Fantasy Football Today - Buy or Sell, ADP Values, Fantasy Games, & More! (06/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 8, 2024

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Starting point is 00:01:25 Trick question, of course. It's the last call for fall, so don't miss out on your fall faves. Next stop, Starbucks. Welcome to Fantasy Football today. We got a fun one for you. Dan and Jamie are going to be competing a lot. Fantasy Feud, name that player. He's going to do a best hair contest,
Starting point is 00:01:55 but it's not even really a contest if you ask me. I'm Adam Azer. We welcome you to Fantasy Football today on CBS Sports Network. So there's Jamie Isenberg, there's Dan Schneier. Dan, is it going to be awkward for you competing against your idol in Jamie? No, it's never awkward. I look at it as a, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:12 a privilege to compete against my idol, Jamie Eisenberg. It is, it is. And he does have that tremendous hair. And Jamie, you also have great rankings. So Christian McCaffrey steals some headlines before we get on the show. A two-year contract extension for Christian McCaffrey worth an average of $18 million a year. I was just in a
Starting point is 00:02:30 draft the other day. He went third. I could not believe it. It might be the lowest we ever see him go. Is Christian McCaffrey easily the number one overall player for you? He is, yes. I mean, there's got to be a little bit of concern of all the wear and tear that he took on in the 2023 campaign, making the Super Bowl run. He was fantastic. Once again, he's been amazing with the 49ers. But you just have to understand that when he's healthy, when he's on the field, on the team that he plays for,
Starting point is 00:02:55 he's going to put up tremendous numbers, better than anybody else at any position aside from the quarterbacks. And so you take McCaffrey number one, you don't think twice. We're going to start today's show with some buy or sell based on some of the major storylines developing in OTAs. And how about we start with the New York Jets? They've earned it. They deserve that. Aaron Rodgers is back.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Played four snaps last year. Tore his Achilles. He's back. But the buyer sell is not about Aaron Rodgers. It's about Garrett Wilson. Buyer sell, Jamie, I'll go to you first. Garrett Wilson should be a first-round pick. Yeah, I was going to interrupt you there
Starting point is 00:03:28 because no matter what you're going to say, it was going to be positive about Garrett Wilson. He's a star. He's been fantastic at times during the first two years of his career, but now that he has the quarterback that we were waiting to see last year, the sky's the limit.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Third-year breakout is coming for Garrett Wilson. He was very good as a rookie with everybody, but Zach Wilson, averaging over 17 PPR points per game at times over 21 PPR points per game. And so last year was very frustrating not having Rogers play. Now that Rogers is back, Garrett Wilson will be an absolute star should be drafted in round one. To buy for me to seventh most target,
Starting point is 00:04:01 a fourth most targets last year, seven most snaps among wide receivers. I love the projection. I just saw from our sports line people. That's 178 targets. I could see it happening with Aaron Rodgers and in that Nathaniel Hackett system. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers in 13 healthy seasons. He's produced the top 24 wide receiver 11 times, a top 15 wide receiver nine times, and a top five wide receiver in eight of 13 seasons
Starting point is 00:04:27 Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers hopefully ready for a big season this is the year this is the Jets year everybody all right topic topic number two so Justin Jefferson just got a four-year 140 million dollar contract extension but we did have some big big time wide receivers missing OTAs, including Jefferson, but CD lamb, Jamar chase T Higgins, Brandon, Iuke, Dan, I'll start with you on this one. Buy or sell. None of the wide receiver holdouts actually matter for fantasy football. I'm going to sell because I'm going to sell that because I think one might matter. And that's Brandon. I, you, the Brandon I situation has started a lot. We've seen these other ones, T Higgins essentially saying, look, I'll play under the tag. But when it comes to IU, it looks like there could be something to that.
Starting point is 00:05:12 And the 49ers did just draft the first round wide receiver this year, which what does that tell Brandon IU for his future with the team? So they've already resigned Devo first round wide receiver drafted this year. It's a little tricky there, and they're limited on salary cap space, especially after the Christian McCaffrey extension. So that's the one that scares me a little bit. I agree with Dan 100%. Ayuk is a little bit terrifying because we spent some time on our podcast on Tuesday, Adam, talking about this, that there's a chance of him maybe digging his heels in and saying, I'm just going to get my accrued service for the 2024 campaign and then go get paid someplace else. As Dan alluded to, Ricky Pearsall, first round pick, they have their replacement option if needed. I also think T Higgins can
Starting point is 00:05:53 also make a stand as well, probably just training camp. He should be there for week one. His situation is a little bit different, but those two guys missing time, especially Higgins with the injuries he suffered last year, Joe Burrow with the injuries he suffered last year. Both those guys are going to be potentially troubling if there are contract issues looming as we get closer to week one. Yeah, Higgins was wide receiver 13 per game in 2022. He had a terrible 2023, but if you can get him back to his 2022 production, he'll probably have a steal. I don't think he may not even be a top 20 wide receiver in ADP. All right, next topic. It's about Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams was the number two running back in fantasy on a per game
Starting point is 00:06:30 basis last season. He was terrific, but he missed OTAs with a foot injury, which they downplayed. They did draft Blake Corum, however, in the third round. So buy or sell Jamie Kyron Williams, again, number two per game last year will not be a top 10 running back this season. Yeah, I'm going to sell that. I think he's going to still be a top 10 guy. I don't know if he'll be a top five guy. He's falling out of my top five this year, just based on the addition of Blake Corham,
Starting point is 00:06:56 because there really wasn't anybody to take him off the field for significant stretches last year when he was healthy. But you do have to be a little bit concerned. This is a guy that had a foot problem in his rookie campaign, missed some time last year with a knee injury, broke his hand at the end of the season last year. And again, a potential compliment. I don't want to say replacement compliment coming in. Now, the nice thing is if you are in the Kyron Williams camp, you see the addition of quorum, you see this injury, it will drive down the price. You may be able to get him toward the back end of round two, where we were taking him in the first drafts
Starting point is 00:07:24 we were doing this off season, still in round one. So I still think he has top 10 upside, still has potentially top five upside, as we saw last year. Fantastic offense that should get better with an improved offensive line, but I don't think you should be drafting him in the top five. Get him closer to running back six or seven. You'll be better off with the way you draft him in that regard. I'll buy Adam because I think they drafted Blake Corum for a reason. I think the volume based production that we saw from Kyron last year was more based on necessity. The Rams didn't have much behind him.
