goal line touchdowns.
And I am just concerned.
If you remember Ben Gretsch from a couple years ago, he liked to talk about the trap backs.
The guys are going to get a bunch of carries, but they don't catch a bunch of passes.
And they don't necessarily do a lot in short yardage.
I'm afraid that Clyde Edwards-Alaire is a trap back.
He played 50 third-down snaps.
I almost said 35th-down snaps.
That would have been weird.
50 third-down snaps last year.
That's an average of 3.8 per game.
How does he improve on that?
How does he get more when they've got McKinnon and Williams there?
So I'm a little nervous.
I'm not entirely sure that the goal-line role is going to go to Daryl Williams,
but I'm also not entirely sure that the goal line role is going to go to Edwards-Hilaire
when Mahomes was dominating from inside the three-yard line last year.
So I'm nervous, too.
I do have him ranked higher than you do, Heath.
I still think that he's a contender for 1,200 total yards.
I think there's a pretty clear top 14.
I would put Chris Carson at the top of the next group.
But then I think there's just a bunch of guys from 16 to really 23 for me
that could be put in different places.
But Clyde's in that range and for a lot
of people he's a borderline number one running back you so you're saying you have Carson ahead
of him oh yeah I've got Carson I've got Gaskin I've got like I've got most running backs whoa
Gaskin wow yeah no it was a lot better than he was last year he was and he saw competition right
he saw almost twice as many third down snaps.
I think he saw more short yardage goal line work or more opportunities than Edwards-Hilaire had, too.
So it just depends on how much more they put on Edwards-Hilaire's plate,
and we don't have a good idea of that now,
and I'm not sure we're going to have that good of an idea of that
by the time the season starts.
And maybe because we don't have that good of an idea
it probably means that he won't get it i would just say like and coach speak can get you in a
lot of trouble but we've had a lot of trouble with edwards hilaire last year we've heard frank
wright come out and say we're going to treat jonathan taylor more like a feature back this
year and just work other guys in around him we We heard Sean McVay before Cam Akers went down talking about how that he can be our workhorse running back.
I welcome some information like that.
If the Chiefs or someone would say, I think Clyde Edwards-Lair is going to be a three-down workhorse back or Clyde's going to score a bunch of touchdowns, anything like that. I'd get more optimistic.
I haven't heard anything like that.
And you won't not from this coaching staff, because I don't, I don't think that they like
to talk that way about their backs until it's obvious.
Like once it's done on the field, like they were talking that way about Kareem hunt after
Kareem hunt became the guy a couple of years ago.
So I, I, I don't mind taking Edwards-Alaire in late round two,
but that's the earliest I would do it.
Yeah, and he is going 20th overall before Mixon,
which probably everybody is happy about, except for us.
He does hate Joe Mixon.
Dobbins, way before Dobbins.
I mean, there's a big drop.
There's Mixon and... Mixon and
Edwards-Elair are back-to-back. They're almost the same
exact ADP. And then
eight more picks. Seven more picks off the board
before Dobbins, then Swift.
Would you guys take David Montgomery?
Because Tariq Cohen is still
weeks away from coming back. They're saying Damian Williams
has been working on passing downs. Would you take
David Montgomery or Clyde Edwards-Elair?
I don't think Cohen is the problem anymore.
I think it's Damian Williams that is not really a problem,
but someone who is going to take some work away from Montgomery.
I do currently have Edwards-Elair ranked ahead of Montgomery.
I could see myself changing that.
I have Montgomery around and a half ahead of Clyde.
You just don't want anything to do with Edwards-Elair.
And I get it. I totally get it.
Well,
I look forward to the running
back preview because Jamie is
I think the highest on Edwards-Hilaire.
Optimistic about him. So we'll get a different
viewpoint there and that will be
tomorrow's episode. Thank you for
the email, Conrad. Let's do the news and notes.
So Saquon Barkley could come off the
pup list as early as today, Monday
and start practicing
and I'm not going to ask you to rank them right
now. Let's see how things go.
Have we had a podcast
since the Saquon Barkley might not
play until week three?
No.
We're both reacting to Saquon Barkley
maybe missing the first two weeks and Saquon
Barkley coming off the pup.
Why would he miss the first two weeks and Saquon Barkley coming off the pup why would he miss the first two weeks that was the report that they are not rushing anything and he will he in report said somewhere between week one and week three yeah he said it could be
as late as week three but they're not ruling out him coming back sooner. This is obviously good news. So bad news report
and a good news turn
of events.
I'm a little more encouraged with
Saquon now. I'm glad he's off the pup.
Okay. So he's
ADP is 12th right now.
How's that?
I'm comfortable
taking him at 12.
I am not.
Mix it or Barkley?
Mixon.
Mixon.
Wow.
Okay.
I want to just do a Twitter poll right now.
I think Barkley's going to get it.
The rest of America will.
I did a Twitter poll with Mixon, Barkley, and Jonathan Taylor.
And I think Mixon got like four votes.
Who got the most?
Taylor?
I think it was Barkley, actually.
Actually, I've noticed that people are much higher on Barkley than we are.
They're not as concerned.
Right.
Not as concerned as we are.
I might even do a Twitter poll.
I'm not going to waste my time.
All right.
Justin Jefferson has a sprained AC joint, shoulder injury.
He's wide receiver seven in ADP.
