Fantasy Football Today - Ben Johnson, Top 12 TEs, Fantasy Cops! (01/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

We react to the Bears hiring Ben Johnson. How big of a boost is this for Caleb Williams, DJ Moore and the rest of the offense? And what about Josh McDaniels with the Patriots (11:30)? ... We rank our Top 12 tight ends for 2025. Is it Trey McBride or Brock Bowers at the top (19:15)? How about TEs #3-#6 (22:40)? Did Travis Kelce make the cut? Then we reveal TEs #7-#10 (31:15) with no consensus among this group, and finally the last two TEs (40:40) in our Top 12. We tell you why Tucker Kraft could be a sleeper. Did Dalton Kincaid make the Top 12? ... We hear from the Fantasy Cops (48:30) on some dynasty league shenanigans ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Oh my god. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. ["Fantasy Football Theme"]

Happy Wednesday, everybody, and welcome to Fantasy Football Today, presented by FedMGM, the sports book born in Vegas. We got a lot to talk about today. We got new head coaches and offensive coordinators. We've got our top 12 tight ends for the 2025 season. We got the fantasy cops and we've got your emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.

We love fantasy cops, so please send in any of your league disputes. Just put fantasy cops in the subject line, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Not a lot of league disputes in the off season, but for dynasty, you know, there's always something cooking. Okay, guys. We got Ben Johnson being hired for the Bears.

We got Josh McDaniels being hired as the offensive coordinator for the New England Patriots. Jacksonville might sign or might hire Liam Cohen, the offensive coordinator for Tampa Bay. So we got a lot going on here. But who is super pumped, super excited for Caleb Williams in year two? I mean, I have him as a top 12 quarterback anyway, anticipating that the Bears would do the right thing and pair him with a smart

offensive coordinator. I did not think they would pay up for Ben Johnson, but they did. And that is exciting. Are you interested in some Ben Johnson, but they did. And that is exciting. Uh, are you interested in some Ben Johnson stats? Are you, are you going to, uh, are you going to be a bears fan again? You back? He's always been a bear. He's always been a bearish fan. I swear to God, I am not ever going to be a bears fan again. I don't think, I don't think we've ever told the story, at least not in many years about what Dave used to do Fridays before bears game with two of our coworkers.

That was back when I was a Bears fan. I don't know this was he, did he get it? I'll save it for the end of the show. Hopefully you don't remember. Three years as a play caller in Detroit, Ben Johnson, fifth in play success rate, third in place per game, third in yards for play second in EPA per play first and three and out rate. That's good. First in yards per drive, first in points per drive, first in points scored. This is it. He needs to improve the offensive line, but at

least now a play designer and a play caller with huge attention to detail will use a lot of play action. It's gonna be very good for Caleb Williams. That was a lot of receivers gonna be great for the bears. I hope so. So the play action thing, yeah. I mean, that's a big deal. He was one of, he had one of the lowest play action rates in the NFL.

Jared golf had the highest play action rate in the NFL this year. I think he was something like 14th, the first year under Ben Johnson, then 10th or ninth the next year, and first this year. But it is interesting, I mean, one thing Ben Johnson's teams haven't done much is pass. They have been on the run heavy side their pass rate out of 32 teams in three seasons in Detroit,

19th, 22nd, and 26th. I don't think anyone has any doubts about the creativity of Ben Johnson. I mean, he ran a play where they pretended to fumble the football and ended up being a touchdown. And who was that against? It was against Chicago. And I think I read that he did that because he saw a Green Bay Chicago play where Green

Bay I think actually did fumble the snap or something and it ended up being positive. So he faked it. I don't know, just crazy. He's very innovative, but this is not the same personnel. It's not the same type of team. So Heath, are you as sold on Ben Johnson going into the Bears as Davis? I think that there's a lot more mystery going in with the Bears because like what does he want to do at running back?

Which, which of the wide receivers becomes the guy who's going to see 10 targets per game. Cole Comet, we're going to talk about top 12 tight ends. Cole Comet was not one of my top 12 tight ends when we sent back our lists in on January 2nd, should Cole Comet now be a top 12 tight end. Um, but yeah, I didn't have Caleb Williams ranked as a top 12 quarterback for next year. And I had Justin Herbert at QB 12. I'd put Caleb Williams in the top 12 now. Also, we got to see if Keenan Allen's coming back because he was a big piece of

this puzzle. He's a free agent. I think he was on pace for 136 targets and was actually a top 16 wide receiver in the second half of the year after they fired their offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. I don't know if you want to talk just real quick about DJ Moore, DJ Moore. So we thought you know, with Roma doonsay being added with Kenan Allen being added in 2023. DJ Moore was a top 12 wide receiver. He was number six overall. He was number nine per game in PPR.

He had 136 targets. You figure, all right, targets probably gotta go down. Actually, the targets went up. He had 140 targets this year, even with the addition of those two receivers. He is now one of seven wide receivers over the last five years to get 130 or more targets and not get a thousand yards.

Uh, DJ Moore had 966 yards on 140 targets. What a strange career he has had after finishing as a top 12 wide receiver per game. He was wide receiver, 27 per game in full PPR. And there was just no predicting it with DJ Moore. Uh, who, who's going to have him in the top 24 next season? He'll be close. I mean, you know, again, seeing what happens with Kenan Allen's Who's going to have him in the top 24 next season? He'll be close. I mean, you know, again, seeing what happens with Keenan Allen's big, seeing where, you know, Ben Johnson decides to line up

DJ Moore is big, you know, I mean, he, I was reading some stuff about their draft evaluation on Amara St. Brown and the fact that they decided to make him their slot receiver was a big part of what Amara St. Brown's success has been. And so does DJ Moore profile Moore as a slot receiver? Let's say Romo Dunze does who was you know used as a big slot times last year. Obviously Ken and Alan spent some time in the slot last year. They sort of moved those guys around you know so if they keep you know DJ Moore in more of that role of the Mara St. Brown role, I mean,

obviously, I was going to be so excited about him, you know, so I would be very surprised if he's not a top 24 receiver or again, very close, you know, so we spent some time on Monday show talking about, you know, like where Jameson Williams is going to be ranked. I forget who else we were looking at. I know we, or I think Adam, you and I did this on Express. It was Khalil Shakir, Jamesonon Williams and I forget that the third guy was That we were discussing it was in Coming off of the Zay Flowers. Oh, it was a flowers, right?

