Fantasy Football Today - Beyond the Box Score: Broncos-Commanders, Bucs Offense, Justin Jefferson, Javonte Williams and More (12/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

An overtime thriller in Washington! We react to that awesome game (3:00) with our thoughts on the Broncos and Commanders offenses going forward and how pumped we are about Terry McLaurin. Are we equally pumped about RJ Harvey? Chris Rodriguez? ... Snap count notes (15:00) on Khalil Shakir, plus what to make of the Chargers offense in Week 13. Then we tell you about running back workloads (18:50) in Cincinnati, Chicago and Jacksonville and wide receiver/tight end route participation (26:40) and other notes. Also, what's going on with the Bucs passing game (35:55)? ... Bonus Fantasy Cops (39:30) and then Buy or Sell (42:15) on Justin Jefferson, the Chargers backfield and Bucky Irving/Javonte Williams/Rico Dowdle ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. This is going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Hey, what's up, everybody?

It is Monday. It's December. Holy moly. Almost at the end of this season, December 1st. And it's fantasy football today. presented by FedMGM, make it legendary. We're going to make it legendary on Beyond the Box Court today. Adam Azer, Dan Schneier, and Jacob Gibbs, such a lousy Sunday of football.

And then you give us Denver and Washington and totally redeem yourself. Dan doesn't get that reference. What is it from? Jacob, want to help him out? It's really familiar, but I'm not placing it right now. I can't. I just, you know what? Not even going to tell you guys.

I'm going to let you guys live in shame for that. the next hour. Did you forget to shave this morning, Adam? I didn't, I didn't, I didn't shave. I didn't forget to, I never seen you with this, like, yes, you have. Post 5 o'clock shadow with the, the greys are coming in. Thanks, Dan.

That's just kidding, buddy. You're stressed. It's the middle of football season. Yeah, I'm not stressed. I'm just gray. I'm almost 42, I'm 41 and a half. All right, let's go. So today we're going to talk about, I think we have to talk about Justin

Jefferson, just because. And Rico Dowdell, Bucky Irving, Giovante Williams, the Chargers backfield. And, obviously, Washington and Denver. I want to talk about the Buck's offense.

We'll see if the Raiders did anything new with their new offensive coordinator. But let's go to Denver 27 and Washington 26. And really exciting game came down to a two-point conversion in overtime. Welcome back, Terry McLaurin. He scored over 20 fantasy points. Start of the week, R.J. Harvey had two touchdowns. Jacob, big fantasy takeaway from this game.

Hmm. Yeah, you love the red zone work for Harvey. I thought I've been tracking their quotes on him pretty closely because I've been nervous about the McLaughlin touchdown right before the buy. Came in short yardage situation. But the team has talked about how, like, stout he is up the middle and that they really like him in those situations. so I was glad to see him get those, get on the field for those plays. Because at times it's looked like they prefer the veteran there. But 50% of the snaps for Harvey in the red zone compared to 8% snap rate for McLaughlin in the red zone. He got four carries and did score. I would like to see him on the field more, you know, 46% snap rate overall makes me wonder if this, you know, 21 points is really that sustainable. Which, by the way, I think this was like the, I think I saw.

as I was looking at the beginning of stats earlier, that was like the third highest score in all fantasy this week? Yeah. Can that possibly be right at any position, 21 points? No, that's got to be maybe. No, it's not even close. Maybe for Sunday. But Thursday, we had some high scoring guys.

You know, JMO went off and, um, well, I'm taking a look right now and let's filter out all the quarterbacks real quick because that doesn't count, right? All right. It's not. It's the 22nd highest score. I don't know what. That was. I was like, that's not right.

All right. All right. Yeah, our highest scoring non-quarterbacks were A.J. Brown, Bejohn Robinson, Rishie Rice, Jameson, William, Dantavian Wicks, C.D. Lamb. So of the top six, five of them were on Thursday. So it does feel like, you know, he had a standout game. And he was fine, RJ Harvey Harvey. But I'll just say this, right? Like, we can, I don't know if we need to get into every single player.

The Denver Broncos scored 27 points in overtime. against Washington. The last seven opponents against Washington in regulation, including Denver, have scored 25, 44, 24, 28, 38, 44, 13, and 20 points. Denver averaged the fewest yards per play of any of those seven, tied with Miami, which was the last two games for Washington. So maybe you think Washington's defense is getting better. My takeaway from this game was I did not come away feeling more confident about my Broncos after this game. I wanted them to go in here. I wanted them to go in here and roll and look good and it just didn't look good to me it wasn't easy and like they play Las Vegas next week which is favorable but Green Bay Jacksonville at Kansas City you could argue two of

their next four matchups are tough I don't have a ton of faith in I mean the Broncos offense is good but it's it's not like there's no must start to me Harvey be the closest one I think the Corlin Sutton usage is probably a takeaway. It's, you know, first came out of the buy, and we'd seen like five straight games of him getting out targeted by Troy Franklin, but the offense wasn't working all that great. It was pretty clunky, I feel like, even in those five games, even though they're winning.

But we've seen the offense work pretty well with Sutton being the primary read in the past, and so that's kind of what we saw here. Of course, Evan Ingram was the emphasis, because it's like Bobby Wagner just, like, you've got to attack that match before. over and over if they're going to give that to you, especially if we saw him locking on Ingram. But Sutton did out target Franklin and Franklin.

Honestly, Pat Bryant was more involved than Frank. Right, that's the thing. Like, you can be encouraged by Sutton, but he only had six targets and Bo Nix through 45 passes. So this is a guy that I talked about this on Friday, where he ranks in target per out run rate, there are the only wide receiver that we consider a must start that had a lower target per out run rate than Sutton was T. Higgins.

He just doesn't get targeted that much. It continues here. All right, that's enough about the Broncos. I don't know if I even consider them, A, a good offense, or him to be a must-start player. They've got Jags, Chiefs, and there was one more tough. Packers down the stretch run. Yeah, I don't know how tough the Jaguars are, but it's not the commanders. Right, it's not the commanders.

