Fantasy Football Today - Bust-Proof! Who are the Safest Players to Draft? (06/17 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

There have actually been a lot of busts in Round 1 over the last two seasons, but we're going to make bust-proof cases for a number of players today! Some of them are first round picks, some of them go a little later. First, what would constitute a bust season for Ja'Marr Chase (7:10) if he is the number one pick in Fantasy leagues? We've also got some quick news and notes (15:00) ... Bust-proof quarterbacks (16:05)! Is Jayden Daniels on this list? is Lamar Jackson bust-proof when you consider how he performed from 2020-2023? Then we talk about bust-proof running backs (25:10) including Jonathan Taylor. Is Derrick Henry bust-proof given his lack of receptions? ... A fun conversation about bust-proof wide receivers (36:15) as you could really make a bust case for just about all of the top WRs. We disagree on Malik Nabers being on this list. Should Drake London and Tee Higgins be on the list? And we finish with bust-proof tight ends (48:00). Are Trey McBride and Brock Bowers obvious? George KIttle? Anyone else? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Hello everybody. Welcome to the show on Tuesday, June 17th.

This is fantasy football today and we are talking about bust proof players, a concept that I don't even really believe in because guys, I've been looking at the last couple of years of ADP and I would say half of the first round over the last two years, if not more than 50% has been a bust, be it injury or otherwise, there have been a lot of busts. Last year, Christian McCaffrey was an injury bust.

I would say, would you say CD Lamb was a bust last year? He was a bust, right? Yeah, I think so. Let's see. So, yeah. Well, Lam finished his wide receiver, yeah, he was a bust. He was wide receiver nine per game and he was the second pick in the draft.

Like that's a hundred percent a bust. For Heath to believe it's a bust, it's gotta be like the worst season ever. I just, I think there's a difference between being a bad pick at ADP and being a bust. I'm probably not going to call anybody who's top top 10 at their position a bust. Oh my God.

The two biggest busts last year were Tyree Kill and Breeze Hall. Tyree Kill and Breeze Hall, they were next on the list. They were three and four in ADP or they were up there. They were top five. AJ Brown, was he a bust? I would say he was. He was wide receiver 13 per game. He was a first round pick. Now, maybe you are more in Heath's camp and I don't know

if that's a bust. You know, maybe it's a mild bust. Jonathan Taylor injuries. Garrett Wilson was definitely a bust. Yeah, I think, I mean, it's, we can busts come in different shapes and sizes. And so we can all have our, our preferences for how we define that. Okay. And 2023, Justin Jefferson was the first pick in the draft. He averaged 20 points per game when he was healthy, which is good. Not great, but good. Um, but he actually probably left one of those games early.

I didn't do an A's or stat there, but he missed a bunch of games. Jamar chase had a bad season. He was, he was a bust. Austin Eckler was a huge bus. Sequon Barkley see that Heath and I disagreed on that one. Sequon Barkley was a RB three in ADP. He was RB nine per game. I considered that a bust. Heath did not, which is fine.

But we agreed Bijon Robinson was a bust. Stefan Diggs had a bad year in 2023. Nick Chubb towards ACL and Devontae Adams was mild bust, I guess. But bottom line is that the first round hasn't been as safe as we want it to be. Are we defining these by performance or injury or both? Most of them, all the guys I said,

I think only three of them were, maybe four were injury. McCaffrey last year, Jonathan Taylor last year, and Jefferson and Chubb the year before. I think that there's another distinction though, because like, does an injury bust have to just be a guy that misses half the season and then he was an injury bust? Or your favorite player and human being Tyree kill. If like he was, you said numerous times had a, had a broken wrist all year. It was hurt all year. Was he an injury bust?

He was the worst type of bust because he, he was, he played hurt, stayed on the field, you felt obligated to start him each week because you know what his upside is, but he almost never gave you that upside. I Can't say that's the worst for me is when a player Stinks and yet I still am compelled to start him because of what I because of his ADP Where I drafted him. Well, this might be the week that Tyree kill breaks out and so on and so forth It's it sucks when a guy gets hurt, like McCaffrey got hurt, you took him with your first pick, that totally sucked.

At least you knew not to start him because he wasn't playing. Who did I bench Tyreek Hill for in the fantasy championship? Does anyone remember? He was- Peyton Barber. He finally had a good game in week 17 and I benched him for some waiver wire guy

and it did not call. I mean, I lost that. I would have lost anyway, but he had nine catches for 105 yards on nine targets at Cleveland. That was after a combined 65 yards, the two previous weeks. It took you four months to build up the courage to sit Tyreek Hill.

That's what I'm saying, you know, but he had been so that's part of the problem. No, two was out at that point. Two was out at that point. So that was, you know, maybe that actually means that CD Lamb wasn't a bust last year because even though like he didn't, he didn't meet expectations, he still averaged over 17 PPR points per game and he was fairly consistent. No, he was a bust. Are you kidding? He was number number one receiver off the board and what did I say he finished his wide receiver?

17.6 PPR points per game. He was Sixth among all wide receivers in consistency top three and targets per game I know he didn't give you what you wanted But he didn't kill you like Tyree kill killed you or like Bruce Hall killed you. No lamb was better than those guys, but he was a bus. Come on, Dave. Don't take Heath side here. It's right. I'm gonna go back on that one.

Oh, that hurts. That hurts. See you lamb not a bust. Are you kidding me, Jamie? Some reason here. There it is. The CD-LAM a bust last year? Yes. You're both wrong.

All right. So we'll talk about players that we think are bus proof, but Dave and I had a little chat off the air via instant message. Would you be happy with 20 fantasy points per game from Jamar Chase? Last year he averaged 23.7. He's my, I guess the bet right now to be 1.1 in the consensus ADP. Would you be happy with 20 fantasy points per game from Jamar Chase? Of course.

