Fantasy Football Today - Beyond the Box Score: What's Wrong With All of These Slumping Players!? (09/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

We're diagnosing a lot of slumping players like Brian Thomas Jr., Brock Bowers and Ashton Jeanty, First, we talk about Chiefs-Giants (4:40) and what we like about Patrick Mahomes through three games ...plus how we feel about Cam Skattebo going forward. And is Malik Nabers on bust alert? ... News and notes (14:30) and a look at important stats and snap counts (19:15). What did we learn about Jaylen Warren and Travis Hunter this week? Can we trust Hunter Henry going forward? ... Four Big Topics: Brian Thomas Jr. (27:45); the most consistent players in Fantasy (36:50) including the Chargers wide receivers and JK Dobbins; the struggles of Jeanty (51:00); how we feel about the elite tight ends (56:40) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Welcome everybody to Beyond the Box Score Monday, September 22nd. This is fantasy football today. presented by BEDMGM, the sports book Born in Vegas. And this is Beyond the Box Score, Advanced Stats, from Simple People. All right, welcome, everybody. I am wearing my Chiefs Red, not because I lost the bet, just because it was the first shirt, it was on top of the, you know, on top of the drawer.
Starting point is 00:00:44 I really thought the Giants were going to win. I thought I was going to have bragging rights over Jamie and Thomas in college football. The Yankees are about to beat the crap out of the white socks, so that's me over Dave. I thought I was going to have bragging rights over Jacob and Heath But it turns out because of Malik neighbor's horrible performance I'm only going to have bragging rights over Dan Because I am going to likely, likely beat him in the FFT league
Starting point is 00:01:07 Oh God, I hope that you somehow lose that game It is only I think I have like a 20 something percent chance According to the numbers, the projections There's never mean anything. So it's not over yet and you just victory lapsed already Maybe even jinxing yourselves But yourself, I should say Well, yourselves, you have two players in that league
Starting point is 00:01:23 And by the way, I saw you bench Trayvion Henderson, your third round pick that you swapped with me for James Cooks. I still got that win going for me. But I never had that feeling that you had and Jacob had that the Giants had any chance to win this football game. Because this game played out exactly as I thought it would. They'd have no chance offensively against Steve Spagnolo's defense. And that's exactly what we watched yesterday. It was really easy to take Malik Neighbors out of the game and Russell Wilson at the game. It was simply just play two split-safe.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I mean, Steve Spagnolo ran split-safe. covered on 79% of his snaps last night for the Chiefs. That was the third heights in his career as defensive coordinator. He essentially just played two guys' safeties, double over, press double over Malik, take him out of the game, and what can Russell Wilson do? Nothing. So that was the game.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Yeah. Well, it worked. Jacob, good morning or good afternoon. How are you? Good morning. I'm doing all right. It hurt me a little bit to hear you talk about not having bragging rights and talk about bring up the Yankees because like just a year ago,
Starting point is 00:02:21 you guys really hurt us. I heard the Royals, but it's like, you've already moved on. You don't care, but like that did matter to us. Yeah, that was like, I don't even remember. I didn't remember when Kansas City had a team. So today on the show, we're going to talk about Brian Thomas Jr. I'm going to tell you this. Four of the top nine wide receivers in drop rate right now are on the Jaguars.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Diami Brown is number one. Parker, Washington, number four in drop rate, and Travis Hunter and Brian Thomas Jr. are tied for seventh. They drop a lot of passes, including Brian Thomas Jr. We'll talk about him. We'll talk about Brock Bowers and Ashton Genty. We'll talk about the most consistent performers in fantasy football, and if they can keep it going,
Starting point is 00:03:01 and I definitely want to focus on those chargers-wide receivers, because so far, two of them have been among the most consistent in fantasy football. But let's start with the Chiefs 22 and the Giants 9, and Tyrone Tracy Jr. was off to a good start, and then he left with a shoulder injury, so that was pretty much the only major injury. Andrew Thomas played about half of the game, And then they were just taking it easy with him.
Starting point is 00:03:25 They removed him late in the first half. Jacob, what were your fantasy takeaways from this one? No one else probably cares about this, but I do. I was really hoping we would see Jalen Royals for the Chiefs, exciting rookie. He didn't get on the field at all, even his special team. So it was just the same old crew that we've seen, about a 50-50 split in the backfield with Marquis Brown,
Starting point is 00:03:47 Travis Hunter, Tyquan, Thornton, and Juju, Smith Schuster, playing like all of the snaps. saw those guys at a route rate above 70%. Taekwon made some place. Tyquan continues to look good, like the most explosive pass catcher that the chiefs had. And we saw the targets finally catch up to that. So like some of the separation data,
Starting point is 00:04:06 the charting there has supported that. In addition to just watching the games, like, wow, he kind of pops. Nine targets in this spot, tons of air yards. So he's someone to know potentially if Royals isn't able to get out there. They got him involved with some short, shorter catches and stuff as well. He had the most first downs for the Chiefs. But yeah, it's business as usual for the Chiefs. It's Mahomes. You hope that he can run. And if he doesn't
Starting point is 00:04:32 run, then he's not going to be that good for fantasy. And none of these guys are going to be good for fantasy. Scataboo, though. I got, I want to, I want to try to make you a little encouraged by Patrick Mahomes. Okay. Okay. The one thing that that I wanted to see, I think we all wanted to see was, is he going to push the ball downfield? Is he going to throw the ball deep? And so far. Patrick Mahomes is 10th in the NFL in past attempts. He is fifth in past attempts of five or fewer air yards. So he is throwing a lot of short balls. But he's also eighth in past attempts of 16 or more air yards, fourth in past attempts of 20 or more air yards. And he has the most past attempts of 30 or more air yards in football. Number two, by the way, is Russell Wilson.
Starting point is 00:05:13 And he is struggling on the past attempts of 20 or more air yards, four of 15, 16, 169 yards, and a touchdown. So far, actually pretty good on the really deep balls, 30 or more air yards. But he's doing all of this without Xavier Worthy and for what it's worth without Rishi Rice. So I'm somewhat encouraged by the offensive philosophy, the a dot, the air yards are way up,
Starting point is 00:05:33 but it's mostly just because he's still taking these really easy safe throws. He doesn't do a lot of intermediate stuff. But he's combining that with deep shots. He's scoring a lot of fantasy points on these deep shots, too. Remember, he drew a pass interference on a deep ball late in the second half that turned into three points. So I actually, I think Mahomes could actually really be, I don't know if he's going to be a league winner, but a really reliable starting quarterback most weeks if he comes back, if Xavier Worthy's back next week, which I expect, and he's still throwing the ball downfield a lot.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Love it. Yeah, the accuracy hasn't been good, but he delivered a really nice deep ball to Thornton that didn't, you know, he let hit the ground. Yeah, right. But yeah, it's good to see him being aggressive and pushing the ball down the field. This was my first time actually watching Mahomes live. I always feel like the best seat in the house in a football game is the 300 tier. I know people don't agree with this. For a junkie like me, I get to watch the All-22. Yeah, the live All-22. Just live All-22.
Starting point is 00:06:30 I was very thoroughly unimpressed with what I saw live from Mahomes in my first time watching it. Yeah, I hate to say it. The first half, he missed a lot of throws from Clean Pockets. Ball placement was just terrible, I thought, for him, for him. Now, it's not terrible compared to the rest of the NFL. But I just, I don't, like, we went over at this offseason, Jacob and I when we did our QB tiers. All the charting in the data said he's been really bad basically for 25 games from a catchable target rate standpoint. You know, ball placement 10 to 19, 20 plus, like you just mentioned at him.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And then to see it live, it was just kind of surprising to me. Like Herbert, the Giants will play Herbert next week. And I fully expect him to look a lot better as a throw over the football than what my home than what I just saw in the homes. But I think the key takeaway for fantasy in this entire game to me is Cam Scadaboo. You know, first of all, obviously, Tracy, like you said, looked good before he went down. Kudos to him. But Scadaboo proved once again that he can handle a big workload already with this team. And that was something that was always a big discussion point in the offseason.
