Fantasy Football Today - Beyond the Box Score: Texans and Rams Offenses, Trevor Lawrence, Rookie WRs (09/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts We start with a Dolphins-Patriots recap as Raheem Mostert was the Fantasy star of this game and Kendrick Bourne saw his role decrease significantly. What else stood out? Also, Dan gets called out by email (7:25) and we update you on the latest injury news (9:30) ... Advanced stats (13:10) from Jacob Gibbs! We talk about the offenses that are playing at a super fast pace, why Jayden Reed and Michael Pittman are catching Jacob's eye and what Brock Purdy struggled with in Week 2. Then we've got some notes on snap counts (27:05) and Brian Robinson's role. Is Robinson a sell high? ... Five Big Topics: Potential league winners (36:30), Kyren Williams (42:00), the Texans passing game (44:55), Josh Jacobs (52:25) and Trevor Lawrence (55:30) ... Email us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Beyond the Box score, week two. Proud to say we did not get canceled after our first show. The execs were like, guys, better be good.

Schneier better be good, or this is going to be one and done. But we passed the test. We actually inspired Rashad White to have a huge game. And we've got more big topics for you, more advanced stats. This is Beyond the Box score, advanced stats from simple people. And today we'll talk about Puka Nakua again. That's going to be a pretty regular occurrence on this show. We'll talk about Kyron Williams again.

We'll talk about the Jaguars passing game, the Texans passing game. They've run the second most plays, I think, in the NFL behind the Rams. They are throwing the ball a ton. And Nico Collins is off to a great start. So we'll talk about that. Good afternoon, Dan and Jacob. Jacob, how do you think – I'm going to ask Dan how his golf game went. What do you think he's going to say?

Do you think he's had a good day out there Friday on the links? I think Dan's got excuses for why he did not have a good day. That sounds more like it. Dan, how was your golf game? It was solid. It was the first time I had played in 14 days, which was a long time for me this summer. I shot a 101, which for me is around what I've been shooting. This was the first time I had played in 14 days, which was a long time for me this summer. And I shot a one-on-one, which for me is around what I've been shooting between. This is my first summer playing.

I'm three months in. I've shot between like one-on-one and one 20 at first. And so it was okay. The first two kills, I couldn't get off the tee, which was an issue. Cause that hasn't happened to me in like two months. Um,

and so that was very disappointing, but irons were pretty crispy all day. I think I topped like one ball the entire day, which at this stage of where i'm at that's a good sign so i know you didn't want all this kind of detail but maybe i did it golfers out there will enjoy it i didn't but we do want some detail on some film review a little bit later uh so let's talk about new england and miami miami 24 new england 17 and um you know it know, it wasn't a bad game. He didn't play poorly, too, but he only scored 14.3 fantasy points and six points for passing touchdown leagues. Raheem Moser with a huge game.

18 carries, 121 yards, two touchdowns, and he had one catch. So, Jacob, any major takeaways from this game? So we saw Kendrick Bourne, the role, kind of disappear as Devante Parker returned. Bourne's um, the role kind of disappear as the Vontae Parker returned, uh, Bourne's route rate was only around 50, 52%. So that's kind of concerning for a lot of people who rush to get him.

He still led the entire NFL in air yards, which is pretty nuts for only playing half of the maps. But, um, yeah, a ton of plays again from the Patriots, which is exciting to see them continue to play at a pretty high pace. Um,

just needs somebody, a wide receiver to see them continue to play at a pretty high pace. Just need somebody, a wide receiver to get open. It was weird. Devante Parker played, you know, he may have played 100% of the snaps, played a lot of snaps and Kendrick Bourne was down near about 50% of the snaps. That was so strange, but I guess we can't rely on that. Stevenson, you know, people are probably wondering, he just doesn't look so great right now. Armandre Stevenson, 15 carries for 50 yards and a, he just doesn't look so great right now, Ramondre Stevenson. 15 carries for 50 yards and a touchdown. Last week, 12 carries for 25 yards.

He does have nine catches this year. He's had two solid fantasy games in PPR. Dan, how do you feel about Ramondre Stevenson going forward? I think you said it best. He just doesn't look like the same explosive back right now that he was last year. Now that could obviously change with time. I think part of the issue is, I mean, when it's not blocking it up the way they were

last year in the run game. And I think part of the issue is it's a different thing with Bill O'Brien and he's not as much of a focal point in the passing game last year. I think he had the third most targets for running backs. I highly doubt that repeats itself this season, especially with Zeke in the mix. They're already getting a decent amount of touches there. So yeah, I mean, I'm not, I wasn't very high on him to begin with, but definitely not. Nothing has changed.

This was an interesting matchup for the Dolphins so far through two games. Think about who the Eagles through the who the Patriots have played. They face the Eagles and the Dolphins, and they have not really been beaten deep at all. I mean, they've been giving up very few big plays. A lot of the big plays they are giving up are catch and runs, but Jalen Waddle had a, you know, a vertical, I don't know, it's like a 30 yard gain, but for the most part, they're just not letting anything behind them. It's really impressive considering the competition. So the Dolphins took advantage of that and they

ran the ball. And Jacob, how do you value Raheem Mostert, who, you know, he's got a touchdown in each game, but only 10 carries last week, 18 in week two. And next week they come home to face Denver. Then they're at Buffalo. I don't really know. I don't really know how to predict the game script because Tua went from throwing 45 times to 30 times from week one to week two. Yeah, I think we'll see it be kind of flexible week to week.

It doesn't surprise me that they didn't test New England a ton in terms of their past defense. It's maybe one of the best in the league. Moser has dominated the RB rush share, 82% of the running back rush attempts in this game, 77% in week one. I think he's a weekly top 20 guy at this point um and we don't know for sure that jeff wilson's gonna be back devon h and they don't even seem to want involved at this point so

i think you're rolling with him i don't know if you're going to be able to sell him for much right so i think you're just rolling with him at this point yeah i love it the dolphins running back sorry go ahead no no your turn dad i was gonna say this is something that you mentioned a lot i felt like in the offseason adam on multiple podcasts to prep people but the dolphins run it running back has been pretty valuable fantasy assets since mike mcdaniel got there last season as well there were stretches for both wilson and mostert so if he's getting that kind of snap share in this kind of offense and to me that's going to be one of the worst games

with a healthy two that they're going to have all year from an offensive production standpoint. The New England is one of the few teams I think that can slow them down. Obviously, the Jets and Bills will have a case as well. But yeah, I think most start still remains. I would put him even closer to like the top 12 top 15 range given the usage. Wow.

He's not only only what three catches in two games he's not getting that the problem we just you know you're saying while jeff wilson is out yeah while wilson is yeah i have no idea what the timeline is remember uh you know his agent jeff wilson's agent said he'd come back in week five but before that mike mcdaniel was like it's you know i i hope he can play this season so i don't know what it is and um but um, but if I said new England won the game, I was wrong. They did not.

