Fantasy Football Today - Best Early Values! Dave and Jamey's Favorites (07/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Bid on Draft-A-Thon items here! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tiltify.com/@cbs-sports/fft-draftathon-2025⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Vote for Fantasy Football Today in the "Sports" category: https://podcastawards.com/app/signup Dave and Jamey tell you the average draft position values they love right now. Dave uses CBS ADP while Jamey uses FantasyPros ADP, and we'll compare the different draft averages as we go. We start with four of their favorites (3:30): Stefon Diggs, Bucky Irving, Darnell Mooney, Justin Fields ... News and notes (19:35) which leads to a Chase Brown vs. Irving discussion. Then we jump back into Jamey's favorite early values (24:15). Jamey loves Dak Prescott's value, plus Travis Hunter, Jordan Mason and more. We also talk about whether or not you should avoid drafting the Browns ... Dave's favorite values (37:50) include Alvin Kamara which generates a lot of debate. Dave also likes J.K. Dobbins, Drake Maye and many more ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the show Tuesday, July 22nd, coming off a big, big night where we are now over $40,000 in money raised for St. Jude. Tell you about that later. Yes. Thank you everybody who participated, signed up last night for the FFT Open, plenty of spots still available. All right, Adam Hazer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, we are talking about our favorite values in drafts right now

based on different ADPs. I say, you know what, use whatever ADP you want because they're different and we can learn something from all of it. Jamie used fantasy pros ADP, Dave used CBS ADP, which he says is changing every day, which is good. Good to see we want that. We want those movers risers and fallers. So we'll get some of their favorite values. We kind of run through them and we'll read your emails at fantasy

football at cbsi.com. And good morning guys. How we doing? Great. Chilling. I was going to say, I was gonna say chilling. That's so weird. Wow. Yesterday we wore the same shirt. Today we almost had the same greeting. Yes. You missed Dave. Adam and I were matching for about a week almost every day. Yeah.

Not the same shirt, but like same color. Yeah. All right. Let's get, let's get... I was gonna say, I did Chris Harris' podcast last night. And thank you to his audience. I just wanted to give him a shout out because he was one of the first people

to sell out his league for the FFT Open. And it's the first time he's doing this part of the Javathon to help us out. He's usually been a big contributor. So thank you to his audience and thank you to our audience as well for all the donations. Yeah, get into it a little bit more later

because there's some other stuff that you can bid on and we have a live stream tonight at I'm sorry, 7pm, right? 7pm Eastern. Yes, it's covering the first donation mock draft. I don't know how to phrase it. The first mock draft of the people who donated for St. Jude. So should be fun. I'll be drafting with 11 other people. Dave and I will be giving some analysis on it and it should be a good time. All right. Draftathon mock draft. There you go.

Mock draftathon. There it is. All right. Let's get to some of your favorite values. Just give me two. Dave, why don't you start? Bucky Irving, 42.4 on CBS. What the hell are you guys thinking

letting a running back like this fall into round four? I think he's around to pick I think he can be sensational in Tampa Bay's offense fully expect him to break away as the lead running back He's got room to improve. There were only three games last year including the playoffs where he played at least 60% of the snaps he was below that mark and all of his other games, and he was an on, he was an absolute terror against defenses. So I love that one. The other one that I love a lot, and I don't think this one's going to stick at all. I want to talk about where we think his ADP will be. And he's in the news. It's Stephon Diggs, now with the Patriots. His ADP on CBS, currently 111th overall. No way is he going to stay that low, but he's going to be the No. 1 receiver for an ascending quarterback in Drake May. He is not on the PUP list. I think it's weird that I am so into a 30-plus-year-old

wide receiver coming off of a torn ACL, but it sounds like he's back to his old self. I think the target volume will be there. I like Drake May to improve. I'm actually going to go to a joint practice that they're participating in. And I can't wait to study this offense. I think it's going to be really, really exciting. Should be better than it was last year with Josh McDaniel calling the shots. And I think Stephon Diggs has a chance to have a major bounce back here. Probably about 50 drafts. I've never seen Bucky Irving outside of the second round. Early third, early third. I'll get to that in a minute.

I just want to say, Dave, I love everything you said there. Yeah, I was going to bring that up on both Fantasy Pros and Football Guys ADP, which takes in different websites, aggregates ADP. Bucky Irving is more like 20th overall, or 22nd. So what's wrong with our drafters? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know if he's low in the projections or something like that, but he's not going to make it to round four. Are you comfortable with Bucky Irving? Top 20. Yeah, 22 on fantasy pros, 20th on football guys. That's more realistic. Yeah, it makes me a touch nervous there,

but you're cool with it. Okay. To me, look, I think just about anyone make me a little bit nervous. It's a high stakes pick, right? So I get it. But Stefan Diggs, I love everything you said about Stefan Diggs

and he's going closer to 90th, 88th, 90th on the other websites and he's 110th on CBS. But- Round six, seven turn? You did say, no. Is it? Yes. Seven, eight turn. Oh, six, seven turn. You did say no. Is it? Yes. Seven eight turn. Oh, six, seven turn. I think if you can get them at the seven eight

turn, that's awesome. I'll go around higher than that, provided that there's no setback whatsoever between now and week one. That is the six seven turn, isn't it? No, it's no way. No, no, no, the end of round six is 72 overall. The end of round seven is 84 overall. It's the 78 turn. Okay. But he's more like mid round eight. For that's a great value. I will take them all day long at that value. You said the only thing I think you said that maybe you might want back is that he looks like he's back to his old self or something like that.

It's what the reports say. He's moving around really well. There's no way he's going to be the old stuff. He's 32 coming off a torn AC. I don't think you should. I know it sounds ridiculous. There's huge risk here. He can't like at his best, he's not going to be a 1,512. He's not going to be top five wide receiver. What are your expectations? To 75 catches, he could top a thousand yards. Won't be 11 hundred. Yeah. You have a few things at player. You have the knee injury that we know this typically takes a year plus to get back to your old self. So it's great that he's ahead of schedule, but he's going to, as you said, it's going to be 32 in November and he's probably going to see

more time on the outside than he was in the last couple of seasons And will that be a benefit to him playing with Drake May so I? Think this is an appropriate spot for a guy. I think his projection sports line if you're looking at YouTube 43rd receiver I'd probably put him like Maybe as high as 37 38 like I don't I don't want to draft him as a starter in three server league I'd rather just take a chance on some of the younger players there. It's a great opportunity for him.

And he should be the target leader. But there's still so many pitfalls that could happen for this guy. All right. So let's say round eight, we're comfortable with Stefan Diggs, right? I'd throw a party if I got him in round eight. At the earliest round eight.

But you're still talking about Ricky Pearsall and Jawan Jennings are coming around that time, Cooper Cup. Are you throwing a party over those guys like to take digs over those guys? I've got digs ahead of those guys as of now. I didn't realize you were so I didn't realize you were digging him so much. I rather have the 49ers guys the cup the cup ones an interesting comparison just because again another older receiver coming off of an injury. We just don't know what role he's going to play for Seattle.