Starting point is 00:07:29 He didn't play during the preseason much. He had once a few snaps at the end, didn't miss most of the training camp. Can he pick up blitzes? That was a big problem for him at Arizona State. And he even talked about this last week with one of the members of Giants. Tom. He looked good in past production two weeks in a row. He looks a natural receiving game. He's an explosive player. He actually live. It looked like, okay, he gets. Somebody like, oh, will he translate? You know, college to NFL. It's kind of tough to tell with his skill set. He's translating, man. He's explosive in space. He's explosive with his first step. He creates incredible amount of yards after contact. And I just want to shout out this tweet Jacob had earlier this off season, back during draft season. Just find it really interesting. Career scrimmage yards per game. 141 for Ashton Genti in college, 135 for Scataboo. Scrimony yards per game in 2024, 196 for Genti, 178 for Scataboo.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Career rushing success rate, 50% for Scataboo, 46% for Genti. Career avoided tackle rate, 38% for Genti, 35% for Scataboo. And then in 11 of 13 games against actual competition, Power 4 schools in 2024, he had 100 plus yards in 11 of those games. He is a phenomenal talent and not too far behind, at least by the numbers, Ashton Jentie. All right. We'll see. I mean, he's really slow for a running back.
Starting point is 00:08:48 Is he, though? He looked pretty explosive to me. I mean, deep speed, obviously, like 40-yard dash. Like, he's not going to break a 50-yard run, obviously. No, I mean, he could, right? Because if he does, it'd probably be because he ran three people over, which he can do. There was one run where I thought he tried to bounce outside and you could see he just got, I think he got caught up on the backside.
Starting point is 00:09:06 I don't know if you remember that if I'm making it out. But he also had a couple. of those plays that worked. That work when he bounced outside. Yeah. All right, look, I won't, I won't harp on the speed. The fact is he's got a really good opportunity here, especially if Tyrone Tracy misses time.
Starting point is 00:09:19 He has looked better than Tracy this year. He obviously can catch the ball. He was certainly one of the most productive running backs in college. So it's good stuff. And they did seem to open up some holes this week, which they haven't been able to do most of the year. Are you guys worried about Malik neighbors? And I think, honestly, if a team plays Dallas,
Starting point is 00:09:37 think about this for all of you, who have Caleb Williams or Roma Dunezay. I'm serious. If they play Dallas, it could make them look a lot better than they are. So Malik Neighbors, five catches, 71 yards on 12 targets in week one. That's 12.1 PPR fantasy points at Washington. Last night, two catches for 13 yards on seven targets.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Scored 37.7 fantasy points against the Dallas Cowboys. So, you know, I don't, it's like, I don't have the bandwidth to worry about Malik Neighbors. I'm already worried about 50 other players. I can't deal with it. I need someone that I thought was going to be good to be good. But I was worried about this with neighbors. And also, I was worried about the offense in general. I think Russell Wilson's overrated.
Starting point is 00:10:20 The moonball stuff. I'm sick and tired of hearing it. And I think Jackson Dart is going to be the quarterback maybe in week five. So maybe in week four. So, yeah, like, are we worried about Malik neighbors? I went through all the elite wide receivers yesterday last night. And I said, what round would you draft them in if we were drafting again today? so I'll ask you that about neighbors give me a round he was round two for me and that's basically
Starting point is 00:10:43 where he would be still like early round two um yeah i was talking my brother this morning he's lamenting about you know how tough it is having btj on your roster and it's like dude everybody from that range has been terrible nico collins it like he got a bust the play but other than that has not been doing anything for you obviously btj drake london like michael pinnox looks really bad um we thought that was a really good range and then it's been pretty awful for almost everyone from that range. It's funny because the back end, like, after that reign, and even if you want to throw into it,
Starting point is 00:11:13 aggressive drafters like you and I, Jacob Brock Bowers, who we'll talk about on today's show, that's also been a massive bust in that range. I know most drafted him a little bit after that. A.J. Brown was a bust in that range until this week. But honestly, you go further up top. It doesn't get that much better. Neighbors we talked about besides Pooka the God.
Starting point is 00:11:29 But like Justin Jefferson, I mean, okay game, but what are we expecting with Carson Wentz? And really, in my mind, with J.J. McCarthy. So Jamar Chase Everybody sucks Everybody sucks That's today's episode You see the
Starting point is 00:11:44 The bell cow backs Until they get hurt Are real deal players Christian McCaffrey Right Derek Henry Jonathan Taylor Josh Jacobs
Starting point is 00:11:53 And I know Jacobs didn't have his best game yesterday You know Christian McCaffrey has the second most catches in football Yeah This is what I thought
Starting point is 00:12:00 Would have This is why you draft him Where you draft him It's too much It's a 29% Target It's like anyone would get hurt with this kind of work. I mean,
Starting point is 00:12:09 he's just taking so many hits and I don't know. All right. I'm worried about him and Bucky Irving. Bucking Irving had 29 touches this week. Yikes. All right. That O line is collapsing. The Giant Stink and the Chiefs are
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Starting point is 00:13:11 what I asked the fellas yesterday. What round would you draft Trey Benson in? Good question. Four, five, four, five, something like that. Maybe earlier for me. Really?
Starting point is 00:13:27 I was a big Benson guy coming out of college. Yeah, he had the before his, before the injury, he had the second best force of his tackle rate ever charted. I think it, at the college level. Really explosive talent. And I do still believe in the Cardinals run game enough. Plus, they have a super easy schedule. So I think it would be probably closer to round three for me. I had 100% take him over Chase Brown. Yes. I think I'd take him over Travis ETN.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Yeah. Bidson or Giovante. Javante put him up there. We talked about him all last week. I'm beyond the Vox Corps. I am all in on Yvante Williams. I watched him this game. He looked awesome out there. good. Old Javante Williams out there on one of those runs. I was like, oh, my God, he's that. I know. But it needs to be healthy because that offense is just not the same without
Starting point is 00:14:13 lamb, and we could obviously see that, and it takes away his scoring ceiling. But there's no real reason Javante Williams can't have a good season. There's nothing behind him, and he's on a great offense. It's going to be playing from behind the entire year. All right. So that's an idea of where Trey Benson is. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:14:30 We're going to do more news and notes in a second, but we should really throw a break in here. So let's take a break. We'll talk about anything that you may have missed, but I think you pretty much know all the big injuries. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. All right, some more news items for you here. Naji Harris, the Achilles injury. We're expecting him to be out for the year.
Starting point is 00:14:48 C.D. Lamb says he feels good about playing next week, and that would be against the Green Bay Packers. Mike Evans, hamstring injury. I haven't seen an update there, and I have not seen an update on Terry McLaurin. It doesn't seem so bad with McLaurin. It's a quad injury. Not bad with Evans, right?
Starting point is 00:15:04 Didn't, yeah, I, yeah, didn't look great. I mean, it's so funny, it's so funny, but, you know, odd that Godwin's going to be back next week and now Evans. You're just thinking, what do I do with a Buka? He just keeps producing. Colson Loveland left with a hip injury. Carson Wentz is going to start next week. That's the first Europe game is Vikings Steelers and Tyrone Tracy with the shoulder injury and also Brian Dable did not commit to Russell Wilson in week four against the Chargers. man, what a tough slate
Starting point is 00:15:34 for Jackson Dart the next four games are Chargers, Saints Eagles, Broncos and then Eagles and the Niners again. It's just so tough. The next six games, five of them are don't.