I was aware of the dolphins did win. I don't know if I said it wrong. The dolphins won 24, 17. The dolphins are alone in first place in the AFC East. They have run one, two road games at new England and at the chargers. Pretty impressive tonight.

We have two Monday night football games and we will get you ready for those. It's 7 30 PM Eastern, uh, with, uh, our live stream. In fact, one of them is, Pretty impressive. Tonight, we have two Monday night football games, and we will get you ready for those at 7.30 p.m. Eastern with our live stream. In fact, one of them is, what time does that first game start? It's probably going to be going on at that point, so that'll be fun. 7.15.

All right, great. So we'll... E.T. Obviously, I'm referencing Eastern time zone at all times. It's the best time zone. Yeah, of course. Jacob would probably disagree out in Arizona. But yeah, anyway, join us.

YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football today. We'll be live at 7.30 to answer your questions. And yeah, and we'll look at the waiver wire and have a fun, grand old time. Email of the day comes from Danny in Frisco, Texas. He says, please get onto Dan way more about his take on seeing, quote, old movies. I never understand this sentiment of I wasn't born when it came out, so why should I know it?

As a high school teacher, I hear this all the time from teenagers about everything. There's so much iconic music, movies, and TV from pre-1990. I usually don't mind that he hasn't seen movies, but awful take by Dan. And this was Dan saying he hadn't seen Ghostbusters because it was born. It came out in the 80s. Also, Hot Cheetos and Nacho Cheese is a very underrated snack. Back in West Texas, this is a concession stand staple. Very good.

And also, I think the John Wick movies are some of the best action movies, immediate classics. You want to tackle that? He's right about the John Wick movies. They're phenomenal. I've seen John Wick one, and that was a phenomenal movie. Listen, when it comes to me seeing 80s movies or whatever movies, like, sure, I get it. I should be seeing these movies. But guess what?

Adam should have seen Friday Night Lights. Adam should have seen The Wire. And I'm going to choose to spend my time watching shows like this. What? I've seen six episodes of The Wire. It was more boring than the Chiefs Jaguars game, which was extremely boring. I hate to think that The Wire is boring.

Yeah, the first six episodes are complicated. They throw 30 characters at you at once. Be a little bit more attentive to the episodes, and maybe you'll do a better job. Read a recap after. I'm not going to read a recap. I don't read recaps. I'd like to think I'm smart enough

to understand what's going on. I don't go on the internet. Well, clearly you're not. Yes, it's not about not understanding. I don't go on the internet and read what other people think about the episode to determine how I feel about a TV show. I have my own opinions.

It's a multifaceted TV show that tackles the streets, that tackles the teachers, that tackleseted tv show that tackles the streets that tackles the teachers that tackles the the politics that tackles the police like a lot of these being thrown at you at once it's a tough show to read about that i don't think i'll be able to get that okay episode eight okay i'm sorry i didn't i didn't quite get the episode i'll watch ghostbusters all right i'll watch ghostbusters all right here are your news and notes anthony richardson concussion joe burrow, aggravated calf injury.

David Montgomery said he might need a couple of weeks for his thigh injury to heal. So that means we're going to get hopefully more Jameer Gibbs. I'm sorry. I feel like I'm almost over this cough. Hopefully more Jameer. We're having a Michael Jordan flu game right now. Yeah, exactly.

And also Craig Reynolds might be someone we talk about on tomorrow's waiver wire show. Devante Adams was evaluated for concussion. Saquon Barkley is the biggest injury right now. We just got an update from Brian Dable and the update is there is no update. They don't know the severity. You should not expect him to play in week three.

And if he does play in week three, I really think I would avoid him like the plague at San Francisco on a Thursday. Reminds me too much of that Eagles game where he played hurt and barely played last year. He's not going to play. Yeah. Hopefully it's not too long for Barkley. We'll see. Darnell Mooney hurt his knee. Cam Akers was inactive and now we see he's on the trading block reportedly on the trading block. So we'll talk about Kyron Williams. Um, do you guys think it is worth hanging on to Cam Akers right now?

Maybe in a really deep league, but it's tough. I don't think Cam Akers has showed much juice at all since the post-Achilles injury. I know he had that run at the end of last season, but I think that was not... When I went back and watched some of that, I thought it was more McVay than anything else.

And it was really easy competition too. There's some offensive line injuries to know about. Dallas offensive guard Zach Martin left. Actually, two offensive linemen left for them. Martin left in the fourth quarter. It was a blowout. I have no idea if it's serious.

I feel like we would have heard about it if it were. But the other offensive lineman who left was actually the replacement for Tyler Smith, who's been out each of the first two games ryan kelly colt center he left with a concussion odell beckham has an ankle injury it doesn't appear to be serious washington tight end logan thomas left after that cheap hit um seattle cornerback tariq woolen left i'm not sure if he came back but chicago safety eddie was carted off. That's not good for the team playing Kansas City next week. The Chicago Bears. Buffalo had two key injuries yesterday, but again, they were blowing the Raiders out. Micah Hyde and Leonard Floyd, a safety and an edge rusher. They left in the second half. Haven't heard anything about that. Philadelphia slot cornerback Avante Maddox is having surgery and he could miss the rest of

the season. Green Bay offensive lineman Elton Jenkins left with a knee injury, and they were already without David Bakhtiari. And Houston played without their starting safeties, and they lost another safety in this game against the Colts. Eric Murray left in the first quarter. Seattle was playing without two offensive linemen.

Their center, Evan Brown, hurt his knee. Rams guard Joseph Noteboom hurt his shoulder. Interesting quote from Sean Payton after the Broncos fell to 0-2. He said, quote, There were a number of drives where we were late with personnel. Getting out of the huddle, we took a while.

This has to change. We had to burn timeouts in the first half, and I'm not used to doing that. We have to be better. I have to be better. Russ has to be sharper with getting the play out, and then we have to look at how much we have in. If we need to wristband it, we will.

So that was Sean Payton talking about the same thing that plagued them last year, Dan. And Payton, not happy through two games, 0-2. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, they haven't looked like we thought they might under Sean Payton. But it's early. I think that that offense will get. I still have a haven't looked like we thought they might under Sean Payton, but it's early. I think that that offense will get, I still have a little bit of faith that Sean Payton is that good at designing plays that things will happen for that offense

later in the season, maybe. And Detroit pass rusher James Houston is out at least six to eight weeks with a broken ankle. Jacob Gibbs, what do you have in the, I don't know why I struggled with your name there. I think because I said James Houston, I was about to call you James. But Jacob Gibbs, what do you have

in the advanced stats section for us today? So I'm really excited about Jaden Reed, Packers rookie wide receiver Jaden Reed. This is another guy that we highlighted on the Beyond the Box score rookie gyms episode this summer. And he played really well during the preseason during training camp. There was just tons of buzz about him and Luke Musgrave and so far out of the gate with Christian Watson sidelined.

