Fantasy Football Today - Beyond the Box Score: Who to Trust in Week 17 and Fantasy Cops! (12/23 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

We recap an entertaining Bucs-Cowboys game (5:00) to start the show with our thoughts on Jalen McMillan, Rico Dowdle and CeeDee Lamb. Then we've got the latest news and notes (13:40) ... Who can we trust in Week 17? The Chiefs offense (21:30)? The Titans running backs (28:50)? Tyrone Tracy Jr. against the Colts (31:00)? ... We talk about the Week 17 outlooks for David Njoku (33:35), Drake London (37:40), Anthony Richardson (43:10), Cooper Kupp (46:40) and Rhamondre Stevenson and then we hear from the Fantasy Cops (50:00)! ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Please VOTE for Fantasy Football Today in the Sports Podcast Awards in the "Best Fantasy Betting and Gaming Podcast" category: https://bit.ly/3Zxw3uS Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Yeah, what's up everybody? Hope it's a happy Monday for you. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today presented by BedMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. This is Beyond the Box score, advanced stats from simple people, but we don't really have a lot of advanced stats today.

We're doing a different version of the show. So this is the weirdest week of football coming up, week 17 in football history. I mean, are you kidding me? We have two games on Wednesday, right? Kansas City and Pittsburgh. Yeah, I think we can't just watch basketball on Christmas. We got to watch football too. All right. Well, it's fine. We've got a game on Thursday, Seattle and Chicago.

So the two Wednesday games are Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Houston. And we got Seattle at Chicago on Thursday. We've got three games on Saturday. Well, we can't just watch the Hurricanes, everybody. We can't just watch Cam Ward in the bowl game on Saturday. We got to watch three football games. Here's about that. You can't. Just kidding Ward in the bowl game on Saturday. We got to watch three foot. You can't just kidding. I do. Yeah, I care a lot. We got Chargers, Pats, Broncos,

Bengals, Cardinals, Rams, and then we've got a Sunday game. And of course we have Detroit at San Francisco on Monday night. So I got to get into my start sit research. So it's like, you know what? Let's do a little bit of that on the show today. So we're going to ask the people who are you worried about trusting in week 17? And that's what we're gonna talk about today. But we'll give you the, you know the advanced beyond the box score spin on it. Jacob, what's going on? Good morning to you.

How are you? I'm psyched, man. I am a true sicko, live, breathe football during this time of year. So I don't even know what any of that stuff you mentioned is we're overlapping with, just give me more football every day. Yeah.

No, I mean, it's just, it's weird from a work standpoint. I think it's, it's, it's throwing everyone's weekly routine off to have these games on a Wednesday. And as Heath said, if you missed it on last night's show, if your league runs waivers Wednesday night, you need to change that. Imagine running waivers after two games are played, right? Like, it's just a crazy idea. So anyway, let's rock and roll here.

Dallas 26, Tampa Bay 24. This was a really fun game. I don't get my intro. Wow. You've been interrupting me the whole time. You did your own intro. I did no intro. I'm still sour because in the Big Burger Dynasty league,

I put together one of the best teams you can even imagine. I won points and it's one of those leagues that doesn't give any of the prize pool toward the points winner of the regular season. I just don't get that and I never really will. Whose decision is that? Adams. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, he's just anything to get.

It's like everyone knows that you gotta give some of the prize pool toward the points winner. It's the best player in the regular season. It's just everyone knows that. OK, I was going to say, I think only like a third of my leagues do that. As you know, my big ones, a zero percent of my leagues do that. All right. Anyway, let's get to a day. Dallas, 26, Tampa Bay, 24.

And yeah, Jalen McMillan with a big game. So Jalen McMillan, here's your beyond the box score. He is one of four wide receivers with four or five touchdowns over the last three games, but he is the only one of that group, which is Jefferson, Addison, McMillan and Devante Adams. He's the only one that doesn't have a touchdown catcher inside of 15 yards.

So he's not getting a lot of layups here. He's had like a couple of wide open ones that have been on bad coverage or whatever. But I, you know, look, the question is, do we go with Jay McMillan in the fantasy championship? He is red hot. He has scored like over 15 fantasy points in three straight games and he gets Carolina next week.

Jacob, how you feeling about Macmillan? So first, I wanted to say that I like when you do beyond the box score stats, Adam. I think that they're always cool and you don't have to approach it tongue in cheek. I think you can just do it. And it's dope. Oh, no, I just wanted to let people know I wasn't just punting on today's show. I really did dig in and find some extra stats and stuff like that. Yeah, you always do. It's great stuff. Macmillan, I loved his tape coming in. It's been a kind of frustrating year for him, like tough for him to get going in the actual box score until recently,

but I think you could attribute some of that to injuries. And then also he's a rookie receiver. I think we're a little spoiled because we keep having these rookie receivers coming in just be awesome right away. And it took him some time, but now he's playing really well and he's a full-time player out there. And it took him some time, but now he's, he's playing really well. And he's a full-time player out there and the underlying volume numbers keep getting better. He led the team in first three targets. But overall, like the Bucks are spreading the

ball around a ton. So any given week he could disappoint, but that's kind of par for the coarser receiver. So if you've written him and you, you know, are in a three receiver league or wherever you might need to use them, I think you can still trust them. Yeah, we got a lot of past attempts from Baker Mayfield. We had 43 past attempts. They've been hot. They've been winning a lot of games. They've been winning without giving up a lot of points. Yesterday was not, not the case. And you finally got more than, you know, 33, you got 43 fantasy points. So next week against Carolina, he threw 33 passes just a few weeks ago against Carolina. And that's definitely something to keep in mind. Any takeaways from you on this game, Dan?