I would hope digs gets more opportunities, more targets, more, more everything. But you know, wouldn't be surprised if cup is on par, if not better. And two weeks from now, I might be coming back here eating all kinds of crow. I really, I guess I just really need to see it for myself and I will. And I've just based on the reports and what I see out of New England, the fact that he's not even on the pop list and not limiting him at all. And he was working in drills during mini camp. I don't know. I don't know what got into Stefan Diggs to help him come back from an October ACL tear, but it's working. Yeah, I think, I wish I could find the story again,

but I read an article about Cortland Sutton in 2021. And I'm gonna keep talking about this, right? It was an article glowing about how good he looked coming off the torn ACL. He tore his ACL in week one of 2020. I got him as having played one game in 2020. Yeah, it was like early gets Pittsburgh from that mistaken. Okay, so week one or two of 2020, thought it was week one.

I'd like to make a bet about this. Can we make a bet? What's the bet? Sure. I'll let you off of the picture you have to hang. No, I want to do that, but I already won the Rafael Devers, Jazz Chisholm bet. So I'm up a bet.

Have you? I don't think so. I haven't looked, but I think Jazz been really good. I just said that with a lot of confidence, but I was faking the confidence. Anyway, it was, oh, Sutton's back. He looks so good, Bob, this and that. And he had 58 catches for 776 yards

and two touchdowns in 17 games that year. So again, you're always gonna hear how good these guys look, but you don't hear until the following year, well, he wasn't really right that year. You know what I'm saying? It's always gonna be these glowing reports. What was Godwin's numbers coming off the ACL? Not good at all.

But that was also, no, that was not the year that he was playing in the slot. So the ACL, I think, was 2020 and 2020 to 2021. He averaged. No, when the you got to tell me when he towards ACL. Because I always forget Chris Godwin, 21 toward an ACL in 2021, December 2021. The following year, Chris Godwin averaged only 68.2 yards per game is not bad, but that was down 10 yards per game. He was down 1.5 yards per target.

In fact, career low in yards per target and yards per catch by quite a bit for Chris Godwin. And the two guys that you're referencing, at least, you know, small sample size, much younger than Stephane Dix. Yeah. It's true. All right, I'm sorry. So anyway, Jamie, your two favorite values.

I'll go with Darnell Mooney, who's somebody I probably can have a lot of exposure to. Just excited about the situation in Atlanta where they're gonna get funnel targets to those two receivers. And then the other one would be Justin Fields, based on the fantasy pros ADP's QB 14, is just too much upside there to not be looking at him

as a potential starter. For me, he's a top 10 quarterback. So if I can get him outside the top 12, I'll be thrilled about that. You're using fantasy pros, Darnel Mooney is wide receiver 49 at 111th overall. Just real quick. I would take Mooney over Diggs person.

I was about to ask that. That is a spicy take. That I think is that. Sure. That's going to be definitely you're in the minority there. I would have to say taking. Well, obviously, I mean, based on average app position, we haven't even done anything yet.

Most traps haven't happened. Yeah. Why? Why Mooney over Diggs? I just like to say I'm a PENX believer You know, I think there's gonna be good for this offense so I you know expecting a little bit of a boost for what Mooney did a season ago and You have you know, it's it's a rare situation where you have the the lottery ticket wide receiver If there's no Drake London for any stretch of games

We saw what it was for one game with London without Mooney on the field last year when he had the the huge week 18 performance It's just I like the situation. There's a lot of opportunity for him here. I think he's going to get about a 20 to 30 target boost because of this offense. I think their defense is going to be absolutely terrible. The young guys, the young pass rush are going to take some time. Secondary is going to be a mess. They're going to see a lot of shootouts for Atlanta.

So just excited about the entire Falcons offense minus Kyle Pitts because he's the pits. Um, but in terms of London and Mooney and obviously Bijan, uh, I think it's going to be a fun season for the Falcons. What happened? I like where your head's at. And the, the thing that's cool about. Pennix with Mooney compared to cousins is the stronger arm, the, the more, the willingness to throw it deeper. We know that Mooney is a

deep ball guy. I kind of feel like he's the man-beater of that offense. And I don't know how often they're going to play a lot of teams that are going to go heavy man-to-man coverage against them. I'm just thinking about the defenses in that division. I don't know how many of them are actually going to do that type of thing, especially with Bijon Robinson running behind that offensive line. And I agree with you on the defense. I think their defense, both their rookie pass rushers are going to have to play really well this year for that defense to step up and be a problem. I get where you're coming from. Mooney had 12.1 PPR points per game last year. Can he be better than that as the number two guy in Atlanta? That's where I struggle.

And I think Diggs can be better than 12.1. So let's make a bet. The winner gets their picture on Adam's background. Oh man. By the way, these bets are just silly, right? Like no one actually cares because I lost the Sutton bet. He missed week one with a shoulder injury and then he played week two and tore his ACL. So Pittsburgh, right? Yeah, it was Pittsburgh trying to apparently

trying to tackle Joe Hayden. All right. So you heard Justin Fields. Pictures now you have to put up. Could be the same person. We highlight Justin Fields as always being a top 12 quarterback when he's healthy and he's going as QB 14 on Fantasy Pros and Darnell Mooney for Jamie. Also Stefan Diggs and Bucky Irving for Dave. Okay, let's we'll get into the news and notes. Talk to you real quick about Draftathon. FFT open. If you did not get into one of our leagues, I know they sold out pretty quickly. Me, Dave, Jamie, Heath, Dan. I think Jacob has sold

out. I believe Schaefer you sold out. Sell out. Yeah, I think Schaefer sold out. Scott Fish sold out his league. Chris Harris sold out his league. There are plenty of spots left and plenty of more money to be raised. You know, I understand it's cool to play with us and if you miss out. So correct me if I'm wrong, we're still giving, we're still auctioning off podcast league spots. Yeah, not yet, but at some point, yes, podcast league spots will be available.

And Keith is going to do his dynasty. Keith is starting a new dynasty league. So that will be available at some point in August, I believe. I don't hold me to that. But yes, we have a lot more opportunities to play fantasy with us. But if you just want to get in the FFT open and donate $250 to St. Jude, there are plenty of spots available. I'm not going to spend too much time on that.

I do want you to just I don't know if everybody's aware of this, especially people that didn't play in it last year. You can still compete against us even if you're not in our league because the winner of every league plays each other. Exactly. And we're all going to win our league. Dave, Jamie, Heath, we're all going to win our leagues. So we'll see you in the in the playoffs.

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Hmm, okay. Can we just say it's great? Thank you for saying that, L.A. With lots and lots of laughs. So everybody knows? I only told Mandy. Well, I only told mom and dad. That's everybody.

So, quick summary. Laugh at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning new CBS fall. Yes, yes. Also yes. Man, spelling on the spot is not easy. Is it D-A-V-E? Nailed it.

All right. Give me a word. Give me a word. Mercurial. M-E-R-C-U-R-I word. Give me a word. Mercurial. M-E-R-C-U-R-I-A-L. Bam! Mercurial.

Terrific. Okay. Stefan Diggs. You're looking at the Indiana Elementary School spelling bee champion of 1987. How about couch? K? Are you going to the ball? How about couch? K. R, you going to the ball. I was hoping you were gonna go for that. That was couch, R?