Have you guys moved Justin Jefferson down at all?
I have not. I, I'd like to learn if he's going to wear a harness to help protect his shoulder
for this season. And if we find out that he is, then I will move him down.
I was already too low on him compared to ADP. So I've just not moved him,
but I'm not getting, I might get him now. Where do you have him?
10. And his ADP is 7.
So that would mean guys like you have A.J. Brown,
Keenan Allen ahead of him?
I have Keenan Allen, Allen Robbins, and Terry McClure ahead of him.
Not A.J. Brown?
Yes, A.J. Brown's well ahead of him.
Okay.
Washington wide receiver Curtis Samuel.
He has been doing individual work.
He may not play in the preseason.
He is a round eight or nine pick.
Wide receiver 42 off the board.
This is Curtis Samuel.
He's going in between Mike Williams and Michael Gallup.
How would you guys rank those three?
Samuel, Mike, well, it's actually an ADP.
It's Mike Williams, Curtis Samuel, Michael Gallup.
I still have Samuel at the top. I believe I have Gallup ahead of Mike Williams, Curtis Samuel, Michael Gallup. I still have Samuel at the top.
I believe I have Gallup ahead of Mike Williams,
Mixon ahead of all three.
This is one where I'm making a downgrade
based on the news and the talk.
If they really don't know for sure
if he's going to be available
to complete a full practice
before the first preseason game
it's a new team and yes it's the same coaching staff from two years ago but it's a new quarterback
there's a lot of wide receivers they're getting targets from ryan fitzpatrick including adam
humphries who kind of plays the same role who fitzpatrick requested they bring onto the team
i'm i'm more and curtis sam Samuel is kind of a borderline guy anyway.
So he's outside of my...
I had him around 36.
I've got him closer to 46 now.
Mike Williams, big gap.
Then Samuel, then Gallup.
It's a good point that he's a borderline guy
in terms of average draft position,
but I know the people who like Curtis Samuel would say that he really broke out the last eight games of 2020.
He was he was really good.
And they're hoping that he builds off that.
And they're they're seeing Curtis Samuel as a potential breakout.
I didn't mean he was a borderline guy in terms of average draft position.
I meant he's a borderline guy in terms of NFL career.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I mean, it's true.
It's true.
But his last 10 games is what people are excited about.
His 16-game pace was 93 catches, 1,069 yards, five touchdowns.
And he was so much better than Robbie Anderson in that stretch.
All right.
Anyway, back to the news.
DJ Chark, finger surgery.
He's going to be out hopefully back in week one.
They're optimistic that Chark will be back in week one.
So now, Dave, is LaVisca Chenault the best Jaguars wide receiver to draft?
Because Chark, as of yesterday, was still the first one off the board.
I think I'd rather wait for Chenault at his ADP and Jones at his ADP,
Marvin Jones at his ADP, than take Chark at this point.
I still, I'm getting a growing sense that this is going to be
a spread-it-around type of an offense where there won't be one lead receiver.
I think you're going to see those three receivers chop it up
with their tight ends, their h back their 35
year old h back with travis etn i i don't know if there's a guy on this team that gets 100 targets
this year so taking charke in that round seven eight range i think is reachy i'm going to wait
on him and i'm i may pull him third on that list i might just move him so far down that I just don't draft him in any leagues.
Yeah, I updated projections a little bit
because I think, again, new coaching staff,
new quarterback.
I still have Chark projected to leave the team in targets,
but I actually have them back-to-back-to-back now.
Jones, Chark, Chenault.
Back-to-back-to-back in your rankings.
Yes, in terms of my projections.
Oh, okay.
All just between, I think, 37, 38, 39.
I would take all of them ahead of Curtis Samuel.
Oh, ahead of Curtis Samuel.
Okay, hold on.
I just want to follow up with this, Dave,
because you said you'd rather take Chenault and Jones
at their ADPs,
but I wonder, especially with Chenault,
if this is going to lead to a rise
in his average draft position. It might. It absolutely might, especially with Chenault, if this is going to lead to a rise in his average draft
position. It might. It absolutely
might, especially after this week. If he puts
up some nice film in the preseason, then
it absolutely will move up his ADP.
Fluid situation. Let's see
what happens with Chenault. I think
it might make Jones one of the better bargains
on draft day. Heath, my question
to you is, what are the target projections that you have
for these guys in Jacksonville?
I think it's probably higher.
I think I have them all over 100 targets.
I'm just trying to pull it up right here.
Yeah, so I've got 124 for Chark,
118 for Chennault, 118 for Marvin Jones,
71 for ETN.
Yeah.
I'm done taking any of these receivers in round seven for now.
You have to. Round eight
is where I think I'd probably be the
most okay taking Chenault just because he's
the healthiest guy that's got some
good PPR value, but I don't know
which ADP we're looking at and which
one we're using to figure out Marvin Jones, but I don't know which ADP we're looking at and which one we're using to
figure out Marvin Jones.
But after pick 100,
I'm in.
Would you take LaVisca Chenault or Devante Smith?
Still Smith.
Uh,
Chenault.
Okay.
Was that always the case or is that the injury?
That's the injury.
All right.
Speaking of injured wide receivers,
Kenny Galladay out two to three weeks,
hopefully with a hamstring injury.
Did we talk?
I don't think we talked about this, did we?