But we did, I mean, the most encouraging thing here is McLauran, right? As he comes out, now, listen, Mariotta threw 50 passes was terrific. but McLaurin, seven catches, 96 yards, and a touchdown, 14 targets. Saw a lot of Patrick Sertan, obviously boosted by overtime, but still had a big game, and he only ran 42.4% of the, oh, no, sorry, that was his target per route run rate. But he played, well, he played like, what's a 60% route rate? Okay, yeah, right. So not even a full-time player last night.

So, Dan, are you fired up? Because we could get, we could get Jane Daniels next week. Right. Are you fired up for McLaren? Yeah, for sure. We've got Giants down the stretch run. We've got some decent matchups from McLaurin that I think he could exploit. He looked really good out there, honestly, from just a route running standpoint, understand.

Like, I thought Collinsworth did a great job breaking down how he really does a great job of understanding what coverage defense is playing and where to be within that coverage. And he catches everything basically thrown his way, the exception of a few somewhat off target throws. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not excited about him like winning a league down the stretch run, but he could certainly be a player in this current fan. fantasy environment that is not only a must-start player, but bordering wide receiver one in my mind with if jading returns. 31% target share. So like it was boosted by the fact there were a ton of targets overall, but like 31% target share.

He's only hit that mark six times over the past three years. Right. I don't know what to make of Earths. I mean, it was a great game for him, but probably like Earths and Ingram, you need eight points. You're probably going to get that most weeks from them. They just usually don't have a lot of upside. This was a weird game for them. But Debo, to me, just.

looks oh so slow it looks like he's jogging out there i mean i watched all of his routes he mean that last one he had the 30 something yard catch 38 yard catch set up first and goal riley moss just stopped you know i think moss may have been gassed at that point but he's not having a great year riley moss but i don't know man debo just there's very little dynamic stuff there for him i don't have a i don't have a ton of faith in him going forward personally you want dynamics you go to trailing berks what did you say I said, you want dynamic. You go to Traylin Berks.

We're back. Yes. Traylin Berks with one of the best catches of the year. Sick catch. That was a sick catch. He's an interesting player as we move forward for Dynasty. Is he? To me.

Because Debo's not going to be back there. Another takeaway that maybe goes under the radar is Chris Rodriguez. Like out of the buy, what is it going to be Bill? Really wasn't hardly any bill. And it was pretty much primarily him. It was like 80%. Rodriguez in the first quarter. 62% Rodriguez in the first half

as the game got away from they went to more McNichols and McNichols always seems to play well when given opportunities but I thought Rodriguez looked good again he did you know only 11 carries and again zero catches so I don't think he'll ever have more than

he's probably not going to have more than one catch he needs to have the 15 carries he had three weeks ago at Miami and not the 11 that he had this game and the 12, 6, 15, 11 but you know what he's playing well and it's good to have a starting running back on your team I think that'll pretty much do it for Washington and Denver

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pack is your ticket to unforgettable moments this season. Don't wait on the sidelines. Join the action with bet MGM. All right. Let's go through the news and notes here real quick. We've got Justin Herbert with the broken hand.

Hoping to play next week. It's a Monday game against Philadelphia. He's, I guess I shouldn't say he's expecting to play, but he's acting as if he's going to play. Shooter of Sanders is going to start again. We have Aaron Jones with the shoulder injury, Dylan Samson with a calf. I'm on Ross St. Brown ankle sprain.

Doesn't seem to be a super long-term thing. Parker Washington hip injury, Marvin Harrison Jr. heel injury. A lot of offensive line injuries. The Chiefs, the Vikings are particularly banged up right now. On defense, the Cowboys have a couple of defensive back injuries. The Packers lost a defensive lineman probably for this season. The Texans lost the safety.

Steelers have a couple of injuries to keep an eye on. And that's about it. All right, you know what? We're flying through this show here. First of all, I've been told I look like I'm on a bender, which is not good. Not good. I didn't think I looked that unpresentable today, but apparently I do. I definitely need a shower.

You need a shower. Yeah, you can use a shower. Not going to lie. Just as a friend to friend. Yeah, I know. I don't really, let's see. Thursday, I went to pick up the food. Okay.

For Thanksgiving. I don't think. You didn't cook. You just picked up food? Yeah, we ordered some cooked and picked up. Good for you. Respect. Never cooking again.

Never. That was too good. It was so good. And it was so great to not cook. Yeah. I don't think I left the house since Wednesday. That's awesome. No, it's not.

It's not at all. I went outside. I took the garbage out on Friday. I feel like I must have left once. I brought the garbage in. Oh, I played tennis. I forgot. I played tennis on Saturday.

Oh, nice. How'd it go? Oh, horrible. Horrible. Just got the street. Again, I played the same guy

who kicked the crap out of me last time. He's really good. And I just, yeah. You have no answer for his game? No answer. My brother got four. I played tennis this weekend, too, with my brother. He got four games off me in one of this, the second set.

Same thing that happened against you, dude. I'm just like lost. Yeah, it's the most he's ever gone. I like, he's in such good shape and I'm in such horrific shape. I don't look like I should be in bad shape, but I'm in so much worse shape than I look. You do though. Yeah. I don't know what it is.

He's like, you got to change your diet, man. You got to do this and this and this. And I'm like, I'm not going to do any of that stuff. I don't think. So I'm just going to keep getting winded in second sets and just like, it wasn't even the same. It's like player one in the first set, player two in the second set. It's not, I have figured out because I can't lose. Are we blaming the butter?

Yeah, I was about to say, you putting up. Water and your coffee, but you're surprised. The butter in the coffee is actually better for you than you'd imagine. Oh, yeah. It's just bad. There's no carbs in it and you burn it off. But it's the late night junk food that I eat every single, like almost everything. It's just, it's not a good setup.

I need to get control of this. I need to start doing some like H-I-I-T workouts, whatever those are called. I just can't have these second sets like this one. Let's make a pack, you and me. After no, no eating after 9 p.m. I would love to do that. I just think that I'll break that pack within one day. No, let's try it because I'll, yeah, I would too.

But if you can do it, then I can do it. The difference is like you are at home after 9 p.m., which I can control. I don't eat like crap at home. I'm not saying you can control that. I'm just saying for me, that's not my issue. I play in some poker games at some nights. And then I eat like crap in those games. They're all catered and blah, blah, blah.