Yeah, for me, it's the other side of the ball. Last week, Jacob and I had a chance to do our one big game film breakdown for be on the box score. And that was Tampa Bay versus LAC. And I was discussing just from the film standpoint, how much Timbabe dominated the interior defensive line versus the Chargers interior offensive line. And I think this game is a good example of just how far the Cowboys have come

from an offensive line standpoint. And that is something I expect to carry over over these last two games and into the fantasy championship. It's something that's gonna impact my kind of rankings on players like Rico Doudo, CD Lamb, even in Duke Yubi League, somebody like Cooper Rush. So Doudo is really interesting because he had a horrible game.

He did score 8.1 fantasy points, which felt lucky. And you had Zeke coming in for this goal line touchdown, which was just a punch in the gut. And this team, by the way, has the fewest carries in football from the one to three yard line or the three yard line or closer. They have seven all year. So I can't even tell you who their goal line back is. I definitely thought that would be Dowdell at this point, but they brought in Zeke. He gets the one yard score, but Dowdell has been so good. I think he was averaging five

yards per carry coming into the game. 13 carries for 23 yards against the Bucs who have not had a good run defense this season. So he'll be a tough call at Philadelphia next week. And I think it might, you know, my enthusiasm for Dowdell might depend on which quarterback the Eagles have, because I think they could beat Dallas. Like if they have Jalen Hurts,

then it might be a one-sided game. Might be. Dallas is playing pretty well, I gotta give them that. But Philadelphia is really good with Jalen Hurts, obviously. And we don't want that for Dowdell. But just a bad game for him. It happens. He'd been on kind of a roll, but just keep in mind,

he's one rushing touchdown all year. And now we have a little bit of uncertainty about who would get that goal line carry. Who do you guys think has, sorry. Do you think CD Lam has averaged more PPR fantasy points per game with Dak Prescott in his starts or with Cooper Rush in his starts? Cooper Rush.

It is somehow Cooper Rush. It is not Cooper Rush. You guys are not beyond the box score. You are in front of the box score, two point difference. But he has definitely been more consistent with Cooper Rush. He has not had, other than that first game really where Cooper Rush threw for 50 something yards. He's been more consistent with Cooper Rush. He has not had, other than that first game really, where Cooper Rush threw for 50 something yards, he's been very consistent. With Dac, he had a blow up game at San Francisco, but he had a lot of crummy games. So kind of interesting.

A lot of momentum for CDLAM going into the next year, Jake. We've somehow gone seven minutes and seven and a half minutes without shouting out Brian Thomas Jr. So here it is, daddy life says BTG deserves, BTJ deserves all the attention Gibbs gives to him every episode. He's taking me to the ship and he's right. Another shout out for Brian Thomas Jr. For real, a savior this week.

I had leagues where I had no business winning and BTJ just saved me. Why can't Malik neighbors be running 30 yards away from any defender like uncovered up the sideline for an easy touchdown. Why can't that happen to other, why does it only happen to Brian Thomas Jr? Fair question. I think it's just our life right now as a Giants fan, Adam.

It really is. That was pathetic yesterday. Oh my God. It was a great day yesterday. Great day. Number one right now. They locked up the number one pick for now. Hopefully they don't win.

Oh no, they're definitely going to beat the Eagles. Definitely beat the Eagles and we can. All right, whatever. That's it for that game. Let's move on here. I will say, CD Lam, his quote, this is what he said about his shoulder. I love this game that much.

I'm literally willing to put my body out there on the line for my guys. Not so much to show how tough I am, but it shows. It's the ground that's beating me up show how tough I am, but it shows. It's the ground that's beating me up, bro. I can't avoid it. So, of course you're starting him, but let's just hope he makes it through the game. All right.

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Throw us a holiday here, you know, drop us some. Sports podcast group. Quick sports aside that I have a debate for you guys that I'm having in a group chat. Quick aside, this group chat is made up of basically all parts equal, Eagles, Giants, Commanders, and Jets fans. Jets fans, there's maybe one viewer.

Rest of career, contract aside, who would you rather have to start your franchise? Rest of career, not including the contract, Jaden Daniels or Jalen Hurts? Wow. I almost just said this is an easy call, but then I caught myself because it shouldn't be an easy call.

Jaden Daniels. I call. Jaden Daniels. I would say Jaden Daniels. Yeah, so, you know, a lot of the argument made by the Eagles fans, those are the only ones really taking Hertz, is that Hertz has proved it before. You know, Jaden is one year, look at what happened with CJ Stroud from year one to year two. All fair points, but I mean, the stuff that Jaden Daniels

doing is so special. That's like how I would term what he was able to do yesterday with what did he have? 38 seconds on the clock, having to go a full field touchdown and everything he did on that drive, that one run for the first down was so calm and collected. And then the touchdown pass is just like perfect anticipatory throwing and timing and touch and ball placement, throwing it into that window. I mean, those are the special moments you see. I think I saw a stat where in the fourth quarter he has like the most something I got to look up the stat. I lost the stat and I wanted it and I got to find it again. Something about fourth quarter touchdown passes, I believe. So

I just feel like from my standpoint, it's Daniel's, but Eagles friends, my Eagles friend fans are telling me that I'm biased. Oh, they're the bias ones. I mean, obviously, but it's just so funny how you get such a different answer. You can't get neutrality. If you ask that question to a thousand Eagles fans and a thousand commanders fans, and then you just ask neutral parties,

it would be just so much fun. Well, that's why I put it up on my Twitter, but then my Eagles fan friend said it's a bias because it's all Giants fans on your Twitter. All right, well mine definitely is not. So I'll put that question up right now. News and notes, Doreen Thompson Robinson's gonna start. If he's healthy, Drew Locke is getting MRI on his shoulder.

It's unbelievable how beat up the Giants quarterbacks get. The only one who stayed healthy was Daniel Jones. I know. And then you got Jalen Hurts with a concussion. You got Kenny Pickett with injured ribs. So we'll see. They play Sunday, thankfully, against Dallas. At running back, we got James Connor with the knee,

Ken Walker with the ankle, Justice Hill concussion. Got Tank Del with the dislocated kneecap, C.D. Lamb with the shoulder, Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill could have had a big game, but he just, he dropped some balls, had some opportunities. He said he needs to practice more. He said missing those Wednesday reps is hurting him.