It was in the midst of our quarterback and tight end preview.
Well, we'll talk about it anyway.
I haven't read maybe a single good thing about the Giants offense
so far in training camp.
It seems pretty bad.
And Galladay out now. Shepard apparently is having a training camp. It seems pretty bad. And Galladay out now.
Shepard apparently is having a good camp.
You know, Galladay seems to be falling a bit in the ADP
since August 1st.
He is now behind.
I know he's behind.
Well, this says he's tied with Beckham.
I think he's probably going behind Beckham,
which seems a little weird.
But 66th overall, so that's a round six pick for Kenny Galladay.
Are you guys still okay with him in round six?
I've got him 73rd overall in my PPR rankings.
That's technically early round.
Sounds like we lost Dave's mic.
Yeah, but I agree with Dave.
End of round six, early round seven that's
a good place
for that's a good place
for Galladay and there's
upside from there it's just you can't have
any sort of faith in him I would take him
ahead of all of the Jacksonville
wide receivers I'd take him ahead of most of the guys we've talked
about today but he's not
I'm not sure he's going to
be in my top 30 when I update rankings at the end of this week Dave I'm not sure he's going to be in my top 30
when I update rankings at the end of this week.
Dave, I'm not sure if you can hear us,
but we lost your microphone.
Can you hear me now?
Yes, I can hear you now. There you go. You're back.
Okay. All right. Sorry if we cut you off there.
That was the reason why.
Hunter Henry hurt his shoulder in practice on Sunday.
It's not believed to be serious,
but this is pretty recent news,
so we'll react to it maybe later in the week.
And then some contract stuff.
Miami restructured Xavier Howard's contract.
They're star cornerbacks.
That's good.
Michael Gallup is not going to get a contract extension before the season starts,
so this will be his walk year, basically.
He'll be a free agent in 2022.
That's Michael Gallup.
They also, I think, don't owe any money to Amari Cooper beginning in 2022,
so Dallas' wide receiving unit could look a little bit different next year.
The Colts gave Darius Leonard, star linebacker, a five-year extension, nearly $100 million.
The Bills gave Josh Allen a pretty big extension.
Decent, I would say.
$258 million in six years, $150 million guaranteed.
Just $43 million a year.
It's okay.
Trey Lance is being prepped to play situationally this year.
You thinking that's like a Taysom Hill kind of deal?
Who's this, Trey Lance?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's maybe where he starts this season.
And that was kind of the hunch that we had all along
was that he would play just a little bit from,
from week to week early on and then eventually take over.
So almost like what we saw with Jalen hurts last year,
but I bet his timeline will be faster than Jalen hurts.
His timeline.
I was trying to remember how much did Lamar play his rookie year?
A little bit.
It was probably in the neighborhood of five snaps a game.
Excuse me until he got in there to replace him,
and then he was every snap.
I thought that this report about Michael Thomas
ignoring phone calls from the coaches and the training staff
during the offseason was pretty interesting.
What do you guys make of this, Michael Thomas?
Well, almost as interesting as his tweet today.
Oh, I didn't see it.
I think, do you have the exact tweet dave because it's i don't
want to misquote michael thomas let's go get that he'll come after you if you do i'll get it i'll
pull it up basically something to the effect of they try to ruin your reputation when you've saved
theirs by not telling everything no you know i'll tell you someone i'm afraid of there it is oh there
we go i i did pretty well.
I love the Comic Sans.
Okay, let's read it.
They try to damage your reputation.
You save theirs by not telling your side of the story.
All right.
Yeah, it's not.
Who knows?
Does this affect fantasy football at all?
I think that there's some frustration building between Sean Payton and Michael Thomas
over the timeline of
the surgery what I'm sorry what nothing I I concur I also think there's some frustration
building between Michael Thomas and Sean Payton yeah he's obviously I mean it just maybe it means
he's not going to rush to get back, you know?
It might.
It might mean he's not on the Saints for a whole lot longer either.
This season, I would imagine.
Yeah.
But what a mess.
I just wanted to say that I'm really glad that I don't cover the NBA
because I am so afraid of talking about Kevin Durant.
If you say anything bad about Kevin Durant,
he is coming after you.
That guy does not like to be slandered. Okay. So I love you about Kevin Durant, he is coming after you. That guy does not like to be slandered.
Okay, so I love you, Kevin Durant.
I'm glad that we live in the same state now.
We're like friends now.
Love you, KD.
All right, some players who are making,
oh, do you make anything about Darren Waller
and Julio Jones having missed some practices?
Is this a story?
I wouldn't worry about Waller.
Julio, I think we have to wait and see.
Obviously, he's an older receiver.
We know that he's dealt with injuries in the past.
I downgraded Julio just a little bit.
He's still in my top 15,
but I put him behind the Rams and Tyler Lockett.
Oh, wow.
Okay, Tyler Lockett. Yeah. Well, I know. i know yeah yeah nobody else ranks in there all right some
players who are making headlines let's talk about potential adp risers we haven't had a preseason
game yet except for the hall of fame game and i don't really know how much we're going to get out
of preseason it just seems like when i was a boy starters played a lot in the preseason especially that third
preseason game and now you just don't really see it as much but hopefully we get something to build
off of some some information to use at least there have been a couple of coaches Sean Payton
Vic Fangio who have come out and said that they're going to treat the third preseason game
like the third preseason game meaning because it's two weeks away from when there's actual NFL action,
they're going to play their starters into the second half.