Starting point is 00:15:46 I think they should, I think they should wait to put him in until the second half of the season and play Jamis right now. That's what I would do. As a Malik Neighbors manager, I also would do that.
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Starting point is 00:16:30 game sense remind you to play responsibly. See betmgm.com for terms, 21 plus only. All right, some snap counts and other stuff. Anybody got some stats they want to throw out? Career high in snaps and touches for both Bucky Irving and Jalen Warren, two of my favorites, Little Buff Boys. I hope they can hold up. Little Buff Boys. Little Buff Boys. What is Little Buff Boys? Squishing and scrunching. Is that I think you should leave? Little bodies. You don't know the buff voice? That's what I thought it was.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Good God. That is the funniest segment. It is so funny. I thought it was babies, though. Baby of the year. That's another one. Okay, okay. That's so funny.
Starting point is 00:17:16 You've got a new show coming out, Tim Rob. Yeah, I'm excited for that. The chair company. Yeah, it looks good. Very excited for that. Next month. All right. So career highs for Jalen Warren and Bucky Irving.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Anything else? I have some stuff. Let's hear it. Okay. Uh, Trey Tucker continues to play every snap, nearly every snap. Dylan Sampson played 8% of the snaps. So if you think Judkins is going to get suspended, then maybe don't drop Samson. Also, not to mention this was like the perfect game script for Judkins and no Samson,
Starting point is 00:17:47 where the Browns were actually in the game the whole time. They were in the game, but they were also trailing, but not by much. Yeah. Matthew Golden played 71% of the snaps, so that was encouraging. Travis Hunter, only 53% of the offensive snaps. Chase Brown, season low, 55.4% of the snaps. I meant to look more into that. I don't know if that was blowout stuff in the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:18:09 I think it may have been. Oh, look it up. And then, you know, Hunter Henry is really just, I'm mad. I'm just mad. It's like kind of liked him as a sleeper. He averaged about 10 ppr points per game with a healthy Drake May last year. And that's good, right? And then, you know, week one, he has a big game, and I picked him up.
Starting point is 00:18:27 I bought into it. I started them week two. The reason I bought into it is because Austin Hooper barely ran any routes in week one. And I remember last year, it was like every time I would buy into Hunter Henry last year, Austin Hooper would have the good game and Henry would do nothing. So week two, obviously I start Henry and he does horribly. And then week three, he does great. But Austin Hooper did have a 45% route participation rate for the second straight week.
Starting point is 00:18:49 So I don't know what to make of it. I think he could really help you at tight end, not Hooper, but Henry. but I don't think it's going to be consistent. That's kind of where I'm at. Like people were surprised I didn't list them as one of the most encouraging guys from week three in terms of usage and everything. And it was great. It wasn't just the production.
Starting point is 00:19:09 The usage was also great. And the connection could be there with May. But like we kind of saw this last year where it was up and down a lot. And now we have Josh McDaniels too. And it's just like, I don't. It's kind of like it's not like Troy Franklin at all. But like it reminded me of Troy Franklin where it's like, I want to buy in. There's reasons like anecdotal.
Starting point is 00:19:26 to think that this could be cool, but it's like Sean Payton at the end of the day, I don't really trust that he's not going to just like pull the rug at any point. Josh McDaniels, but I know what you meant there. No, I was correlal. Oh, you were going with that. Oh, my bad. I was comparing it to Payton. It's like those two coaches more than.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Yes, yes. Like who knows what they'll do any given week. On Chase Brown, he got like 73% snap right in the first quarter. They were giving it all to him, turn into zero rushing yards on five carries. And from that point on, it was more of like 50-50 split. In the first half, you had a 58% snap rate. If I asked you guys, who do you think, oh, so the last snap count thing I had was that Stefan Diggs, again, he played about half the snap.
Starting point is 00:20:03 So I think someone you might be dropping. I do think, you know, if you didn't watch it, Drake May, look, he makes mistakes. He had a couple of overthrows that should have been interceptions. He had an actual interception. He had a fumble. It's why I am hesitant with him. But there are just a lot of moments where he just looks so good. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:22 And could really have a big season. So I don't know that I'd want to drop Diggs But I don't think Diggs is going to be the reason He has a big season I think at one point he had completed passes To eight different receivers And that's just a good It goes back, harpins on what Jacob said about
Starting point is 00:20:36 Josh McDaniels They're going to spread the ball around I've got a few more snap rates So on the Sean Payton note Tyler Beatty barely played Badee barely played at all But neither did Harvey Yeah
Starting point is 00:20:47 I think They didn't run a lot of plays Jacob they ran like 40-something plays 48 plays or something Below 50 plays anytime you see that That's an outlier but yeah i think that that is a good thing eventually and just in general it's give her fantasy because you can't do anything with him but like that's better for dobbins and or harvey potentially
Starting point is 00:21:04 um darnell mooney full-time player seems to be good to go we just need more than zero points 82% snap rate for troy franklin so we did see it back-to-back weeks that's good marian hampton up to 79% it was like basically all the snaps after nausea was out camp scadaboo 70% after the injury so he was like pretty much full-time workhorse there and Christian Kirk, 68% in his first game back, mostly playing in the slot. Travis Hunter, down to 53% again. Ramandre Stevenson, 35% double fumble game.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Travian Henderson's rate was 84% following the fumbles from Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. So it was like, we're just giving it to him. We'll see what it's like next week, but that's what it was like this week at least. Until, sorry to butt in, until the last drive of the game. And this is what bothers me a little bit. the last drive of the game, they put Stevenson back in. So when it really mattered most, maybe for pass blocking, they had Stevenson in. After the game, you know, Stevenson, I guess they said that we need you to your big part
Starting point is 00:22:05 of this team. He said, yeah, well, they don't, they're not going to need me if I keep fumbling. So I felt bad for him. Yeah. But yeah, it's an issue. For sure. Yeah. I'm not, yeah, I'm not buying that like, we're going to get 84% Trayvion going forward.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah, yeah. Probably not. The only other one is only 30% for Luther Burden. So don't, I'm not. I don't expect a big change here, really. I like, we did see, like, Ben Johnson come out firing with some of these plays designed for Luther Bird and designed for Colson Loveland if you got hurt, unfortunately, hip injury for Loveland. But it wasn't like a full-on role expansion. It was just like, we got a deep play to him.
Starting point is 00:22:41 And basically, other than that, he just kind of played the same role. It's just like a slow build is where we're at with Burden, I think. Yeah, and it was the flea flicker, right? And he thought for that long. It was a slow developing flea flicker. crazy to watch. But the Cowboys are just so inept. It worked.
Starting point is 00:22:57 And that's the other thing with the burden thing. It's like he'll be a heavy free agent, you know, pick up this week waiver wire guy. But I think you're better off just targeting whoever's playing that Cowboy secondary. Dave Richard is in the in the chat, I believe, when he's I amming me privately in saying that Tyrone Tracy has a dislocated shoulder. Oof. That's tough news.