It has been Reed who has really capitalized on the opportunity. So if you look at target per route run rate through two weeks, we've got, of course, Puka Nakua target God at first with 40 percent target per run rate tyree kill second 37 jane reed is third at 34 and then in week two we saw reed be the first reed for jordan love 39 of the time what's interesting to me about the targets for reed is that he's not playing in anything but three wide receiver sets so nothing's going to change when christian watson comes back in terms of the role it's not like he's benefiting from watson's absence and playing more and we're

going to see him play less when watson gets back he might see his target rates drop but really i don't think of watson as somebody who's an alpha wide receiver target hog type. He drew targets at a high rate last year, but I think mostly there wasn't much competition. So I think there's target ambiguity here in green Bay. And I don't think Romeo Dobbs is somebody who's ever been a target earner in college or at the NFL level.

And it's entirely possible that Reid is going to be really involved and be fantasy relevant for the stretch run. So I'm curious what you guys think about him because I've loved what I've seen so far. Adam, do you want to jump in? Yeah, I'll just jump in real quick and say I was really disappointed with Romeo Dobbs. He was a recommended start for me.

I think I said start him over Nico Collins. In fact, I'm sure I did. And he was a total dud. That was disappointing. Jamie mentioned, did AJ Terrell follow Romeo Dobbs? I watched this morning. No, he did not. That wasn't the issue.

Watson coming back is an issue for anyone, but I think target ambiguity is a good way to put it. They could have different guys stepping up different weeks. There will be some good Dobbs weeks, I think. There will be some Musgrave weeks. There will be some good Dobbs weeks, I think. There'll be some Musgrave weeks. There'll be some Reed weeks. I think Watson, though, I think Watson has a chance

to really be awesome. But the other guy that you didn't mention is Aaron Jones, and that is someone that's going to take targets away from everyone because Dylan only had

one catch yesterday. So I don't know. I don't really know that I trust. I think I trust Jordan Love a bit, but it feels kind of like Washington. We're going to spread it out. Let's see if Watson and Jones change that, though, because I think you could argue that those guys could be the top two target getters this year, you know, from week three on, let's say if they're both back. What do you have to say, Dan?

There's a lot to unpack there, and I think this is a great topic. I'm going to first start with kind of the overall outlook, 30,000 foot view view for fantasy then i'll get into my evaluation of reed from his college tape in michigan state but from the overall standpoint i think part of the reason christian watson drew such a high target share last season was that aaron rogers was there and this season is a lot different in green bay jordan love is running the offense as called by matt with floor or i'm sorry, by getting the mic mixed up, but yes, Matt LaFleur. And that's going to mean what I think that's going to lead to what Adam said, a lot more target ambiguity. Well, Jacob said that. I don't have

trouble pronouncing words. Well, no, I said it right. You know, I didn't say ambiguity, but it was Jacob who said ambiguity. Ambiguity. Ambiguity. Wow. There we there we go okay a lot more target ambiguity a lot more spreading the ball around a lot more of you know we see romeo dobbs have this great week can he follow it up no he doesn't follow it up at all and i agree with jacob romeo dobbs is low on my list of players once watson is back watson i still think could have fan of success because he's so explosive and could just turn nothing plays into touchdown plays but i don't think it's going to look like last year from a target standpoint. And as for Jaden Reed, this is a player who I was not excited about before I watched his

tape at Michigan state. I looked at the overall athletic profile. I saw a smaller receiver didn't really test out well in any regard. And then you watch his tape and you see why people are excited about him. He's a tape guy and reminded me in some ways of Terry McLaurin, not as much on the vertical side of Sarah McLaurin, but in the on the vertical side of Terry McLaurin, but in the intermediate range and in the short range, just that ability to create separation

with his route running and his savviness. And those are sometimes the players that I find have the most success unexpectedly from a fantasy standpoint, the ones who don't run the great 40 and don't stand out to people in the pre-draft process based on how they are from an athletic standpoint. And so Reid is someone I'm very focused on

and interested in. I think he's a better prospect than Romeo Dobbs overall. So he's definitely higher on my list of Packers players I want than Dobbs. And so I think Jacob's on to something. My only issue is what I said at the beginning, though, which is, again, Jordan Love is going to run this offense, as Matt LaFleur calls it. Heron Rodgers checked out of a lot of plays with Matt LaFleur.

It was basically Rodgers' offense. So that changes my thoughts on will Lovelock into any player in this passing game. Both J.J. Zacharyson and player profile comped Reed to Stefan Diggs pre-draft, which I just thought was really, really interesting. He's really smooth. And yeah, he moves better than his athletic testing might suggest.

I think this is almost more of a dynasty note than anything i think reed could be relevant fantasy this year um but like we described there's some concern with the offense jordan love has the highest off target rate of any quarterback through two weeks which has flown a little under the radar because he's had good results um he's throwing the ball deep though overall he's throwing the ball deep he's he's throwing a lot of. So that kind of comes with inaccurate throws. Yeah, I was actually going to talk about that. It's one of my advanced stats I had because the guys were really high.

Well, anyway, I'll get into that later. But I'm not ready to give up on Dobbs yet. There were too many reports about him potentially leading the team in targets and catches. And then he caught two touchdowns in week one, playing less than half the snap. So a bad game. Bad games happen.

I'd like to see this play out a little bit more. What's next, Jacob? What do you got for us? Michael Pittman. I'm really excited about what we've seen from the Colts. The Colts are playing at the fastest pace in the league. They're throwing on first downs. They're using RPO and play action at league high rates as well.

It's all really exciting, particularly for Pittman. So so we talked with Ben Gretch and JJ Zachariasen on Beyond the Box score this summer about RPO so heavy RPO usage can lead to really concentrated target shares because the only real option to be targeted on an RPO is the receiver who the player is designed for so you're not as a receiver you're not competing with other receivers for targets like you are in most dropbacks on an RPO. And so last year we saw really concentrated target shares for A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith in Philly's offense. We see here in Shane Steichen's offense

that Michael Pittman's targets are just through the roof to start the year with all the RPO, I think boosting that. So target shareleaders 39 percent bukanakua 35 percent davanta adams michael pitman tied with tyree kill at 33 percent for third he's been the first read 40 of the time up from 32 last year and then on first downs i mentioned that they're throwing a lot more on first downs which is exciting for a lot of reasons uh defense is just aren't ready to face the pass on first down as much as they are on other downs they're the number of um plays with five or more

cornerback or defensive backs drops from 80 on other downs to 62 on first down and first down targets are worth more fantasy points as a big result of that 43 first down target share for michael pittman through two weeks which is the second highest in the NFL. So I think it's really like he was somebody who was really hard to get a good read on going into the year. We've seen Russian quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks be detrimental for fantasy wide receivers in the past. But I think the way that Indianapolis is playing,

um, as long as Anthony Richardson doesn't totally implode, it could be a really big year for Pittman, like top 20 wide receiver, which I really didn't expect going into the year. Okay. All right. So we've heard about Jaden Reed and Michael Pittman.