You know, so I think he's better than all three of those guys for example And you know those guys were all I think we were saying right around At least for Williams and flowers like right around wide receiver, you know top 30 so It'd be very surprising if DJ Moore's not. Regarded in that range, just based on this move and what his career has been, by the way, Liam Cohen has decided to stay in Jacksonville. I started saying Tampa, excuse me. Oh, he's turned down the Jack.

He's he's taken it according to Schefter. He's taken himself out of consideration for the Jacksonville job. Wow. Wow. He also got a big raise apparently from the bucks. Well, of job. Wow. Wow. He also got a big raise apparently from the Bucks. Well, of course. Yeah. I do think like the DeAndre Swift one is really interesting because you mentioned it, Adam.

This has been a very, very run heavy offense and lots of rushing touchdowns. And Ben Johnson and DeAndre Swift overlapped in Detroit by one and a half years. And in that season, Jamal Williams got 262 carries and scored 17 touchdowns. Deandre Swift saw 99 rush attempts and scored five in 14 games. So I just wonder if there's a new running back coming into town. So you're not going to put Deandre Swift in your top 24. Well, I mean, if we get to the draft and there's not like significant competition added, I think you have to.

Yeah, but short of that, I think he's not going to be. And I'd be a little surprised if he was the main running back again in Chicago. Really? Yes. Well, what's his contracts then? I mean, I'd be surprised if he's not. He got a pretty big contract last year. I don't know.

It's a coaching change. And the coach they just hired chose Jamal Williams over DeAndre Swift. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, it could be great for Rochon. You know, I mean, if that's the case, because he's still on his rookie deal. But are they going to, they don't have a lot of draft picks.

That was, that was 2022? Yes, 2022, Swift was still in Detroit Detroit and Ben Johnson was officially the OC then. That was his third year. It was coming off a pretty good year. Average 5.5 yards per carry that year. Wow. Why didn't they get more care? I'm sure I was freaking out about that.

I remember I hated that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He's going to be a bear unless they want to have almost $9 million dollars count against them or 9 million in dead money. Uh, he's got two more years left on the contract after this year. He might be gone, but like Kareem hunt could do what Jamal Williams did that year. Like they get, they don't have to go spend a lot of money to add, uh, uh,

uh, between the tackles runner and put DeAndre Swift back into the role he was in in Detroit when Ben Johnson was there. All right. Let's move on. I just want to give one more stat here. I did a lot of digging on the Bears and I wish we could spend a whole show on it, but we have a whole off season. But DJ Moore, just last thing on him, he has now been on a team that's finished in bottom five in gross passing yards per game, four straight seasons. And he's never been on, oh, no, six straight seasons. I played the league seven years, six straight seasons. His teams have thrown 20 or fewer touchdown passes.

Has he ever had the same quarterback and the same offensive coordinator in back to back years? I could check. It's a great question. Is it? He's really had some bad situations. We had the Baker's worst year of his career. He had darned for a while. Uh, here's a, here's a fun trivia question that's impossible to get.

So I said, DJ Moore is one of seven wide receivers over the last five years with 130 or more targets and fewer than a thousand yards. One guy did it twice. You named the wide receiver who twice in the last five years has had 130 or more targets and fewer than a thousand yards. Deontay Johnson. Hey, very good. Very good. Also, I think Wondell Robinson may have just had the worst season in wide receiver history. He had 140 targets and not even 700 yards. Someone's going to have to look into that. All right.

Jamie, what do you think about the Patriots bringing Josh McDaniels back in town as their offensive coordinator? The success rate is pretty good when he's been in that role for that team. I don't think it can get worse for Drake May May than it was last year so I think this is an upgrade. He correct me if I'm wrong he was the coordinator there for Mack Jones's rookie year? Yeah I'm pretty sure Mack Jones had by far his best year with Josh McDaniels and then was it the Garoppolo year with Devontae Adam that was that his year? in Las Vegas

Yes He's got a pretty good resume Well, not as a head coach, but yes as a play call You know some guys just better off being in the second chair as opposed to being in the first chair And you know that seems to be the career path for Josh McDaniel So there's there's a good track record of him with this team. I think last some success. I meant Derek Carr. That's why Derek Carr, with a pretty good year in 2022 with Josh McDaniels, not Garoppolo. Sorry, Jamie, go ahead. So you know, hopefully he gets the best out of Drake May. This certainly is a plus for what this this team needs, you know, so good leader at the top with Mike Rable and now an offensive guy that had some success with, you know, quarterbacks and obviously

with this franchise. So yeah, Drake may is going to be a top 15 quarterback for me too. I think we should rank Bo Nicks, Caleb Williams and Drake may now. I would still go in Nick's Williams may. I'll take Williams first. The Knicks over Maystel. Yeah, for now, for now. For now.

I'm just happy all three of these guys have like solid to good play callers, maybe great in the case of Bo Knicks, working alongside them and they all have a chance to be in offenses that will add talent to them. Patriots have... I don't think there's any reason to poo poo any talent to them. Patriots have. I don't think there's any reason to poo poo any one of them. The Patriots have by far the most cap space in the NFL. $120 million, according to Over the Cap.

The Bears have the fifth most, that's $66 million. The Patriots actually, I'm sorry, who's the other team, the Broncos? They're not bad either. They're like middle of the pack, 35 million, but the Patriots have almost 30 million more dollars in cap space available than any other team. So it's not a great free agent class. T Higgins is the prize, but he could be a Patriot if they want him.

There was that rumor mid-season that they were going to spend whatever it takes to get T Higgins. Yeah. All right. And so the Jets reportedly are likely to hire the Adams to the to the Patriots, Detroit defensive coordinator, Aaron Glenn, as their head coach, according to the athletic that's barring anything unforeseen. The Colts hired former Bengals defensive coordinator Lou and a room. Oh, one injury note or two injury notes on one team for this weekend's games. I will not pick the bills to beat the Chiefs

if two of their starting defensive backs are out. So that's just me. But Taylor Rapp, their safety is day to day and cornerback Christian Benford is in the concussion protocol. Denver not expected to re-sign Javante Williams according to the Denver Gazette. And Anthony Richardson is going to work with a man named Chris Hess.

