Fantasy Football Today - Bold Predictions! Travis Hunter, Travis Kelce and Other Players Not Named "Travis" (06/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

A little trivia to start the show (4:00) and then some news and notes (9:30), but we're spending a lot of time on bold predictions today! Dave starts us off with a J.J. McCarthy bold prediction (10:00) followed by Jamey's bold pick on which wide receiver duo will be the best in Fantasy (16:45) ... Dave says Calvin Ridley will be a Top 20 WR (24:40) and Jamey says Justin Fields will be a Top 5 quarterback (32:00)! Jamey has history on his side ... In our last round of bold predictions, we get bold calls on Travis Kelce (40:00) and Marvin Harrison Jr. and Garrett Wilson (50:00). Does Kelce need a big season from Patrick Mahomes to get back to being an elite Fantasy tight end? ... Email us at [e-mail] ⁠ Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Welcome to the show. It is Wednesday, June 18th.

Reminder, no show tomorrow, but we will be back on Friday with a new episode of Fantasy Football today. What if we did a rerun? You guys think about that. Just throw an old show and- We'll run an episode from 2011. Yeah. I wish I had one. I would love to break down some of that tape, right? Listen to one of our, we started, I started with you guys in 2009. That would be a fun trip back to memory lane. If we could find, yeah, let's think back to all those times where we would steal your wallet and hide it in the office. It's one of my favorite

things to do. I bet I was brought adults doing goofy elementary school stuff. What was the maddest you ever got? I remember doing an episode in a conference room because that's what we used to have to do. We used to have to take a mixer. I used to have a cart. I had a cart with a mixer and headsets. Right. I'd have to roll. I have to book a conference room. Rarely the same conference room two days in a row. Right. Like I would have to book a conference room. We were in, I think it was NCAA. It was in the back corner and it was late in the season. And I think it was just like a lot, a lot of stress. It was a waiver wire show and I got so mad at you, JV. And I think I used a four letter word after the show. I think I cursed at you. I remember that. I was so mad at you.

Tensions were running high. But I was kind of hotheaded back then. So that wasn't really. I mean, you think about like the way that our show has grown and things have changed. And like anytime, you know, little peek behind the curtain, like anytime they talk about like podcasts, like we're usually the standard, like, you know, that all the shows at CBS, they try to, you know, because of our audience, making me blush our audience, how great

it is and you know, supportive and all those things and, you know, trying to make the other podcasts as, as, you know, prominent as ours. And, you can't do the show in the conference room today because we have to talk about our lunch for, like the things that we had to do. So low budget. So it's still, I mean, that's a good thing about podcasting. It's still very low budget, but now we can do it from home.

Anyway, I do have some trivia for you guys to start. And today is bold prediction day, three bold predictions from Dave and Jamie. So that's six total, if I'm doing math correctly here, which is never a given, but let's start off with some trivia. Some of it I think you'll find interesting and maybe fantasy relevant. Some of it is just for fun. Which team ran the fewest plays in the NFL in 2024? It is related to one of your bold predictions. Should be an offensive play. Yeah.

The Titans. Not the Titans. It is related to one of your bold predictions. Should be an offensive play. Yeah. Not the Titans. I was going to say the Patriots, but then you just said, well, it's related to one of our bold predictions. So I do not know. For one of Jamie's bold predictions to become true, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going to have to run more plays. They ran the fewest plays in the NFL last year.

Which team ran the most plays in the NFL last year. Which team ran the most plays in the NFL last year? Chiefs. Related to our... No. No? So not... No to Dave or no to my question?

Eagles. Philadelphia. It's the Cleveland Browns. What? Yeah. And yeah, the Cleveland Browns ran the most plays in the NFL. Which team had the lowest or worst third down conversion rate? Worst third down team last year? Titans. I'll give you a hint. We've already, we've already said them. Jacksonville. Cleveland, which is amazing that they ran the

most plays in football and were the worst third down team in football. Are you sure these stats are right? Yeah. Which team ran? Which team had the best third down rate in the NFL? Philly. It made the playoffs. They lost to the commanders.

Lions. Tampa Bay. I think Detroit was second. Tampa Bay had the best third down percentage. By the way, if you had said Detroit for most plays, you would have been tied for correct. They were tied for correct. They were tied with Cleveland for the most plays running the NFL. All right. So we know the Browns had the worst

third down rate, the Bucs had the best. How about three and out rate? Which team had the lowest or best? Oh, okay, sorry, we have a different question here. Which team had the highest or worst three and out rate? So which team had the most, what percentage, ah, most highest percentage of their possessions end in a three and out.

Have we mentioned that we've been podcasting since 2009? Sorry. I have to get out of the conference rooms. There's another. I'm down to those three crappy teams of Tennessee, New England and Jacksonville. I'll go with New England. Jamie, I'll give you a hint. Look behind me.

Giants. Yeah, Giants. Giants, most highest three and out percentage. How about this one surprised me. Do you know which way your thumb should go? No. No. This one surprised me. Which team had the best or lowest three and out rate?

Fewest percentage of possessions that ended in a three and out. And it's a team that surprised you? Yeah. They did not make the playoffs last year. They had a quarterback change late in the year. Permanent one? Yeah. Falcons?

Atlanta, isn't that crazy? They had the lowest three and out rate. Jamie and I tied for correct. I think you guys are gonna get this one too. Who won the Stanley Cup yesterday? How excited were you guys? So what was your level of excitement? I was happy.

It's exciting. Local team done good again. Yeah, it's, it's a, I'm sorry. It just felt like we did a triumphant music. Definitely game of the week. Yeah, maybe, maybe not. Maybe basketball. It's funny to think of South Florida as a hockey mecca,

but three straight cups, two championships in a row, it's pretty exciting. Having a conversation yesterday with a content creator who does some stuff in Florida and best teams in Florida, history. Oh, oh wow. 2001 hurricanes. They were on the list. I don't know if it was.

72 dolphins should be on the list. I don't know if it was like one season or like a stretch of seasons. Cause obviously like the Panthers, like which team is better this one or the last one? I don't know exactly what the criteria was, like yeah the Hurricanes were brought up. I brought up the urban Gators or Meyer Gators and the yeah but that's not South Florida in about no no it's not South Florida Florida Florida then you've got to put the light didn't where the Tampa lightning

last team they were great back-to-back Stanley. And we have the Bucks, you know, Super Bowl win over the Chiefs. The LeBron era heat. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's great teams. Yeah, and now the Panthers are really good. I brought up just because it's obviously on the forefront of my mind,

the Lake Mary Little League World Series champion. Oh yeah. There you go. All right, let's get into the show here. News and notes. By the way, the team watched the clip and not happy with me for saying that we have no chance. So we have a great chance. We have a great chance.

