Fantasy Football Today - Best Draft Values, The All-FFT Team, Terry McLaurin/Tyjae Spears News and More (08/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

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What a play! Can you believe this? It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Oh, a big show today, a big week. Last night we had the Podcast League, Draft 14 teams, PPR.

We'll tell you about that at the end of the show. some takeaways from a 14-team league. Tonight we have the podcast Superflex League draft. Heath and I are in that one. That's 10-team Superflex. We've got the draft-a-thon show tomorrow Wednesday, 5 to 8 p.m. We have amazing guests coming on from around the industry,

from not in the industry, from CBS. We're going to have one hour of Jamie laughing hysterically when Will Brinson and Pete Priscoe and Nando Defino do ridiculous things. So be there at YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. That is tomorrow Wednesday. at 5 to 8 p.m. Eastern. Welcome everybody to fantasy football today, presented by BetMGM,

the sports book born in Vegas. Today, we have the best and worst values, according to average draft position, and we have something called the All-FFT team. Dave, are you excited for the All-FFT team? Hell yeah. What's the All-FFT team? I looked at consensus rankings.

Keith and Dan? Adam's going to screw this up somehow. Go ahead. I looked at the consensus rankings. consensus rankings on CBS. So you, Jamie Heath, compare that to ADP on both fantasy pros

and CBS and came up with the players that you guys are higher on than ADP by the most spots, basically. So, you know, here's Jamie's guys, here's Dave guys, here's he's, well, here's CBS's guys, basically.

So I think it'll be fun. Okay. All right, okay. Yeah. I want to hear about that. Should we start with that? Yeah. How was your vacation? Vacation. My three-day vacation.

It was really good. We got there. We got to our little beach hotel on Saturday, and they go, hey, the beach is closed because of the hurricane that was stirring up the water in the Atlantic, and nobody's allowed on the beach. And then on Sunday and Monday, we were allowed on the beach, but not in the water. So, but I didn't care. It was great.

We had a really nice time. It was good to relax for a bit. Thank you for asking. Thank you for filling in for me yesterday. Jamie, how was your three-day vacation? I slept two hours last night. All right. Here's the all-FFT team.

Players that we're higher on than consensus. No, then, sorry, than ADP. Okay, they're not great names of quarterback. Nothing too juicy. We're a little higher on Justin Fields. We have them 10th. he's going 12th, little higher on Jared Gough. He's going, we have him 11th, he's going 13th.

Little higher on Jordan Love, actually. We have him 14th, he's going 17th, and Trevor Lawrence. We have him 16th, he's going 20th. We have four quarterbacks on our all-FFT team. I would say Love and Lawrence. And I would say still- Waited until round 15 to get two quarterbacks on our all-fft team. Yeah, I mean, ADP and rankings are pretty similar at quarterback.

Running back. I like the team's chances. At the top, we like Gibbs over Barclay. We like Chase Brown and Bucky Irving ahead of Jonathan Taylor and Kyron Williams, not just Jacobs. We like Brown and Bucky over Taylor and Kyron. We're a little higher on Ken Walker.

We have him 15th. He's going 17th. This is on fantasy pros. We definitely are higher on Travian-Henderson. We have him as RB 16. He's going 20th on CBS and 18th on fantasy pros. pros. We're actually higher on Chuba Hubbard. We never, Jamie, we never really talk about Chuba Hubbard. He gets lost in the excitement of Trayvion Henderson and the falling of

Breece Hall and the question marks of Ken Walker. And then there's Chuba Hubbard, who we have 17th. I just moved him ahead of Camara last night. Oh, Camara is basically, arguably the worst ADP on CBS. He's at the two, three turn. Right. Unless he just does where he's going on NFC. Unless Camara just does what he does every year and that he's good there. I don't think he will. No, we don't think so. But no, I mean, so you move Chuba Hubbard ahead of, who'd you say, Camara? Yeah.

Yeah, I would talk about Chuba Hubbard real quick because we have him 17th. He's RB 20 on 17th at running back. He's RB20 on fantasy pros and let's see if, not really a big discrepancy on CBS. But yeah, go ahead, Chuba Hubbard. I think he's a safe number two running back. You know, you saw what he was able to accomplish last year. I don't think Rico Doudal and Trevor Eatina had some concerns after the draft and free agency that maybe they would.

cut into his workload, but I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case to a huge degree. It seems like they like Rico on third downs based on what we saw on the preseason, but I don't think it's going to hinder him from being a top 20 caliber running back, you know, depending on where you think he'll finish, whether that's closer to, you know, 13 or, you know, 18, 19. I would take all three of Triple H over him because I think there's more upside with those three guys. But I think if you're just looking for a safe fallback, running back, very easy pick at the back end of round four. Okay, who else at running back?

Okay, so the funny thing about this is the ones that really show up are the later guys. Zach Charbonnet, Braylon Allen, Tank Bigsby, Austin Echler on Fantasy Proes. We're a lot higher on Zach Charbonnet. We have 31. He's going 34th on Fantasy Proz. Braylon Allen, huge riser. 34th, we have him. He's going 43rd.

It's a little deceiving because he's going earlier in Fantasy Pros. Dave, you mentioned it yesterday. they have this kind of real-time ADP over the last 24 hours. And Braylon Allen is, I think, around 105th overall. He's probably closer to where we have them. But we're higher on Tank Biggsby 2.

On CBS, Jalen Warren, we're higher on than ADP. We have him as RB28 in our consensus PPR rankings is going 31st. Jordan Mason, 30th in consensus, 35. So I think 35 and ADP. So guys like Charbonnet, these backup running backs

are going to have a really, role, Jordan Mason, Zach Sharbonnet, Braylin Allen, Jalen Warren, if you want to call him a backup, whatever. We're a little higher on them than consensus. Now, it gets more fun at wide receiver. And I would say Nico Collins, Nico Collins and Cortland Sutton are big ones for us. We have Nico as wide receiver four.

He's going sixth on fantasy pros. He's going seventh on CBS. So we have him ahead of Malik neighbors and Amon-Ross St. Brown in our consensus rankings. Sutton is just way ahead. We have him 17th. Sutton is 24th on CBS. Jerry Judy is another one.

We're like eight spots ahead with Jerry Judy on, according to consensus rankings versus ADP. Now, some of that I think might be Heath, but I think everyone is at least a little bit ahead of ADP with Jerry Judy. What is ADP? Jerry Judy on fantasy pros, his ADP is 36th. And we have him as wide receiver 26th.

On CBS, it's 31, and we have Judy at 26. We're much higher on Jalen Waddle. We have him 27th, and he's going 36th on CBS and 31st in fantasy pros. And, you know, JSN on CBS, we have him as wide receiver 13. Basically, we have JSN ahead of the older guys, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, and Tyreek Hill, and he is being drafted after them. So those were really the big ones. the wide receiver was the most interesting.

