Fantasy Football Today - Best Second Half Performers, Plus a Big Surprise for Jamey! (02/17 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

We start with some news and notes (3:00) with Tyreek Hill becoming a free agent, Bucky Irving having offseason surgery and some news on running backs who may or may not get the franchise tag ... Who were some of the second half standouts? We tell you which players thrived from Weeks 10-18 and why they had so much success. At quarterback (16:05), we talk Trevor Lawrence, Brock Purdy and Jacoby Brissett. At running back (23:30), we talk Chase Brown, Derrick Henry and the Patriots running backs. And we interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to give you big news about Jamey! ... At wide receiver (44:55), Chris Olave, Michael Wilson and Jameson Williams had huge second halves. And at tight end (58:10), Juwan Johnson, Kyle Pitts and Colby Parkinson excelled from Weeks 10-18, but will any of it carry over into 2026? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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today from CBS sports it's time to dominate your fantasy league off to the races and he stays on his feet now here's some combination of Adam Dave Jamie and Heath Tuesday February 17th welcome everybody to fantasy football today today we're going to talk about the best performers from weeks 10 through 18

believe it or not Brock Purdy he was surprisingly great and actually for the full season he was awesome he was number four quarter quarterback per game. But number three per game, average 25 points per game from weeks 10 through 18. Michael Wilson was amazing. Jameson Williams was a top 12 wide receiver. Kyle Pitts was one of the best tight ends in fantasy. And guys, I'll tell you, I went out with the family on Valentine's Day, but it was Valentine's Day, but it was Valentine's Day. And they were playing some Valentine's day music. And my heart will go on, came on, and I felt a great sense of shame.

Did you sing along? No. And I didn't even tell my wife about it because I'm so embarrassed by the performance. So you sang to an audience of thousands, but not to your wife. I don't want her to hear that. That would be bad. Yeah. Anyway.

Jamie, do you have her number, Jamie? Because we can send her the clip. No. I'll send it to Nando and he'll, uh. You know what? Everyone will see it then. He'll spice it up. I'll send it to, uh, did you send it to your brother, Adam?

No, I don't want anyone to know. No, he's going to find out. No. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. Anyway, we're not going to talk about everybody who was great during that time frame. Somebody said, A.J. Brown was excellent during the time that Adam just said.

And that's true. There were a lot of guys. We don't have to talk about Trey McBride, but we'll talk about Jacoby Preset. For example, Trevor Lawrence was number one quarterback in fantasy. So that's coming up in a little bit. Let's start with our news and notes. The Dolphins released Tyreek Hill and four other guys. Nick Westbrook-Akekekeke.

Offensive lineman James Daniels, edge rusher Bradley Chubb. It's a new era in Miami. But Tyreek Hill, we're actually going to dedicate eight or more minutes to him in an FFT Express episode after we do this. But Dave, that'll just be me and Jamie.

So give me your thoughts on Tyreek Hill being released. He's 32 years old, or he's about to be 32 years old, and he tore his ACL and dislocated his knee in week four. Yeah, tough injury to come. back from. This is when you would say, but if anybody can do it, it can be Tyreek Hill, but you laid it out. He's older.

Don't know what the motivation is at this point other than maybe one more payday, and he might even be able to get that. I've been taking him in round seven in our mocks in the middle of February, and for now I'm okay with that. We'll see where he lands. I don't think he's going to go to a Mickey Mouse team where he's not going to have a chance to, you know, make the playoffs or anything like that. And if he's in, if he makes the miraculous recovery, that's when I think fantasy managers will start

considering him as a top 60 pick. But there's no chance he's going to end up as a top 24 pick like he was over the past few seasons. I don't know if that's where he ended up last season. I think he did. But not like, he's not going to be drafted like he was before because of the risk involved. I remember him ending up in the third round when it was all set and done. but let me take a look at fantasy pros. Tyreek Hill was about 30th overall.

Okay, so he wasn't even in the top 24 last year. He was good, though. I mean, look, he had a bad week one. Two, it was horrible in week one. Four catches, 40 yards on six targets for Tyree Kill. I remember breaking it down on Beyond the Box score. Guy got open several times to him, it was a big place.

And then the next week was 16.9 fantasy points against the Patriots, 15.9 fantasy points at the Bills. and then 12.7 fantasy points against the Jets in about a half. And he had this terrible injury. So he actually was, I think, on his way to a solid season. I can't forecast that, but encouraging start. I would let Jamie talk, but again, I'm going to save Jamie's thoughts for FFT Express. So, Dave, where do you want to see Tyree Kilgo if you had an ideal destination?

All the typical landing spots where there's a stud quarterback make all the sense in the world. So Buffalo, a reunion in Kansas City. How about a reunion with Mike McDaniel in L.A. with the Chargers? All those spots, plus any of the other ones that I haven't said. Okay. I don't want to see him go to the Jets or the Browns or the Cardinals or, you know, anywhere where there's inferior quarterback play. You know the deal.

It's the first time that he's been a free agent in his career. So I would assume that he's going to do everything that, you know, or try to do everything that they've just said to get to one of those teams. But clearly this is also going to be money driven. And so, you know, if somebody offers him money that he can't deny, he may go that route to it. Jamie, quick detour from this. Do you have any paper on your desk?

Yeah, I saw the comments. I don't. I think you should. Joey Wright says, who thinks Jamie should shoot a basket into the trash can behind him? No look. I mean, there is a piece of paper in here, but it's instructions about what to do to log into this fancy setup that I'm, I don't want to throw that up. We'll see if we get him some throw out. I've got a ton of scratch paper.

Do you want me to bring you some paper? Jamie's in the building today. Would you like to take some shots, Jamie? No, I'm good. Okay. I was going to find something. Maybe during the commercial break. Okay.

Jamie, Bucky Irving had shoulder surgery. Mike Evans is expected to continue playing, according to Jenelaine of ESPN. And Levante David might retire. Tampa Bay's linebacker for the last 48 years. But what do you think about Bucking Irving having shoulder surgery? Kind of big deal, small deal, no deal? I would say small deal. You know, it's something to keep an eye on.