What else you got? Isaiah Pacheco is the last guy. So Isaiah Pacheco accounted for 86% of the Chiefs running back rush attempts, which is the second highest mark of his career in a single game. That's what he got in week two. He has 100% red zone snap rate on the year.

So last year, Jarek McKinnon was the guy in the red zone. That hasn't been the case this year. That's gone to Pacheco. And then the other thing, he has led the backfield in routes in both games for the Chiefs, which is another area where we saw McKinnon get that work last year. People were really kind of out on Pacheco because I guess the draft capital, but we saw late in the year he was kind of taking over the backfield and that's what it's looked

like so far. Where do you guys have him if this continues? Because the Chiefs offense is probably only going to get better, right? They just don't hand off to him. I mean, he had 12 carries and i think five of them came on the last drive of the game when they were running out the clock um you know he had four catches i think in the first game of the season what did he have yesterday i don't even know um but uh to sum it up he had one catch on two targets yesterday and he had four catches in week

one i think he's okay i I think he's a hold. I wouldn't say he's a buy low. It just hasn't been in the Patrick Mahomes era, hasn't been a good offense for running backs. The last time they had a running back that finished top 20 per game was Kareem Hunt. So I just

I don't know. I don't think he's going to catch Actually, I'm open-minded to the catches being higher than we thought. Which I was before this season. They don't know. I don't think he's going to catch. Actually, I am open-minded to the catches being higher than we thought, which I was before this season. They don't have wide receivers. So they've got to throw to someone. It can't be Kelsey all the time. Kelsey, by the way, had a limited snap share in week two.

But, yeah, I just don't know how many touchdowns he's going to score. They're not a team that when they get near the goal line, they hand the ball off to Isaiah Pacheco. They would hand the ball off to probably five other guys before they hand it off to the running back, you know, Kelsey, Tony, some offensive lineman or something like that, you know. So I'm OK with Pacheco. I did not draft him in any leagues, but it's obvious that he is, you know, that Clyde's

not going to be a factor. And as of now, McKinnon's not going to be a factor, but that could change at some point in the season. Yeah. The usage is definitely interesting. My, my concern remains though, along the lines of what Adam said in the red zone,

I just don't see them design. They designed such a unique red zone offense that it doesn't really play to having Pacheco be in such a good offense with the expectation that because he's in a good offense, he's going to score a lot when they're not really giving him the ball that often in the red zone. Here are some advanced stats from Adam Azer. Off-target rate on throws of 15 or more air yards in week two. So who was most inaccurate throwing down the field? Mack Jones, off-target on two-thirds of his six attempts. He was 0 for 6

on throws of 15 or more air yards, but they were all pretty deep. I mean, you can throw a ball 15 air yards, you can throw a ball 40 air yards, and they, you know, in this stat, they show up the same way, 15 or more air yards. Jordan Love, 42.9% of his seven attempts that were 15 or more air yards were off target, but the guy that I really wanted to talk about was Brock Purdy.

He also, 43% of his seven attempts were off target. He was terrible on throws downfield, and, you know, his seven attempts were off target. He was terrible on throws downfield. That's nothing new. Right, exactly. Even the AP article pointed it out. But Debo Samuel was open for a touchdown. He missed him badly.

Ayuk was open for a big play. He missed him badly. And the air yards are way up per attempt for Brock Purdy this year. He is throwing downfield more, but he is not hitting on those. So I was super high. I was really convinced that he was going to be, you know, a good number two quarterback for fantasy. And I still think he can

be, but for him to take the next step and really be a difference maker, he's got to be better downfield than he was awful in week two. I don't think we really need to get into that. I'll just throw that out there. Jacob mentioned the fastest offense in football. That is average time remaining on the play clock when they snap it.

The Colts are number one. Here's the top five. Colts, Texans, Patriots. I mean, who saw that as the top three fastest offense? Colts, Texans, Patriots, Jaguars, Eagles. Okay, that makes sense. Here are the five slowest offenses. Buffalo, Atlanta, Green Bay, Vegas, and the Rams.

And four of those five teams were slow last year. Buffalo, Atlanta, Green Bay, Vegas, and the Rams. And the only one that wasn't a super slow offense last year was Atlanta. So, you know, you can still be one of the best offenses in football and be super slow. That's the bills but we love what we're seeing from the colts the texans and the patriots right now turbo speed on offense we'll take a break when we come back more stats film breakdown five big topics we'll be right back on fantasy football today what does possible sound like for your business

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All right, here we go to the snap counts. Anything that you guys want to talk about? Kyron Williams ran 52 routes in week two, and he played pretty much every snap. Damian Pierce played only three snaps on third down compared to eight for Singletary and eight for Daria Gunbowale. We talked about that yesterday. That's concerning.

I want to know what you guys think about Brian Robinson because they're 2-0, and he has 18 to 19 carries in both games, Brian Robinson. We don't think they're going to be a great team. Their next two games are Buffalo and Philadelphia. They've got some winnable games for sure, but they've got some losable games.

He's not the third down guy. That's still Gibson. So do you think we should sell high on Brian Robinson? And if so, what would you try to turn him into? What do you think about him compared to Pacheco? Pretty similar. I'd say I'd rather have Robinson. I think he's probably perceived as much more valuable at this point.

You might be able to get Pacheco and... Yeah, I think i would try to sell i'm curious yeah where exactly his value would fall but he's already matched his touchdown total from last year in two games and the receiving touchdown i'm pretty sure wasn't even targeted to him i think he intercepted that best in week one um and like you mentioned the game script has been ideal so far and these next two games are going to be a real test it wouldn't surprise us at all if he had like a 50 snap right next week right yeah if we get it would surprise it would surprise me to be honest i'll just try to lean

the game the ground game yeah it's not even that i just so okay i i did a film study on on brian robinson he was one of the big five topics. Do we want to hit this now, Adam, or save this for that five topic? Yeah, we can just hit it now and do four topics for today or do the fifth one. Now I would surprise me if he has a snapshot at 50% or lower at any point, even in the games they're trailing, because I think they feel more comfortable with Brian Robinson on the field in those types of games because of how he can perform in past production.