In full PPR. You would? Yes. You'd be happy. Any non-quarterback you draft at any point in the draft that averages 20 points per game, you don't get to complain about that. I just have a higher standards than you guys.

First overall pick. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Aren't you the same guy that said you didn't want a runaway first round pick like Christian McCaffrey last year? I don't want a guy who's averaging 28 points per game. I said that two years ago. And by the way, we've had two years in a row

of nobody being that good. And we've had the two- I think it was last year coming off the 2023 season. No, I think it was two years ago. And we've had two years in a row of that, of more parity. And it's been, many people are saying the two best fantasy football seasons ever. So I think I was right about that.

All right, Jamar Chason in his career has averaged 18, 20.5, 16.4 and 23.7 PPR fantasy points per game in four seasons. Why don't we just start with him? Do we consider him bus proof? And by the way, uh, if he averages 20, if a wide receiver average, 20 PPR fantasy points per game over the last five seasons, that would have made him wide receiver four, four, five, five, and three per game. But do we think Jamar Chase is bus proof because I guess if I were going to argue against it, his 2020 four season looks kind of reminds me of CD lambs 2023 season because chase did something he's never done before.

He had his best season by far. It was very much backloaded. He wasn't even really that good the first eight games of the season. The last nine games of the season, Joe Burrow was insane on pace for something like 5,400 yards. Chase was, let's see, the last eight games last eight games of the season chase was on pace for 2106 yards 21 touchdowns on 223 targets just video game numbers But again, this was the best stretch of his career the best season of his career Came with Joe burrow being better than he's he oh burrows on pace on pace for 5,682 yards and 49 touchdowns in those eight games. So do you see the parallels there? Chase this year, Lam last year, and do you think he's bus proof?

No. I think if any wide receiver, this quarterback, misses half the season, they get bussed. So, I think it's better to talk about bust potential without injury because I don't think we're very good at predicting injury, especially when you're talking about wide receivers and now you have to predict whether their quarterback is going to get hurt or they're going to get hurt. So I got, I think CD was right around 19 fantasy points per game with that last year. Right. I think 19 is possible for chase. Sure. But I'm not

going to sit around and worry about is this guy going to score 19 fantasy points a game. Okay. 19. So so that was lamb. He averaged 23.8 the year before, which is almost which is a little bit better than what chase averaged in 2020. Any wide receiver that averages 23 fantasy points a game, you should not expect them to do it again the next year. You should not expect any player to average 23 fantasy points per game unless they're a quarterback. To that end, there were four human beings last year that averaged over 20 PPR points per game that were not quarterbacks. So getting one of those guys with your first pick, I would say is a pretty good idea. Okay. Not for Adam.

No, I mean, honestly. That's not enough for new Adam. If you raised it to 21. New Adam is gonna take a quarterback in round one. Let me ask you this. Because quarterbacks can score 30 points per game. Let me ask you this, let me ask you this. Different, frame it differently.

If you take Jamar Chase as wide receiver one, as the first overall pick, you would be happy if he finished any as wide receiver. What's the lowest finish he could have that you'd be happy with the pick at his position? Yeah, I think you're asking the question the wrong way. If he was wide receiver five, I'd be happy with it. Assuming that the four guys ahead of him were all within the same range as him. Right. I'm thinking if he's wide receiver five at 17 points per game and the four guys

ahead of him are all over 20 points per game, then I'd be disappointed. CD land last year, 17.6 PPR points per game. If Jamar does that this year, it's, it's kind of a bummer, but I wouldn't say that he's a bus. Yes, you would. Yes, you were just, we're, we're, we're having the same exact Darvin six minutes ago. There's a difference. There, there is, there's gotta be some, uh, in between Adam, between I am happy with this pick and this guy was a bust. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is signi is bad, significantly like bad.

There's a, there's a middle ground. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy with him and he's a bust. I just think what happened there is wide receiver six, but the five receivers ahead of them averaged both can be true. I don't know. 17.6.

Both. I don't think it's a bust at that point. He's got to do what Garrett Wilson did last year.6. I don't know. 17.6. I don't think it's a bust at that point. He's got to do what Garrett Wilson did last year. Okay. Garrett Wilson was taken in round one. We all loved him because we thought he'd be the guy that we, we, we thought he'd be the guy that DK Metcalf is who we think will be that guy this year where he just soaks up targets from Aaron Rodgers nonstop. And he didn't do it. He, his numbers sank. He wasn't even on the same page as Rodgers at points during the early part of the year. And he didn't even average 15 PPR points per game. That's a bust. See, but that's an interesting case though, because

the pace that he was on before Devonte Adams, especially the couple of games before Devonte Adams, like he probably would have lived up to his draft billing if Adams never went there. Or he wouldn't have been close. Yeah. I mean, he was leading the NFL on targets. Right. Like there's, that's like, this is the factor that we can't control, you know, trades or anything to like his point, you know, the quarterback injuries.

I think like a better one, Dave, is probably Marvin Harrison, you know, who just stunk that is a better one and was a first trumpet. Garrett was at 16.2 in the six games and they were like all into those week five and six games. He didn't even have 15 PPR points in a game until week five. Yeah, he, he was probably like a mild bust at that point, but it was worse after that. Sure. Okay.