Starting point is 00:07:53 Now they do have behind him and Blake Corum. And I am a little concerned with the injury history as well as just the draft capital they spent on him. I do like that he is excellent in past production. It's been a big reason why he stays on the field, but that's something Blake Corum is not shying away from either. So I think he will eat a little bit into the production
Starting point is 00:08:08 and he'll fall just outside the top 10. Let's talk about a running back who's going to go a little bit later than Kyron Williams and Josh Jacobs. So we saw Packers coach Matt LaFleur talk about platooning his running backs. He said, quote, no matter who the runner is, typically we'd like to platoon
Starting point is 00:08:25 those guys. Dan, buy or sell, Josh Jacobs will be in a platoon that will hurt his fantasy value. I'm selling this one here. I think the Packers have never really made this kind of splash in free agency at the running back position. They re-signed one of their own with Aaron Jones a little while ago, but this was a big move for them. And I think he's going to be a focal point of that offense behind him. You know, AJ Dillon's added back to while ago, but this was a big move for them. And I think he's going to be a focal point of that offense behind him. You know, AJ Dillon's added back to the mix, but we're coming off a really disappointing season. Yes, they did add Marshawn Lloyd in the draft.
Starting point is 00:08:52 He's an explosive talent, but I have my concerns with how quick he's going to get on the field from a fast protection standpoint and from picking up that system, which is a more complicated version, uh, under Matt LaFleur. So I, I am believer in Josh Jacobs this year for the bounce back season, maybe not reaching obviously those 2022 levels, but I think he'll be a featured back in that offense. Yeah, I am going to buy this. I think we've seen this from Matt LaFleur where he's used Aaron Jones and unfortunately probably a little bit too much of A.J.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Dillon. And I think they kind of learned their lesson a little bit last year and how things went for Aaron Jones, where he missed six games and parts of others due to hamstring injuries. And while A.J. Dillon struggled in that regard, I think that's why they kept A.J. Dillon and drafted Marshawn Lloyd with a third round pick. And I think we'll see Lloyd be a factor on some passing down situations. And Dan's right. He's got to learn how to be a significant contributor in pass protection. So hopefully, hopefully he can do that. But A.J. Dillon could do that also. And you're already getting those off season reports about AJ Dillon
Starting point is 00:09:46 happened today. He's slimmed down. He's looking svelte. He's going to have a opportunity to prove himself. And so Jacobs has never been in this situation for a significant stretch of the season where he's had to share work. And so we'll see how that impacts him because he has been very good as a volume back, but has been a volume back. And so I think you should still draft him as a high-end number two running back. But don't overvalue him because of this move. Don't overvalue him because of his name. And expect to see him off the field at times because of Lloyd and because of Dylan. For those of you who listen to the podcast, you know Dan and I have a tennis match coming up.
Starting point is 00:10:18 I would recommend to Dan getting in the A.J. Dylan mode and getting in the best shape of your life. You are going to need it, Dan. And I will go to you on this one here about potentially another platoon with D'Amico Ryans, the head coach of the Texans, saying that Damian Pierce and Joe Mixon, quote, as a one-two punch will be very beneficial to us all. So Dan, buy or sell? I'm going to beat you six-two, but also buy or sell. Joe Mixon and Damian Pierce will be a one-two punch. Clearly selling on the tennis front, but we'll use that for another day. As far as the fantasy front goes, I am buying that they will be a one-two punch. I looked into this recently because I'm doing player outlooks for the site, and Joe Mixon's numbers are not
Starting point is 00:11:00 promising as far as what he's been able to do independent of his situation with Cincinnati. He's been afforded a lot of snaps, a lot of touches and a lot of good situations. And those opportunities have not always led to fantasy points. So I'm buying this because I think Damian Pierce will prove to be as effective on a per snap basis as someone like Joe Mixon, and it'll work his way back in the mix. I am a little bit concerned with how Pierce adjusted to Bobby Slowick's run blocking scheme last year. But now he has a year additional in that scheme, including a full offseason to kind of get the feel down, understand how to set up the blocks and get back to the level we saw in 2022. So this is a buy for me.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Yeah, I think they brought in Mixon to be their guy. And we saw last year that Pierce had every opportunity to beat out Devin Singletary. And Singletary is just one of those guys that we're going to talk about that everywhere he goes will probably end up being the leading rusher. He wasn't Buffalo. He wasn't Houston last year. Probably be the case for the Giants as well. So it may not be Pierce as the second guy.