I think so. I think it was, yeah. Are you excited about Happy Gilmore 2? Yeah. I am too, but I'm scared it's gonna be so repulsive. I'm more excited for Making Gun. You know, it's one of so repulsive. I'm more excited for Naked Gun. It's one of those movies like you kinda wanna just see. Yeah, but I watched Happy Gilmore 200 times.

I wanna watch Happy Gilmore 200 times too, but if it sucks, I won't make it to two times. Yeah, or T-time. Coming to America too. I should've watched that. So it should've been so much better. We're looking forward to the naked gun. All right. Sevon Diggs, clear to practice. Green Bay signed right tackle Zach Tom to a four year, $88 million extension. So good news for the Bucks. Tristan Werfs could

be back sooner than expected. He might not miss the first four games we anticipated. So that's great news. They're a star left tackle. Chargers signed Naeem Hines, who's recovering from a torn ACL in 2023. He's missed the last two years. I don't think this is particularly fantasy relevant. And Cincinnati defensive end Trey Hendrickson is not going to report to camp today as he seeks a new contract.

But we did get from their offensive coordinator, Dan Pitcher, that Chase Brown will be a focal point of the offense, which is great to see. Do you guys like Chase Brown or Bucky Irving better? Bucky slightly. They're back to back. Yep. Are they also back to back for you, Dave? They are. The tiebreaker for me was schedule. And then what I said earlier about Bucky potentially doing more with more playing time, Chase Brown already has been playing 80% of the snaps that was last year.

A little bit worried about him coming down to like 70% because the Bengals will use some of their other veteran running backs in lesser situations, not high value situations. I'm not scared off of Chase Brown because of Zach Moss or Samaj P. Ryan, but those guys are going to play a little. But that schedule, man, they're going to play against Baltimore twice, Pittsburgh twice, Cleveland twice. They have other tough defenses. I really, when I, when I do my schedule analysis, Adam, that's what I use for tiebreakers. And this is one of those tiebreakers.

Give me Bucky in the NFC South with more room to grow his numbers versus Chase Brown. Okay. I never got to talk to you about this with Bucky Irving. It came up on a recent show, but I mentioned some of the other day three or undrafted picks who had really good rookie years in terms of yards per carry because Bucky Irving was sensational at 5.4 yards per carry. And in a lot of cases, in several cases, they were drafted pretty high the next year.

So I'll tell you, Kerryon Johnson was one of them. Kerryon Johnson, he averaged 5.4 yards per carry as a rookie, just like Bucky Irving. And his ADP in year two was 29th overall. And then he averaged 3.6 yards per carry in eight games. Thomas Rawls, he averaged even more yards per carry than Bucky Irving. He was, gosh, 5.6 yards per carry.

Second season, 3.2 yards per carry. His ADP was 43rd. Ontario Smith went from 5.4 yards per carry to 4.4 yards per carry. I don't have his ADP. He's the one that's famous for the Wizinator, right? Yes. He missed his third season for a violation of the substance abuse policy and did not play again. I don't know if it was the, I don't remember that specifically. Do you know what the whizinator is Adam? No.

I want you to Google. You definitely will remember when you Google image, the whizinator. Okay. It's a serious screen too. It's ridiculous. Oh man. Okay. So just wanted a serious green too, it's ridiculous. Oh man. Okay. So just wanted to bring that up.

Also Bucky Irving, one of the lowest percentages of third down route, route percentage in the NFL among running backs. And I would imagine it's going to stay that way through at least the first third of the season and maybe all season because that's where they can trust Rashad white to play well as on passing down, sees the better pass protector. But they, what they, what they get in protecting Baker on 3rd downs, they lose of having a playmaker on the field of Bucky's caliber. The other thing I'll mention is, outside of a couple of rare talents at Running Back, we've seen NFL teams take a little bit longer to dig into that position on draft day. So

maybe in years past, Bucky would have been a Day 2 pick. But because teams don't prioritize running back, a lot of good talent at that position, this is really more over the last few years, they start to fall into Day 3, because they're not as prioritized for teams. Last year was interesting. What didn't work out quite that way. Last draft, I should say back in April, didn't quite work out that way. I'm just cracking up about the whiz-a-nator. I haven't been listening for the last 30 seconds. Scott Fish is in the chat today. He says, Adam, do not Google that. Too late. Scott Fish, thank you for being part of the FFT Open. All right. Those are your news and notes. Let's go back to our favorite. I don't know if he was referring to that or what Johnny Airport sent to Google. Oh, yeah, no, Johnny Airport. I will not be Googling that. Pretty sure I know what that is.

Favorite values. Jamie, you said Fields and Mooney. So we're going to go through, just give me like, give me a little overview. Give me a 30, 40 second, you know, bam, Travis Hunter, 72nd overall on fantasy pros while I receive her 34. I think the, uh, the more reports, positive reports we get about him playing offense, no matter how he's looking, is going to drive his ADP up significantly. So he's a top 24 receiver for me right now at number 24, uh, to get him at this point in the draft would be very exciting for me. Where are you comfortable taking Travis Hunter?

Round five. Okay, would you rather have Travis Hunter or Jamison Williams? Travis Hunter. Dave? Jamo, but it's close and I agree with the round five suggestion in full PPR. Next up for Jamie, it's Dak Prescott, 91st overall QB 12 on Fantasy Pros. Yeah, similar to Justin Fields. He's a top 10 quarterback for me. I have him at nine just ahead of Fields. Jamie, it's Dak Prescott, 91st overall QB 12 on fantasy pros. Yeah, similar to Justin Fields. He's a top 10 quarterback for me. I haven't met nine just ahead of fields. We know what

Dak has been prior to last year. He was basically 23 plus fantasy points per game for his past five seasons. So I think just return to health the addition of George Pickens defense that may put him in some shootouts and a run game that could be absolutely atrocious. So I like the setup for Dak a lot. He's going to be obviously limited in terms of his running. At least that's what I would expect. You know, again, coming off the hamstring injury.

But when he's healthy, he's been one of the more underrated fantasy quarterbacks. I think he will once again. Yeah. Any average 37 pass attempts per game in his seven healthy games and they throw it. They just always throw a lot. So, all right, Dak Prescott, would you have, rather Dak Prescott or Bo Nix? At this price, I'd much rather have Dak Prescott,

but I do have Nix ranked one spot ahead of Dak. I'm in the exact same boat. Do we know the ADP for Bo Nix? Absolutely, we'll use fantasy pros for this. He's going 80 first overall as QB eight. So it's, you know, the round and a half, two rounds. Any might. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's only 10 picks earlier. I got confused with Justin Fields. So let's say it's around later. Now, now it's a decision. Would you rather have bone X in round seven

or Dak Prescott in round eight? Dack around it. Yeah. The value is better. I yeah, the values better. I'd rather have that. Because what I would do is in this scenario, if you're following the ADP in terms of your draft board, and I know I can still get fields if I miss on those two guys, or I can still get Kyler if I miss on those three guys, and then you just continue the sliding scale.