So what I think happened in the last few minutes was Dave started talking about if Jamar chase average 17 point whatever points per game, and you realized you realized that he would be a bust, but you wouldn't go back. You didn't want to contradict yourself. It's not what I want. Okay. All right. We're going to take a break here and we got some news and notes for you. And then we'll talk about some players that we think might be bust proof right after this on FFT. The first season of Georgie and Mandy is a bonafide hit. Be cool. Okay. We don't say it out loud. Okay. Can we just say it's great. Thank you for saying that. With lots and lots of laughs. So everybody knows. I only told Mandy. I only told mom and dad.

That's everybody. So quick summary. Life at Georgie and Mandy's first marriage with all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning new CBS fall. Yes, yes, also yes. News and notes. Jordan Addison's trial for his 2024 DUI arrest is set for June 15th. So yeah, it was not two days ago, July 15th. Thank you. So we actually could have a suspension.

We'll see what happens there with Jordan Addison. John U Smith's situation with the Dolphins is still fluid according to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, and minor news maybe, but deeper leagues. Josh Reynolds is the favorite to be the number two wide receiver for the Jets. All right. So-

Garrett Wilson should be our first front pick. Second on the team in targets for the Jets is gonna be who? jets. All right. So Garrett Wilson should be a first front pick. Second on the team and targets for the jets is going to be who Mason Taylor, Josh Reynolds, Reynolds, Breeze Hall, no votes for Breeze Hall. No, I would take Los art over Reynolds. All right. I think Los art is gonna be with Aaron Rodgers probably.

Yeah, that might be true. So bus proof players. Probably begging for Randall Cobb to come out of retirement right now. Where is Jordy Nelson these days? Dave said Burrow and Allen at quarterback. Heath said Burrow, Allen, Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts. Neither of you said Jaden Daniels.

Do we not think he's bus proof? You'll see a little more. Okay. I said Mahomes too, but that's only because of cost. All right, but that's a good one, right? Cause Mahomes is QB what, six for you guys? QB six, I think he's getting drafted in round six. I would argue that, and oh man,

you better not disagree with this one, or I will fly to Florida and we'll have at it. That would be, are you incentivizing me? It is Nat season down here, so. I hope this flight will be expensed. I thought you were an Anthony's fan, you're not here already. Would love to be there.

See how much tickets,'m going to look at how much tickets are just thousand bucks. Are they? Yeah. Anyway, if Patrick Holmes gets drafted in the sixth round as QB six and he does what he did the last two years where he's basically QB 12 per game bust. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that if you made a list at the end of each season of all the players who were busts by your definition, it would be a very, very long list. You think that- Oklahoma Homes was definitely a bust last year. Yeah, come on. Right, but he was drafted, he was drafted to the top three quarterback. Yeah.

Okay, but- That's a completely different thing than if he's drafted in round six. But if you draft him in round six and he ends up as QB11 on the year, I see Adam's point. Yeah, come on. Yeah. That's not what we want. We want somebody. It's not what I want. I wouldn't be happy. He's... Again though, you got to put it in context. Is he QB11 because he had a good season and everybody else was better or is he QB11 because... That's fair. Right, right. Yeah. I should have said that. Like if he finishes with 22 points per game, that's pretty good.

But he hasn't done that either the last two years he's been what my homes has been right around 20 points per year, 21, right 21 points per game. So if you're drafting that in the sixth round, I'd be pretty disappointed with that. I and personally, that's, I didn't think he was bus proof even had his costs because if he just does what he's done each of the last two years, I think that's a bad six round pick personally. It's not one you're happy with. No.

Okay. Does anybody disagree about Alan Jackson, Hertz and burrow being bus proof? They're all bus potential. I'll make the case for Jackson not being bus proof. We're taking him as the QB2. Some people want him as QB1. The years before last year, this is 2023 and back, 23.7 points per game, 22.5, 21.6, 21.6 in 2021, 24.7 in 2020.

I think if you're drafting him as the second quarterback off the board on average, you're expecting him to be on the bright side of 25, if not closer to 30, which is where he was last year. You're looking for a repeat of last year if you're drafting Lamar Jackson at, at, as the top quarterback off the board, or even the second quarterback off the board. But he's been pretty low, not as low as Mahomes, but like more like top six-ish by comparison. And that would disappoint me a little. That would make me a little sad. I'd cry three tears. Yeah. So the only, only issue I have with everything you just said was that he is a guy that you, I think you do have to Azer stat because the Mar Jackson has, you know, left games early and it's really affected.

I mean, you could be talking about a point, point and a half per game. So, right, but I'm still starting him in those games. Okay. I get it. But when he's healthy, this is what he's done. Um, over the previous five seasons, 32, six point per pass in touchdown leagues, 32.5 points per game. That was his first MVP, 25.5, 24.2, 24.3, 23.6, and last year I think was 30 points, right? 30.1. So even removing the injured games, four years in a row Lamar Jackson was between

23.6 and 25.5 fantasy points per game and six points for passing touchdown leagues. He was usually finishing closer to QB5. One year is QB 10 per game, one year QB eight, then five, then four, and then last year one. Let's say he averages 24.5 points per game and he finishes his QB four per game. You guys cool with that as taking him as one or as QB one or two? If that's the floor, sure.

How much better were the other three guys? I mean, I can't really do this for every every player. I mean, I would say we're talking about a guy that's going number one or two at his position. Right? That's the thing. Like in a normal year that if he's if he's QB four and he's going one or two, I don't want to quibble. But but that's what he had been for four straight years. He had been more like 24 points per game. And then he's got these bookend years. He had been more like 24 points per game.

And then he's got these bookend years where he's scoring 30 or more points per game. It's a better floor than anybody other than Josh Allen. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's the best. The second best floor at the position. And I think what we've seen, I think Jamie, when he sent the text, we had a little text chat about busts this morning.