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How you guys doing? How we doing? How we living? Good. And living color. Dave, you're we doing? How we living? Good. In any color. Dave, you're not doing so great. I'm fine. It's a great day for Dave. His bears got him. What are you guys watching these days? How you spend your off season? Any good new shows or movies?

Coach's film from college. Oh, that works. The show coach. We're all, we're all super high on cam ward. I was listening to FFT dynasty the other day. He'd had some guys on dude was like, it's cam ward, not even close. Yeah. And it is.

Well, okay. But I think we should put this into context because the same guys said that he would be the fourth or fifth best quarterback in last year's class. Nobody thinks that cam ward would have been a top three quarterback in last year's class. Nobody thinks that Cam Ward would have been a top three quarterback in last year's class. No, four. Yeah. Um, he's a, yeah, he's a, he's a poverty number one QB overall in the class.

It's, it's the worst quarterback class since the Kenny Pickett year. He'll be the number one pick. He's awesome. And, uh, picket was when picket came out. He's better than Nick's he's better than Pennex, but I could definitely, he's, he's better than Drake May. He's just not as big as Drake May. Yeah, I don't I've not talked to anyone yet who thinks like I think a lot of people like him more than they liked Knicks a year ago at this time. I've not talked to anybody who likes him more than Knicks after

we've seen Knicks be a good NFL quarterback. Talk to more people. Yeah, I'm talking to Adam Azer who believes that I'm sure Dan Schneier does. I mean, I'm pretty, I mean, I guess I'm, you know, impressed with, with Nick's, but I don't know. I mean, Nick's, gosh, he was so bad at points, but he really turned it around. I'm just wondering if it was like a Sean Payton thing, but Ward is more, Ward is more talented than Bo Nicks,

I would say. Dave, you've been watching some watching some Cam Ward film, right? Yeah, I mean, I watched him live all year. And there's very little to nitpick him on. So I think as long as he's gotta have the same thing happen to him, what happened to Nix, where he lands in an offense where the scheme is easy for him, tailored for him.

If I were the Titans, I'd start working on that right now. Yeah, well, Joe Lynn. Better than anything they have a quarterback. Joe Lynn in our chat says, Cam Ward will have his career ruined by my Titans guaranteed. I don't really want to go to the Titans.

It doesn't sound fun. But you never know. All right, let's get into the Titans here and listen to FFT Dynasty. It's a great time to learn about these prospects. Tight ends one and two. In what order did you have those two guys? I know it's gonna be the same guys.

Jamie, why don't you kick it off. Tight ends one and two. It would be Rock Bowers one, Jamie McBride two. Any disagreements? Anyone have McBride one? Nope. Nope. So So why was it an easy call for you guys? Relatively. Yeah I think it gets more difficult depending on what the Raiders do at quarterback. I guess that's it's possible that

quarterback situation could be bad enough that it's like and they're pretty close anyway but it's it's Bowers then McBride and they they're much closer to each other than they are to anyone else. Yes. Yeah. And it's consensus by the way of the six people who sent this sent the rankings. Everybody had Bowers won McBride too. Yes. All right I won't necessarily unless you guys want to talk about it I guess I was gonna follow up with what's what's more convincing about Bowers than Laporta.

Laporta took a step back in his second year. Kyle Pitts took a step back in his second year. Why are we so- Laporta was just touchdowns. He did not have an elite season based on anything other than touchdowns as a rookie. 86 catches on 120 targets. He didn't have as many targets. He had 120 targets in 17 games.

Bowers had 153. All right, I'm not gonna dispute it. I guess at what point in the draft are you taking Brock Bowers? I'd be very surprised if he's not a second round picker. Toward the back of the second round is when I'd consider him. I have a third picker.

But it's right along that same line. If I've got an early round, late round two, early round three, these are all the same fantasy managers drafting in the same spots. I might chance it that McBride makes it back to me in round three. And I might rather have McBride in round three than Bowers in round two. In fact, I certainly would rather have that. I just have to make sure I lock that in. And then what's my plan if I miss on both if I pass on Bowers, someone takes McBride before I get the chance to pick again in round three. That's a

risk that you're gonna have to take. I'd take them both in round two. How? Yeah, I would as well. How close do you think these guys are to peak Kelsey? Not. I think if they were close to peak Kelsey, we'd be talking about where we were drafting Kelsey, which was like seventh overall. Okay. It's over 20 PPR. A peak Kelsey season is within the range of possibilities, but it's not an expectation. Yeah, I mean for McBride, obviously it's touchdowns.

And for Bowers, it's just becoming a more complete player in his second year. This is usually when you see a jump, it's hard to expect a big jump from him because he was so amazing in his rookie year. And for what it's worth, obviously he's seen a lot of NFL. Pete Prisco said that Bowers is already the best pass catch in the NFL. And you know for what it's worth, obviously, you know, he's he's seen a lot of NFL Pete Prisco said that Bowers is already the best pass catching tight end in the NFL. This was like about week 10 last year He's awesome. Okay, and By the way, can you guess which tight end led the NFL in green zone targets?

It wasn't McBride it was McBr. It was McBride and he had got him He had he had the fourth most end zone targets. He had the third most red zone targets He had the most green zone targets among tight ends and yet he caught Two touchdowns on I wonder how much those came in the final like three weeks this season when they were just trying to get in That touch. Yeah Alright tight ends three and four Dave. Who do you got? I still have Kittle third. I know he's going into, he'll turn 32 this coming season, but I just, I feel like he can still be a touchdown scorer. Probably not the same type of target volume as we just saw this past year. But then again, Debo seems to be slowing down. We don't know what we're going to get with Brandon Iuke. That offensive line should be fixed.