Well,
did that wait,
hold on.
Did they say they're going to play their starters into the second half?
Because I feel like coaches are treating that third preseason game
differently now than they used to,
you know,
used to be able to kind of bank was as I remember it anyway,
bank on starters playing into the third quarter,
but I don't know that you do anymore.
If they were going to do that, if a coach was going to play their playing into the third quarter. But I don't know that you do anymore. If they were going to do that,
if a coach was going to play their starters into the third quarter,
then that's the game they would do it in is the third preseason game.
In the fourth preseason game, none of the starters play.
Half of the second teamers play.
It's usually the back end of the roster,
so they make good decisions on cut down day.
But that game seems to be gone.
I don't think the coaches are going to use any of the preseason games just for the back end of the roster anymore and i think ron rivera
said that uh this week they will be playing their starters in their first preseason game so i think
like we'll have some coaches that especially probably that have a lot of turnover that we
will see some of that um i have some not really breaking news but but Mikko Hardman is listed first on the,
on the first team on the chiefs first unofficial death chart.
I believe it's the first time he's ever been listed ahead of DeMarcus
Robinson.
All right.
And I,
we should start there because he wasn't even in this,
some players making headlines segment,
but he should be because he's having a good camp by all accounts,
Mikko Hardman.
So,
you know,
is this a guy that could push his way into Jaguars wide receiver territory?
He's there for me. I had him in my top 35 at the beginning of the off season. And then I felt like
a dope and I kind of made him into Marcus Robinson and Brian Pringle all in the same range. And now
he's clearly separated from those guys. according to every piece of information that we
get that people are writing features on how much better he is every single day we hear about him
making a great play everyone says it's clear he's the number two wide receiver so i've gone back to
projecting it like he's clearly the number two wide receiver and that makes him a top 35 wide
receiver for me i um i actually currently have him projected ahead of the Jacksonville wide receivers. I get the sentiment, and I'm not quite as encouraged as you are, Heath, so I'm going to
let you take him ahead of those Jacksonville wide receivers. I'd have to think about whether or not
I would take him ahead of Marvin Jones, as silly as that might sound to some of you. Last year,
and we can discuss this a little bit, only six times did a receiver on the chiefs
not named tyree kill give you at least 13 ppr points in a game six times all year now that
might have been because they were splitting up that number two role like some weeks it was sammy
when he was healthy and some weeks it was robinson some weeks it was hardman and if we're going to
agree that okay every week it's going to be Hardman and that's it, then maybe he gets six games with 13-plus PPR all by himself this season,
and that's not bad, but I don't know if that's somebody that I'm taking
where you're taking him, Heath.
Yeah, I've got a Mikkel Hardman-Azer stat that I put out on Twitter this morning.
Over the past three years, Sammy Watkins has averaged about six targets a game
in this Chiefs offense.
Six targets a game over
a 17-game season would be 102
targets. Mecole Hardman
has seen 103 targets in his
career. He has 67
catches, 1,098 yards,
and 10 touchdowns.
That is a damn good
stat. The only problem is, if it were a
true Acer stat,
you probably would have eliminated the games
that Sammy Watkins left with an injury, which is probably like
15 of them in that time frame.
Which would have made it even better, probably.
It would have made the targets per game even higher.
That's a really cool stat. I like that.
Yeah.
Okay, so
Antonio Brown or Mikko Hardman?
Brown. That's the range that i have man i would still take brown but that's that's for me the uh the range so this is like round eight we're talking
yep yeah all right let's go to our next one
zach moss so i'll actually throw it back to you heath
because you maybe you were less in on moss are you starting to buy it a little bit um i i am
not ignoring it and like i don't know that i'm in on moss i'm less excited about taking singletary
except he was going and he's like double digit round joe mixon um ADP only moves one direction. People hate Devin Singletary in round 11 or 12.
Okay, yeah.
I'm okay with Moss in the drafts where he's there round nine or later.
I don't really...
Like, I saw somebody talking about Myles Gaskin versus Zach Moss the other day,
and I've seen trey sermon versus
zach moss i guess that's but maybe a little better but it kind of goes back to the thing like the
difference for me between sermon and moss is that if trey sermon gets 15 touches a game he's probably
a top 20 running back if zach moss gets 15 touches a game. 13 of them are probably carries between the 20s.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Well, would you... Okay, so then let's not go that high.
How about Damian Harris?
I'd rather have Harris.
How about Ronald Jones?
Hey, come on.
That was my question.
Ronald Jones.
Okay, ask it.
Dave is going to tell you something about Zach Moss
that sounds like he's playing the game operation, but
about why Zach Moss might be a little overrated.
But yes, Ronald Jones or Zach Moss.
I'm taking Jones.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I've just made an adjustment to Moss, but it's probably Jones.
I mean, just look at how this run game has operated the last two seasons.
It's been mediocrity among running backs.
They're not getting a lot of work.
I think they ran the ball the sixth,
fifth or sixth fewest time times of all team RBs last year.
This is,
this is a Josh Allen centric offense.
Everybody that's watched the Bills knows that.
And Allen is the one that cleans up when it comes to red zone touchdowns on the ground.
That could change, though.
It really could change.