There's just a lot of good quarterback. So if I'm not comfortable taking Bo Nix in round seven, because the other players that are available, which will be be the case then I would just wait All right, Jordan Mason who if you if you want to keep playing the rock team name game you compare him with Jack Besh you got a lot of you got a lot of the rock there, but Jordan Mason 108 overall RB 38 Yeah, I mean I'm I'm very concerned about Aaron Jones this year. You know, H 30 season played through some significant injuries last year which was great. But the I just keep going back to what Kevin O'Connell said before

they acquired Jordan Mason and before they even resigned Jones right before free agency when he was on a radio interview saying they felt that Jones is better off in a tandem and not getting as much work as they last year with career high in terms of carries and touches. So I just think we could see a situation where Jones is taking a step back and if he misses any time Jordan Mason could be an absolute star. He was great last year as the starter for the 49ers to open the season. I think he'll be used more in the passing game in Minnesota if he does get that role

in terms of being the starter I think but even in the shared situation we're going to see maybe him as the goal line guy. So he's just a good, one of those good potential flex plays in a secondary role, but a league winner if he ever gets a chance to start. And I think, I don't know how you feel about this, but if somebody's going, well, he was great in San Francisco, but every running back is great in San Francisco. I think the success of Raheem Mostert haven't been a lot, right? I know he went to the same system in Miami, but do you think the Minnesota system is set

up for that same kind of success for a running back? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you saw Aaron Jones, you know, thrive going from Matt LaFleur to Kevin O'Connell, you know, similar tree. I think you'll see the same thing for Jordan Mason, you know, and look, trying to think like has there been a good sample size of some of these backups going other places from San Francisco?

No, I mean, I can think of Jeff Wilson and most are and that's it. I think Wilson was solid too, you know. Right, but they went to the same place. Like I'm thinking of like even Shanahan guys. Mike Shanahan guys like back in the day. You want to go Oh, Mike Shanahan guys. That I wouldn't be able to tell you. They were all broken down by the time they were on their second team.

Well, I mean, I'm just thinking of the, you know, the, we need, we need a plug and play guy. He does well. And then he goes someplace else. I don't just don't, I don't think there's a lot of those. All right. Uh, so after Jordan Mason on Jamie's list, Oh, by the way, Jordan, Mason's going back to back with Javante Williams in fantasy pros, ADP. Who do you prefer? I would take a chance on Javante first, but they're close to my rankings. Yep. Javante right now is, again, I still think he's in contention for steal of the draft right now. We have no idea what it's gonna look like. But you might be getting the cowboy starting running back after pick 100. I do think if we get some sort of he's the guy, you'll see,

he'll be one of the biggest risers. Yep. He will. And how do you think he could go? Right. he's the guy you'll see he'll be one of the biggest risers. Yeah. He will. And how do you think he could go? Right. I would think he would go in that Tony Pollard, Pacheco, Aaron Jones, this range, you know, of the mid to late twenties.

That's round six. And I recall, I recall what happened the year that most dirt had all those touchdowns. Did someone get hurt in the preseason? Did they release someone that was Jeff Wilson that got hurt in the preseason? No, Wilson was added at the end of he was didn't they trade for them? They traded for Wilson, the end of the previous 2022. No, no, no't they trade for him? They traded for Wilson. The end of the previous 2022. No, no, no.

They traded for him. That was when HN got hurt. They traded for Wilson. Well, I just remember most of most of its big season was 2023. So no, I think Wilson, Wilson was on the team in 2022. He got traded into the dolphins in 2022. I feel like he got hurt at the beginning of 2020.

Was it Chase Edmonds? So hold on a second. They added it. This is exactly what happened. This is what happened. That was 2021. Guys, I got this. 2022, Jeff Wilson got traded to the Dolphins.

Most was there at that point. In 2023, there was a pre-season injury to Jeff Wilson. And I remember take, I think it happened the day we were doing a draft. And I remember taking most certain feeling like maybe I took him a little bit too early. And obviously he ended up being my best pick and he scored 18 touchdowns that year.

But I feel like that could happen to Givante where he would rise, but he will, he could still outperform his ADP big time if he gets that opportunity. Or even this pot could be too soon if it's Jaden Blue or Miles Sanders. There's a lot of ways this can go. Yeah, I wouldn't regret any pick after pick 100, I guess.

Like even if he's the bus. Okay, and then we have David Njoku is one of your favorite values, 109th overall, tight end nine. So there's two news items. I don't know if you mentioned, there's a report in Cleveland that Dylan Gabriel could be in the mix and Kenny Pickett could be the starter to open camp.

Those two, the top two in depth chart, I don't buy it, but that would be bad I think for all the past catchers in Cleveland. So I'm hoping it's Joe Flacco and that it was just those guys look good in OTAs and minicamp, including Shadr Sanders and that Flacco just didn't need all the reps. But clearly for a guy that's over 40, you got to be a little bit concerned that he's guaranteed the job. So we'll see how this all plays itself out. But the more secure quarterback situation in Cleveland, the better off it'll be for all

the pass catchers and the joke included. So basically though, he's been good with everybody but Deshaun Watson in the last three seasons. He's been good because he's, he's catching a bunch of short passes and check downs and he's getting good volume with it. So even if it's picket, even if it's Gabriel, if they're serviceable throwers and they look for a new Joku and the plays are designed for a new Joku, I still think the Joku could be north of 11 PPR points per game. And if you're getting that with the 90 whatever pick overall, that's good for a tight end. It's amazing. But you could start them each week.

What if I said I will not draft any Browns because I think they're going to be one of the worst teams in the world? I mean, it's probably not a bad strategy. I find myself taking too many Browns because the value just seems to be great for almost all of them. Yeah. You know, especially at this point, like you're still getting huge discounts on Dylan Sampson and Jerome Ford and with the Judkin situation being so uncertain, like one of those two guys, if not both, could be flex-worthy plays, if not maybe a number two running back. Nijoku, I mean if you just look at the production, like he should be going as a top five or six tight end,

but everybody's scared off of the Browns. Judy is very polarizing still, you know. You're getting him in a lot of cases as a mid number three receiver as opposed to, you know, production-wise is probably a number two, solid number two receiver if you're building off what he did last year. And then Tillman's free. I listed him as well, you know, production wise is probably a number two solid number two receiver if you're building off what he did last year and then Tillman's free. I listed him as well. You know, he's Yeah, he's the last guy on your list. Cedric. Yeah, Cedric

again, just another guy. Tillman, a lot of a lot of exposure to just because again, he's, you know, almost almost exactly what you just said, you know, anybody after pick 100, maybe I have to pick 150. You know, he gets off the slow start easy to cut him. He just said, you know, anybody after pick 100, maybe I have to pick 150, you know, he gets off the slow start easy to cut him. He's just, you know, so much upside in that three game sample size that we saw without a Mark Cooper.

But I'd be more nervous about those wide receivers with pick it and especially gave her then flacco. So kind of crazy that it's 2025. And we're hoping for Joe flacco to rescue the fantasy value of Judy and a joku until Joe Flacco to rescue the fantasy value of Judy Najoku and Tillman. Tillman by the way would have a very niche superpower because Till according to the dictionary is to prepare and cultivate land for crops. So you would want him on your farm.