You got a lot of vices, Dan. You need to change my lifestyle, yeah. I have a lot of vices. I wanted to read a quote from the AP recap of Buffalo Pittsburgh. It said, quote, the swirling wins at one of the league's trickiest venues made passing nearly impossible for both teams. So keep that in mind.

Khalil Shakir had a horrible game. Here's another trend I've noticed with Khalil Shakir. He played 49% of the snaps. If you look at Khalil Shik, you know what? I'm not even going to tell you. I'm going to show you in a minute here. But Khalil Shakir, I'll come back to that because it's so cool. Justin Herbert.

He, 40% of his throws were under two and a half seconds. That's down quite a bit from the previous two weeks. His deep ball rate was up. They actually looked like a normal offense. He wasn't great. He threw an interception in the end zone. One play after coming up a yard or two short of a touchdown. So the stats could have been better.

Herbert missed some time with the hand injury, threw only 20 passes. But I think it was at least good to see the Chargers offense looked like a functional offense. Now we just have to see how it looks with the hand injury. that's against the Raiders defense though yeah it was yeah uh they have who do they have next week oh the eagles yeah so it's there were definitely a few few reps where i pipkins definitely held crosby coming around they just don't they're not going to call

every hold but it is what it is i i feel more concerned on that offense i feel more concerned about jacob and i's boy ronda gadsden i i mean the involvement is just so down from where it was when he debuted with those two breakout weeks yeah i feel concerned about everyone and maybe even and Marion Hampton we'll talk about. All right. I'm going to show this Khalil Shakir thing and then we're going to take a break. But this is Khalil Shakir's snap share.

Let me zoom in a little bit more here. I never know how much to zoom. Too much? Get out of here, video. All right. Well, anyway, I'm botching this. See his snapshot there? And see the score?

When they blow opponents out, he plays 50% of the snaps. He does almost nothing. So Khalil Shakir, they're facing the Bengals, then the Patriots next two weeks. Those should be nice, competitive games. They got Cleveland after that, that's probably a blowout, and Philadelphia. I think Bengals, Patriots, and Eagles, and three of their next four games, you should have some competitive games.

You should have more snaps, more pass attempts, more targets for Khalil Shakir. You hope. Yeah. All right, guys, we take a quick break. We'll let Jacob talk when we come back. What's good, y'all? It's Vaughn Miller, Super Bowl MVP, Sagmaster, and now your host of Free Range.

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Listen and follow Free Range with me, Von Miller, wherever you get your podcast Jacob, what stood out to you in terms of anything? Life. Got a lot of, yeah, got a lot of snap notes. We'll start with some of the Thursday stuff.

So, Kaplanonga, I think, continues to earn a bigger role for Chicago, especially in short, yardage situations. So we had a 60% red zone snap rate on Thursday's game. Four or five running back touches in the red zone,

finishes with 22 runs for 130 yards in a touchdown. The Eagles had not allowed a 100-yard rusher on the year. Some run games have been able to get after the Eagles on the ground, but not like this. And so I just want to point all of that out. This Bears offense has just been so freaking good with the ground game. And of course, that's been all over Twitter since Thursday, lots of fun, Ben Johnson, clippable plays to share, but it's like, as you look forward to the rest of this season, I don't really see why this is going to change or who's going to slow this down.

And so I feel pretty good about both of these guys. And Monagai has been the one who's been getting the short yardage work, the red zone work. And so if this keeps being high-scoring offense, I think he's a decent flex-ply on his own. And again, if something is the, we're to happen to SWIF, then we're looking at like a top-eight, top-10, top-12 type of fantasy running back. for the Bengals in the Thursday I game I thought it was interesting how involved Samajai Pryne is

was we still got a lot of Chase Brown a lot of targets and everything so it was basically kind of what we've been getting but some of the underlying stuff wasn't quite as good 59% snap rate for Chase Brown to 41% for Pyrine there were a lot of runs for Pyrine which was weird to me and it wasn't just the second half of this weird

blowout game six runs for Chase Brown to for P-Rine in the first half. So are you guys worried about that one at all? I don't think I've heard anyone to talk about this. Yeah, I worried, yeah. I mean, I think, look, we liked Chase Brown because Joe Burrow was going to kind of make this offense great.

And Brown, I think, I think Brown's going to mostly work near the goal line. They'll mix P-Rine in a little bit, especially on third down. Third down is P. Rind's down. But, yeah, it's like Chase Brown, if P. Ryan were out, I think Chase Brown could be a top five running back rest of season. With P. Ryan in, I still think top 12 with Burrow and P. Ryan. That's about right. Because last season, when he did kind of break out down the stretch and he was a lot of ways a league winner for a lot of teams, it was with the injuries at running back.

And it was with that, you know, no P. Ryan stealing some of the touches, stealing the third down work. So top 12 seems fair to me down the stretch run for sure with Burrow back. I only say top 12 because they're almost every freaking running back now is dealing with something, someone. Yeah, right? Right. So I think it's the catches are going to make or break it for Chase Brown. But also, I'm guessing over his last six games, he's probably averaging close to five yards per carry. I don't know, just off the top of my head.

He has been so efficient. I think their lines playing really well, actually. And I don't know. I think Arrow's pointing up in general for the Bengals offense now, and he'll benefit from that. But certainly he'll be affected by P. Ryan. All right. Speaking of, you know, pretty much everybody, every running back is dealing with it. Travis ETN, we saw

Basial Tudin maybe a little bit healthier in his second game after that ankle sprain continued to cut into the work, especially in the red zone. This is kind of like the Swift Menongai thing, so 47% snap rate for ETN to 32% for Tudin,

12 runs for ETN to 8 for Tudin, but Tudin had 50% of the red zone snaps and he had three touches in the red zone to zero for ETN they came on two different drives the second one so the first one came after a big play from chikobi meyer so that could have just been the fact that he was in the game already but the second one he tutin specifically came in for short yardage reps and then stayed on the field and capped it off with a touchdown so that is a problem i think for etienne i don't know if

tootan is necessarily going to take a larger role um but they didn't run very much or very effectively this game. And so that I left ETN managers with basically nothing. Yeah, one of the busts of the week. Yep. And he'd been playing so well. It sucks. I don't get it. Stop, stop with the committees, everyone. Just stop. Quick breaking news to get in. Todd Bulls said it's a possibility Mike Evans could return to practice this week. I did not see that coming this early. That could be really nice for fantasy managers. For Kansas City, Isaiah. Sorry, go ahead. Isaiah Pacheco returned 27% snap rate, only three of 17 running back runs. The other 14 of a percent, we got a 67% snap rate.