Give the operation.
How does that change?
Because they've had their opportunities.
They've had their opportunities.
Frank Gore two years ago, Zach Moss last year.
They just didn't do well with them.
Look, it's not like Allen's going to completely go away near the goal line,
but you are talking about potentially the number one offense.
They could lead the NFL in scoring.
I think we probably all would put them in the top five
if we were naming our five favorite offenses.
There's touchdowns to go around.
If he's going to be...
I don't know who gets the passing downs.
That's the thing.
I made the case that Moss was really... You know who gets the passing don't know who gets the passing downs. That's the thing. I mean, I made the case that Moss was really.
You know who gets the passing downs?
Josh Allen gets the passing downs.
I mean, someone's going to.
Devin Singletary had a decent amount of catches last year.
I'm saying if Zach Moss can get 35 catches and be the primary running back,
then I think he's a round seven pick.
He needs, and then this is the thing that I don't think is very likely
for either of them, and why
I'm just taking the one that goes in round 12.
I think both of them need
the other one to go away
to be a round seven pick.
I don't think there's a big,
I don't think you're going to see a situation
where Zach Moss or Devin
Singletary is getting 70% of the running
back touches if the other one's there on the team.
Oh, I don't agree with that.
I mean, I really feel like Moss has that opportunity.
I don't think Singletary does.
I don't agree with it either for a different reason.
I think if one of them goes missing,
I think Matt Breida gets in there
and gets some more opportunities,
and they keep going with a two-headed backfield
that doesn't get enough work.
This is a backfield I'm avoiding.
But you just, Adam,
you take Zach Moss in round seven, round eight.
I'm avoiding all these guys.
It seems like there's like,
there is something about Zach Moss
that you really like.
I think that the Bills
like him more than Singletary.
I think that they showed their hand down the stretch
last season and in the playoffs
before he got injured in the
one game. It's like a half of a game.
Yeah, but he was completely dominating the
carries in their most important game of the year
and the catches. So I think
they like him. And then every report,
well, there was one report about how Singletary was
good, but he's dominated
the reports. And that's all I've got to go on. I don't loveary was good. But he's dominated the reports.
And that's all I've got to go on.
I don't love to do that, but he is getting the buzz.
So I just sort of feel like they want to go with Zach Moss.
I'm getting a hunch.
It obviously could be wrong.
It's not based on all that much.
But that's it.
And the only problem is the injuries, Dave.
Not the only problem, but one of the problems is the injuries.
So go ahead. You can read the list. To me, it's the biggest problem is the injuries, Dave. Not the only problem, but one of the problems is the injuries. So go ahead. You can read the list.
To me, it's the biggest problem of all.
So this is a list of injuries that Zach Moss has accrued since 2018.
Here we go.
Ankle, knee, shoulder, hamstring.
Hamstring was in February of 2020, by the way.
Neck, August of 2020.
Toe, September slash October 2020.
Ankle, January 2021 that required tight rope surgery i keep
thinking he's going to a new injury he's giving dates i can't even count that was pretty bad
all right so that's a lot of injuries seven injuries i had eight but i was i was off okay
let's go to our next player making some headlines chicago wide receiver Darnell Mooney, who had 631 yards on 98 targets.
And his ADOT, you know,
I thought he was a deep guy.
His ADOT went way down late in the season.
I mean, it was like over eight only once, I think.
This is a Bears team
that has not had a number two receiver
at any position.
Tight end, wide receiver, running back,
with more than 821 yards since
2014. This has not
been the type of team that you want to
take two wide receivers on.
But could that change this year?
Is anybody excited about drafting Darnell
Mooney?
Yeah.
I'm interested if we're talking late round
10, early round 11.
And let me see the wide receivers going in that range.
Let's start there with Mooney.
All right, so we'll go 120th overall.
Am I on the running back list?
Because Gus Edwards and Latavius Murray are not wide receivers.
All right, 120th overall would be Mikko Hardman.
That probably will rise.
Jets guys, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis, Devante Parker,
Russell Gage, Marvin Jones.
Oh, and then the guy that I think should be a big riser,
Henry Ruggs, 133rd overall.
Would you rather have Ruggs or Mooney?
I've got Mooney one spot ahead of Ruggs.
Yeah, the only names you said that I would rather have than Mooney
were Hardman and Marvin Jones. I would
take him over all the rest of those guys.
Over Moore, over the two
Jets wide receivers, over Parker, over
Russell Gage.
See, I don't get that. I mean, why would I take
a second Bears receiver?
When you could have the number one
Jets receiver. No, when I could have the number
one Jets receiver might end up being a really
good receiver. Yeah, Darnell Mooney was a fifth
round pick. Elijah Moore was a much better
prospect. When I could have Russell Gage
in the Falcons offense,
when I could have Henry Ruggs, who was the first
wide receiver selected last year,
and John Brown is
on the second team right now.
I don't know.
This is not the kind of guy that usually breaks
out just from a opportunity standpoint.
No, but you said it late in the season at two games in November, a game in January,
he had nine plus targets and three of those.
And he's got a chance to see a little bit of a target boost just overall.
I'm not saying he's going to get nine targets every game but he had 98 on the season that's 16 games he's better at math than i am but i think that's going
to follow in right around six targets per game he could end up getting six and a half to seven
targets per game i will like him better when justin fields takes over because then those
those uh improv improvisational plays could help out Darnell Mooney on deeper throws
from fields when he's escaping pressure in the pocket.