Starting point is 00:23:16 That's not great. Yeah. I don't even, what does that even mean from a, I don't know what the timeline is on an injury like that. It's got to boo. time. I mean, maybe Tracy comes back and cuts into it at some point, but to me, it's just like it's scadaboo time until he gets hurt because he's spearing everyone, every single play. That is the other thing about him. He just uses his helmet for everything. He's like, I'm going to
Starting point is 00:23:36 chip block this, this rusher here. Oh, he's crazy. His ribs. Yeah, he is a little nuts. Todd Bowles says that Mike Evans going to have an MRI, but it seems low grade right now, but they won't know until tomorrow if Evans is going to have to miss any time. I was going to ask you guys before I got into that Stefan Diggs thing, if you were going to guess, not right now, but at the end of the season, when we do our superlatives and we say, who was the
Starting point is 00:24:03 biggest bust of 2025? I'm thinking it's going to be Chase Brown. Really? That's kind of where I'm at. I think he might just be so bad. Well, I kind of agree with that. I traded him away last week in one league. I think we've got too many live candidates at the
Starting point is 00:24:19 very top. That's what I'm saying. What about Brian Thomas Jr.?. They're invested much more heavily than Chase Brown. I'm more confident in Brian Thompson Jr., and I don't think it was, Brian Tompsterner wasn't going that much earlier than Chase Brown. Like, if you want to say,
Starting point is 00:24:30 Jamar Chase, maybe. Genty. Ashty and Jentee and Chish Brown are like the exact same thing right now. Like, they're the two running backs that have negative yards before contact. And the entire NFL, there's two running backs that have negative yards for contact through three games.
Starting point is 00:24:42 It's those two. Good point. Gentie is probably big boss right now. I think that Jentee's better and I think that Gino's better than what we've got with Jake Browning. So like, hopefully it gets better. But if it doesn't, if it keeps being like this.
Starting point is 00:24:52 true. He's not playing passing downs. He literally only had rushes this week. Yeah. Genty. That's a terrible fantasy player. That's not what you want at all. Good point. They could just throw to him on first and second down. That would be awesome. Right. They could do that, but they haven't been. Yeah, Genti is a topic. Let's get to our four big topics as we just talked about two of the guys here, Brian Thomas Jr. So topic number one from Ryan, year two of Brian Thomas Jr. is not starting off well. He has seven catches for 115 yards on 12. 25 targets in three games. Brian Thomas Jr. has three drops. He had six last year, and he has a 28% catch rate. He also doesn't really have a good schedule. In fact, I'm going to ask Dave what the Jaguars' rest of season schedule is because Dave tracks all that.
Starting point is 00:25:41 And it's just not that great. But, yeah, so where are you guys on him? And he is, yeah, a huge bust so far. I wish I had something to add. If you want to watch all of his drops, you know, you can watch his targets. They're on, I made a cut up of it for you. No, like he's, it feels like he's overthinking things or whatever. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:26:05 It seems like, like, if all of these drops were scattered over the course of a full season, it would just be normal plays. That's the thing is he's dropping these in a variety of different ways, like where it's like he's about to try to turn and make yak, and he just like doesn't quite hold on to it. Or he's like making a catch. and somebody knocks it out, and it's like, that happens to anybody. But the fact that they've all been here at the beginning of the season is like,
Starting point is 00:26:30 is he just going to keep doing this? Like, can we not use him? I don't know. I think, like, the fact that he's so talented and that a lot of the things in the offense are working, you could, in theory, buy him, you know? And this might well be the absolute cheapest he'll be. Because really the rest of the offense is working. The run game is working.
Starting point is 00:26:52 downy brown targets are working Parker Washington targets are working Britain Strange targets are working like the offensive line is playing better than expected everything is working except for BTJ and Hunter it to me just feels like there's all this pressure around getting those guys working
Starting point is 00:27:09 and if we can get into a normal groove here which there are they two and one or three and oh or something like that they're two and one they lost to the banos yeah I don't know like I feel like maybe the fantasy side of things like makes this feel more intense than it really is. And, like, actually, things are going pretty well for what they're trying to do there
Starting point is 00:27:27 with a new coach, having Hunter play both sides and everything. Obviously, the BTJ stuff sucks, but, like, it wouldn't surprise me if it gets on track and then it's really cool. Yeah. This is an image I'm showing here on the screen, YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. This is him having a step on Derek Stingley, who didn't play much in this game. And I said in our pregame show, you know, our start or something like, he's going to beat Derek Stingley.
Starting point is 00:27:50 He's going to get past him. I don't know that the quarterback. and get him the ball, though, accurately. And on this play, Lawrence made a pretty good throw. Thomas went up and he tried to, you know, kind of high point it. And I think Stingley may have knocked it out of his hands. I'm not sure if we consider this a drop. It was a tough play.
Starting point is 00:28:05 But he had an opportunity here for a big play. Here, look here. He said he's pretty much wide open. And then it says, sack you. Wah, ha, ha, ha, right? This could have been a touchdown if Lawrence makes it. He never had a chance to see him, though. The game's not over yet.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Also, yeah, the same. Safeties, I don't know why the safeties for the Texans are saying, hey, did you hear Adam beat Dan in the FFT League? They are. This game's not over yet. That's the crazy part. Like, I can easily win tonight. You could win if St. Brown is a big game. But yeah, look, there weren't a lot of opportunities.
Starting point is 00:28:37 There were those, though. Even if he didn't have the other two drops, those were probably shorter plays anyway. But I don't know. The thing is, like, Tyree kill had a wrist injury last year, and it really affected him. I can't tell if it's affecting Brian Thomas Jr. it's obviously not affecting the way he runs i'm still i'm still optimistic i want to buy in he's just too talented so dan how about you so when he came out of the of lsu into the draft there were he wasn't a perfect prospect right he had insane size speed combination so like why wouldn't he
Starting point is 00:29:11 be a top five top 10 pick there were issues with one concentration drops two did he run the full route tree do they expect him to run a full route tree i think the second aspect he proved in his rookie season he can do he can run any route but the concentration drops like i watch that entire cut up you put up jacob there's two things going on there there's multiple just concentration drops which is just weird and then there's also just like a lack of like when odo remember when odo beckham junior broke out with the giants one thing he credited to his breakout was that he works so hard on grip strength then that's why he doesn't drop passes and that's why he's able to make these catches i feel like there was at least one target i watched on that
Starting point is 00:29:47 cut up jacob did where he should have caught the pass and the ball got knocked out i'm not like crediting the DB there with a good play. I'm taking it away from Brian Thomas, who doesn't have the strength to keep that ball in. Like, he should not have lost that football. And then finally, on his big play of the game, I watched it back on tape, and it was simply just a coverage breakdown,
Starting point is 00:30:05 a coverage bust by the Texas. You can see the outside corner over the top of him at the start of that play. He's playing off coverage with outside leverage, and he's supposed to take the outside receiver. And you could watch after the play, he and the other Dback look at each other like, what the heck happened there? I had outside leverage.
Starting point is 00:30:19 why am I expected to follow Brian Thomas on an in-breaking route? And so they just kind of threw their hands up at each other, like what happened there. So I don't even want to give him too much credit for that. Like he looked explosive on it post-catch, but he had a lot of space because it was a coverage bus. So I don't know, man. I was expressing a lot of concern with Thomas last week on our Beyond the Boxcores show and where we were ranking him moving forward. And I'm just like not really in on him.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Parker Washington has a 19% explosive reception rate ahead of Malik Neighbors Jamar Chase, George Pickens, D.K. Mekap, Tyree, Rickill at Jalen Waddle. 11 targets. 2.2 yard per run rate, which is also excellent just for the chat because they're telling me that that's four, he had four catches this week on 11 targets. That's not working.
Starting point is 00:31:03 It truly has all been working. I just like wanted to shout out Liam Cohen. I don't know how good he is as a head coach, but the office is working pretty well outside of two players. One thing it's not, one thing it's not working. Trevor Lawrence is one of 10 for 23 yards on past attempts of 10 or more air yards. So they have no...
Starting point is 00:31:19 Even on that bomb to Thomas, that wasn't really a good throw. He shouldn't have to rise up and catch it kind of behind him. Yeah, honestly, there are some... Deep balls are tough. I talk about this a lot. Oh, you missed them on a deep ball.