And I think, although we've seen it be Gibson in the third downs right now in these quote unquote passing downs, it's a little bit different when you're playing catch up mode and you know, the defense is teeing off every play. You become one dimensional and they don't respect the run. They're shooting every gap defensive line. You need to have someone who can hold up and pass pro in my opinion. And Robinson can do that. But as far as the film study goes on Robinson, I was incredibly impressed with what I saw from him on tape in week two, the run he had in the first quarter for those who are following along and want to watch this back on NFL game pass. If you bought that, or if you get that

through having season tickets, whatever, check it out. First and 10 third quarter, one 22 remaining was a 27 yard run for Brian Robinson. The way he found the cutback, it was an outside zone run. And the way he found the cutback lane on that, such a small crease to get vertical and to get through. I watch running backs run outside zone all the time, like every week, you know, that's a, it's a common concept right now in the NFL. I would say that nine, eight or nine out of 10 times. I watched this run. The running back is running right into the defender for a loss of two or a zero yard run on this play. He's not seeing, he's not processing that cutback lane and he's not getting through that cutback lane. Robinson did all that. And then after he got through the cutback lane, which would have been good enough, we just got the 10 or 12 yards.

He spun, he bounced off two tackles and picked up another 15 yards. He's a smooth runner. He had a 15 yard touchdown run later in the game where I just thought he did a great job of pressing the vertical pressing vertically through the C gap to draw in number 21 for the Broncos. I don't know who this was. And again, those want to watch this playback. It was seven 18 to go in the fourth quarter, the touchdown run for 15 yards. Once he pressed the C gap and got vertical, it took 21 out of the play because he tried to fill. And then he just used a really smooth looking jump cut to get outside and turned it into a 15 yard touchdown run. I was also really impressed Adam and Jacob that they designed two screens for him. They had a

screen for him early in the game, and then they had a screen for him when they really needed it late in the game with 10, 15 to go in the fourth quarter. Those are both design touches for Brian Robinson in the passing game. One went for 21 yards. I don't remember what the other screen went for, but both were big gains in the passing game. And ultimately what it comes down to for me is I think they trust Brian Robinson more than they trust Antonio Gibson. He doesn't put the football on the ground. I think he's better in pass production. I think he's a really good processing back. And I really am impressed with what I've seen from Eric B enemy guys. Like I, this is not what I expected. I thought a lot of what happened in Kent City was just him riding the coattails of Andy Reid.

I'll be honest, because Reid called all the plays while he was there, if I'm not mistaken. But I think he's done a really good job of scheming things up. Like, they had a lot. Like, both those screen passes were perfectly timed, perfectly designed. There was, like, three or four blockers ahead of Brian Robinson. Easy gains. And in the run game, I've seen diversity. They ran outside zone. They ran some counter from shotgun that worked really well.

So I thought it was a really diverse run game from Eric B enemy there. So I'm just really excited. I think about what I'm seeing from the commanders office. I get it. The game scripts could change. The matchups are going to be tougher, but this Broncos defense was not supposed to be some easy matchup on paper. I don't think.

And I thought they did a really good job with it. And so I'm personally holding I'm Brian Robinson. He was was a player i wish i got more of this preseason and he might be a player i actually look to trade high for to be honest oh wow he looked he looks good he's avoided 10 tackles in two games which is the sixth most that his avoided tackle rate is way up and he also saw 90 rb rusher in week two his highest rate as a rookie was 75 so he's been above that rate in both games so far. I just think if you... He's third in running back points. If you can trade him for like...

If you can package him for Jameer Gibbs, would you do that, Dan? With the Montgomery injury, I would, yeah. I mean... So someone brought up in the chat, weren't they down 14-0 in this game

and he still ended up with 18 or 19 carries? They were, but I just looked at that. That was actually a great comment because it inspired me to look, Brian Robinson had five carries in the first half and they had 13 in the second half. So that's when the score changed. So I just like, I'm not ready to buy the Washington commanders right now. I still think they're going to be a bad team when it's all said and done. They have a tough schedule. Um, and I think they're going to be a bad team when it's all said and done. They have a tough schedule. And I think they're going to lose a lot of games. And I just, if he's not on the field in passing downs,

I just, I'm worried about him. I'm worried about him being kind of a glorified Gus Edwards. You know, better, but same drawbacks. Brian Robinson's straight up for Damian Pierce. What do you think? Yeah. I would. Brian Robinson straight up for Damian Pierce. What do you think? Yeah, I would, I would say Brian Robinson.

I would not do Damian period. I would not take Damian Pierce. I have no, it sucks because I think Damian Pierce is incredible talent. And I said this on the first beyond the box score. I said it just before the season started. When I got off that, the Texans online is an absolute disaster.

They're going to get a little healthier. You can blame it on injuries, but before the season, Kenyon Green went down for the year. They're never getting him back. He was supposed to be a big piece of that offensive line. Before the year, they shuffled in four new faces on the O-line. Yes, we'll get some of those guys back, but I don't think they're going to be generating much of a push

in the run game all season long versus Washington, who schemed it up really well against a pretty good Broncos front. So I'm just not interested in, in, in that game at all for, for Texans. Okay. Fair enough. I'm going to,

I'm going to run through the rest of the, uh, snap count notes that I had. Uh, Devante Parker played every snap. We talked about that. Kansas city, right?

Tackle. Juwan Taylor was called for five penalties. That is the most penalties in a game for a player since 2000, according to CBS, Travis Kelsey. Should have been called seven in the first week. Yeah, right, for the way he lined up. Travis Kelsey only played 64% of the snaps.

Nico Collins only played 62% of the snaps, and it was 71% in week one. Jacob, you have an explanation for that? No, I've been trying to find one, but Tank Dell and Robert Woods both ran more routes than him. Yeah. And I have a lot to say about Collins. I look forward to that. We have a question about that. DeAndre Hopkins played only 60% of the snaps.

That's something we have to keep an eye on. He had the ankle injury. Brandon Ayuk played 53% of the snaps. He missed time with an injury, and then he came back. Jerry Judy played 68% in his return. And Christian McCaffrey played every snap. Every snap. Nothing for the backups there.

All right. I was going to do some film review on Kansas City-Jacksonville, but suffice to say, this is my film review. It was a terrible game. Extremely boring. A lot of penalties, drops, bad snaps. Kansas City's center couldn't snap the ball. Kansas City's right tackle committed five penalties, as I mentioned.