Did your son come to you and was like, Dad, what the hell, man? Well, he kind of like watched it. We were driving in the car. I showed him. And then my wife goes, did you really just say you don't have a chance? And then I got to practice yesterday and they're like, oh, that was so cool. But why did you say we don't have a chance?

That is great. That's coach ever. This is like when Gordon Bombay was having ice cream with the assistant coach for Iceland. Yeah, that did not go well. Okay, news and notes. Zach Jackson, motivation, Zach Jackson of the athletic says that Cleveland rookie tight end Harold fan and Jr.

still viewed more as a long term project than an immediate contributor, which would be good news if you are a David Njoku guy, or girl, Jacksonville GM James Gladstone says Travis Hunter does not tire and he could play an entire game and That is all the news and notes I have so let's go to the bull predictions Number one from Dave will go Dave Jamie Dave Jamie Dave your first bull prediction is that JJ McCarthy Will finish as a top 12 quarterback He is currently QB 24 in CBS ADP and QB 17 in fantasy pros

ADP. So JJ McCarthy will be this is Thomas's bowl prediction or did? Oh, this is mine. Yeah, I was nothing to do with this. Although I'm sure Thomas, I think he'll approve, but maybe he'll try and reverse kibosh and be like, No, he's not. He's not that good. I can hear Thomas say something like that. Okay. Jamie's getting fired from his little league team. I'm getting fired from the show. Okay. Can we just be serious for five seconds on this podcast? I mean, come on now.

I know serious podcasts are important these days. Okay. We, we, we make a lot of correlations. They're not looking at quarterbacks, uh, uh, based on who they're throwing to. Why can't we do that in Minnesota? It's Justin Jefferson. It's Jordan Addison, TJ Hockinson. Like it's a great trio and it's an improved offensive line. And I kind of feel like we lost sight of what JJ McCarthy was like in college.

Um, accurate. Uh, he had like a 72% completion rate overall. When he was under pressure, I looked at stuff this morning. It was 63.4%. That was better than any of the other big 6 quarterback prospects in the draft. He was a rushing threat. If you take out his kneel-downs and sacks, he had 237 yards on 61 carries. That's not a great average. He had three rushing touchdowns in 2023. He was better as a runner in 2022. And then there's the coaching factor and the scheme factor. This is Minnesota. This is Kevin O'Connell. Look at what he did with Sam Darnold last year. Look what he did with Kirk cousins the two years prior in the last three seasons, a Minnesota Vikings quarterback has had at least 22 fantasy points. That's six point per task passing touchdowns in 27 of 51 games and

at least eight per year. This sets up for JJ McCarthy to have a shot at being at least a solid fantasy quarterback. But I bet he could squeak into like the top 12 with 20.5 to 21.0 fantasy points per game. I think he can get there. And it's, it's at no cost on draft day. I'm skipping over Tua. I'm going to skip over Kyler Murray. That might be a mistake, but I'm going to skip over him. And I'm going to draft JJ McCarthy with one of my last picks.

It's funny because Dave sent his bold predictions in first. I was going to give you another one related to the quarterback class from last year. And if you throw McCarthy in there based on Dave's, there could be 5 Top 12 quarterbacks from this class, because I think Drake may is gonna have a similar leap we were all excited about Caleb Williams with everything that's going on there obviously Jayden Daniels and Bo Nicks were you know top 12 last year so you can see them doing it again there's just a lot to like about these guys especially if mostly McCarthy and and may make the the big leap well I guess guess Caleb also, I shouldn't say that he's done it yet. So if those three guys make the leap to join Daniels and Nicks,

like could be incredible. We could be looking at what the 83 quarterback class was, clearly different scenarios by far. But for fantasy purposes, just guys that are stepping into incredible situations as we saw last year. Some of them performed really well at times. McCarthy just given his opportunity with everything Dave said, coaching and talent around him. There's a lot to love about it.

It's also worth, and I don't know how much we want to go down the Big Burger waiver wire ads, how much the bid was for Sam Howell and what the outlook could be there if McCarthy gets hurt again or struggles for whatever reason, not that they're going to mention unless it's an extended stretch. But like they've said, I mean, you remember the year cousins, Tori's Achilles, Josh Dobbs was a fantasy star and, um, Nick Mullins was a fantasy star. Like there, there's, the system is great and hopefully McCarthy, you know, lives up to the billing. But if not, you know, you might want to take a flyer and a super flex or two quarterback league on Sam Howell just in case to, you know, put them on your bench

to see what happens. Yeah, totally unrelated to just quarterback play. But I went back and I looked they played seven games without Justin Jefferson in 2023. They actually averaged more points per game without Jefferson than they did with Jefferson that year. Just goes to show you how good of a system that is. Okay. Can I bring up one last thing on McCarthy? First three games of the year are against Chicago, Atlanta, and I got a cheatin' look.

I thought I had it memorized memorize Chicago, Atlanta, Cincinnati. That's a great three game start. Is Chicago a great start? Chicago? Yeah, I don't think the Bears defense, I don't think they're going to be as good as like the top defenses in the league. Don't look at who they play in weeks four and five, weeks one, two and three. I think I don't think you could ask for, I mean, you could, but I think

it's a good three game slate for McCarthy to ramp up and get hot. And fantasy managers will have the confidence to consider starting them against the Steelers and the Browns. Is that in Chicago? It is on Monday night football. Yeah. I like the fact that he avoids that weather game later in the season. True. Okay. we're gonna take a break and talk about the Jacksonville receivers when we come back on FFT. At Desjardins Insurance, we know that when you are a building contractor, your company's foundation needs to be strong. That's why our agents go the extra mile to understand your business and provide tailored solutions for all its unique needs. You put your heart into your company, so we put our heart into making sure it's protected. Get insurance that's really big on care.

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Canada Life, insurance, investments, advice. Our next bold prediction is brought to you by Jamie Eisenberg, Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter will be the number one wide receiver fantasy duo this season. That is very bold, especially when you have Cincinnati in the equation. So Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter. So they are currently their ADPs and CBS and fantasy pros. ADP are almost identical.

Brian Thomas Jr. is wide receiver eight right now. Travis Hunter is either wide receiver 26 or 27, depending on the source. Hunter around four or five pick Brian Thomas Jr. looking like kind of early round second pick right now. But you say bold prediction, Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter will be the number one fantasy wide receiver duo this season. What other duo is getting drafted before them after the Bengals?