Starting point is 00:31:31 That happens all the time. They're difficult. I haven't seen a lot of on those... I looked at his throws, his 11... I guess it was 10 throws. I thought it was 11. Usually, there's only one, I think, where a guy was kind of open
Starting point is 00:31:43 and it was a difficult throw, too. These guys are being covered. It's not like he's missing wide open guys. downfield. He's 0 of 5 on past attempts to Brian Thomas Jr. of 20 or more air yards. So that's the one thing that has not clicked. Michael
Starting point is 00:31:56 Panics, Joe Flacco, and Trevor Lawrence have been the three worst in the NFL in terms of 20 or more air yard throws. They are a combined 4-432 on 20 or more air yards throws. All right. So let me just finish off with this. I'm going to give you a few
Starting point is 00:32:14 players. You tell me, would you rather have Brian Thomas Jr. or Quentin Johnston and Keenan Allen. I still think Brian Thomas Jr. BGJ. Yeah. Cortland Sutton. BGJ.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Oh, wow. I'll take I think I'll take the safety of Sutton. Same. Javante Williams. Oh. I can't even believe how high I am on Javante Williams
Starting point is 00:32:45 rest of season. It's like unbathomable. Come on. What are you going to do? You know what? All things equal, I'll go with BTJ. But if you're like one and three, would you trade BTJ for Jvanté right now? And that's how you answer this question. So I would not do that. So BTJ. Okay. All righty. Um, let's take a break. We got three more big topics when we come back, including who are the most consistent fantasy options through the first three weeks. We'll be right back. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside.
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Starting point is 00:33:35 Who are the most consistent fantasy options through the first three weeks of football? This is from one year or our year, pardon me, on Twitter. Did you guys have the name? Did you want me to lead this? You can lead it. You hit most of the ones that I was looking at. Yeah, I only have running backs and wide receivers so far. So Jonathan Taylor, 17 or more carries, two to three catches on two to four targets in each game.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Christian McCaffrey has scored between 22.7 and 24.0 PPR fantasy points in all three games. And he's done that with only one touchdown in three games. Are you guys concerned about McCaffrey? His longest run so far is 15 yards. his longest run last year was 19 yards. So now that's 102 carries over the last two seasons and he doesn't have a 20-yard run. That did happen earlier in his career.
Starting point is 00:34:26 2020, what was it? 2020 and 2021. Those two seasons, he only had 158 carries. He missed a lot of time and he didn't have a single run over 20 yards. So it is a small sample. But again, it's 102 carries over the last two years without a 20-yard run for Christian McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Does that bother you guys at all? I'll take this one. In the same way that it doesn't bother me, in reference to Kim Skataboo, it does not bother me when we talk about Christian McCaffee. They're basically the exact same player from a fantasy profile right now, except one place for the 49ers, one place for the Giants. Well, I'll say this. I feel like that was very Azer, on the wrong side of an Azer stat.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Like, I'll tell you why I say that. We're using this like, it hasn't happened in two years. Well, last year he was injured the whole year and then playing through the injury and he didn't even play at all. So, like, I don't know if I could stretch that back that hasn't happened two years with such a limited sample size the year before. But I think it's a function of the 49ers offense right now, which I think is what Jacob was alluding to. It's not a very good offense. They're not as good as they used to be in the blocking game.
Starting point is 00:35:25 A lot of that will change in my mind when Purdy gets healthy and when Ayo gets back on the field. One of the things that's underrated about Iyx games, he's a great block around the perimeter. All right. James Cook has been very consistent. He only had four games last year with 19 or more carries. he already has two this season. Javante Williams has been very consistent. And I love 11 catches in the last two games for Javante Williams.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Here's a guy that's been consistent, but maybe you want to sell if this is really his role. Travis E.T.N. 14 to 16 carries in all three games, but only two to three targets in all three games. Like, obviously that could change in a heartbeat. Jacob and I were joking, as I was saying, how Josh Jacobs has this 3% target per out run rate
Starting point is 00:36:07 going into week three. They never throw him the ball, one target in two games. They had nine targets yesterday. So obviously it could change. But ETN, the thing, if you missed it is touchdown against the Texans yesterday, they let him score. So they wanted to get the ball back. So if he doesn't have that touchdown, he is a pretty lousy game. And I think, again, it's kind of a tough schedule.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Dave says that Brian Thomas Jr. has kind of a middle of the pack schedule going forward. ETN has the Niners, the Chiefs, the Seahawks, the Rams, then a buy, then the Raiders, who have a really good run defense so far than the Texans. It looks kind of rough for E.T.N. J.K. Dobbins. Let me get your thoughts on him. He has scored, I think, probably the most consistent player,
Starting point is 00:36:50 14.8 to 15.5 PPR fantasy points in all three games. And in the last two games, the Broncos have run 54 and 48 plays. So very low volume there. But who's buying J.K. Dobbins as a must-start R.B.T. two, a high-end RB2 going forward.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Real quick, and then I want to hear Dan's thoughts on Dobbins for sure, because he was higher on me than Dobbins this year and he looks good so far. How I approached this question was I look at Fantasy Points Datta's expected Fantasy Points model to see which running backs were like consistently finishing top 20-ish. I think that's our best bet is like the usage that's getting them there rather than maybe the fantasy points. And two guys that stood out. You've already mentioned one of them was Giovante. He was running back 12, then running back 9, then running.
Starting point is 00:37:38 running back 15 in XFP week over week. Another one was Jalen Warren, running back 20, and then running back 16, and then running back three this week in XFP. And last week, it was looking like a top five finish before it became a blowout. Dobbins, his usage worries me a little bit, but I think it could get better. Like we mentioned, like Badee saw his role scaled back, and we know the Broncos have thrown the ball to the running back position a lot, and that's why his XFP numbers aren't so highs because he really hasn't had a lot of targets yet.
Starting point is 00:38:08 But with that said, running back 27 and XFP in week one and then running back 14 last week, running back 31 this week. So he's getting there through efficiency. He's making plays on his own, which he's always done. Running back one in yards per carry since entering the NFL at 5.2, J.K. Dobbins. So what do you think, Dan? What have you seen on film? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:30 So Dobbins, the player was really high on the fuck. I wish I was a little higher, but the Harvey factor kind of threw me off a bit. But death taxes and Sean Payton running backs being consistent successful forces in the fantasy football game is really where we're at. And for those who want the stats behind that, I don't have in front of me, but just type into Google, Dave Richard, because he wrote an excellent article on it, plus Sean Payton plus CBS sports. And I think you'll get the article that he wrote up with all his research from when Sean Payton was traded to the Broncos. And it dates back through his history as a play caller. And you just consistently see running backs as success stories, the fantasy level. And right now, Dobbins is the guy in that backfield.
Starting point is 00:39:06 I know, you know, the snap rates aren't perfect. It's kind of like a James Cook type situation to me where you're not going to get that bell cow roll, but you're going to get impactful, effective snaps and touches for this player. And Dobbins, like Jacob said, is in that cook range of averaging five yards per carry over that for his career. Like, that's how effective he is. He's really good at manipulating the blocks. He's really good at running with pacing. So I'm still high on him moving forward.
Starting point is 00:39:30 And I also feel like this Broncos offense hasn't even taken a step yet. like their step behind where they could be, which would mean even more scoring opportunities for Dobbins. Yeah, Bo Nix was really close to having a huge game yesterday, just a lot of deep balls that were just off the fingertips or something like that. Jalen Warren's also been extremely consistent. Oh, last thing on Dobbins, the Broncos have three running back carries from the five-yard line or closer.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Dobbins has all three of them. Jalen Warren's been very consistent, as Jacob mentioned. The wide receivers that I highlighted, Pooka Nakuas just rolls out of bed and scores 20 people. P.R points. He hasn't caught a touchdown yet, has he? No. Right? So he's just been amazing. JSN, 96 or more yards in all three games, 18.3 to 20.6 PPR fantasy points in each game. Keenan Allen and Quentin Johnson are really the two I wanted to talk about here.