Any surgery is obviously something that's going to be, you know, worth keeping an eye on and monitoring. But, you know, this kind of explains what he was dealing with, you know, when he had the foot injury, the shoulder injury, you know, dealing with some of the, you know, maybe mental hurdles, I think that we heard about, you know, trying to come back from the injuries that he was, you know, battling. So hopefully everything's going to be fine by the time we get to

start a camp, a new offense coordinator again. So we'll see what happens in terms of the system. And Rashad White most likely gone. So I think that's also a factor here as well. But if he falls to the right spot, and my guess is he doesn't get past the first three rounds. But if he falls to the right spot, I think you're getting what could be a great value here because while he finished the season in such a terrible form, if you look at the start

of the season, he was awesome. You look at the first two games, he came back from the injuries. He was awesome. And so there's still plenty to love. about what Buckey Urban can be. So borderline RB1 for me still in the rankings right now. Do you like that he went 25th overall in our most recent months? Yeah, that felt a little soon, you know,

looking at some of the running backs that are still on the board. But I think if you can get him middle to the back end around three, to me that feels like the start of when he should start to come up the board. You get him around four to me, it's still. I bet if the offseason goes right for him and Tampa doesn't add another running back, their offensive line looks great. And he's healthy in participating in OTAs and then training camp, no injuries. I bet you'll see him sneak in the late round, too.

Sure. Well, at the beginning of the year, he had 10, 19 catches in four games. Rashad White, obviously, we're not expecting him back with the buck. So that's huge. But then there's Sean Tucker who ended up being the goal line back for them. Yeah, we'll see how things play out for Bucky Irving. Again, different coordinators. So that hopefully will help him.

Zach Robinson is their coordinator. he was the Falcons coordinator each of the last two years and he said Bucky Irving could have a role in the passing game similar to that of Bijon Robinson. Dave, a couple of franchise tag notes. According to the Athletic, the Jets are unlikely to franchise Breece Hall. So Jets likely to franchise Breeze Hall according to the Athletic. According to ESPN, Adam Schefter,

the Seahawks are unlikely to tag Ken Walker. So discuss Brees Hall, Ken Walker. I wonder if the transition tag is in place. for Walker where there's no compensation if he does sign elsewhere, but it makes him a little less pricey for the Seahawks. And that's their way of keeping them around for one more year. And I get why the Jets would want to keep Breece Hall. He's a good player.

They need good players. I'm not going to, I need to see what's built around Breeze Hall before I really consider taking him anywhere close to the first two rounds. Okay. Who went, I mean, Ken Walker went kind of late. our last draft. He went in round three. He went a few picks after Bucky. Right after he won Super Bowl.

Derek Henry, Kairn Williams, and then Kenneth Walker. And Brees Hall went about a round later. He went with the third pick of round four. To me, what a pick. Yeah, that's a, Breece Hall with the third pick in round four to me is better than Kenneth Walker in the middle of round three. Sorry, Johnny.

Okay. Cameron Wolf of NFL Network says the Jaguars plan to use Travis Hunter as a full-time cornerback and a part-time wide receiver. And that's, I think, kind of how we've been approaching it. Derek Carr, remember him? He said he'd unretire for the chance to win a Super Bowl. I did see someone picked up Derek Carr in a

Dynasty Superflex league, so maybe not a bad idea. Washington offensive... Well, that's allowed to make transactions in... In a dumb league, like Heath's... Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Don't tell Heath I said that. Gotcha. Washington offensive coordinator, David Blow. Dave, that name again? Is David Blow?

And he said the offense will be built around. getting Terry McLaurin 10 targets a game. Maybe some hyperbole, but that's encouraging to hear. David Blow wants to get Terry McLaren involved. All right, we got two new offensive coordinators. Seattle is expected to hire tight ends coach for the Niners. So San Francisco, a better way to say it. Seattle expected to hire San Francisco tight end coach

and run game coordinator Brian Flurry to be their new offensive coordinator. Maybe we thought that they'd promote from within, but their quarterback's coach is going to the Raiders to be the coordinator there. Andrew Janaco, I don't know if I said that right, but he's not calling in place. That'll be Clint Kubiak. But Jamie, Seattle, I don't know, poaching from the Niners, getting their tight ends coach, Brian Flurry, is their new offensive coordinator. Thoughts?

It's basically the same tree. I mean, Kubiak was with the 49ers also. So you're talking about hopefully similar concept, similar stuff to what Darnels used to, you know, coming from O'Connell to Kubiak, you know, so, you know, You don't expect much to change there. And obviously, the Shanahan tree has been very successful. So, you know, I think this is a positive. Their last run game coordinator was Mike McDaniel,

or at least the last one to become a coordinator slash coach. So I think that's a positive, you know, so keeping a lot of the similar stuff that, you know, Darnel's used to. And, you know, we'll see who the running back is at this point, obviously. But for JSN, I think it's fine. For Donald, I think it's fine. I don't think it's something to worry about.

I never really love it. when a new offensive coordinator works off an old offensive coordinator's playbook. But this is a playbook that is generally the same. There's obviously going to be different wrinkles in every single version of the West Coast offense or the Shanahan offense. Shanahan and McVey aren't running the exact same plays, for example. And I like that Florey does have some experience with Donald. I think that's what the Seahawks and Mike McDonald really wanted the most was somebody who knew Donald and that Donald could trust. and it's a new voice in his ear and still the same offense.

Maybe it'll be okay. I would say this. If the tiebreaker between Puka Nakua and JSN in a fantasy draft is who's their play caller, then you know which way that tiebreaker is going every single time. It ain't going JSN's why. For me, there's not even a, I don't even need a tiebreaker. I don't either, but some people, some people might. JSM was really good last year.

Puka. I think we all like Puka better. Yeah. And our last note is a defensive note. Jim Schwartz has been the defensive coordinator for the Browns for a while, but that will not be the case now. The Browns are replacing him with Mike Rutenberg, who comes over from the Atlanta Falcons. Another guy whose name, I hope I pronounced correctly. All right, we got a lot of other...

His brother, Steve, was awesome. Police Academy. Yes, yes, he was. Bahoni. Okay. Other podcasts we have, we have a lot of them. We have an NFL draft podcast with... Ryan something.

I never remember the name of it. No, just kidding. Ryan Wilson with the first pick podcast. Great time to be listening to that. Another great way to get ready for the NFL draft is on the FFT Dynasty podcast. Heath has a lot of great guests come on, talk about these prospects. But we have, you know, most of the major sports covered. Go to CBSports.com slash podcasts and enjoy.