I would say Nico, Cortland Sutton, J.S.N. to a degree. Jerry Judy are probably the headliners. Teteroa McMillan, an honorable mention as well. And then tight end, the only guy that I think we're a lot higher on in terms of he's tight end X for us

and tight end Y and ADP would be Najuku. I think it's tight end four for us in consensus and tight end 8 and ADP. Been that way all offseason. But we are higher on, Trey McBride is in terms of where he's being drafted. We have Trey McBride as a two-three-turn player,

and his ADP is closer to the three-four turn. And we're a little higher on George Kittle. We have him around 33rd, and he's going about 38th or so. The biggest takeaway at tight-end, guys, is that we are so much lower on the mid-round tight-ends. You know, guys like Leporta and Kelsey and Hawkinson, they're going around 60th or so overall. and we like these guys more 75, 80 like that.

So wait to get that value at tight end with those mid-round guys. Or just take Najoku. Again, you know, wait there. He should not be, he shouldn't, he's probably like in the 80s or 90s in terms of where we have them. So that's, Dave, what's your reaction to or the all FFT team? Well, first of all, I think we could definitely put together a competitive team. I would like to think we could do better a quarterback than what we've got. But if we started the year with Fields and golf, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

We'd probably end up starting golf more weeks than fields. The tight ends. I think we've all bought in to the phrase that Jamie coined, greater late. It's such a great phrase. And it makes so much sense. And I think fantasy managers understand that it's a great strategy because when you take the tight ends early with high expectations and they hit, yeah, of course, you're going to be thrilled that you've got that difference maker on your team. It's just the hope that they hit. I think this year there's only three names on that list.

I think all three of them have a great chance to hit. And therefore, waiting on tight end, it's so much easier to do because I really just think you're the differentiators between Tucker Kraft, T.J. Hawkinson, Mark Andrews. You can rank them any way you want. I know that the guys are more excited about Hawkinson and Andrews than I am. But they're all in that range of 10 to 12 p.PR point per game tight ends. And the fact that you can get them late round seven through round nine just seems like really good value, especially when the running back in receiver positions start to peter out a little bit. It's a great pivot to make if you don't take a tight end early.

Adam, just while we're on the topic, we did our pick by pick yesterday. Yeah. Would you like to know where those tight ends went amongst us? Yeah. Okay. So did they go great or late? Well, I just got to say, Jamie, hold on. you got to so when you lean forward i can't really hear you so i know um i just had to get to uh i'm

referring to more of the middle tight ends uh that group so laporta went around seven yeah which we will never see on most drafts nope uh round round i think i took him on a team with like two other lions players don't know if i love it took the porter round seven uh i took nijoku kelsey went round eight i'm sorry hawkinson went around seven I bet you can't guess who took him. Kelsey went in round eight. Njoku went right after him in round eight. And then Ingram went in round 10.

Okay. All right. So I built one team where I just completely punted on tight end, and I took Ferguson and Pitts with my last two picks. If I were going to put a thumbnail up for the all-FFT team, it would be Nico Collins and Cortland Sutton. And then you heard Jacob came on last week and talked about how If you remove under center snaps, if you remove scrambles, if you remove screens,

the guys that have the best target per out run rate or yards per out run rate, yards per out run rate, on like a typical dropback, Cortland Sutton really excelled there. So I know he's high on Cortland Sutton too. We all seem to really like Cortland Sutton. As Jamie's mentioned this a lot, but from weeks 8 through 17, he was amazing. He was on pace for 104 catches, 1,334 yards, and nine times. touchdowns. And that, by the way, is removing week 18. Because week 18 was this monster week where the chiefs benched their starters, the Broncos played theirs. You even take that out. And

Cortland Sutton was amazing from weeks 8 through 17. But don't take it out though. It makes it better. Yeah. If you leave it in, it's even better. But if you want to take away Bowenix is a 40 plus point game. I mean, I would. I would do that personally because he's playing a preseason game. Almost eight targets per game for Sutton last year. And he's a sync with Bo Nix again this year. We saw it in the preseason and the joint practices, alpha receiver. I want to get your best and worst values. I'm going to ask you for two great values based on ADP, two bad values based on ADP. First, though, let me tell you about the draft athon. So the show is tomorrow, Wednesday, 5 to 8 p.m. Eastern. We are going to have guests

from, you know, different sites, different publications on our show. We're also going to have non-sports guests. So I think just one, actually, but it'll be really fun, really funny. So join us at YouTube.com slash fantasy football today, 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. Eastern. And of course, we're raising money. We're going to try to get over the 200,000 mark for St. Jude, and we need you to help us out with that. So tomorrow is going to be a fundraiser. If you're watching on YouTube, you can just donate there. And we're, you know, we're really looking forward to it.

Do we have an updated total after Heath's big day? Which we really get a chance to talk to him. That's my fault. His big day in Memphis. I honestly don't know if it's included in what I'm seeing on the website, which is 168,000. I don't think it is. I don't think it is either. So, I don't know. Give me two great values based on average draft position.

And by the way, it's, I think, difficult to figure out which ADP to use. You know, Fantasy Pros has that 24-hour ADP. Dave used NFC ADP over the last 10 days. Jamie used CBS ADP. So I actually think it's good. We're going to give you different sites, different ADPs, and we'll compare them. But, Dave, give me two great values. I'm going to start with Alvin Kamera at 4.

48.3. This is from, you just said it, Adam, NFC ADP, these are competitive, buy-ins, lots of really good fantasy drafters playing against one another. Over the last 10 days, it's 170 drafts. So they get a lot of people joining their leagues. And Alvin Camara is going basically at the end of round four, maybe trickling into the start of round five. And I can't resist that. I think I'm the high guy on Camara amongst the three of us. But even our consensus is middle round four. And we know that he's got a high ceiling. I know our ADP at CBS, it's a little bit too high.

I think part of that might be because of the projections that sports line has for Alvin Camara. They are all in on Alvin Camara having another big year. And I think if he stays healthy, he can get there. So really somebody that I love getting in round four, I would even consider taking him full PPR. I need a running back. Round three is fine with me for him.

But I really think that ADP is fantastic for Alvin Camara. and I also like the ADP for Patrick Mahomes on NFC. He's going about 71st overall, sixth quarterback off the board. That's not a surprise. But I like that you're getting him at the end of round six. I think that's more than a fair value for a quarterback who hasn't delivered expectations over the course of two full seasons. But there have been moments in each of last two.

And specifically last year, like the last two thirds of last season, excuse me, Mahomes was good. And I think he can still be good. We don't know how the right suspension could impact him, but they've got a bunch of pass catchers. The offensive line looks better. Pacheco is a good running back, but I don't know what else they really have in their backfield that they're going to lean on. I think Mahomes has a chance to be better than what is ADP suggests. I wanted to ask you guys about that because that was one of the things that really stood out from the Bears Chiefs game, which was the best of the preseason week three games.

It was starters versus starters for about a quarter. and man, was Patrick Wilhelm's aggressive. So they spent all off-season talking about how aggressive they're going to be, how they're going to throw the ball down field more, how they're going to be more explosive. And this is the most important thing for Mahomes. His 20-plus-yard touchdown passes over the last seven seasons. 15, 15, 15, 11, 7, still had a great year when he only had seven.