Starting point is 00:40:20 I mean, this is where it gets super interesting. I can't think of a team that had three top 24 wide receivers in the same year. Now, there was a year where the Carolina Panthers had, I think it was DJ Moore, Robbie Anderson, and Curtis Samuel, but Samuel had a lot of rushing production. And they, and they, like, led the NFL in past attempts or they were close. So this Chargers offense is fascinating. Quentin Johnston yesterday had, I don't have his numbers, I think he had 71 yards yesterday.
Starting point is 00:40:52 He was actually shadowed by Patrick Sartan yesterday. Not on every single route. There were some routes where he started out on Sartan, then he ran kind of over the middle of the field. They were in zone coverage, so he didn't end up on Sertan. But that's the treatment he got yesterday. Keenan Allen,
Starting point is 00:41:09 Keenan Allen's about 55 yards every game and caught a touchdown every game. Ladd McCocky is the number 42 wide receiver in fantasy in PPR right now. He's last among those three in targets. He has seven fewer targets than Allen. He has three fewer targets than Quentin Johnston. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:41:26 But this team, they are pass heavy. They're 12th in pass rate. They're fifth in. pass rate in the first three quarters of games. They're ninth in pass rate in any quarter when the score is within seven points, when the margin is within seven points. So that's what they've been so far. But it just doesn't, I don't know how this happens unless Justin Herbert is very possible,
Starting point is 00:41:48 by the way, you know, 4,800 or more yards approaching 40 touchdowns. Then you can get three must-star guys. Right now you only have two guys who have been must-start. You know, McConkey's been a huge bus. But anyway, every week, Johnston and Allen are putting up their numbers. So, Jacob, your thoughts on this Chargers passing game. Yeah, even in this match against the Broncos and Sartan, really wildly impressive to see what we're seeing from QG.
Starting point is 00:42:17 I did not expect to see QJ's targets that high. On the McConkey, no, I definitely think he's still a buy. I'm going to watch, I plan to watch every route that he ran if I have time before we do our next episode day. man to confirm that for people that there's not because last year I watched literally every route that this guy ran and I was obsessed with him and I just want to make sure that he looks the same but what I've heard from like Mount Harmon is that he does look the same and so to me it's like we've got all these other pieces to threaten people now we finally got the run game going here
Starting point is 00:42:48 this week and the team is still passing so much that it's like if you would have told me these were the circumstances for McConkey going into the year I would have ranked him up in that range of receivers who are killing us right now. Drake London, Nico, all those guys. But I legitimately think that's where he would have belonged. The stat I've got on the screen, though, I think it's just really fun and interesting. Not on today's show sheet or anything, but like Joanne Jennings looks identical to Ladd-McConkie. In fact, even a little bit better if you look at all of the per-rout data since the start of last year. So both of them kind of like broke out last year it's a weird comparison because
Starting point is 00:43:26 McConkey's a rookie and Jennings isn't but like Jennings had always been a part-time player and was going into last year so he had a bit of a slow start but on a per opportunity basis I just want to highlight this because like he's so good and like the McConkey numbers are still really good right fantasy points were outrun 4.48 for Jennings 0.45 for McConkey very similar average depth of target
Starting point is 00:43:48 more targets going to Jennings and as you look at the situation now it's like McConkey has more clear target competition we're seeing that come to fruition, whereas Jannings has basically just Pearsall, I don't think, I think CMC's 29% target share is like by necessity. So I think that's going to probably scale back a little bit when we get everybody back and healthy. So I just wanted to mention him as a clear buy because I do still think McConkey is, I'm not
Starting point is 00:44:13 worried. Like, I know it sucks the way it's gone, but I think he's such a good player that we'll have some huge weeks soon to make up for it. And I think Jennings, you can mention the same vein. do you want to see some just crazy stats on Pooka Naku and Jackson Smith and Jigba? Sure. So what I've got here first off on Puka, his air yardage continues to increase, which I think is notable because like we've mentioned that he's playing more slot reps now with Cooper Cup gone.
Starting point is 00:44:41 And so this surprised me, but it's just like things are so ridiculously hyper-concentrated on these two players for the Rams right now with Puka and Devante Adams. and we've just continued to see these numbers increase year over year for Puka who had the most historically unprecedented rookie season we've ever seen and he just keeps getting better he just keeps adding to his game for his career now he's averaging over three yards per route run
Starting point is 00:45:05 which during the time that we have yard per route run available it's like dating back to 2013 no receiver has done over a three year span ever at any age let alone their first freaking three years in the league the guy's just nuts the really, really interesting thing to me here, as it pertains to both Puka and then surprisingly,
Starting point is 00:45:29 Jackson Smith, Igba is this. So dating back to 2013, we have four instances of a wide receiver averaging over four yards per outrun with a route rate, the percentage of the team's dropbacks where they ran a route of 80% or higher. I do think that qualifier is really important because if you don't have it, you get some like the Sean Jackson seasons where he just had some crazy long touchdowns at the beginning of the year that inflated the yard per route run number or like Michael Gallup was somebody who popped up where he was like not quite a full-time player
Starting point is 00:45:59 and he had a really good year I'm talking about a second season in the league but like these are guys who from the get go are clearly instituted as the wide receiver one in their offense they're playing a ton and they're averaging a ridiculous yard per route run number the only four that have done it we have two this year puka and json 2015 Antonio brown 2023 tire kill AB had 388 PPR points, Tyreek had 376. If I dropped the threshold to 3.5 yards per route run rather than four just to give us a larger group, it's still an insane group. The lowest PPR point total is A.J. Green at 274, which for reference, that would have been wide receiver of four in points per game last year. You've got AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Mike Evans of 2018, several Tyree Kill seasons, Debo Samuel's 2021 season, Cooper Cups,
Starting point is 00:46:51 21 season, Julio Jones in 2015, we're looking at receivers through three games, 3.5 yards per route run or higher with an 80% route rate. Jackson Smith and Jig was at 4.68 yards per route run. So I don't know if we can believe in this offense and no, it's not going to sustain this type of efficiency all year. But anytime we've ever seen anything like this, it's been a monster fantasy season. Awesome. Great stat. Great stuff. I love that.
Starting point is 00:47:22 All right. Let's just wrap this up. One more name I need to throw in the mix, though, that we didn't talk about. Can I ask you? Let me just wrap this. Would you just try to, would you buy, sell, hold, Quentin Johnston, and Keenan Allen? I would hold on Johnston and sell potentially Keenan Allen. All right. What did you want to add? I wanted to add another player that deserves to be in the mix here, Devante Adams, just watching that game. And we saw it from week one.
Starting point is 00:47:55 We knew he would kind of break out in week two. I was trying to tell everyone a trade for him. He broke out to some extent. Then this past week, it wasn't great from an overall numbers besides the touchdown. They were really, really close, Stafford and Adams on two more touchdowns. And this is just looking exactly like we've seen in the past with the Rams, concentrated offense, those two players. And that connection and that rapport will get better as the season goes on. And I think Adams will be a weekly top 12 player as we move forward with Puka as well being that.
Starting point is 00:48:22 All right. Our next topic is about Ashton Genty from unsheaped Patriot on Twitter. What should managers do with Ashton Jenty? Seventy carries for 63 yards at Washington. He's had a pretty tough schedule. It'll get a little bit easier, especially this week against the Bears. But there are obviously some other worrying signs here for Genti. so what do we do?