We'll be right back with our best second half performers, beginning with the quarterbacks, Trevor Lawrence, from weeks 10 through 18, averaged over 20. seven points per game. From weeks 12 through 18, he averaged 31 points per game. We'll talk about him when we return. Best second half performers, beginning with the quarterbacks,

and Lawrence was QB1 per game, Brock Purdy was QB3 per game, and Jacoby Preset was QB7 per game. This is from weeks 10 through 18, pretty much the second half of this season. Lawrence, QB1, Purdy, QB3, and Jacoby Perci, QB7 per game, and six point per passing.

game touchdowns. Dave, how would you rank them in terms of legitimacy? You know, Lawrence. Yeah, like which performance is the most legit, most legit to least legit? Well, the one I'm going to draft first is Lawrence, followed closely by Purdy and then a gap. And then it's Jacoby Brissette. So I guess that would be my order. But I don't think there's any question that Trevor Lawrence took a step forward in a number

of ways. It coincided with Jacoby Myers arriving in Jacksonville. It coincided with the Jaguars finding the best version of Parker Washington and utilizing both of those wide receivers when Brian Thomas was spinning his wheels. I think that Lawrence is worthy of being considered a top 12 fantasy quarterback and Purdy's really close to it. But I just, I know the track record with Purdy and he's like steadily around 20 to 22 fantasy points per game. I don't know if the entire team atmosphere is going to be the same for the 49ers next year, this coming year, as it was in 2025.

So maybe not as many high-scoring games for him as this past year. And then Berset, he kind of started to fail toward the end of the year. He had three straight games with 20 and a half or fewer fantasy points. So he's the one I would trust the least of these three. Yeah. And Berset was average.

40 pass attempts per game right around there. So it was so volume dependent. Jamie, one of the stats that jumps out to me when I look at these three quarterbacks is, let me tell you where Brock Purdy has finished on a per game basis in his last three seasons. QB6, QB11, QB4 in six point per passing touchdown leagues. That's two top six finishes on a per game basis in his last three years. And in four point, also two top six. He's been top 11 all three years.

He actually runs quite a bit. I mean, last two years, on pace for 366 yards and six touchdowns, on pace for 278 yards and six touchdowns. So he's probably underrated. But yeah, would you take Lawrence over Purdy? If we were drafting, obviously Perchette will be last. But how about you with Purdy and Lawrence? Yeah, I would.

I think Purdy's got so much still to be determined right now because you have Kittle coming off in Achilles' tear. you have most likely Brandon Iyuk gone. You have potentially Juan Jennings gone. And Ricky Pearsov can't stay healthy plus the 30-year-old Christian McCaffrey and an aging offensive line. So you trust the player because of the numbers you just listed. He's been very successful as a fancy quarterback.

You certainly trust the coach in the system. And so can they sort of retool on the fly to put pieces around him that are going to continue to make him successful? So I don't want to knock Brock Purdy and say that he's not capable of elevating an offense because clearly he has, but he's also been surrounded by a lot of greatness during his time in San Francisco, factoring in the coach and everything that goes along with, you know,

Kyle Shanahan and those players. So, you know, if Kittle makes a speedy recovery and is good to go and they sign or draft the right receiving court, then I think Brock Purdy ends up being one of the best value picks. But for me, I would much rather take a chance on Trevor Lawrence looking at what Liam Cohen has done

for the last two years as a play caller, what he did for Baker Mayfield, what he did for Trevor Lawrence, what he does to enhance those quarterbacks as rushers. Both guys have had great seasons running the ball. I think that's huge for Lawrence. Nine rushing touchdowns, I believe, was what he scored. So there's just a lot to like about where Lawrence is headed, and especially when you factor in, now there's some discussion.

I know Bill Barnwell of ESPN, for example, floated some trade potential scenarios, and Brian Thomas was one of those mentioned. and we have the Travis Hunter, will he, won't he play, how much will he play on offense? You know, that's still to be determined. But if you have everybody back

with the addition of Jacobi Myers and what Parker Washington did and a full season of Brent and Strange, like that's an amazing receiving core around Trevor Lawrence. So I think just looking at where one is headed versus where one is, you might be great drafting both of them.

You know, Lawrence continuing on this breakout ascension and Brock Purdy, a pretty good fallback option just in case Lawrence goes back to being kind of unfortunately what he's been, where he hasn't been that consistent fantasy quarterback for what we like to see. It's just funny because if I asked myself before the show started, I think I would have gotten this wrong. If I asked the general fantasy public, who averaged more fantasy points per game this year,

Trevor Lawrence or Brock Purdy? Who had more? Yeah. I think people would say Lawrence, but it was actually Brock Purdy, He brought Purdy. Scored more points. 23.9 fantasy points per game. 2023, he was at 22.4.4.

Points per game. Those are terrific. 2024, 20.5 points per game. He was QB11. Well, the way you phrased it, though, would be Lawrence. Because you didn't say who averaged more. You said who scored more. Right.

Oh, yeah, who averaged more. That'd be the average. Pretty played in fewer games, too. Yeah, he only played nine games. He also had a really high interception rate. And 7.6 yards per. attempt, which was ninth best in the NFL for Purdy, which is terrible for a 49ers quarterback. They're usually eight or above, so there's some room for improvement.

Yeah, my question with Lawrence, last thing, we'll move on to running backs. Jamie, what makes you think that this end of season stretch, which was incredible, 31 points per game from weeks 12 through 18, including that massive game in Denver, where it was just like, okay, it's not the competition anymore. Why is this different than what we saw, I want to say three years ago down the stretch for Trevor Lawrence? was better, but he's kind of fooled us before. Why are you more willing to buy in?

Coaching and maturity? You know, I think just the system is, again, I trust Liam Cohen, Rams guy, what he did in Tampa Bay, what he did in Jacksonville. Like, it's pretty clear. This guy can coach. And he can get great production from his quarterback, quarterbacks. And so I think just Lawrence finally getting the right voice in his ear, the right players around him. It just feels as if this is now a guy that is settling into hopefully who he will

be and finally delivering on the pedigree that we saw coming out of Clemson. Okay. Moving on to the running backs. Some of the top performers. You're right, Dave? Did he freeze like that? That's a bad freeze right there. Okay. Well, Dave will be back. Moving on to the run. I thought he was just holding a pose. V too. I thought he was really curious about something. The running backs who excelled from weeks 10 through 18.

Chase Brown was RB 5 per game. And Derek Henry was RB 6 per game. Henry averaged 19.3 PPR fantasy points per game from weeks 10 through 18. And what else we got? Two Patriots running backs were top eight. Just thought this was fun. Trayvion Henderson was RB7 per game. Remandre Stevenson was RB8 per game.

From weeks 10 through 18 for Stevenson, that included a game where he scored two fantasy points and played 31% of the snaps. He missed three games. He came back. He barely played. And then after that, he was really good for fantasy, although a lot of it concentrated

in the last three games of the season. Chase Brown versus Derek Henry, Jamie. Who do you like better going into next year? Chase Brown, but I think, think Derek Henry is going to be probably undervalued again. You know, look, it's a coaching change. It's a system change, you know, potentially. I think what we'll end up seeing, though, is until this guy really starts to completely fall apart, whether that's injury or just falls off a cliff.