Starting point is 00:11:54 It could be somebody else working in in place of him. But I think Mixon, the Texans have showed their hand. They're going all in to try and win the Super Bowl. Stephon Diggs on a one-year rental going out and making the big splash to get to Neil Hunter. Obviously, what CJ Stroud showed as a rookie last year. And then adding what I think is a running back upgrade, because I don't think Devin Singletary is that special. Now, you can make the same case about Mixon, but clearly he's been more productive than Singletary. So I do think Mixon has proven to be a workhorse. He will be a workhorse once again. And by the way, Dan, Adam's new nickname is E4. If you listen to
Starting point is 00:12:23 a podcast, you'll understand why. He does not know how to play second base. Yeah, it was not my best day to film. I will say that. All right, listen, when we come back, I'm going to try to stump my coworkers. We're going to play some Name That Player up next on Fantasy Football Today. Whether in the game or in life, the right coverage can make all the difference. We'll be right back. you and your loved ones financially, giving you the peace of mind to focus on what truly matters. Find their products through banks, credit unions, and associations, or visit SecurianCanada.ca.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Securian Canada, insurance designed for life. Welcome back to Fantasy Football today, and we are going to play some Name That Player. How well do these guys know the players that they rank? Let's find out right now. All right, here we go. Our first player. Here are some clues. He attended Sierra College.
Starting point is 00:13:39 No one's getting it yet. Okay. He set a career high in receiving yards in 2023. He was seventh among wide receivers in yards, but 24th among wide receivers in catches. Big yards per catch guy. How about this? 12.8 yards per target were the most by a wide receiver since 2018. And finally, player A had only nine catches in three playoff games.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Oh. He played three playoff games. After Sierra. Brandon Ayuk. Brandon Ayuk it is. Yes. JB for the win. Congratulations, JB.
Starting point is 00:14:25 The Sierra College thing really threw me off is. Yes. Jamie for the win. Congratulations, Jamie. The Sierra College thing really threw me off there. Yeah, you know, as the creator of this game, you're supposed to tell us the position. The position? I mean, how many,
Starting point is 00:14:35 I said among wide receivers like six times. Well, yeah, you got to it eventually, but, you know, you're supposed to give us the position. I made the glaring mistake of forgetting that Adam
Starting point is 00:14:42 always throws in like a little trick at the beginning of these to try to throw you off and I have to really bake that in for the next one. Yeah, Adam really invented that on his own. You did 1,200 yards, eight touchdowns. You like it? Oh, yeah. Who doesn't like Brandon Ayuk? Yeah, we spent some time again on Tuesday talking about Ayuk and his outlook. And, you know, we touched on a little bit with the contract situation.
Starting point is 00:15:07 The Ricky Pearsall addition is going to be, you know, somewhat fascinating to see how they use him. Obviously, Debo Samuel, George Kill are going to be significant factors. Ayuk is never going to dominate receptions when everybody's healthy. He's going to be a yardage and touchdown type of player. And we know what the 49ers do in terms of getting eyes open in their yak and just making a lot of plays after the ball's in their hands. So in PPR, he loses a little bit by comparison to the elite level wide receivers. He's still a very good number two fantasy option. And hopefully the contract situation is settled and he's there week one, ready to go. I like him better than Debo Samuel on full PPR because of the reception total that will favor him.
Starting point is 00:15:42 But this could be a huge year for Ayuk if he's out to prove that he needs a new deal to be paid like these other wide receivers because he could not necessarily reset the market next offseason, but he could be the most coveted wide receiver next offseason if, in fact, all these other guys get paid. Just trade him so we can love him and Debo Samuel. All right, folks? Am I right?
Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah, that's correct. All right. Jamie wins round one. By the way, Dan did say during the break, quote, I'm terrible at these games. To be fair, the first time I ever played, you put me against Heath, who's like a savant when it comes to fantasy football jeopardy.
Starting point is 00:16:12 All right, let's go to our next guy. He's a top 12, Jamie, wide receiver in our consensus raggings. He plays wide receiver top 12, but he has never finished. You're welcome. Never finished higher than wide receiver 18 per game. He has over the last two seasons combined the fifth most catches among wide receivers. Last year, I think Jamie's about to get it.
Starting point is 00:16:41 He ranked 74th out of 80 wide receivers in explosive... Drake Lund. No! That's a minimum of 50 targets. 74th out of 80 wide receivers in explosive play rate. Dan, the next guess is yours. He has caught passes from nine different quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:16:58 in four seasons. Oh, I know. Oh, my God. Why is this such a struggle for me? Top 12 in our consensus. Let's think about this one. I don't know. Four.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Oh, boy. Three. Why am I? Two. One. Just say a name. Michael Pittman. Devante Adams.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Michael Pittman is the correct answer. Oh, Pittman. Pittman. Dan, do I give Jamie the win on that or just like it's a draw? You said unlimited guesses, so yes, I get the win. If I have to be honest, it was one of the saddest performances of my life there to not even come up with a guess. I will do better on the next question. Well, what do you think about it?
