Fantasy Football Today - Bounceback Candidates and Odell Beckham News (04/10 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Odell Beckham is a Raven! We st...art the show by discussing that signing and if we prefer Beckham or Rashod Bateman. What does this mean for Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews? We also give you some news on notes (10:45) on Breece Hall and Kareem Hunt among others ... Starting our bounceback candidates list with some quarterbacks (14:00). How good could Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers be? What is there not to like about Justin Herbert (21:45)? Then we get into running backs (26:40) including Jonathan Taylor and J.K. Dobbins ... Bounceback wide receivers (33:25) include Diontae Johnson and Gabe Davis. Why is Davis someone we might be drafting a lot? And at tight end (43:10), we've got three big names on the bounceback list! ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:37 Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to the show, everybody. It is Monday, and we've got a big week for you here on Fantasy Football today. We'll talk about some NFL draft prospects in the middle of the week. Today, though, we're focusing on bounce-back candidates. Jonathan Taylor went from RB1 in 2021 to RB16 per game last year. Justin Herbert went from QB3 to QB15. Aaron Rodgers, QB4 to QB21.
Starting point is 00:02:04 These are some of the players on our bounce-back list. We'll also talk about the Baltimore Ravens signing Odell Beckham Jr. But first, hello to Heath and Jamie. What was the best part of your weekend, Heath Cummings? The highlight of your weekend? Oh, it was a good, good weekend. I guess probably the ribs and wings off the smoker yesterday. Was that just an Easter treat or just a typical Sunday?
Starting point is 00:02:30 No, it was an Easter dinner, so yeah, you could call it an Easter treat. It's not like I have ribs and wings regularly for Easter, but I do regularly smoke for Easter, I guess. Okay. Jamie, the highlight of your weekend? Does Friday night count? Yes. Oh, absolutely. We had a great baseball game. We had been struggling, losing a lot of one-run games to my 10-year-old team.
Starting point is 00:02:58 And they finally, finally, finally put it all together. Won 15-0. It was a lot of fun. Oh, all right. All right. Good stuff. Well, it sounds like you guys had a good weekend. I hope everybody out there had an excellent holiday and hope you're ready to talk about
Starting point is 00:03:09 some bounce back candidates and the Ravens passing game. Let me play a clip for you from one week ago. This was from one week ago today. I will keep your microphones on if you want to react throughout the clip. Here we go. You see he wants $15 million a year. $15 million for a one-year deal. I don't
Starting point is 00:03:29 buy it. I know that was the report. I'm not just buying it. He's not going to get that. Come on. You don't buy that he's asking for that? Or you don't buy that a team's going to give him that? Both. If Odell Beckham thinks he's getting
Starting point is 00:03:44 a one-year $15 million deal, then he's got problems. There you go. That was from last week. He does not have trouble. He may have problems, but $15 million contract is not one of them. 18.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Could be 18. Could be 18. So, sorry for that Acer take. Who would you guys draft first, Bateman or Beckham? Neither. I would probably lean right now toward Bateman until I see Beckham doing things as part of the team, and then I'll probably switch to Beckham
Starting point is 00:04:17 because I still think there's more upside with him. But neither one is somebody you should draft as a starter. I'll go with Beckham. Give me a round, Heath, for Beckham. 12-team league. I would be surprised. I mean, he's not going to be drafted in the first, well, I'm not going to draft him in the first seven or
Starting point is 00:04:34 eight rounds. I think my initial projection had him around wide receiver 50. I could see getting excited and maybe bumping him up into that wide receiver 40 range at some point, but around eight or nine, maybe. Okay. We have a graphic up here on YouTube. You can watch our shows, youtube.com slash fantasy football today with the Ravens 2023 projected wide receiver room. And that number on the right is the, I think the career receiving yards, not the projected
Starting point is 00:05:00 receiving yards. We don't have Beckham for 7,367 yards this year, but you can see he's much more accomplished than the rest of the receiving room. Any impact at all on Mark Andrews? I don't think so. No. And Heath, you said on Twitter that this for you is a good thing for Lamar Jackson because you think it's more likely he comes back basically well the fact that you know he had a couple Instagram posts with a FaceTime with him and Odell yesterday and then I think of the picture of was it Odell's son in a in a Ravens uniform yeah it sounds like that Lamar was at least a part of the discussion with Beckham I this makes me at the very least I won't even say that it makes me feel more likely he's getting a contract or that he's staying in baltimore this to me decreases the chances
Starting point is 00:05:52 of a holdout that hurts his 2023 season so i read a story um by armando salguero who covers the nfl for outkick that this is almost a sure thing that Lamar Jackson is coming back. And he's not reporting it as if this is from factual stuff from the Ravens. It's just a numbers thing. They have $7 million in salary cap space right now. And so that's why you're hearing agreed as opposed to signed. And according to what he is saying, if you're just connecting the dots, that they are going to sign Lamar Jackson because the $32 million, if that's what he stays at, they will not be allowed to fit Odell Beckham at $15 million under the cap. So what he is alluding to is that they'll be able to work out a deal with Jackson, or I would assume
Starting point is 00:06:41 move on from Jackson. But I agree with Heath. I think all the social media stuff and what seems to be the case, that they're going to sign Lamar Jackson. Now, that could be a one-year deal. It could be a three-year deal. It could be, who knows? But I would guess based on that, and he's covered the league for a long time, that they're going to have to sign Lamar Jackson and then be able to fit Odell Beckham's contract underneath the cap.