Like, at what point do you just stop, you know, believing him? And so we'll see, we'll see how that goes. Jamie locked this door. You got to unlock your door. Of course I locked the door. I knew he was something. Unlock it. We got a little surprise for the audience right now.

Here comes Dave Richard into Jamie's little studio. He's giving him trash to throw out into the bat. Everybody hear me? We're doing play by play. All right, we can hear you a little bit. It's not the mic. Dave, we can't hear you. All right.

All right, I'm going to do a little play by play. Got a big surprise for Jamie. You could see it on video, kind of. Dave's shaking his hand. Other people in the office are shaking his hand. Dave, the microphone is muted. Nobody can hear you. Nobody knows what's going on.

Unmute the... Now talk. Can you hear us? Yeah, but not through the mic. I think it's through Jamie's headphones. What the hell? What's it plugged into? What's a plug into?

My headphones. So now I've got to plug into the headphones. Yes. What a mess. Just talk. We can hear you. Yeah, this is exactly how it's supposed to be. There you go.

You go talking about this. This doesn't even work? No. Can you hear me, Adam? Yeah, it's great. Okay. Adam's loving all this, by the way. Okay.

All of our does. Yeah. Yeah. You know, use this thing. Me? I've got one somewhere. Horrible production right now. But it's all worth it, folks.

Where's the camera? This is it. Hi. There you go, Kaiser. You're on camera. You know, I can't think of a better room in our building to do this. But here we are. Jamie Eisenberg, 20 plus years in the fantasy industry.

Amazing job. One of the leaders in the space, absolutely the best analyst in the space. Start and Sitem is read by everybody. It is my honor and pleasure to tell you that you are a member of the 2020. Fantasy Sports Writers Association, Hall of Fame. Congratulations, my man. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Super well as a good. With us, A. Moran Berkson, coordinator producer for CBS Sports H.Q. RJ White, who's our editor, producer Jack Capitorto for CBS Sports HQ. And there's a ton of other people outside that want to celebrate James.

So, Jamie, go take your victory laugh. Get out of here. There we go. There we go. Amazing. Amazing. Yes. Jamie is a member of the hall.

He's a Hall of Fame, just like Dave. They're both in the Fantasy Football Hall of Fame. Pretty incredible stuff. I work with two Hall of Famers. Soon it'll be three, hopefully. Heath will get in there. They're all celebrating Jamie outside. That's really cool.

Really cool moment. There's a shot. If you're just listening, there's a shot of our office and everybody congratulating Jamie who's been there for so long now. We're on here. I'll say it on here.

Thank you. I appreciate you. You guys are awesome. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. All right. Now we're going to hear from Jamie. FSWA Hall of Fame inductee, Jamie Eisenberg.

You there? Yeah, yeah. Everybody's very happy for you, Jamie, in the audience. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Can't do it without you guys. You guys are all amazing. I mean, what is there to say?

You know, just a great group of, you know, people that I work with. always about the people who you surround yourself with. And I'm blessed and honored to be surrounded by the best cast and crew and co-hosts and hosts and producers. And, you know, throughout the years of just amazing coworkers and people. And the audience is fantastic. So I really appreciate this. You know, thank you, Dave and everybody for setting this up. I know he's been trying to do this for a few weeks now.

You know, just, you know, truly, truly honored. Very, you know, blown away. Thank you so much. Congratulations, Jamie. Thank you. I don't know what's happening. Cameras all messed up. That's all right.

Yeah, it's been amazing working with Dave and Jamie, and of course, Heath as well. Learned so much from them. I learned, I mean, I don't even know where to begin, just about fantasy football. And it's been incredible to work with these guys and see the effort they put in. Jamie works so freaking hard to, you know, to perfect his craft. So great stuff, and we're really happy for you. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Thomas, shall we continue with the show here? Or do we have another little surprise for Jamie? Dave, we ready for let's go? We have another surprise for Jamie.

Okay. Let's fire away. Since on your induction to the Fancy Sports Fiders Association Hall of Fame, enjoy trying to explain to people for the next few years that there actually is such a thing.

I'm really happy for you to be recognized. for all the hard work and care you've put into all this. You are graded all of that. You are an even better human being. So well deserved, even if you'd never help me win anything in my fantasy leagues, you're definitely a Hall of Famer as a person. And I couldn't be more happy for you, my friend.

A Hall of Famer. Absolutely love it. A legend in this business, legend in this industry. It was such an honor working alongside you all those years ago at CBS. And to see what you've done, it's absolutely awesome. You deserve it. I heard you're an FSWA Hall of Famer. It's probably all the nonsense that we pulled in the early years of cbsports.com.

This is what led you to greatness. You're the best. Thank you so much for all you do for the industry and for being my fantasy football partner leading us to the podcast championship. It's something you've deserved for a very, very, very long time. It's very overdue. You've been so important to me and my career and just me as a friend. I've never seen anybody in this industry work harder than you. any hour, any time of the day, any day of the year, you're there, you're available, you and me and Adam, that text chain that's going to be going for a long, long time, and we are going to be trolling Adam

and probably myself as well, obviously. Jamie has paved the way for me and people like me who love this to do this kind of work. So thank you, Jamie, thank you for being yourself, and congratulations. Jemais, just want to say congratulations on the Hall of Fame for me and George Sedano. Stop. Very well deserved. Jamie. We're really happy for you, man. It feels weird to say this, but welcome to the Hall of Fame from your fellow Hall of Fame. Oh, I meet you. Oh! Hi, Dad. You're the coolest person I ever met. I'm so proud of you. Congratulations. I already knew you're the greatest dad, greatest coach, and I'm the greatest fantasy writer. Thank you, Dad. Congrats.

We're so proud of you and we love you so much. Congratulations, and thank you so much for making me look like I know something to my fantasy team. I really appreciate it. I've definitely married to the right family. Hi, Jamie. I am a huge proponent of you receiving this prestigious honor. Congratulations.

And I agree completely. Love you. And we're so proud of you, Jamie, and so excited for you. We all love you so much. Congratulations. I'm so proud of you, Jamie, on receiving this incredible honor,

sending you my love. Now the football season is semi-over, or maybe over altogether. I don't know. I hope you were able to get some sleep because I know you don't sleep during football season. Be good. Bye-bye. Mouth will go.

Hey, Jamie. Congratulations on your award. We are so proud of you. Congratulations, Jamie. Congrats, Jamie. That's awesome. That's amazing. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. I mean, I'm crying. Thank you. That's incredible. I can't believe you guys did that. Thank you. Very cool.

