Fantasy Football Today - Best and Worst ADP Values! (07/23 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

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Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. This is gonna go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Tuesday edition of Fantasy Football Today. Big surprise, Jamie Eisenberg has disappeared.

We had three people that were down to theirs. J.B. Eisenberg, welcome back. Were you blowing your nose or something? No, the dog decided to eat a Lego, so I didn't want it to die. Ooh, okay, yeah, feel free. Hey, did you guys, when you were growing up, did you have a Poppy? Did you call someone Poppy? Yes.

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Anyway, best and worst values. I looked at NFC ADP since July 1st. That's 78 drafts. And looked at some of the values there. Kind of compared them to CBS as well. And came up with some that I think that you guys would probably agree with, but not all of them. Obviously, we want to have some debate here. But we're looking at players that are overvalued or undervalued. First, I want to get your take on this. Do you buy it? I don't remember having a discussion about this in the past.

It's possible that at this time in previous seasons, we've seen this and then it changed. But so far, CBS ADP, NFC ADP since July 1st, Draft Sharks ADP, Fantasy Pros PPR ADP. Not a single quarterback in the first two rounds. The quarterback's not coming

off the board until round three. And Jamie, I know you'd never, I'd be against everything in your body to believe that would be the case. Do you think we're really going to have ADP showing in a month, no quarterbacks in rounds one and two? No chance, no chance. I mean, again, we've identified that there's,

I'll say nine, I'll throw AJ Brown in there because I think he's a definite first round pick. We've identified nine players that we think should go in the first round for sure. That leaves three open spots up for debate. And I think once you get to the back end of round one in one quarterback leagues, forget about Superflex and two quarterback leagues, that's where you're going to start to see the quarterback ADP come into play. Now, I think we're going to see quarterbacks go in the first eight picks because people like to draft who they draft. If you've won your leagues before drafting a quarterback in the first round and it's worked for you, you're going to do it again,

no matter what you read, no matter what you see, no matter what you hear, because that's what's worked out for you. So I drafted Christian McCaffrey, and he played three games, and I don't want to deal with that again. I drafted Justin Jefferson last year, and I don't want to deal with that again. That's just how people are. And there's people, thankfully, that are playing fantasy this year for the first time, and they think the quarterback is the most important player on a team.

They should be the most important player on your fantasy team because they're novices and they don't care. And so no matter what we say and how much advice we give, people will still take quarterbacks in the first round. And again, if it's worked for you, follow your formula. Okay. Dave, what do you think? Do you think it's possible that ADP in a month will show no quarterbacks going in the first two rounds? I wonder if it'll be like at 12, meaning that like, it's a, it's like a baby step toward the direction that we want it to go. And we want to help people dominate their drafts. This is one of the ways that we think can help is by waiting on quarterback a little bit, at least when you

can only start one, but Jamie's right. There are people out there that maybe they don't listen to fantasy podcasts. Maybe they don't read the magazines. They're in their home leagues and they've got their style. I have a friend named Chris who took a quarterback in round one and another one in round four. And he's done that multiple times throughout the years. And it's senseless, but it works for him and he's in the playoffs a lot. I've done enough research on it to determine that I don't think it, certainly taking two quarterbacks with your first four picks

in a one QB league will not help you. But taking one quarterback with your first pick, unless the scoring is just like so tilted in favor of quarterbacks, I don't think it helps you. You know, it's really, Chris might do well because he gets other players and he plays the waiver wire well and maybe makes a good trade. All that stuff will help you no matter who you draft. But I think that taking the quarterback early is a mistake

and one that I would tell everybody not to do this year. I think ADP will reflect it a little bit. Yeah. All right. Well, I just think that if I'm making the case to take quarterback early am i gonna i'm gonna take you know drake london over josh allen right this is what this is what fantasy managers might think yes and this is the path people go down and i get it i don't think it's wrong i don't necessarily think it's wrong i don't i wouldn't do it because i i like the

quarterback debt we all like the quarterback depth this year. Definitely. Like last year. We say it every year, though. No, I don't think so. I think last year we thought that it wasn't that deep of a position. No, there's always 14 to 15 quarterbacks that we will say we like. Without question.

No, I know that. But last year, I think we looked at the top three quarterbacks. I think it was three. Alan Hurts, Mahomes. We were obviously wrong about Mahomes. As a major step up. Like, they deserve to be late second round picks. Sure, because after the...

In round two, right. You could say there was some correction from the pandemic and how the league was changing penalties and all those things and scoring was up and all the quarterbacks were great. And then we had the last year, the two years ago where the three quarterbacks were just clearly much better than the field. And so, yes, there was some analysts understandably. So saying now's the time to take quarterbacks early and people were, and you know, again, if, if it worked out for you, you know, mostly just Josh Allen, but Jalen Hurts also, then you may go that route again.

But I just think that what we're what we see with the position and it, you know, played itself out last year, as it always does, where Jordan Love emerged and CJ Stroud emerged. And look, there were certainly, you know you know players who you know were were flaws or had flaws and and got hurt you know anthony richardson was somebody that we were saying good late round starting option and then materialized and mahomes you know from a top end standpoint so it's going to go like it does with every position but i i think again for people that like to minimize their risk with early round picks those are the people that take quarterbacks early you know they've either been burned by an injury before or a huge bust before,

and they don't want to take that. They want to remove that risk, and that's why quarterbacks go early. It happens at every position where players get hurt, but quarterback is the one position where it's pretty easy to find a replacement who can at least get you by. Okay, Dave, let's look at one great value and one bad value.

This is my opinion, but I feel like it will be shared. One great value to me, Josh Palmer, 137th overall. Oh, yeah, that's great. You cut the draft in half from 137th overall, and you're basically Ladd-McConkie, right? A little bit later than that. But I'll tell you right now, Ladd-McConkie, right? A little bit later than that. But I'll tell you right now, Ladd-McConkie in this ADP on fantasy,

it's 89th for him, but still, 50 picks later or so, we're getting Josh Palmer. I think it's just terrific value. Even if he just does what he's done in the past without either Mike Williams or Keenan Allen or both, he'll pay off at 137th overall. If he gets better, he might pay off at 137th overall. If he gets better, he might pay off as a top 90 pick like McConkie's going right now.