And I think he's going to continue to see full-time snaps in this offense.
I don't,
I don't mind drafting him and putting him on my bench and hoping that he
becomes a number three receiver for my fantasy team,
but I don't see a ceiling of top 20.
Yeah, I think this, I mean, I don't know.
I don't know exactly what the ceiling is.
I don't, the whole, the Bears have done this since 2014 thing doesn't move me quite as
much just because I don't, I think they've already, if Andy Dalton plays 16 games, have
probably the best quarterback they've had since 2014.
I think Justin Fields is gonna be better than him. Bro, Andy Dalton plays 16 games to have probably the best quarterback they've had since 2014. I think Justin Fields is gonna be better than him.
Bro.
Andy Dalton was bad last year.
He's,
he's not in his prime anymore.
I don't know what the prime is for a quarterback or how to evaluate that
because Tom Brady was not in his prime for like four years.
And then he was good again.
Let's,
let's,
let's start with Brady versus Dalton.
You were talking about Mitchell Trubisky and Nick Foles last year. Yeah's start with Brady versus Dalton. You were talking about
Mitchell Trubisky and Nick Foles last
year. Yeah, he might be better than last year,
but in the last five years, they probably
had someone better than Dalton.
Dave, do you want to
run through the Bears? No, it's okay.
This is a team that threw about
360 passes, I think, to wide receivers
last year. Half of those might go down on
Robinson, but shipping Anthony Miller off
and basically having no number three wide receiver,
I expect this to be a very concentrated
passing attack at receiver.
I think there's a chance Robinson could have 160.
Mooney could be around 120,
which is about seven per game, like Dave said.
And I do think it's a good sign
when as a rookie you earn 98 targets.
Okay, very good point.
All right, so before we take a break, Marquez Calloway getting a little buzz for the Saints.
Troy Kwon Smith's been hurt, obviously.
Michael Thomas is hurt, and I called him and he didn't pick up.
And Brian Edwards for Las Vegas is running ahead of John Brown,
which is why I was talking about Henry Ruggs.
Do you guys make anything of these situations
in New Orleans or Vegas?
Two fun
places to have a bachelor party.
I like Callaway.
Okay. I like Callaway.
Tall, a little lean,
fast, and
there's a target drain there,
and someone's got to step up in the first few weeks of the
season so he's an easy receiver to look at and say i'll draft him late and if he doesn't work out in
the first few weeks of the year i can safely cut him because eventually michael thomas will be back
and i know that he won't become a breakout guy so that's how i feel about him i think you could
probably say the same thing about edwards and Edwards around later because he's he's got an injury history he's not exactly a burner he's
more of a big perimeter type of receiver he's like a low rent version of Allen Robinson if you want
to say something like that and no one's necessarily talking about him as being the go-to guy in the Las Vegas offense.
Adam, you love Henry Ruggs.
We all know how good Darren Waller can be.
Easy with the love term there.
I'm interested.
You want to be BFFs with him.
I think Edwards might be good for five targets a game early on,
and if he doesn't do anything with them,
John Gruden will switch to Hunter Renfro or Zay Jones or somebody like that.
The only thing I disagree with is I don't think we're giving Brian Edwards quite enough credit.
All evidence we had coming into last year is that Brian Edwards is a lot better than Marquez Calloway.
He was a third-round pick. Calloway was undrafted.
He actually ran a slightly faster 40 than Calloway, so I don't think Callaway is faster than him. I would rather draft Edwards than Callaway,
but I expect Callaway would possibly be better early in the year
until Thomas is back.
Right, so that's why I'm taking Callaway first.
And we're going to take a break.
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Welcome back to Fantasy Football Today. Okay, Dave, somebody told me, my neighbor told me,
you got to try this new place, the Beekman Ale House, if anybody's local, get their pizza.
So it's a 12-inch pizza, which is a really smart size for a pizza
because it's a little bit too big for most people,
but too small for two people.
So you have to order two.
Or one big person.
Yeah, you and I, I mean, any of us,
I would have taken the whole thing down.
That's fine.
But we got two.
We got a plain, just regular cheese,
and we got a barbecued chicken.
I love barbecued chicken pizza and it had bacon on it which i actually removed but i'm sure it was great uh had some onion on it it was oh drizzled with barbecue sauce very very thin
crust very very crispy and i don't i can't really describe the taste but it just had this
oh i've got several words right now I could use to describe the taste.
Well, then just think about the cheese pizza.
I need screen grabs of Heath's face over the last 30 seconds.
You need screen grabs of the pizza.
In fact, I will go upstairs and get a slice and show you if that would help.
Would you like that?
I could do that while we do a Twitter poll.
Ben, what do you think?
I don't know if that would really help to see a day-old pizza slice.
Oh, that looks nice.
This is some real pizza on Saturday night.
There's no barbecue chicken on it.
It was great.
Had to share this because that's real pizza right there.
All right.
Now, that is – this is kind of different once in a while.
I don't know if it's once in a while.
It was really good.
You know how everybody else feels about pineapple pizza and how they say it's so bad and not real?
That's how I feel about barbecue chicken pizza.
I love pineapple pizza.
I mean,
throw a little ham on there.