I'm good with Kittle and you're going to get them at a discount compared to the first two guys. And then there's a big gap for me. I'm really going to try and wait a lot longer. On tight end, I think about how David Njoku is done with quarterbacks not named to Sean Watson. I don't think the Sean Watson is going to be the quarterback for the Browns next year. Sean Watson. I don't think Deshaun Watson is going to be the quarterback for the Browns next year. I will take the chance on Nijoku, but I don't want to draft him in like round four, five, six, somewhere in that range. I'm going to wait. And if I can get him past that point, happy to take him. Kittle and Nijoku, that's three and four for you?

Yeah. Heath? So I, the first thing, totally agree with Dave about like, it's almost like there's a top two that's in a tier and then George Kittle at number three is in a tier. And then we get to the blob after that. Um, but I will go Kittle three and then I would, I'm still going to go Mark Andrews four for now. Wow. Okay.

Jamie. Uh, Kittle is three. La Porta is four. I like the, uh, emphasis on the T there in Laporta. Did I have Laporta? I also had, yeah, I had Kittle and then Laporta. I'm surprised that Dave and Heath do not have Laporta fourth. He's fifth.

Yeah, I believe, I think was more willing to believe in Mark Andrews as an elite tight end coming into this year. I didn't, I had La Porta, I didn't draft any La Porta and Andrews was better than La Porta this year. So I don't have any reason to believe that La Porta is going to be better than Andrews next year. Was it, was it close enough to maybe make you consider making the switch Heath? Because like in full PPR full ppr per game basis it was two tenths of a fantasy point difference i think. That you can make the argument for andrew's laporta hawkinson kelsey if he returns or david nejoka what type in for i'm not saying there's a clear difference between these guys.

saying that there's a clear difference between any of these guys. I just prefer Mark Andrews. And I think it's worth wondering if Sam Laporta's role in the offense changes at all, or if the offense is just not as good. I think there's going to be a lot of people predicting that the Lions are going to miss the playoffs next year. Mark Andrews is still one of the best per target. There were 31 tight ends who had 50 or more targets this year He ranked sixth mark Andrews six in yards per outrun Third in yards per target behind George Kittle George Kittle was number one in yards per target Do you guys know who number two is now my favorite sleeper tight end?

Number two in yards per target among tight ends with 50 or more. Was it Isaiah Lakely? It was Tucker Craft. Tucker Craft averaged, this is insane. He averaged more than nine yards after the catch per reception. He's the only tight end, I went back I think like six years to the last guy who came even close was Noah Fant averaged 8.3 yak per catch in 2019, I believe. But 9.1 yak per catch. Unbelievable. And he averaged 7.5 yak per catch last year with a super, super

low A-dot last year, Tucker Kraft. But I'm looking forward to talking about Tucker Kraft because Christian Watson, torn ACL, probably not going to be ready for the start of the season, but he's not, he's not top four. All right. So everybody's got the same top three Bowers McBride, George Kittle, Dave goes in the joku for Heath goes Andrews, Jamie and I have Sam Laporta tight ends. Just just just for reference, since they're not here. Dan has Laporta three and Jacob has Laporta three and Jacob has Laporta three. Okay. And let's go to tight ends five and six Heath, you can start.

And again, I think that these guys are all in a range. We could even extend it all the way to eight, but I have Laporta five, Hawkinson six. Kelsey would be five if he announces that he's coming back. Okay. I, I ranked Kelsey. I think I have him. I ranked him seventh because as of right now we don't know. Okay. So, so Heath has Sam Laporta five, TJ Hawkins and six. Jamie. I have Andrew's five and the joke was six.

Dave. You guys are crazy. Kelsey should be first in fantasy postseason leagues. No, Laporta is fifth for me and then Kelsey is coming in at six. Okay. And I have Travis Kelsey five and Mark Andrews six. Yeah, Kelsey, by the way, his first three games of the year, he had a combined 12 targets and who was playing in those three games?

She Rice. So Kelsey, I don't know, I don't know what the year would look like if she rice had not gotten injured. But four targets per game in the first three games of the season. It was pretty anybody be surprised if Kelsey retired, and then changed his mind in November, and came back to the Chiefs in November, ramped up, made the playoffs with Kansas City and then went ham again next year.

No. No, I guess not. All right. Who should we talk about here? So Hawkinson, Njoku, Kelsey, these are names in here, obviously, along with Sam Laporta and Mark Andrews. Heath, you had Hawkinson six.

Yeah, I'm mostly just like we've done with running backs in the past, not really holding the inefficiency or lack of touchdowns in his first year back from ACL against TJ Hawkinson. He's still in the prime of his career, will be 28 years old. We've seen him produce a couple of 900 yard seasons. He's in an offense that I think is probably going to throw the ball a lot and score a bunch of points. So I like TJ Hawkins. We didn't talk about Najoku when Dave had him fourth. Jamie, you had him sixth, was it? You had Andrews in the Joku. Actually, I'll let Dave talk about a Jokey here. Why

you had him fourth in eight games where Watson was a DNP or left injured in a Jokey average 16.2 PPR points per game last year, five games with Joe Flacco, 18.2 PPR points per game. That's a wonderful track record. As long as we like the Browns quarterback next year, I think Njoku is going to be someone who's going to continue to get a lot of targets, score a bunch of touchdowns, playing in a contract year. One of three tight ends that we've already talked about today that are entering a contract

year next year. So they've got that added motivation. 29 years old, clearly a focal point of the offense, question marks at running back. I am thrilled to get Njoku and I think I get him late in the draft. Late-ish. Late-ish. Late-ish. Nujoku and Hockerton are pretty interesting because they're most likely both getting new quarterbacks. With the way Donald finished, you assume that McCarthy's got a chance to be the guy there for the Vikings and who knows who the Browns get and how much does that impact

those two guys in particular when they're gonna be young. I hate tight ends this upcoming year. God, it's horrible. You'll change your team. Maybe it will actually be good then. I will not change my team. Because you loved it coming into last year. I did not love it coming into last year.