Do we all love Palmer 137th overall? I would take him at least 15 spots higher. And that's today. Once we get training camp reports that he's stepping up, then he'll go in that top 100 range. He's got the experience with Justin Herbert. That's something McConkie doesn't have. He's got versatility. We've seen him succeed both as a slot receiver and a player out wide. He was the go-to guy whenever Keenan Allen or Mike Williams got hurt. And now both those guys aren't even on the team. And it's a different offense. I know they're not going to throw as much, but I don't see DJ Char, Quentin Johnston taking Josh Palmer off the field. Palmer will play a ton, and McConkie will be good,

but I think Josh Palmer's got a chance. I can't rule out that he'll be the best wide receiver for the Chargers this year. I think it'll be McConkie, but there's a chance it could be Palmer, and we're drafting him in the double-digit rounds. That's great ADP. It's phenomenal ADP. That's great. ADP it's phenomenal. ADP. That's a really good call. Adam.

Thank you, sir. So, um, I'm writing the story for, I think it's going on sports line this week, but, the best value picks right now after pick one 50.

And I hate using the ADP now, cause I think so much is going to change. Um, but, um, it's, it's sort of the cheat code that there's three players. I think that are going to just dramatically rise based on where they are right now.

Palmer is one of them. Rashid Sheed is another. And Jaleel McLaughlin. Those are all three guys going after pick 150. Where's Dontavion Wicks going, Jayme? He's after that also. But I don't think he's going to rise as much as those three other guys because I think there's still a lot for Wicks to have to get over.

We'll see how long Jayden Reed is out and anything that happens to Christian Watson. But, yes, he'll be a riser for sure. I don't know if he'll rise as much as these three guys, because I think just based on clearly, you know, every, every fantasy analyst is saying Josh Palmer, Rashid Shaheed, somebody of the Broncos backfield, that's not Javante Williams. So, you know, those are three obvious, you know, players that I think you just look at and say, okay, this is just too easy, you know? And, um, I I've, I've made a concerted effort to do a lot more best ball drafts.

Usually I do like, you know, 10, uh, I think I've done 15 already. Um, and you just, you see how much those guys are valued in, in those formats, by the way, speaking of quarterbacks, um, I did an underdog 20 second per pick draft last night. And, um, it's it you got to be on your toes i got auto drafted one pick and it ruined the whole thing oh yeah that stinks by the way yeah i my scott fishbowl draft which is still ongoing i have mclaughlin who i just took in like the 14th round or something i have palmer. And I have Rico Dottal, who's another guy that we'll talk about later. I think it will be a rise.

Another one, yeah. Yeah, maybe. One bad value, I think you'll agree with. He's ahead of the 150 on CBS, though, so that's why I didn't mention him. Yeah, I think he's ahead of that on, yeah, I think he's like in the 140s that we'll talk about today.

148 for Rico Dottal. And Zeke, I'll make a case that he's a good value, too. But who's a bad value? I got a big name for you going 26 overall, wide receiver 14 in NFC ADP. Let's reveal that name after this commercial break. We'll be right back. Mama, look at me. I'm going really fast.

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but not CBS average draft position, where it is two rounds later, Michael Pittman. Michael Pittman is going 26th overall as wide receiver 14 in NFC. NFC is high stakes leagues. I think it's usually half PPR, probably four point per passing touchdown. Keep that in mind.

But Michael Pittman's wide receiver 14 going 26th overall there. He's going ahead of Waddle, Laporta, Pacheco, Ayuk. On CBS, he's wide receiver 22, and he's going 50th overall. So huge difference there. I'm not a Pittman guy, but I'd love to take him 50th overall. But, Jamie, is he bad value Pittman at 26 overall? Yeah.

You know, wide receiver 14 is not horrible, and we know receivers get pushed up in high stakes leagues, understandably. So, um, again, best ball formats as well. Uh, I, I think you, you just look at what, sorry, Dave forgot. Thank you for reminding me, Dave. Um, you look at, uh, what the, what the upside is and he's just got to score more touchdowns. You know, he's still going to be the go-to guy in this offense. I think we're going to see him spread the ball, Richard and spread the ball around a

little bit more. You know, he's got a strong connection with go-to guy in this offense i think we're going to see him spread the ball richard spread the ball around a little bit more you know he's got a strong connection with josh downs at least that's what it showed um you're getting you know another guy that could be a riser jelani woods who's getting some hype now as their you know number one tight end and they ran a lot of you know two tight end packages last year so we'll see how you know ad mitchell factors in there also but um for pitman look he's you know he's he's going to lead the team in targets he's going to lead the team in targets. He's going to lead the team in receptions. He's going to lead them in yards. It's just a matter of can he finally break through the four-touchdown range.

He's only got one year with six touchdowns. So it's been a huge issue for him just being treated like an alpha fantasy wide receiver. He gets those opportunities. He just doesn't necessarily perform like that. He's a good number two receiver, which is not, I think, a number one guy. I mostly agree. There's a part of me that thinks that I've got him ranked a little bit too high. There are a couple of names like Cooper Cup, Nico Collins. Maybe they should be ahead of him, and maybe I'll get more comfortable with Cup if he is healthy throughout training camp. I do like that he averaged eight targets

per game with Richardson. Now, it's not as high as it was with Minshew. Minshew made Michael Pittman the PPR beast that he was last year. I do worry a little bit about regression across the board for him, except when it comes to touchdowns, because I just think that he's just never going to be a factor in the red zone, especially when you get inside the five. They've got Taylor. They've got Richardson.

Why would they even bother throwing the football and giving Pittman an opportunity down there in short range? So I think he's, Jamie Nell, number two fantasy wide receiver in PPR, moving down even further if it's half and non-PPR, and he won't be quite as prolific as he was last year. I do think, I think 26 is a shade too high. Yeah. I'm actually struggling right now with, and I'll probably make the switch soon,

is I think I have him and George Pickens back-to-back, and I feel like I like Pickens better. Don't you feel like there's more upside with Pickens? Much. Yeah. Boy, they are so different. I mean, I don't know what, I mean, sorry to be the ADOT guy. I don't know what Pittman's ADOT's going to be.

If they keep using him as this super short area guy, it's going to cap his upside. It's going to cap his yards. It's going to cap his touchdowns. His ADOT might be like literally half of George Pickens. And while that probably gives Pickens more upside, definitely gives him more downside. I'd like to see, I'd like to see Pittman's a dot go up and I'd like to see Pickens a dot go down.

So they're both more complete wide receivers and one's not so reliant on catches and one's not so reliant on big plays. Um, yeah, I'm curious to see what happens this year as they hopefully, I just, you know, again,

I, I loved our conversation with rich rebar and I can't get past when, when we were talking about the three third-year receivers and what's separating the three of them, Garrett Wilson, Drake London, and George Pickens. And the setup is exactly the same for all of them. It's veteran quarterback with some concerns, should be number one target leader, and high pedigree in some degrees, you know, Pickens, I think fell in the draft more so from, you know,

some, some concerns over his barely played too, right. He's coming up to an ACL. He had very little experience. Yeah. But, but it's the thing that,

the thing that Rich said, and I know Heath agrees with this. I think Rich referenced that is Pickens has actually done it. Yeah. But, but here's the other thing. Heath said this too. I think if you ask the public, how do you rank Rodgers' cousins,

Russell Wilson, that's probably how they rank it. Yeah. Right? It's 100% accurate. It's definitely a Russ thing. And we talked about this. You know, there's the fear of, and I don't know if it's warranted, the fear of what happens when or if Justin Fields takes over for Russell Wilson. That could be bad news.