Come on.
All right.
Excuse me.
Twitter polls.
PPR league.
Which start do you like better?
Devante Adams and Clyde Edwards.
That's going to be tough for Heath.
Or Austin Eckler and Calvin Ridley.
Devante Adams and Clyde or Eckler and Ridley?
I'm taking Eckler-Ridley.
Yeah, that is tough for me,
but I've got a not really that tough because I've got Eckler about 70 points better than Clyde and I've only got Adams about 40 points better Adams and Clyde Edwards-Elair or Eckler and Ridley.
Now, what if it's Mixon instead of Edwards-Elair?
What if it's Adams and Mixon or Eckler and Ridley?
I'd much rather have Adams and Mixon.
Yeah, I think I would too.
Okay.
I have Mixon one spot behind Eckler.
Listen, Joe Mixon, attention.
We really need you to come through this year.
Okay? It would be huge
for us as a podcast.
All right. Next up,
half PPR league. Half PPR.
Which do you like better?
For this one, I actually just used the
NFC average draft position since
August 1st. Aaron
Jones and Stefan Diggs are
going, I think, 11th and 14th overall. average draft position since August 1st. Aaron Jones and Stefan Diggs are going
I think 11th and 14th
overall.
Nick Chubb and Saquon Barkley
are going 12th and 13th.
Would you rather start your team in half PPR,
Barkley and Chubb,
or Aaron Jones and Stefan Diggs?
Wow, this one's not even close.
68% Jones and Diggs.
Yeah, I'll take the other side i'll take the running backs it's easier to take the barkley chubb side now that barkley is coming
off the pup list assuming that to be true that means that we'll get him for a majority of the
season it's not full ppr so that lowers exactly the number that digs will give you from game to
game and i like getting running backs early
so I will take Barkley and Chubb
it's not full PPR but I just want to say
this for the purposes of
if it was full PR
I actually have Jones and Diggs
both ranked ahead of Barkley
and or Chubb
if it's full PPR
if it's full PPR this is like
it should be 100% Jones and Diggs.
Sure.
Would you agree with that, Dave?
Yes.
If it was full PPR, I would take Jones and Diggs.
But Heath, you said you'd still do it half PPR, Aaron Jones and Stefan Diggs?
I would, yes.
Over Barkley and Chubb.
Interesting numbers here.
Diggs averaged in half PPR, according to FFToday.com, 16.6
points per game,
which was great, but it was five points
fewer per game than Devontae Adams.
Now,
I would say that Diggs was unlucky with touchdowns.
He had 168 targets,
most in the NFL, I believe,
and he had only eight touchdowns.
He had 10 fewer touchdown catches than Devontae Adams,
so unlucky there, considering Josh Allen threw, I think, 40.
But Diggs averaged 16.6 points per game.
That was...
So Nick Chubb was actually better than that,
slightly.
But, you know, if you A's are statted
and you remove the Dallas game when he had six carries,
then he was significantly better.
Barkley...
And they had the polar opposites
in terms of touchdown luck last year yeah barkley
in his rookie year and his second year he averaged more points than digs averaged last year
uh in half ppr in fact he was a lot better in his rookie year so
you know just those numbers really made me favor running backs at that spot in half ppr
yep um you know people, do you go with your
PPR strategies and rankings or your non PPR if you're playing in a half PPR league?
And I think a lot of times our answer is PPR, but I've always kind of lean more toward running back
over wide receiver. And this is an example why I think you should. It's just that often the decisions that we're making
in half PPR are running back 10 against wide receiver 2.
It's not that anybody's saying wide receiver 2
is better than running back 2.
No, but I'm saying that Nick Chubb,
I would take over Diggs.
I wouldn't take him over Hill, but I would take him over wide receiver three.
It depends on how much of what happened last year you think is in.
If Chubb and Diggs score at the same rate they did last year,
then that would be a good decision.
If Chubb scores at the rate he did the year before,
that would be a bad decision.
No, because he averaged more points than Diggs.
Oh, wait, did he?
Certainly not in the game scream no he averaged 15.2 points per game in 2019 uh with eight touchdowns which
is how many okay all right so good context they both scored eight touchdowns chubb did in 2019
digs did in 2020 and when they scored eight touchdowns dig digs crushed chub 16.6 points per game to 15.2 points per game.
And that was with chub getting 36 catches,
which were pretty much all before Kareem hunt came.
So I guess that's a good point.
If they score the same amount of touchdowns,
maybe digs does win in half PPR.
Okay.
Fair point.
Dave,
who would you go with digs or chub in half PPR?
I would go with chub and you would go with digs? In half PPR, I would go with Chubb.
And you would go with Diggs, right?
Full PPR, I think I would go with Chubb, too,
just because I'm hoarding running backs this year.
But it's a lot closer in full PPR.
Like, I wouldn't fault you if you took Diggs ahead of him.
All right, let's do emails.
Here we go.
From Sal from the Electric City,
which is apparently Scranton, Pennsylvania.
My question is about two receiver leagues with a flex.
On Friday's podcast, you discussed prioritizing tight end
in two receiver leagues, not necessarily three receiver leagues.
I think you guys, Jamie and Dave, talked about that
on the tight end preview.
Shouldn't the same apply for the mobile quarterbacks?