But then the last two years, three touchdowns of 20 or more yards, four touchdowns of 20 or more yards. That's seven combined in the last two seasons. seasons they i just thought that he he i just thought that he looked like a guy that was determined to get back to what he was i drafted him last night in the podcast league 60 second overall but that was my biggest takeaway from um from preseason week three was that the chief's offense looked extremely different than the junk we saw the last two years of short short short short short short what are your expectations for him with rice and without rice well rice was

the field. Actually, that was the other part of this. Like, if they do this, it's probably bad for Rishi Rice. So, I think they just, well, he's not going to get nearly as many targets if he's being targeted downfield. But with and without Rice, you know, I don't really know how it's going to play out.

He was... I mean, it is, let me rephrase. Is Rice a two-point boost for him? A four-point boost for him? Like, because he's going to be around 20 points per game. I mean, at the floor. The floor will be 20 points. Like, we've seen the worst of him. It's not about right.

to me, Jamie, it's about worthy. You know, like, Rice is fine, worthy is the X factor. They were so bad on deep balls. I guess my point would be is both of them there makes him potentially elite. I think he could be elite. One of them there could hamper him to an extent. In his last 10 games of 2024, Mahomes averaged 24 fantasy points per game, Rice was on the field for zero of them.

Right. Yeah. So to answer your question, I do think that Rice provides a boost. It could be two to three points per game. That's a lot. That's a lot. Maybe two. And I think when Rice plays, it's going to be terrible for Kelsey. When when Rice plays, I think Rice and Kelsey are probably going to be the ones that might benefit from teams playing heavy zone coverage, too high safety, trying to deter the Chiefs from throwing deep downfield. I just think the Chiefs have come up with some new ways to beat that coverage downfield. and I that's what gets me a little bit more amped from homes and if they can't do it all right then they'll just you know death by a million paper cuts by throwing a bunch of eight yard slants to rice and you know some digs and hitch patterns to kelse I just think it's it to be honest like personnel clearly matters here I think the offensive line being improved is huge it's very but I really think it comes down to what their mindset is because it's It's pretty clear based on how they play most of their games. Hey, we need you to go get a score in the fourth quarter. He goes and gets one. Field goal touchdown, whatever, puts them in position to do what they have to do. He's just that good.

If they want to do that on every drive and not just, you know, settle for this, you know, you say death by paper cuts. Last year it felt like death by death, you know, just watching them play in a lot of cases because it was just so painful. And they now have the ability with everybody there for however long everybody's there. with Brown as the third receiver with a field stretcher and Tyquan Thornton

with what Rice and still Kelsey can do if he's in better shape and all these things like if the mindset is hey get to November December and then flip the switch then we're probably going to be frustrated by the Chief's offense again

if it's hey I want to be back in the MVP conversation I'm patting my legacy now it's not just rings it's numbers and he could be a 5,000 year passer I mean we know he's capable of that so his pendulum swings very much in, you know, I think the top five range, because he can get there easily.

And you also could be saying, I can't believe I didn't take Baker Mayfield or Bonix or Doc Prescott or even Justin Fields and Drake May, you know, because they're running. And I wasted a pick on Patrick Mahler. Yeah, you could. All right. Well, I'm going to get Jamie's two great values after I tell you about that MGM. If you haven't signed up for BEDMGM yet, use the bonus code fantasy and you're going to get up to a $1,500. first bet offer on your first wager with BetMGM. So here's what you do. You download the BetMGM app and you sign up and use the bonus code fantasy. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. Just 10 bucks. You're going to receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets if your bet loses. Just make sure you use the bonus code fantasy when you sign up. Be right back with Jamie's best values and worse values after this. Now streaming. Everyone who comes into this clinic is a mystery.

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Jamie's looking at CBS average draft position and what did you? to come up with in terms of two of your favorite values? Two of my favorite values would be DeMario Douglas at 203 overall, which is just laughable. And I'll go with, I don't want to say like somebody who's going to start to rise. So like, Ollie Gordon's just silly at 140, but I'll say Dylan Samson at 179, even though he's going to rise. So, yeah, I could look at Dylan Samson in the real-time Fantasy Pros ADP, 142nd. and he's going eight spots ahead of Jerome Ford. So he's RB 46 and Jerome Ford is RB 52.

Do you think 142 sounds about right for Dylan Sampson? No, too low. Way too low. And you guys did talk about this yesterday, but you're definitely favoring him over Jerome Ford? At this point, yes. He's looked better. I thought he actually looked outstanding

in the preseason run that he got with Flacco and starters last weekend. I'll go back to what I said yesterday, like the pass protection could be an issue. You know, just we'll see how that holds up. Right. So that could take it. I don't think he's going to play very many passing downs. I think that's still going to be Jerome Ford's back.

But he just looks like a faster, more impactful type of runner than Jerome Ford. And Ford looked good too. I just think that Samson's better. And he feels like the type of running back that you could draft late and potentially start week one against Cincinnati. All right, Jamie, how about two bad values based on CBS average draft position? I mean, one is just laughable, and that's Camaro. You know, so I, you can like Camara. Dave said third round, that's fine.

I wouldn't touch him there. 26th overall, there's no way I would take him there. So that, to me, is just, you're really hoping that he's going to be the exact same guy or maybe better. And I can't, I can't buy into that. The other one that I would say is a little too soon for me would be LaPorte at 58. It just, it's hard to envision him living up to that. round capital draft round capital when there's so many other tight ends you can just wait for it that could be similar production if not better here are some players that are in our

consensus rankings 26 through 30 think about these names compared to camara lad mcconkey js n james cook and then a couple of quarterbacks amarian hampton's in there george kittles in there i don't know if you can make an argument for camara over any of those guys even though Camara's been ultra-productive for all but like one of his last five years. And it's because we're worried about the Saints offense. I'm not worried about Camara and his talent. I know that he's not getting a ton of long runs. Adam, you've illustrated that.

I think it's a lot more about how bad this offense could be and how many touchdowns they might not score. But that being said, like Camara is still a candidate to average 15 PPR points per game. And if you draft them accordingly, you should be fine. but that does mean middle of round three at the absolute earliest and round four if you can make it happen. Camara hasn't had a run longer than 30 yards in four years. How many receptions does he have longer than 30 yards?

That's a good question. I'll look it up if you don't know the answer. No, I don't. But in half PPR, he has never been worse than 14th per game. He has been worse than 10th per game only once. And in his last four years, in half PPR, He's been 5th, 14th, 8th, and 6th per game. And again, he hasn't had a good,

he hasn't been a good rusher in any of those seasons. You want more inspiration for Alvin Camara? And by the way, I haven't drafted Alvin Camara at all because I, you know, I don't want these older guys. He's 30 years old. What did your team look like last night, though? Why, super old? Did you go McCaffrey.

McCaffrey, Tyree Kill, super, super safe. And they're Connor? Oh, yeah. James Connor, but I was pissed about it. I didn't want to take honor. 2023, Brees Hall was the number 11 running back per game in non-PPR, but fifth and six per game and half and full PPR, with the Jets being the third lowest scoring team in the NFL. In 2022, Jonathan Taylor played one snap in his last game of the season. If you removed that game, he would have been about RB 11 per game, and the Colts had a terrible

offense, even in his 10 healthy games. In 2022, Derek Henry was on the fifth lowest scoring offense in the NFL, and he was RB4 overall. So I'm giving you three straight years, not last year, but 22, 20, oh no, twice in 2022, once in 2023. Terrible offenses, top 12 running backs. In two cases, top six running backs. It can happen. Can you, before it disappears, can you post John Bernstein's comment so you can address that? What is the, why the discrepancy between your consensus and CBS rankings, Aren't you CBS? So our consensus is the combination of the rankings for Dave, Heath, and myself.