And I thought that was pretty interesting. We take it for granted, right? Ah, they don't need to practice. But he said that is starting to hurt his game. We're hoping for George Pickens this week against the Chiefs on Wednesday. What? Drake London hamstring injury, apparently not serious. Jalen Tolbert though, hurt his finger

and Sterling Shepherd left with the hamstring injury. Jets lost left tackle, Olufoshanu, I don't know the severity there. The Cardinals could be without three offensive line then next week. We'll see, they're at the Rams. The Bengals right tackle, Armarius Mims left with an ankle injury on defense.

I'm really keeping an eye on the, because we're about to talk about my homes and co really keeping an eye on the Steelers injury report because it looks like Joey Porter's hurt. And I can't imagine he's going to play, but they could be getting Deshaun Elliott and Dante Jackson back in their secondary Larry Ogunjobi. So they could be pretty healthy other than Porter, but we'll see. Marshawn Latimore left with a hamstring injury for Washington. And the Jets lost two defensive backs. Tony Adams and Sauce Gardner left with injuries. We'll see if they can get back for their game at Buffalo.

All right. So. Dan, are we going to make any finals this year or what? Oh yeah. I have one, my actually most expensive league. I made the finals, which is also crazy because they do this weird thing where another thing I'm really anti, but in the playoffs, the budget for free agency resets and everyone gets the same amount.

I know I'm so against this. And I was the one with the most money. And I thought, and I didn't know this rule either, by the way, I joined this league without against this and I was the one with the most money and I thought and I didn't know this rule either By the way, I joined this league without knowing this ridiculous rule So now everyone hadn't been sold and it's a 14 team league with a super flex So like mad dash for backup QB's I am now stuck going into the finals with no option at super flex outside of receiver and running back So it's gonna be one of those types of finals, But I just put up two 45 because I have CD lamb, Devon H and chase Brown. Like my team is stacked outside of the

quarterback position. Good for you, man. And Jacob, I know you got some. You got Brian Thomas. So you're going to be in some finals. Yeah, it was an okay year. Not a good year for me. I'm one finals is a bad year for me in considering how many leagues I was in. All right, we'll see how tonight goes. I don't really wanna- How about you? I mean, I definitely, I played in five semi-finals and I lost one and the others are all up in the air right now.

That's kind of crazy going into this game especially to have them all up in the air. I don't really, all I know is, I haven't really looked at, oh, he has this, he has that. I know I'm placing Jacob in one. All I know is- And I know I'll be rooting for Jacob in that one. Well then you better root for the Saints because I need the Packers DST.

I think I have the Packers DST in three leagues tonight and I need them to come through baby. And I feel good about that. But all right, we're gonna take a break in a second here. I wanna tell you about BetMGM. Let's get on that BetMGM app. Let's get that promo code going. The promo code is fantasy.

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course, made fun of me for not knowing how to use a hotspot. Still unbelievable that you never knew what hotspot was at this age. I've heard of it. I just didn't really know how to do it. But I did feel very old. You made me feel very old. I just feel like you've missed out on so many opportunities in your life where you could have used a hotspot and just like, I have no option here.

There's no internet. There's no Wi-Fi. I don't know what I'm going to do. It's so true. It's no wifi. I don't know what I'm gonna do. So true. It's so true. I feel like I'm in that commercial where people are becoming their parents.

Yes. You know? It's a great commercial. But I got to drive to work, which I, you know, listened to some music and Billy Joel, Matter of Trust came on. You like that song? Never, not sure I've heard it.

It's a great, great, what do you think? Did Jacob never heard it? I like Belidio, but I don't know if I know that one. Oh, it's always been a matter of trust. No? It's anything else? Yeah, yeah. That's a great song.

Anyway, that's what week 17 is, right? Week 17 is a matter of trust. So that was just a long-winded way for me to sing. So do we trust the Chiefs offense? I asked people out there, who are you worried about trusting in week 17? So the Chiefs offense is one of them. They are at Pittsburgh.

Jacob, unbiased Jacob here on the Chiefs offense. Do you trust them on Wednesday at Pittsburgh? If Joey Porter is out, yeah. And especially if Joey Porter and George Pickens are out, because teams have just been dominating the game, dominating the number of plays and possessions against the Steelers, because the Steelers, they're just bad right now.

They can't put points on the board, they can't move the ball without George Pickens. And well, a big problem is they're running, the Steelers have been running into really good run defenses, like basically the best run defenses in the NFL. And without pickings, that's what they need to do is run the ball and they've got another matchup like that against the Chiefs. So yeah, I it's tough from a usage standpoint, because like, Isaiah Pacheco hasn't been scaled up at all. He's still just playing like a third of the snaps. So I don't really want

to trust him. But Xavier worthy, heck yeah, dude, like everything looks great for him. He's really found a lot more familiarity and like better timing with everything in the offense as the years gone on. And Marquis Brown eight targets got targeted on half of his routes. They designed a lot of cool stuff to him in his first game back. I do think they'll put points on the board. Yeah, right. Like how good is this matchup? You talked about Porter. I'm assuming he's going to be out. But again, they could be getting three other defensive starters back. I didn't really

think Watt had much of an impact last week. And we know he's playing with a foot injury. So I hope that that he can get better and healthier but it's obviously a short turnaround. The Steelers defense when they face good offenses has been awful. Awful. But almost all of that has been on the road like look at Washington scored 27 points. Cincinnati scored 31 offensive points Philadelphia scored 27 points Baltimore to score 27 offensive points all those games are on the road to home games against good offenses though Dallas scored 20 points and Baltimore just scored 27 offensive points. All of those games are on the road. Two home games against good offenses though. Dallas scored 20 points and Baltimore scored 16.