Our pleasure. And it's so well. deserved. Thank you. All right. It deserved for a long, long time. I thought you might like to know

who else is in the class with you. Okay. I know what. Liz Loza. Well, deserved. Yes, she's amazing.

And then also a guy you might know named Scott Fish. Yes, well deserved. I believe you, you helped bring into this industry. And without question was another reason why you made the fantasy

Hall of Fame. Listen, just being a writer for 20 years, that's a lot, but also helping people. And you've helped so many people, both in this building and outside of this building, get their foothold. And one of them being a guy who's built like the most famous fantasy league ever and has done so many great charitable things, just an absolute five feathers in your cap, Jamie. So you helping bringing him along, you helping the entire industry, you carrying the banner for CBS is absolutely a huge part of it. It's so well deserved, but there's no time to slack. You have to keep going and you have to keep showing the world that you're a fantasy

football Hall of Famer and a Hall of Fame analyst. But I think James Westel said it best. You're also a Hall of Fame person. Well, thank you. I mean, the blown away. Blown away. Appreciate all you guys. Thank you so much.

Very cool. Yeah, and congratulations to Scott Fish, who's actually in the chat. Oh, my God. So well deserve. I mean, you want to talk about great. You DMs. Great human beings. Scott is just, you know, someone we should all aspire to be like and just the things that he does,

not just for the fantasy community, but for the world. And Liz is an amazing analyst, amazing person. You know, we've had the opportunity to have her on our shows, you know, a few times and, you know, been on her platforms as well. Like, she's just from Yahoo to ESPN, just absolute amazing. So very, very honored to be, you know, inducted with, you know, two amazing people like that and, you know, join such a great group of people that are in the Hall of Fame. You know, we've been blessed, you know, whether they've been here by a short amount of time, you know, people that started their careers at CBS. Like, we have a very strong group, you know, and I know Dave's honored to be part of this.

You know, I'm certainly honored to be part of this now. And, you know, hopefully, Adam, your time is coming soon. and Heath as well, Jacob, you know, down the line, Scott White, you know, who's probably overdue at this point as well for what he's done for the baseball side of things. And, you know, listen, it's as, as David Ganoz who opened the video said, it's a strange thing to say, you know, you're going to fake that fantasy Hall of Fame. It's not just football. But it's a pretty cool honor.

So I'm blown away. You know, even though I knew this was coming, I, not, you know, knew it was coming, but I knew, obviously the last couple weeks for some personal things going on. You know, Dave's been very patient with me, so I appreciate that. But just, you know, beyond honor.

Hey, Lucas there. What's going on? I don't know how much the all-famer. I deserve for me. Very deserved for Jeremy there. I'm in Vegas at a conference, so hopefully you can hear me okay

from my cell phone. Yeah. Man. I feel right now, I feel like I'm talking to Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells and like Don Shula and I'm Joe Judge or something like

that. Three FN.W.A. Congrats, Scott. Well deserve, man. How did it go, dude? Hell yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Where are you? Congrats, Amy. You as well. I'm in Las Vegas at a conference.

Oh, yeah, that's a good way to celebrate. Get in the Hall of Fame. That's what a Hall of Fame does. I get to sit in the closet here. This is what a Hall of Fame for does. Scott, you're in the Well, I've got to say, because like the FFT Open, which has been so awesome, and we've raised so much money for St. Jude,

is, you know, inspired by the Scott Fishbowl, which has been incredible and raised so much money for fantasy care. So thanks for all you've done, and you've been great as an analyst as well. But you have a really special play, the most philanthropic fantasy analyst that's ever existed. So congratulations, and you deserve it, my friend. Good job. Thank you, man.

I really appreciate that, but really this is about Jamie, the most deserving of the bunch. He's at least of us, too. I share a birthday with him, too, which is pretty awesome. Yeah. And Liz Loza is a day apart from us, Jamie. No! A two-day, yeah, a two-day span of three of three Hall of Famers in one in a two-day span there. We got to tell Scott and Heath to change their birthdays.

Apparently, you got to be. This thing is rich. October birthday in order to get in. All right, guys, listen. You had to break and get on with the show. But congratulations, Scott. Congratulations, Jamie. Scott, have fun out there in Vegas.

Yeah, thank you, see you guys. Have fun. All right. Yep. All right. An eventful fantasy football today episode here. And we will take a little break. Come back and get back to the topic at hand and talk about these running back.

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All right, real quick here. We'll finish up at running back. Dave, Derek Henry, you know, he had a bad start to the year. But just to recap, from weeks 10 through 18, Chase Brown was RB5 per game, Derek Henry, RB6 per game, Travion Henderson, RB7 per game, where Travian Henderson had three games with 28 or more PBR fantasy points. And Ramandre Stevenson, RR. RV 8 per game.

So that was a little weird. But if we just focus on Henry versus Chase Brown, you know, he got off to a slow start, tough competition, had a couple of fumbles earlier in the year. Lamar Jackson missed a couple games and Henry wasn't great. But in his last eight games, Derek Henry was on pace for 338 carries, almost 1,900 yards, 21 touchdowns,

5.6 yards per carry. He looked like Derek Henry. So who do you go with Henry or Chase Brown next year? I youth has always served in fantasy and as great as Derek Henry was to finish last season, Chase Brown is who I'd take first. And I don't know if it's going to be necessarily by two rounds or anything like that, but give me the younger back. He's 26 years old.

So he figures to be the feature guy for Cincinnati. Absolutely love that workload that he got in the second half of the year from week nine on. What was it? 19.9 touches per game. It's pretty damn good. That's right around the wheelhouse of Derek. anyway, and we know that Chase Brown will catch passes on top of it. In fact, he was fifth among running backs and targets per game on the season.

I'll take that over Derek Henry, older guy. Maybe this is the time, Jamie, where you say it and that you want to bet against him because he is starting to just get to that age where you know things can happen. And we saw it a little bit in the beginning of the year from Baltimore where they did try taking some work away from him. He didn't have a lot of games with 20 touches that changed towards the end of the year. He had a bunch of touchdowns at the end of the year. touchdown game in week 17.

I still feel like Chase Brown. The catch is certainly in his favor. Still has a big role and a high-powered Cincinnati offense. I'd rather take that. All right. I would agree. I think the thing with Henry is it's the same conversation, at least the same sentiment for me that we had at the end of Tennessee

and through the Baltimore tenure. When they are winning games, you're going to feel really good about him. When they're competitive games, you're going to feel good about him. When they're chasing points, it's probably going to be tough to say Derek Henry is a must-star guy. So if you believe in Jesse Minter and you believe in this new system and new regime, because it's different.