The CBS rankings or projections are by sports line. And that is something that we do not contribute to. So in the draft room, if you are looking to sort by our rankings, you could do so individually. So there's a drop down for Dave for Heath and me. You could also do it by CBS rank, which would be the projections. you do by average app position. So there's different ways to get your... I think there's a consensus.

There is. There's an expert average ranking, too. So you can do that, which I like. Then I don't get that. Jamie doesn't go, oh, you're just using my ranking full of time. Well, I know you are. But in any event, that's the answer.

I hope that solves that for you. I will say this about Camara, just to piggyback on what Heath said, because if this comes to fruition, he's probably going to be in trouble because if you're banking on him as a runner in this offense, it could be awful. Heath has talked about this time and again that the last three stops for Kellynne Moore in Dallas, the Chargers, and the Eagles. He's had running backs that have proven to be good catching the ball, two in particular in Echler and Saquan Barkley, and their receiving numbers came crashing down. He also likes, Heath likes to bring up

what he did with Zeke, previous to post with him without Kellynmore, and Zeke's receptions also came down. So if Camara does not have 70 plus catches and is not a better runner, it could be awful. Yeah, and he was averaging over six targets per game last year. Adam, you said that he has no 30-yard runs in his last four years. He has six receptions of at least 30 yards. Half of them came last year. he also has another three catches of at least of exactly i should say 29 yards over the last

four seasons including one last year so there's still examples of camara getting huge chunk plays but they've come through the air not on the ground i don't want to just made a big cut adam they just cut davido can you guess well i knew they cut de veto someone else yeah um no big time playmaker for them in the preseason uh uh Jalen Hyatt? Nope. Who? Greg Dolsich.

I was about to say. All right. Moving on. Moving on. Jamie, two bad values. Oh, you gave us Camara and LaPorte. Dave, two bad values.

Let's start with Garrett Wilson, who in NFC is somehow still going as a top 30 pick. I don't understand that one. I'm very nervous about Garrett Wilson, given not just Justin Fields' troubles as a passer this preseason, but just overall,

I don't buy what Heath sells as far as him being an improvement as a passer. Heath's talked about all these metrics that have gone up for Justin Fields over the last three years. Here's one that's gone down over the last three years. Touchdown rate. Garrett Wilson needs those if he's going to be a good receiver for fantasy. We've already talked about how his player prop is four and a half touchdowns. That's his over under for the season. It seems crazy low.

Why wouldn't everybody just take the over? makes me think that the odds makers know a little something we don't about what these jets are going to do. And Aaron Glens talked about it all offseason long that they want to be a team that runs the football a lot. They've got three great running backs plus a Russian quarterback. And I think defenses are going to know where to tilt their coverage when it's third and long or when it's the fourth quarter and the defense is up six points with two minutes to play. Garrett Wilson's going to be tightly covered. I think 30th overall is way, way, way too soon for somebody like that. And we've also talked about the slide of DJ

Moore and DJ Moore where do you think we were drafting him at the beginning of the off season so our January and February drafts is round four four or five yeah that's where he still is now but we've got so much more information about how he's not running downfield as much at least during the preseason and in the joint practice that I see their backup running back that might be uh although he said he doesn't really like that we'll see how many how much he does that. Romo Dunesay is making plays further downfield. Colson Loveland definitely has made occasional plays downfield and could continue to do more of that. I don't think Luther Burden is going to be a contributor early on in the season, but he could certainly work his way into a role that could

further cut DJ Moore. I know DJ Moore is going to play a lot. He made his numbers pop in fantasy because of high target volume. And I'm nervous that he's not going to see that same type of target volume and if you pair that with a low a dot he might have a lot of six for 55 type weeks and that's a receiver that i don't want to really draft until round six at the absolute earliest in fact if he's going to get six or 55 a lot i'm not drafting him anywhere near round six but maybe you can score some touchdowns every now and then we know the offensive line continues to be a factor for chicago as well that could hamper everybody there i think dj more going before the end of round four is just way too soon okay so

NFC ADP does tend to be a little more wide receiver heavy, I'd say, but he's probably just going too early anyway. By the way, you know, you mentioned Heath saying that Justin Fields has improved as a pass, or even if you don't agree with that, Heath is the lowest on Garrett Wilson. So I think we're all going to say Garrett Wilson going a little too early. Yeah, you'd have that look on your... He's 25th for Heath, and you guys have him 23rd, Garrett Wilson, PPR. DJ Moore. So would you guys rather have Tetaroa McMillan?

or DJ Moore? T-Mack. McMillan. Terry McLorian or DJ Moore? I moved McLaren ahead of DJ Moore. Yeah, where'd you put him? Because I know that you were kind of sour on him before. I moved him to 30 or 2930.

DJ Moore's like 33. Okay. I like McLaren as the top 24 receiver. Well into the top 24. Okay. Yeah, we were about to get to that. So. Good.

Give me one more. How about Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore? Ridley. It feels a little weird to say that, though. But it's because I expect Ridley to be eight targets per game with further downfield looks as the clear cut number one receiver in Tennessee. I really think that he and Cam Ward look great together. Preseason, joint practice. I'm happy to take Ridley.

All right, let's do some news and notes here. And we will talk about Tyre McLaurin. First, let's talk about Joe Mixen. Joe Mixon is going to miss at least the first four games of the season. There's nothing to say. Okay, we'll skip the Texans backfield then. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I don't know, I won't speak for Jamie.

I don't know when I'd feel comfortable taking Joe Mixon at this point. I'm starting to worry that he may not play this year. He hasn't practiced, as Dave said yesterday since May. Well, it's not only that. He's eligible to return in week five. They have a buying week six. So you may not be able to use him until week seven at the earliest. It would be very surprising if they rushed him back to have a week off the following week

unless he's just been ramped up and ready to go. But, yeah, it's a, it's a tough one. You know, between him and Quinn Sean Judkins at this point, it's very funny. In the flex draft, it was not funny, but in the flex draft, which was the beginning of August. I took Joe Mixing in round. it was either eight or nine, I don't remember. And right afterwards, Judkins went. And it was Jay Feliciano, G-Man J. on Twitter, another fantasy analyst.

And we both said, like, yeah, if it works out, we got steals at this point. And now here we are almost a month later, like, can I have that pick back? I took Bixen 100th overall last week. in a 14-team league, I think. You know where you took Mixen over, Pacheco? No, that was a mock, right? Yes. Oh, whew.

Yeah, so I guess when you get to the point of, I remember the guys I said that we're higher on, Zach Charbonnet, Braylin Allen, Jordan Mason is mixing. Not even close, rather those guys by a mile. All right, how about? I've been like that for a long time, though. How about Cam Scadaboo? Mixing.