Starting point is 00:17:41 6-2 to 6-1. Yeah, that's right. Dan, what do you think about it six two to six one but yeah that's right uh dan what do you think about what do you think about this projection he's been well over that in receptions each of the last two years but another new quarterback to deal with and only five touchdowns which which is not low for him unfortunately this projection scares me a lot i'm not as sold on the targets being there in this offense we don't really have much of a sample size with Anthony Richardson. It's a small sample size Gardner Minshew, a completely different style quarterback. I think they'll get back to a lot of the zone read with Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson working together. It's a really good cheat code for the Colts. It's very hard to
Starting point is 00:18:17 stop. They get an extra man in the bot. They're going to have an extra man to block in those situations. So I think the ball might be spread around a little bit. Josh Downs, 80 Mitchell's a receiver. I love coming out of the draft. So I don't, I don't love this projection. He's not on my targets list.
Starting point is 00:18:32 All right, let's go to our next player here. Player number three, Jamie's up to nothing. This player was the 19th running back selected in his draft class. That means he's a running back. He has averaged five yards per carry in his career. In the last three seasons combined, he has eight rushing touchdowns. But in those three seasons, he's been RB 13, RB 11, and RB 25 per game.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And he will be facing his old team in weeks four and 17. That must mean he's in the same division as his old team. Oh, Aaron Jones. Yay! Schneier on the board! Nice work. Got one, finally.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I like this. I could take 1,300 total yards and eight touchdowns. That would be, I think, great based on where he's going, Jamie, if he hits that number. Yeah, based on where he's going, for sure. And you see here, running back 28 in our projections. I think he's actually 29th for me. And that's his age, which is a big concern.
Starting point is 00:19:40 You know, last year he missed six games and parts of others with hamstring problems and finished the season on a monstrous tear, five straight games, including the playoffs, with at least 111 yards rushing. So he was fantastic for the Packers. But as we saw last year, and really the Kevin O'Connell era, the running back production has not necessarily been there. You could say an aging Dalvin Cook and a struggling Alexander Madison slash Ty Chandler last year. And they were trying a lot of things to get their running game going. Madison actually did not score a rushing touchdown last year at all. Ty Chandler barely found the end zone.
Starting point is 00:20:13 They tried to resurrect Cam Akers before he suffered an Achilles tear. So is Aaron Jones the answer at his age? I hope so. But I don't think he's going to get over 1,000 total yards. I'm very concerned about running backs at this age. He actually turns 30 in December. So this is the point where the start of the breakdown typically happens or has happened already. And that felt like was the case with Jones last year. There's not a lot of running back targets in this offense. They're among the worst teams at throwing to the running backs. Now you're asking a rookie quarterback to support that
Starting point is 00:20:39 in the passing game as well. So I prefer Jones more as a flex. He's not somebody that I'm planning to aggressively draft this year, but if I get him at the right price, if I go here, RB or zero RB, and he is my RB too, I'll be okay with that, but just not somebody that I'm super excited about.
Starting point is 00:20:55 All right. We got one more player here. Jamie's up two to one Schneier. You can, you can even it up. And I'll tell you what, if you get it on your first guest, since Jamie got Pittman on his second guest,
Starting point is 00:21:04 I'll give you an extra half a point and you will be the victor, okay? I love how the rules can change mid-game. That's my favorite thing about a Nazer game. Of course. This last player scored 16 or more PPR fantasy points in five of his first
Starting point is 00:21:19 eight games, and then one of his last nine games. Great first half, bad second half. He was top five in receiving touchdowns. He played with four quarterbacks in 2023. He played in the ACC and the PAC 12. He is wide receiver 41 in our consensus rankings. I can't believe you guys are not getting this.
Starting point is 00:21:48 I got it. That was me. Oh, okay. No, just go for the kill. Jamie Jordan Addison. Jordan Addison is correct.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Let's see our Jordan. I was going to say Calvin Ridley, which wasn't going to work out. It definitely was not going to work out and say it there. Uh, quick. All right. Here's our projection for him. A lot of touchdowns there, but not much else. Dan, what do you think? Too high, too low on Addison?
Starting point is 00:22:16 For me, it's a little too high for a projection. I have a lot of concerns with how this passing offense is going to work. I do agree with what Jamie said. They're still going to lean on the pass. They don't have a lot of diversity in their run game. They basically only run zone. Um, so it's very hard for them to be effective in that regard, but I'm not so sure even with a pass heavy game plan, they'll be effective. I have concerns about Sam Darnold's ability to move the football. And I have concerns about JJ McCarthy in year one as an NFL quarterback when he's not given the situation he had at Michigan. So I think that
Starting point is 00:22:44 could potentially bring down the entire pass offense. I know it worked last year with Mullins and a little bit with Dobbs. So that was more of a running style, but I think Mullins had some years in the NFL and he had a little bit more experience in production, I would say, than even Sam Darnold or JJ McCarthy. So I have concerns here. Okay. Oh, can you think of any Confetti, we gotta celebrate Jamie's
Starting point is 00:23:05 win, congratulations big guy hey, hey, hey, thank you I was just gonna say that, you know, Addison, one of six receivers with ten touchdowns last year, TJ Hawkinson potentially missing the first half of the season should be a big plus for him so, at the right price, I think Addison's a good buy
Starting point is 00:23:19 well, listen, there haven't been a lot of drafts yet obviously, we're in early June but there have been some we do have some average draft position to look at when we come back on fantasy football today jamie and dan will tell you who's undervalued who's overvalued right now bumble knows it's hard to start conversations. Hey. No, too basic.