Pacheco might get more involved. I thought he gave them a couple of big plays, so we'll see. But it was pretty much all Kareem Hunt. For the Saints, Devin Neal, making a start for Alvin Camara, had an 81% snap rate and 71% route rate. So those are both really, really strong. It's on the Saints. Maybe he'll not get Red Zone touches, but we didn't really see a ton of Taysam Hill in this one.

So those, I mean, those are massive rates. And I think he's pretty much like if you just combine Tony Pollard and Ty J. Spears playing time into one player, you know, you basically have like eight to ten PPR points as a floor is what it feels like with this role. Yeah. For the Steelers, Jalen Warren did get more work this week. I thought looked good. So it seems like we're turning in the right direction with his health, hopefully, to close up the season and some good matchups here. I think he's somebody you can hopefully start to close out this season. 56% snap rate for Warren had 14 touches to 8 for Kenny Gainwell and two for Caleb Johnson.

And it is the time of the week where we talk about the Seattle Seahawks once again. The usage is better for Kenneth Walker, but it doesn't matter. Zach Charbonnet, of course, outscores him, barely did rip off. It was a nice run, 17-yard touchdown run. And Sharpenay was the running back on the field for the two Red Zone drives in this game. game. But over the two previous games, Kenneth Walker was on the field for 68% of the short down and distance reps. So that's when three or fewer yards are needed to gain a first down or a touchdown. Walker was out there for 68% of the snaps. He outtouched Charbonnet 8 to 1

in short down and distance situations over the past two games. So I don't think that the fact that Charbonnet happened to be out there for like four plays or whatever in the red zone this week, means that it's his role necessarily. That's not what it looked like as I dug into this. But we don't really know. But prior to the week A-by, it was like clearly his role. He had 69% Charbonnet of those short-down-and-distance snaps since the week A-by. It's been 50%.

So it's pretty much even, could go to either one of them in short-down-and-distance situations. And then clearly, and by the way, Walker has more of those touches in those situations since the week eight by and has out snapped him overall straight games this one was another one and then they're also throwing in the ball he has a route rate of 50% or higher in each of the past two games after only hitting that rate once through the first 11 games or whatever and he has three targets in each of the past games so I feel all right starting walker week to week and I would be really nervous if you had to ever start Charbonnet is where I'm out with these two but Charbonnet is a pretty good player and they can run on people for sure and they can score a lot of points so he's not

the worst flex okay well that's all i've got the receiver tied-in notes are pretty quick um and a lot of really weird players here so i think this will be fun uh bj was back 84% route rate for him 81% route rate for brinton strange scored the touchdown um so i think that you can start those guys but i don't really know what jackson was going to do they've been all over the place week to week Kyle Pitts, 93% route rate for pits and had a bunch of targets. He had a bunch of yards after the catch, and it wasn't just like one long yard after the catch play. He had at least four yards after the catch on every single catch.

This was a career high in Yak for Pitts. So it seems like they obviously want to run the ball, Atlanta, but they know like the limitations the Kirk Cousins has right now. And so the office is kind of predicated on like getting Pitts going, getting him moving before the snap, at the snap, catching the ball, and then running. And it worked pretty well in this one. So maybe you can start Kyle Pitts. Well, yeah, we talked that this yesterday on the show.

I mean, Heath isn't so optimistic that Drake London is going to come back. But if Drake London comes back, then I'm not really going to be too fired up about starting pits. I got to be honest, I was a little worried, not in the sense that I was ever considering sitting him, but a little bit worried about Bijon Robinson going into this game. because, I mean, and I actually watched a lot of this game. I just think their offense is garbage right now. Bejohn, of course, scores 30 fantasy points,

but he was superhuman in this game. He was unbelievable. And I do think there's some duds that he could struggle. He could struggle against Seattle next week. He really, you know, they're not going to do it. This is not actionable. Bejohn's the man. You're never going to sit him.

But I did not come away with that game from that game impressed with Atlanta's offense. I think they suck. So I think Seattle is going to make them quite humble next week. And Pits, though, Seattle does struggle with tight ends. So if London's out, then maybe you go to Pits. But I think Cousins is just not going to get it done. And I'm not super optimistic about them going forward. Moving back.

Oh, yeah, go ahead. Me either. I was just going to keep it moving. You got more pit stuff? I want to go back, actually, one game. The one thing, my key takeaway from one of the games, just washing it back today. this morning. I was just watching some of the routes. Jaguars, I have a strong, maybe it's a gut feel.

I have a good feeling about Jacobi Myers' rest of season. I think it maybe took some time for him to get ingratiated into the offense. That's only going to improve his rapport with Trevor Lawrence. Just looking back at all of the ways that Lawrence has won in this Liam Cohen system, a lot of it has been through the slot. A lot of them has been through players like Parker Washington, who is now injured. If I'm making a bet down the stretch run, it's not BTJ, it's going to be Jacoby Myers so I think could be really big down the stretch run there okay all right what else you got

Jacob get oh actually wait can I can I tell everybody to go rock the vote oh yeah yeah we got what are we got in this bracket somebody we're in the elite eight bro finally I've been voting I was again very disav very disappointed in our seating but it is what it is seven seed um and as you can see we knocked off the two seed yeah now it looks like we knocked off oh the fantasy footballers what were they the three seed is that right no they were the six seed wow okay they were underseated they were underseated too they were also underseated we're doing great out here what do we have left paul allen we got a beat out we're not part of my take is in this that's going to be that's going to be if we get to the championship is going to be pat macafee

or part of my take probably wow anyway go to the 64 dot com and vote in the best uh sports podcast radio show uh challenge we're in the elite eight and the voting for this round ends today, Monday. So please go and vote for fantasy football today. It is super quick because you give your cell phone number they text you a code, you type it in, you vote for FFT, you can vote for the other ones too and we'll keep it going and we'll try to win.