Starting point is 00:07:04 And I also think there's a difference between saying that we're not getting excited about Odell Beckham in fantasy and Odell Beckham still likely the best wide receiver that Lamar Jackson's going to have on the team or would have had on the team this year. So I think it can help Lamar Jackson in Baltimore, even if we're not excited about Beckham in Baltimore. Just keep in mind, I mean, he's a, he's a twice removed ACL recovery, uh, wide receiver. That's age 30. I mean, it's, it's tough to, it's tough to say, oh my God, he's gonna, he's gonna be that guy from the Giants. I mean, I think at best you're hoping for peak Cleveland and that's, that's still even a lot to ask for. Pete Cleveland would have been 2019 when he had 74 catches, 1,035 yards
Starting point is 00:07:48 and four touchdowns in 16 games. He was the number 32 wide receiver per game in PPR. Of course, some bad touchdown luck there, only four touchdowns on 133 targets. Maybe even what you got from the Rams where he was pretty good in the postseason. He had 54 yards and a touchdown. He had 69 yards. He had 113 yards in the NFC the postseason. He had 54 yards and a touchdown. He had 69 yards. He had 113
Starting point is 00:08:06 yards in the NFC Championship game, and then he had 52 yards and a touchdown in less than a half before tearing his ACL. His overall numbers in the eight games with the Rams weren't anything special, but the playoffs, they were a lot better. I don't, you know, I guess I just look at, like,
Starting point is 00:08:21 $15 million. It's a franchise that I think is well run, right? I mean, this is not some crappy franchise giving him that. This is the Ravens. Well, not that they've been great with wide receivers, but they haven't paid $15 million a year to a wide receiver. This is a PR move for Lamar Jackson. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:38 That's how you see it. All right. You've seen the Giants were a team that came into this offseason desperate to get help at wide receiver for Daniel Jones. And you see what they've come away with. Like it was an awful, awful free agent wide receiver market. The Ravens are desperately in need of a wide receiver. They've had a hard time attracting top level wide receivers to come play there. They had to overpay. Yeah, I mean, look, to go back to your rant from a week ago, Beckham played this right.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Yes, he did. He took advantage of the market. He took advantage of what seemingly was a strong workout. He did the rip and grin at the owners' meetings. We went around and saw some people there. And he had hype drummed up for him because he was expected to go meet with the jets today. You know, so there was a market for him. Thank goodness also,
Starting point is 00:09:31 like the best news of this whole thing is that Baltimore didn't let him go to New York to meet with the jets. Yeah. It's great for Garrett Wilson. I also think it's a good situation to be honest for DeAndre Hopkins. Cause I think the Ravens were probably in Hopkins market too, you know? And, and, and if you, you know, look, the I think the Ravens were probably in Hopkins market too you know and yeah and and if you you know look the downside for the Ravens if Lamar Jackson's there is it's a volume situation too you know from a Beckham perspective they just don't throw the ball that much I don't think they're going to change dramatically just because Greg Olson's gone
Starting point is 00:09:57 and Todd Monk is there Greg Roman yeah I do think I like Beckham more in Baltimore with Lamar and the competition he has there than I would have in New York with Rodgers. Okay. Okay. Just want to throw this number out there. In the last four years, that's a Lamar Jackson era, basically, not including his rookie year. So 2000, yeah. They had only one year in those four where Lamar Jackson threw the ball more than 30 times per year. And that was 2021. He threw the ball more than 30 times per year, every per game. Uh, he threw 34.4 passes per game in his 11, not counting that partial game that year that we barely played for like four passes in those 11 games. I mean,
Starting point is 00:10:48 Mark Andrews was on pace for 91, nine, Mark Andrews and Marquis Brown were both on pace for more than 90 catches, more than 1100 yards and seven or more touchdowns. So let them throw. I would say that if like he, I would expect he will have at worst his second highest attempts per game this season. All right.
Starting point is 00:11:09 Well, hopefully he gets back to the Ravens and we'll have somebody to talk about. There's plenty to talk about in the world of fantasy baseball. Jamie and I had lost a heartbreaker last night to Chris towers in the first week of our fantasy baseball league. But if you guys need some help, check out the fantasy baseball today podcast. It is League. But if you guys need some help, check out the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast. It is outstanding.
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Starting point is 00:11:58 I'm clicking if you're watching. And you'll see all of our live shows archived there. Taking a look at the news and notes other than the Beckham News, Cleveland beat writer Terry Pluto says that the Browns were concerned that Kareem Hunt was losing a step, losing speed in 2022. So what's the question here with Kareem Hunt? I mean, is there a scenario where you're going to, where if he signs somewhere, you're going to get excited about Kareem Hunt? Are we more or less just sort of putting him in the Leonard Fournette group of, I guess I'll use the word washed up or past his prime.
Starting point is 00:12:35 I think the only one for me that I could think of would be if Cincinnati moves on from Joe Mixon and it's Kareem Hunt and like a day three rookie. Okay. Yeah. I think Hunt, Zeke, and Fournette are all three kind of in the same group. There could be the right spot, but most likely they're washed up. Jets head coach Robert Sala said that Brees Hall looks fantastic.
Starting point is 00:13:01 We're going to have a medical episode at some point. We'll get some expert on, and we'll talk about the differences between Brees Hall and Javante Williams. We'll get some insight on that. We're not doctors. I mean… But I slept at a lot. You know, I've got expertise. Now, Tennessee signed defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons to a four-year, $94 million extension. A criminal charge of aggravated menacing has been refiled against Joe Mixon, according to TMZ. So I guess he does have some legal issues to clear up.
Starting point is 00:13:38 And the Chiefs signed Richie James. Anyone care about that? Two guys wearing Chiefs-colored shirts today. Jamie and Heath. I don't mind it, you know, for depth. They need some security there, knowing the injury history for Kadarius Toney. So he played well last year with Daniel Jones.
Starting point is 00:13:58 It's obviously a quarterback upgrade. So not a bad deep league late-round flyer. Okay. You've sat through enough non-bounce back talk. Why don't we take a quick break? Why don't you sit through a break? And then when we come back, we'll talk about some bounce back candidates,
Starting point is 00:14:11 including Justin Herbert, who, like I said earlier, went from the number three quarterback in fantasy to the number 15 quarterback in fantasy. We'll talk about him and many more right after this on Fantasy Football Today. Did you know that across Ontario, utility damage happens 19 times a day? That's over 4,222 incidents a year.
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Starting point is 00:14:46 to get the job done right. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. And welcome back. Here we go. Bounce back candidates. We have four quarterbacks. One from Heath, three from Jamie. The three from Jamie are Deshaun Watson,
Starting point is 00:15:00 Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers. Heath, do you disagree with any of those? No. I mean, I think with any of those? No. I mean, I think they're all bounce-back candidates. I don't anticipate any of the three of them currently being top 10 quarterbacks this year, but
Starting point is 00:15:17 Watson would be the one who could obviously that I think would be most likely. Watson, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers. Jamie, do you think any of them will be top 10 quarterbacks and who would be most likely. Okay. Watson, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers. Jamie, do you think any of them will be top 10 quarterbacks? And who's the most likely if not? Well, I have Watson ranked ninth right now. So yes, I do think he'll be a top 10 quarterback.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Rodgers, I think, has a little bit higher ceiling than Russell Wilson because if he's anything close to what he was two years ago I mean clearly that's a superstar fantasy option so um Russ has a lot to prove you know I hope he's not washed or washed up depending on what you like to say um but there's uh there's clearly paths for all three of these guys you. Watson mostly just playing a full season, and then Rodgers refreshed out of the cave, and Russell Wilson was the new coach. Yeah, so Rodgers was QB4 per game in 2021. Wilson wasn't great in 2021,
Starting point is 00:16:21 but he was great for I think it was only four games before his injury. Then he came back way too soon. And he was great after the finger healed as well. Didn't he finish hot as well? Finished pretty well. I don't remember if it was great, but it was good. It was certainly good. He just had a few games right after the injury where he came back too soon and he stunk.