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Starting point is 00:24:21 and we're using fantasy pros pprPR, average draft position, a lot of initials in there, right? But what a kind of a weird trend we're seeing in this early ADP is like nobody seems to want to draft running backs. RB10 is going in round four. That's pretty weird. The wide receiver is going well ahead of the running backs. You're talking about 26 or 27 wide receivers off the board before the 10th running back in PPR. So we'll kind of react to that. Also, not just where the running backs are being drafted, but amongst running backs where they're being drafted.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Anyway, Jamie and Dan have overvalued and undervalued players. Let's take a look at Jamie's list of overvalued players. So these are players going too early, according to Fantasy Pro's average draft position. Devontae Adams, DJ Moore, Stefan Dix, Malik neighbors, 28th people. What? And Dave Flowers. Take it away, Jamie. Well, I mean, you, you said it, you know, wide receivers are getting pushed up. So that's part of this. And, uh, I'm, I'm going to guess, I don't know for sure. I don't want to speak for fantasy pros in their ADP, but it could be some rookie drafts that are pushing Malik neighbors into that range. But there's no way I'm taking these guys at this cost.
Starting point is 00:25:27 As you see, you know, you see the list in red of where I would draft these guys. So it's in a lot of cases, 10 plus spots behind these guys. And I love a lot of these players as talents. I think Malik neighbors are going to have a fantastic rookie season. I think Zay Flowers is a solid player in his second year in Baltimore's offense. But if you have to pay around three price for almost all of these guys and a round two price for Devante Adams at 31 years old, there's no chance I would draft these guys. I would much rather have a lot of the running backs that I'll show on the undervalued list
Starting point is 00:25:56 ahead of these players. So DJ Moore, crowded wide receiver core. Same thing for Stefan Diggs. Malik Nabors, rookie again, shouldn't be drafted in the third round. And Zay Flowers still on a run first team, still has to, I think, prove himself without Mark Andrews, with Mark Andrews, excuse me, because he was great without Mark Andrews last year. So I'll let anybody else draft all these players at this price tag. Let's take a look at Dan's overvalued list here. And keeping in mind that Travis Etienne going 41st,
Starting point is 00:26:23 well, he is RB10. Rashad White going 64th. Is that overvalued? Probably not. But maybe amongst running backs, he's RB15. So I think these are just players that Dan doesn't really love. But you can explain your list. Yeah, I mean, with ETN, to start there, it's a tale of two seasons. After the week nine bye, he had just one RB1 finish, meaning top 12.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And he finished outside the RB two range in five of his last nine games. We've already seen with just four total touchdowns. We've already seen talk of tanks, big, bigs be taking the mental jump that he needed during the early part of the OTAs. I just think you look at the dip in production from a yardage standpoint and touches clearly because he went from averaging 22.3 touches before the buy to 16.3 after. Sure, according to this ADP with running back so devalued, you may not be worried, but I am worried, especially when you consider the Jaguars offensive line was dead last and yards created before contact. Really not a good run blocking unit.
Starting point is 00:27:18 A few of the other guys I find to be a little bit overdrafted. Trey McBride, just three touchdowns last year. I felt like his rise was very target dependent. And the addition of Marvin Harrison jr. Is going to change a lot of things that often specifically in the red zone, a few other guys that I don't like Keenan Allen, 53 overall, look 32 years old for Keenan Allen dealing with injury problems. Every single season now enters a Shane Waldron system that didn't really do much for Jackson Smith and jig, but as the slot, in addition to that, building a whole new rapport with a brand new quarterback, going over to a different conference. I just think
Starting point is 00:27:48 there's a lot working against him. Anthony Richardson, I don't hate him this year. I see the upside, but looking at the position, you get Brock Purdy 30 picks later. He was the seventh most fantasy points per game among quarterbacks to a 40 picks later, Herbert 50 picks later, even Trevor Lawrence and Jaden Daniels, almost 60 picks later. As far as Richardson versus Daniels goes, I'm not so sure there should even be a 10 or 20 pick difference there. And then finally Rashad White, look, there's a fun story of Rashad White. I tweeted out some of his film last year during, uh, before beyond the box score show we did. And he, he got a reach out to me via DM and said, look, you're right about these clips. You broke them down. Well, I'll be better. And after that point on, he broke out as a fantasy running back.
Starting point is 00:28:25 So I hate to say it and put him on this list. But if you look at the advanced numbers, he was 42nd in misforced tackles per attempt, 40th in explosive run rate, and 45th in yards after contact per attempt among 49 qualifying running backs, according to fantasy points data. So that scares me.
Starting point is 00:28:41 I feel like a lot of what he did last year was volume based, but he was only 43rd in targets per route run, which tells me that he ran a lot of routes. Will that continue with Dave Canales gone as the offensive coordinator there? I'm not so certain. And they did draft Bucky Irving in this draft, who I really like coming out of Oregon.