Is this team just one that plays so much better defensively at home? Let me tell you this, couple stats. Patrick Mahomes, in his last nine games, he leads the NFL in pass attempts, but he's only QB nine per game in six point per passing touchdown leagues. And I assume he'll be somewhere near that range

in the rankings this week. And Xavier Worthy, right? Like he's a really interesting decision because no one's gonna trust Hopkins, I think, at this point. And you can't trust Marquise Brown. We'll talk about Kelsey in a bit. Xavier Worthy has three catches of more than 20 yards this season.

Isn't that strange? Travis Kelsey, this slow old Travis Kelsey has eight and Xavier Worthy never makes a big play anymore. It's really weird, but he's getting, you know, a decent amount of targets. He's getting four or more catches every week, scoring double digit PPR fantasy points. As you said, Jacob, he's looking pretty good,

but I just thought that was really interesting. You just look at the yards for Xavier Worthy, it's not really that impressive. And I got some tanked down news in looking pretty good, but I just thought that was really interesting. You just look at the yards for Xavier worthy. It's not really that impressive. And I got some tanked down news in a minute here, but I do. Before last week's game and he had two more that he could have had in this last week. Well, actually just one of them was a long play. But before last week's game, I did a cut up where it was 10 plays of Mahomes throwing 30 more yards down the field where that he literally could have caught any of them.

He was wide open on five of them. It's just, it's just been a weird year with that stuff. And I think you can see that turnaround. Like Devon HN hasn't been able to get any yards all year. He's been struggling with efficiency all year, finally gets a big play, you know, and he's not as good as Asian, but he does have the speed. I think a big play can come in at any given time. I would agree with that. I think it's interesting watching this chief offense as it's evolved through

the year with all the different faces and injuries in it. I thought they were a much better unit with Joe Tooney over at left tackle. I assume they'll keep that based on what they see on tape. Having Marquise Brown out there, I think adds to the solutions they can find against Mann on those third and shorts. And that's the offense. Like they lead the NFL in 10 play drives that go what? Like 70 yards, like they're just matriculating the ball down the field finding solutions. Somehow not through Travis Kelsey anymore, which is still the oddest thing. I don't understand what happened to him.

I don't like, I haven't watched his tape. I don't know if you've watched it, Jacob. I don't think he's lost that much though. Like just watching him, it's not like, I do, I watch it. Is it noticeable? So yeah, I'll have to watch the tape. He looks like a slug to me, I'm sorry to say, but he still knows how to get open and he's got four end zone targets this year.

But the way they play the cheap. They didn't count one this past week. If you remember, he was wide open in the end zone and then Xavier Worthy cut under him. And the homes was clearly throwing to Kelsey and ended up being a worthy target. But yeah, and it would have been a Kelsey Kelsey touch on probably. And look, I'm not trying to say he hasn't lost a step or he's not. I haven't watched the tape of him specifically. Just feel like the things that the Chiefs do on offense, it shouldn't even if he had lost a step, I feel like he should be having more production just based on the way that teams play the Chiefs, that top down style.

Like it should be so many. There should be so much space in that intermediate middle for him. I think they've had some moments this year where their rapport hasn't been on point, which is weird between Moams and Kelsey, where the ball's just going in a spot where Kel and you see Kelsey even happened early in this game and Kelsey kind of like threw his hands up, like what's going on here and so late for them in their careers together for that to be happening.

So something weird is going on there to me. Um, but overall with this offense, I think you can expect it to move the ball consistently in this game. And I actually thought there were definitely some signs of progress there with Brown on the field, with Hollywood Brown on the field. Kelsey's only averaging three yards

after the catch per reception. It's almost always in the five or six range. He did, I think that's where it's clearest that he has Aussies though. And I'll say kudos to, I think it was, was it you Adam or Heath or someone who had this debate with like back in August or July, like looking at the numbers from last year and like how big of an outlier they were in Kelsey's career for things like you just mentioned,

Jacob yards after the catch total touchdowns. And you know, there was the, is it a sign of he's falling off or was he just injured last year in that Vikings game and it played out and it infected his efficiency stats. And it looks to me more likely like the other side of it was correct that like he has taken that down tick in his career. All right. So to sum it up, I think Mahomes is a low end starter. I do still respect the Steelers, especially because I think they're going to get healthier

for this game, not Porter. At home, it's a tough place to play. It really is. So I think he's a low end starter. I don't really want to trust the running backs. We haven't's a low end starter. I don't really want to trust the running backs. We haven't talked about them. But you just don't know who it's going to be. They're splitting. I don't know who the goal line guy is. It's probably

Kareem Hunt at this point. Hopkins is a no. Marquise Brown not throwing him out there in week 17. Worthy is probably going to be look, there's nobody on by the got a lot of good receivers. He's probably going to be around I'm guessing wide receiver 30 or so. My guess. And then Kelsey, yeah, like, do you go with, obviously not Brenton Strange, but do you go, I'm not gonna start Chigokanko over him. No. But I feel like Hunter Henry might be safer. I'd still probably start Kelsey. You'd start John Smith over him. I would definitely start John Smith over him. But yeah, I mean, I'm not expecting that much

from Kelsey right now. I feel like he's due, but. That's what I felt like forever, but I don't. He's gonna score in this game. He was wide open in the end zone. It's Xavier Worthy, just like, oh, I'll take that, and he dropped it. All right, next up,

the Tennessee running backs at Jacksonville. Really interesting one here. I'm just gonna say, there's no way I'm starting Tajay Spears unless Pollard were ruled out. But I know Spears has had two enormous games in a row with 21.6, 27.2 fantasy points in his last two games. But I'm sorry, I'm not starting him. Is anybody gonna trust Tajay Spears this week?