Is there another one? Rams, I would guess. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good call. Cause Hunter's getting drafted ahead of Godwin, right? No, fantasy pros is not. So the Bucks guys are also going to have to have also the lines on our side. Also Jameson Williams is going ahead of Hunter.

Yeah, so there and the city Jamie. Oh, Kansas City. Well, Kansas City. Yeah, but but you rice is way behind St. Brown. So depending on how you want to. Sure. That's fair. In any event, the, the biggest thing for this clearly is how much time will Hunter spend on defense. And our guy, Pete Prisco was just in Jacksonville last week and he said that they're going to play him a lot on on defense

By what he thought comparatively to the you know NFL draft Again, that does not mean he's not gonna spend a lot of time on offense Pete said he's gonna spend a lot of time on offense and the Reports so far have been great on both sides of all understandably So, you know, he's he's clearly a special talent as we're all well aware, won the Heisman for a reason. So if he's not focused more on defense than on offense, the upside is immense. And the best thing about this is, well, I guess the other big thing is can Trevor Lawrence

finally have upped the bill? But the best thing about this is really the, you know, Kevin O'Connell system, how great it is for, uh, for JJ McCarthy. I think the Liam Cohen system and what it's going do for this passing game and we saw it last year You know you had a top wide receiver duo from the Bucs at Chris Godwin over 19 PPR points per game We know what Mike Evans was and was with was with and without Chris Godwin But I think we all know that the way that he finished his years, especially if he was chasing his milestones He might have had the strong finishing kick as well even after coming back from the injury without Godwin on

the field so I'm gonna sort of azer stat this in my own way that Mike Evans would have finished better than what he was doing in the first seven games with Godwin and Godwin may have taken a little bit of step back in terms of his production but would have got great numbers from both these receivers and I think that's going to be the case for Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter You saw what Thomas was able to do last season You know last six games were amazing just the way that he finished and that was a Mac Jones Obviously there was not a lot of target competition on the field because of Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk not being there So how good can hunt your beat? That's the the you know sort of

thing that we don't know yet, but just based on his Collegiate performance based on what he's shown so far, based on the upside, I think these guys can challenge to be one of the best wide receiver duos and if things break right Trevor Lawrence has the type of season that he finally is capable of doing and Liam Cohen system comes into play that we could see these two guys be up there with whichever duos you want to put behind the bangles because I think that's the easy one to say going into the season but the Lions guys, the Chiefs guys, the Bucs guys, like all those top tier wide receiver duos you want to put behind the bangles. Cause I think that's the easy one to say going into the season, but the lions guys, the chiefs guys, the bucks guys, like all those top tier wide receiver duos, uh, the dolphins when they're right, you know,

I think there's an opportunity here for the bucks, the, excuse me, the Jaguars duo to be one of the best and potentially best. I think everything you said was great. Loved it all. I don't know if you told you have, you have two wild cards as well that they really love Diami Brown. Uh, you know, again, just based on what they've seen so far and what, what they're saying and Brenton strange is going to be an interesting one too. Like they're liking what he's, he's showing so far too. So they have, you know, guys that are going to be interesting.

I do think, you know, late round picks strange and Brown are worth the flyers, especially if, if Hunter does spend too much time on defense. But I mean, you're talking about, you know, two first round wide receivers, one guy that was the first receiver taken in his class, and one guy who arguably had the best rookie season of his class. So fun, fun wide receiver duo young guys that have a chance to be special. Okay. So number one, I love the fact that you brought up Liam Cohen. I think it's a huge deal because he's a forward thinking type of play caller.

You can see it all over the place from what he did in Tampa Bay, both running the ball and the designs of his run plays and his passing plays. Trevor Lawrence has two receivers now that can, that have the ability to rack up yards after the catch that take some of the pressure off of him having to make perfect throws 15 plus yards downfield. Hunter especially, like he adds like a little bit more of a physical element that Thomas doesn't have. But they can throw him screens and slants, and he can turn a four or five yard pass into a

25 yard play. Both of them can, obviously with speed, but Hunter can break away from a tackle and make that happen probably a little bit more often than Brian Thomas Jr. can. And so I would expect that those two guys are just gonna run away with the target share. Kind of like how Evans and Godwin or Chase and- It'd be surprising if they didn't, yeah.

Oh, but I mean, you brought up Diami Brown and you brought up Trenton Strange. I don't know what, what's a realistic target share for those guys. Like there might be a week where one of them has five targets. No, I think it's, it's, it's going to be those two guys. That's the best part of this. It's for each. It's not, they should get fed. And, and one more duo to bring up just cause I think again, looking at ADP, uh, the Eagles guys are both being drafted collectively ahead of the Jaguars guys. Not in our... Interesting. Interesting.

Hunter is going a spot ahead of Devante Smith. And actually in our... AJ is going ahead of AJB. In our ADP, Hunter is going ahead of Jameson Williams. In Fantasy Pros, Jameson ahead of Hunter. It's very close. Okay. Hmm. Hunter's going ahead of Jameson Williams and fantasy pros. Jameson ahead of Hunter. It's very close. Okay. One more thing. Are you, Jamie, are you worried about overdrafting BTJ?

No, I think there's, there's two things to look at with him. And again, I'm guilty of this too. Like you're looking at just what he did in those last six games. Like he still had some good numbers when you know when Kirk and Ingram were there. And obviously Lawrence was there. Not the same extent, you know, he is, you know, averaging, um, you know, over 10 targets per game. Uh, the, the, the question will be as if Lawrence can get to the heights of what he was drafted to be like, these guys could just be amazing.

Like there's, there's so much upside here. So, you know, I, I don't think you're looking at Thomas. Like I think he's priced appropriately, you know, so he's going late round one, early round two, and unless you think that like what Heath brought up, I think the last time we talked about bowl predictions that he, from correct me if I'm wrong, this is when he said that Hunter would be better than Thomas, right? Yes. So unless you fear that,

then you're over drafting Brian Thomas. Carolina and Cincinnati to begin the year for Jacksonville. Very nice. Okay, Brian Thomas Jr. He averaged only 14 PPR fantasy points per game in his first 13 games, which would have been wide receiver 27 last year. And then he went bonkers in his last four games. So we see from these high end. Oh, yeah, I don't doesn't bother me at all.

Back end of the first back end of the rookie season, like, amazing. No, it's just it's worth noting that there was no Evan Ingram. At that point, there was no Christian Kerr. I don't think Evan Ingram was playing at that point. He had like 11 targets per game. He was at that point, there was no Christian, I don't think everything was playing at that point. He had like 11 targets per game. He was going nuts. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think either of those receivers will average that this year. You're talking about just those last four games. Yes. For the season, 133 targets in 17 games. I'm taking the over on that for Brian Thomas, Jr. I think we all would, we'll be disappointed if he gets 133 targets. Although on a per target basis, he was amazing.