First time in almost 20 years, it is different. Then I think you still feel Derek Henry has the chance to be in a top 12 conversation, in the top 10 conversation could still be among the league leaders in rushing touchdowns and maybe even challenged to be one of the best rushers in terms of leading the league in rushing yards because he's always going to be in that conversation if he's right. but again at some point he's going to suffer from father time and hopefully it's not an injury situation so I think you should be chasing Chase Brown first

or drafting Chase Brown first but I wouldn't forget about Derek Kennedy I don't think they should be that far apart I think there's about five or six running backs in between Metposts Let's look at our wide receivers who excelled down the stretch Well I mean we should probably talk about the Patriots guys I mean we should but we had a little bit like a 15 minute detour from the show I would okay I mean

what's to say about him? I mean, it is pretty interesting that they both were top eight. There was injuries were... There's a lot of fight games, though, for Trevian. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, let's do a little bit of looking back on history. There were a bunch of games where Ramandre didn't play.

Not a bunch. Travion Henderson had some huge runs. Yeah, but those are the games that push Trevion's average up and made him the RB7. And then it was Ramandre's last three games of the regular season where he, he was doing things that he had never done before in his career that put him eighth on this list. But I don't know if either one of them can even be top 12 in fantasy points per game next year if they're going to continue sharing the ball like we expect them to in 2026.

Yeah. I just don't, so far from what we've seen, the gap between these two guys, it was a little closer in the last draft. But the gap that we see, to me, it's a little hard to justify right now. It was a full round almost. See if you can fix your mic settings. I think they got messed up in the excitement. All right, let's go to wide receivers now.

So from weeks 8 through 10, Chris Olave, average 20.2 PPR fantasy points per game. Chris Olave was wide receiver 3 per game from weeks. Did I say weeks 8 through 10? Weeks 10 through 18. Sorry. That'll work. Weeks 10 through 18.

Chris Olave was wide receiver 3 per game. Only Puka. and JSN average more points per game than OLAV. OLAVe, by the way, missed week 18. James and Williams was wide receiver 11 per game, but I forgot Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson was wide receiver 4 per game. So again, weeks 10 through 18, OLAVe,

wide receiver 3, Michael Wilson, wide receiver 4, James and Williams wide receiver 11. Dave, how do you draft those three? By clicking the draft button in my fantasy room. And I'm going to click the button first easily for Chris Olivae, who, listen, wide receiver three that shows us that he's got that type of upside. And we've been waiting for that. And we've seen flashes of that.

And could it really be that just the combination of Tyler Shuck adapting to the NFL game sooner than expected. And then in eight games with Shuck, we're talking about 9.1 targets per game for Chris Olive, kind of a high ADOT at him. It was 14 yards there. He had six touchdowns in the eight games, averaged almost 19 ppr points in those eight games. If you tell fantasy managers right now that that's what it's going to be in New Orleans next year. And all you've really got to worry about with Oliva's injuries, which is kind of a big thing to worry about, then I would say he's going to get drafted a lot sooner than a top 10 wide receiver. But I don't know if it's going to stay this way.

I'm sure the Saints are going to add something. Remember, in the second half of the year, no Rashid Shaheed for much of that season. They figure to add something to help make their offense pop their run game certainly could. stand to get a lot better than where it was. And we'll see how Shuck does in his second year. And I think that's all kind of baked into Chris Olavé still as a top 10 fantasy receiver. Where was he taken in our most recent mock draft?

It's a great question. I'm looking right now. Round three. I got it. Round three. Tedrole of McMillan, Chris Olave. Back to back.

I see. Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Round three. Few picks after Bucky. I would take him over Tedoroa McMillan pretty easily right now. And I think I might take him over Nico Collins. So who's next?

Because I still think he's going to have. I don't know about 9.1 targets per game, but pretty close to that. He's still going to be the lead dog in that passing game. He's awesome when he's getting that kind of volume. Well, okay. You know, in the first, what was that? So, Olave, let me see the splits here. First nine games for Olavee.

He was getting a lot of targets. Yeah, oh yeah. He was on pace for 164 targets. And he wasn't really doing that well on pace for 100. 104 catches, 159 yards, six touchdowns, 26.4% target share. That's still really good in PPR. It's just not like top five good. Right. It's usable because of the catches, but it's not good on a per catch basis, per target basis, not even close. Last 10 games, or last seven games, he was on pace for 168 targets compared to 164 targets in his first nine games.

But he was on pace for about 400 more yards and nine more touchdowns. So this was two things. One, this stretch was as soon as Rashid Shahi had traded. But also it coincided with Tyler Shuck taking over. But not the entire time. Some of that first sample size, about a game and a half, was Tyler Shuck. But you could clearly say the A-DOT went up, as you mentioned. The chemistry with Tyler Shuck just appeared to be better.

Their offense was better with Tyler Shuck. Believe it or not, Chris Olave averaged career lows in yards per target, yards per route run, yards per catch, A-Dot, yak, and explosive play. The only thing, it wasn't like so much worse, which was just like a little bit worse. The only thing that really changed for him were the targets. And he finally scored some touchdowns down the stretch. He's got six of eight touchdown passes from Tyler Shuck from weeks 10th.

It wasn't the only thing, though. He stayed healthy. Well, yeah. That's a pretty big thing. Now, Wilson versus JMO. Is that even a debate? Is it easy JMO this coming up this year? I don't know if it's easy, JMO.

I mean, you have a change in coordinator for the line. that is very tight-end friendly, as we've discussed quite a bit over the last couple of weeks. And so if someone is going to lose of the big three pass catchers for Detroit, to me it feels like Jameson is going to lose a little bit more so than Amara St. Brown's going to lose just based on what they've done throughout the course of their careers. So I'm hoping it's not too much of a falloff for JMO. But obviously the situation you have to keep an eye on in Arizona is with a coaching change and we don't know what the quarterback situation is going to be.

Michael Wilson has performed much better and looked much better and done things as a wide receiver much better than Marvin Harrison Jr. has so far. Now, I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare what the production was because when Harrison was there, and I'm not talking about what they did when they were together, because obviously Michael Wilson was overshadowed by Harrison. But just the type of targets in the way that Marvin Harrison was starting to look and build up to when he had a pocket passer.