By the way, I didn't say that I am avoiding all Browns. I just said, what if I said that, because people are like, kind of assuming that's what I meant. But I will just say, I'll have you know, you know, where the Browns ranked in points per game last year? 33rd, 32nd, they were dead last 14.3 points per game. Yet that didn't mean they didn't have fantasy relevant. What are they in the James games? Yeah, not 33rd, but they still had fantasy relevant players.

But at that being said, you don't want to target the worst offense in football. There's something to be said for passing on players on teams that you don't expect to put up a lot of points. Cleveland would certainly be one of them. New Orleans would be one of them. We could list off a half dozen other teams. You could almost figure out the teams yourselves.

Yeah. It's pretty easy to just take a step back on those guys and say, yeah, there's not going to be as many touchdowns to go around. They're not going to be as good. Get them off your list. All right. So Jamie's favorite values right now on fantasy pros or Travis Hunter 72nd overall is wide receiver 34. Dak Prescott 91st overall. I'm gonna talk a little bit

more about him when we get to our emails. QB 12 Prescott. Justin Fields 102nd overall QB 14. Jordan Mason 108th overall RB 38. David Njoku 109th overall, tight end nine. Oh boy, Jamie wants a lot of, if only he could have three picks in round nine, get all those guys. Darnell Mooney, oh four picks in round nine. 111th overall, wide receiver 49, and Cedric Tillman on the farm.

156th overall, wide receiver 61. Back after this with Dave's favorite values on Fantasy Football Today. We're back. Someone in the chat said I should learn how to talk like Howard Cosell. So I could give that a shot. I just have to listen to him. I know what he sounds like, but I need to hear it back. But Dave, why? No, no, I don't have it yet. Dave, why don't we go to your Why do I do it right from this right from the jump there. Why don't we go to your list here? You like Derek Henry 21st overall.

This is CBS ADP. I'll compare it to fantasy pros where it's worth talking about Henry if his fantasy pros ADP is like 13th or higher. That's where he is on both sides. He's right around 13th. Okay. And that's where he should be going in full PPR non PPR. He's an easy firstround pick. I had this

conversation with my wife. My wife follows football. She's not a total idiot when it comes to football. And I said, Can you make the argument against Derrick Henry, other than he's old? And she thought about it, and she goes, Well, he doesn't catch a ton of passes. I said, so he scores a ton of touchdowns. He's in the best offense for what he does. I don't think I can do it. I don't think there's an argument to be made against Derek Henry other than age. What Coast cell would agree with you, Dave. Oh, gosh. All right, let's move on then.

Bucky Irving was next on your list. Right. And he's going... 42.4, he's never going there. Yeah, moving on. But a guy who is going there is Alvin Kamara, because on Fantasy guy, on Fantasy pros, on football guys, on CBS, Alvin Kamara is about 44th-ish overall. So we're talking about a round four pick, late round four in some cases, and you had 47th on CBS. So talk to me about Camara.

So the, the idea of passing on players on bad teams, the Trump card for that is what about players that catch a lot of passes and it's full PPR, that can be an equalizer. And that's exactly what's happening with Alvin Camara. Yeah, he's older, 30 years old. We know that we're, that we should be scared of running backs when they turn 30. But last year, he averaged 19 PPR points per game. Year before that, he was at almost 18 PPR points per game. So he went up. We've seen him routinely get north of 17 PPR points per game. It's because of the target volume that he gets last year, 6.4 targets per game. Now

he's got a better play caller in Kellyn Moore. Kellyn Moore definitely has a track record of throwing to his running backs. Regardless of what you saw in Philadelphia last year, we know that he's done that previously, and he will take advantage of that. This offense isn't going to be great, but they've got a sure thing at running back with Alvin Kamara. And there's no Taysom Hill! Taysom Hill is still sidelined with his ACL injury. I'm not sure if he's going to play at all this year. There's not going to be any stealing of touchdowns by Taysom Hill. That'll open the door for Alvin Kamara to get more than the 8 total touchdowns that he had last year. I love this value. I kind of don't mind getting him a little bit ahead of ADP, because I think he'll be so involved in what the Saints do that he can make up for whatever lack of huge upside or ceiling that he would normally

have that we would take away from him because he's older because he's on the Saints. I think he can still come through in a big way in full PPR and even half PPR leagues. Love this value for A to the K. half PPR leagues love this value for a to the K. My favorite thing about Camaro is he played four games last year with Spencer Rattler and three of them he scored 17 plus PPR points. Bang. So as bad as it's do this could have been. Yeah. But let's talk about this because we had we had this debate on Express, right, Jamie?

Thanks. Okay. So let's expand it to the larger audience. And even though the Express episodes are in this feed, maybe you've all heard this before, but I want to get Dave's take on it because I pushed back on that a little bit. While it is 100% true that he did score 17 or more fantasy points in three or four games without Derek Carr, he had 13 carries in a 5127 loss, seven carries in a 33-10 loss, 10 carries in a 26-8 loss, and five carries in a game that he actually left early and still scored 17 fantasy points

in a 20-19 loss, actually. So my concerns when I look at that, oh, he scored, Alvin Camaro scored 17 or more fantasy points in three or four games without Derek Carr. My concerns are the carries were extremely low. So much of it was cashes. But more so than that, Chris Olavi played one game. No, I see you Dave. Chris Olavi played one game. Rashid Shahid played one game. So he never did this with the full compliment of receivers on the field. And he was the only freaking guy on the offense to that warranted any touches. So that's why, like Jamie pointed out, they're not going to get blown out by that much every single game.

It'll be more competitive. We'll have more carries. I thought that was a great point, but no, it won't be like a 30 point loss every time. It was a great, not every time they'll be competitive in a bunch of their games, but no, it won't be like a 30 point loss every time. It was a great, not every time they'll be competitive in a bunch of their games, but this, this, I don't, do they win five games this year? No, I don't think so. I think they're the worst team. Yeah. This is another team with a suspect defense and obviously everybody knows that the quarterback situation is pretty lousy as of now. And that's the thing I think with Camara, it's only, it's just,

it's only receptions. I can't see anything else. I don't think he's gonna score a lot of touchdowns. Like, even though Taysom Hill is the tourney sale, maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't worry about that. I think the thing that you're, the reason you're drafting him in this format

is for those game walks. Yes. No, I don't know, because what if- No, but I'll just say this. I didn't say this last time. You're right. The situation, if you're just looking at those four games, should be better because of Kellen Moore, because of Olavi, because of Sheheed.

Should be better, right? And I did say this last time. That probably gives him some more carries. So maybe it balances out a little bit. But where you're drafting him, you shouldn't even be expecting 17 points per game. If you get that, it's a huge bonus. For sure. But you're drafting him in this range for 14 plus points per game. So if the numbers get shifted around a little bit, the targets move to the receivers and look, they

were still throwing two guys there. So it's not like it was just, oh, there's no Elavi, the My expectations for Camara in PPR, and it's only PPR, I mean, obviously, going to have his scoring potential in nine and a half, but is I want this. This is why I'm drafting this guy, because he is 80 catches and he's going to have opportunities like this because they're trailing. I just want to, you know, to the Taysom Hill point, yes, he doesn't have that guy to share with. My fear is with Dennis Allengon, does Kendre Miller get a better chance? And more importantly, Devin Neal, does he get a better chance to take Khmer at 30 off the field? Now I asked Kellen Moore at the owner's meetings about any concern that at his age, are you going to limit his workload?