And Jamie said, anyone after round 10, because everybody drafted early could bust. And you that's kind of how you view it, Adam, like any anybody could be three points worse than they were last year. And they're a bust. Well, I just think it's important for people who draft Lamar Jackson as QB one to know that even if you remove his injured games, he was averaging about 24 points per game in the in Well, I just think it's important for people who draft Lamar Jackson as QB1 to know that even if you remove his injured games, he was averaging about 24 points per game in the four years combined. And he hadn't finished higher than QB4 in that stretch.

But we have seen the heights of Lamar Jackson. They're pretty much unmatched. I think at this position, because to get one of the top, I'll say five guys, but really the top three, I think are gonna go a little bit sooner. If you don't get your return on investment to that level, and I think fourth is fine, but like if you don't get your return on investment to that level, like you really could be in trouble.

Can you say, I'm sorry, say that one more time? If you're investing in a position that's so deep and has so much talent to it, that if you do bust at this position with the early pick at quarterback and let's say it's fields or DAC or but you know I'm just cherry picking on the other side of the you know graphic here. Trevor Lawrence has a big you know whoever it may be right uh Drake Mitch um like you you you really busted that position a little bit more I think you know like the it's

you don't want to qualify at the level of bust but like Jackson going from QB one to QB four with a significant point per game drop off, like could really sink your fantasy team by comparison to let's say these other positions, at least I don't know if I'm explaining that the right way, but I get it. It's like this, you'd rather be the guy that takes bow nicks with your last pick or off the waiver wire then spends the sixth round pick on CJ Stroud last year or the third or fourth round pick on Patrick Mahal. It's not so much the sixth round pick on CJ Stroud. It's that these guys, their ADP is going to be most likely in round two.

Right. It already is in our fans only. You know, so like that to me is, you know, it like magnifies the bus potential because it's like you really need to hit on these guys being there, they're at their ADP. So that's, that's kind of what I was getting at, right? If you take Jackson or Allen in round two, do you feel like you need at least 26 points per game and six point per passing touchdown leagues to feel good about that pick? Or are you cool with 24? I think again, it's probably relative to the position, you know, so where they're finishing

in that range. So if they're at 24 and that's the best, it's a down year for quarterbacks and I think you're fine with it. If there's, you know, four or five guys that have, you know, eclipsed them, two or three guys that have eclipsed them to whatever degree, you know, then it probably you feel like you wasted the pick. But it depends on how you approach it. Like obviously he's not going to be upset about it, you know, whereas you're gonna be a little bit more disappointed. Yeah All right Running back like I who's An easy must start who's at the top of the league as far as points per game. I'm not complaining

Complaining yet. No, I mean there's there's some players that you're not going to complain, but you're going to be, you know, thought he'd be a little bit better than that. Like CD-Land, like you're not going to complain about it, but you were hoping for more. There you go. No complaining allowed. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I'm going to complain. That's not, yeah, that's not, I don't know.

Well, is that old Adam or that? Old Adam, yeah, new Adam, new Adam, still going to complain. All right. Running backs that we think- Are we allowed to make pickups this week or what? Did you change that again? Tonight, you can make your pickups for the Big Burger League, no problem. There were so many players dropped over the last few days

and they're all horrible and I don't want any of them, including the seven that I had to drop. Running backs that are bus proof. So Dave, you said Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, Heath added, you know, Bijon, Barkley, Gibbs, Kyron, and also Taylor and Jacobs. I guess my question is, do you think any running back like Derrick Henry and maybe Jonathan Taylor,

depending on how many games Anthony Richardson plays, that is gonna be so low in receiving volume and receptions is bus proof. Apparently, Dave, you do. No, I like the running backs that I think have a big grip on the workload. And their their offense isn't necessarily changing compared to last year. And they're gonna get a ton of short yardage touchdowns. It might be different for me with John and Taylor, if Anthony Richardson is healthy and he's back at training camp and he's, he's dazzling. Cause obviously that's a guy that's going to take away a lot of touchdowns at the goal line from Taylor is, I don't think Jones will take away nearly as

many might take like two and so Taylor last year Taylor last year, he has a follow up question. Good. Didn't Taylor score like the highest rate of his career playing with Richardson last year? He might have. So maybe that point doesn't even matter. He had 50% of the goal line carries when Richardson was on the field, which is a pretty low number. Yeah, that's low.

So that'll go up if if it's Daniel Jones starting and then he keeps the job all year long. But he scored more than a touchdown per game in those games, right? It's quite possible. I mean, he was he was very good, especially at the end. But I don't know, it depends. Like, do you just look at the raw production? Or do you look at the underlying trends, which is very few catch one catch per game and half the goal line work is not great. But, you know, he was really good with Richardson. They ran the offense through him. It had a ton of carries.

So yeah, there's two sides of that coin. He Dave, I don't think Taylor will suck. I don't think he'll be down to like 11 or 12 PPR points per game. And maybe we need him to be closer to like 16, like he, like last year he was at 17.5. That's awesome. If he does that again this year, no problem. But I don't think his role is going to shrink.

I don't care about the, the running back they drafted. I don't think their offense is going to change that much. I think he's still going to be the focal point. I think Jacob's is going to be the focal point in Green Bay again. And I think that, uh, we know what to expect with Derek Henry. And that's a dude who is averaging over 20 points per game. Anytime he had at least 14 touches in a game. So as long as Baltimore is in games where they're not trailing bad in the second half, Derek Henry is going to be fine. Unless of course, you know, old guy gets hurt. See, that's the thing. It's like, it's hard

for me to say that these guys aren't bus proof when dentures, correct me if I'm wrong, you put Taylor in the bus category from last year, right? Because of injury? Yeah, because of injury, but not because of performance. This conversation, we're not considering injury. Right. Because everybody we are, we're not. No, no, no, no.