And thank you for all you who voted. Very thankful. Speaking of thankful, we have a good Thanksgiving-related poll on YouTube, but Jacob, you want to finish up your wide receiver and tight end notes. Yeah, for sure. I've got, we've seen questions in the chat. A lot of people asking about Jackson Smith at Jigba and Sam

Donald. We're going to talk about them on tomorrow's beyond the box score for sure. Let's stay in this Atlanta game. On the other side of the ball, we saw the AD Mitchell breakout finally, 39% target share, 58% of the air yards. It's still Mitchell and John Mechie

as the two primary route runners for the Jets. And I think like we saw, as long as Mitchell can not drop the ball, if he's like getting open and they start to build that rhythm, I think that Tyrod's just going to keep going back to him because he's so clearly the best separator on the team. Metschi has done well, but, like, Mitchell is just the guy who can get open

in different areas of the field over and over. And so, like, if they can get that rhythm going and that confidence going, I think it legitimately could be fantasy relevant. Obviously, it was in a big way this week. You don't, we're talking about, you know, do you feel good betting on Cal Pitts? Like, do you feel good putting your fantasy championship run in the hands of A.D. Mitchell and the Jets? Probably not. But if you want just a free shot of

upside, he could give you 15, 20 points like we just saw in week 13. The underlying data all supports it. And this is some, he's been one of the best separators in the league since he got here. Like it's just been about converting on it. That trade, that dynasty trade that Dan made for 80 Mitchell is finally going to pay off. Well, it's an interesting one. It was, it ended up being digs i get diggs and mitchell you get lad mcconkey so i still think you won that i did yeah yeah well let's not laugh it off like it was an obvious win it was like a early second for a late second at the time and diggs when he was like going into that texan season i was you know i was playing in a win now situation this wasn't a recent and he wins he wins all the time except i don't think

he's going to win this week all right two two more notes harold fanny junior 93% route rate highest mark of the year for Harold Fana Jr. only at 37% route rate for David and Joku. So it's like he had the highest rate rate on the team, even higher than the wide receivers, 22% target share. It's been above 20% in like eight straight games or something. Like this is really unique usage for a tie-in. I know it's on the Cleveland Browns, but like it's so focused on him. So you actually kind of do have a good floor. It's weird to say that because they throw for 110 yards a game. Yeah, there's an outcome any given week where it could fall out and you could get

like two catches for eight yards or whatever um but like most of the time if you just simulate it like a hundred times like most of those times you're going to get this 47 yards and six catches or whatever and like have a pretty good fantasy floor um which you don't have very many tight ends that give you that kind of stability um any any titan can bust basically is where i'm at your last note is 97% route rate for isaac tisla i don't know if that's ever going to matter but Like if in Monterey, St. Brown is out and they know that moving forward, maybe they do base more of the offense around him. Dan Campbell has been quoted as, like, saying that, like, it's time.

It's time for him to get more targets. It's time for him to get, like, be a bigger part of the offense before the St. Brown injury. They're, like, we've needed him to, like, kind of show us that he can do the things and be in the right place. And he's done that. He's done everything we've asked of him. And so we think he's going to be a bigger part of the offense going forward. So we'll see.

You only had two targets in this game. You're forgetting the most important one here. This comment from Jim. I'm going to pick up that 320-pound tight end for Pittsburgh. He had an 80% route participation rate, Darnow, Washington. He only had four targets. He caught two of them. He destroyed like six people.

He went for 45 yards. I love him. He's becoming my favorite player. And I really hope, I'm going to guess his yards per catch is like through. I wanted the Giants to draft Darnow Washington so badly when he was. I was just about to look it up because I'm like on a for opportunity basis. I bet he's been pretty good. 1.8 yards per out run.

this year. That's pretty dang good. Yeah, man. 12.5 yards per catch for Darnell Washington, 7.4 yards after the catch for him. No one wants to tackle him. I actually think this could be something. I really do. They're desperate for any... I wouldn't even say a number two receiver because

their number one's doing nothing. They're desperate for a number one option. You're not to say he's going to lead them in targets, but Washington getting an 80% route rate. Now, Dave was telling me that they use him specifically against either 4-3 or 3-4 defenses. I think four three because you look at his route rate it goes up and down up and down like you think

oh they're using him and then next week nothing but or not very little but i don't know i think we might have something here honestly with darnow washington i'll finish up with a few things here uh i think you mentioned pretty much everything i was going to say actually except you want like a couple of wide receivers who are playing a ton and for 16 team leagues or whatever, maybe 14. Devon Veilet for the Saints. David Sills for the Falcons. Seals has a touchdown in two strong games.

Yeah. These guys, yeah, whatever. I think that's pretty much all I had. Oh, the Bucks, the Bucs offense. I mean, the Bucs offense, I wish it would part of the buyer sell. But Chris Godwin, 67% of the snaps, ran 67% of the routes. When he has been on the field over the last two weeks, Godwin's had nine targets.

Abuka's had seven and no other players had more than three. And I think if you look at the four games that he's played, it does not paint a good picture for Kate Otten. What's going on with Abuka right now? Well, let's just take since week seven, because he got hurt in week six and then week seven, everything's kind of falling apart for Abuka. He's wide receiver 36 per game,

and he is just behind number 35 per game, Justin Jefferson. They have very, very similar stats. They both have a ton of targets. Like, since week seven, Abuka is wide receiver 36, per game with the fourth most targets at the position and sixth in target share on pace for 167 targets he's doing nothing with them 42.4% catch rate a lot of you know downfield stuff baker's been a little bit off again it's two weeks in a run i've watched all the routes where he's you know had some opportunities for chunk plays it just haven't happened he had a drop in this game that would have been

about a 15 yard or 12 to 15 yard catch but i don't know i don't really know how to explain it but But the Godwin development, not great, because Godwin's getting a ton of targets when he's on the field. The Evans development, not great. The Jalen McMillan development, not great. So it's funny. Everyone's just so pissed at Justin Jefferson. Since week seven, Jefferson's been like three-tenths of a point better per game than Abuka. They're both really killing you right now.

All right. Let's take a break. Come back. Actually, I have a bonus fantasy cops I want to get to. We'll talk about Justin Jefferson. Yeah, baby. Justin Jefferson and more after this. And we welcome you back, everybody, to fantasy football today.