He said, absolutely not. And so if that holds and he's still playing his usual allotment of snaps then these are gonna be these type of performances for him so again if I was expecting 17 plus I'd be drafting him in round three or sooner I'm expecting 14 to 15 because of age and situation and all these things but this is why you look for him with the four or five turn this is why you know if you find him you find him in round five, it's a huge plus round four, I think is going to be his sweet spot. Also Adam, there's, there's a whole career track record to look at with Alvin Camaro.

You can, if, if what he did in those games without Olavi and Shahid was an anomaly to his entire career, then of course we could say, Oh yeah, there's going to be a pullback there. He's not going to catch as many passes. Look at his entire career. No, no. The thing is, in those games, really the only thing he did was catch passes, you know? And that's what he's done for a chunk of his career. In addition to getting more carries, every running back, when his team's behind by two plus scores, they're going to have single-digit runs. But Camaro has been getting catches literally since like the fourth game of his career. Yeah, he was on pace for 85 catches in those games, right? And I feel like that's a little high. I'll agree. But 70 is absolutely reasonable to expect. Yeah, it's just if it's 70 catches,

and he had I think it could be more than that. I think it could be 85. It's just, if it's 70 catches and he had, I think it could be more than that. I think it could be 85. It could be. He was on pace for 84 for the season. I don't know. It's just, it's just attaching yourself to maybe the worst offense in football

in the fourth round is a little scary for me. And by the way, I think Alvin Kamara is, Alvin Kamara and Ken Walker right now for me are the two toughest players. Like I'm not trying to argue with you just to be a jerk. I just think that I really struggle with Kamara because I see everything you guys are saying. But this will be the worst offense of his career. And by the way, he's 30, you know, and he's been an inefficient kind of lousy running back for four years now.

But he does one thing really well. And in this format, it works. Agreed. What round are you drafting Malik neighbors in? It's so funny, Dave. The first thing I was thinking of when he said bad offense, like Malik neighbors is a top 10 pick. Yeah.

There's two Raiders that have an ADP of. Well, and by the way, remember last year people were going, should we really be taking two jets in the first round? And they were both enormous busts. So now I don't think Wilson would have been an enormous bust if Adams had not been acquired. But Breece Hall was a huge bust. So I get that, neighbors is not someone I've been,

I haven't drafted neighbors yet, by the way. Cause I do think he's terrific, but I also think he's on the worst offensive. All of the wide receivers were taking that round. That's a big deal to me. I get you, I get you. Hey, this is the push and pull of fantasy. Like all these points for,

all these points against these players. The whole reason why we talk about it is so that everybody listening can make decisions for their teams. All right, Dave, let's get to Jaden Daniels going 47th in CBS. That's a gift. Yeah, look, I I'm one of those people I don't like to reach for quarterbacks at all. I don't know what he's doing going this late. It's like, is he there in fantasy pros as

well? Now he's 30th in football guys. and he is that's way more realistic. 30 third info. And are you good to hit with Jayden Daniels? 33rd? I think that's fair. Yeah, I would take them around that range. I would take any of the top three quarterbacks in that early 30th overall type of range. A Mecca, a Bucca 112th overall. And this one I do think is pretty spot on. And I just I can't help but have this feeling that he's going to end up mattering this year in a significant way. And it's easy to say now, because Chris Godwin appears to not be

ready for the start of training camp. And Mike Evans is an elder statesman on Tampa's offense. This is another player that I'm going to see in joint practices. And I just, I have a feeling that he's going to end up being a bigger contributor than we can all think about in Tampa's offense this year. And so getting him in practically round 10, that is round 10. Just draft him, put him on your bench, wait and see what happens. Even better to do it if you draft Evans or Godwin earlier on draft day. I think the comparison that scares me with JSN is Jackson Smith and Jigbo. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, with the Bucca is, is JSN. Sure, sure, sure. Cause it's the exact same scenario,

right? When JSN got drafted to Seattle, he was behind theoretically DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett and his numbers were never great as a rookie. No, he only had 93 targets. Right. I do think this offense is better than what JSN was in his rookie year. I just look now, they had the 2023 Seahawks through 575 passes, the 2024 Buccaneers through 571. All right, next up we've got Jared Goff and Drake May going 126 and 127.

Hold up, hold up. Were we drafting JSN in the 100 range as a rookie? Yeah, I'll check for you right now. So that was 2020. I'm pretty sure we did not. I think he went earlier than this. He went 98th in fantasy pros. Okay. I don't know about still a full round plus ahead of where a book is going now. Okay. You got two quarterbacks going

late. You got golf and Drake made are going around 11. Yeah, I still love golf as a top 12 fantasy quarterback. He might not be very sexy. And I don't think he'll be quite as good as he was last year. Think of him as one of those quarterbacks that can average north of 22 fantasy points per game and 6 points per passing touchdown leagues, but under 25. Still has great weapons around him. I ended up liking the Lions defense more than I thought I would when I studied them. So there could be some games where he doesn't throw a ton, and generally he doesn't throw a ton anyway. But I still think for the value of border Round 10, Round 11, for a guy who could start for your fantasy team, that's a name you can keep in mind if you miss any of the big quarterbacks early on draft day. And you could pair him with Drake May, who's going in that same range. May has huge

upside because he runs. I think he's got a cannon for an arm. If he can harness his arm a little bit more, be a little bit more accurate. And I think having digs in the middle of the field will help him there. He could end up paying off in a major way. You can get both these guys. Throat-tough Trevor Lawrence in this mix. Lawrence has huge upside. There are a lot of quarterbacks that I just love. After 100th overall, Jamie had a couple on his list. I've got a couple on mine. It's not, it's not going to hurt you if you whiff on one of the top five or six quarterbacks on draft day. Absolutely. What I find so interesting is that it's Caleb Williams, it just seems to have ascended above all of these guys that you mentioned, you know, golf and May and, and who you're just talking about. I'd rather have got fields than Dak than Caleb at this point. Well, Dak is ahead of all of them too, for the most part,

but Caleb of all the like sort of unproven guys that we're hoping take a leap, Caleb just seems to have lapped, well, Bonix is ahead of everyone, but he was better. He was a lot better than Caleb Williams last year. Caleb gets drafted, you know, around a hundredth overall. People are expecting more from him than the others. And I get it.