He played more than Pollard in this game, and he had a 48% snap rate in the first half. In the first half, it was six carries for Pollard three for Spears. Almost all of his production came in the second half as well. I bring those splits up, he only had three rushes for four yards in the first half. But the playing time, I think he is part of the offense. But I do think it's kind of fluky what we've seen lately. Yeah, look, they've been getting destroyed in the second half of these last two games against the Bengals. They trailed 24 14 at halftime, they trailed 31 14 at the end of

the third quarter against the Colts. They trailed 24 seven at halftime. It's killing Tony Pollard, just Pollard's more involved, you know, at the beginning of the game. My question was, why did Tai-Jay Spears get two rushing touchdowns in this game? Where was Pollard? So the first one came on a third and one, it was all, it was late in the third quarter and late in the fourth quarter. So they're playing from behind, he's on the field. So they just kept him on the field. It was third and one, they gave it to him at the 11 yard line, he scored. The second time, I do think Pollard had a chance to come back in the game and they didn't give him, they didn't put him back in the game. So it was like first down and goal from the two,

Pollard was in the game, he stayed in the game, he got a carry, he got stuffed. They kept, oh, Spears, Spears, Spears, Spears was in the game, he got a carry, he got stuffed. They kept Spears in the game and he got another carry and he scored. I felt like they could have put Pollard back in there if they wanted to and then they definitely could have put Pollard back in there if they wanted to.

And then they definitely could have put Pollard back in for the two point conversion, but they didn't. They left Spears in. So my take is if it's a good game script, which I think it will be against Jacksonville, should be a competitive game. Jacksonville just gave up two touchdowns to the Raiders running backs.

Jacksonville gives up the second most fantasy points to running backs. I think Pollard will be better than Spears this week if he's healthy. I don't know. He's obviously hurt. So he's tough to trust. And it's a shame. He just had a very good game against the Jaguars just a few weeks ago. He had 21 carries for 102 yards and two catches for 22 yards. This would be a league winner if everything were, you know, right in the, in Tony Powards world, but the injury status definitely makes

things more difficult. So I think I'm going to leave it at that. Let's go to our next one. I'm going to throw it to Dan Tyrone Tracy Jr. against the Colts. You know, like you look at the box score and there's not a lot of carries. It's not a ton of yards. He has scored 14 and a half or more PPR fantasy points in four of his last six games. So people don't want to leave that on their bench. What do you think about him against the Colts? Yeah, I was wrong about this week to not start him in some of the spots. Obviously he had that one touchdown catch that really changes his whole fantasy game

log and you know, outlook for the week. It's hard for me to get confident seeing what I've seen from this Giants offensive line, what's left of it. Seeing what I've seen from just the quarterback situation overall, drew lock is undergoing an MRI and it might be, I guess, Tim Boyle, or maybe they'll just do Tommy DeVito. It's hard to know at this point, what's going to happen there. I guess like if, if, if you're desperate for a flex, it makes some sense cause he's still a phenomenal talent.

Like that touchdown catch was amazing. He almost one handed it and toe tap two feet and he's still a great talent. And we've stopped talking about that all year. Jake and I just how interesting his tape was, just how good of a talent he is. So it's basically betting on a talent in a really bad situation. And I think that's fine at this stage of the season for a flex I don't know if I could be confident in our B2 or B1 spots. They're using a more creative I feel like in the receiving game like I saw they ran a pre snap motion look got him on space They did some screens to him of course

So I do feel good about that. I would I think I would have him above both get Tennessee guys We just talked about is that where you guys are that's fair. Yeah, I would probably have him above them again this matchup. I mean, I really want to put Pollard ahead of him because Jacksonville was a much better matchup than the Colts. Colts have a good matchup too. But I mean, you're getting so few carries. This team is not even competitive. The NFL though, you know, is the kind of game where it might be

might be more competitive than you think, right? It's I thought the Giants were going to be more competitive against the Falcons and then you know, you throw two pick sixes throws that out the window. All right. Yeah, I right now I would probably start Pollard over Tracy, but I definitely see the argument. All right. Can we trust David Njoku against the Dolphins who stink against tight ends? He had eight catches for 66 yards on 10 targets at Cincinnati. Jacob, can we trust the joke? I do think that when we've seen DTR in like, if there's anyone that we can trust that's in Joku, he's the short yardage guy

for him. If DTR doesn't have a lane to run, then that's who he's probably going to be looking for. But yeah, the Browns, Dan, of course, like nailed this last week and it was no surprise. The Browns offense only produced 67 total catchable air yards this week, which is almost a fourth of what they've been putting up a Jameis. They were like between 150 to 200 yards per game with Jameis. So yeah, I don't know if you can trust any of them, but in joke was the one who's the least affected by not being able to push the ball down the field because of where he runs his

routes. Right. And Joko had it, had most of his production in the second half in this game as well. So it looks like maybe they figure out some things that can work in the passing game, but that would be the only one I would trust as well. Well, Jerome Ford is another guy who gets about four catches a game. In the passing game, yeah, yeah. With, yeah, yeah, no, but, right, so it's Ford and Njoku,

it's pretty much all he's throwing to. I think Dorian Thompson-Robinson threw for 15 yards in the first half. I don't really understand like why Cleveland's playing him. I don't either. The assumption is like, oh, we can maybe find our QB2 of the future cheap. He's had so many opportunities

and he can't throw the football and can't keep an offense on time in the passing game. Like just play Winston. Let your guys have fun. Like let Jerry Judy eat. Like, you know, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I completely agree. And it's, you know, it's bad for fantasy, obviously. And it's weird with the joke. It was like, here's what he has scored now in four games with Dorian Thompson Robinson, going back to last year, 10.6 PPR fantasy points, 12.6 11.9. And then yesterday was 14.6. So that's pretty good. But at the same time, if he's gonna throw

for 160 yards, and he probably may be a touchdown. So where's the upside? Yeah, to me, he looks just like Chig Okonko right now, except Okonko, like there is the upside for the offense to produce like 200, 300 passing yards, which seems like it would be a miracle for Cleveland to get to that type of number. Well, if I'm lucky enough to win one of my leagues, I'm going to have to choose between the Joku and Dalton Schultz next week. And I know Jamie and Heath weren't too interested in Dalton Schultz next week. And I know Jamie and Heath weren't too interested in Dalton Schultz, but my argument is like,

they don't have tank down now. And I think I'd go to Joku though. Probably, but. It's not even a slam dong. Yeah. It's just. All right, we got a few more. We're gonna take a break.