Starting point is 00:48:47 C.D. Lamb, high ankle sprain, four to six weeks. Get out of here. Making news. That's brutal. Goes from saying we're going to play next week to four to six. Yikes for my teams. As far as Gentie goes, though.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Jacob, I'll let you start here. Yeah, so the stand I've got on the screen here is fantasy points per touch among the running backs. And of course, I really just wanted to highlight him, facial tune him from last week. And of course, Cam Skadaboo and then our boy Bill, but down at the very bottom here, below Kalmanangai, below Hamarion, Hampton, we find Ashton Genti. He's getting a lot of touches. I think this number will increase, but it's kind of what I alluded to earlier where it's like, he's not getting any receptions. And we know that receptions and targets are worth so, so much more fantasy points than rush attempts. So it's just really, it's not a good equation right now.
Starting point is 00:49:40 He's battling. He's doing everything he can. But, like, you're not getting fantasy points. And in the right game. I'm going to keep starting him. I'm sorry, I have to interrupt. I just want to say one thing. It is not, C.D. Lamb is not out four to six weeks.
Starting point is 00:49:54 CD Lamb might be out four to six. The report was it's a high ankle sprain, which is usually four to six weeks. What I saw earlier today was that it's less severe. They think it's a less severe high ankle sprain. So I'm still waiting to figure out that aspect of it. He's not necessarily out four to six weeks. High angle sprains, unfortunately, can be an injury that, that, you know, could take a while.
Starting point is 00:50:15 You could not come back right from it. It saw like with Jonathan Taylor once upon the time. Tart J. Spears has a high ankle sprained. He is on IR. So I'm not ruling that out. But right now cannot sit here and say with confirmation of any kind that C. D. Lamb has any timetable. We just don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:31 That was just a report from Rapport. So I was just putting it in there. But as far as Gentie goes, Jacob mentioned it best. And you put this on Twitter. I mean, everything he's done this year has been on his own. essentially he gained 145 of 143 yards after contact what does that mean it means that they can't block and create in the run game here i watched every snap that you did a cut above jacob from this past week and they're like they're running out a pistol which they were not finding a lot of success from
Starting point is 00:50:58 the most success they found like they found success on one pistol run where they had the sniffer come around and they took them out but a lot of the time washington was just slanting in and just stopping these runs all the runs inside were not working for the raiders there was one time they went under center, and I think they ran either duo or inside zone, and it worked. He made a nice cut, got after it like a 15-17-year game. But outside of that, it just feels like there was not a lot of room to run for Ashton Gentie. And this has basically been the story for three weeks. And we knew going in, the Raiders' offensive line didn't have a lot of talent. We thought, all right, maybe they'll figure it out. They have Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly has not, in my mind,
Starting point is 00:51:36 done a great job so far. And we'll get to that on the Bowers discussion later, but I have not liked what I've seen. I've watched two of those games now on tape those Raiders. games. It has not looked pretty. Ashton Gentie or Cam Scadaboo. Genty. Both play for bad teams. One of them catches passes. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:54 The Giants don't, neither team has to be this bad. It's actually not a bad point though. Like, if Gensi's not giving these long touchdown runs, what is he offering more than Scadaboo when we know Scadbu is going to get a lot of receptions? Look, the way this works is in three weeks we could be talking about, oh, well, now the Raiders are using Ash and Genti so differently. Look what they've done the last three, right? I mean, if they don't start using them in the passing game, then they're dumb.
Starting point is 00:52:20 I said Gentie, too, but somebody posed in the chat and was like, that's insane, but it's actually a decent conversation to have. Like, we'd probably do Gentie because if Tracy's coming back in three weeks from the shoulder injury projected, then they could still be back in a split. But it's like what Jacob said. It's not exactly a bell cow role for Gentie anyway right now. He's not on the field for passing dance. No, that does stink.
Starting point is 00:52:44 He has more than 60. He has 16 or more carries. He is 17 or more carries in two of his three games. All right. Well, again, it's been a tough schedule for him. Washington does have a pretty good run defense. Patriots have had a good run defense. Chargers are just good.
Starting point is 00:52:58 And he gets the Bears this week. Hopefully you can keep things going, get things going. But it's not that easy of a schedule going forward for him. Okay. The Raiders, by the way, are super pass-heavy. They're fifth in pass rate so far. And that metric, when the score is,
Starting point is 00:53:12 within seven points second in pass rate. Only Cleveland has a higher pass rate than the Raiders. They can't run the ball and they know that. All right,
Starting point is 00:53:21 so we can talk a little bit more about the Raiders now because our last topic is about tight ends. Free says, are we done taking tight ends in round two or three? And I would say no.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Obviously, I would have loved to see how things played out with George Kittle. He basically played one quarter and had a big quarter. I think McBride's been fine. And I think,
Starting point is 00:53:41 don't forget, you can't just focus on whether or not the tight ends have been busts. How many busts have there been in rounds two and three? How many busts have been in round one, right? Don't be too hard on the tight ends. I do think, you know, one thing that we'll have to explore every year is if we should just stop criticizing the people who take Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and all these guys
Starting point is 00:54:03 ahead of. True. Trey McBride or these guys who, you know, these elite quarterbacks are, I burrows out. for the year, basically, I know. But they're basically the safest players in football. And that doesn't necessarily mean they're safe.
Starting point is 00:54:18 They could be bad, right? They could be bad. I don't think bad. They could just get injured. The Holmes, the last two years has been a huge bus. He's not a league, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:24 He's not fantasy-wise. He was, though. He was drafted as is the last two years. I'm not saying that you can't have a bus there. But I do think, like, that's the one discussion that's kind of interesting is maybe we should just stop taking these young running backs
Starting point is 00:54:36 that we think could be good and just draft Josh Allen, who's had two huge games. Anyway, but are we done taking tight-ed? in round two or three. The last, I'll let you guys talk for all. I just want to say this.
Starting point is 00:54:47 You know, I watch tape, not all that well, but I have about a 50% confidence level in the assessment I'm about to give. Okay. I watched some of Brock Bowers' routes from week one and compared them to some of his routes from week three, and I believe the knee is hampering him. I don't think he looks the same.
Starting point is 00:55:05 I saw a lot of, like, really nice cuts to get open in week one. And I don't, I don't really see that. that in week two, it looks like he's more gliding than cutting to me. In week three, I'm sorry. So I think the knee is an issue for Brock Bowers. Definitely.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Pete Carroll said, like, after their week two game, like they were just trying to get him out there and playing, and he looked okay. Like, I don't know. That doesn't sound like a player who's healthy. He might need a buy week at this point. He definitely didn't look as explosive as he normally does,
Starting point is 00:55:37 but I also feel like this was my biggest concern. And I drafted a lot of Bowers because I felt like the price was right. he was being priced beyond like below that the where he was drafted in snake drafts and the auction drafts because no one wants to spend a tight end but my one concern with and and i've drafted him because i thought he's a generational town which i still believe he is even though he might be playing her and that could take it back but my one concern which is proving to be true at least from watching the tape this week against uh the washington commanders is they designed the entire offense last year to get him the ball it was all about getting bowers the ball this is not what chip
Starting point is 00:56:09 Kelly is doing at all. When you watch the tape, you can clearly see. This offense is not at all designed to get Brock Bowers the ball. Was it in week one, though? Before the injury. I'd have to take a look at that. And maybe it is the case. I'd have to re-look at that tape.
Starting point is 00:56:24 But at least watching this game, man, it was not at all designed to get him the football. And he's in line all the time instead of in the slot, which I don't love. And that's been proven through time to not be good for fantasy. There's time he's used as a blocker. It just doesn't chip and release. there were so many chip and release plays for Brock Bowers in this game, especially in the first half. So I don't know.