Everybody loved it coming into last year. It was the year of the tight end. I said, you're kidding me, right? I said that I could look I was wrong obviously because Kate Otton and John Smith finished in the top five. But I said I didn't see it like a single tight end who was going to be undrafted that could that could be great this year. You know, like I was I have to get a top eight tight end. I think I said that on every single show we did. I ended up taking a lot of Jake Ferguson because he was like the last guy that I could see being a reliable tight end. I think I said that on every single show we did. I ended up taking a lot of Jake Ferguson because he was like the last guy that I could see being a reliable

tight end. I hated tight end. I liked it more than this garbage, but I did not like it. I don't know why this is garbage though. Oh, this is horrible. It's always it always has been. It's the it's the astronaut meme. I don't know the astronaut. I mean always was. Okay, let's go to tight. What are we on six and seven now? And I have an a joku here. I have John who Smith not six and seven seven or eight. I have John who Smith seven and David a joku eight. Jamie, who do you have seven eight Kelsey at seven and John

Smith at eight Dave. I have Mark Andrews at seven, John Smith at eight. Heath. Kelsey at seven, Najoku at eight. Now, again, I might move Najoku up a little bit because when we did these, we didn't know that John Watson probably wasn't going to play this year. And so it is a little bit better for him. Probably.

We'll see who their quarterback is. What do we make of. I think you'd make her cousins. I don't know if that's going to make you super excited for Nijoku. Um, but if the guy has arm issues and velocity issues and mobility issues, he's going to want to get the ball out quick and take those shorter throws. That's the role N Najoku's had in this offense for multiple seasons. Now is the short area

target guy. Just gonna look up real quick. I'm gonna guess John Smith was tight end to after to a came back, maybe tight end three, but what are we thinking about John Smith, who obviously finished strong and he ended up as a tight end for per game? I mean, clearly he was what this team was was missing for that position since Mike McDaniel took the job. It clearly did what they needed him to do in the offensive scheme change of not wanting

to have all these big plays and to again in a ball of his hands quick. And he was fantastic in that regard. And then you have clearly the story that's worth keeping an eye on is Tyreek Hill going to be back in Miami. If Tyreek Hill is gone, he may be a top five tight end, just based on what he just did and depending on how they replace Tyreek. So there's a lot to love about his situation, but again, is it just a one hit wonder type of deal? I do recall when they signed Mike McDaniel,

he was so excited about Mike Kasecki because where he came from in San Francisco was, he wanted to make whoever the tight end there was, George Kittle. And then they went and got Tyree Kill and clearly he changed things because why would you not feature Tyree Kill? instead of Mike Sekki, duh

So we'll see how this you know plays itself out but clearly John Smith had a great rapport with Tua and has an opportunity here to still be one of the You know premier pass catchers in an offense that will feature All right, so those are our top eight tight ends I'm wondering if we're about to get to John who Smith and Heath's rankings, go to tight ends, nine and 10 Heath, John Smith in here. Yeah, I've got Dallas Goddard and John Smith and my, my only concern with John Smith is that this was the first year that we've seen this from a Mike McDaniel offense. And this

was by far the worst Mike McDaniel offense has been. I would think you'd probably want to change things up again. I wouldn't think they'd want to do the same thing they did last year. Yeah, I think more throws Tyreek Hill and and Dylan Waddle. Maybe maybe we should bring back the big place. Yeah. Or just keep you healthy. Yeah, I mean, I do think you when you ever you talk about that, I do think you kind of overlook the the Skyler Thompson,

whoever else they had. Well, I think after two came back, they were four points per game or five points per game worse than what they'd been the year before. Yeah, they were worse. No question. But, but they were horrible as always without two. But all right, Dallas Goddard. That's pretty interesting. A tight end nine Heath. Yeah, again, I, I don't want to draft these guys. I probably will draft a top three tight end this year. Um, but we've like Dallas Goddard still very good.

The Eagles offense is still very good. I think Dallas Goddard could absolutely have a season where he's in. I don't know what's shocking about Dallas Goddard as a top 10 tight end actually. So would you like to know? You're the only one that has him ranked. He's averaged at least 9.7 PPR points per game each of his last four seasons. He was tied in 10 per game this year. And obviously you'll feel much better starting him when one of the other receivers in Philadelphia

is out. Yeah. But I think that's a safe floor for him. You just look at him and you go, okay, over the course of the year, he'll average 10 fantasy points per game and be someone that maybe scores five, six times over the course of the year. His best two games were without AJ Brown. I understand. Yes. Right. It's just really how it works. Yeah. but I mean, that's my thing is I just feel like there's no upside. The Dallas Goddard. It's gotta be getting

well, I know there's there's injury upside. I think the one next year tight end you go to when you don't like any other tight end, or the upside of any other tight end left on the board. Yeah. All right. So Goddard, nine. John Smith, 10 for Heath. Jamie, who'd you have at nine and 10? Nine, I have Ferguson and 10 Hawkinson. But Hawkinson will move up. And Dave? Evan Ingram's at nine. He might change teams this off season based on his contract and then Tucker Kraft is at 10. Wow. So nobody said Dalton Kincaid yet? Nope.

I thought I was going to be, that's where I was prepared to be the outlier and I didn't need that preparation at all. Okay. Yeah. All right. We got an Evan Ingram in here. We got a Ferguson in here. We got a Tucker Kraft in here. These are tight ends, nine and 10. Nine and 10 for me are Evan Ingram and TJ Hawkinson. Is that what you had Jamie? No, I Ferguson and Hawkinson. Ferguson. Okay, right. Dave had Ingram and craft. Yeah, Ingram.

These is there any upside in this group? I mean, Hawkinson, I think so, but he sort of laid that out for you where he hasn't ranked. So clearly there's a chance for him to be a top five guy. We've crossed the bridge to Goddard land. These are all guys that are going to be in that fingers crossed 10 PPR point per game average. Right. I do like Ferguson getting Prescott back depending on who the coach is there. What do you make of Ingram having such a worse season last year than he did the year before?

Trevor got hurt, Brian Thomas got there, and he got hurt. I think you have to throw out the part of 2023 when he was the number one target in the offense. And if you do that, he averaged 11.5 PPR points per game on 7.6 targets per game in 12 games with Calvin Ridley and Christian Kirk. This is two seasons ago. So obviously things can change, but last year, just over the totality of the year, he averaged 9.9 in full PPR. He averaged 4.7 in non PPR. So

that just tells you how important the target share has to be for him to make him even like a top 20 guy in fantasy football. But he's, he's hit anywhere from 9.9 to 11.5 each of his past three seasons when he's had company at wide receiver. So I try and do not expect anything close to the end of 2023 with him. But if you're somebody who might get seven targets per game, that that might be enough for you to go back to Evan Ingram. And again, that's in the case that he stays in Jacksonville. If they cut him to save some money against the cap, he's on a new team and then who the heck knows what his situation will be.