Dave, let's go to your second bold prediction here. It's Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley is currently wide receiver 34 in ADP on CBS, wide receiver 32 in fantasy pros ADP. Calvin Ridley, your bold prediction is that he sneaks into the top 20 at wide receiver. Dave Korsunko I want to make a bet on Cam Ward. I think that cam ward, obviously we know how good he was at Miami and the off season reports have been glowing about how he's done in Tennessee. And maybe he can be a quarterback that can elevate all of his past catchers and be one of those guys who can take a solid receiver and make them good, a good receiver and make them very, very good. And if he can do that, Calvin Ridley is the most obvious target to be the one who elevates and becomes an asset in fantasy football. He averaged 7.1 targets per game last year,

catching passes from Will Levis and Mason Rudolph, and his number stunk. He didn't even average 12 PPR points per game. 32 of 120 of his targets, that's 27% of his targets, were deemed uncatchable. That's not going to happen this year. He's going to have a much lower rate there, which opens the door for him to catch more of those targets. And the targets could go up because who else is going to get targets in this offense? They've got 3 rookies that are competing for 1, maybe 2 spots. And Ridley, to me, just the experience he brings, combined with Cam Ward probably being a little bit better than even I thought he was, could lead to him being a Top 20 receiver. I think he'll get good volume. I don't think Tennessee's defense is particularly good. I think they're going to be in a lot of games where they're going to have to throw a

decent amount. And Calvin Ridley is going to quietly be one of those guys that gets the job done for fantasy managers. Yeah. His numbers last year with Mason Rudolph. What did you just say? 14 PPR points gets you to where? Depends on the year, say anywhere between 22 and 28. So he was just over 14 PPR points per game and the game started by Rudolph and

Honestly, you just look at 11 games. He played after Deandre Hopkins got traded his 17 game pace Calvin Ridley without Hopkins was 80 catches 1289 yards five touchdowns. That's the only five touchdowns. That was the problem on 130 targets That's why he was only wide receiver 30 per game, but you love everything else. You love 1300 yards and 130 targets. So really he just got off to a terribly slow start in his first six games. He averaged six targets per game with DeAndre Hopkins. And then he was on pace for 130 targets after that.

Yeah, I think my issue with Ridley is it just, look at the last two seasons. Look at his entire career. I mean, he's had one amazing year. He was very good as a he was encouraging as a rookie. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but his last two years he's played 17 games. He's had 120 or more targets. He's had barely over 1000 yards and he's been wide receiver 27 per game and wide receiver 40 per game. And now he's 30. So, um, it's tough. I think the thing you're hoping for, sorry, I'm just saying it's tough. Let me just finish. Uh, you know, it's tough to draft him with like Jordan Addison, Jalen Waddle, the 49ers guys. When I feel like there could be big upside

with some other players. Yeah. Put a pin in that. Let's go back to that in a minute. Go ahead. I think the thing you're you're hoping for is Terry McLaurin, right? Rookie quarterback comes in and is, you know, production gets elevated. Portland Sutton, you know, rookie quarterback comes in. These are two guys. Last year, McLaurin was 28. You know, Sutton's in that same age range. You know, they had clear their struggles. And I think it comes down to like, how you'll feel about Ridley is, do you think Ward is going to be the type of quarterback television? I think probably that's easy answer is yes, given what he played with last year. I don't know if that's so easy. I feel like, sorry to interrupt you, but I do feel like he'll be

better than what they had last year. But I don't really think Cam Ward's going to have a great rookie season. But he doesn't have to have a great rookie season to be good for Ridley. Correct. Will he be great for Ridley? you know, and so I think just to be good for Ridley, he's better than what Will Levis was, and hopefully better than what Mason Rudolph was, or at least on that level. And again, the five starts with Rudolph, he was 14.6 PPR points per game. Then if you take it to the the other side of this is you mentioned it, you know, he struggled with Deandre

Hopkins. Well, how much do you like to town around? They bring in two rookie wide receivers that were both fourth round picks. They bring in Tyler Lockett is 32 years old. They had a fourth round tight end. And if you think Chico Conkle is going to build off what he did at the end of last season, or maybe get back to what he did as a rookie, well, look at the competition around, like there's not a lot of significant players that are going to eat away at his targets. So there's a lot to like about the situation.

Now, again, these other players can certainly take away from him and I think they're better than probably Nick West Brooke Aquinay who was just scoring touchdowns last year, which my gosh, if those start to go to Ridley, hey, we could have a big season here. So, you know, Westbrooke Aquinay scored nine touchdowns last season. So I think the situation and the cost for Ridley is great.

You know, so the players you listed Adam, yes, you could certainly make a case the other guys around him. If Waldo gets back to his first years of production, that the 49ers guys, whichever one you like, steps up. I don't know the other players said, but Addison, actually, I actually don't even, I don't think it was a great argument because I, but no, it's, it's, it's fair. You know, given the guys around him, you know, again, we are talking about Titans receiver, Ridley really resume is not exactly the most glowing, but, um, situation and cost, I think, you know, whether he's top 20 or top 25, he's going to outproduce his ADP. If he gets, you know, anything above top 30, this is where I wanted to go with, with Ridley

is on, on our off season ADP. He's going ahead of let. Let's do the thought exercise. Tell me if you would take Ridley ahead of Chris Olavi. Yes. Yep. Waddle. Yeah. Yes. Joanne Jennings. No. Okay. So you're taking Joanne over Ridley but not Waddle and not Olavi. Okay. Jacobi Myers. Oh, yeah. Really? Rizzi pierce all really, I struggle with the Niners guys. As of now, I

would take your soul all day. Shakir. The million percent. Really? Cooper? Yes, really. That's what I meant. Who'd you say Cooper Cup? Cooper Cup? Ooh, I think that's a non PPR. Ridley. Yeah, really, but's not PPR. Redsley. Yeah. Redsley buzz close. So these are all receivers that are living at the six, seven turn. If you can find Ridley round seven or later, uh, this, this is the cost argument. This is the ADP argument. This is not reaching, you're drafting a much closer to his floor.