Do I have Scataboo? I'm not sure if I'm there yet. How about Nick Chubb versus Zach Charbonnet, Braylon Allen. Oh, the trio. I said this yesterday on CBS Sports Network. You know, bold prediction for me is Charbonnet Mason and Braylon Allen will outscore their respective backfield teammates without an injury. So Nick Chubb, okay, fine, let me see, Nick Chub versus...

I just think that the situation with Chubb is if you're drafting Nick Chubb ahead of Joe Mixon, you're expecting missing to miss the season. because when Nixon comes back, he's going to be the best Texans running back, in theory. Well, probably, but, you know, Nick Chubb does get a at least four-week audition, and let's talk about the matchups here. He was so bad last year, though. He was. But he was coming off a serious injury, and now he's coming off another serious injury. Yeah, I mean, he's 29.

The mileage on his body probably makes him 32, and, you know, 3.3 yards per carry last year was the worst of his career. He had no games over 65 yards rushing, or 66. stars rushing. Like, it was, it was bad. So are you taking Dylan, are you taking Dylan Samson or Nick Chubb? Dylan Samson over Mixon and Chub. Yes. Wow. Okay, the Rams last year were pretty bad against running backs, but they got better down the stretch. They have a young defense. It doesn't seem like a great matchup in week one for the Texans. The Bucks, not a good matchup. Only one running back

in their last nine games rushed for more than 43 yards against the Bucks. That's week two for the Texans. The Jaguars, well, one of their top defensive tag, Eric Armstead's still injured, right? Or is he back? I'm not sure. But that's week three. They were an okay run defense. They were pretty bad down the stretch, though. The Titans, usually really good against the run. The Ravens are week five. They were one of the best run defenses in football. So that's your first five games, then a buy. It's not a great schedule. Unless the Rams are bad again. Seattle, San Francisco and Denver after that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but that's so far off, but you're just talking about Nick Chubb, guaranteed first four games.

I don't even know if it's going to be him. I mean, he's going to start, but Damien Pierce, Damian Pierce had a huge game in Week 18 last year, which I had completely forgotten about because they were resting their starters. Pierce is coming back from an injury. There is Woody Marks, but that's the way. It could be messy. And listen, last year in the three games that Mixson was out,

Ogunbo Wally was their third downback. And so, you know, does he still have a role? Like, it could be awful. Oh, he will be, he will be their third downback. I feel confident. All right, let's take a break. If he makes the team. Don't forget about the offensive lines.

Someone will be their third downback. It won't be Nick Chubb. I'll say that. I'm sure part of the move to put him on the NFI, you know, opposite of what the Bucks are doing, was to make sure that they can get all four running backs through on the roster. All right, guys, I'm going to take a break here because we've got to talk about the Raiders wide receivers.

We've got to talk about McLaurin and more. We'll be right back after this. Well, well, well, Amari Cooper is back. He signed with the Raiders. Jacobi Myers is asking for a trade. He wants a new contract. And we haven't talked about Dante Thornton, Jr. much. He's a rookie, a fourth-round pick for the Raiders.

He's kind of outshined Jack Besh. And Thornton averaged a nation, tops in the nation, 25.4 yards per catch last year. Jamie, give me your take on the Raiders-wide receivers and what it means for Brock Bowers. I don't think it means anything for Brock Bowers. I think he's fine. I would say that if Myers stays on the team, he should still be the best receiver for the Raiders.

This does lower his value a little bit. So he was going basically in round seven based on his CBS ADP. I would drop him at least around, if not more, just because of clearly there's unsettled situation right now. Plus, you have just players emerging. You mentioned it with Thornton and what he's, you know, look like so far in training camp running with the starters. I hope this is more of an indictment of Cooper coming in on Trey Tucker

than it is on Thornton, and they don't put Thornton on the bench. Besh would benefit immensely if Jacoby Myers is traded. He would become my favorite Raiders receiver if Jacobi Myers is traded, because Bess would be their slot receiver. So that would put him in such a great spot. So just keep an eye. Like, if you're doing any drafts now and you have a late round pick just to burn, take Bess, and just see what happens.

But I hope Thornton stays locked in as one of the outside receivers, and Cooper doesn't take his spot. Tucker is going into his third year. you know, so maybe as a veteran, they give him some, you know, leeway to start early in the season. But Thorntons looked great. You mentioned that he's outperformed Besh, but again, I think they're going to play two different roles. And Myers is a wild card at this point, you know, because, you know, you've seen reports about the teams that have been in the market for wide receivers. The 49ers and the Steelers are two that have been mentioned pretty heavily.

And you could see why, you know, their receiving cores are pretty bad or beat up right now. I think Jets also, I saw as a potential trade partner also. I didn't see Minnesota, but, you know, I'm sure they're probably making a call or two. So if he's free, if he's going to be available, I would assume there's going to be some teams that want to bring in a player that for the last two years has done a nice job. Certainly he's done a nice job for fantasy managers over 13 and a half PPR points into his last two seasons per game. So, yeah, this is not a great scenario for him. If you drafted him as a high end number three receiver, I think he's more below in number three receiver. I'd rather have him as a fourth guy at this point.

Okay. if you're going to take a shot on an old wide receiver who recently signed with a team would it be keenan allen or amari cooper keen and i have no interest in amari cooper okay well the raiders do so yeah i mean i'd hang out with them and ironically enough both going back to their former teams yeah so who teams that drafted them say do you think cooper was added just to give them some like just like veteran experience because all they have is myers and And Trey Tucker's got experienced too, but everybody else that they really have on that team is either at wide receiver is either inexperienced or like literally first year player. So I wonder if that played into it a little bit. I love what I made a trade mires. Right. Well, sure. If they're going to trade Myers and it makes all the sense in the world to get somebody like Cooper in there.

I loved what I've seen from Dante Thornton in the preseason. He's got great speed. He's got great length. Route running still a work in progress. But I would suspect he's going to end up playing a lot. If Myers is traded, I think maybe I've got to change my tune on Bowers. Right. Part of the reason why I was a little hesitant on Bowers was because Myers was there

and Myers would command some targets. I don't know who else is really going to be able to command targets, especially in the middle of the field if there's no Jacoby Myers there. By the way, Myers is not the slot guy that he used to be. The last two years with the Raiders, he's been a 30% slot guy. He used to be more like 55%. And new coaching staff. Now they have outside receivers, though.

They didn't have that previously. Yeah, that's a good point. Myers can play anywhere. But Bech is a slot guy, you know? He should be. But that's why he's not seeing the field at this point. Right. He should be a big slot for them.

At least that's how I would view it, but I'm just an idiot in a room in an office building. They might see it differently. But if they put Bech in the slot, I think he'd crush. Because he's such a good route runner. All right. Washington signed Terry McLaurin to a three-year, $96 million extension with $30 million guaranteed. And it's not like that kicks in this year.

So they're going to, you know, they're going to be owing this guy money when he's in his 30s. But for now, who's the best T-Mack in fantasy? I'll take Tedorah. Ah, they're so close for me. I'll take McLaurin. Assuming McMillan doesn't have a bad hamstring injury. And McLaurin, okay, what round are we thinking? for Terry McLaurin now.