Okay. Yeah. Our RB, he was RB seven per game, Jonathan Taylor last year in, in, in full PPR RB five per game and in non and half PPR and he missed three games. But I, you know, he was, I don't know where he ranked unfortunately. If you're on mute. No, I was just saying he did outscore Josh Jacobs last year per game, right? Who, Taylor? Yes.

Yeah, by three tensile. Did he? Oh, I had them back. I have a 17.5 to 17.2. Okay, let's call it a tie. He outscored James Cook per game. He outscored Kyron Williams per game. Like I don't think Jonathan Taylor was a bust last year.

I know, only because of injury. No, he was not a bust. He just, he has three games. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. He almost scored as many PPR points per game as Achan. No, fine.

Yeah, I can take him off the list. He was, he was 13th overall at running back in full PPR. And if we knew that Derek Henry was going to play 15 games, he'd be an early round one pick. The whole reason why he's not a first round pick is because, uh, he's the old man. I think his ADP will put him in round one. I do too. What's the injury risk?

This guy's been healthy. This guy's been healthy every year, but one of his career, right? When he broke his foot in half. Right, but it's hard to say that a 31 year old running back is not bus-proof. Yeah, this guy is. As good as he's been. Every conversation we had about Derrick Henry a year ago,

it's like- Completely incorrect, you're right. No, but not just completely incorrect, but the same theories still apply, right? Cause he had 19 catches in 17 games. Yeah, look, he continues to defy the odds and hopefully he does until the day he decides to retire. I mean, he's been one of the biggest freaks of nature in a positive way in this game,

at this position. And he continues to reward fantasy managers by idiots like me saying he's going to have a big bust. Well look, he he went from three seasons of 4.34.4 4.2 yards per carry to a career high 5.9 yards per carry. Well, I mean, we also said that and it was a very small sample size because the Titans didn't win very many games. But when they won games in 2023, he was still that same guy. And then, you know, going to a team that averages 10 wins a season under hardball. I mean,

that was just a an easy win for him. Given the circumstances, like he's always been better when the team is successful. You sure because right, because any running back who doesn't catch passes couldn't get game scripted. But so that that wasn't really a big issue for him. However, I just think it's just worth noting pointing out the efficiency being, obviously you could say, oh, he's gonna run better with the Ravens.

5.9 yards per carry is insane. Yeah, that's beyond anything we would have guessed. Yeah. And now he's got his new goal in front of him, so it's easy. Oh right, getting the Sandler movie. That's right. I don't know why I haven't drafted him yet. That's like I'm still worried about the possibility of him being a bust. Because

first of all we pretty much only do full PPR drafts be different in a different format. But with Derek Henry I don't know. I mean I feel like I need to pull the trigger one of these days because he's freaking Derek Henry you know. Good analysis. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not being sarcastic. We know who he is. We know what he's capable of. We know what his upside is. Sadly, he was not one of the guys that averaged 20 PPR points per game last year.

He did when he, you know, had 14 or more touches. On the year, just 19.8. There you go. I think James Cook is bus proof in the third round. It's another one I think Heath is definitely gonna agree with me on, disagree with me on, excuse me. But just to sum it up, James Cook was RB 19 per game two years ago when he scored four touchdowns.

So I can't really see him being any worse than that. And realistically, I don't think James Cook see him being any worse than that. And realistically, I don't think James Cook is going to be anything worse than RB 15. And I think that's going to be right around his ADP. So that's why I've been, that's been a guy that I've been happy to take in round three. I think the only thing I would be concerned about is that he was RB 19 two years ago and last year he had actually fewer rush attempts and catches per game than he did in his RB 19 season. So like if he has last year's usage and the touchdowns are half, then he's a bust.

Yeah, it's going to be an ugly bust. Yeah, I just, is there another running back in that range that you feel better about, safer? So that would be, Breeze Hall. I'm seeing Kyron Williams and Fantasy Pros ADP. We would definitely rather have Kyron Williams. Let me just see who's going around James Cook. Sorry, Breeze Hall, James Cook, Omari and Hampton,

Ken Walker. Yeah, rather have Cook. Walker's the only one that's close. Who do you think's more bus-proof, Walker or Cook? No hold out. I'll say cook provided that he doesn't have any type of hold out practices throughout training camp, like don't let the contract stop them. If the contract issue becomes a problem, then he's very much.

This is like a tough call because you're comparing them to a guy that's always had injury problems. And Walker, sure. Like if you, if you say right now they're both playing the same amount of games, I'd rather Walker. I think if we're not considering injury at all, then, then I think mix and Connor and Camara have a better floor than cook. You feel that way still about mixing after the chubs? I don't.

I'm and this again, I could just be wrong about this, but I don't think Nick chubs going to matter. I'm with you on that. Okay. I hate to say it, but I agree with you. I'm agreeing a lot with Heath today. Last one. Do you think Christian McCaffrey is bus proof other than injury? If he stays on the field, he's bus proof. Yeah. Is anyone here worried that they take more work off his plate? Especially in the early song. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, but I still think at him at a lesser workload

is still top three at the position. Okay. All right, guys. at him at a lesser workload is still top three at the position. Okay. All right, guys, let's take another break. Wide receivers. When we come back on FFT. So are there any first round wide receivers that you guys don't think are bus proof? By your definition? Probably not. I'll rephrase it. Are there any first round wide receivers that you could see finishing outside the top 10 at the position realistically? So first round to their quarterback, that's got,