We got a few more. Drake London, let's talk about Michael Pennex and how he looked and what that will mean for Drake London at Washington next week. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. So Dan, what'd you think of Michael Pennex yesterday? Yeah, I was trying to find it. So this is courtesy of Scott Barrett, Fantasy Points, Michael Pennex, NFL debut. He had an 81.5% catchable throw rate, which was fourth best among all quarterbacks in the week, a 0.0% turnover, worthy throw rate and a 0.0 pressure to sack rate.

That was the most interesting to me. Nine pressures. That was one part about his game that I was interested to see how it translates over. Um, I felt like they didn't really ask him to do much. They need him to do much, but he had some good throws. He had some second level layered throws. He had a backside dig to Drake London earlier in the game where he's looking off

left and comes back and darts the ball right in there on time on the money. I think he's advanced from the standpoint of like where to move his eyes right after the snap to kind of hold defenses, manipulate safeties and check that second and third level coverage. Did it rotate post snap? And those are things that I saw on his tape at Washington. The thing that I still worry about with Pennex, because it's such a big change going from the Washington offense to any NFL offense, is just how will he fare under pressure?

That's not something we got to see in this game with the Giants. So we'll see how that goes as we move forward. I do think they'll be smart about it and they'll continue to run, have this be mostly a run first offense, but you already saw some of the things they can do with Penex Atlanta that they couldn't do with cousins move the pocket get him out of the pocket on design rollouts throwbacks things like that um so it'll be interesting to watch I don't think this was the best barometer just because it was the Giants and they got out such a big lead but I'm intrigued to watch him rest of season yeah only a 5.8 yard average depth of target, 2.36 second average time to throw. Both of those are low. I was hoping that they would error that a little bit because we like we talked about last week that

the Giants are by far the easiest team to attack down the field, especially without the injuries now. So like, I thought with them making the change that they like, it was because Kirk was putting a ceiling on their offense and then they could experiment with like seeing how high they could lift it. But they really didn't do any of that. They just kind of rode the run game again. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're not, I don't think they're gonna be able to just run their way to a win at Washington on Sunday night. Right. So 27 past attempts for Penex, I believe. Hope it's more like 35 this week and Drake London, it wasn't a bad game,

but it was one of his worst games, right? 10.9 PPR fantasy points, five for 59 on eight targets. Again, just didn't really have to do much. He had an end zone target. It was knocked away by Deontay Banks. He also had a drop on like a, probably would have been only a few yard gain, but what's your, how about Xavier Worthy?

Would you rather start Xavier Worthy this week at Pittsburgh or Drake London at Washington? London London for me I think this is gonna be a situation where London actually benefits the most of all these Falcons viewers Just having watched some of what Penics did yesterday Like I think we can turn the page on guys like Mooney pits obviously. Oh, wow. I don't know if I agree I mean Mooney had that's how I feel from watching this game. Yeah I think it's gonna be a lot of targets for London rest of season. I wow, I don't know if I agree. I mean, Mooney had a good game. That's how I feel from watching this game. Yeah, I think it's gonna be a lot of targets for London rest of season.

I mean, Mooney had a good game though. Yeah. He didn't have a good game because he didn't throw like from our standpoint. He did have a good game. Mooney had a good game. Oh, Mooney had a good game. Yeah, I mean, he made, what was Mooney's final stat line?

Did I? Hold on. Hold please. So London had 38% of the first three targets, which I think to Dan's point, like he's going to be the guy on a lot of those quick hitting timing routes throwing with anticipation. And I think Pinnix can hit him on the sideline a lot of those throws. But I thought Mooney's underlying stuff was decent.

Do you have a stats? Five catches for 82 yards on six targets. Yeah. And, and he got up, he got open because I watched the tape this morning. You know, I thought he did a nice job. They ran, I don't know if it was their schemes or the Giants defense, but a lot of guys just wide open in the middle of the field,

made it very easy on Michael Pennex. And Mooney took advantage. His cousins just kept missing Mooney for big plays, a lot this year. And Pennex didn't miss anyone really, as you laid out with those numbers you were giving earlier. I have to rewatch it just to watch how Mooney's role was. I just feel like moving forward, it's going to be a lot of what Jacob said that high first read target percentage for

London and a ton of play action and move it through B. John Robinson and Algier. Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit of risk with starting London and Mooney this next week. First of all, commanders have actually been pretty good against wide receivers. I'll give this stat again on Friday when we preview this game in their last 11 games now, they've held Marvin Harrison, Jr., Amari Cooper, Deontay Johnson, A.J. Brown once, Devante Smith twice, D.J. Moore, C.D. Lamb, Malik neighbors and Calvin Ridley to 67 or fewer yards. The only Marvin Harrison scoring.

And then obviously had AJ Brown scoring yesterday. But even AJ Brown had a big game, but he had 15 targets. He didn't have that great of a game for 15 targets. Devante Smith was disappointing. I'm not saying you can't be good, but this is not a layup of a matchup even without Latimore if he misses the game. And then yeah, can they get after Pennix?

I just think it was like, you know, just like sitting there at like a country club, reading a book against the Giants. Sorry, it's so easy. Couldn't have been more relaxed. Like get a lounge chair next time. They're gonna turn up the heat a little bit. It's gonna be on the road on a Sunday night in Washington.