Starting point is 00:16:40 But what do you think, for Watson, Wilson, and Rodgers, what's the highest you could see them finishing, realistically? Watson, five. And then Rodgers and Wilson, 10 through 12. I'd say Watson, four. And Wilson, eight. Rodgers, 12. Okay. Watson four and Wilson eight, Rogers 12. Okay.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Jamie convinced me that Russell Wilson is not washed up. Sean Payton taking that job, knowing that he's tied to Russell Wilson for the next probably two to three years. So I don't think despite the big money situation that he got, the big salary that he got, that's obviously a huge allure to come back and coach for that franchise. But you're tying yourself to a quarterback at his age, coming off the season that he just had.
Starting point is 00:17:35 If they are able to keep their receiving core intact by adding Tim Patrick and another year of Greg Dolchitz, it's still a very good group with a run game that might be suspect if Javante Williams isn't there. So good offensive line, great coach and play caller, very good weapons. I think Russell Wilson just hopefully can recreate some of his past
Starting point is 00:17:58 abilities and bounce back to not the level that he was at in Seattle, but hopefully, hopefully pretty close to that. Why not though? Why not the level? Why not the that he was at in Seattle, but hopefully pretty close to that. Why not, though? Why not the level he was at in Seattle? I just think age. He's certainly not going to run anymore. So you lose that.
Starting point is 00:18:15 And look, he just might be not the same guy. He had a lot of flexibility, a lot of freedom in Seattle to sort of save the day in fourth quarter situations, a lot of comeback situations. That was sort of his specialty. And maybe he got away from that a little bit. Maybe it wasn't Nathaniel Hackett. Maybe it was a play calling. We saw the offense look better when Nathaniel Hackett was gone.
Starting point is 00:18:37 And so Sean Payton coming in might be able to help him get back to that level. I wouldn't put that expectation out there. He's one of my favorite take a chance on a second quarterback type of guy because if he does bounce back, you'll be happy to have him on your team. This is a moment where I want to bring something up, but I'm nervous that Jamie already brought it up.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Did you mention that they signed Mike McGlinchey? I said the offensive line. McGlinchey's more of a run blocker than he is a pass blocker, but he's certainly an upgrade on the offensive line. Okay. That was a big off season acquisition for the Denver Broncos at right tackle. Uh, Heath, why should I buy into an Aaron Rogers bounce back when, if he goes to the jets, his offensive coordinator will be the same guy that was so bad for Russell Wilson
Starting point is 00:19:21 last year, Nathaniel Hackett. He's familiar with Nathaniel Hackett and has had success working with Nathaniel Hackett. Russell Wilson was a superstar quarterback going to work with someone he'd never worked with before. And so they had to make that work and they couldn't. But I am not particularly optimistic about an Aaron Rodgers bounce back either. I just I think it's more like i i could see it happening i don't want to downsell like if it happens how it would be i just i the longer this goes on and the more we hear about the last couple years in green bay i worry that it's just
Starting point is 00:19:55 going to be a disaster why well i just don't like because i i i think if it's easy to look in the rearview mirror and say so it was a 39 year old quarterback who said he was 90 percent retired and couldn't get along with the team that he was on and he went to the jets and we thought that was going to make everything better okay like you know what i'm saying yeah yeah i mean well well I mean, well, it's hard for him to not bounce back from QB 23. I think we can agree on that. But the question is, I mean, is he going to even be top 15? I guess what's better about the Jets this year than the Packers last year?
Starting point is 00:20:42 Are they more talented? I mean, you got like a second year Garrett Wilson. That's good. Plus you got Lazard. But probably a better defense. Maybe a run-oriented team. I don't know. Is the situation better,
Starting point is 00:20:57 or is it just Rodgers is going to just be better? Because he's Aaron Rodgers, and we've seen this before from him. We saw him struggle a few years ago, and then he had back-to-back MVPs. And it was a change, right? It was a change in coach. It was a change in motivation, if you want to put that there, with the drafting of Jordan Love.
Starting point is 00:21:13 I think, look, he's not going to be 16.3 points per game. He's probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20. And so if you can buy into Garrett Wilson, I think we're all excited about him. We're all taking him as a potential top 10 wide receiver somewhere in the first three rounds, depending on how you want to qualify it. And then it's a matter of what's around the group. And I think also, look, you have to take into account new play caller. But when it wasn't Zach Wilson, how much did they throw the ball last year for the Jets?
Starting point is 00:21:40 Quite a bit. And so if Rodgers has that opportunity you know which was kind of lacking even in his mvp season you know he wasn't throwing the ball like you would expect an mvp type quarterback to throw he's just so efficient he doesn't turn the ball over and he has a lot of touchdowns and so if he can get back to that touchdown range you know if he can be a 30 plus touchdown guy he could be a 4500 yard passer again limit the interceptions he's not gonna be be an MVP, but he certainly has the ability to be a starting fantasy quarterback. And so it's just a matter of what your expectations are. Again, shouldn't be drafting him as a high-end starter. You might not even want to draft him as a starter to begin with. I know Heath doesn't want
Starting point is 00:22:15 to do that. I have him as a low-end starter. He's 12th for me, but he's in that group of Kirk Cousins and Daniel Jones and Russell Wilson and some of these other guys there. And so it's just a matter of what your expectations are. So he's not someone you should feel extremely confident in, but I would confidently say he's going to perform better than he did a year ago. To what extent, we'll find out. Okay, let's talk about Justin Herbert then, Heath. He went from QB3 per game to QB15 per game,
Starting point is 00:22:39 and he still threw the ball a ton. What do you think the impact of Kellen Moore will be on Justin Herbert? I would expect, even if Kellen Moore wasn't there, you can look at it and just see Herbert as the free space, as the bounce back candidate, because he's not 35 or 39 years old. He is a 20-year-old guy who, as a 24-year-old, saw a big drop in his touchdown rate and a big drop in his yards per attempt. So I would have just expected his numbers to bounce back regardless.