I love that. I love that commercial. You do? Well, I know what else you love. I love the fantasy cops. I don't know if we're going to be able to beat last week's, though. That was unreal. Last week's was crazy, but this one's from Jeremy.

Hey, Austin, Pete, Paul, and Roger. Austin, Pete, Paul, and Roger. Roger Clemon, Snow. I don't know. It's the who or something? The who? Really? No. I have no idea who these are. All right. Well, anyway, Jeremy says, I'm the commissioner in a 12-team league.

I've been babysitting my brother-in-law's team all year because he's new. But even after weekly reminders, he never ever sets his lineups, like not even once. This week, he managed to squeeze into the last spot to make the playoffs, which start next week. am I in my rights as the commissioner to manually push him out of the playoff spot and put the team below him in? I'm 100% certain he wouldn't even notice. What?

This is a joke, right? So he wants to manually take a team that earned the playoff spot, move him out just because what? He wasn't active enough this season? He would dispute the word earned. He's been babysitting his team. I think he's been setting lineups for him. that's your first mistake i am so confused

he's trying to help his brother-in-law out the brother-in-law's not finally when push comes to help him out then push comes to shove and the guy makes the playoffs he's like no never mind you're out he doesn't even think he'll notice look i'll defer to you guys because otherwise i'll probably lean toward what dante goose can't goose con has said in the comments my thoughts on this type of league not a huge fan yeah not a huge fan not everybody gets to play in leagues with 12 dedicated people These, this happens at all the time. If you're, yeah, I mean, this is a family league here.

It's a family league. Well, just let him make the playoffs. Who cares? Yeah, let him make the playoffs. Right. Yeah, if you've been doing this, like, if this is his team, you set the team, then like, that continues to be his team. And this is just what you've dug yourself here.

Yeah, but do not let, you know, gung-hojo is right. Do not let, do not set his line up in the playoffs. Oh, no. No more setting the lineups. No more text messages. You can text them before the playoffs. That's it. All right.

Let's get a fun tweet here. Let's see if. Dan or Jacob get this reference. All right. This is from the fake Boston. Home alone. Come on. Okay, fake Boston Globe account says, Aaron Rogers looks like he tried to rob Kevin McAllister's house.

You missed it with this, though. There were better memes here of people saying this is like me on the show when I use my nose strip. By the way, when we play tennis next, you can be sure that I will be wearing that nose strip so I can breathe. Okay. I'm sure it was the breathing. Yeah, part of it, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's go to our buyer's sell here.

And the first one is from Black Rose. And Black Rose says, buyer sell, Justin Jefferson should be considered outside the top 30 rankings wide receiver, you know, going forward. Well, certainly if J.J. McCarthy is forced to miss more time, he should be. Just, you know, a great lesson this past week. And just when you think things can't get worse than they are, and I think from what I saw before his concussion,

J. J.J. McCarthy was second to last quarterback out of like 900 in EPA just ahead of Jamarcus Russell, who may be the worst quarterback in NFL history. Well, Max Brosmer is somehow worse. It is somehow possible to be worse. And Brosmer looked horrifically bad. The ball location, the footwork, I think he is not capable of playing another snap at any kind of level and moving the offense anyway. Now it is Seattle defense. Let's be clear. McDonald's a genius. And they have so much talent there. So maybe Brozmer could be better, but against the easier defense. But Brosmer or J.J.M, I don't think Justin Jefferson is inside the top 30 regardless. You mentioned the matchups. I'm just going to say the matchups. The only reason is the

matchups. Washington is 28 against receivers. Dallas is 32nd. The Giants are 29th. Detroit is 30th. These are their next four games. One of them is outdoors in cold weather. That's the Giants in week 17 the other or week 16 pardon me the others are indoors or yeah indoors so that is the saving grace here for jefferson i would argue that detroit if they are actually healthy in week 17 because they've had injuries in the defensive backfield all year they might actually be a good secondary but that's the argument for jefferson is it can't get any worse and the schedule is so good but even if it can't get any worse like it doesn't what has he been he hasn't been in anywhere near the top 30 right I just said since week seven, I know that this was.

Sorry, I missed that. No, no, no, it was lost in the Abuka stuff. But since week seven, he's wide receiver 35 per game in PPR. But that's with two games with Carson Wentz. Right. It's gotten worse since then. And not that he was great in those games with Wentz, but it's gotten worse. He was playable with Wentz.

What are his non-Wentz? I wonder what his non-Wentz wide receiver per game numbers are. They got to be bad. Real bad. Jacob, let me give you this stat. In the non-Wenst games, the Minnesota Vikings are averaging 150.7 passing yards per game. Gross passing yards, not including, like, not taking away for sacks. So let's say 151 passing yards per game.

Jacob, over the last 10 seasons, that would be the worst in the last decade. I didn't even go farther back then. It's hard to find teams that are like 170. So they're 151 passing yards per game. It's mind-blowing. It's Jacob, what were you going to say about Jefferson? I was going to say that we got 60 total catchable air yards from Brosmer in this game, which is actually not the worst game we've had all year for Minnesota, which is crazy.

McCarthy had 58 last week, but he at least was throwing down the field a little bit. Brosmer's average depth of target on catchable balls was 2.6 yards. Anytime he did throw down the field, it was pretty much just no shot. Brozmer on throws of five or more air yards was six for 16 in this game, three picks, which, by the way, he had a 19% highly accurate throw rate on throws that came five or more yards down the field. Tyrod Taylor's was the next lowest at 31%, so 19% is extremely low. Actually, though, the lowest on the week belonged to Lamar Jackson at 9.5% on 21 of these throws. Yeah, he is not playing well.

I definitely could have been off base thinking that he was fine last week. But, you know, he had some bad luck in this game, right? Like you had likely fumbling, no, I'm talking about Jackson. Likely fumbles going into the end zone, that costs him a touchdown. Zay Flowers gets a tickey tack pass. Yeah, but he didn't agree on that.