Yeah. I don't think it's wrong. I just think it's interesting. Well, I think like May has been one of the bigger risers for me since the off season, you know, so he's he's actually back to back with golf. I have golf at 14 and May at 15. And that's a move I'm ready to make. And I could see myself putting May at 13 ahead of Purdy if the 49ers receiving court continues

to be a mess. So the running upside for May is is clearly evident based on what he showed. And I know Adam will push back with his yards per carry and how incredible it was and that'll come down. But I think that's where the passing numbers sort of offset that. The schedule is going to be fantastic and the play calling should be much better. So there's lots to like about Drake-May's situation. That's one where I struggle with is May versus Caleb and Kyler because right now, Caleb's

at 11 for me, Kyler's at 12. I love the fact that Kyler's going to run more. So what I'll probably end up doing and may do it today is put Kyler at 11, May at 12 and Caleb at 13 and just the potential of Drake-May. And look, we've had some guests on and I know we've had some conversations. In four-point for passing touchdown passing touchdown leagues Drake May is getting drafted as a top 12 quarterback in six points is where you see a little bit of the The the value is different but I think like for me like I I just get so excited about the potential what Drake may could be After what he showed in those ten healthy games last year where he was just over 21 points per game

I think he could live there this season which puts him in top 12. And big whoop if he ends up flaming out because you're taking them with such a late pick. You can find another quarter off the waiver wire. You're probably going to draft another quarterback with Drake May. Just one of these are the easiest picks to earmark on draft day. This position just looks so good, man. Yeah, we, and we say that every year, but I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel like this year especially, you can make the case for like 20 different guys who could be your starting quarterback week one. I don't think we say this every, I think the last few years, as I recall, it felt like

quarterbacks always deep. I was going to be able to find someone off the waiver wire, but those elite ones at the every, I think the last few years, as I recall, it felt like, quarterbacks always deep. I was gonna be able to find someone off the waiver wire, but those elite ones at the top, you know, they have a lot more value. They seem like they're separated from the pack. This year, yeah, like they obviously they're still great, but I do feel like we are kind of framing it

like it's deeper than it's been in a long time. And I guess it's a little bit unproven though, right? I mean, a lot of the guys that were saying, oh, it's so deep. There's so many guys that come out of nowhere every year. Right, but a lot of the guys that were saying, oh, you can draft this guy to be a week one starter, Caleb Williams, Drake May, they weren't good enough to warrant that last year. We are hoping, Trevor Lawrence, we're hoping for leaps. But this is where I think the fun part of it is, because if you're waiting for these guys on draft day, you're playing the game of if someone will take them as their second

quarterback because the fantasy managers that buy into the upside and already have the Boeniks, Baker Mayfield, maybe Mahomes because of his last couple of years and they take the second guy. But you can easily take the upside play of Caleb or May or still Kyler in my opinion, Trevor Lawrence. I don't think he's going to go ahead of those guys. And then pair them with Goff or pair them with Purdy or pair them with, if you still believe in Herbert as an elite fantasy quarterback or Tua, a year removed from leading the NFL and passing yards. There's so many ways to go. Stafford, you know, who's going to give you a decent floor.

Jordan loves CJ Stratton. Like it's just so many guys. It's just, it, it, I get why you want Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels. They're awesome and hopefully we'll be awesome again. But it's, it's always the, you know, you talk about the push and pull of it. Like what are you giving up in those rounds to take those quarterbacks? And if they don't hit like Mahomes the last two years has left a lot of people extremely frustrated.

What if Daniels does regress and has the CJ Stroud sophomore season, which I hope is not the case, you know, so there's just, there's different ways and go. But for me, like I always will wait on the position. Okay. Last guy on the list is JK Dobbins for Dave, who is going on 135th. What's his fantasy pros ADP? Is it anywhere near there?

So I actually looked at his NFC ADP because on fantasy pros and football guys, Dobbins is about 120 to 128 or something. So round or two ahead on an NFC ADP, which is the high state leagues high stakes, I can set a date range. So I looked over the last 1617 days and JK Dobbins is going 110th overall. So 111. Yeah, I still like that value. Because I think he's got a

chance to be the best running back in in Denver. I wouldn't say that it's a slam dunk. I'm not promising that that's going to happen. R.J. Harvey is obviously there and younger, healthier, faster. But I think Dobbins is there to play on passing downs, first and foremost. It wouldn't surprise me if early on he cut into Harvey's workload on running downs. And if Harvey struggles at any point, Dobbins is going to be the one that'll play until he inevitably misses time. So low risk, getting them after 100th overall is great and there's upside for him to be an RB too. He was one of the steals of last year's draft.

Let's see. So where's he going now? About, let's call it 120th. I would take them before 100th overall. Dobbins was going 132nd overall last year, according to fantasy pros. All right. Um, let's get some emails in here at fantasy football at CBS.com. Just two things real quick. Uh, that I don't think you touched on Jared, James Cook, excuse me. So say Jericho, James Cook is, uh,

reporting to Bill's camp, but there is speculation that he may not practice. As he waits for potential new deals. So something to keep an eye on there. And commander's owner, at least commanders for now, touched on Terry McLoran situation. He said, expect him to be here. First without a doubt, I think everybody in this building values Terry very much. We knew that coming in and we know that even more spending a year with him, we'll do whatever we can to get a deal done.

We're having some good conversations and we'll continue to do so. And then he talked about holdouts. He said that just the nature of our business is Adam Peters again. Obviously he'd like to get these things done quicker but it doesn't always happen that way. We're dealing with, in the case of Terry,

a really good player and a really good person. There's going to be twists and turns but having that confidence and understanding that our goal is getting a long-term deal done. So just keeping our focus on that. But it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to see these hold-ins. Uh, McLaurin, Cook, Joanne Jennings, like the track record the last couple of years

has not been good. No, I, and I just wonder. I wonder if McLaurin starts falling in ADP if Daniels will as well. I don't think so. I don't think so. But I do think Debo will rise and I think maybe Zach Ertz will rise too. All right, email here from by the way, Terry McLaurin does not deserve elite wide receiver money. There I said it. I'm actually so tired of these players holding in when they don't like James Cook to James Cook's. What did he say he wanted like $15 million or something like that? Well, I mean, I think you're the best podcast host

in the business. You should think that of yourself as well. When your contract is up, you should want the most money of any podcast host out there. Right, but I don't I don't think I'm the best podcast host. And even if I did, I would negotiate on your part. Like, I'm real listen, I'm honest of yourself. I'm honest. You can. Well, look, that's why I should be your agent. I just what's your percentage that you're going to take from his salary, Jamie? Because I love Adam, I just take 1%. Thank you. Wow. Okay. Okay. Here's an email.

I hope you negotiate a $10 million deal for him. Email from who we got here. We've got what's your name? What is your name? I don't know your name. Dave, what's his name and city? Bob from Providence, Rhode Island. Bob, Hey Cooper, Julian, Vaughn and Malcolm.

Oh, I think he said these are the last four non quarterback Superbowl MVPs. First. Did you see the audio came out of the rest from the Seahawks Patriots game? No. One says the other goes, I can't believe they didn't throw it there with, with Marsha.

I can't believe they threw it there when they have Marsha. That's so funny. It's true. He says, We're still saying it now all these years later. I must express my disagreement with Dan's airplane take. Window seat gets the window and a decent sleeping spot. Isle seat gets a bit of extra leg room and easy bathroom access. Middle seat gets two arm rests.

Those are the rules. We're living in a society. And I think you're right here. 5'6", 3'2", and 270 pounds. I think he's right. Window is the worst, or aisle is the worst seat. Middle is the worst seat, sorry. You give him the two arm rests. Now, here's the question.