Starting point is 00:23:10 But listen, they did not let Herbert throw down the field very much. I think we'll see more of that. I think we will see his yards per attempt improve in a big way. His average intended error yards will improve in a big way. I wouldn't be surprised if the completion percentage drops just a little bit, but I think he could be a more efficient Dak when Dak was at his best with Kellen Moore. We don't know how much last year of the Packers changing things up was Mike McCarthy, but I think a lot of it was. I expect more of what Dak was with Kellen Moore the two years before.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Another thing for Herbert is he hurt, I'm sorry, was it his ribs early in the year? Yes. And then he stopped running. So he'll probably have close to double his rushing yards, roughly 175 last year to about 350. I don't remember exactly what it was. No, it was 147 last year, which was half of what he had in 2021. He had 302 in 2021. I think 250 to 300 is fair.
Starting point is 00:24:11 I think the thing you look at is it's not just his health. The offensive line got banged up again last year. This team just annually, injuries, both sides of the ball. Obviously, it makes Chiefs fans happy, but it ruins what, you know, the excitement for what Chargers fans are and can be. But I think right now you just look at it, it's almost, the offseason has so far worked out very well. Upgraded offensive coordinator, keeping Keenan Allen, keeping Austin Eckler for now. I mean, if he has all of his weapons in place, and I know he said this on a previous show, Josh Palmer as the third receiver is, you know, maybe in the conversation for,
Starting point is 00:24:50 you know, not the best third receiver, but you know, he's, he's not far down the list. You know, when you look at what his potential could be, and so Mike Williams can stay healthy, Eckler can stay there and Keenan Allen stays healthy. I mean, it's, it's a pretty good group. And, you know, even to go back to last year, he lost Keenan Allen for half the season. Yeah. And Mike Williams for a good portion of it too. So just having everybody on the field I think is a big plus for him. So this is going to be the guy I think when we look back at the 2023 post-mortem
Starting point is 00:25:18 and we say, why wasn't he once again a top three quarterback? Because he just has that much upside. Yeah. I was pretty disappointed in Josh Palmer, actually, because I thought he'd have a better year with all the opportunities he had with Allen out the first half of the year with Williams out. In fact, Mike Williams and Keenan Allen
Starting point is 00:25:36 played four games together in which neither of them left with an injury. That's all Justin Herbert had his top two weapons for. Four games. But I've brought this up before. I think some people just don't believe in his weapons. They don't think Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Josh Palmer is a very good receiving core. Uh, yes. I don't know. Like I could understand not thinking it's one of the best receiving cores, but I don't understand what the argument would be that Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Josh Palmer is not a very good receiving core.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Like that doesn't make any sense to me. It's speed. They're not a dynamic explosive offense. I understand, but Keenan Allen's a perennial, like starwide receiver. Mike, I don't understand. The hardest part for me with Herbert is, I guess, where to rank him. Everybody likes him as a bounce-back candidate,
Starting point is 00:26:34 but do you like him more than Justin Fields? I know Heath doesn't. I don't know, Jamie, you, Fields, or Herbert? No, right behind Fields right now. But again, that's probably one that I'll look back on and say, why did I fall for the shiny new toy again? But I would take Herbert right now over Lamar Jackson. And not over, so he's fifth, he's sixth. He's sixth.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Sixth, okay. Because Burrow, then, you know, big three, then Burrow, then Fields, then Herbert. How about you, Heath? Six or seven. I struggle with him and Lamar. This Beckham thing might be enough for me. Have you put Lamar back over Herbert? I mean, the problem is I don't actually think, and it's kind of the same way with Joe Burrow. I don't think the best season for Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow is as good as the best season for Mahomes, Hertz, Burrow, or Mahomes, Hurts, Allen, or even Justin Fields. All right, let's go over to our running back bounce backs,
Starting point is 00:27:29 all provided by Mr. Eisenberg. Jonathan Taylor, RB1 in 2021, RB16 per game in 2022. J.K. Dobbins really just couldn't quite get healthy, and it was so annoying the way he was used down the stretch. And then Damian Harris went from RB20 per game to RB51 per game. I was surprised to see Damian Harris on this list. All right, give me the rundown here. Taylor, Dobbins, Harris.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Well, Taylor wants to fight Herbert and Heath's free space rankings of the top bounce back candidate, because, I mean, clearly if he stays healthy, there's plenty of upside. I mean, you can certainly see the downside, too, with an inexperienced quarterback, whatever whatever route they're going to go unless they swing the the big trade to get lamar jackson which is i think still being rumored but probably unlikely at this point but uh rookie quarterback you know um new play caller i do think the fact
Starting point is 00:28:19 that it's shane steichen you know will help john taylor hopefully in the passing game a little bit more if they go that route. But he's clearly going to be the focal point of the offense, understandably so. And if he's just healthy, I think that lends itself to him being in the top five conversation as a position. Okay. And where exactly do you have him?
Starting point is 00:28:37 I struggle between him and Barkley at the 3-4 spot. They're behind McCaffrey and behind Eckler, at least at this point, but top five. Heath, Barkley, or Taylor? Yeah, I've got Taylor one spot behind Barkley at fourth. Okay. J.K. Dobbins, Jamie. Well, I think it's almost the theory of two years removed from the ACL and other needs situation that he was dealing with, but, but the ACL tear and just
Starting point is 00:29:10 hopefully being healthy. And I think that's just a big part of it. We saw flashes last year of him just looking amazing when he came back from the second procedure that he had and just hopefully being a hundred percent, you know, I think this is his year to, I think, take a step forward. You know, we're not going to see a big involvement in the passing game, which is his year to, I think, take a step forward. We're not going to see a big involvement in the passing game, which is clearly going to hold down his ceiling. But I don't think Gus Edwards is going to be a guy that's going to ruin him completely. I don't think they're going to add to their backfield in a significant way. And I just think he's one of these guys that we quietly overlook,
Starting point is 00:29:41 just based on the expectations of of the i'm going to throw him in the in the second year guys but travis etn and kenneth walker and breeze hall and those guys and where does giovante williams go and the the older crew of mixon and dalvin cook and camaro you know we just don't really talk a lot about jk dobbins and i think he's going to have a a pretty solid season for the draft value that you'll be able to get him at, especially if Lamar Jackson's there. So he went, a few weeks ago in our draft, he went after Miles Sanders, after Damian Pierce,
Starting point is 00:30:14 Miles Sanders, and just before Cam Akers and Isaiah Pacheco. So it went Pierce, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Pacheco. Thoughts? The only one for me would be Sanders. Yeah, I'd rather have Sanders and Pierce.