Late round four at the earliest. Late round five at the earliest. All right. Chad, I think, Jamie, you mentioned this article from the athletic yesterday

about Travian Henderson. And the Patriots are impressed with his ability to run between the tackles. It was even their GM said so. So the arrow is really pointing up on Travion Henderson who could earn more carries

than we expect early in the year. Minnesota is still trying to trade for out of field. I cannot fathom taking Alvin Camaro over Trayvon-Henderson at this point. I can. Adam Thielen averaged 16.4 PPR fantasy points per game in his last seven games after he returned from an injury. Vikings trying to acquire him right now. He won't average that.

Thomas, what do you want to see the Vikings give up to get him? Because apparently they're handling over a third round pick. Wow. Yeah, they should not give anything more than a fifth round pick. No, they should Would you take Thielen and a fourth for a third?

No, no. You know what I would take? I would take $38 in Fab for Why don't you go draft Deshawn Watson again? All right. Daniel Popper of the Athletic

thinks that Najee Harris is going to start the season on the NFI list but as you guys mentioned yesterday, GM Joe Hortiz said that Harris has a chance to play in week one. Week one is against the Chiefs.

The Chiefs had the best run defense in football for about half to two-thirds of the year, and then they had a really bad run defense down the stretch and into the playoffs until they face Saquan Barclay, of course. Tyree Kill is expected to be ready for week one. Jalen Wright is not. Joanne Jennings remains out with a calf injury.

You guys mentioned yesterday that he could start the season on IR. Josh Downs could practice next week, which doesn't really bode well for Josh Downs being ready for week one. Cincinnati gave Trey Hendrickson. unbelievable edge rusher, a $15 million salary bump. The Raiders acquired Kenny Pickett from Cleveland for a fifth round pick.

A typical backup, Aidan O'Connell is out 608 weeks with a broken wrist. Cortland Sutton thinks that Marvin Mims is Denver's number two wide receiver. Yesterday, you guys called Mims a great sleeper. And just real quick, are there any other roster cuts worth noting? Deontay Johnson got cut. Anything else we need to know? As of now? Yeah.

We're reporting this at 11 a.m. Yeah, there were cuts yesterday. Your guy turbo's gone. Oh, no kidding. Dante Miller? Mm-hmm. I really like him. I was, I think I like him.

I think the reports I saw, they're hoping to get him on the practice squad. Little Jordan Humphrey just got cut. All right. Not little Jordan. All right, so there's nothing yet. Some things that the-J Osborne, maybe it goes back to Minnesota.

Here's a segment called topics covered on yesterday's podcast slash preseason leftovers. I was listening to yesterday's podcast while we were doing the podcast league draft. And Heath said, quote, I think that Javante Williams is going to open the season as the starter. I hope my tone reflects my enthusiasm. You guys laughed. Seconds later, he drafted him in the podcast league. So no matter how unexcited.

Seconds later while you're listening to it. Seconds later while I was listening to it, he drafted him to the podcast league. By comparison, seconds later after we said goodbye, Terry McCorn signed the three-year, $96 million contract extension. When I wanted this long rant about I won't care. Yeah, there you go. Keon Coleman was being used in the slot. Dave, you said that yesterday.

That really stood out to me because we had Jacob come on and talk about how, oh, he wished they would use him in the slot more. He didn't really have a ton of faith in him winning out wide. And last year, out of 89 wide receivers with 50 or more targets, Keon Coleman ranked 88th in slot rate. The only guy who was in the slot less than him was Rashad Bateman. But you don't need to play a lot in the slot to be. be great. Here are some guys who were very low on the slot list, slot rate lists.

Cortland Sutton, D.K. Metcalf, they were 83rd and 84th out of 89 receivers. A.J. Brown, T. Higgins, George Pickens, Terry McLaurin, all under 19%. Nico Collins, 19.1%, Justin Jefferson, 20% slot rate. So you don't have to be in the slot to have a great year. And I don't think he's going to play a ton in the slot. This is still a team that not only likes to use their tight ends in the slot, but Khalil Shakir, once he's healthy, he'll play in the slot a little bit. They seem to be designing plays to take down certain types of zone coverage that they think they're going to see. And they see a lot of zone coverage because, hello, they've got a running quarterback and defenses don't want to give up the big play on the ground or running quarterbacks.

So I think you've got to look for Coleman, who I thought looked leaner and shifterer in practice, not just in the practice I saw, but also like, you know, clips of him that you see on the internet. during Bill's practice. And I think that's going to pay off for him. So winning contested catches, maybe in the red zone, that happens a little. But I think he's going to be able to win on slants, stop routes, fades, things like that where he can use just a little bit of agility, maybe not so much fades, but the other two, where he can use his agility and timing with Josh Allen to up his stats significantly. Okay, I've got some more leftovers.

I'm going to save them for tomorrow. Let's talk about some more really great values. based on current ADP, whether that's CBS ADP for Jamie or Fantasy Pros or NFC ADP in the last 10 days for Dave. So, Jamie, I'm just going to run through the list. I'm going to say where they are and you tell me where you have them and whatnot. Drake May, 128th overall, he's QB18. Drake May. It's really more about the QB18 number than the overall because all the QB ADPs of the guys in the top 12 are just way pushed up too high.

so he should be a top 12 quarterback a lot of people are scared to draft drake may as a top 12 quarterback because it suggests that you have to start him week one he plays las Vegas in week one he plays at miami in week two i think these are going to be two really good matchups for drake may so i wouldn't be opposed to starting them in week one but also even if you do have to feel like you have to reach for him that doesn't mean you can't take another veteran quarterback later For sure, right? Okay. I would rather have, based on the CBS ADP,

Drake May, where Jared Goff is going, and Jared Goff where Drake May is going. All right. I mean, you do understand there's a boldness to this, right? I mean, he's not proven at all. Of course not. But this is the one position, probably the only position,

where you can swing for the fence and still find options that will help you. It may not be top five. I understand that. But again, I've said, this a few times that last year five of the top 10 quarterbacks were picked right

around 100th overall or later and you can find value of this position with a late round pick or a guy off waivers. Okay, next up. He averaged 18.6 fantasy points per game in his last 11. Without Stefan Diggs, without Josh McDaniels, with a terrible offensive line

and now he's got all three of those things fixed. Yeah. He probably left a few of those games early too because May did that three or four times last year. R.J. Harvey next for Jamie. He's going 56th overall, 63rd on fantasy pros,

and in the real-time ADP, the 24-hour ADP, 55th as RB21. He's RB 23 on CBS, RJ Harvey. I'd rather have him than Alvin Camar also. I just think,

you know, looking at what his role is looking like for the Broncos of the 40, I think it's 40, snaps that the starters play in the preseason he played 34 of them

in the first and second down. He did not play on 11 third down, snaps that the starters had so that's going to be an issue but the more he's on the field the better off i think will be and this is a team that will throw to their running backs on first and second down so it's not an issue in terms of where his reception total can get to i think he's going to be awesome that's argent adam do you think that audrick estimate could cut into rj harvey's work no i don't think so he was released okay but that's again i've been saying this about

rj harvey whereas travion henderson has had a meteoric rise in a dp rj harvey really hasn't he's still It's crazy. I don't think it's that crazy. I mean, Harvey hasn't had... Like, Dobbins hasn't played in the preseason or barely played, right? So I think people... I get the perception of Dobbins and Stevenson,

but Stevenson hasn't played very much either. It's true, and maybe people are overreacting to Tray Van Henderson. Maybe. Possible. All right, we got this trio of Charbonnet, Jordan Mason, Braylon Allen. We've talked about them. So how about two more?