Starting point is 00:28:57 So there are some concerns there for me with Rashad Wright, repeating what he did last year. Well, I know Jamie does not agree with you on Travis Etienne as we take a look at Jamie's undervalued list. These are players who are going too late. And it's the running backs, but Etienne 41st. And you like Travis Etienne, I guess. You got Pacheco, Cook, Rashad White.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Rashad White being that far behind those other three is a little surprising to me, Jamie. And you also like the value on Jonathan Brooks. Yeah, I'll go back to what Dan said about ETN. Yes, the Jaguars offensive line was very bad last year, but they made the move to get Ezra Cleveland. Cam Robinson should be back. I think the offensive line will be much improved this year,
Starting point is 00:29:35 which would help ETN. And we heard the story last year about Tank Bigsby being a part of this offense, and he was absolutely miserable that Dearness Johnson was playing over him. So Bigsby's got a lot to prove before I think ETN loses value. And we may see ETN get a bump in the passing game
Starting point is 00:29:48 because of over 200 targets vacated by the loss of Calvin Ridley and Zay Jones. So obviously Brian Thomas and Gabe Davis were brought in, but I think we'll see ETN have a little bump in the passing game also. So I'm perfectly fine with him in round two. Love him at 41st overall if that's where you're getting him. And for Rashad White, Baker Mayfield's calling card has kind of been underrated as a guy who throws to his running backs. He did it in Cleveland. He did it in Carolina. He did it last year in Tampa Bay. I think he'll do it again with Rashad White. Could be Bucky Irvin as well. It's a great point by Dan,
Starting point is 00:30:18 but I still think Rashad White's role in the passing game will be solidified. But if you're getting any of these running backs at this cost, James Cook, over 50 catches last year. We talked about this on a previous podcast on Fantasy Football today. I think he'd be a 70 catch guy this year with the receiving core looking like it is in Buffalo. And then Jonathan Brooks,
Starting point is 00:30:34 we have to keep an eye on the knee injury and exactly when he'll be back after suffering an ACL tear at Texas last year. But if he is ready for week one, which is the way that he's tracking right now, 92nd overall for a Dave Canales running back. And all he has to do is outplay Chuba Hubbard and Miles Sanders, which those guys were not exactly great last year and improved offensive
Starting point is 00:30:52 line and improved Bryce young, love the setup for him. And the same thing goes for Isaiah Pacheco. So clearly it's a site thing that the fantasy pros ADP is pushing down running backs. And that's why they're so low. But if you're going to get these guys at this cost, take your receivers early and then just load up on these running backs. You'll have a great fantasy team. Yeah, Brooks is RB26 in this ADP. And let's take a look now at undervalued players,
Starting point is 00:31:14 according to Dan Schneier. Go ahead, Dan. You got Zay Flowers, Ladd McConkie, Jaden Daniels, Devin Singletary, and Rico Dowdle. Yeah, look at what Flowers did after Mark Andrews. And I'm not scared off by the return of Mark Andrews. I think that what they did is realize that he could be a bigger part of the offense, particularly in the red zone where he had six targets there. You carry that over to the postseason. And I think what we're going to see is here, year two of the report with him and Lamar Jackson, Odell Beckham gone from the mix, more targets funneled his way.
Starting point is 00:31:42 But also more importantly, them turning those targets into something more. Zay Flowers was a three-level winner at Boston College on film, and in the vertical game, I think that's really where he'll make his mark and take the biggest jump from the improved rapport with him and Lamar Jackson. Ladd McConkie to me, just a phenomenal watch on film. He was 98th percentile in his receiving grade according to Pro Football Focus against single coverage and 91st percentile in separation percentage. That's the type of player he is. He can beat a single coverage and he also ran a four, three, nine, 40 yard dash with elite numbers in the 10 and 20 yard splits. This is a much better athlete than people realize. I don't think it will take long for him to be the
Starting point is 00:32:18 number one target in that offense. Even if it is as run heavy as people expecting, I'm still going to see maybe 125, 25, 130 targets there. Great value at that price. Jaden Daniels, to me, is probably the biggest free square in fantasy football. Right now, last year, en route to the Heisman Trophy, 50 total touchdowns, 90 plays on his own of 20 plus yards in 2023, combined with his rushing and passing. 22 to 0 touchdown interception rate on throws of 20 plus yards
Starting point is 00:32:43 with a 67% completion rate. I don't think people realize how insane that is. And sure, it's college football and it's carrying over, but that level dual threat should not be going after the top 100 picks in any fantasy draft. Finally, the last two, Devin Singletary going in the 110, 110 overall. He steps in as the lead back for the Giants. And the only competition is a pair of fifth round picks in Eric Gray and Tyrone Tracy. Yes, I like Tyrone Tracy a lot, but fifth round pick with a lot of room to grow as far as converting from wide receiver to running back.