It was just a pretty clear, like 2023 was the clear outlier year. Yeah, he has, I don't know what he finished as this year. Actually, I do know what he finished as this year. Evan Ingram, he was a tight end. Where are you? 37? 1414 per game in full PPR. I'm pretty sure he'd been a top tight end, top 10 tight end per game in full PPR, like all but one year, maybe now all but two years of his career. It's not always pretty, but he usually ends up as a starting tight end. He did not this year, tight end 14. All right, we're actually gonna take one break

and come back and give you 11 and 12 in our tight end rankings. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. Fantasy cops in your emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Coming up before that, we'll finish off the top 12 tight ends. You guys have your list in front of you. If maybe you can just recap your top 10. Can we do that?

Sure. All right, go for it, Jamie. It is Bowers, McBride, Kittle, Laporta, Andrews, Njoku, Kelsey, Johnna Smith, Jake Ferguson, TJ Hawkins. And then you might as well just give me 11 and 12. 11 is Dalton Kincaid, Yay. And 12 is Tucker Krach. There will be one guy that I will probably change if the guy in front of him leaves as a free agent.

Oh, oh, Baltimore? No. Who, who, who, who? Exactly. Exactly. I might get that in my top 12. Okay. Uh, Heath, give me your top 12. Yeah.

Bowers, McBride and Kittle, Andrews, Laporta and Hockenson, Kelsey and Joku, Goddard, Johnu, Ingram. I have Kinkade 12 currently, but I might have coal commit ahead of him with Ben Johnson in Detroit. Okay. So you have Ingram and Kincaid rounding out your top 12. Dave, what do you got? I'm just going to list my anomalies compared to the other guys.

I've got Nijoku at four. I've got John who at eight. I've got Evan Ingram at nine. And then my last two are TJ Hawkinson and Jamie wouldn't let us rank rookies. But Tyler Warren is going to be a top 12 tight end by the time we get to August. So since we can't rank him, I put Dalton Kincaid as a placeholder. Okay, I have Bowers McBride, Kittle, Laporta, Kelsey, Andrews, that's my top six, John is Smith, David Njoku.

Njoku, by the way, has been a top six. John is Smith, David Njoku. Njoku, by the way, has been a top eight tight end per game in full PPR three straight seasons. Evan Ingram, nine. Hockinson, 10. Kraft, 11. Jake Ferguson, 12. Jake Ferguson did finish as the number 24 tight end

in fantasy per game, per game, without a single touchdown this year. All right, anyway, those are our top 12s. Craft. Yeah, I got excited about him. I saw some of those metrics. Good after the catch, two years in a row, even when you compare him with guys with similar a dots, I mean, he's just crushing those guys. Second in yards per target, which among tight ends and whatever.

I mean, obviously could be fluky. But I think there's a bump there when Christian Watson doesn't play even in the playoff game. He got five or six targets, which isn't bad on a bad day for Jordan Love. So yeah, it was somebody that I came in a little bit more encouraged about. You want you wonder if that offense changes a little bit after the season. Well, you know, when they when they reevaluate it. Not that it wasn't successful for them, but they didn't get to where they want to go. You also wonder, how much was Jordan Love playing hurt through those games? And does he come back at 100%, stay 100% and they throw the ball a little bit more? This is going to get you excited about Tucker Kraft. Matt LaFleur was talking him up in his season ending wrap up press conference. He said, quote, I think that's on us to find him

and feature him. When he gets the ball in his hands, you feel him. If there's an area we have to do a better job on, it's featuring the tight end. And when he was asked if Kraft had the potential to be George Kittle or Travis Kelsey, LeFleur said a hundred percent, I think you would expect any coach to say that about his tight end, but the fact that he's already lamenting not doing more with his tight end after the season that they just had gets me a little bit more interested in expecting at least an uptick in production and maybe touchdowns for Tucker Craft. I wonder if the floor is the new Sean Payton. Meaning hyping up his guys and then never doing it.

At some point, for me to get excited about, really excited about a Matlau floor pass catcher again, somebody in his offense is going to have to get 100 targets. The guy just hates anybody getting more than five targets a game. That's what I'm talking about. In, I think it was two owners meetings ago ago and he was, Christian Watson's the next Devonte Adams. Jayden Reed is the next Devonte Adams. So, you know, he's a little hyperbole.

And you know, just to be fair, the numbers are not good for Tucker Craft without Christian Watson on the field. He actually was targeted more on a per route, but just targeted more with Watson on the field than off the field. He actually was targeted more on a per route, but just targeted more with Watson on the field than off the field. But that's an interesting one because Watson's not a guy who plays 90% of the snaps or anything like that. I think you'd really have to just also look at the games that Watson missed, not just the snaps that he didn't play in the games when he was healthy. All right, let's let's move on here again. We have your emails at fantasyfootball.cbsi.com and we're getting a visit from where is it?

There they are, the fantasy cops. All right, here we go. Fantasy cops from John. I went into my dynasty. What happened? Did it fall? What? I thought my. We have this we have this feature.

Oh, that where we're allowed to like star comments that we want to make sure that we come back to later. Fantasy cops will wait. We did have a good show. A good question. So we have a bad show now. We have a good question from Mr. Poppinski. I think he wanted to know where we'd rank Isaiah likely if Mark Andrews were not on the roster.

Hi, tight end six. Yeah. I could, he like, I put Andrew's Laporta, Hawkinson, Kelsey, Najoku all in the same tier and he would definitely be in that tier. Um, he might be as high as four or five. I don't want to give off O'Conwell vibes, but Adam, I sent you before the show where likely ranked in terms of efficiency last year and it's, it's very high, clearly an athletic ascending player who's not the typical tight end.

Yeah. And if I might like them, even if Andrew stays depends really on like what, what's the makeup of the entire Ravens receiving core. If they do more with wide receivers, I'm not going to like likely as much. He's great. That would be a big opportunity for him.