But the most interesting thing of this game, Legereus Sneed. I hope he gets some love. Cornerback for the Chiefs. He shadowed Calvin Ridley, and he shut him down. And this game for the Jaguars was a game of almosts. They almost had a lot of really good plays. But the Chiefs secondary played really well. And I think I'm wondering,

you know, Jacob, you're a chiefs fan. Is this going to be the best defense they've had in the Mahomes era, basically in the Spagnolo era? There's a lot of talent. The secondary is sick, man. The Jerry Snead is so good. McDuffie is really good. They're slot corner. Like they've been developing these young corners, um, for a while and I'm, I'm really excited for it. Yeah. All right. So I asked Dan to do some film review and he'll get to that within the five big topics after our last break here on fantasy football today we'll be right back to talk about the you know what i'm gonna give you a little more content before we take a break that's not cool two breaks in like 10 minutes that's not cool let's go to our first big topic uh from tyler park league winner or mirage pukunakua

brian robinson deandre swift so you spend time on swift uh on robinson is pukunakua a league winner is deandre swift a league winner dan you can have the first word pukunakua which we talked to you know we've talked at length about him both on last week's episode and throughout the offseason. It feels like he could be a league winner at this point. I mean, look, the role is going to change a little bit when Cooper Cup comes back. But at the same time, Matthew Stafford right now looks unbelievable and he has to stay healthy to continue looking like that. But he's doing it without an offensive line. Like most of this is just Stafford processing the game at a different level than 95% of quarterbacks,

which we seem to have forgot that he's able to do and combine that with elite arm talent. That is better than 98% of quarterbacks are starting in the NFL. And that still is what staffer can be. And so if Naku is this involved, he even got a play in the red zone where they ran an end around to him and he could have potentially scored on that. He didn't, it wasn't blocked up well, but if he's this involved,

and I think he could be, we've seen in the past the rams have leaned on a one two at receiver very concentrated attack like we saw last year of miami or the eagles for example with the robert during the robert woods days he will be in my opinion a league winner now as for bronson we went over him deandre swift's to me i don't think so i think that backfield is going to you know change throughout the entire season i also think that backfield is going to you know change throughout the entire season i also think that teams aren't going to play the eagles like the vikings tried to in that game which is just simply like do everything here's any play you want it you can run the football we're just going to play the style of defense to stop the pass like that's not going to happen against every opponent i think they were playing better d lines three down line then

three three five down line they were playing that that's just crazy uh no i can't they were hoping that don't break but it just doesn't always work out that way i mean i give them credit they stayed in the game but they also unfortunately they also gave up some big plays in the passing game it's like davante smith crushed them you know so um yeah uh swift is so interesting we'll see what happens when game was back but but I don't think we can put Swift or Robinson in the league winner category, unless Swift really is the feature back, because then he's really good behind that line.

But Puka Nakua, Jacob, do you think he's going to be a league winner? And you only have to go back to Amandra St. Brown. The thing with St. Brown, it was only the last six games of the year, but to see a rookie day three pick just be awesome in a sort of similar style. Now, by the way, before you answer, do you guys know the last time a rookie had started his career with back-to-back 100-yard games? Will Fuller.

It was a little earlier than that. Will Fuller in 2016, a little more recent than that. And then he had something like 480 yards in the last 12 games that he played that season. So he completely disappeared. This feels different. Jacob's Puka Nakua going to be a league winner. I absolutely think that he could be. He had more receptions in his second NFL game than Cooper Cup has ever had in a game in his career. Wow. Interesting, interesting note. Yeah, I think he's really good. I think he can, what's really intriguing about Nakua is that he can fill a lot of different roles. We saw them get flexible with him from week one to week two, even in changing his role to adjust to the way

San Francisco plays with all their zones, keeping everything in front of him. His average route depth, his average depth of target were way shortened compared to what he did in week one he can work down the field he can work the intermediary of the field he like dan mentioned can be used as a rusher as well that was a big part of his game in college i think we've seen that he's clearly trusted by matt stafford trusted by mcveigh a big part of the offense and will continue to be they're going to continue to find ways to get the ball in his hands when Cup gets back and we don't even know if Cup's gonna be back right they say exactly they think he will be but if he's not or if his hamstring continues to be a problem then like yeah there's the clear path to him being a league winner right

we don't have time to talk about this today but the guy that we're not talking enough about is Tutu Atwell who once again was good yeah there was a Victor Cruz comp thrown out from Jimmy J Victor Cruz actually that wasn't his rookie year. He played three games as a rookie, and then in his second year, he had almost 1,600 yards. Pretty incredible. The thing I really like, too, about Nuku, I brought this up last episode, it's not just coming all from the

slot. He's lining up on the boundary and winning on the boundary. That is so important for him to continue to maintain value when Cooper Cupp is back. All right, let's take a break now. Now you've gotten your fill of good content. We'll take our second break, our final break. When we come back, we'll talk about Kyron Williams and the Texans passing game.

Looking forward to that. The Jaguars passing game and Josh Jacobs. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. All right, we're finishing up here on Beyond the Box Score week two. The second topic is from Travis DeLisandro. How real is Kyron Williams? League winner?

Anyone think that's the case? I'm going to go no on that one. And I do want to squeeze in one more thing after this or at some point on Rashad White just because I think it's topical and fun after last week's show. And I did a film review of him as well, Adam, so maybe we can find some time for that at the end. But as far as

Kyron Williams goes, I studied three backs for this show this week, Brian Robinson, Rashad White and Kyron Williams. I would call Kyron Williams the least impressive individual player of that bunch. I thought that most of what he did in the ground on the ground was schemed up by Sean McVay, but he did a great job. There was one play I had in my notes, just something cool I saw from the Rams on a third and one with 7.57 to go in the fourth quarter. I thought McVay did a really good job scheming to bring the sniffer tight end, which was Tyler Higbee on that in motion.

And for those who don't know what a sniffer is or haven't heard that term, it's a player who's kind of aligned off the line of scrimmage, put in motion before the snap by the offense, and then use almost like an old school fullback to block and seal down the end man on the line of scrimmage, put in motion before the snap by the offense, and then use almost like an old school fullback to block and seal down the end man on the line of scrimmage. So you can open up the hole.

And I just feel like the way McVay scheme that up was unique and different than I've seen some teams scheme it up. And so I thought I wanted to give him credit there. And in general with Kyron Williams, I felt like it was more scheme based than individual, but it's not like he did a poor job. He processed what was there. He got vertical a lot and took what, and took those yards.

I just, to me, I don't see a league winner there uh but obviously with the usage it's different because like as a as a player individual i wasn't that impressed on tape adam and jacob but fantasy doesn't always matter how good you are as an individual player like if your usage is going to be that high and the offense is going to be as successful it's been the first two weeks he can potentially be a league winner we saw even even Cam Akers down the stretch run last season put up good numbers because the offense was moving the football. Obviously, the matchups were good. It's a tough question.

I'm going to say no to league winner Adam, but I will say that I think they're designing a really good offense right now. Would you guys rather have DeAndre Swift or Kyron Williams? Swift. Same. Yeah. There's more upside with Swift. Through two games last year,

James Robinson, actually James Robinson scored 15.8 or more fantasy points in each of his first three games. And then he got traded and may not play again. Who knows? Leonard Fournette had 21 and 24 carries in the first two games of the season last year. He had two more 20 carry games rest of season.