Later picks. Who do you like better? Ali Gordon or Dylan Samson? You think they're both undervalued? I have them. I'm essentially back to back at this point, like in the early 40s. I think one is, or maybe late 30s, early 40s. Like, it's a great opportunity.

Look, I hope Devani is ready for week one. Mike McDaniel was, you know, somewhat positive after the preseason game on Saturday that, you know, he didn't suffer a setback and he's going to practice prior to the start of the season. But until we see that, and with Jalen Wright, now the report missed, maybe that he could miss the first six to eight weeks of the season, like there's a chance or a start a season. I should say six, eight weeks. I might, may have seen something different player. But, like, Ali Gordon could be the starter for the dolphins. And then you're looking at Dylan Samson. It could be the starter for the Browns. Like, I don't know when Quintan Jutkins is playing.

You know, I think it was pro football talk, suggests that there's that loophole that he can go back to college, which would be nuts. Got big news here. What's going on? Dajey Spears is going to be on IR. It's going to miss at least the first four games, according to Schefter. I mean, this is huge for Pollard. Adam Schaefter? Mike Schaefter, it's Adam's cousin.

Also Adam Schaefter, though. Do you think that does any... I've got Pollard as a low-end RB2. Do you think that does anything to his ADP in the next week? It would to me. Definitely would. I think that group of running backs is so fascinating of... I'll say Conner's ahead of this group, but it's DeAndre Swift, who has nobody to share touches with right now.

Pollard, who has nobody to share touches with right now. Pacheco, who might have nobody to share touches with right now. Oh, he's sharing touches. Yeah, maybe. It's like that group is amazing how good they could be, and you can get them in round five or later. You know, actually, I'm glad you said that. I actually wanted to do a full segment on that tomorrow of breaking. Because I thought that was one of my most difficult decisions yesterday.

It was taken, you know, once Pacheco went off the board, it's like, do I take James Conner? Do I take David Montgomery? Breece Hall was still on the board. Tony Pollard, I'll tell you this. If I had known last night that Chajer Spears were starting the year on IR, I would have taken Tony Pollard over James Connor. Yeah, I think I might be there too. And same with Swift. I had a draft last night at the same time as our podcast league picking from the seven spot.

And I took C.D. Laman in round one. somehow Puka fell to me in round two. Somehow A.J. Brown fell to me in round three. And then I decided to take Joe Burrow in round four, specifically because I thought I can get two of these guys. I thought I could get Swift, Pacheco, Pollard, or Montgomery. So I thought I'd get to those guys. So I made the choice of this was last night prior to news.

I took Swift over Pollard, and both Pacheco and both Pacheco Pollard and Montgomery went before I got a chance to pick it again. So didn't get the running backs that I won. wanted, but I loved the start, and I'd perfectly fine with Swift, given this build, and now just missed out on that second guy. Okay. So we'll talk, I guess, about where we're moving. I mean, the situation couldn't get much better.

I mean, it's crazy. I played all but one snap, I think, with the starters, right? It was a great, great audition for him. We got more good values, wide receiver good values for Jamie. Okay, so JSN, he's wide receiver. 16, and he's going 41st. We like him in the third round, right? Yep.

Yep. And we like him ahead of Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill, and Devante Adams? Yep. All right, that's J.S.N. It's close between him, Evans, and Adams. Jalen, Waddle, Travis Hunter, and Emeka, Abuka, Jamie.

They're going in the 80s, 82nd, to 85th. They are wide receivers 35, 36, and 37. Waddle, Hunter, Abuka. We'll take all of them near the 5-6 turn. Wow. Wow. Okay. O'Dunzei, wide receiver 40, and Olaabe, wide receiver 42, and O'Goldin, wide receiver 43. So O'Dunzee Olave, Golden, are going around 100th overall. I'd love to get them a hundredth overall. Yes. My gosh. Yeah. I think. Elabe, another guy playing in slot. I think a thing that could help is say, all right, we like Wado, Hunter, and Abuka better than ADP. Who do we like worse than ADP? And the two guys that keep showing up, basically,

based on what I was doing this morning with the All-FFT team, are Devante Smith and Zay Flowers. We are a little lower on these guys who are on low-pass-volume offenses that aren't going to get a ton of targets are being drafted in the fifth round, specifically Flowers. Like, would you take Hunter, Waddle, and Abucca over Flowers?

Yeah, Hunter, Waddle, and Abucco, yes. Would you take them over DeVante Smith? Hunter. No, I would take Smith over Hunter. I would take Waddle over Smith and Abuka over Smith. I've got Abuka and Smith back to back.

Abuka's ahead by one spot and then I've got Abuka and Smith ahead of Hunter and Waddle. I saw somebody not reference you another site. Azerstat Devante Smith. And essentially his numbers were on pace for the same that he was in

2023. I don't know what what they took out or did you can't i don't think you can use a single thing from last year for davante smith he barely played any games with a j brown and dallas goddard on the field they were hurt the entire year and the eagles you know separately and the eagles were so run heavy last year okay actually i do have seven games seven games with a healthy goddart smith and brown so i exaggerated there sorry about that but devante smith was on pace for 83 targets 83 targets in seven games with with Goddert, Smith, and Brown, all healthy. Was that the gist of the Azerstadt or was it a good one?

I just saw that saying he basically was on pace for his same numbers of 2020. So you'll find it. 2020 wasn't even a good year for him. 2022 was a good year. Well, I think that's the point. Look, man, he could be good if they throw the ball more. If they have the same run-pass split, then even A.J. Brown's going to be a bust, I think. Okay, here.

Do we know if A.J. Brown's all right, by the way. I think Smith is hamstring injury lingerie. Well, Smith has a groin injury too like it. Right, right, right. But I think there's like more confidence in him being okay than there is Brown being okay at this point. All right. So here's, here's, it's Jim Coventry from Roto Wire.

Devante Smith, this was his tweet yesterday. There's a post on X. Devante Smith had 68 receptions, 833 yards, eight touchdowns on 89 targets in 2024. Is that accurate? Yep. Missed four games. One was week 18 for rest. But wide receiver 33 finished doesn't tell the full story.

17-game pace, 88 catches, 1,089 yards, 10 touchdowns, nearly identical to his 23 output. Well, except more touchdowns. He was wide receiver 20 in 20-23 per game with seven touchdowns. That is true, but I'm sorry, like, you just can't do that because he played two games without A.J. Brown, and he had 20 targets in those two games, and he had seven catches for 75 or more yards in both games, and he scored once. he played without Dallas Goddard for a big chunk of the season.

So we all know that happen every year. Every single year. That's the other thing. You could say, forget it. I know Dallas Goddard is going to miss some time. AJ Brown's already dealing with an injury. And when one of those guys is out, Devante Smith is awesome. I think when you get to that blob of wide receivers,

and it's a very bountiful one that could be great or could be, I don't think completely terrible, but there's some pitfalls. But that group of wide receivers, you mentioned just a bunch of them. So it's Devante Smith, it's Jalen Waddle, it's Travis Hunter. I would put DJ Moore in this group. I would actually put Terry McClure in this group, which I know I'm going to be on an island with that one. But Ibuka, Pierceall, if you want to put Kian Coleman and Odunze there, I think they're maybe at the tail end, Matthew Golden, maybe at the tail end of it.