I think he probably means like the top five or six quarterbacks
as well is it as simple as just drafting best player available and or filling your starting
roster spots if it's just a two receiver league instead of three receiver leagues
yeah because just overall the pressure is off of taking wide receivers right so every position will
kind of go up in terms of need to draft because you only need to start two wide receivers right so every position will kind of go up in terms of need to draft because you
only need to start two wide receivers and the smaller the league the more you can veer toward
best player available because you can go and find other uh other players at other positions
pretty easily because everybody's going to have an all-star team if it's eight teams ten teams
something like that and i will like i
don't think anybody else necessarily agrees with this but it's never stopped me yet um i also think
in non-ppr quarterbacks are more valuable yeah because why because they make up a more because
the elite wide receivers and the pass catching running backs are closer in value than they are when the catches count.
The catches help make those elite wide receivers worth more.
Right.
Right.
They lose value in non-PPR and quarterbacks won't lose any value.
Right.
And that's why I took in the draft that we did last Tuesday, I took Mahomes with the 25th pick.
I don't think I'd do that in full PPR.
That was a non-PPR draft.
Okay, from Jim.
Maybe I missed it. By the way, Heath,
do you have more of a mustache,
like a true mustache now than typically you do?
No, I just
think the sun's hitting on my face a little
bit. I haven't shaved yet this morning.
And the microphone covers your chin, so all I see
is a mustache. We don't get to see that soul patch.
Yeah.
It's almost shaped in a heart look at you there it is oh there you go mustache man okay uh from
jim maybe i missed it but have you guys discussed the extra game week and how it will impact the
fantasy playoffs are you keeping the playoffs weeks 14 through 16 adjusting them to 15 through 17. What are you doing with the extra week?
I'm extending the regular season of fantasy one more week.
So now you should play 14 weeks. Your playoffs start in week 15.
They'll end in week 17.
And then week 18, you can do whatever you want with it.
Have a toilet bowl for your league or a battle royal or absolutely nothing.
But I think the league's
decision to go to 17 games for every team means that fantasy managers get one extra game every
year too okay from jpr you should view a second
flex spot as bumping the wide receivers up a little bit and in non-ppr you should view it as
bumping the running backs up a little bit because in full ppr a flex should most generally be a
receiver and vice versa and none and i think think, okay, we got to clarify,
are we talking about a three receiver league
with two flexes?
That's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of talent.
And to me, I don't value tight ends as much
in leagues that have more starters,
except for the top three.
I don't, do you guys agree with that?
Every flex you add
reduces the value of every other
position. Yeah, and since
tight ends are kind of low scoring,
again, I'm not talking about the big three.
Maybe not
some of the others.
I'm not taking
Noah Fant. I'm not taking Dallas
Goddard. I like Fant.
I don't care. I'd rather just
use a tight end like in my last pick.
Wouldn't it be relative? You would take Dallas Goddard
if it was at the right spot
in the draft. Yeah, but...
I'm sure you'd take him, and I'm sure you'd consider him
for one of those two flex spots
if need be.
I'm sure he wouldn't be your first choice.
If Dallas Goddard's one of my flexes, I feel like
I've gone wrong.
You don't plan on him being one of your flexes.
You'll draft him as a round 10 pick, as depth and a quality player for your team.
This is an imaginary world where he's going in round 10.
Well, no.
In a league with two flexes.
That's what you're doing with players that you're taking in round 10 anyway.
In a league with two flexes, he probably could go.
Maybe, you know, he could go in round 10.
I think people are going to race to fill their second flex spot
before they take their tight end if they didn't really invest in tight end.
I think they'd be open to doing that.
I don't know if it's a definite thing.
All right.
Well, you know, I'm just curious about Goddard's real value
because I think we've seen his ADP for so long
with people just assuming that
Zacherts was going to be gone. And lo and behold, he isn't. So I'd like to see more drafts before
we really figure out where Goddard's going. And we still don't know for sure that he won't be.
True. True. All right. Brian from Long Island. I've been listening to your podcast,
wondering how to best evaluate when someone says, I draft X, Y, Z at the 4-5 turn.
It's too soon to take X, Y, Z.
You've got to wait at least the 8-9 turn.
Really? All right. Well, fine.
No, but his question is,
since we're always talking about 12-team leagues,
now let's turn it to a 10-team league.
How do I translate that to my 10-team league?
If you say draft someone at the 4-5 turn,
do I just make it a round later?
It's drafting fifth in a 10-team non-PPR league,
and I'm wondering if Waller in round two is too early.
Yeah, in a non-PPR league, taking him 15th overall?
Or is that 16th overall?
He said non-PPR?
Yeah.
It's probably too early
in a night early here all right what about the next round what about yeah then that's fine
but you might end up getting kittle and not waller like if you have to have waller
you're gonna have to reach um when my when i say four or five turn that's kind of code for
right around 50th overall in a 12 team league those are picks 48
and 49 so it's just right in that range in the draft so in a 10 team league 50th overall is the
end of round five so or no 15 team league 10 team oh i'm sorry 50th overall last pick around five
i'm right right you are correct. Even I know.
Finally.
Finally, I got something right.
So I would say
when you hear us talk about
a four or five turn,
yeah, dock it about a round.
Yeah.
Also sounds like a dance move.
A four or five turn.
A four or five turn?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
I did that in my bar mitzvah.
There you go.
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