Now, Robinson had ETienne breathing down his neck. Kyron Williams doesn't have that. Fournette, I guess, had Rashad White, but Fournette really just lost the job because he performed so poorly. Williams just doesn't have any competition, but he has now carried the ball 29 times and his longest run is nine yards,

so that's not great. We'll see if that improves. From James. James Chattel wants to know about the Texans passing offense. Okay. Here's some stats. First of all, they've run the second most plays in football

behind only the Rams. So it's not a surprise that we keep talking about the Texans and the Rams. The third most pass attempts Houston does. 16th in yards per attempt. Fifth highest passans and the Rams. They have the third most pass attempts, Houston does, 16th in yards per attempt, 5th highest pass rate in the NFL. They're 0-2. They've allowed 25 and 31 points in two games. They're

17th in air yards per pass attempt, respectable, and they're 23rd in tight end target rate, so they're not even bothering with the tight end all that much, so that's good. But what should we take away from the Texans passing game, Jacob? What do you think? I am a huge Nico Collins guy. It seems like maybe you're not. So I'm excited. Oh, I wasn't necessarily. But watching I watched a lot of football this

morning and nobody stood out more than Nico Collins. He is a beast. Wow. He's like a discount T Higgins with the type of routes that he's running, the way that he's used, the way that he wins. Um, he's going to be just an absolute air yard. God, like he's really, really like these type of games are available to him at any point. If the offense isn't completely dysfunctional, like it has been. And his, his per route data I've written've written about this at length is like really really exciting for a young player he just has had a really disjointed path to this third season with injuries um i i think nico collins could be a top 24 top 30 fantasy receiver and that wouldn't surprise me at all just through volume the thing i'm struggling with here is like there are so many positive signs like nico looks like a really good player tank dell his touchdown catch was really

nice made a great move he might have been a really good pick stroud i think had a pretty good game but he's and he's dropped back to pass 54 times each of the first two games but i just don't want to trust i i'm sorry i just don't want to trust it yet i don't want to trust yeah look i i don't i don't know that you need to sell to sell Nico Collins unless you can get something that you feel really great about. I would sell him for Jerry Judy. But I could see myself being wrong about that because Nico looks really good. But I don't want to completely get away from everything I felt in the preseason. I'm not ready to declare the Texans passing game as one that I am ready to trust.

They're trusting it, though. They're really letting Stroud air it out and throw way more than I expected. They're playing with pace. Like you mentioned, I think they're second or third in pace. It's really, really exciting. And Tank Dell is good. He's small, so some people don't take him seriously,

but he led college football in receiving over the past two years. His per-rata is insane. He can win against press even at his size because he's so good. Like he's, he's, he moves differently when you watch him. He's really exciting.

I think he's like the guy who could get in the way for Collins in terms of like taking away targets. Cause it wouldn't shock me if he like leads the team of targets, if he's a full-time player. Yeah. I had an opportunity to watch this team or at least i studied cj stroud for this for this episode and i wanted to really give credit to cj stroud i want to start by just taking a look at the 30 000 foot view of this how many times have we seen and let me just make this clear i made this clear earlier this offensive line is an absolute disaster this is one of the worst offensive lines i've watched on tape so far this year if not the worst and i'm from a 30 000 foot view guys how often have we seen a rookie

quarterback find actual success in the passing game like stroud has their two games with an offensive line this bad it's literally almost never i can't think of a single example where a rookie quarterback has come in and found immediate success in the passing game every time this happens we're an o-line with an O-line this bad. Every time this happens, it's hard to say we don't have great. Right. I don't know. Like Joe Burrow, I don't think had a good offensive line as a rookie.

And he had, he had a really nice. I don't think it looked like this. I'm remembering Joe Burrow's offensive line that year, though. This is like, yeah, every time he drops back, just terrible blocking. And, you know, usually you see 120, 150 yard games from quarterbacks in this spot. And I thought, look, this is a great stat from, from, um, true media, which was, uh, Austin Gale who found this one, uh, CJ Stroud's been 32nd on E in EPA when under pressure and the old line has been horrible in those spots.

The run game has been dead last in yards before contact as an offensive line. He's been under pressure 42% of his drop backs. So he's essentially his, the, the, the, you know, what he's tasked with doing is playing with a non-existent run game that can't create any yards before contact being under pressure, almost half of the drop backs he's had, and yet still trying to generate yards in the past game. To me, it's almost impossible to do that, but in clean pockets, he's at the second best EPA in the NFL among that. But in clean pockets, he's at the second best EPA in the NFL among all quarterbacks in clean pockets. And one thing that they found

pro football focuses over time, clean pocket stats are sticky pressure under pressure. Stats are not sticky year after year. So that's something that stood out to me, but from the film, I just thought he looked really good. The ball came out really clean from his hand. He throws a heavy ball, tight spiral. The ball placement and the velocity was great on both in-breaking and out-breaking routes. Early in the game, late in the game, in the first quarter, he had really nice placement on an out route to Tank Dell with 728 to go in the first quarter. He converted a third and four in the first quarter with 758 left on a nice in-breaker to Nico Collins that he ripped the ball in. His best throw of the day by far, and someone else put this on Twitter was in the second quarter, nine 43 to go first and 10 under center

drop back off play action, hits his back foot turns and finds Nico calls in the second window of a deep dig route in breaker. And to throw the ball into the second window as a rookie in your second game playing, that's good stuff. I mean, that's between the second and third level of coverages. You got to throw that with anticipation. You're, you're, you're not taking the cheese and taking the bait to throw them into the first window. You're waiting for the receiver to get open into that second window. You're throwing before he breaks there, the touchdown to tank Dell. Like, yeah, it's a good play by tank Dell, but CJ style ripped that ball in there with pinpoint perfect ball placement and the velocity to allow Dell to turn up field.

The ball was out of Stroud's hand before Dell got out of his break. He threw it right to the spot. And that's why Dell was able to have all that space and all that time to turn up field and turn what really should have been a 10 yard out into a 23 yard touchdown. So I just felt like overall, he did a really good job. There were times like I've noted in the first quarter with one 26 to go third and seven, he didn't do a good job identifying the free rich rusher pre-snap and it was a sack. And that's going to happen. Like he's a rookie quarterback playing in a second game. There's going to be sacks that are on him because he doesn't do a good job pre-snap of identifying where the free blitzer is going to come. But man, he, I thought he had some great throws and he had a plan on second and eight. This is the final one. I'll go over with 1259 in the second quarter. I thought he did a great job changing the velocity and the trajectory of the

ball. He would have hit a big, big play there to Dalton Schultz on like a corner route that would have probably gone for 25, 30 yards, but it was tipped just at the last second by a second level defender. But between changing the arm angles, changing the velocity,

the trajectory, the ball placement, the anticipation, uh, anticipatory throws from CJ shout all in his second game as a pro, I was incredibly impressed. Dan's not taking the cheese today. I've never heard that before.