And Jacoby Brissette and Harrison just did not get the time together. that I think would have made people feel a lot different about what Marvin Harrison could be because we saw that Tampa game for a half. We saw the Colts game from the targets perspective. You know, the first couple of opportunities these two guys were together. It was feature Marvin Harrison and feature him to a huge degree. And so what Michael Wilson did at the end of the season, if that's Marvin Harrison, my guess is we're talking about a top 10 type wide receiver here. So I think Michael Wilson, if he steps into a bigger role than what he had when everybody was together, meaning Harrison and and Trey McBride in the last two years,

Wilson can still be a superstar caliber player, but I think he goes back to being the third option. I hope not a distant third option, because there's still a lot to like about what Michael Wilson's game could be. But if it's preset in a LaFleur run offense or this McVeigh, San Francisco tree that we always see and has success, there could be opportunities for Wilson to still be successful, but I'm still drafting Jamest & Williams first with the hope of Dan Campbell

taking overplay calling. that influence still on Chris petting, and we'll see how this all sort of, you know, Drew, Drew, Drew. He does. It's a running gag. I think just in the setup, James and Williams still should be better. Super, super small sample size,

probably too small to even take seriously. You know, Marvin Harrison got hurt in week 10, I think. He missed weeks 11 and 12, and that's when Michael Wilson erupted. And then he played a little bit. He played 61% in the snaps in week 13, 51% in week 16, 33% in week 17. So three partial games for Marvin Harrison.

If you look at the snaps on which Marvin Harrison Jr. was on the field in weeks 13, 16, and 17 after this little breakout from Michael Wilson. And look at the targets that the three guys got, Harrison, Wilson, and McBride, all had 10 or 11 targets. I wish it was more of a sample size, but it was basically all had about a 21% target share,

which would be horrible. To that end, what, I don't think there's anything that's going to stop the new coaching staff in Arizona from just getting the ball to the best players, because they don't have the same type of commitment to Marvin Harrison that the prior coaching staff did. Right.

The prior coaching staff wanted to make Marvin Harrison a thing. And if I'm Michael Flore, and I get to Arizona and I watch what Michael Wilson's done and go back and watch his highlights, they're amazing. I want that guy involved. And I don't think he'll ever get to the point where he's far and away, the number one target getter there. I think that's still going to be Trey McBride. But if Marvin Harrison can't be utilized better or start to play better, I wouldn't be shocked

if by late September, early October, Michael Wilson was consistently earning more targets. I like the idea of drafting him as long as the value. was right, hoping that he does get that opportunity to start seeing seven plus targets per game again. It just felt like he went in the middle. Michael Wilson felt went in the middle of round seven just before Tyreek Hill, before Mike Evans, Alec Pierce. So we're not looking at necessarily sure things at wide receiver. But to have all three of those guys go in the first seven rounds, remember, they led the NFL and pass attempts last year. They had the one of the worst run games. They had the fewest running back carries in the NFL last year.

It's going to, I don't know, that's not the offense I necessarily want to hitch my wagon to with, with three guys in the top seven rounds. And Jacoby Percette. I mean, that very realistically could be their quarterback. So while he was great last year, like, to Dave's point, we were, you know, bringing it up. like, he started to fade because teams figured out who he is, what he does, you know, even though he's been around forever, you know, you start to see what he looks like in this offense.

And it's easy to, you know, find ways to make him all. uncomfortable and then you start to see the flaws. Jamo's tough. He's a guy that is probably going to be pretty efficient because he's such a big playmaker, but he's one of the guys I think that has a lot less value, maybe a round less in full PPR than he would in non or half PPR. It's just not going to get that many targets. He's not going to get that many catches.

In his last 10 games, weeks 9 through 18, he was on pace for 122 targets, which is great. But Jared Gough was throwing 37 and a half passes per game. That's only a 20.3% target share in that really good stretch, weeks 9 through 18 for Jameson Williams. It did bump up to a 23% target share in his last six games. But remember, Sam Leporta missed all of that. It went, you know, in the first seven games of the year, James was terrible.

He was dropped in some leagues. Sam Leporta had more targets than him. It had six more targets than Jamo. And I'm pretty sure even in Jamo's awesome stretch to end the 2024 season, I think Leporta had more targets than him there. at least it was close. So, you know, unless they have a terrible defense, again, because they keep getting hurt,

which is probably not going to happen, and they're throwing more than 35 times a game. I don't know that we're going to get 110 targets for JMO guys. So I've kind of cooled off. He was definitely someone I was targeting. I think I'm waiting until round seven for Jameson Williams in full PPR. I don't know how you guys feel. He went in round five, so I'm way off if that's his value.

I went the first pick of round five in the draft we did. Yeah, I don't think you're getting him in round seven. You know, we'll see with the rookie class and free agency and all those things that change. I was just thinking when you were talking about, you know, just some of the ways that he produces, like you start to think about the high-end second receivers in the NFL, you know, so like T. Hagan is George Pickens, you know, Jameson Williams, those type of guys. Like, he's not going to get the amount of targets those guys do. But he could score touchdowns like those guys do.

You know, and I think that's the plus for him is that if you can figure, or anticipate, you know, if you want to predict that he's going to be eight plus touchdowns, maybe 10 plus touchdowns in an efficient offense that's still going to be very explosive, even with Mike Petzick, you know, so I think there's, you know, chances for him to still be dominant. But again, like, you know, when you start to, you know, break it down, again, St. Brown should still be a stud. If Leporta takes a huge leap, then that's going to impact everybody. But I think it impacts James's targets, probably.

more so than anyone else. And if he just takes a moderate leap, then hopefully all three guys can be successful. But, you know, the Detroit offense, you know, you've done a good job of, you know, looking at this Adam is, you know, 2024. We know all the injuries after Hutchinson, you know, post-Hutchinson, 2025 is really a secondary falling apart.

There's no guarantees that they're going to have a great defense. You know, you anticipate them probably having a better defense. And so how much does that sort of, you know, limit the production? I also think, like, we don't talk about this enough. Like, their run game really started a struggle in the second half of the season, too. You know, Jamir Gibbs still produced as a fantasy option, but, like, it wasn't they were, they weren't very successful as a rushing attack

by comparison to where they've been in the Dan Campbell era when both Montgomery and Gibbs were at their best. So I think that factored into the passing game also. So I think there's still great value for Williams. I agree. I wouldn't want to reach for him. But I think round five is a pretty good spot to start to take a chance on somebody like him, because if he's, if he's anything close to what we saw in the second half of the season,

you're getting a bargain. Yeah. Yeah, I think round seven's too late. You know, looking at the wide receiver, looking at the players going in these rounds. There's just like no good wide receivers right now. It looks that way because we're always basing it off last year's production. So, no, round seven's too late.