I, this probably gotta be a little bit lower because there's going to be what like seven guys taken in the first round. Is that chase Jefferson lamb neighbors, Pooka, Nico Amunra? Is it, taken in the first round? Is that chase Jefferson lamb, neighbors, Pooka, Nico Amunra? Is that the first round? I don't know if Nico will get in the first round, but I would say the other six, yes. Well, I can tell, I'll just tell you right now

what fantasy pros has chase Jefferson, lamb, Pooka, neighbors, St. Brown and Nico's 12th. Okay. Yeah, we have Nico at 11.8. Puka, neighbors, St. Brown and Nico's 12th. Okay. Yeah. We have Nico at 11.8. So I think if we're taking injury, all injuries out of the equation, then the one that I could see is there's still a decent chance that not a big chance, but Devonte Adams could be the number one touchdown

score for the Rams next year. Pukin could, Pukin could be the one B in terms of targets for Matthew Stafford and then Puka maybe falls to, I don't know, wide receiver 11 or 12. The problem is that Pukin Akua averaged 18.8 PPR points per game last year. Do you know how many touchdowns he scored? What's five, six? Oh, well, he was on pace for six, I think, right? Right, he didn't play the full year,

but he, I think the number might be lower. Three touchdowns in 11 games, he was on pace for five touchdowns. And he averaged almost 19 PPR points. So I can't call, I know Heath, I think you're just playing devil's advocate more than anything else, but I can't go to Puka and say, well, he could still bust because Devante Adams hogged so many touchdowns. I'm counting on that and I'm cool with it.

It makes me not want Puka as much in non-PPR, but I still think he's going to be a very good fantasy receiver. I mean, you could obviously make an argument for a lot of these guys. Chase is probably the most difficult one, barring a burrow injury. But I mean, Jefferson's getting a first-time starter quarterback, which could be disastrous. Sorry, Thomas. I mean, CD Lamb's coming off a season where he just lost. Dak Prescott is 32 coming back from that injury and now has George Pickens there.

Neighbors may not click with Russell Wilson, who's in his late 30s and may have to go to Jackson Dart, which could be a disaster. Pooka, Heath just gave you that scenario. I mean, we talked about Amaro St. Brown yesterday, right? And the potential of the touchdowns regressing and the catch rate going down and all those things. So we saw AJ Brown, you mentioned it,

he was a bus last year, Nico. Go ahead, make a bus case for Nico because I actually think he's one of the guys that I would put toward the top of the bus proof list. Well, I mean, for starters, his quarterback is coming into camp with a shoulder injury, so that could be- Yeah, he was throwing last week though, which wasn't, but you're right. That's a great point.

Again, all of these are very small nitpicking things because you see consensus wise, I'm no different. I have all these guys ranked this first round pick. So I'm excited about all of them. But I mean, look, what if the combination of Christian Kirk and Higgins are just great and it's taking away some targets and production from Nico. Like, yeah, I thought about that. But honestly, there's small things. They're very small things. Stefan Diggs was having a very good year. Tankdell was there

and Nico was still really good. I just gonna tell you right now, I love Nico Collins. So yeah, I'm gonna be drafting a lot of Nico Collins. This isn't to talk you out of not anybody of talking out of loving Nikko Collins. I don't think he was trying to do that with Puka. And I wasn't trying to make the case with any of these other players. Because again, this is where I have them ranked. But you know, if we're making a bust case, like they're there,

it's hard to say that, you know, Jamar chase is bus proof when you laid out the 2023 season when Joe burrow who's had a pretty lengthy injury history was struggling with injuries and chase suffered. I do want to try to take out even quarterback injuries from this. I get that. So good. But yeah, because because when chase and burrow were healthy in 2023, which wasn't that many games, but yeah, it was it was amazing. And then he carried it into 2024, which gives me more

hope that he can have another huge season of 22 or more fantasy points per game. Jefferson, I've talked about this a lot. The targets went way down last year. They didn't throw quite as much and you had Addison and you had Hawkinson for half the season and now you've got this wild card at quarterback neighbors. I would personally, maybe this like self loatathing giants fan thing here, I would not put neighbors on a bus proof list at all. Cause I think Russell Wilson might be horrible. And

no, here's the thing. And this is kind of the point, like, first off, all the reports of Russell Wilson at Giants camp are like, holy crap, this is what a real quarterback looks like. Even if he's like, we haven't seen anything to suggest he's worse than I would say average, but slightly below average, maybe as an NFL quarterback and Malik neighbors as a rookie just delivered a monster season with Daniel Jones, drew lock Tommy DeVito and somebody else.

I can't, I can't, the guys on their quarterback depth chart, they're probably better passers than anybody he's ever caught a pass from in the NFL. Okay. So let's, let's look at it this way. What if, and this is now I'm going to play devil's advocate. Russ is below average, like you said, and the, the giants actually have a semblance of a run game and a semblance of a defense and the target volume from a league neighbors, which really is what I think helped carry him to some of those huge numbers. He averaged 11.3 targets per game. What if that number goes down to 8.3? That's what Amun Ra had last year. I think that's your bust case for Malik neighbors is the passes are maybe a little bit better than they were last

year, but there's just not as many of them because the giants aren't in the same type of situation that they were in a year ago. I would just say that like that's possible, but the giants are favored on in one game on their entire space. No, I completely agree with that. That's what concerns me though, because it's not Russell Wilson that concerns me, it's Jackson Dart. And I do feel like they could go to Jackson Dart fairly early. They have the toughest schedule in the NFL. So that that maybe you think Dart is just better than all the guys they had last year. And I do agree with that. He probably will. I don't know. He may not be better than what Daniel Jones was. He's a rookie and honestly, not not that great of a quarterback prospect. So that's what scares me with Malik neighbors. And as good as he was last year,

he was wide receiver 14 per game in non PPR and wide receiver eight per game in full PPR, which is great. But with all those targets, 11 whatever targets per game, as Dave said, now he's being drafted in the first round. It was great last year when he was a fourth round pick or whatever he ended up being,

but now he's being drafted in the first round. The standards are higher. I am concerned about Jackson Dart. And I just don't know. Like maybe they do make the switch early, but I can't imagine they make the switch in the first half of the year, unless they've also fired Brian Dable.