He did it. But he made a no place to score a decent amount of fantasy points against the Bengals, yeah. It's the Bengals defense. There's no excuse for what happened against the Bengals defense, for me, at least. I just want to give one more stat on Jefferson. He had a 20.7% target share yesterday. With J.J. McCarthy, it's been 28.1% or higher every week. So that's at least if we get McCarthy back. We may not get a lot. It may not get a lot more yards, but I think we'll get a better target share. A touchdown upside is so low, though. I mean, it's almost non-existent in that offense. So, yeah, I mean,

I think, you know, best said by the chat here, Dante Goosecon again, he said, why didn't they just keep Nick Mullins? Seriously, though, like, why didn't they just keep Nick Mullins, Minnesota? They should have paid him. I don't know what it would call us, probably not much than the Jaguars backing up Trevor Lawrence. I think he's their number two. I even know if that's even true, but I think that's the case. Should just get Nick Mullins. What happened there? I think going back to McCarthy would be a lot better. Like you said, the first target rate was much, much lower for Jefferson than we've ever seen it. And I gave you the 58 Catchable Air Yard staff for McCarthy.

It hasn't always been that bad. He actually has a couple of games where he's been at 169, 164, 150. For reference, the best rates that the Vikings have had all year where Carson Wince starts. He had a 238 catchable air yard game, a 226 game as well. But he's also had games, and these weren't just the late games where he got heard. Like week A, Carson Wins' number was 80, which is really, really low. but week three, Carson Winston, have a good game. Week five, Carson Winston, have a great game.

Those are like 128 catchable air yards, 92 catchable air yards. So I don't, it's been awful with McCarthy, no doubt about it. But I think it's clearly better than what we just got where it was like not a functional offense at all. Okay. Let's go to our next. Oh, I at Jefferson and Wide receiver 23 this week. That like that end, it obviously was even worse this week.

But like that's where Adam ranked going into the week. I think it's totally viable to ask this question. Is he outside of the top 30? that seems insane because it's Justin Jefferson, but that's basically where we're at. The matchups could help hopefully down the stretch, but it's just hard to buy. It's just a good example of why you have to be really careful

with putting name brand receivers behind these type of quarterbacks. Like in the end, the quarterback does kind of dictate the fantasy success, in my opinion, in most situations. Okay, let's go to our next topic. We hate these committees and timeshares. Morgan says, buy or sell, Kamani Vidal, has forced a time share. Yeah.

Bye. Right. I've got some Vidal stats that are crazy. I haven't got to the film yet. I'm very excited to. But apparently, according to True Media and PFF, charting, he had 13 avoided tackles in this game, which ties Bijan Robinson for the most of any player in any game this year.

Damn. Yeah. 124 out of 126 rushing yards after contact is what they have it charted as. That's the seventh most yards after contact in a game this year. Basically, you're telling me this was like one of the best individual games by a running back this year. season on paper yeah i i can't imagine omerian hampton comes back to the role he had then just doesn't make any sense why would he yeah he had he had five to seven targets in his last

three games including one in which he got injured omari and hampton so that was huge he scored 24.9 27.5 and then 13 fantasy points in a game that he left early with an injury right he looked like you know first round value kind of player after the naji harris injury I also feel like they definitely need a good pass protector back there. And I feel like Vidal is certainly going to have an edge there. Would you agree with that over Hampton? Just from getting more reps in, yeah, playing more. And that's what he's,

he was third down back originally. So I feel like that would be kind of what. And I watched some of them. No mix back in Hampton. They're not going to just not play him. But I just, it's going to be some kind of committee. Yeah.

I'm curious what it was going to. I was really rooting against Vidal because I have Hampton coming back in a few leads. And I was like, please don't have a good game, but he had a huge game. And let's see, they've got Philadelphia at Kansas City, at Dallas, and Houston. It's a terrible schedule. Terrible schedule for running backs. Yeah, so we'll see what happens.

All right, I think we can move on from that. And let's go to our last buyer cell. It's about three running backs. Buy or sell on Rico Dowdell, Bucky Irving, and Giovante Williams. So I'll just ask you guys, how would you rank them rest of season? Rico, Daudo, Bucky Irving, Javante Williams. I'm going Bucky Javante, RICO,

but Bucky and Javante are very close. I'll go Javante, Bucky, then big drop off to RICO for me. I'm with Jacob, Bucky Javante, RICO. I'm pretty encouraged by Bucky Irving. Honestly, it's probably fair to put Bucky ahead of Javante.

Yeah, he kind of, first game back, ran away from a committee. He's not going to be the third downback. That's just not going to happen. but like damn he got 17 carries yeah you know it was awesome and he scored a touchdown and the thing is

his yards per carry had been bad all year I don't really get it because I watched it and he looked pretty good his touchdown run was really good I don't know why the efficiency has been bad he's averaging 3.4 yards per carry but so much that is like front loaded when they were trying to work their center at left tackle and they were like all jumbled up on the offensive line

Maybe. It was bad yesterday, too, but, I mean, not, yeah, it was with like 3.8. But, and that was against a struggling run defense. But I don't really care. I think he's, I think he's their guy. And you just have to hope that Baker Mayfield throws to him on first and second down. That would really boost him. But I'm pretty pumped about him. Yeah. Javante, I think he got a little lucky with that touchdown catch, right? So he's been struggling. He's got a tough schedule. Detroit, Minnesota, Chargers should be good. He's got a tough schedule over the next two weeks.

Finishes with the Chargers in Washington. Here's what I got on Giovante. So the first seven games of the year, he's averaging 5.3 yards per carry and on pace for 56 catches. Last four games of the year, averaging 4.2 yards per carry,

which is very respectable, in my opinion, because he's had a tough schedule, but he's only on pace for 27 catches. So a couple more things. One, he's had three targets in two straight games, which is great. I don't know there's a specific reason for it. It's not necessarily a lamb in or lamb out thing,

but we need three targets a game. I'm just asking for two catches a game at this point. That would help me for Giovante, two to three. Also, they're winning more. He has averaged 18.7 carries in their six wins, 13.2 carries in five losses, and 20 carries in a tie that went to overtime. time. So we need them to be competitive. This is not involved in the passing game. And they are good. Now I'm a little concerned about them at Detroit this week, but not a huge concern. Minnesota, you know, whatever. I think they're going to compete for at least three of their next four games. But he's, you know, you guys watched that game on Thanksgiving. I mean, I know we were all busy. He's, he's kind of slow. And you saw that run by Malik Davis. Like he, Javta can't really do that. And I just think there's been almost no.