Starting point is 00:30:32 And I'd definitely rather have Dobbins over Akers. Jamie, you'd rather have Dobbins over Damian Pierce? No. Pierce, Dobbins, Sanders of the guys you like. Oh, okay. I get it. Pierce, Dobbins, Sanders are the guys you look up to. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:30:45 I get it. Okay. Pierce, Dobbins, Sanders, and Heath, I'm sorry. You did like Pierce. Did you also like Sanders out of Dobbins? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yeah, I think I'm higher on Sanders. Okay. And then Damian Harris. Interesting choice here for a bounce back. Well, I mean, clearly health is a part of this.
Starting point is 00:31:04 He was very banged up last season but i i do think the change of scenery will hopefully help him i mean you know i think if he's uh anything close to what he was two years ago going based on what sean mcdermott said about wanting a bigger back with speed and maybe not loving james cook in that featured role you know i don't know if he's gonna score 15 touchdowns, but I think he's got a chance to, you know, maybe be the lead running back in Buffalo. And so just getting an opportunity here to, you know, compete with a guy that may not be a first and second down type of rusher on an offense that I know hasn't exactly featured the running backs very much. But, you know, again, the conversation coming out of Arizona from the owners meetings was maybe Josh Allen runs a little bit less. Maybe he gets a few of those those goal and opportunities. Maybe that's what they were
Starting point is 00:31:46 missing. You know, why Josh Allen was getting a lot of those rushing touchdowns was a more physical presence in the backfield over Devin Singletary over, you know, an injured and often injured Zach Moss and Damian Harris is that type of guy. Again, not someone you should invest heavily in, but not a bad third running back that could hopefully turn to a flex and maybe more if James Cook doesn't materialize into the player that we hope he can become. Yeah, it's interesting with Damian Harris because in 2021, he was the number 20 running back per game in PPR, but he was number 12 per game in non-PPR.
Starting point is 00:32:14 And then in 2022, he only played four games before he got hurt. In those four games, he was the number 21 running back per game in PPR. Three touchdowns. Number 17 in non-PPR. So he's always going to need the touchdowns, but he's been a good running back. And by the way, he did that those first four games. He had 53 carries.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Ramondre Stevenson had 43 carries. So it's not like he was the only guy. He split. He was scoring the touchdowns, and he was basically as productive as he was the year before in terms of PPR per game finish. Then after the injury, he couldn't stay healthy. He lost the job, basically, to Stevenson.
Starting point is 00:32:54 All right, so those are some running backs. Anything to add, Heath, on Taylor Dobbins or Damian Harris? I think Harris, for me, feels the most like the Rogers Wilson, not going to bounce all the way back to what he did, but is going to be better than he was last year. Perfect. Let's take another break here. We've got wide receivers and tight ends to talk about after this. Looking at some bounce back wide receiver candidates for 2023.
Starting point is 00:33:17 All right. We got two from Heath, Deontay Johnson and DJ Moore, and two from Jamie, Gabe Davis and Cortland Sutton. Heath, you can start. Deontay Johnson and DJ Moore. And two from Jamie, Gabe Davis and Cortland Sutton. Heath, you can start. Deontay Johnson, this was top 12 wide receiver per game in 2021. Wide receiver 50 per game in PPR in 2022. And even worse than that in the other formats. And then DJ Moore, who went from wide receiver 26 per game
Starting point is 00:33:42 to wide receiver 35 per game. Go ahead. Yeah, I think with Deontay Johnson, the easy and obvious thing is he's not going to score zero touchdowns again, especially considering his involvement in the red zone really didn't change last year. He just could not catch anything in the end zone. They could not make a connection. He's still graded out very well in terms of ability to get open. If you were just looking for a guy to get open on a route,
Starting point is 00:34:07 Deontay Johnson still does that very well. I think we'll see improvement from Kenny Pickett. I still expect Johnson will lead this team in targets by a pretty good margin. He won't get all the way back up to the top 12 wide receiver, but I think he's got a chance to get into that top 25. I don't have him ranked quite that high, but I do think he has a chance to be a top 25 guy again. Who do you guys like better, Deontay Johnson
Starting point is 00:34:25 or George Pickens? Deontay and PPR, Pickens and the other formats. I think Pickens will score more touchdowns. Not even worrying about last year. I just think that's the type of player he'll be. He'll be more of a big play threat. And so, maybe a better
Starting point is 00:34:41 red zone option for Kenny Pickett. But I think Deontay Johnson still leads them in targets and receptions. Yeah. I had Pickens ahead of Johnson, but I, my next rankings update, that'll change. I'll, I'll have Johnson ahead and full PPR for sure. I just, I think maybe I projected a little bit too much of a leap in target earning for Pickens in my first run because Pickens has really never shown the ability to earn targets.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Pickens went ahead of Deontay by a full round. Pickens was a mid-round six pick in a three-receiver PPR league. Deontay Johnson was a mid-round seven pick. We'll see. I think... A steal.
Starting point is 00:35:24 A steal, yeah. Is he a steal there? No, he's a stealer. You didn't hear me correctly. Oh, he's a stealer. You said he was a stealer, right? Yeah, no, he's a stealer. I think...
Starting point is 00:35:36 Again, I agree with you. I think he's going to bounce back. He's certainly going to score probably in the neighborhood of five touchdowns, would be my guess. And Pickett will be better. So leading target guy, guy that's shown the ability will be better. So leading target guy,
Starting point is 00:35:46 guy that's shown the ability to be a 100-catch guy, you know, will he ever get back to that level with this, you know, inexperienced quarterback in this system
Starting point is 00:35:54 with some better competition around him? Probably not, but I still like the opportunity for him to play better than the seventh-round pick in PPR. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Pittsburgh, by the way, last in the NFL in touchdown passes with 12. They threw 12 touchdown passes last year. Pittsburgh, by the way, last in the NFL in touchdown passes with 12. They threw 12 touchdown passes last year. Okay, DJ Moore bouncing back to what exactly, Heath?
Starting point is 00:36:13 We lost Heath, so it's probably a bad one to talk about. All right. Gabe Davis, if things stay the way they are, let's see where Gabe Davis went in this draft. He went into the last pick of round eight and I want to look at Fantasy Pro's consensus. I feel like
Starting point is 00:36:30 Gabe Davis, let me go to PPR before I make this stupid statement like I did last week about Beckham in the contract. Gabe Davis, yes, he is wide receiver 44 in consensus rankings behind Darnell Mooney. He will be my most rostered player.
Starting point is 00:36:45 That's an early guess for me. Jamie, what's your Gabe Davis bounce back case? Yeah, I don't disagree. The thing is, it's like when I said this, I'm like, I don't know exactly what he's bouncing back to. Because he's never really had a great fantasy season. It's more bouncing back maybe to the expectations. And I don't think he's going to get to that either.