It's gonna be interesting. All right, so I think London's a starter. Number two receiver. And I can't wait for that game. Next up, Anthony Richardson at the Giants coming off a 22 point week where he completed seven passes. Jacob, starter sit Richardson next week. Anthony Richardson?

Yeah. I think you're sitting him. I think he's like in the low end QB2 kind of range. Oh wow. I'm much higher on him than that. You just feel like any quarterback can do whatever they want against the Giants. That's exactly how I feel watching this Giants. This is as checked out as I've seen. I mean, they don't even, it's not only a matter of being checked out as a team. They don't have anyone

left on their defense outside of Burns who's playing like hurt and cave on who's been basically a bus for what he was supposed to be. And that's the whole thing, like the rest of all their starters are not they have like five guys playing that I were not part of the team in training camp and I barely know who they are. Yeah, I have no idea who they are. I was watching today. I was like, who is that? Yeah, we just mentioned that they're like the easiest team

to attack down the field. So there's definitely upside for Richardson, he could connect on a couple of those deep shots Yeah, I just feel like Pierce is the guy he kind of needs it if he's not back. I don't trust Eddie Mitchell on those deep shots So like you need you need rushing touchdowns. Yeah We'll get against the Giants. Yeah. Yeah, they could I understand what you're saying Jake, but it's a pretty pretty volatile place for us to be from a fantasy standpoint, like relying on the rushing touchdowns. But I do think I'll get at least one.

And they're just running there. It's I don't know. It seemed like it's just like, we're just Jonathan Taylor time now. Like this is a mess. We'll figure it out in the off season. Yeah. All right.

So let me give you like, would you rather start Brock Purdy against the lions or Richardson at the giants? I heard he heard it. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers at the Bills or Richardson at the Giants? I heard he already. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers at the Bills or Richardson at the Giants? Richardson for me. Yeah, I'll go Richardson. How about

Chad Jordan love it Minnesota? Yeah. That's tough for me. I'm gonna say I'm gonna go love a lot of points in that game. Yeah, I'm gonna go love but it's tough for me I have a lot of trouble playing any quarterbacks against the Brian Flores Vikings defense Kyler Murray at the Rams Kyler Murray or Matthew Stafford or or Anthony Richardson done with Kyler Murray 24 points yesterday or something. What did he get up to? 20 at least 22 because he had a lot of rushing total. He played, not played well, but ended up with a good week.

He scored 22.4 fantasy points at Carolina. I feel like the chances of the game script being similar to that Carolina game are so unlikely in this matchup. So you going Richardson? Yeah. I would go Kyler. Although what is going on with the Rams lately?

Like, yeah, is that game just gonna be super low scoring? Yeah. Their defense, I guess is good now. And their offense just doesn't care. I'm curious about, yeah. Speaking of which, how about Cooper Cup? Can we trust Cooper Cup next week against the Arizona Cardinals?

He has now scored 5.4 or fewer PBR fantasy points in three of his last four games. So the Cardinals are this weird defense we've talked about a lot where they're really good at taking away first three targets and that's like totally puka right now and they're good at taking away perimeter stuff. They just play like a ton of safeties, deep zones and stuff. So like it schematically makes sense for this to be a spot where Cup does kind of just pile up a lot of five yard catches, but I don't want to use him.

Honestly, I feel the same way as Jacob. Like what, what is this? If you're in full PPR league, it's fine. Maybe as a flex wide receiver three, but that's about the cap for me. Yeah, I have some concerns and here they are. First of all, Arizona's run defense is terrible and we know the Rams. They want to run the ball. Uh, James Connor might not play.

So I think they could have no run game and they might not score a lot of points. If you look at these three horrible games for Cooper Cup lately, here are the passing yards for Matthew Stafford in those games 183 160 110. When Stafford's had good games cups had good games. It's more or less that simple when Stafford has not had good games Cup has really struggled. This definitely feels kind of like a run the ball, win a low scoring game, game. And yeah, I have concerns, however, he is Cooper Cup. And I feel like, you know, like I kind of feel like he's in Kelsey territory. You got to have someone good. If you're going to sit Cooper Cup,

would you start Xavier worthy or Cooper Cup? That's close. I was going to ask Darnell Mooney. I think I would start worthy. I think I would start worthy. I think there's more upside for him to have a long play. And then he is seeing similar type of usage. You seeing like double digit targets every week. So like he kind of has a lot of that short stuff built in like Cup.

Right. Yeah. It's great. It's worthy. Oh, man. This is so frustrating. Like, how are we supposed to know this is so hard? This is so hard. All you can do is present the case. And I just I think I just presented a pretty good case against Cooper Cup. Yeah, it really feels like it will just be

Kyron and Blake Coram. Like I brought up the cardinals use all these deep safeties. They have the highest light box rate in the NFL by far. They're inviting you to run. And it feels like McVeigh right now is just like, okay. I got one more guy. Ramondre Stevenson. It felt like Ramondre had a good game, but at the end of the day it was fine. It was only one catch, 12 carries for 60 yards and a touchdown, one catch. And Tony Gibson played way more. Yep.

In a game they were like leading for a lot of it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think I want to trust Ramondre Stevenson against the Chargers. I just, yeah. Okay, all right, that was an easy one. Well, you know what? Here's the good news. Like we went kind of fast there on Ramandre.

So we actually have some time for the fantasy cops. Yeah, let's go. We got, I got two good ones. See if I can get both in here. Here's the first one. I don't have a name. I'm sorry. But 10 team PPR dynasty league. It's not super flex to two flex.

You can keep five players a year, but no more than two per position. It's not exactly a dynasty league. It's not a dynasty. Yeah. All right. Somehow I made the championship against the guy who won last year. His team is insanely good.