Starting point is 00:33:15 In weeks nine through 18, Devin Singletary averaged 19 touches and 86.6 total yards en route to being a running back to RB2 and 21 overall. I think that's fair to assume something like that again with the Giants in that RB2 range. If you're getting that at 110, it's great value. And finally, Rico Dowdle. Like, I'm not really sold as why he keeps he's still going so late. 141st overall here. Sure, they added Ezekiel Elliott, but Ezekiel Elliott's underlying numbers are really, really poor with the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:33:41 That's been a downward trend for him. Meanwhile, Rico Dowdle was 16th in the NFL and yards after contact per attempt. Really impressive numbers on the underlying metrics. I think he's a better running back overall than Zeke at this point in his career. And I think he'll have a much bigger role than people expect. And to get that 141 overall in a really good offense with an offensive line that continues to improve with the addition of Tyler Guyton in the draft this year. I just love that value.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Can I ask you guys a question as a, as giants fans, um, how many receptions will Devon Singletary have from drew lock thrown in passes? Well, that's a good question. If the giants start as poorly as people expect,
Starting point is 00:34:18 I think we'll turn, they'll turn to drew lock pretty fast because Daniel Jones has the $23 million injury guarantee in this contract, similar to Derek Carr and Russell Wilson of the past. So a projection could be, maybe we see 10, 11 games of drew lock. The giants aren't winning early, maybe more. So let's go with 25 receptions from drew lock. What was Daniel Jones's over, under, and touchdown passes was like eight or something. It was nine and a half, but I think that turned out to be a fake uh a fake prop that somebody uh propagated on the internet oh you know he gets it yeah take the under all right listen
Starting point is 00:34:51 jamie claimed victory in name that player earlier dan has a chance to draw even with fantasy feud let's see what happens when we come back on Fantasy Football. Metrolinks and Crosslinks are reminding everyone to be careful as Eglinton Crosstown LRT train testing is in progress. Please be alert as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. It is time for Fantasy Feud. I've got three categories for the guys.
Starting point is 00:35:42 We're going to find out if they have the guts to actually play. Instead of passing, they always pass. I suspect they will not have the guts. But the way you buzz in is just by saying your name. That's the best we're going to do here. Let's go to our first category. The top six answers are on the board. Here's the category.
Starting point is 00:35:59 Tight end, touchdown, catch leaders. Jamie. Top leaders. Jamie. Jamie. Sam Laporta. He is the number one answer. Would you like to pass or play? Oh, it's more fun to watch Dan sweat. Let's pass.
Starting point is 00:36:17 I happen to agree with you on this one. Okay. You got five more touchdown catch leaders at the tight end position from last year. Sam Laporta is off the board. Who else led the position? Dan, let's go with... I already missed the rules. You get guesses until you get three
Starting point is 00:36:37 strikes. David Njoku. David Njoku is correct. Good job. He's like third or something. I keep going or no? Yes, you keep going. Have you ever seen the show? I have never seen Family Feud
Starting point is 00:36:55 actually, somehow, some way. It's on my most embarrassing list. I didn't think we would have to get to that point where I had to admit that, but clearly I thought wrong. So with my next guess, I am going to go with, how about Jake Ferguson? Jake Ferguson is incorrect. That's one strike, one strike.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Okay. How about Travis Kelsey? Travis Kelsey is, sorry, I'm getting my list here. Travis Kelsey is incorrect. Oh, my God. How about George Kittle? Yes, that one is correct. All right, you have, we're three off the board.
Starting point is 00:37:38 We have Laporta, Njoku, and Kittle, and there are three more to get, and you have only, you don't have any strikes left. So if you miss here, Jamie gets to steal. Do I get a pass still with what Jamie did or no? That's not part of the game. Just guess. Just try to find the time.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Okay. Okay. Okay. No pass allowed. No pass allowed. Give me... Hmm. Let's think about this and try to get this right. And let's take, with my final guess... Dalton Schultz?
Starting point is 00:38:14 No. No. Great guess. Not bad. He and Kelsey just missed the cut. Okay, Jamie, Sam Korda, George Kittle, and David Njoku are off the board. Give me one more tight end who is top six in touchdown catches. Cole Komet.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Nice! Cole Komet is... I did not... You have Cole Komet on there. You have actually Mark Andrews who had six touchdowns in only ten games. And Hunter Henry was the last one. So it was actually... Those NFC North outlooks.
Starting point is 00:38:47 Sim with 10 and the rest with six. I just figured Dan had edited them, so maybe he would have known. All right, next category. You got to sweep the board. You got to get them both, Dan. Remember, if you know, say your name and you go first. Top six carries inside the five-yard line. Players with the most carries inside the five-yard line.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Jamie. Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts is number six. So that means, Dan, you get a guess here to see if you can beat that. Get one of the top five. Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry is incorrect So Jamie, pass or play?
Starting point is 00:39:27 Oh, you know I'm passing Dan That was amazing Was Derrick Henry not an answer? Top six in carry Inside the five yard line So far we have just Jalen Hurts Okay Joe Mixon Joe Mixon is In carry inside the five-yard line, so far we have just Jalen Hurts.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Okay. Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon is correct. He's third. There we go. There we go. Starting to cook a little bit. David Montgomery.
Starting point is 00:39:58 David Montgomery is correct. All right. We're cooking a little bit. Saquon Barkley. That is incorrect. Incorrect. The injury. Now I'm reeling. Rohit Mostert. Rohit Mostert. Rohit Mostert is one of the two who led in this category. So what we have, Mostert, Mixon, Montgomery, and Hertz, only one strike and two left on the board.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Wow. Gus Edwards. Holy moly! Gus Edwards tied with Raheem Boser. Only one left, Dan Schneier. Oh, no. This is the tough one. I don't want to... Why do I want to... Isaiah Pacheco, this feels wrong.