Yeah. Okay. They have a very late by week 14. All right. That that would be our wide receiver discussion. Let's go to tight end. Oh, make one other point about the receivers. Actually, yes.

And I had a follow up question. Go ahead. The seven receivers that we talked about, there's a reason why they're they're taken first in drafts because they the case for them as busts are pretty minimal. And I don't know how many other receivers at the position can touch that group of seven in terms of upside and potential and, and all the things you're leaving out too. Then who are the two I'm leaving out? Well, AJ Brown and Brian Thomas. I mean, they have just as much upside as it, but you can make them a better bus case for each of those guys than you can for any of the seven that we've

talked about. But you know what, two guys that I think Dave, well, one guy that you put on your list that I didn't mention, would you say that T Higgins and Drake London are basically bus proof? Like it seems like the worst of T Higgins when he's healthy is something like wide receiver 15. And Drake London should just be an absolute target hog. And there are second round picks instead of having to, you know, hope for 20 points per game. You'd be happy with like 16, 17 out of them. Do you think Higgins in London are, are bus proof? I think Higgins is not bus proof whatsoever. Last year was his best year by far. And, uh, if he doesn't score as many touchdowns, he's taken a big step back.

9.1 targets per game seems like a lot. I don't know if he can replicate that. He was wide receiver five last year though, right? So probably. And we're not driving him as wide receiver five, but there's years on the record where he's like wide receiver 25. If he's healthy, it's hard to see him being a bust.

It's also hard to call on bust proof when he seemingly misses four games every year, but he's the Ken Walker of wide receivers. Yeah. And I don't think I can call. I don't think Drake London is, is to the point where you can have the bust proof conversation. Like he did average 16 fantasy points a game last year, which is what you're saying that you want. But the, uh, the, the eight week 18, I think had a lot to do with that.

He, he averaged 8.8 targets per game without counting week 18. If you include week 18, it's 9.3 and he averaged like 15 PPR point. It was exactly 15. If you take out week 18, that's Drake London. Okay. As we've talked about, what you should expect for Drake London when you draft them somewhere between 15 and 16. It could be better than that though, with a more live arm at quarterback. As we've talked about these running backs and wide

receivers, and we've made these bust cases and these bus proof cases, do you feel the first round running backs or first round wide receivers are safer than, is one safer than the other in your mind? The receivers are safer. Collectively, the receivers are safer. That's so interesting. I was kind of leaning the other way.

I felt like the running backs, I felt like the running backs had better bus proof cases. I mean, I think in the case of the running backs that are slam dunk first round picks, I feel the most confident in Bijan that's why he's first for me. Barkley terrifies me because of the workload and the history of 2000 yard rushers.

A-chan was not terrible, but he was pretty bad when Tua was not there. He's not, for what it's worth, A-chan is not a first round pick in ADP. Okay, so take him out of the conversation It's Gibbs McCaffrey and Gentie right now Gibbs Gibbs was obviously not as good when Montgomery was healthy Gentie is a rookie coming off an extremely immense workload in college in his final season

Who else Henry? Obviously and you know Henry at his age. So, you know, when you look at the receivers, I feel much more confident that they will stay healthy and deliver to what their production should be barring injuries to the quarterbacks. That's fair. Plus you'll like the running backs that are available

in rounds three, four compared to the receivers. Completely different show though. I get that, but just, I just wanna, I'm just talking about who's more likely to be a bust in the first round, the running. I'm looking ahead when I make that first round pick. All right, tight ends. How many tight ends can we argue are bus proof?

I'd say two. Without injury? Without injury, there are no, I'm not sure. I just got this memo. There will be no injuries in 2025. It's going to be a very healthy year. Someone tell Donald Parham. Then it's one. And that is?

Kittle. Oh, I'll say two. And those are? Kittle and for you? Trey McBride. And Heath? McBride and Bowers. Jamie, you disagree with that. You don't think McBride and Bowers are bus proof. And of course, ADP matters here. Those are second round picks. Kittle. Yeah, more like a fourth round pick.

I mean, explain. Well, if McBride's touchdowns stay the same and his other numbers come down, I mean, obviously he's going to be a bust and Bowers now has significant competition for touches in his offense by comparison. So, I mean, Kittle's situation got better. Go ahead. My only, I don't, I don't have concerns about George Kittle being bad. I just, I think it's, it's hard to be bust proof when you never get a hundred targets.

And if his efficiency is just good, then he's probably not going to deliver on ADP. He has to be, and he has been the last two years, 11.3, 11.8 yards per target. And scoring touchdowns at a 8% clip. That, that'll do it no matter how many targets you get. But we've seen plenty of years in the past where it wasn't quite that good. His target pace the last three seasons, 17 game pace for Kittle, 96 targets, 97 targets. But luckily last year did bounce back up to 111 target pace for Kittle when he was the number one tight end per game. And, you know, I think Jamie, I was definitely kind of avoiding Kittle last year because he had had this trend

three straight years where his points per game had gone down. He was what 31 last year and now he's 32 will be 32 in October. You know, I was worried about him. Then he comes out and he averages something like 15.7 PPR fantasy points per game. Most in a long time, number one tight end per game, number three tight end in PPR overall. And this was with him leaving week 18 early, just barely playing in week 18. So any who, you know, what, what has changed? Just the absence of Debo and Ayuk for a portion of it? I mean, that's obviously the biggest part of it. So he may have his most targets since I don't know what season, but certainly the last three numbers that you gave, last three seasons that you gave.