And after Hertz going down today, my team is looking pretty rough for next week. We have this weird rule in this league where if you win back to back, the entire league resets and redrafts from scratch. We trade draft picks players, everything in this league. I think resetting is such a bad idea. Why reset? If you can trade draft picks, it's pointless,

but I'm considering completely tanking in the championship for the betterment of the league because the guy in first place who's going to potentially win back to back is so good. He has Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley, Chase Brown, AJ Brown, Higgins, Brian Thomas, Bucky Irving, Kamara, Ayuk, insane. Would you find this wrong? Everyone in the league is indifferent on the league resetting

but I'll agree this guy's team is stacked even with only keeping five players at the end of the year. It feels like I'm in the wrong here and losing on purpose in the championship sounds wild but I'd take second place, get my money back and reset the league. Dear God, can we compete? This is so soft, it's insane. Like, no, play and try to win the money. And if you don't win the money, then let fate take its course or whatever. But like, that's so crazy to me. Be like, I can't even quite understand where to start a new league then I guess, or something like, I don't, you're

pretty much easy. You try to win. And if you win, you won your league. One, you did what you wanted to do. You won the league or you tried to win and you lost in the league resets anyway. Yeah. So I mean, definitely don't think it. Hunting in the championship is the worst thing

I've ever heard about in fantasy football history. The league should disband if that happens. Just call it a day, you're done. This is not worth playing out in any season. That's it. All right, this one is from Eric Weedon. Dear Gordon, Monk, Tracy and Peralta. Peralta.

Peralta, are they all detectives? Yeah. Oh, these are detectives. So Commissioner Gordon, Adrian Monk, Dick Tracy and Detective Jake Peralta. All right. I like Peralta the best. Yeah, I like Monk the best. In our league, the constitution states that

in the semi-finals, the number one seed plays the lowest remaining seed and the number one seed plays the lowest remaining seed and the number two seed plays the highest remaining seed. The semi final matchups have been played, but this didn't happen. The number one seed played the four seed and the two seed played the six seed. Given that the games have been played, do we just keep them as is or should they be changed now? This would change one of the people in the

championship. Also on the kick out O meter how kicked out of the league should our commissioner be I? Mean this commissioner sucks. Let me start by saying that It's in the bylaws of the league rules that you recede So this obviously should have been done before the weekend like I don't know why we're here now But like yes on Wednesday of last week the commissioner should have been like, I am manually doing this. The one is playing the six, the two is playing the four. Like that's how the league is set up. I don't understand what's going on here.

Okay. But it didn't happen. So now what? You mean it didn't happen because this commissioner didn't say anything like he wasn't paying attention. They play the wrong teams. They played the wrong matchups. What do you do?

Do you keep the head to head matchups or do you say this is what it should have been and these are who the winners should be based on the scores? I'm at a loss. You know what? I am gonna change the matchups. I think I would too. So appalled and disgusted by these scenarios

that are playing out. I'm just gonna say, screw it, change the matchups, do it after the fact, your league is a joke anyway. Sorry. Oh geez. It's hard to say. I mean, how could it not be? We have a situation where it's supposed to recede. It didn't recede. What do we do? How many leagues are you the commissioner in? Uh, two. You're a very judgmental commissioner. I gotta say, you're very judgment. Yeah, you're very myself in these situations I don't like it's a crazy situation the commissioners are sitting there on his hands as like the wrong matchup plays out And then it's like whoa, should we do anything about it? So what are you doing all week? I forgot he made a mistake geez

The final the playoffs you don't make mistakes You do your job and you do it right. You don't put yourself in a position like this. His job probably is not to be the commissioner of fantasy football league. Probably. Well, it is this in this scenario, Jacob, you take on the responsibility. You got to do at least a decent job. I'm not asking for much. I'm not like, let's come up with great rules.

Let's like, you know, write up power rankings, which is fun about your league, which I do. But like, let's just have it play out the way it's supposed to be. It's supposed to recede, the one is supposed to play the six, and that's it. I should have read something that I didn't, okay? Oh, you messed up.

Eric, so. Eric! Says, for context, the number one seed and myself, the number two seed, weren't sure if we receded or not. And I just was able to find a copy of the Constitution just before Sunday night football. I definitely should have read that. I definitely. It definitely changes things to some extent, but it just adds to

how weird this league is like, there's a constitution of rules someone set out to make a constitution that means you're one of those kind of like serious leagues, you know, that takes it seriously. It's not like a joke. But then like the playoffs it and it doesn't recede. You didn't set the settings right. You know, no one remembers this constitution. You have dancing here and answer the question. I've given my answer. I'm receiving 1624. That's my answer. Receive playoff the rules that you established and you as the commissioner pay out everybody their money back that was in the playoffs.

No. Out of your pocket. You messed up. No, no, no. Honestly, he messed up, but I don't really see how it practically affected anybody unless teams made waiver claims based on their matchups and said, okay, I'm playing this team, so I'm gonna block him from getting this guy. So that does change things.

There's all sorts of stuff that could happen. I do start sits depending on how my matchup looks. Yeah, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't do that. Yeah, if you got a guy, we just talked about how these rankings are so close. It's literally just like picking a straw. And so if you've got a guy that you think

has a different range of outcomes, a tighter range of outcomes or a wider range of outcomes, depending on what your matchup looks like, you have correlation plays that you might have like, Adam, just you're just right on this. Don't do it. Sorry. You're done. You are done. Outcome plays. Yes, sometimes you don't want to play the high risk high upside. You're done. You are done. You are better off. Yes, sometimes you don't want to play the high risk high upside. You're wrong.

You're better off. Don't even look at who you're playing. Set the lineup that you think is going to score the most fantasy points. You start overthinking, you start over tinkering and you're out. All right. TM. I mean, you did a good job rhyming there. I should have said thinker in.

Thinker in. Over thinker in means over tinker in and you're out. TM, we are out. Thank you so much for watching and listening to the Beyond the Box score here on Fantasy Football Today. We'll talk to you next. Vote for us. Vote for us, yes.

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