Starting point is 00:40:40 It feels wrong for a reason. It is wrong. It is wrong. Jamie's going to start thinking about his steal. I got one more guess to make. Kyron Williams? Ooh, he missed all those games. Ah, no.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Incorrect. Incorrect. Not bad, though. I was impressed. Five out of six. Jamie, if you get this right, you win the feud. Top six carries inside the five-yard line. Who do you got?
Starting point is 00:41:08 I'm torn between two guys. One's a quarterback. One's a running back. I'm going to take the running back and go Christian McCaffrey over Josh Allen. Oh, what a guess. Christian McCaffrey it is. Jamie wins. How did I forget about the RB1 overall, who had like 25 touchdowns last year?
Starting point is 00:41:23 It's funny because you obviously hit on two guys that scored 13-plus touchdowns in Raheem Mostert and Gus Edwards. The third was McCaffrey. And so I was hoping you weren't going to say him. It was too obvious for me to pick somehow. All right. Well, the last category we're going to skip, actually, because Jamie already won. It was the top five running back game in PPR.
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Starting point is 00:42:33 Back for one final segment of fantasy football today. It is fill in the blank. Going to start with this for Jamie only. Dan was blank at Fantasy Feud. Dan. Well said. Well said. Dan was blank at Fantasy Feud Dan Hey listen Schneier I've really taken a lot of shots at you And I want you to get one at me Before the end of the show okay
Starting point is 00:42:56 It can't be that one sided But I do want to thank our audience There you go I want to thank our audience for these fill in the blanks This is from Twitter. So here we go. Tajay Spears will be a top-blank running back if Tony Pollard is actually done like we thought.
Starting point is 00:43:16 15. I was thinking exact 15 as well. I can't think of a different number there. I'm still not as enthused by that offensive line, despite the additions, and more importantly, Will Levis moving the football on a consistent basis. And Brian Callahan... Yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Zach Moss will finish as a top blank running back in 2024. Top 20 for me. Okay. Again, I just don't think... Go ahead. Go ahead, Dan. No, this goes back to what we were discussing before. I just feel like they're not ready to trust Chase Brown yet,
Starting point is 00:43:55 and Zach Moss will still have a high snap share there. Jamie. All right, Jamie. I think it will take an injury for Zach Moss to lose his job, but that's been the case wherever he's been. All right, Jamie, why don't you go first and Dan can follow. Will Levis has a blank percent
Starting point is 00:44:12 chance of finishing as a top 10 fantasy quarterback this season. 20% chance. Calvin Ridley, DeAndre Hopkins have peak seasons for where they are at this point in their careers. So, you know, top 30-ish caliber seasons.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Chico Conquo remains a factor. Tyler Boyd has an impact. And the running backs make plays out of the backfield. And I think just with Bill Callahan running the offensive line, Brian Callahan calling plays, Will Levis has a chance to surprise some people. I'm going to go with 0.57% chance under 1% chance. I don't believe in Will Levis. This reminds me of one of my favorite moments of fantasy football today when I was just reeling off his game logs from his final season in Kentucky
Starting point is 00:44:53 when he's ripping 179 yards, 190 yards. I just don't buy the talent there. And more importantly, the position is just so deep at quarterback. Like I look into it and I'm looking at guys like Brock Purdy. I mean, we rank Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence outside the top 12. And that's because we can't fit anybody else in. I know some people don't love their outlooks as well, but I don't see it happening there.
Starting point is 00:45:14 All right. We are going to go rapid fire for the rest of these. We'll go to Jamie and then to Dan, just an answer for the blanks here. I don't know why this one has two blanks, but let's, let's try it. Blank will surpass Christian McCaffrey in points this year. If blanks here. I don't know why this one has two blanks, but let's try it. Blank will surpass Christian McCaffrey
Starting point is 00:45:26 in points this year if Blank stays healthy. Resol and Bijan Robinson will surpass Christian McCaffrey in fantasy points this year if McCaffrey doesn't stay healthy. I'll go with Bijan Robinson will surpass him in fantasy points
Starting point is 00:45:45 if Elijah Mitchell stays healthy, and it'll be a bigger part of the mix than people think as they try to keep Christian McAfee healthy for the playoffs. Dan has again failed the assignment. No, you failed the assignment. You changed the blank. I said names only. That was the assignment.
Starting point is 00:46:01 All right, fine. There will be blank amount of tight ends with wide receiver one production this season. I'm saying zero, Jamie. Two, Sam Laporte or Travis Kelsey? One for me, Travis Kelsey. There is no way that Sam Laporte is going to have top 12 wide receiver production.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Jalen Hyatt will rank top blank in fantasy for 2024. This one was for Dan, but you could start, Dan. Top 42. Top 142. And Jamison Williams will be a top blank wide receiver in 2024.
Starting point is 00:46:40 30. 40. All right. That was good, guys. Thank you. Thanks to both of you. Great job today, fellas. Thank you, guys.
Starting point is 00:46:51 And I promise I'll do better next time in family and all games. All right. That's going to do it for Fantasy Football today. I want to thank all of you for watching here on CBS Sports Network. Don't forget to check out our podcast, Fantasy Football, anywhere you listen to podcasts or on YouTube and all of the great content from Jamie and Dan on CBSSports.com. I'm Adam Azer. Talk to you next time.

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