Well, it could be, but DJ Moore was fantastic last year. And that was because of Justin Fields as well. So I think there's still the opportunity for him to be a high-level player, no matter who the quarterback is, because he showed it last year in the games Deontay Johnson was missing, which is kind of the point here is that there's no significant competition for targets. Now I'll go back to a conversation I had with, I'm blanking on the chargers coach. It was Keenan Allen sophomore season. Um, after he had a breakout rookie, Mike McCoy, Mike McCoy. Yep. Um, and I said, you know, Hey, keenan allen coming off that

great year can he do it again he goes the target's on his back now and you know everybody knows he's getting the ball and it's up to us and up to him to figure out how to deal with the double and how to deal with you know the extra attention and he struggled in his sophomore season and so george pickens knows he's getting the ball i mean there's no doubt about it you know when you look at van jefferson and calvin austin and all these other guys that they're trying to roll out, Roman Wilson and everything else, it's the George Peck show right now. Will he be able to handle it? Again, in comparing him to Michael Pittman, for example, Pittman's already handled it.

He's been the guy. There's a maturation process, and that's kind of why I you know, I, I still like writing about talking about and certainly drafting third year receivers, because this is the year when they typically click and get it. So I know we're on a big tangent here, but in any event, um, I think, uh, Pickens has an opportunity to really blow up. Yeah. Well, I think Pickens kind of made the show notes today because two players that I had as bad values nervously, Nervously. We're Malik Neighbors and Zay Flowers going in round four as wide receivers, I think 23 and 25. And George Pickens is right in between them.

He's 24. So it goes Neighbors, Pickens, Flowers. And I think for you guys, it's an easy Pickens there, right? Pickens. Yeah. All right. So, so far, good value, Josh Palmer. Bad value really depends on the website.

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TJ Hawkinson is going to start camp on the PUP list. This does not come as a surprise, so we will keep an eye on TJ Hawkinson. Joe Burrow has been fully cleared. This is great. And Jamie, I went back and I listened to our show with Marty Jaramillo, our injury expert. Also, by the way, the Bengals plan on playing him in the preseason.

I think I read that so far. Well, in his career so far, he's played three preseason snaps. He's been like coming off a torn ACL, COVID canceled the preseason. He had the appendectomy, I think. He had the calf injury. So they want to get him some preseason work. But Marty said that this was at the time. This was about a month and a half ago, I think. He hasn't been cleared for contact yet. P.S. Now he has. But that's when the big question marks happen. The first few falls on turf, bracing yourself, all these little things. And went on. This takes a full year to recover in terms of constant pain and swelling. A lot of on and off days of inflammation.

He'll be ready to play. I have no concerns there. That's what I was already talking about. Yes. That's our injury expert. Just to be clear, he is an injury expert. He is not somebody that medically evaluated Joe Burrow. So just. Yeah, absolutely.

But it's good news for Burrow. Would you guys rather have Burrow or Stroud? Stroud. Stroud as of now, but I go back and forth with them, both behind Anthony Richardson for me. I've got both ahead of Richardson. Cincinnati also unlikely to give Jamar Chase an extension anytime soon. He might not get

that until next season, next offseason. Joe Mixon has missed a few practices. He's not in the Bengals anymore, but his head coach D'Amico Ryans for the Houston Texans said that Mixon will be fine. Sam Darnold expected to see the majority of first team reps in training camp for the Vikings. Again, not a surprise.

Chicago offensive coordinator Shane Waldron and also DeAndre Swift, they praise Caleb Williams, the work he's done since minicamp and now into training camp. Mentally, he's sharper, making better reads. They're happy with the progress Caleb Williams has shown. Baltimore head coach John Harbaugh said,

Rashad Bateman is expected to be a top receiver in the league for us. Wow. He's another good late-round pick. At worst-case scenario, he's somebody that you can cut. I wouldn't take him ahead of Shahid or Palmer at this point. But when you get to one of your last-round selections, there is no Odell Beckham anymore. And should something happen to Zay Flowers, he's going to get a lot of opportunities. And look, if Lamar Jackson

continues to, you know, progress in this offense, which he showed a lot of progress last year, then that just opens the door for him to get a few opportunities where a couple of weeks he may help you. So not a bad guy to stash on your bench. I think he's going to need an injury to either Flowers or Andrews. And it might be Andrews more so than Flowers for him to even sniff six-plus targets per game. He feels like the poster child for the player that gets hyped up, gets picked late, and is on the waiver wire in week two, and then no one even goes back to get him once he's on the waiver wire

because he just doesn't do anything. I'm excited. I'm happy for him, and that Harbaugh likes him. Harbaugh's going to draft him on his fantasy teams. Tack on top of that, what's the track record of wide receivers putting up huge numbers in Baltimore since Lamar's been there?

It hasn't ever been that many. It has never happened. It has never happened. Marquise was one of them and then I think that's it. It's not fair to say, though, because the offense has changed. He's never put up huge numbers, and the offense didn't really change last year. They were still among the bottom in pass attempts.

Right. And so supporting two wide receivers when they might not even be able to support one seems a lot better. And a running back. If Rashad Bateman is good, if Rashad Bateman has a good season, he is going to make one or two of Henry Andrews Flowers.

But that's not the question here. The question is, should you take Rashad Bateman with the late round pick? And the answer is yes. I was not answering that question. I agree with that. But I'm just saying,

you got to be aware. Like they don't, either they start throwing the ball a lot more, which is clearly going to hurt Derrick Henry, or it's going to be bad for Zay Flowers or Andrews or something. Like there's just no way that Flowers, Andrews and Bateman can have good seasons on a team that is almost always among the lowest pass volume teams in the NFL.

Just can't. Maybe Harbaugh's hyped for Bateman's run blocking skills. I mean, maybe he's better. But he was a first round pick too. He just dealt with injuries. Maybe he's good. It's just like I'm saying, makes me nervous about Zay Flowers.

I'm sure it makes you nervous about Zay Flowers, right? You guys don't want to take Zay Flowers as wide receiver 25, do you? No. That's a small part of it, but it's part of it, yes. But it's more he did what he did with Andrew's hurt.