If you're getting him in around seven or even around eight, maybe in those 10 team leagues, he falls that far. I think that's an easy green light. Yeah, right. I think the 49ers are the ones that give me trouble. But most of those receivers, I feel like I, I don't feel like I'm missing out on huge upside necessarily, if I'm taking Calvin Ridley over them. I don't think Calvin Ridley has huge upside. But as your third or fourth receiver, I think

he could have great returns for you, which is the case Dave was making. Right. Okay. Jamie's second bowl prediction is about Justin Fields. He will be, he's usually a top 12 quarterback, but Jamie says he will be a top five quarterback. And he is currently, Justin Fields currently QB 12 in CBS ADP, QB nine in fantasy pros ADP. But Jamie says Justin Fields will be a top five quarterback. I mean, saying top 10 would be too easy.

I think again, you're hoping that the guy that we saw as a rusher in Chicago and at times last year is consistent over the course of a hopefully 17 game season. I mean, if he runs for a thousand yards like he did, he's one of three quarterbacks to ever do this. One guy's done it twice. If he can do it a second time like Lamar Jackson, I mean, he's gonna be a cheat code.

And I don't think he's a disaster as a passer as sometimes people make him out to be. Is he gonna be a 5,000 yard passer? No. Can he get too close to 4,000 yards, maybe eclipse the 4,000 yard pass or no? Can he get to close to 4,000 yards? Maybe eclipse the 4,000 yard, you know, threshold, man, no chance. No chance. I mean, you say no chance. Could he get to 3,800? I don't know. I'll give you, I'll give you his 17

game pace in four seasons based on 90% snap share or higher. Only games with 90% snap share or higher. 3,251, 2,541, 3,547 yards, 3,134 yards. So I think it's a stretch to go 3,800 personally. Okay, so let's go 3,500 then if he has a great season. Yeah, he could be terrific with 3,500 passing yards if he's close to a,000 rushing, yeah. That would put him in the top five. I don't know if it would put him in the top five.

That's a, well, I'll tell you. In 2023, I mean, we might as well just look at 2023. He was on pace for 3,547 yards, 866 rushing yards. pace for 3547 yards, 866 rushing yards. He was only QB 14 per game, but he left one game early. So he was probably closer to let's say 11 ish per game. But if we gave him a thousand yards, I don't know if he's getting to top five, but he'd be a pretty damn good bull prediction. If he, if he can do 30, if he can do 3500 passing yards and 900 rushing yards, you're going to wish you had Justin Fields on your team. He's one of the easiest and most fun quarterbacks to draft. And again, the best thing about this

position is you can back him up with if you want two guys with upside Drake May and JJ McCarthy, if you want to save for it's Brock Purdy and toua or Jared Goff. You know, there's so many options that you can pair him with and still be fine at the position and maybe have somebody else who's going to challenge to be a top 10 quarterback. But the way that he plays for the game that we play, it's just too hard to avoid trying to target him at his cost. Five rushing touchdowns in six starts last year. Yeah, so okay, I just gonna finish with this on Justin Fields.

I said he's QB nine in fantasy pros ADP and it just clicked. That's almost certainly four point per passing touchdown leagues more so than six. Whereas ours is six point and he's QB 12. So that makes sense. Jamie, Jamie, I said, where was he in 2023 when he was on pace for 3500 passing yards, 866 rushing yards. If you remove week six, which I did with his 17 game

pace, he left that game early. He actually would have been QB five per game in four point QB eight per game in six point. So that and oh, and yeah, he was and I have him in 2022 is QB six per game. So he had 1000 yards rushing. Yeah, he had in 15 games he had 1143 rushing yards. That's amazing. So it's very, it's just very realistic, very doable. I think the last thing I don't know if you care about this, Dave, maybe you would care more. You cite consistency a lot.

I have him in his last three seasons, 33 healthy games, and he has scored fewer than 20 fantasy points and six point per passing touchdown leagues in 17 of them. So half the time he's having a disappointing game. Here's just really like very little consistency with Fields. I mean, what gives me the spiel keys about Fields is he's not a polished passer. He's got one great receiver. We debated yesterday who the second best receiver in New York would be. And the options were Josh Reynolds, Breeze Hall, and a rookie tight end, Mason Taylor. He has a first-time NFL play caller who we don't know a ton about. We think that it's gonna be pretty much a West Coast type of

offense, but we don't know how that's gonna be. It's a first-time head coach that's defensive-minded, who wants to run the football a ton. Fields has once said that he doesn't want to be a 1,000 yard rushing guy. He doesn't want to lean on his legs. That was two years ago. Maybe his mind has changed. I think what encouraged me to flip to Justin Fields as a top 12 tight end to draft is that

the Jets don't have another option. Like they're going to have to go 0 and 5 right off the bat for them to even think about turning a turad Taylor Yeah, the other way that they might Imagine if we could actually start him at tight end Sorry Dave you said top 12 tight. I don't know. Okay. Um, no, I don't think you can do that Um, what I was gonna say is they will turn to try Taylor if Justin Fields gets hurt We know he does have an injury history. We know that running backs No, I don't think you can do that. What I was gonna say is they will turn to Tyrod Taylor if Justin Fields gets hurt.

We know he does have an injury history. We know that running backs, or quarterbacks rather, that run do have a tendency to get dinged up and sometimes take on a serious injury. And that's happened to Fields before. His schedule to begin the year, we seem to be doing this a lot on today's show. Steelers in week one, Buffalo in week two.

Revenge game. Tampa in week three. Is that why they put Steelers-J in week one, Buffalo in week two, Tampa in week three. Is that why they put Steelers Jets week one for the Justin Fields revenge? Yeah, it's the Justin Fields revenge. That's right. Okay, let's take a break here. Johnny has such a great comment in the chat. Johnny. Okay.

Oh, this, my villain arc? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know, we get a lot of good feedback about new Adam about what about that episode. So I'm glad you all enjoyed it. Okay, we'll take a break. We'll talk about track. Such a good comment. Would you say someone called you Hollywood?

Hollywood azer, baby. So I have these goofy glasses today. I just I don't know why we bought them for my son and he was gonna wear them to school, but he didn't. And isn't that what Wilmer Simpson wears at work? Yeah, I was gonna look, well, it looks like the ones he falls asleep in, but my wife says it looks like who frame Roger Rabbit when he becomes a tune at the end. He goes, remember me, Eddie. I don't know if you, so. It's a great reference. Yeah. Okay. We'll be right back with Travis Kelsey. What's that? What's the judge's name? In this in the movie or his real name? His real name was Christopher Lloyd. I don't remember. What was it? I don't know. Oh, we'll tell you after the break. All right. We'll be right back after

this. Travis Kelsey is going to be 36 years old in October. He was the number 12 tight end per game in non PPR last year, number seven per game in full PPR. He did have 97 catches, 133 targets, turned that into only three touchdowns at only 823 yards. But Dave says, bold prediction, Travis Kelsey finishes top three among tight ends. You watch him play last year.