You know it's going to change a ton five months from now. Yeah, of course. I would have taken Cortland Sutton over him. I would have taken Terry McLaurin over him. I would have taken D.K. Metcalfe over him. Maybe not Metcalf, but definitely the other guys. All right, let's go to the tight ends. And all right, from weeks 8 through 10, who were the good tight ends?

Kyle Pitts was tight end three per game. Colby Parkinson was tight end four per game. He had eight touchdowns in that stretch. And Joanne Johnson was tight end eight per game. He was just behind Harold Fanon Jr. and Colston Loveland. So Dave, Kyle Pitts was tight end three from weeks eight through 10. Keep doing that, 8 through 10, 10 through 18.

Kyle Pitts was tight end three per game. Kobe Parkinson, tight end, four per game. Joanne Johnson, tight end, eight per game. Again, no Rashid Shaheed in this stretch. Your thoughts on how excited you are. I know the way you draft them. But just your thoughts on these three guys, Pitts, Parkinson, Johnson. I don't really want to draft them unless they're with late round picks.

That won't be the case with Pitts. That will be the case with Parkinson and Johnson. And with Parkinson, I already know that it's going to be a crowded tight end room in L.A. again next year, even if Tyler Higbee isn't there. The splits are very necessary to say about pits. The pits splits are very necessary. Five games without Drake London, he averaged 19 ppr points per game, 8.8 targets per game.

12 games with Drake London, 9.6 ppr points per game, 6.2 targets per game. Do not take Kyle Pitts with a meaningful pick if you're expecting 9.6 ppr points per game and 6.2 targets per game. that's okay for a tight end, but I feel like we can find tight ends that can deliver that in close to, if not well into the double digit rounds. And with Joanne Johnson, all it's going to take is one other notable receiver joining New Orleans. And it's going to be curtains for him being even close to six targets per game, which I think is what he was almost at in those same games where Shuck started.

Same split that I took with Olavé. I can take that with Joanne Johnson too. and I think in those games it was 11.5 PPR points per game and 5.6 targets per game and only two scores. Kind of felt like the first half of his year was better than the second half. Well, Jamie, can we have optimism about any of these guys, Kyle Pitts, Kobe Parkinson, Jouan Johnson? Pitts for sure. I mean, look, there's obvious flaws. We know what his career has been.

But now you have a very tight-end friendly coach in Kevin Stefanski in Atlanta. Now, if he's got to stay in Atlanta, he's a free agent. You're hearing maybe franchise tag is a possibility. If he goes to a team that's tight-end friendly, then there's going to be a lot to like about Kyle Pitt still. But obviously, he's had a great rookie season. He had some flashes throughout the last several years, and then he pops off this season in a contract year.

So if he gets paid, are you worried about that motivation maybe being gone? So I think we kind of know who the top six. six tight ends are going to be in whatever order of McBride, Bowers, Loveland, Fanon, Kraft, Laporta. After that, it feels like there's going to be a wide range of, unless I'm missing somebody, but a wide range of guys that are going to be in that mix of seven through 12 where I think Kyle Pitts belongs. Now, again, team is going to matter here. But if Stefansky and the Falcons, Matt Ryan, et cetera, prioritize Kyle Pitts and keeping him there and they don't add another wide receiver so it's darnall mooney again then i think

is worth is worth drafting on the expectation of him delivering as a top 10 tight end because of what the offense will be now quarterback will matter too um because all of his production second half the season came with kirk cousins versus michael pennix when we know pennix was very high on him uh based on the preseason and and the things that they said but i do think that pits is in a different category than these other two guys like joan johnson's the perfect The perfect eye-wift, I'm going to take Joanne Johnson and whatever young tight end that we may talk about draft-wise. Sadiq, Kenyon Sadiq. Well, I wasn't necessarily going to attach to a rookie, but yes, he'd be the one.

But I think if you're looking at like a gunner helm, a Terrence Ferguson, you know, one of these guys that's going to get a chance to maybe be featured but not necessarily dominant, at least going into the season. Ben Sennett, you know, one of these type of guys that may get starting opportunities. I think Joe Wahn Johnson will still be okay, even if the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, I, I think, as Dave said, you know,

there's going to be a lot of tight ends in, in Los Angeles for the Rams, and a lot of his production came in the stretch of games that Devante Adams was out also. Question for you guys. Remember the game Kyle Pitts had against Tampa Bay? Three touchdown. Which one?

The three touchdown game. Yeah. I think it was a Thursday night. Remember the three touchdown game, Brock Bowers had against Jackson? Who scored more PPR fantasy points in their three touchdown game? Kyle Pitts or Brock Bowers? I think it was Pitt.

It was Pitts. 43.3 for Bowers, 45.6 for Kyle Pitts. 11 catches, 166 yards, three touchdowns on 12 targets. Wow. Some game. It was a huge game. It was a very important game in the NFC. South.

Great division. Okay, that's going to do it for today's show. Hall of Famers, because you guys. Thank you again. That was awesome. Yeah. Dave did a lot of work to put all that together. So Hall of Fame effort there by Dave Richard.

Yes. I had some help. And I hadn't seen the video. I was really cool to see these. I didn't even know who those people were and I was like getting emotional. It was really cool. I knew. We have family members.

You know, Dave did a great job there reaching out. I'm sure my wife helped them a little bit. just a little you know my uh you saw two of my cousins who you know you've probably seen some points in their careers jesse was there and hallie was there um hallie's husband uh part of the group that started the players tribune so he's had his hand in some sports really um yep yep uh also um owns a soccer team in part owner of soccer team in um i forgot the league that they're in uh ac bornma and uh and uh in the day

Davis Cup. So he's got his hands on sports ventures. And a lot of the great hosts that we worked with and colleagues that we worked with, Lauren Shahati was there. Jason Horace was there. Nathan Zagirro was there. Some guy Nando Defina. You might have heard from him.

I'm seeing him this weekend. I'm sorry, what? I'm seeing him hanging out with him this weekend. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, that was really cool. Thank you, Dave. And everybody. Yeah. Sure thing. Well, it's a pleasure to work with these two guys for sure. And also, I think what I didn't get to say, the best part of that video was that, like, Schaefer definitely had to just cut off Dan mid-sentence there.

Dan was just going. Like, he was going from one thought to another. Like, great job, Jamie, you're so hard working. Then he gets into our text chain. What is it, why is to start about the text chain? Then trolling me and Dan, like what? And then Schaefer was just like, that's enough. We got to get to the next guy.

I love it. I can't wait to watch it again, you know, because it was like a lot of. to take care. Yeah. But I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Have a great day, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

I'll finish football.