It is interesting though. Um, just based on what we talked about yesterday on, on the sports network show, uh, I know Heath was more taking the injury side of it, but Dave, you took the under on Derek Henry's rushing yards.

I know you said a lot of it will be touchdown related. Um, if he's not a thousand yard rusher, that probably is a good thing for Lamar Jackson, the passing him. Well, no, that was for like bet purposes. Like if I had to take a side,

I would, but you didn't take an injury perspective of it. You took it. You took a, you did say he's going to go under a thousand yards rushing. I think that there's a chance that they limit him a little bit. I think the number one reason why you're drafting Derek Henry this year isn't for the yardage.

It's for the touchdowns. And I think he's going to get a ton of them. Right. But if he's not a yardage and it just, I think it's just a smarter thing to assume that he'll be under, what was it? Nine 50. Around that. He's not a thousand yard rusher. Then there, and he's still scoring 20 touchdowns or close to that.

Then they're moving the ball some way. And I don't think it's all, you know, I mean, Lamar Jackson's not a thousand yard rusher anymore. He's like an 800 yard rusher, you know? So you're talking about either another running back stepping up, which may be the case, you know, could be Keaton Mitchell, by the time he's healthy, could be Justice Hill, it's surprising us. But I would expect it to come in the passing game.

And so that should benefit those guys. Right. Yeah, I think it wouldn't surprise you guys to see Lamar Jackson throw more than, not ever, because in 2021 they were like 13th in pass attempts or something. They were 9th. They were 9th in pass

attempts. This is where they've been in pass attempts the last five seasons. 32nd, 32nd, 9th, 28th, and 30th. So, it wouldn't surprise us if they were like, what, 25th? Would that shock you? No. No.

All right. Nor would it shock me if Derrick Henry had 1,400 rushing yards. All right, let's get to our Miami-signed edge rusher, Emmanuel Ogba. Remember, their two best edge rushers are coming off serious injuries. And Shaq Barrett retired. So all of a sudden they are in dire need of some pass rushing help all right let's take a look at some players that I consider to be good values and thinking that these are four point per passing touchdown leagues

but even in six point Jalen Hurts going 38th overall as QB3. He's basically tied with Patrick Mahomes. In four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues, Jalen Hurts, is he your QB1, guys? No, Allen would still be there. Okay. In six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues, is he your QB3? As of now, two for me. Two for you. All right.

Well, 38th overall is really good. In CBS, it's 29th overall. And all right, it's July 23rd. I don't know how much you think ADP is going to change between now and August 3rd. But last year on August 3rd, we did our quarterback preview. And at that point,

we had three quarterbacks going in the first two rounds. We had Mahomes going 13th, Josh Allen 20th, Jalen Hurts 21st, and then we had Joe Burrow 32nd. We had Lamar Jackson at the 3-4 turn.

We had five quarterbacks going in the first three rounds, basically, three of them going in the top 21. So far this year, two weeks out of that date, we do not have a single quarterback in the first two rounds. So we'll see what happens. It definitely feels a little bit different,

but I expect it to rise. We don't want to spend much time on Hurts. Let's go to the next one. This one's crazy. This is really about running backs being pushed down. James Cook is going 41st overall. He's RB14. one this one's crazy if this is really about running backs being pushed down james cook is going for 41st overall he's rb 14 yeah that'd be great dave as the guy who doesn't like james cook you'd take him 41st overall don't say that i don't like james cook i don't like him as much

as the other analysts on the show yeah that's that's insanely good value. He's a top 30 pick, but closer to 30 for me than 25, 24. And Cook is RB14 on this NFC average draft position. He's RB12, and he's going 27th overall on CBS ADP. Jamie, you'd take him 27th, gladly? I would take him sooner than that, yeah. All right, let's go to Kamara and Ken Walker here. They are... Yeah, I don't really know what to make of this because they're RB 16 and 17.

On NFC, it's Kamara 16, Walker 17. On CBS, it's Walker 16, Kamara 17. And on NFC, Kamara and Walker are going in the 50s, 51st and 53rd overall. So we're into round five now on them, the beginning of round five, which I think would, for me, would really free me up to take other positions earlier,

especially if I started with like McCaffrey or Brees Hall or something. I'd be fine waiting until round five and taking Kamara or Walker as my RB2. I don't know if they're really gonna make it there. So do you guys think, because on CBS, they're going 41st and 44th overall. That's still though, like going back to anything before 23, that's 2023.

That's really late for RB16 and 17. That's usually early round three. Now we're talking about round four or five. Do you think that holds? Do you think we're getting Kamara and Walker in either mid to late round four, maybe even round five, guys? Yes, round four for sure. Agreed.

You like that? Feel good about that? I thought you were trying to beat Kirk Cousins there. Yeah, I do, because these are running backs that have the potential to finish top 12, especially in full PPR in the case of Kamara, and you're getting them after, let's say, after 40th overall. It's pretty good. Okay.

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I'm going to say it's Kyler Murray. He is going as QB 10, 79th overall on NFC, 84th overall on CBS. And when he came back, he was, I think, QB 12 last year, coming off a torn ACL without Marvin Harrison. We have seen at times when he's been healthy that Kyler Murray has been the best quarterback in fantasy for like half season stretches. I love him at QB 10. Honestly, almost to the point where he would be the backbone of my draft strategy.

If I felt confident that I could get Kyler Murray 79th overall. Dave, I see a smile on your face, but I would go into drafts being like, I'm taking Kyler Murray. If not, if he goes, I'll pivot to Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Brock Purdy, that group. But I just love this value for Kyler. What do you think? He's my most rostered quarterback right now. All right. I love it. Where have you been drafting him in your best ball leagues? You got to take him a little bit sooner because it's four points. So I usually draft him in this

range because quarterbacks tend to fall, but he's usually like QB seven or eight for me. Okay. And that's where he's going to be somewhere in that range between QB seven and QB 10. And probably by the time we get to middle of the preseason, he'll be closer to QB seven. So getting ahead of that,

like Jamie did, that seems like it's a good move. He also has a stable floor. He's never been below 20 fantasy points per game in his past four seasons. He hasn't had a huge fantasy average since 2020. And injuries have played a role, and offenses and changing have played a role. Can we – the first question I'm usually asked about him is, well, how can he be so good if he's got a rookie wide receiver? We've talked enough about Marvin Harrison to determine that he

is not a typical rookie wide receiver and that he should be able to make a huge impact. And Kyler's going to lean on him. We've seen Kyler lean on his number one guy on top of that Trey McBride's there on top of that Kyler will run. We still have a little bit of question about the run game in Arizona, but I think it's all, I think it's all warranted with Kyler. And the fact that if you, if you decide, yes, this is one of the best value quarterbacks, and you also recognize what you did, Adam, that there are other quarterbacks that you can fall back to, whether it's Dak and love or Jaden Daniels and the other veterans that are out there. Yeah. This, this is where the Genesis of a good draft plan starts.