But it's those guys that are going to go in that round five, six range. And how much do you like them versus how much are you, Jerry Judy? you know those those caliber guys so smith may be like a settle for guy by comparison to let's say an abuka or piercell who seems to be a type of guy that on his own could be a league winner so it's just probably a matter of like what you think is best for your team you know floor versus you know a guy like devante smith who's proven and has a lot of spike weeks when there's injuries there or a guy like a buca who may be a spike player the entire season depending on how long godwin and Jalen McMillan missed time.

All right. Let's get back to the list here. And to, you know, what you were going to talk about, those running back. I think it's the same thing with those receivers. Those running backs that, you know, you want to put Aaron Jones in that group, too, you know, those kind of guys that we discussed, Pacheco, that group, this group of receivers, too. I think those two particular groups of positions could define fantasy this year. I agree. I think maybe tomorrow we get into rounds five and six and how to win rounds five and six.

avoiding the bus and picking the guys that were really gravitating toward in that range. It's fascinating stuff. Not all of them are going to be good. Taking after 50th overall.

All right. So Jamie likes Christian Kirk, Marvin Mims, Romeo Dobbs, DeMario Douglas, late, Cedric Tillman, super late.

Trey McBride, we like it, the two, three turn. He's going 35th. Colston Loveland's going 127th. Quick thought. Where do you take,

Loveland? I would take him around to pick 100. just after like Tyler Warren comes off. And Dave, your favorite values based on NFC average draft position from the last 10 days, Nico Collins is going 12th. Too late. Should be top eight minimum.

Kyrin Williams is in the third round at 27th overall. Especially with the Texans running back woes. Like, what world are we living in where the Texans are going to run more than throw in any of those games that we talked about? Maybe against Tennessee. but those other games early on in the year without a plausible run game man they're going to throw a lot

Nico could like begin the year with 50 targets in his first show I moved on to Kyron and you were still on Nico okay Kiron I don't know if there's anything to say about Kyron well he look he's he is part of a five

man group of Chase Brown Bucking Irving Jonathan Taylor Josh Jacobs Kyron Williams and he's often at the back of that. Not on CBS. He's six picks behind that group. No, CBS, Jamie actually has him as one of the worst values on CBS at 18th overall as RB9.

So he should... I wonder... It's not so much 18th overall. It's RB9. That's the guys that he's ahead of. Yeah, that's way too soon. I wonder if that's also a byproduct of the projections. Or Heath.

Heath has him in that range. Yeah, sure. And listen, if he does better than he did last year, we're talking about 18 plus PPR points per game. game. He doesn't catch the ball a ton. That would mean he still scores a boatload of touchdowns for the Rams. That's a great offense. Hopefully their quarterback stays healthy so that Kyron Williams can play off that and the safety stay back. I think he's a little risky if you're taking him that high. I've got him at 12 among running backs. And it's a close call for me between him and Omari and Hampton. And again, he's on the field all the time. He could easily catch more passes. In 2023, he was on pace for 45 catches. Yeah, when he came out of Notre Dame, he was known as a good pass catcher.

All right, sorry, Dave. T. Higgins is 29th. You like that pick? I think that that's great value. James Cook 36th, but he's RB 14. Yeah, it's perfect. Great value on him, too.

I think he's a top 30 pick. Jaden Daniels is the fourth quarterback off the board, whereas Burrow is the third. I've seen a lot of draft boards from this past weekend, where Burrow, not just a top three quarterback off the board, but the first quarterback off the board, where fantasy managers are lining up to take him ahead of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson as well as Jane Daniels. And I feel like that that's a little too risky.

Well, I mean, USKB2 last year. He was, but I think that the other dual threat quarterbacks, just naturally by their rushing ability, offer more upside than Burrow. Cortland Sutton and Alvin Camara are on your list. We've talked a lot about them. Chuba Hubbard is on your list at 52nd overall. Chuba Hubbard is RB19. I think he's better than that.

I think you pencil him in for 15 and a half to 16 and a half ppr points per game. I think he's the lead back on an emerging Carolina offense. I like guys like that. James Connor and RJ Harvey are going late in round five in a 12 team league. who do you prefer i prefer connor i think that he still has plenty to offer his consistency is great i don't believe any of this stuff about tray benson being the one b to james connor's one a and it's not like r j harvey's going to be a solo act in denver we know that jk daubbins is going to have a role as well and i think i'd rather have i know connor's older and all that stuff man

he was great last year it was and i think he i think he's the one that i would rather bet on than Harvey. We can say that Denver's offense is better, but I don't know if it'll be better by leaps and bounds compared to Arizona. I think they're kind of similar, actually, those two offenses. Okay.

I'll take Harvey. I knew you would. Yeah, I mean, look, Connor is 30, but if he weren't 30, he would have a really, really exciting profile because he's good every year. Of course.

Yeah, I know, well, but it's not. Eric Jeffrey would be first overall. No, no, he wouldn't. but he had great metrics last year but the other thing that concerns me with Connor is that he doesn't 2024 he had six carries of 20 or more yards

he had two carries longer than 23 yards that scares me you know he's not a breakaway guy but that just kind of maybe is showing his age a little bit and he's a year older now right he's more of a volume grinder type of running back which is not how we would describe Camara

who has the exact same problem that you laid out and have been laying out with him, just not being as explosive of a runner. But Connor is also a cinch to get a bunch of short yardage touchdowns. He can catch the ball a little bit too. I'm totally fine with Connor.

I've got him 17th among running backs. I've got him ahead of Henderson and Harvey. I know Jamie won't go there, and I don't blame anybody for taking Henderson over him in full BPR. But I think James Connor still has plenty left to give. And some wide receiver values you like based on NFC ADP over the last 10 days. is Matthew Golden going 79th overall, wide receiver 41?

Keon Coleman going about 100th overall, wide receiver 49, and then there's a tight end in there, David Nujoku, 106th overall. I think we've talked plenty about Coleman and Nogoku. Golden clearly seems to be the number one receiver in Green Bay. I think they'll try and throw more than they did last year. I don't know if it'll be by a lot. I think it'll be by, I don't know, maybe like 15%. That could be a lot, actually.

Maybe 10%. But Golden should be the top target getter in that offense. He appears to be much more of the guy that we saw toward the end of his college tenure than before, which is a great thing. I'm good with Golden early round seven. All right. We have to run. I am going on FFT Dynasty. Yay.

To talk about the Superflex startup dynasty draft. So that'll be a lot of fun. You have a Superflex draft at noon, too. We have a Superflex draft at noon. We have a busy week, but super fun week. I believe you quit that one last year. Oh, good. Dave is a quitter.

I got to tell you. Big time. All right. Thanks so much, everybody. Hope this was a helpful show for you. You know who we like better than ADP. And we'll talk to you tomorrow with some of the worst values and some other topics. Still kind of coming up with that show.

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