He looked like the oldest, slowest football player since the days of, you know, black and white film, where they're wearing leather helmets. He looked terrible. So what's one way you get faster? You lose a lot of weight and he's trimmed down 25 pounds. 130 pounds, Dave, 130. Whatever. Uh, you think how can you lose 25 pounds in one off season?

Uh, especially if you're a football player, you're not supposed to be carrying 25 pounds of excess flab or whatever. They're not me. Um, you, you, you see video of him at mini camp, he looks leaner and he's moving pretty well. I'm not going to say that he's going to be, you know, fast by any stretch of the imagination, but I like that he's lost weight. I think that that's a good thing for him. I think that keeps him in the realm of, of not being a sloth out there and having like zero yards after the catch. I think he can actually gain some decent yardage after the catch moving forward. And I think he's going to get a lot of targets in a lot of catches, because as, as,

as different as teams kind of follow trends defensively, I still think the Chiefs are going to play a lot of zone coverage this year. And that means Mahomes is going to have to throw short. And if he's throwing short, that's good for Rashid Rice. It's not as good for Xavier Worthy, but it's going to be great for Travis Kelsey, especially if defenses start thinking, you know, maybe we need to start covering those younger players a little bit more, and the older guy a little bit less. And there was no drop-off in targets per game for Travis Kelsey last year. I looked this up this morning. 2022 averaged about 9 per game. That's awesome. 2023, he averaged 8.1. Last year, it was 8.3. So he's been consistently at at least 8 targets per game each of the last 3 years. I don't think they're going to fade him completely out of the offense. It's just a matter of how many touchdowns can he get? Well, two years ago, he had five, and he was still one of the top tight ends in fantasy football. I think he can

get five touchdowns in 2025 and go back to being one of the better tight ends. I think he's actually becoming more of a bargain on draft day than, than I ever thought I would believe. And it all started with him losing weight and the thought that the defenses that play against Kansas City, they're still going to be scared of the deep ball against Mahomes. So they'll settle for those underneath throws to Kelsey. I'm glad you mentioned 2023 because 2023 he did have only five touchdown catches, Travis Kelsey, and he actually was the number three tight end overall and the number one tight end per game in 2023 and that was with a preseason foot injury and he missed week one so and then he I think he was pretty good in the playoffs yeah in the playoffs he averaged 89 yards per game and scored three touchdowns so I was very much in on Travis Kelseyce last year, because as I said, he finished as the number one tight end per game with only five touchdowns on 121 targets. And that's fluky. But here's the thing. It's not

just about the touchdowns coming back because he had three last year. It's also the yards. He was horrible in terms of all his metrics. I mean, absolutely. Yeah, so he did nothing after the catch. He was one of the worst tight ends in yards per target. He was one of the worst tight ends in yards per catch. He was middle of the pack in yards per route run. And he averaged four targets per game the first three games of the season with Rashid Rice on the field.

And then, you know, then was like heavily, heavily targeted after that. No Markie's Brown for much of the years, Avery Worthy earning more targets late in the year. I can make cases for and against, and I will make more cases for and against later as I wanna talk about the role that Patrick Bohomes plays in this.

But Jamie, let's get your thoughts on this bowl prediction of Travis Kelsey as a top three tight end. I mean, certainly could happen. You have the touchdown spike. He has a Mark Andrews touchdown season and still gets the opportunity to be as involved in the offense as he has been and easily could be a top three tight end. It will be interesting to see which tight end of the top three doesn't stay in the top three of Bowers, McBride, and Kittle that he knocks them out.

Like we talked about with the quarterbacks yesterday, you can still have great production and all be great. A great production across the board and they're all you know fantastic from a fantasy perspective. I think the thing you know you sort of brought this up is like we haven't seen if everybody's healthy this diverse of receiving core for the Chiefs in the Mahomes-Kelsier. It's been you know sort of one other guy, two other guys along with like we could have three pretty solid receivers here.

Mark East Brown, he talked about this. There was a story in NFL.com about he didn't feel like he was right at all last year when he came back and really the way that he finished and clearly the way that Rice has shown his first year plus before the injury. This could just be too many people taking away touches from Kelsey. And so his production comes in a little bit of a different way. But the best part about it is, and Dave touched on this, and I think the same thing with Mahomes. Like we've been drafting these guys as top three at their position for the last two,

let's say just two years, you know, based on how they've gone. And yes, he rewarded you in 2023, not to the way you probably expected based on where he was drafted because he was a first round pick in 2023, or borderline first round pick in 2023. The production that you should get now based on the cost will hopefully be great. You know, Mahomes is the sixth quarterback and Kelsey, I think, is the sixth tight end or fifth tight end at best. Like that's a hopeful production return on the value that you haven't seen from him in

the last two years for each of those guys. So like you said, Adam, you know, if Mahomes bounces back and plays like the guy that we've seen earlier in his career, then everybody should benefit. But this guy might benefit the most because this is still going to be his third down, need a tough catch over the middle of the field, he's going to lean on him. He's going to lean on him in some red zone opportunities. And as the season goes on, I think, just similar to what we talked about with Mike Evans, this may be a guy you want to trade for because that's what we've seen the last couple of years is

the target spike last two seasons and the production tick up, especially as they got to playoffs. We don't get the benefit of that, but maybe we see it come December as Travis Kelcey starts to become a little bit more of what he's going to be if they make it to the Super Bowl run. He was pretty bad in the playoffs though. He was good against Houston, very good against Houston, and then horrible against Buffalo and Philadelphia. He looked old, he looked slow.

He did, he really did. But yeah, maybe the weight loss will help. And let's take a look, Dave, let's take a look at the role Mahomes plays in this, okay? So we have a graphic here. There were nine games that Passion went Holmes through for more than 250 yards. And in those nine games, this is just regular season, Mahomes averaged 288.4 yards per game.

Kelsey, in those games, 16.2 PPR fantasy points per game. That would have been tight end one. In the seven games that Mahomes threw for fewer than 250 yards, he only averaged 190 yards per game passing, and Kelsey averaged only seven points per game, which would have made him tight end 31. So Patrick Mahomes, a career low 246 passing yards per game last year. When he went over 250 yards, Kelsey was basically tight end one. When he went under 250 yards, Kelsey was tight in 31.

It's a huge range because it's not like 251 to 249, you know what I'm saying? But good Mahomes was good Kelsey. Bad Mahomes was terrible Kelsey. It makes a difference. So what do you make of that? Dave. I mean, this is how it is with pass catchers and

quarterbacks. So when a quarterback does well, of course, his targets are going to do well. I, we can run these numbers. Is, is, is there a correlation between my homes and worthy when it comes to his yardage? I bet it's the exact same thing. Well, I don't know about that.