And Kyler, there's nothing wrong with starting a draft plan with Kyler. I kind of think it's clever. Well, Love and Dak are going ahead of him. And like I said, I believe this is four point per passing touchdown. And I wouldn't do that personally. I get it with Dak. I don't really think it makes much sense with Love. If Kyler's going QB 10, this is where he's finished every season of his career.

As a rookie, per game, 12th, I'm going to say 4 point per game, and then 6 point per game. I'm going to say, sorry, 4 point and six point per game finish in his five seasons. 12th and 14th, fifth and seventh, fourth, sixth. And then last year, or two years ago,

he was 10th per game and four point, 11th and six point. But he left one game early towards ACL early in that game. And then last year coming off the ACL, he was ninth per game and four points and 11th per game and six points for passing touchdown league. So you are drafting him closer to his floor than his ceiling.

That's always good. Perfect. Okay. Got this group of running backs, 27 through 30 in the rankings. I think we like three of them here. I don't think we like all four of them. They are going about 90th overall. Jonathan Brooks, Tony Pollard, Zach Moss, Austin Eckler.

Jonathan Brooks, Tony Pollard, Zach Moss, Austin Eckler. Am I right in saying that you guys like three of those values, but not all four? Yep. Which one of those four is not like the other? One of these things is not like the other one of these things is not like we don't love eckler there these are arby's 27 through 30 going pretty late 90th overall brooks pollard moss eckler eckler is going to be last how do you guys rank the other three right now still brooks first then moss then pollard. I have Brooks, Pollard, Moss, and then who else is there?

Eckler's going to be last. So those four. Where's the group of Brian Robinson, Jalen Warren, and TyJ Spears? Yeah, not long after. Spears is only eight picks after Pollard in this ADP. Yeah, they're going to go close. They weren't. You know, when we started the draft process,

there was several rounds separating them. Now they're going pretty close. Let's see. So Eckler, so it goes Eckler, then Javante Williams. That's going to change. Spears, then Brian Robinson. Devin, where's Jalen Warren? Oh, Jalen Warren is going ahead of all these guys.

Yeah. RB25. High stakes leagues he does, yeah. Interesting. Why do you think that is? I mean, he outscored Najee last year and did that without catching a touchdown, despite all his receptions. And so the thought is that Najee not getting his fifth-year option picked up,

I think people view it as, okay, there may be a changing of the guard. Warren might be a better fit for what Arthur Smith wants to do. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think some people view it as, okay, there may be a changing of the guard. Uh, Warren might be a better fit for what Arthur Smith wants to do. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think some people view it that way. And this, I do agree with, which will be interesting to see how it plays out. If you just go based on the percentage of carries that he gave Bijan Robinson and Tyler Algier last year, or the combination of Algier and Patterson, that if they're close in carries with what Warren does as a pass catcher, he will be better than Najee.

Unless Najee makes up for it with touchdowns. Yeah. But even, even in that regard in PPR, Warren's touchdowns should not be that far off. Like he's going to have to probably score like 15 rushing touchdowns to make up the difference. If Warren is still getting five or six rushing touchdowns on top of what he

should catch as well, which would probably be two or three. I get the theory for sure. I get skittish about the Steelers running backs just because it's Arthur Smith, and you never know when one guy's going to get 11 carries when he's usually been getting 15, and the other guy only gets three carries. Arthur Smith loves being unpredictable to the point where it's bad for the players that he's coaching. But he really was unpredictable last year.

All right. So I know you guys love this group of Brooks, Moss, Pollard in the 90s. Do you like Brooks, Pollard, Moss, 71, 72, 73, 74 around that range? Because that's their CBS ADP. So that would be the six, seven turn. Basically. I think again, you know, when you're comparing most redraft leagues to most high stakes leagues, you're going to see more balance in terms of running backs and receivers and most high stakes leagues, you're going to see a much heavier receiver bill, you know? So, um, it, again, it's

funny, like, you know, comparing it to best ball formats, uh, you can have 50 wide receivers come off the board before 25 running backs. Yeah, right. That's why I feel like those guys are more 70s than 90s in most of the drafts that our listeners are playing in. That's my guess. So do you still think they're good values there if you're taking Pollard, Moss, and Brooks around 70th overall? Yeah.

Yeah, they're better values, but I get the feeling that that's like the RB dead zone this year. All right, let's talk about Khalil Shakir going 124th overall. That's a round later than Keon Coleman. Jamie, you had been pretty high on Shakir for a while. How do you feel about him going 124th overall?

This is NFC? Yeah. And Samuel's going ahead of both? Oh, Curtis Samuel? I doubt it. Let me see. You'd be surprised. Well, Debo is. Curtis Samuel on CBS, they're like back-to-back.

Coleman is the first one. On CBS, Coleman's 118. Shakir is 140. And Samuel is first one. On CBS, Coleman's 118. Shakir is 140. And Samuel is 141. On NFC, give me one moment here. NFC ADP, let's see. Buffalo, we've got Coleman 110, Shakir 124, and Samuel 130.

Yeah, that surprised me a little bit. Because most most again, best ball drafts, you be shocked to see Samuel sometimes goes first. Um, I it's, to me, it's,

it's one of the more fascinating receiving course to have to look at, you know, that and, and, and the chargers just with the turnover for both of those teams, because there really is no definitive number one guy. Like we could sit here and say the two rookies on those rosters, you know,

just to tie in the Josh Palmer McConkie that we started the show. But for Buffalo, I think Keon Coleman's going to take some time to become the alpha of this offense. And it gives a little bit of a bump early to the two other guys, Shakir having the best rapport with Josh Allen and Curtis Samuel having the best knowledge of Joe Brady's system, even better better than Shakir just because he's played in it in his time in Carolina, which is why I think they targeted him. So for me, I kind of let Coleman go and I just take the,

the, whoever goes last. I still have it right now. I have them back to back. Shakir one spot ahead of Curtis Samuel. I do like Shakir entering his third season. I do like the fact that he was a go-to guy for Josh Allen week 18 in the playoffs.

You know, he was a big factor when Gabe Davis went down and obviously Stefan Diggs was struggling and correct me if I'm wrong, Adam, he caught every one of his targets last year, right? I think one of the rare guys, I'm not the only guy to do that.

Um, clearly limited number of targets, but, um, I know that's something that we would talk about quite a bit here. Yeah. Every target. I'm pretty sure. Wow.