big plays his longest run in his last five games is 20 yards first seven games he had a lot of him his like 60 yard run and week five a writer was so funny did he looked so slow now but it's like he's still good he's still awesome like car Williams is faster than him but car williams is slow too you know but like he's still an awesome running back who like is the engine for a really good offense uh i don't really see what i this is not a important point but why do you think the touchdown reception was lucky what do you mean oh just because like he he barely ever catches the ball now he's usually one catch a game i just it saved your game it saved your game and he's not really getting a lot of those opportunities lately like i said on pace for 27

catches in his last five games yeah so i did it i did a deep dive on givante because people were freaking out and they're like what does giovante dust is he a cell and it's like nothing has changed like he's still running extremely well he's playing like 78 percent of the red zone snaps he's playing inside of the 10 like he's getting the ball he's not getting the ball quite as much inside of the 10 they're throwing a little bit more than they did at the beginning of the year maybe that's random or maybe that's more trust than george pickens and dac is playing phenomenally who knows maybe that's about giovante but he's he's done well he leads the league in yards after contact per fantasy point status charting like everything checks out roll checks out

offense checks out and talent checks out he's not ripping off a bunch of explosive plays but he's consistently turning out good plays. I have no concerns at all with Javante. The only reason I would take Bucky over him is because I think there's more upside for Bucky, but they're both, I think Lachnan is like top ten guys. If they throw to him, then you could say Javante has one of the best roles of any running back in football. But, you know, look, he had a five-game stretch where he had one, one, one, one, two

catches. This week, this past Thursday, he had three Javante Williams. Someone said that I called TMAX touchdown lucky. I guess I should stop using the word Tetral McMillan's touchdown Lucky. I think that was either yesterday or last week. I shouldn't use the word lucky like this, I guess. I'm saying that when you have a guy like Tetaner MacMillan,

what did he have? Four targets or something like that? He had such a nothing game. Yeah, he had two targets. He had two targets in this game. And he had two catches the week before. They went for touchdowns, or two of his last. last three catches we've gone for touchdowns.

I do think it's a little bit lucky. I'm just saying, you know, you want more catches, you want more yards. You don't have to rely on a long touchdown two weeks in a row from Teteroa McMillan. For Giovante, you know, you're getting almost nothing in the passing game. And he's been the least efficient receiving running back in the NFL. I don't know why, but he does nothing with his catches. So that's why I's like, man, you got a little bit lucky, I thought, with him catching a touchdown. Maybe I shouldn't be using that word.

but it was cut i have so much chivante it was just like a sigh of relief because it looked like he was headed to another high volume game with low fantasy points i see him almost identically to josh jacobs in my mind for like a fantasy profile he's very much like josh jacobs he's kind of like a derrick henry james cook with way less volatility and they have like more potential to get to the upside but they also have bigger down weeks like none of those backs get that much receiving involvement it's mostly on the ground but you can expect 15 to 22 touches and it's in a really good

offense. In most weeks he's going to be pretty dang solid. I think he's like Josh Jacobs in my mind, which is good. It's a really good player. And so what it comes down to then is are they scoring touchdowns basically? Because like Jacobs just had a really good game. 17 carries for 83 yards and one catch

for eight yards against Detroit, great run defense. He scored 10.1 PPR fantasy points. That stinks because he didn't score. So that's what it comes down to. I think part of it is like The Packers are more willing to run in the Red Zone than the Cowboys are because the Cowboys have George Pickens in one-on-one situations.

Yeah. All right. RICO, though, you know, we watched it yesterday. I went back and watched it today. Yeah. It's just no way to deny that Chuba Hubbard was the better running back yesterday. And Dave mentioned it that Chuba said when he first came back from the injury,

he wasn't himself. He just got back to feeling like himself a couple of weeks ago. And in his first two games back, he struggled. He struggled against the Jets. struggled against Buffalo. This is Chuba Hubbard.

And then he got four straight games with five or fewer carries. 17 carries in week 13. Dave Canales said, quote, it's a dream to be able to have two guys that you can count on, and I can call anything that I have on the call sheet and trust that it's going to get executed. Then he was asked why Chuba Hubbard was used more yesterday. He said, quote, it's just the way that the game played out.

We had more attempts. We had more opportunities. And then it really came down to some third down conversions and then also some third down runs, and Chuba's been our primary third down back right now with the protections, but we also run the ball some, and that's a great opportunity, just make sure he gets his touches. Dan, what's your take on the Panthers? As there's, like, Chuba is a player that was impressive last season on a per touch basis. I remember watching the tape being impressed with him. I don't think there's any reason to

believe he won't be part of this moving forward, even though there was that stretch where RICO was the leadback, which is why earlier when we asked to rank these players, he was last for me, RICO, kind of a tier of his own. Yeah, clearly loud. Yeah, but once now he isn't, Rigo Dado is no longer a guy that I think I can trust I don't know if he's a flex because I don't know that they're 24. I still think they're both worth starting flex-wise. I don't even know. They're like Swift and Monongai, but the offense is way less the way less trustworthy.

Exactly right. I love that it's a dream to have Rico Doudal and Chuba Hover. Like football guys are so funny to me. Yeah, yeah, crazy. Yeah. Let me show us. They're dogs. I love those guys.

I get it. It's just very funny quote. I show a screen scott before we leave here, Chris Godwin. This was his long catch, went for 31 yards. You see him? This was kind of like a trick play almost. He just crouches down and he hides behind the defensive line and nobody runs with him and he got open for a 31-yard play.

It was kind of neat play there for Chris Godwin, but was most of his production. Of course, he also dropped a touchdown. Buck's offense is really interesting, man. like what's going on with Baker Mayfield can we get a good game from Baker Mayfield for once no I've got some really bad stats on

even this week with Baker we'll get to that on tomorrow's beyond the box score it's not looking good it would have been a good game although I think on the drive that on which Chris Godwin dropped a touchdown I think that drive

ended with I'm not sure may have ended with the Worf's touchdown I don't want to sit here and say, oh, Baker would have had a good game if God would have caught that touchdown because he may have scored a touchdown a few plays later.

I don't really remember. I could be wrong about that, though. All right, guys. Thank you. Great show today. And we will talk to you on, well, they'll talk to you on Tuesday and so will I.

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