It's me. This doesn't, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Well, Mahomes and Rice, for example. Well, which of these games are with Rice? Only one of the 250 plus yard games were with Rice. And two of the seven. But Rice, okay, Mahomes threw for 291, 15, and 217 yards in the first three games of the year. Rashi Rice was unaffected. 103 yards, 75 yards, 110 yards. So I don't know about where that,

this really stood out to me. I guess my broader point is that when we talk about Kelsey and this and that, you do have a possibility of Patrick Mahomes throwing for 1,000 more yards than he threw for last year. Certainly. But you also have Rice for more than three games. You have Mark Keith Brown for more than, what, four or five games that he finished, and you have a better worthy. I guess my point would be, agree or disagree with this, the only way Travis Kelsey has a great season is if Patrick Mahomes has a great season. Sure. But you also referenced 2023 when Mahomes was bad. Yeah, right. But they didn't have, Rashi Rice was good for what, six games that year. They

didn't have Xavier Worthy that year. They didn't have Marquis Brown. I think it's a fair correlation. You're not going to get a great year out of Kelsey. And all, I mean, they're all going to, I shouldn't say they're all, probably two or three of these guys are going to be bussed if you're considering Marquis Brown, a potential non-bus at his ADP, but the two or three of these guys are not going to be good if Mahomes isn't good. Like you need Mahomes to have some level of bounce back based on where these guys are all being drafted first six rounds. Or he could have the Mark Andrews touchdown year. That's the other avenue to it. I want more bold prediction. It's from Jamie.

Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. Produce like the first round picks we expected them to be in this upcoming season. They are currently wide receivers 15 and 18, Wilson 15, Harrison 18 in CBS and 14 and 15 in fantasy pros. So you could be looking at the three, four turn around that range for Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. in a 12 team league. And Jamie's bold prediction is that they will both produce like the first round picks they were coming out of the NFL draft. Well, no, the first round picks that we wasted on them last year in fantasy. Oh, that's what you meant. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Yeah, they weren't drafted in the well, Harrison was drafted the first round last year. Um, I'll start with Wilson by all accounts, having a fantastic, uh, OTAs and mini camp. And the nice thing, according to reports, and this goes back to what Dave said about a new play caller, they're moving him around and they're playing him in the slot. They're playing him outside. They're trying to be ways to try to make, you know, easy throws for, uh, Justin Fields. Fields and you know Dave mentioned this like there's one target getter right now that

we feel confident in with the Jets and it's Garrett Wilson and so we saw what DJ Moore did in the year with Justin Fields and so there's the potential for Fields to still support a receiver at a very high level that's got a lot of talent. I still think Garrett Wilson has a lot of talent. Oh by the way these guys were teammates at Ohio State, so the rapport should be there. And hopefully that just picks up where they left off from their collegiate days. But just he's going to get fed targets. And I'll go back to what I said yesterday. Yes, it wasn't a great year for Garrett Wilson by any measure. Beginning part of the season, he was struggling. Second half of the season when they had Demonte Adams

struggling. But I think what we saw before the Adams trade, like things were starting to improve to whatever level. He had the huge spike game. I don't think that was going to be the norm moving forward, but there was obviously something that was starting to connect with Aaron Rodgers. Maybe it was just Rodgers getting comfortable off the Achilles tier because he didn't look good at the start of the season. But now you have hopefully force-fed targets for a guy that has, I still think, elite level production on his resume resume and I'm excited about Garrett Wilson. So he's my favorite of this duo. Marvin Harrison's harder to buy, did have eight touchdowns. That's not something I think that we mentioned enough of that, you know, despite everything

that went bad for him, he still scored eight touchdowns as a rookie. I'll go back to what I said and you said Adam, it took till year three, but same numbers that he had, his father had in his rookie season. I think it was your four for him for senior, right? Yeah. It was Payne Manning's second season. There's still clearly the potential here. And listen, I don't love the bulked up Marvin Harrison.

I'd like him to be a little bit faster, but if he's going to use that to win on more contested catches and hopefully that's the case, like it's not going to take a huge leap if he stays in the eight touchdown range for him to get to be a top 15 caliber wide receiver. Like there's still that potential for him in a second here. So yes, clearly a disappointment, struggled in his rookie campaign, did score eight touchdowns. I know some of it was, you know, he had a three touchdown game in week two. There's just so much to like about what this kid can be.

And I'm going to buy back into both in 2025. At what price? Garrett Wilson to me is around three pick and Marvin Harrison, I would look in round four. I don't have a problem with that, especially since we were taking those guys at least two rounds higher each year ago. I'm much more concerned about Marvin Harrison, to be honest with you, because he's not the only show in town like Garrett Wilson is.

And if he's adding weight and he's adding muscle, I have a hard time believing that he's suddenly going to get faster. And I think that the reason why he added all this weight is so he could win on contested catches. He was awful in contested catch situations last year, and he didn't have any yards after the catch last year. He broke one tackle. He was, he needs to get better there. So I think they are, they're basically forfeiting whatever he might be as a downfield threat in exchange for him to be more of scrimmage. They already have one of those guys in Trey McBride.

So I worry a little bit about just what that target volume will be for Harrison and how reliant he will be on that target volume, game after game after game. Can you get eight targets per game? Probably, but I might not wanna, I wouldn't take them in round three. Let's just put it that way. Does it bother you that there have been, I'm actually, this is actually higher than I thought. There have been 105 wide receivers with a hundred or more targets over the last three seasons.

Garrett Wilson's career. Garrett Wilson is 49th in yards per outrun. Marvin Harrison Jr. incidentally is 50th. You don't see a lot of good receivers below that. You know, once you get to, I would say, Jordan Addison's 52nd, JSN's 54th, and then after that, it is not anyone that we're excited about. Garrett Wilson, he gets 140 targets or more every year and he's never been that good.

So what is changing for him? I guess the broader question, does it bother you that he has done so little with his targets in his NFL career? I don't know if this is the quarterback to fully unleash his potential. It's true. When you think about the guys that he's played with and it's been pretty awful.

Yeah, I know, but again, but right, but that's the thing. I just don't think, oh, Justin Fields. Well, finally he's got a good quarter. I don't think I could say that. Yeah. Right, that's what we thought last year with Aaron Rod, two years ago. This is where advanced metrics,

I don't want to be a slave to them because I got to believe Garrett Wilson's a better receiver than this. two years ago. This is where advanced metrics, I don't want to be a slave to them because I got to believe Garrett Wilson's a better receiver than this. I mean, I just, I can't, I just, I don't think he's Deontay Johnson. I think he's good. I just, I don't know why we haven't seen it.