I didn't know that. I thought you were, you were referencing them. I could be wrong. Close. That's amazing. Catch rate though. 87%, 39 catches on 45 targets. Okay. So I'm sorry. Um, but, uh, yeah, he, he, he's got pretty reliable hands. And so, uh, I think we, one of the more recent shows we talked about this, how the, this Bill's offense is going to just feel different and look different, you know, because it, it, it seems as if right now the two best players are the tight end and the running back aside from Josh Allen, you know, so, you know, how much of, of those guys, how much do those guys get a boost in their reception total? You know, Kincaid is obvious, you know, just looking at what his opportunities are. And I'll just go back is obvious, you know, just looking at what his opportunities are.

And I'll just go back to what, you know, Cook did in the in the nine game stretch, including the playoffs with Joe Brady. His receptions popped, you know, so both those guys, I think will be the two

you want to gravitate toward clearly. But for me, I'm just going to kind of play it out if I want a piece of the Bills receiving core, whoever is sitting there last of the three. All right. I'll just finish of the Bills receiving core, whoever is sitting there last of the three. All right. I'll just finish off the good values.

I think both Cowboys running backs are pretty good values. We are talking about a team that scored the most points in football last year. Ezekiel Elliott's going 125th overall. Rico Dowdle, 148th overall. That is an easy Dowdle for me. I mean, I'd rather have Dowdle than Zeke. Just real quick, who do you guys have ranked higher? Zeke. Zeke by two spots, you guys have ranked higher? Zeke.

Zeke by two spots, I think. All right, so I'll be in the minority there, but I feel like if I told you Dowdle two rounds later, you probably would take Rico Dowdle. And the second that they acquire another running back, what do you do with Dowdle? You probably drop him. Who's the other running back, though?

I don't know who it is. We'll find out together. I mean, the two that make the most sense are Khalil Herbert and Javante Williams. I mean, yeah. I just think Zeke. I don't think they're acquiring anybody in that range that is a huge, enough of a threat that the other two guys don't play. Yeah, I shouldn't have said you'd drop him.

But by the way, you should probably be drafting Khalil Herbert just in case he gets traded to Dallas. Nick Chubb going 116th overall. He's going after... Because they could also go get Samaj P. Ryan. You know, like that's the kind of guy they could go get. And there's a couple of other running backs that are just floating around the league that don't fit into the scheme anymore. That are young, that might get an opportunity. Who knows what they're going to do?

And for all we know, they're in love with Rico Dattel. For all we know, they're in love with Deuce Vaughn, and Deuce Vaughn ends up playing a bunch of third down snaps, and they just go past Haywire. Well, I've read two Cowboys articles calling Rico Dattel a breakout player this year, so I'm going to, right now, bet on him personally. I mean, look, he makes the most sense of what they have. Yeah. Nick Chubb, 116th overall. He's going after Jerome personally. I mean, look, he makes the most sense of what they have. Yeah.

Nick Chubb, 116th overall. He's going after Jerome Ford. I think that is a mistake. And Ty Chandler, 141st overall. Ty Chandler's going two to three rounds after Trey Benson, Jerome Ford, Blake Corum. I'm not saying that I don't like those guys better than Chandler, but he's got a 29-year-old or 30-year-old, injury-pr or 30-year-old injury-prone, whatever Jones is, injury-prone running back ahead of him.

He proved himself capable last year. I actually think he's going to get some work, even when Aaron – like a decent amount of work, even when Aaron Jones is healthy. So Chandler, if you miss out on those handcuffs and you want one, that's good at 141 overall. I've got him as a round 10 pick. Jones will turn 30 this year.

Chandler did step up last year. And as long as he starts to deliver more consistency, that's what O'Connell's been talking about with him for the last, it's been almost 12 months. And if he does that this year, then who knows? Jones could get hurt and Chandler could be someone you're starting every week. There's three, maybe four veteran guys to varying degrees that are worth taking chances on Chandler is one, um, just based on his potential of Aaron Jones who missed plenty of time last year with hamstring injuries and getting the chance. Like you said, he stepped

up last year when Alexander Madison got hurt and struggled and can't makers didn't do anything when he joined the team uh tuba hubbard early in the season you know especially if jonathan brooks isn't ready to go he's basically free you know so another good value and then two guys i know adam you you're you've drafted this one a couple of times but makes some sense is damian pierce you know just because he may get an opportunity again uh joel mixon's banged up for whatever it's worth right now, and I don't think Cam Akers is that much of a factor. And then I hate to say the name because it's going to make a lot of people queasy,

but he is second on the depth chart still, and that's Clyde Edwards-Alaire. You know, the other guy's just basically free. These are just two guys in CEH and Pierce that once upon a time, clearly very good, most of the time very bad. But if something were to happen to the guy in front of them, volume will matter in that case.

I'm going to call it a slight long shot, but could Clyde Edwards-Hilaire, who had what did he have, like 60-plus catches at LSU his last year? 55 his last year. Could he be the third down back? Because he was sort of splitting with Pacheco

as the third down back, but played more than Pacheco the third down back? Because he was sort of splitting with Pacheco as the third down back, but played more than Pacheco on third down when McKinnon was out last year. Not enough to be fantasy relevant, probably, but I wonder if he could take Pacheco. Pacheco missed time last year with a shoulder injury. You know, there's a path for him to be fantasy relevant again. Again, you don't want to buy into it because of what he's been but this is still one of the best offenses in football i know last year it wasn't the case but i still believe they're one of the best offense football and if he were to

get that opportunity and he get those chances then you might have a lottery ticket on your hands they appeared to split third down red zone snaps in the playoffs last year pacheco and clide until the super bowl and then mckinnon was in there and he played a couple of yeah third down red zone snaps in the playoffs last year, Pacheco and Clyde, until the Super Bowl, and then McKinnon was in there, and he played a couple of third down red zone snaps. CEH did play more on third down in the regular season than Pacheco when McKinnon was out. But when McKinnon was in, it was like all McKinnon on third down, not third and one or whatever, but third and passing.

When McKinnon was out, it was a split with CEH slightly ahead. All right, so here's some bad values, guys. That wouldn't scare me off of Pacheco at all. Oh, no, no, no, no. This isn't an anti-Pacheco thing. It's just a lottery ticket thing. Well, actually, I would say that if Clyde Edwards-Zuller had the Jarek McKinnon role and played and was the passing downs guy, then probably Pacheco would be disappointing.

I think that would be a big... The ceiling would be kept. Yeah. All right, some of the players that I think are bad values, we talked about Pittman going 26th overall on NFC as opposed to 50th overall on CBS. We got this group of receivers going in the third round, mid to late third round.

DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, Stefan Diggs. And are you comfortable with any of them in 32 to 36 overall? DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, Stefan Diggs. The only one that I like

of that group is Metcalf and I wouldn't take him that soon. The only one I like is Moore and I would take him in that range in full PPR.

And would you take, here's some guys going after them. Cooper Cup, Travis Kelsey, Josh Jacobs, Debo Samuel. Going after them? Going after Moore, Metcalf, and Diggs. We're still using NFC, ADP, right?

I'll take them ahead of Moore. Still NFC, ADP. Give me names again. Moore, Metcalf, and Diggs are going 32nd to 36th overall. Would you take these guys ahead of more Metcalf and Diggs? Kup, Kelsey, Jacobs, Debo Samuel. Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Yes, I would take all of them ahead of all those guys. Metcalf in that mix, though. Okay. Diggs going that soon is a little crazy, but give me the number of wide receivers that they are. Probably right around 20, but let me double-check for you. Mm-hmm. And I'll tell you right now.

I have the page open. 19, 20, 20. No, 18 more, 19 Metcalf, 20 is Cup, and then Diggs is 21. So more too soon, and Diggs too soon. And then we got wide receiver 24, Malik Neighbors, going 42nd, and wide receiver 26, say Flowers, going 49th. Are those bad? I really hesitate to say that neighbors is a bad value, but there's obviously a lot of downside there.

And there's George Pickens going after him and Amari Cooper and Christian Kirk and T Higgins. So I think it's bad value. So Pickens is the one that's weird to me simply because the argument for neighbors and even flowers, especially in high stakes leagues and best ball leagues is you're, you're, you're shooting for the most upside.

And I don't see those guys having the same type of upside out of pickings. He's again, done it before. And it's shown you the ability. I think that you can do it again. Um, but I get it. I mean, look, you know, you're trying to win leagues. I took neighbors earlier than I expected to in, in fishbowls first time I drafted him. But again, I'm trying to win a 3,000-person league. So you're trying to hit on as many different type of scenarios that you could possibly come up with. If we have – if this was Daniel Jones coming off of 2022, it would make a little bit more sense because playing well and okay.

Dables got his hands on him and he looked good and all those things and blah, blah, blah. You're asking Daniel Jones coming off a torn ACL, no less to try and support this uber talented wide receiver. Now, again, I think what the formula is, is, is right. You know, they, they've tried to build up the offensive line. They've tried to put pieces around Daniel Jones. They're trying to put him in a spot to be better.

And hopefully that's the case. But with the contract situation and the injury clause, with the fact that he's already hurt coming off of this situation, you're asking this guy to support him. And Oh, by the way, if he fails, now you're asking drew lock to support him. So I prefer it as well. I was happy to get drew lock in our dynasty league um i i i think you know any any opportunity that he gets to get some quality targets he's going to take advantage of and he's gonna get a lot of targets and that's the thing so does it seem too hot yes but like you

said yesterday we were talking about you know critiquing our own sleepers breakouts and busts our colleague sleepers breakouts and busts like sometimes colleague sleepers breakouts and busts. Like sometimes it's, it's a matter of, you know, six or seven picks or maybe, you know, half a round, you know, a full round. I don't, I don't hate it. I just feels a little too soon. It does feel too soon. And NFC is a lot like fishbowl where you're trying to, you know, eradicate the competition. And so people are going to reach and be more aggressive and go for the upside.

And I think neighbors has just as much upside as pickings to be honest. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Flowers is the one that I think talent wise, he can go. Talent wise, he's ahead of pickings, but he's just not in the best situation compared to the other two pickings and neighbors are really in spots where they might be able to flirt with 140 targets this year.

All right. I'm going to say Jaden Reed at 70th overall. I mean, wide receiver 36. It doesn't feel too high, but I think, I don't know that we brought it up on this show. We brought it up on our live stream on our CBS Sports Network show yesterday, Jamie. Let's talk about the text chat that we had about Jaden Reed and the Packers wide receivers and how last year, well, I'll let you say it, but it's, it's a concern about how much he'll be on the field.

Yeah. I mean, in, in three receiver sets versus two receiver sets, when Christian Watson was healthy neighbor neighbors, uh, Reed was off the field in two receiver sets with the one constant being Romeo Dobbs. And so, you know, what are they going to do now? Their personnel is a little bit up in the air from the standpoint of Tucker craft right now is dealing with a pectoral injury and he may not be ready to go. So if they're not going to be in a lot of two tight end sets, which I think we could see quite a bit because their tight ends are pretty talented also. Um, how are they mixing and matching their, their receiving core? And if Dobbs is the constant, which, you know, you ask a lot of fantasy players that

are, you know, the, the experienced ones and, you know, you're getting a lot of love for Dontabian Wicks, understandably. So, um, Dobbs is really the constant, like, you know, people would say, well, it's gotta be Reed and Watson or, or Watson and, and, and Wicks, you know, but Dobbs is the guy that they rely on. He's probably a good blocker and, you know, does the things I think that they are, are comfortable with. It's such a young group. You know does the things i think that they are are comfortable with it's such a young group you know the the two veteran guys are dobbs and watson they're both entering their third season reed year two wicks year two um so i it feels like and i think you know if you've been watching us how i come out on this if watson you tell me right now watson's playing

anything north of 13 games i'm probably moving him up about three rounds. But we just have to bake in the fact that he's just had a hard time staying healthy. And that's a huge risk at this point. So is he overvalued at wide receiver 36? Probably not. But to take him that early overall, it's just a matter of, again, receivers getting pushed up too much.

Yeah, like would you guys rather have the Tony Pollard, Zach Moss, brooks group or jayden reed so the the thing and and dave you can you know answer this as well in in how you feel but when you're in these drafts and it's such a heavy receiver run you know so this is what round five, you said six, six. Yeah. So you're in round six and now 36 receivers that come off the board. Like, do you want to start Jamison Williams? Do you want to start Keon Coleman? Do you want to start Xavier worthy? A lot of people say yes.

And I get it. Um, so it's a matter of, you know, do you pivot and say, okay, I want to win the running back position. I want to win, you know, at this, uh this flex a different way and not have to deal with the receiver heavy builds, you know? So like the, the draft I, I, I did last night where I got out of pick one pick, um, my first two picks at 12 were Jameer Gibbs and Marvin Harrison. And immediately you're, you're behind that receiver because you know, when it comes back

to you and at the three, four turn, you're talking about wide receivers 30 31 32 at that point wow do you remember who was left yeah i took um i pivoted because again i didn't want to reach so i pivoted and i took javis etn at 30 uh was yeah i love it um that's that's and and ch Godwin. That was the next best receiver for me. Right. Because you know you're going to get values at other positions later if the receivers are going that early. So to sum it up,

Jaden Reed was not on the field in two receiver sets when Christian Watson was healthy. Jaden Reed had one of the highest slot rates in the NFL last year among wide receivers that actually played enough. And the Packers don't run a lot of three receiver sets. They haven't so far under the floor last year. I mean, they were 21st.