We also had some comments about the two rookies. I mean, Jamie mentioned Ben Sinnett, but the names brought up in the chat were the Theo Johnson of the Giants, Jatavian Sanders of the Panthers. We'll throw Sinnett in there. Any other rookies that you guys think maybe could crack the top 12? If Eric all comes back healthy from the ACL, he could be on that list as well.

I'm pretty excited about Sanders. Yeah, it's actually pretty, maybe promising class. I don't know how good those guys will end up being, but. How many rookies this year will overshadow last year's rookies? Because you've got Loveland from Michigan, you've got Warren from Penn State. Oh, I love Warren. Yeah, who doesn't? Yeah.

He'll probably, I mean, I assume he'll be ranked higher than any of the year two guys. Well, not probably, but Rock Bowers probably. Any of the ones we just talked about. I'm excited about sending. I like what Zach Gertz has done and he's a free agent. So this is another offense that's going to continue to get better. And we'll see what they do to add at their receiving core. What segment should we do next?

Well, you didn't even do fantasy cops. Let's do fantasy cops. Here we go. This one is from John. So John was in a dynasty league. John says, still in it. I went into my dynasty draft with a two to three year approach. And after tons of trades, I finished this past season with Drake,

May, Bo Nicks, Bryce Young, Brian Thomas, Jr., Lad McConkey, Brock Bowers, Roma Dunze, Rashi Rice, and Ken Walker. I have four of the top six rookie picks for 2025. I have eight first round picks total for 2025, nine in 2026, and six in 2027. So he's set up for the future. A few teams who went all in on winning now ended up making some bad trades. Two teams might not even be able to fill even a starting lineup next year

unless they make some lopsided trades. And they traded away every one of their picks through 2027. Both owners ended up quitting the league last week. And the commissioner just said that he wants to fold the league and start a new one.

There's no way I'm joining any more of his leagues, but am I wrong for wanting a full refund, including the first year's entry? I didn't sign up for a redraft league, and the strategy that myself and another manager took to prioritize youth and future draft picks is a valid strategy. The year one winner was already paid out,

but I believe that it's wrong to advertise a dynasty league and give minimal effort in keeping it alive just to fold the league after the first year? Am I wrong for demanding all entry fees be refunded? It was a fairly large buy-in and I've paid through 2027, uh, due to multiple first round picks being traded. Ooh, I don't think you were wrong for wanting that. You're not going to get it.

And this is why I think a lot of people say when you start up a dynasty league, you should have people pay for the first two years of the startup draft. Um, so if teams drop out, then you can give those teams to managers to, to try to rebuild for free. Um, and it seems like if all those people had traded away their picks, they should have already paid those 26 and 27 entry fees. They shouldn't get those back if they're leaving the league. So would you refund him the 2024 entry fee that he paid?

I would not, but I'd probably chop. I mean, if we're, if you're going to disband the league, then you almost have to chop up the money from the guys who quit and already paid those early, those entry fees and, um, at least get some money back. Any thoughts? What if they didn't pay those fees? Well, he just said that if you traded your future picks, you had to pay those, pay your future entry fees. Right. So I assume.

If you traded them away. Right. And he said they traded away all their future picks through 2026. So there's got to be at least two years entry fees from a few teams. Oh, it sounds like at least two, maybe three people want this league, one out of this league, right? The two that said that leaving in the commissioner. Yeah. I mean, you could always just you take over being the commissioner and then find two other or three other people. Yeah. That's a good one too. Yeah. But who's going to take over these teams that are horrible? Well, if the entry fees already paid for two years, then a lot of people. You could do that. Could

you also make it a 10 team league? And, you know, draft their players? Why would they pay and then want to leave? Like, that doesn't make sense. Are we sure they paid? Right, that's the question. Because they could just be like, nah, I want out, and then, but you owe us money for future years.

And they say, bite me. All right, so yeah, I like this. Get rid of the commissioner, You take over, find new teams. They don't have to- Or give the commissioner a chance to still be in the league if he wants to. He just didn't want to run it maybe. Yeah. Commissioner didn't really think this through, but I can't criticize- It's almost like not telling people when the free agents are going to start.

I'm going to drown you out with music. Thanks for your entry, Josh. Any more fantasy cops issues, bring them on fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here's an email from Julio. I've been playing fantasy football for about four years and each year my strategy has always been to focus on wide receivers and running backs in the first eight to nine rounds

and finish my drafts with tight ends and quarterbacks. I usually have good depth at wide receiver and running back but I usually have to with tight ends and quarterbacks. I usually have good depth at wide receiver and running back, but I usually have to stream tight ends and quarterbacks until I find a good option and I stick with them. In the past years, it has usually led me to win and lose some leagues, but this year, in the 12 leagues that I played, I made the playoffs in 10, I made the finals in eight,

but I lost all eight finals games. When I looked at all of my opponents, I noticed a trend. The majority of the teams had a top tier quarterback and a top tier tight end, which made me rethink my strategy. Do you think I should change my strategy where I draft the top tier tight ends and quarterbacks in the early rounds or just stick with my original strategy? What do you think?

So you played in how many leagues? He played in 12. He made eight finals. And his strategy, in case anybody missed it. First eight or nine rounds, he drafts running backs and wide receivers. And then after that, he streams quarterbacks and tight ends. He's had a lot of success, I'd say in the past, but he lost all of his eight finals to teams that had top tier tight ends on quarterbacks this year. As someone who plays in a lot of leagues, I like to try different strategies for this reason. Sometimes you're going to have the success rate of the league the way you typically do it.

Sometimes you want to try different things to see what works. If you're going to play in 12 leagues again, go based on the numbers you just gave us. Eight of them you had the same track record you had. Well, four leagues next year, try something different. Or two leagues, try something different. Just shake it up a little bit and then maybe you find a different path to getting to where you want to go. So that's the fun of this game is you don't have to necessarily do the same things. People ask all the time, you play in so many leagues, don't you have the same players in so many leagues? Well, yeah, a lot because there are guys that you like

prior to the season and you tend to gravitate towards those players. When waiver wire moves come up, you know, you try to get those guys. Um, I think it's always a good opportunity to try a little bit of a different approach, especially if you have so many stakes in the game, you know, where you can, you know, try some, some different strategies that may work for you. I agree with the different strategy thought, but also what I really want to say is you had a spectacular year. Yes.