Not taking the cheese. Not taking the cheese. I mean, Sniffer, he's throwing a lot of things out there. He said 30,000 foot view like 30,000 times so far. I explained what a sniffer is. I know. It was good. I learned what it is.

Next time I see a sniffer, I'm going to... The Giants use it a lot, by the way. Mike Kafka uses Daniel Bellinger a lot in that regard. You'll see it. Okay. Well, let's go to our next topic. Justin Bellamy. Buy low on underperforming running backs.

Then he specifies Josh Jacobs, who had nine carries for negative two yards after having 19 carries for 48 yards in week one. And he said after week one that he was shaking off the rust. Remember, he missed most of the preseason. I watched his nine carries, and he didn't have much of a chance on them. Buffalo completely dominated up front on those nine plays anyway

against the Raiders. Josh Jacobs has 46 yards rushing on the year 54 of those 46 have come after contact he has negative eight yards before contact in two games um this is what we thought the raiders line would look like last year now it's just happening a year later yeah so i i mean what do you i think josh jacob is going to be you know pretty much a must start running back i i don't think he's going to play like a first rounder just because he's only done that once in four seasons going into this so look i love the receiving involvement this week yeah 60 percent route involvement raid um and then obviously the targets were there too that's

probably somewhat um because of jacoby me absence, but still cool, still exciting. There are just not that many running backs who play as much as he does, even if he's not going to be the third down back. He's still going to catch enough passes. He's going to score pretty much every running back rushing touchdown. So he's kind of like Ramondre Stevenson, probably with fewer catches.

Maybe he's a third round pick now. I mean, maybe he's going to be great. Maybe he's just shaking off theondre Stevenson, probably with fewer catches. Maybe he's a third-round pick now. I mean, maybe he's going to be great. Maybe he's just shaking off the rest and had two bad games. I would buy low on Josh Jacobs. Are there any running backs you guys would also buy low on? I don't think the studs

have really been bad enough. Jameer Gibbs. Yeah, you think so? Yeah. I don't think you can buy low on him, though, with the Montgomery injury. I think that window would probably close. Maybe.

What the hell? They brought Craig Reynolds in. I was going to say, buy low on him, though, with the Montgomery injury. I think that window would probably close. Maybe. What the hell? They brought Craig Reynolds in. I was going to say, he didn't play particularly well, and he didn't take over the role. Fair. I could see it. All right. This is a big opportunity for him because it looks like Montgomery is going to miss maybe two games. And I just hope they give him some carries.

I know he didn't do anything on the ground in week two, but he did in week one. I mean, we saw that game. Every time he touched the ball, he was making somebody miss. You could buy super low on Alexander Madison. I know that's disgusting, but the matchups have been brutal. The role is still there. We haven't seen Ty Chandler get involved at all, even though Madison seems to be struggling.

I love it. I love it. I'm glad someone else feels that way. I don't think he's going to be a league winner or anything, but I don't know who you'd turn into him don't would you trade kyron williams for madison no no okay you would prefer kyron yeah i i'm i am a little bit worried that madison might get the rug pulled um and like i i think kyron like say what you will about him as a player like the situation is amazing right now and there really is no one else there.

I like Zach Evans all right, but the Rams don't seem to. I think he's set up to just keep doing this, and he's completely liable for PPR. All right, last topic here. I guess last thing on that. If you want Madison, maybe you just make him part of a bigger trade. He's the other guy you get, and you buy low. Okay, Joey wants to know

what we think about Trevor Lawrence. And Lawrence had a really bad game. Let's see, he scored 9.2 fantasy points. They had so many almost touchdowns. But really, just a lot of credit on my end goes to the Chiefs defense. They played really, really well. Is anybody worried about Trevor Lawrence after two games?

His off target rate is up, which is weird. 17% this week, which is the fourth highest mark of any game of his career. And it's, I say it's weird because he's getting the ball out faster than ever in his average depth of target is down. So in theory, these should be easier throws to make. I don't know what to make of that. You watched him this week, be easier throws to make. I don't know what to make of that.

You watched him this week, right, Adam? Yeah, I remember one off-target throw. I think it was to Ingram in the back of the end zone on a fourth down. It was just a bad throw.

It could be a small sample size thing. I don't remember him being particularly inaccurate in this game, and I do remember a lot of short throws. There were four drops

in this game, too, and that hurt him. Yeah, I think it was just kind of a bad game for the Jags. That's kind of how I feel. You remember a lot of short throws. There were four drops in this game too. And that hurt him. Um, yeah, I think it was just kind of a bad game for the Jags. That's kind of how I feel. Not the super. Yeah. I'm not pushing the panic button.

Ridley got, I will say this. And mine just didn't look as good. So Ridley. Yeah. Well, that was credit to speed. Yeah.

You want him to win those matchups. If he's the guy we thought he was after week one? Well, as I told you guys, I have to go 10 minutes ago. So, Dan, you want to finish with your Rashad White thoughts? Yeah. Just a little bit.

Rashad White, I know. Look, we broke him down last week. It was a little unimpressive on his game film, and obviously he reached out to me in a nice way and just was like, yeah, you're right. I need to hit those holes. I feel like he did a really good job this week of actually just hitting

those holes, the cutback run from outside zone, uh, through the a gap on first and 10 in the first quarter was six, 17 to go for a seven-year gain. That was awesome stuff. And then on his touchdown run, he had immediate penetration from the right guard, push right back into his lap. He was patient. He didn't bounce that outside. He planted, he got vertical, pushed an extra two yards into the end zone after first contact, had a great two touchdown run out as well. And that was the second quarter, 10 58. And then one final thought I want to leave you guys on for this. The bears have now allowed, cause I was against the bears, right? And I will say this while I was impressed with a shot, right. For getting vertical and, and, you know, better processing that bears defense guys. I don't know if it's not going to be the worst defense

for the best matchup for fantasy all year. They've allowed 25, shout out Rich Rebar for this. They've allowed 25 points in 12 straight games. It's the longest streak. The longest streak ever is 13. So they're about to potentially break that. And that goes all the way back to 1964. They've added a lot of players at the second level, TJ Edwards and Jermaine Edmonds.

But, man, that run defense looked horrible in this game. Just horrible. Just so many holes. It was crazy to watch. And the Bucs O-line was struggling with blocking up holes last week. So I just think that's going to be an excellent matchup for running backs all season long. That would be Isaiah Pacheco in week three, by the way. And yeah, the Bears, I think right now

to me, it's the Bears, the Vikings, and the Giants are the three teams that come to mind where you're basically starting everyone against them. Those three teams look terrible on defense. All right. Thank you for another awesome episode of Beyond the Box Score. Jacob and Dan Schneier, great stuff.

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