Starting point is 00:37:02 But as we talked about when we did this with the sleepers last week, that I think there's a much higher ceiling that he can get to. And he's shown you that ability at times. It's just a matter of, can he do it over a full season? Now we saw flashes. And again, we can discuss the reasons why the ankle injury early in the season, then he started to build to something. And then Josh Allen had the shoulder problem or the elbow problem, excuse me.
Starting point is 00:37:22 And the downfield throws just weren't there. So I think for me, it's just, and you probably have a similar feeling about this, you're attaching yourself to one of the best passers in the league, and he's still going to be on the field a lot. He's still going to be a primary option for them. Will he ever get the target share that we look for? No, but he was starting to get that though before that Jets game, which is what you'd like to see, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of six plus targets. If he can do that on a consistent basis, he could be an absolute monster. And so that's the hope. And so it's not, again, bouncing back to anything that he's ever done consistently. It's certainly not bouncing back
Starting point is 00:37:56 to that playoff performance we saw in 2021, because that's unrealistic. But I do think that there is a much higher ceiling for him to get to. And it's more just, I guess, probably putting him in the post-type sleeper category as opposed to the bounce back category. So I apologize if he's labeled incorrectly. I, I guess I don't get to do my thing where I was going to make fun of you guys for talking about Gabe Davis as a bounce back candidate,
Starting point is 00:38:17 when he just set a career high in receptions, yards, tightest career high in touchdowns and set a career high in fantasy points and fantasy points per game. But yeah, you managed to do it. I agree with everything else you guys said about Gabe Davis. I think that the Josh Allen elbow injury is really what stands out to me. He threw in the first weeks 1 through 9,
Starting point is 00:38:39 I think it was 8 games, he threw 13 passes of 35 or more air yards. 5 of them went to Gabe Davis. Weeks 10 through 18, more air yards. Five of them went to Gabe Davis. Weeks 10 through 18, he threw eight of them, only two to Gabe Davis. And I think Davis was really hurt by that. He's not going to be a big target share guy. He's going to be inconsistent. But hopefully, I think what we saw from him after the Allen elbow injury,
Starting point is 00:39:02 oh, you know what? It was supposed to be weeks 10 through 17 because Josh Allen said he started to feel better in week 18, and I think that's an even more convincing stat. Sorry. So, anyway, once week 18 rolled around and Allen started to feel better, we saw more. Yeah, he only threw four.
Starting point is 00:39:17 That's right. He threw four pass attempts of 35 or more air yards from weeks 10 through 17. He threw four alone in week 18. Yeah, and then Davis had like 10 targets in that game or something. So I do think the evolution was a factor. One thing that, and this is, you can't say this because we just don't know, but he missed, I believe it was, the biggest game
Starting point is 00:39:39 where Josh Allen was throwing the ball down the field, which was week two against Tennessee when Stephon Diggs went absolutely crazy. Yeah. Remember, he came back. He wasn't healthy. Then in week five against Pittsburgh, three catches, 171 yards, two touchdowns. I can't make any case that he's not going to be an inconsistent kind of up and down guy, but I think more ups than
Starting point is 00:39:57 downs. Heath, if he's going in round nine, are you going to have a lot of Gabe Davis? 100%. Yes, absolutely. Love it. Yeah, baby. I don't think there's anything yet, which would be no less excited about him than we were last year. Maybe more so. What,
Starting point is 00:40:11 what category he's category lists. Is he a sleeper? No, he remains a break. If he's going in that range, he's asleep. No, he remains a breakout.
Starting point is 00:40:18 He's never broken out. He is still, he's still just what? 25 years old, 24 years. Don't forget the TM though, buddy. Cause I don't think this is the guy who's winning you leagues. He's winning just, what, 25 years old? 24 years old. Don't forget the TM, though, buddy, because I don't think this is the guy who's winning you leagues. He's winning you weeks.
Starting point is 00:40:29 He could win you leagues. Okay. If he does what we're talking about him doing last year, he'll win you leagues. Ooh, contract year? Very nice. Heath, DJ Moore is bouncing back to what? Top 20-ish wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:40:45 Unless Justin Fields makes TM the leap that Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, and Jalen Hurts made, and then he's a top 10 wide receiver again. But obviously the Baker-Mayfield connection was awful for him and a disaster. But he's still a very good wide receiver. He won't have to play with Baker-Mayfield this year. And they value's still a very good wide receiver. He won't have to play with Baker Mayfield this year. And they,
Starting point is 00:41:07 they value him like a number one wide receiver. Like they can't stop talking well, good about him. So I expect a ton of targets. And Sutton, we don't, we talk so much about Jerry, Judy,
Starting point is 00:41:17 Jamie. I cannot say Jerry, Judy, Jamie again. That was a mistake. Courtland Sutton though. What do you think about Sutton? And let me tell you where he went in the draft.
Starting point is 00:41:28 He went just before Gabe Davis, about five picks before Gabe Davis, in the middle of round eight. And in the consensus rankings, Cortland Sutton PPR is wide receiver 35. That would be in between Traylon Burks and George Pickens. What do you think? I mean, we've seen the ceiling, you know, with pre-ACL and certainly pre-Russell Wilson, where he was a thousand-yard guy in his second year
Starting point is 00:41:50 and then has struggled with, you know, injuries and quarterback play over the last, you know, three years. But I like the addition of Sean Payton. I think that we'll see a better Russell Wilson. He's still, I think, the better downfield threat of this receiving core. You know, it's a matter of, you know, how much will he lose with Tim Patrick back and maybe a better Jerry Judy.
Starting point is 00:42:08 But I think Corlin Sutton is going to end up being a great value pick and somebody that can not exceed his best season, because I don't know if that's realistic with this group that he has around him, but certainly somebody that can be closer to where he was a year ago based on expectations. I know you were very excited about him, obviously. No, that was someone else. Madam Schmaser. you know, closer to where he was a year ago based on expectations. You know, I know you were very excited about him, obviously, but... No, that was someone else.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Madam Schmaser. I think there's just a lot to like about Cortland Sutton based on where he's going. Okay. And would you take him or Gabe Davis? I think it would depend on my roster build. I think if I'm looking for ceiling, it's obviously Gabe Davis.