Can you like see how that played itself out? Like Dan just elbowing the person next to him? No. Whenever a receiver goes to a new team, there's always a discussion about how that new wide receiver will affect the other wide receivers on that team. Sometimes we assume that the extra mouth defeat will take targets away from existing wide receivers, but sometimes we expect that the new receiver will draw defensive attention away from the existing wide receiver and open up more opportunities like Pickens going to

Dallas. Are we worried about Lam because Pickens is going to take away targets or is Pickens going to Dallas. Are we worried about Lamb because Pickens is gonna take away targets or is Pickens gonna open things up for Lamb? Same with Cup in going to Seattle. What is your opinion on this guys? Really more worried about Jonathan Mingo. It's a good question. Does the new receiver help or hurt? And Eileen, if anything Eileen hurt, definitely not help.

Yeah. I would also, but I think you're looking at, again, what did the team do around those guys, right? Like there's no Brandon Cooks still in Dallas for what that's worth. I think what Pickens does, like he takes those cook opportunities, he takes the Jalen Tolbert opportunities, he takes away from Jake Ferguson. And then

you look at, you just said it, Dak Prescott averaged 37 passes per game. There's enough for these guys to still eat and be successful. So the CD Lambs still averaged 23 plus PPR points per game when he was at his peak in 2023 when Dak was healthy? Probably not, but he could still be north of 20 easily, which is why he's my second favorite receiver this year behind Chase. I like him better than Jefferson. So there's enough of this opportunity here in particular. So like look at Diggs last year going to Houston, right? There were moving parts with that offense and they needed somebody to come in and be really a second receiver. I think Christian Kirk this year going there, like that doesn't hurt Nikko Collins. No, it doesn't hurt based on last year, but I do think

you could have argued that Stefan Diggs would have hurt Nikko Collins because he took so many targets ended up really hurting Tankdell. And I think that's based on the research I've done. It's not the studs and the research for this question. It's not the studs that gets hurt that get hurt. But I will give you one example of like Devante Adams going to Las Vegas really actually hurt Darren Waller, his target per out run rate went from 24.3% to 17.5%. That's that. But you also added a Hall of Famer. Right, right.

I was gonna say this isn't this isn't like Pickens. This would be like lamb joining Pickens. Trying to look up right now like Tyreek joining the Dolphins. Tyreek. So what here's what I'm going to do with Tyreek. I'm going to look at him right now. And he did, by the way, really hurt Jalen Waddle. Yeah. But would Jalen Waddle have hurt? Now, did he hurt Jalen Waddle? He hurt Jalen Waddle's targets.

He did not hurt his production the first year because Waddle had a bunch of companies. There was also a new coach coming in and a new system too. Yes, that is true. I'm going to look at his... All right, we'll come back to this. I'm going to look at Tyreek Hill's target per route run rate with waddle on the field and with waddle off the field. Because I think that's kind of like lamb and pickings. Best example I can give. Alright, let's go to our next question from Keegan. From the north side of the Juan de Fuca straight, which is in the Pacific Ocean

somewhere, I had never heard of it. The Hampton Najee situation is giving me deja vu of when Derek Henry first came into the league and played behind DeMarco Murray Do you see it that maybe it might take a season or even two before Hampton is a true bell cow? It's possible But I don't think it's like super likely that it's going to take two seasons or even half of one season because I think ultimately, Najee's got solid talent, but Omar and Hampton gives them something different. He's more explosive. He can play on three downs. Najee can too. Hampton should be better than Najee at this point. And the fact that Hampton now has a chance to showcase himself, he's been working as RB1 at the start of

training camp for the Chargers. Chargers veterans have been practicing already. Najee's not there because of the incident on July 4. Now Omar and Hampton has a chance to show this coaching staff, Hey, I can be that guy for you right off the bat. You don't even need Najee to do anything more than just give me a rest every now and then, or to play certain downs and distances and, and use, use me instead. And we saw this coaching staff veer away from mediocre talent at running back last year and lean into, it was Dobbins who was their best running back. They started giving, once they realized that Gus Edwards was, was, you know, terrible, they just leaned into Dobbins and Dobbins was their guy until he got hurt. So I think it could happen a lot sooner than we initially thought with Hampton. I got some pretty fun stats for you here. Tyreek Hill, target per route run rate with Jalen Waddle on the field. 30.5%, 31%, 22.4%. Target per outrun rate with Waddle off.

20.4% was last year? Yeah. Yeah, that was, I think we have to almost throw out last year when it comes to the Dolphins passing game. So in three years, I'll just round up to round up or down. Target per outrun rate with Waddle on the field for Tyreek Hill, 31%, 31%, 22% with him off the field, 41%, 46%, 25%. A huge difference the first two years. I mean, look at that with him off the field, target per hour run rate over 41%. Last year, Pukinakua led in this metric with like 38%.

That's two out of every five throws. And last year, his target per hour run rate was 2.2% higher with Waddle off the field. So I do think that that could go down for CDLAM. Not by a huge amount, but could go down. All right, sorry. So back to the questions here. Thank you for that good question, Keegan. How about Dino from North Carolina? What if the number two wide receivers and handcuff

running backs became number one? How would your top 20 look? Would Higgins, Waddle, Mason, Davis, who, you know, where would they be? If, if I guess all the starters got hurt and the wide receiver twos became ones and the RB twos became ones, what would your top 20 look like? You don't have to give me 20 players, but what do you think? What would change the most? Wow. Tyler Algier would get a big bump. But they all would get a big bump. Who would be the best? Who would be the best?

Charbonne? Yeah. Charbonne is really proving it, yeah. T Higgins could be wide receiver one in this scenario. Will Shipley? Devante Smith would be awesome. Devante Smith would be awesome. Ray Davis.

What if show? Yeah, this is. Oh my God. Jalen White. QB1? Zayn. Jalen Milrow? That's not a joke though.

Yeah. No. Well. Not QB1, but he'd be in the top. Yeah. He'd get drafted for show. I think it would affect the tight ends a lot too. Like Goddard and Hawkinson.

Oh, likely. Like. Is they like. if Zay Flowers went out, you're saying? No, Mark Andrews. No, I wasn't even doing that. I was just saying if the wide receiver one went out, which tight ends would benefit? Because I think that's a big... Oh, the... Like a Siki, remember? Sure. Yeah, I mean, you love ever seeing the numbers for Kelsey when Rice not there.

Yeah, which is going to happen for maybe five or six games. Yeah. Yeah. Hockinson, my gosh. Right. Yeah. Funny. Yeah. The other question is what if the Colts use Tyler Warren? Darren Waller. Darren Waller. What if the Colts use Tyler Warren like the Saints use Taysom Hill? Would that change Jonathan Taylor's rankings? I bet they do it on one play this year. But if they did it for 10 plays this year, that would impact Jonathan Taylor.

But I'm not expecting that to happen. Because why would you take the ball out of Jonathan Taylor's hands at the goal line? Did I tell you guys about the, Mike is dismayed that Heath is dis in May tracker? I think I may have this is Mike who donated $1,000 just so he can argue with Heath about Drake May. Wow, doesn't like Drake May is not high enough on Drake may according to Mike who's a Patriots fan. So we're gonna he wrote a whole email when Heath gets back for vacation next week, I'm going to read it. But we need that. We need that. We need that debate. My

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