Starting point is 00:56:43 I just, I don't have much confidence right now in him returning value. I still want to believe in him. He's a generational talent, but he has to get healthy. I was pretty encouraged by the Raiders in week one. It was an easy matchup, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:56 so I didn't want to overreact to it. But like a lot of the route concepts we saw I liked. But since then, yeah, the line is a huge problem. Right. And that was part of what I was excited for with Bowers was that we might have more upside than just the short stuff that we could maybe see him
Starting point is 00:57:13 get more one-on-ones down the field be able to get some yak that wasn't just catch and turn around and everybody swarming you and that came through like the line being able to protect Gino which by the way Gino had a 66% pressure rate this week that's partially on him though
Starting point is 00:57:27 his average time to throw is 3.5 seconds he only got the ball out quick 2.5 seconds or less on like 8% of his throws it was like the third lowest game of any quarterback qualified quarterback out of like 5,000 quarterbacks over the past 10 or 15 years. So like he needs to get the ball out quicker.
Starting point is 00:57:46 But also the line is definitely not playing well. We obviously see that in the run game. And so we're hoping the run game would be good. That would be a threat to defenses that would open more up for Bowers. There's a lot of things going wrong basically is where I'm out, like obviously the injury. But also the ecosystem is not very good. I just looked it up in week. He had a 23% first-3 target rate in the first half.
Starting point is 00:58:13 No, that's not right. Sorry. Come on, Jacob. I know. Can we trust you with any stats? 36% first-reed target rate in the first half. This is courtesy of the fantasy points data suite. So 36% is really good.
Starting point is 00:58:26 He had a 32% target share overall with a 9.5-yard average depth of target. So the word, that's the way I remember in the first half was like, wow, he's getting some explosive plays. How many yards did he get? He had a great three quarters in the first half. He had 103 yards in three quarters. So, okay, I think I feel confident chalking this up to the injury. And I wouldn't design my offense around Brock Bowers if he's not moving, right?
Starting point is 00:58:54 Yeah, that's fair. And they have a fairly early buy. They have a week four, five, six, seven, week eight by. It's not the worst. It's not the earliest, not the latest. I think there's some hope, especially if they're able to get the run game going at all. because I don't think Gino's played very well. Obviously, everybody saw the island game against the Chargers,
Starting point is 00:59:11 but just as a whole, I don't think he's played up to how he's played in the past. And still, like, they've... For trying to do that. And I wonder if that's sustainable with Chip Kelly when he's drawn up. But, like, we've seen pretty surprising efficiency from guys like Trey Tucker,
Starting point is 00:59:29 who's never been any good at, like, creating with his opportunities. So let me get away from Bowers and address the full question here is, are we done drafting tight ends in rounds two and three? I might be. I don't know. Trey McBride feels like he's totally on track.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Yeah, McBride's been fine. Yeah, I think so. Look, obviously, you could have drafted Tyler Warren. That looks like a great pick right now. You could have just added Joanne Johnson. I'm skeptical that Juan Johnson. Let's see what Joanne Johnson looks like in another five week, another three weeks or whatever.
Starting point is 01:00:02 How about Dan's guy, Jake Ferguson? Ferguson could be a huge steal if Lamb misses time. And by the way, they've already addressed it. The Cowboys have already addressed it. The four to six week timetable, I think, was just what high ankle sprains often are. So they are not giving any time tape. Sorry for reiterating a report I saw from accredited reporter. No, but he did not report that Lamb is out four to six weeks.
Starting point is 01:00:24 I think if you read it again, right, I think he probably could have been worded a little bit better. I think what he was trying to say was high ankle sprains are often in the four to six week range. I think what I know is. is I'll never try to break news on this podcast again. I don't think, I just think, I think the mid-round tight ends are often horrible values. That's what I think. Kind of look that way right now, but.
Starting point is 01:00:48 As usual, terrible thing. Let's not draw any conclusions through three weeks. And let's get a nice night from, from Sam LaPorta tonight. We need a nice night. And then I'll go, I'll be two and one in baked burger. I mean, you can't. You see how good my team is in that league?
Starting point is 01:01:03 it's just filthy yeah it's it's amazing uh i had neighbors in wondale so i had like a 90 something percent chance to win and now it's 50 50 oh really that's what happened i didn't even know you were playing for now i you've really gone back and forth on like tanking to playing now it's like i don't have my first round pick so i'm not going to take listen i got to tell you something dan i'm going to end with this i unless you want to hear the concert story too but it's a busy weekend for me. So I told Dan, I'm playing this guy in tennis on Saturday. This was Friday we were having this discussion. On Saturday, I'm playing this guy in tennis. He's really good. I want to see how I measure up because I feel like I feel like I can play with him, you know, and he's one of the
Starting point is 01:01:43 better players on the three five team that I'm hoping to join next year. So we only had an hour and a half to play. So we decided instead of sets, we're going to play up to 10 games. Interesting. The score was 10. Oh, 10 bagel. You lost 10-0. What do you think? I'm hoping not. I lost 10-0. Damn, dude.
Starting point is 01:02:06 What happened? I did not play poorly. I played pretty well. Okay. So he's that good? He shouldn't be a 3-5 then. He is the most precise player. Wait a second.
Starting point is 01:02:19 Is he a sandbagging tennis player? I don't even know that was a thing. He doesn't hit hard. He doesn't have a big serve. He is the most accurate player. He is great drop shot. He puts the ball anywhere he wants. He wore me out.
Starting point is 01:02:30 The second game of the match went to nine or ten deuses, and I lost, and I was God. I was just like completely out of breath. This guy crushed me. But I think, you know what? It was a humbly experience. I'm going to get back on the horse. I'm playing again this week. Not against him, thank God.
Starting point is 01:02:45 But I've got my work cut out for me. So it was a humbling. Yeah, Stephen where I see, we're not giving fake news. I saw the report. It was worded poorly. I apologize. It's going to be okay. It was not the best tweet ever.
Starting point is 01:02:58 It was like CDM as a high ankle strain, which is usually four to six weeks, but... It's going to be fine. We've corrected it since. Which backfields have the lowest combined XFP, expected fantasy point numbers. So the whole backfield... No. Raiders. Raiders. Raiders are low.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Raiders are fourth lowest. Bengals. Bengals are middle of the pack. A lot of targets for Cam Scataboo in week three. Oh, oh, oh, this is factoring that in the passing game. Okay, I need to... Can we confirm or deny the Bengals? The Bengals are dead last.
Starting point is 01:03:36 There you go. For reference, the middle of the pack teams, like the Giants, are 21 expected fantasy points for their whole backfield on a weekly basis. The top teams are like 27, 28. The Bengals are 11, 11 expected fantasy points per week for the whole backfield. Who else is down there? This was a gold mine in the past. This was like a great fantasy backfield for expected fantasy points.
Starting point is 01:03:58 Yeah, I know. So Raiders are fourth worst. I would expect them to be higher. Texans. Bengals, Titans, Titans, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Texans. The Chiefs is such a good one. Such a good call.
Starting point is 01:04:11 Watching that last night from that all 22 view, they generate nothing in the run game from a movement stand by. The Giants came in as a pretty bad run defense, and they could not do anything in the run game. And they don't throw their running backs, really. Yep. No, they don't. And then, of course, you've got,
Starting point is 01:04:27 Well, they do if it's behind the line of scrimmage and the running back's not facing the right way. Yeah, we'll do that. That was wild rep by Pacheco. You got Kareem Hunt getting the goal on touchdown. He turned the wrong way. That was crazy. Yeah, that was wild.
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