It's true, but at some point you are what you are. And I think we could be heading there with Garrett Wilson, especially if he underwhelms for a fourth straight year. I mean, the Jets will be heading there with Garrett Wilson, especially if he underwhelms for a fourth straight year. I mean, the Jets will be heading there because they may decide like he's just not worth the fifth year option and. Right. Well, I mean, yeah.

Don't you feel like they're gonna give him a contract? Well, he really wants a new contract. It seems like they're heading in that direction, but it'll be interesting to see what they do. Not that everyone who gets a contract is good. I think if there is a silver lining to fields, it's that he last year, his efficiency was on par with Rogers. Um, Rogers just had a higher touchdown rate.

I don't think fields can, I Rogers was like at like 5%. I want to say, I don't think fields can get there, but I don't think we're drafting Garrett Wilson to be a touchdown maven. I think we're drafting him because we think he can see 160 targets. Maybe he catches 90 of them. I don't know. I don't think he can see that many targets because I just don't think Justin Fields throws enough. I think DJ Moore had 136 targets. He was on pace for 140 in Justin Fields' healthy games. So, okay. So that's probably the number. And he caught what? 80 something balls? He actually caught, he was on pace for 101 catches with Justin Fields. He caught 96 for the season. Sure.

Pickens was on pace for 125 targets. But that's in six games with Justin Fields. There's not really much else. I can't see him getting more than 140. Well, I'd be surprised. What about you? 140 targets for Garrett? That's great. I agree. You get that at the three, four turn. That's really good. Yeah. Do you think one of the reasons why the Jets went so hard after Fields was because They knew that he had a relationship with Wilson I'm sure it helped. I mean you also look at the quarterback market being what it was like who are they gonna get? It is interesting to To look at the Steelers and Jets organizations and one of them

Went all in on Justin Fields and one of them went all in on Aaron Rodgers and the other team had that quarterback last year. And we'll see who ends up looking better, right? I think well, first off, the cost was better for the Steelers. They got Rodgers at a cheaper price. The the other part of it, though, is the coaching like it's much easier for Mike Tomlin to deal with Aaron Rodgers at this point than it is for Aaron Glenn. As a first year coach, like that would have been a nightmare for Aaron Glenn as a first-year coach. That would have been a nightmare for any coach coming in first-year job, as we saw. I'm not sure if you caught this, but while we were talking about Travis Kelsey, I did mention Tyreek Hill. I did say his name, so kept that going. Let's read a few emails

before we head out here. This one is from Wilson. What'd you say? I would take Tyreke over Garrett Wilson. They're very close for me. I would, you know me, I take Tyreke over the combination of Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison and add their fantasy points that won't even equal Tyreke. Bold prediction. Tyreke outscored. Here's my bold prediction. He's already made once. Uh, Olympics, Olympian quit. That's true. Yeah. The guy doesn't want to race him.

You know, he's going to lose. I'll race him. Maybe we save emails for Friday. Thomas, what's our Friday topic? I apologize. Are we looking at Friday? We don't know yet. Something.

Did the show die? Oh, sorry. I was not. Sorry. I was on muted. Um, it's a mini camp notes and a mailbag. So you can save it. Yeah.

All right. If for those of you who, if you had a 50 meter head start in a hundred meter racing as Tyree Co, would you beat him? No. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Is there an Aurelio's pizza at the finish line? Whatever you need. Yes, I can beat him. That's a great question. Who thinks they would beat Tyree Kill if they had a 50 meter start and a 100 meter dash? I think I would beat him. Barely.

I don't. I really don't think I could be. Barely. Jamie? I don't think so. Question for you. If I emailed you instead, I'm going to read your question on today's show. I'm sorry. We're going to save it to Friday. I was played softball on Monday. Here we go.

I line a ball up the middle. Base is loaded. Base is loaded. I line the ball up the middle. Runner at first base doesn't get a great read on it gets thrown out at second base. No hit. Are you giving me a come on give me a hit for that. Well, it was a choice. Sorry.

That's what I said to him. Okay, but I'm up to two hits. No errors in three games since you're the kid the guy hitting in front of you, owes you a single. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I just hit the ball so hard that he just couldn't tell. It was just a screamer.

That happens a lot though, four outfielders, right? Yes. Yeah, it happens a lot. Yeah. Okay, thanks for watching and listening everybody. I did get the RBI though. I did get the RBI, yeah. There you go.

Yeah, we lost. Okay, we'll talk to you. I did get the RBI. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. We lost. Okay. We'll talk to you. I won't invent you. Yeah. I back to second base by the way. I don't think I told you that development. I've been promoted again. Yes. No got hurt. No body. If you, if you, if you shave Sunday morning, our second baseman, um, isn't going to be there. We have to play. You want to come see if you, uh, if you stack up with the 13 year old? I mean, I think I could pass the test just from a look standpoint. Oh, you definitely would pass the test. Yeah.

Jamie, you've got to try and win games, especially after your comment. Well, I would hope that a 40 year old man can do some damage. I actually think I'd be pretty good. What do you think? Against 13? I think they're good 13 year olds are great. 13. Yeah. Well, maybe we can do this. I know we have our big tennis match for charity for St. Jude. Maybe when when's your next trip to Florida? I don't know. Maybe what we can do is we can do some sort of Maybe what we can do is we can do some sort of you facing my pitching staff. I would love to. Oh man, that's gonna be so embarrassing.

How fast do they throw? Our ace who threw a no hitter in the district championship struck out 17 kids. Joey Wagner, fantastic performance. There is no chance you would be able to put a bat on the baseball. Wow. Does he throw a kick? Can I just have him throw fastballs? He would he would throw fastballs by your face. There's no chance like he throws he throws from it's 50 foot mountain by the way. So he throws mid 70s from there. Wow. I could hit that.

I mean I hit seven miles per hour at softball. I think I get it 70 at baseball. So what we could do is we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna work on this. You're gonna come down to Florida. I'm gonna I'm gonna get the kids to come out there. And what's gonna gonna be? Every strikeout? Maybe we take bids on more strikeouts or hits? Like pro-A's or not? And if it's a strikeout, you have to donate a hundred bucks to St. Jude.

Okay, then I'm not doing this. I will run out of money. So, alright, we're out of here, everybody. And have a nice Juneteenth. We'll talk to you on Friday on Benesic Football. Paramount Podcasts