They were 21st. Yeah, they don't they don't run as many as some of the other teams. So that is a potential playing time crunch if everything plays out like the way it did last year. But is that do you have that year over year? Yeah. So what you want that year over year? Yeah. So what you want me to look? All right.

So they were 20. I just want to see if that's a LaFleur stapler. How's he adjusted? I think I looked. Yeah, they were 22nd in 2022. Let's see where they were in 2021. 15th. They're not going to lead the league,

but they're not going to be among the leaders, it seems. And he was there in 2020, right? They were 24th. So they've been outside the top 20 in three of the last four years. Oh, they're consistent though to lead the league, but they're not going to be among the leaders. It seems. And he was there in 2020, right? They were 24th. So they've been outside the top 20 and three of the last four years in three. Yeah. But it's, it's not that that's the thing. It's not like a huge difference between 20 and 10 in this stat and percentage

of receipt, three receiver sets. So I'm not making too big of a deal of it, but you just should know that if they're in their two receiver sets, it could hurt Jaden Reed. Last guy I have on here is Cortland Sutton. I just like have no desire to have Sutton on my team. I caught so many touchdowns last year

and he wasn't even that good. You know, you do have to take away his last two games as he barely played, but all he did was score touchdowns. What's that? And Russell wasn't there. And Russ, yeah. So I don't know.

Like I'd rather have 106th overall. I think I'd rather take running back handcuffs that have league winning upside and then wait another round or two and take Khalil Shakir and Josh Palmer and some of these guys we've talked about than take Cortland Sutton. I don't see how Sutton's helping me win a league personally, but that's just me. I'm at the point where in my rankings Sut like Sutton's kind of like the, the, the guy I just want to keep moving down.

So like, I think I have him right now just ahead of Palmer and, and Shahid. And I can't even justify it. If you take away half of his touchdowns from last year, make it 10 to five, keep everything else. He averaged the same amount of fantasy points as Gabe Davis,

Curtis Samuel, Marquise Brown, kind of in that range. Yeah. All right. Well, you guys want to hear about the name calling? Yes. Oh, my God. So we had the playoffs last night, and we're the seventh seed out of seven.

We have not won a game. And we're playing the two seed, and we get off to a 3-0 start, 3-0 lead in the first inning. We're playing well. You're still a second baseman, right? Still a second baseman, yeah. Played well last night. And what number batter are you?

The last batter. I'm the worst hitter. And that's really the most important part of this story. I haven't had a hit in weeks. Like, I haven't gotten a hit in weeks. Now, granted, I get two at-bats a week. But, no, I don't strike out. So, slow pitch softball, wooden bats.

Orly alert. Every bat is too heavy for me. I'm such a wimp. Anyway, it's the bottom. It's the top of the seventh inning, and now we're down 5-4. It's the last inning. I think the dog was just calling you a wuss. Yeah, I don't blame him.

And I'm up second. I'm due up second in this inning. So I'm an important batter. We have top of the order behind me. And I say to my friend on the team, I think I'm just going to hit a slow chopper to third base and try to beat it out. Because I can't get a hit otherwise.

But I don't think I can do it if our leadoff runner gets on. Long story short, our leadoff runner gets on. I'm like, you know what? I'm still going to do it. So my intention is to just try to put the ball in play and everyone beats out the throw. I was going up there with the intention of chopping it. Instead, I basically do a swinging bunt where I dribble the ball. I mean, I hit a perfect dribbler halfway up the third baseline, and it worked. It worked perfectly. Everybody was safe.

The other team flips out. They are so – you're not allowed to bunt. So the umpire – they're like, he bunted, he bunted. The umpire calls me back. He's like, that's a strike. You bunted. I'm like, I didn't bunt. I swung.

Like, it was the weakest swing in the history of slow pitch softball, but it was a full swing. And it was he talked to the other umpire. They were like, he's safe. These guys, especially the middle infielders, they were so mad that I did this. They're talking about me. Like, believe me, if I were big, they wouldn't have said anything. But they're picking on the scrawniest guy in the town of Chappaqua. And it's like, they're like, oh, they're calling me like a really nasty word that i can't say on the air i eventually get the second base on a fielder's choice they're like the guy walks by me goes what he says like that's embarrassing or something like that like that's pathetic and they're calling like they are so mad about it then one play later there's a sacrifice fly there's a well there's a fly ball to right field i tag up they think i think I didn't tag up. They throw behind me. They think I'm out. I'm safe. They're going crazy. After the game, they're ranting about how I bunted.

They're insulting my manhood. It just went on and on. Very long story short, I'm on third base. I'm the tying run. We had our best hitter up. He grounded out, unfortunately, and we lost. We gave the number two seed a run. But at the end of the game, I went up to the guy who's still bitching about it.

Ten minutes later, I'm like, dude, I didn't bunt. I swung. What are you doing? Like, it's the lowest level of sloping softball in this tiny town. You're going crazy about it. And whatever. If I were bigger, I would have punched him. But I'm not.

How proud of you were you for your swinging bunt? I was a little embarrassed myself. It was so weak and so pathetic, but it worked. But you did what you wanted to do and then you tagged up the second and you're the winning runner. You should have heard these guys how crazy they were going.

It's like, are you kidding? I thought that you'd be like beaming with pride over it. No, no. And I didn't say anything either until the end when they were just carrying on for so long, and they won. Anyway, that was my night. Yeah, that's a little childish.

It's very childish. But that's the only way I could reach base. So if we do play them again. Can you start having people record your at-bats, please? You don't want to see my at-bats. Yes, I do. It's just a ground out or a fly out. The season's over, right?

No, we're now in the loser's bracket. So now we have to win out. Now you can bunt all you want to in the loser's bracket. Actually, no, we're not in the loser's bracket. I think it's a double elimination tournament. So we'll, you know, we'll be done next week.

Hopefully, I'd love to play them again. And then if I come up, I'm going to be like, infield in! We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today, everybody. We have Jacob Gibbs coming on tomorrow to talk about his projections and some really interesting stuff from Jacob.

I hope you're reading. I read his Rams projections yesterday in the newsletter. Did you read them all? Yeah, I did. It was awesome. I learned about some run-blocking schemes. Really coolening. Yeah, I do. It was awesome. So I learned about some run blocking schemes, really cool stuff. Talk to you then.