Starting point is 00:42:42 If I'm looking for a better floor player, it's Cortland Sutton. How about the two guys I mentioned? Traylon Burks, George Pickens, Gabe Davis. I'm looking for a better floor player. It's Cortland Sutton. How about the two guys I mentioned? Traylon Burks, George Pickens, Gabe Davis. Sorry, Cortland Sutton. Traylon Burks, George Pickens, Cortland Sutton. Who do you like? I'd probably take the other guys just with the upside.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Yes, all of the names that you have mentioned ahead of Cortland Sutton. Okay. Tight ends. Look at these names. Bounce backs. Mark Andrews,yle pitts and darren waller mark andrews kyle pitts darren waller all right here i'm just going to ask a somewhat obnoxious mark andrews question good because good good if you look at his career there is an obvious outlier it's 2021 1361, nine touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:43:25 That's his only season with more than 852 yards. He does have a 10-touchdown season in there as well, but why should I believe that he is capable of, say, 1,100 yards, which would be in between his breakout year and his second-best year? Well, we just talked about how we expect the Ravenvens to have the second most pass attempts per game in lamar jackson era also he had 847 yards last year and 14 and a half games when he played half of those games with a backup quarterback so that's not a very big bridge at all from 847 yards in 14 and a half games to 1100 yards in 17 games. He was on pace for 960 yards in the 17 games.
Starting point is 00:44:11 He left one game early with an injury. He really was bad after the injury. I mean, how much are you going to count that? I don't know if it was the injury or if it was the quarterbacks. But after he came back in his last seven games he was on he was just horrible he's on pace for zero touchdowns 872 yards well you say he left one game early during the injury he only played 10 snaps in that game but the game before i think he actually got hurt he played almost the whole game hurt and only saw two targets in the entire game. And I
Starting point is 00:44:45 think it was the only game that he played all year that he did not have a catch, but he played in. Yeah. I definitely think that is part of the bounce back, but more it's just, I don't think that the offense or the situation is going to be as bad in the second half of the season. Is it, is it fair to, and I, i by no means think that he's better off with anybody but lamar jackson currently in the in the scheme of what the ravens are looking at but didn't his best stretch of production on a per game basis come with tyler huntley at the end of 2021 yeah i believe that is yes i mean i don't know how long of a stretch we want to talk about. There was, he was awesome during that stretch.
Starting point is 00:45:32 I think it was almost entirely volume based and not efficiency based. I think Tyler Huntley, that first time he became a starter, just threw it 12 times a game to Mark Andrews. But yes, that was the best stretch of his career. I'll give you the numbers. 2021, he was the number one tight end in fantasy. He played 11 games with Lamar Jackson. His 17-game pace was only 136 targets. 87 catches. This is his pace with Lamar Jackson.
Starting point is 00:45:57 87 catches, 1,141 yards, 8 touchdowns on 136 targets. Without Lamar Jackson, he was on pace for 184 targets. So that's nearly 50 more. 145, but I think he was probably still more efficient. 145 catches, 1,765 yards, 11 touchdowns. That was his pace. He had a 29.4% target share. But let's just go to...
Starting point is 00:46:27 That was sort of answered at the beginning of this 2022 season when people were like, well, Heath was saying, remember when Lamar Jackson was the problem for Mark Andrews? LOL. Because in the first seven games, he was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Lamar... Sorry, Mark Andrews. I have seven. I included the zero catch game. But even if you include that game, because I don't know that he got hurt in that game. I think we'd have to look into that. 95 catches, 1,105 yards, 12 touchdowns on 143 targets with a 31.4% target share before his injury,
Starting point is 00:47:02 before the game that he left with an injury. So I think that notion was kind of dispelled. He's never going to be as good as he was in those games point four percent target chair before his injury before the game that he left with an injury so i think that notion was kind of dispelled he's never going to be as good as he was in those games with tyler huntley but he still was so good and that was with lamar jackson like being good but not not not like he was throwing a ton you know so i don't know um i i think the big question with andrews is is he a secondround pick or a third-round pick? What do you guys think? I don't know if that's based on the player.
Starting point is 00:47:31 I think it's based on how you want to build your team. So, I would say he's a third-round pick. I've got him at the end of round two, but I'm the early tight end guy. I'd like to take Kelsey or Andrews. You don't think he'll make it to the fourth round typically, do you? Certainly not in analyst leagues. You might see it with all the quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:47:52 that get pushed up in most other leagues. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those he crept into round four. 10 team leagues for sure. He's a round two pick in the consensus rankings. He's the number 20 overall player in the Fantasy Pros PPR consensus rankings.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Mark Andrews is ahead of A.J. Brown, Brees Hall, Amandra St. Brown, and more, and many more. Probably a little early even for Heath. I'd bet him 20th. Never mind. Well, then you kind of lied, because you said you had him at the end of round two.
Starting point is 00:48:28 I don't think that's the end. Okay. Okay. What's the, what's the end? I think pick 22 is the end of round four. The beginning of the end of Oh,
Starting point is 00:48:38 it depends. Are you splitting it up in half? Are you splitting it up in thirds? No, there's a beginning, there's a middle, there's a beginning, a middle,
Starting point is 00:48:43 and end. Obviously the beginning is the first three picks. The end is the last three picks. No, the's a beginning, a middle, and end. Obviously, the beginning is the first three picks. The end is the last three picks. No, the first three picks are basically the first round. No, they're the beginning of the second round. That's basically the first round. It's no difference between the 10th, 11th, or 12th pick and the first, second, third pick.
Starting point is 00:48:56 Well, there's a beginning, a middle, and the end. You've got to go by four. No, I don't think you have to go by four. I knew you were going to go there. The beginning is three. The end is three. The middle is six. This exact argument is why I say that you were going to go there. The beginning is three, the end is three, the middle is six. This exact argument
Starting point is 00:49:05 is why I say that you're now middle-aged. Why is that? Because you're in the middle of your life. Which is bigger than the beginning and the end. Are you turning 40 this year? No, 39. We'll do a big to-do for my 40th, sure. Kyle Pitts is another bounce back.
Starting point is 00:49:21 I'm hoping to be invited this time. But even still, if you were expected to live until 90, once you're past 30, you're in middle aged. Uh, yeah. Well, sure. Actually, by my definition, once you're past, I think 20. Um, Kyle Pitts is a bounce back. Yeah. He's, he was bad. It was bad last year this is this is heaths
Starting point is 00:49:47 right yeah yeah okay go on uh yeah i think he's just not going to be as awful as he was last year um he can bounce back maybe i think he was also a breakout candidate for me um so i'm just cheating all the way around but i would expect that the yardage is going to be much closer to what it was his rookie year. The catches will be closer to what it was his rookie year. And the touchdowns will be a career high, which means he'll have at least three. Yeah. Fantasy football stresses me out a lot. Do I want a lot of Kyle Pitts or do I want none of Kyle Pitts? I could be in either camp. I could see compelling arguments for both sides. I mean, the compelling
Starting point is 00:50:28 argument for him is that he's Kyle Pitts. We know he's great. He had over 1,000 yards, over 1,100 yards as a rookie. That's a record. And the downside is he's on Atlanta. They're going to run a lot. They might have a bad quarterback. And Drake London. We like Drake London too.