Yeah, 97, 96, 111 targets. The year before that was 114 targets. I don't know that he's getting back to the 130 targets. No, that would be probably a disaster for somebody else getting hurt and Ayuk never coming back or not coming back till toward the end of the season. But I mean, again, like we have some level of excitement to whatever degree for Jennings and Pearsall.

And maybe Ayuk, certainly from a ADP standpoint, people at least last time I checked, think he's the best receiver still for the 49ers. You're talking about guys that either have not done anything consistently in their careers or are coming off a very significant injury. And then here's this guy who's been so tried and true for this coach, for this quarterback. There's so much to love about the situation for Kittle. Okay.

Let's talk about Bowers and McBride being bus proof. Heath, you say both of them are bus proof. You're the only one who said that, um, discuss, uh, they could both lose a target per game and still be, in my opinion, sure fire bets to be top three tight ends. be in my opinion surefire bets to be top three tight ends and I don't have much reason to believe they would lose more than a target per game. In fact I think there's probably more of a case that the touchdown rate improves than that the target rate drops more than a target per game for both. And I would agree wholeheartedly with that even though I think it could go the other way from a Touchdown perspective for or excuse me a production perspective for Bowers and not necessarily improved from McBride

But I can still see that happening both sides Man I don't know that I can that we can make a case for anyone else So I can't see Laporta being bad case for anyone else. So I can't see Laporta being bad. So it's the thing is he's tight end four in our rankings and Laporta is tight end four in ADP, but he's actually going 72nd in fantasy pros. Dave, you have our ADP, where's Sam Laporta going?

Let me look it up. I could 100% see Sam Laporta being bad. 62nd. That's a little earlier than 72nd. But I- Yeah, he's going ahead of Jameson Williams. He's going ahead of being bad. 62nd. That's, that's, uh, that's a little earlier than 72nd, but I was going ahead of Jameson Williams. He's going ahead of my homes. He's going ahead of Deandre Swift, George Pickens. It's new offensive coordinator only had 83 targets last year.

Head coach can't stop talking about the Jameson Williams breakout. Like there's, there's quite a few paths to the port of being bad. Sure. On pace for 88 targets, which is not great. Yeah. Okay. Barring injury, if you told me Flacco is the starter all season, I would say Nigel is bus proof. 100%. Yeah, but I'm not going to tell you that Flacco is the starter. And you know who might also be bus proof, but it may be it's too low to count as Hawkinson. He's, he's going to see eight targets a game. You think that would shock me?

What did he eat? I think he's averaged 8.6 since he got to Minnesota. What did he have last year? He averaged 8.7 PPR points per game last year. Well, six points coming off of an ACL in the middle of the season. But that he's played was this the first time he's played with Addison and Jefferson really, I think they were all kind of in and out of the lineup in 2023.

So then you had 6.2 targets per game in 10 games last year for Hawkinson. He averaged almost eight targets per game in his first five games of 2023. That was when cousins was there. He was healthy. Jefferson was there. And then his targets ballooned after that three games without Jefferson. Targets were still pretty good after that. So that's to your point, Heath, that he did get to that park.

And if there's a suspension for Jordan, as in then, yeah, Hockinson could be a tight end that gets you off to a hot start and then you flip them like a burger when Addison comes back, I don't think he can get any higher than like six and a half targets. Who was it that reported the, uh, the Vikings looking to add more layup throws to their offense because everything was so far downfield last year. I believe his name was Thomas Schaefer. Thomas Schaefer, Thomas Schaefer, um, never been wrong.

What outlet? And I do think that if they do that, like those, that's good for Hawkinson. He's going to be the guy that functions with within five yards of the line of scrimmage. And he's being drafted when? Round eight or nine? Yeah, I'm not complaining about the price tag. I'm just complaining about the upset. I can't do this math.

87th, that's what? Round seven or eight? Early eight. Early eight. Right. Right. There's just a huge gap between the top three tight ends

and then the rest in terms of average draft position. So depending on what site you look at. All right guys, boss proof. All right guys. Ready to bring it home tonight? We want the cup, we want the cup. If you don't think you got enough FFT yet, about 25 minutes, I've got Dan coming on FFT dynasty.

It's a let's play too. You know, it's a great feeling. Don't tell Heath. I said this, Heath sends us a text on Friday. It's me and Jamie. And he says, Hey, I really need someone to come on the show. Are you guys available? And I wasn't available.

I would have liked to have helped, but, uh but totally reminded me about the mock draft that I had completely forgotten about that was, uh, that was going to start later that, uh, later that day. So I was asleep. I fell asleep after taking my kids to camp. And I saw he's text. I was like, Oh crap. I have a draft. Oh, he's a surprise text like that. I, when we have drafts are always welcome. I appreciate it. Okay. I'll just, uh, I can't get out. Oh. He's surprised texts like that. When we have drafts are always welcome. I appreciate it. Okay. I'll just, I'll surprise you with all kinds of things. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for watching and listening.

We'll talk to you tomorrow. Let's guess what's Dan's background going to be? The living room, the FFT background. He's been, he was on, I was on a call with him. Yes. Oh, you were on that call. He did the stadium. He had the stadium background yesterday. So I think he's riding that, that old, uh, Meadowlands stadium, giant stadium for the

world cup. And what was it again? 94 to whatever it was. Yeah. Do you think he goes, he goes stadium? I think stadium. I'm going to go the FFT background. Only one way to find out.

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