You had eight teams out of 12 make the finals. The bad thing about this game is that sometimes terrible, terrible luck strikes. And that's what happened. Like you had a spectacular year. You should be really, really proud of how great your teams did. And you just had one bad week at the worst time. And just a slight word of caution. I had way too much James Cook and Mike Evans.

So one of our last drafts that we did at the two, three turn, I took Patrick Mahomes and Rishi Rice and was out of the league by week six. So like sometimes you should just stick with your guns. Yeah, I like the strategy with the obvious move to pick up good value on draft day. If someone slips a quarterback or tight end, there's absolutely nothing wrong with veering from the strategy to go and get one of those players. And then if you let's just say you do end up going with lots of running backs and wide receivers, you're streaming tight end, you're streaming quarterback.

Maybe work a little harder to try and swing a trade for one of the top quarterbacks, just cause you don't draft one doesn't mean you can't have one. You're just going to have to make a deal at some point in the season. I am in a bunch of leagues with pals who overvalue quarterbacks. And so I'm always one of the last guys to get a quarterback. I think I started my year with Matt Matthew Stafford as my QB one, but by the end of the year, Jalen hurts was my quarterback, I made the playoffs, I was bounced from the playoffs, because of Jalen hurts and what happened to him in the

game where he got concussed. But that that's always my plan B is alright, so I don't get a guy on draft day. I'll either find a guy off the waiver wire, which is what this guy's been doing, or I'll make a trade for a quarterback along the way, consolidate my depth, keep the studs at the running back and receiver positions, and do the best I can in the playoffs. And Heath's right, man. You make the playoffs in 10 of 12 leagues that's a successful season I want I wonder if the Quarterbacks and tight ends that he lost to and if if any of those combinations were Jane Daniels and Johnna Smith You know quarterback drafted late tight end picked up off waivers

They finished as two of the best players their position, but they weren't drafted that way Mm-hmm John who wasn't drafted at all All right one more question here. Let's just get Heath on this if we can, because I want to save time for a Dave Dave story from Jamie. Yes. Yes. So basically the question is from it's from Aaron. It's a dynasty question says the rookie running back class is supposed to be stacked at the high end, but also deep. I'm wondering which running backs from the 2023 and 2024 seasons would you consider holding onto for another year to see what happens? I have a few third round picks and just trying

to debate whether I'm safer giving 2024 year two running backs another shot or drafting multiple third round running backs in this talented class? I would hate to miss out on a Kyren Pollard, Mostert, Sprouls or Aaron Jones situation who were day three picks but broke out in year two or three. So the first group of like must hold may not all not many of them are probably day three picks but like you got to hold Trey Benson, you got to hold Jonathan Brooks even through the ACL, you got to hold Braylon Allen. I'm holding Tai-Jay Spears. I'm holding Jaylen Wright. I'm holding Audrick Estimé. I'm holding Blake Coram. I'm holding Marshawn Lloyd. Why don't you just tell us who you're not going to hold?

Well, there's, I mean, we're just now to the top 50 in my dynasty rankings at running back. I told you it's everybody. Which makes total sense. I think Roshan and, um, Kendre Miller and Kamani Vidal are three guys that kind of is where you get into the blurry zone, but I'm probably holding those guys over third round picks, not second. Okay. By the way, uh, I'm going to write the story today. Kendre Miller was the number two most winning

as player in CBS Sports.com leagues. Wow, that's funny. It was not everybody picked him up at the end of the Brian Thomas Jr. Number one. No, the obvious was number one. March Ace. Yeah. All right. Actually, I was going to guess to my second guess is going to be T Higgins because he had that three touchdown game. All right. No, it's not playoffs.

This is what they did to get you the playoffs regularly. They were on a roster. They were on a roster that won the league. Not the starting lineup. Yeah, but if you but if you had them, if they had big week 17s, then then you won. No, it's win percentage for the season. Oh, win percentage for the season, okay. I'm taking Kendra Miller around one next year. How the hell was Kendra Miller number two?

Because if you had a good team, you were playing late in the year, you were making waiver wire moves, you probably picked him up with the chance of Alvin Kamara not coming back, and he was on your roster on a winning team. Okay, all right, Jamie, so what did Dave do before Bears games?

So I don't know the year Dave can attest to this when he stopped being a Bears fan. It's been at least 15 years. It was definitely during the Rex Grossman Super Bowl run. It was definitely in, when I started, so this was 2006 and probably went through, what'd you say, 2001? I mean, I stopped rooting for the Bears when I started rooting for the Packers in their

Super Bowl over the Steelers. That was Super Bowl 45. And so, like it's been 10, 12, 15, somewhere in there. But no, no question. I mean, I went to their Super Bowl against Indianapolis. That was Super Bowl 41. Die hard, Bears fan, man. So it was Dave and two coworkers, and every Friday they would have a powwow at Dave's desk where they would discuss how they could win, what would happen, their fandom, and

at the end they would all hands in and say, bear down. No. Oh, that's awesome. I'm getting images of whoa, Bundy. It was very similar. Oh, that's great. You know what? I'm not gonna make fun of that, Dave.

I love that. Good for you, man. No, it's hysterical. It's so stupid now. Jamie loves one of that Dave, I love that. Good for you man. It's hysterical, it's so stupid now. Jamie loves one of those guys by the way. I love all those guys. I don't even know who they are. I don't know if you should name them,

tell you off there. Okay, all right everybody, bear down, we will talk to you tomorrow. Take a look at the- Hey Adam, is it proper when you go to somebody's wedding to give them a gift? It is. Oh, I agree. But somebody that we just talked about might not have done that to one of us at our wedding.

Yeah, I had a few people who didn't give me a gift. It's pretty messed up. All right, see you later. It's even, by the way, the right thing to do to get someone a wedding gift when you haven't been invited to their wedding, but you work with them. Right. Oh, I'm like.

Have a great day, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow on Planet Super