Starting point is 00:50:44 How are they going to have two good pass catchers? So if you had to choose one side of that, I want a lot of Kyle Pitts or I want none of Kyle Pitts, what side are you closer to? It's entirely dependent on cost. I've had, I want none of Kyle Pitts for two years in a row because it's cost me a third round pick to get him. If it costs a fifth or a sixth round pick now,
Starting point is 00:51:03 especially sixth, then yeah, I want a fair share, maybe even a little extra. And I do think there's a way that a pass offense can be low volume and still produce two good pass catchers. And the way that is, is if they throw 25 to 30% of their passes to each of those two guys and 50 to 60% of their passes to two guys, we've seen the chiefs do that with Kelsey and Tyree kill in the past. Oh, the Ravens are the best example, right?
Starting point is 00:51:28 The Ravens. We saw the Vikings do it with feeling and digs when they were more run heavy. Like it's possible. It's just that nobody else gets any targets. And as the team's currently constructed, nobody else deserves to get any targets. That's a good point. Jamie,
Starting point is 00:51:44 Darren Waller, a bounce back for you. On a per-game basis, he actually was, I think this might surprise people, he was the number seven tight end on a per-game basis, but overall he was number 31, and he only played nine games, and really only eight games, one game he barely played. Okay, what do you expect from Darren Waller this year
Starting point is 00:52:01 with the Giants, other than at least an NFC championship run? I mean, he's going to the best quarterback he's ever played with. No, I think, again, a lot of it is health related, you know, just basically staying on the field. But I think he's, you know, going from a situation a year ago where he was not going to be the leader in targets to a team where he might be the leader in targets right now. I'd be surprised probably he's not the leader in targets to a team where he might be the leader in targets right now. I'd be surprised probably if he's not the leader in targets. So I'm excited about the situation for him. I think this is going to be, as Heath said, the Giants were one of these teams
Starting point is 00:52:34 that we looked at and said they're trying to get a wide receiver. And I'm not sure they're done. I think they can still draft somebody. But Wanda Robinson's coming off an ACL tear. They bring back Darius Slayton, Isaiah Hodgins. It's just not a very exciting, explosive group, aside from what he might still be able to do. So I think he's an easy guy to look at
Starting point is 00:52:53 and say he's got top five potential once again. We have a comment in the YouTube chat from 100% Pure Mustard, and he says, Waller is trash. Yeah, well, mustard is trash. Mustard is trash. I agree. Mustard sucks. Mustard is trash. I agree. I like mustard a lot. Mustard's great. Mustard sucks, but.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Mustard sucks? Mustard sucks. What do you put on hot dogs? Ketchup. Oy. I know, I know. I'm glad that you had me send that link that you had me send yesterday, just so I had it handy for today. I had it, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:23 We had a great, my family, my cousin's group, group text. We had a terrific night of group texting. It started with one of my cousins, they had an argument in their house. Who's a bigger actor, Paul Reiser or Kevin Kline? I don't know why they were arguing this, but they were. So we got involved.
Starting point is 00:53:43 I put it on Twitter. Kevin Kline was the clear winner. And then it got into hot dogs and hamburgers being sandwiches. And what bothers me is as I checked this morning, I did put Twitter polls on both of those. 53% of the respondents said that a hamburger is a sandwich. But 19% of the respondents said that a hot dog was a sandwich. These were two different polls, but you got to figure some said that a hot dog was a sandwich. These were two different polls, but you got to figure some overlap in the voters. That doesn't make any sense. First of all, neither of them are sandwiches. And if you want to say that a burger is, then you have to say that a hot dog is too. And there cannot be the technicality that a hot dog is like closed off.
Starting point is 00:54:20 It's not two pieces because that's stupid. i think that's hypocrisy at its at its highest level that's all that's all i have to say but yes they all wanted to see the bad azer takes thread heath so thank you for entertaining my cousins with that well i just updated with your latest take and so that's i hadn't had i realized it's been almost four months since the last update mustard sucks is that it mustard sucks so what do you have on your hot dog ketchup That's, I hadn't had, I realized it's been almost four months since the last update. Mustard sucks. Is that it? Mustard sucks.
Starting point is 00:54:49 So what do you have on your hot dog? Ketchup. What do you not like about ketchup? I like ketchup fine. It's delicious. What do you not like about mustard? Spicy. I don't like spicy stuff. Spicy mustard is the best mustard.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Wait, all mustard's too spicy for you? Not, no. It's just I don't want it because all mustard is spicy. So I don't need anything spicy. What? All mustard is spicy. Is that not true? Is there, other than honey mustard, is there non-spicy mustard?
Starting point is 00:55:20 Plain mustard is not spicy. Yes, it is spicy. It is. You're such a baby. It's not that it's too spicy and I can't tolerate it. When you get just 100% pure mustard or just yellow mustard, that's spicy to you? Yes, but it's not to the point where I'm like, I need some milk. This is too spicy.
Starting point is 00:55:39 But yes, it is spicy and I don't want anything even a little bit spicy on my food. I don't like anything. You sound like my five-year-old that anything that has like a taste to it, he goes, this is spicy and I don't want anything even a little bit spicy on my food. I don't like anything. You sound like my five-year-old that anything that has like a taste to it, he goes, this is spicy. Yes. He and I would get along very well. I bet he loves ketchup.
Starting point is 00:55:54 He does. He does like ketchup. Yes. Yeah. He also likes mustard because he's human. Honey, but does honey, honey mustard count?
Starting point is 00:56:02 Do you like honey mustard? I love honey mustard. It's great. That's the way mustard should be. Oh, boy. All right. We're out of here. We'll talk to you later this week with some NFL draft prep.
Starting point is 00:56:12 That should be really interesting. We've got to start getting into that. And, of course, check out the Dynasty Show tomorrow or Tuesday at 11 a.m. Eastern, YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football Today. That's the only place you can find it. If you miss it live, that's okay. YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. Thanks for voting by the way. That's done. Appreciate that for Jamie and Heath and Thomas. I'm Adam. We'll talk to you later on.

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