Fantasy Football Today - Coaching News, 2024 Top 12, Fantasy Superlatives (01/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

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This is gonna go the distance! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Well, what's up, everybody? It is the postseason now, and the fantasy season is kind of over, but the 2024 season starts right now. All right, we're going to give you our top 24 for next year. We're going to obviously take a brief look at the NFL playoff matchups and really expecting a very fun weekend here.

And we're going to say hello to Dave and Jamie. Pretty fun game last night, Jamie Eisenberg. I gave a hot take. I was watching with some friends who I do have. And I gave a hot take. Like midway through the game, I said, if you put Tua Tungabailoa on the Giants, he's basically Daniel Jones. Yeah.

Maybe. I was surprised, and I'll give you a chance before i send it in that you have tua ranked over dak prescott i believe uh-huh yeah i'm good with that okay i mean dak so do you have daniel jones ranked out of dak prescott as well i mean look he's still good for fantasy as long as hill and Waddle are healthy. He's still going to put up big, big numbers. Dak has like one guy. I think that was why I went with...

I basically had Tua, Purdy, and Dak in a three-way tie, if I recall, and I think I had them 11, 12, 13. You were the only person of the five people who ranked quarterbacks for the exercise that we're doing do not have Dak in the top 12.

He's 13. Where did you guys have him? I had Tua 13th. Oh, you're saying Dak wasn't in the top 12. Yeah, Dak's 13th. Yes, Dak is five for me. I'm in off-season listening mode. I've got Dak at eight,

but there's obviously a chance that he could rise. There's a lot that could change in Dallas this offseason. Apparently. Yeah, we'll see what happens this weekend. They are the NFC champions, though. NFC East champions, sorry. I got ahead of myself there. The NFC East champions.

A little preview? What do you think is going to happen? I was hanging out with a Packers fan last night, and he is ready. He's like, we got this. We love beating the Dallas Cowboys. They're confident. There's like, we got this. We love beating the Dallas Cowboys. They're confident. There's a few upset spots

for this upcoming weekend. I think there's only two that you look at and you go, there's no way there's going to be an upset. There's only one for me. Kansas City and Buffalo. Yes. No, I don't agree on Kansas City. Okay.

You know what? Kansas City you know what they haven't played well enough to say that they're definitely going to beat my 100 but the dolphins are so beat up right now they are so injured they are on defense you know people you might obviously you know about the offensive injuries but the defensive injuries are really taking a toll on them hoping they lost five pass rushers in the last, I think, month. Yeah. And they have to go to a cold weather. It's going to be tough, but I don't think the Chiefs have just been so uninspiring for a while. I can't wait.

I'm really pumped. It's a good wildcard weekend, I think. It's great. Cleveland at Houston. That's a good game. Except that stupid game's on Peacock. Miami, Kansas City. We like streaming. Streaming's good. We like streaming for us, not streaming for other people. Exactly.

How about Cleveland and Houston in the playoffs facing each other and Deshaun Watson is not the quarterback for either team? That's a, yeah. Fun story line. I tweeted out the reunions last night and somebody brought that up. Watson versus Browns. Watson's that up. Watson versus Browns. Watson's not playing. Yeah.

I mean, Watson versus Texans. Watson's not playing in the Texans. So the lions Rams is the first matchup in postseason history between two quarterbacks, both facing their former teams. And I think the last time, okay.

I'm reading from our, our CBS research team. It's the first time a quarterback faces his former team in the playoffs since... Anyone know? Is it Peyton Manning? Yeah. Peyton Manning against the Colts in 2014, and he lost that game.

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award. SportsPodcastAwards.com Best Fantasy Betting and Gaming Podcast. Today on the show, news and notes. We'll give you the coaching updates. We're going to take a look at Week 18. Week 18 deserves some love. We'll talk about guys like Jordan Love. Actually, no, he was not one of the top five, but he'll be talked about at some point because we're doing

superlatives. Derek Carr. Derek Carr is the number one quarterback in Week 18. He finished strong. James Conner, Nico Collins, Dalton Kincaid. We won't just skip over it. It is important stuff. We have our superlatives. MVP, biggest bust, best waiver wire pickup, which also might be the MVP, and the comeback player of the year. And also we'll unveil our top 24s for the 2024 season. All right. Arthur Smith, fired. Dave, your reaction? Expected. Totally reasonable. Looking forward to the Falcons hiring a head coach that will use his best talent.

But more importantly, agree to find a quarterback that can actually help lead the team to some victories and not cost the team with terrible inaccuracy, untimely turnovers, and being so bad that Taylor Heineke has to come in and take over. Good for Bijan. It's good for everyone everywhere. Well, I mean, let's see who they hire, but yes, it should be good for Bijan. It's good for everyone, everywhere. Well, I mean, let's see who they hire. But yes, it should be good for everyone, everywhere. And the quarterback is obviously going to matter a big part of this.

So I would hope that they bring in someone to maximize the talent of what they've accrued over the last three seasons. With bringing in arguably the best tight end, wide wide receiver and running back in their respective classes. And in some cases, some of the best talent that we've seen coming into the NFL, certainly a tight end and running back. There's a lot to love about what the situation can be, but if they don't get the quarterback fixed, it's really not going to matter very much. You know, so that's the that's the next, you know, phase of what has to happen for the Falcons here. So we'll see. I think they put their GM, Terry Fontenot, on notice as well that he's probably not going to be around also,

given the fact that the statement that they released, that he'll be part of the hiring process, as opposed to he will be the guy making the hire. So don't be surprised if the coach that they bring in, if in fact they probably have somebody in place already, decides to have his own personnel person could be the belichick um so we'll see what happens with uh who the who the patriots hire but obviously the quarterback is still to be determined and that's a big part of it the falcons have the eighth pick and i do think at this point depending on what happens tonight in

the national championship game you know you could see four quarterbacks going in the top eight with uh may with williams may jayden daniels and pennix but i i'm looking right now at a mock draft on our website from december 21st from chris chapazzo ryan's no it's chris chapazzo from december i know ryan just because i was i did a college football segment yesterday on on hq with uh uh talking about the game tonight and And Ryan has Penix at 11. So he could easily be in play. Yeah. And now I'm looking at one from the 21st, two of them from the 21st.

And Penix is not in either of them. And that was the point I'd make about Penix is that I don't think he was considered a first round pick until last week. And I'd wonder if it's a little silly to overlook an entire career and just, oh, he was great. He was great. And maybe wonder if it's a little silly to overlook an entire career and just be, oh, he was great. He was great.

And maybe, you know, this happens all the time. I mean, quarterbacks rise so much. But I do wonder about that with Penix, if he's going to be pushed up by one performance. And we'll obviously see what happens tonight. If he has a bad game tonight, all this buzz might throw it away. It's been the season, you know.

And I think part of it and i just know this and i wasn't aware of this just because i wasn't you know i'm not so uh dialed in yet as i will be um that he had both acls uh repaired so um the segment i did was with um former gm current uh commander's consultant um rick spielman and said that, you know, the medicals will certainly matter for what will happen here. But as was said on the segment as well, teams will overlook medicals if they like the player. So I think it'll come down to, you know, if he has a strong game tonight on top of what he did in the semifinals then he is i mean he's definitely a first round

pick there's no doubt about it at this point you know uh it's just a matter of is he a top 10 pick and that's i think what will be interesting to see yeah i mean some of his throws that he made in that game it's a really ridiculous he also at the at halftime in that game i don't know if he got sacked in the second half but they gave the stat at halftime. He's been sacked 11 times all season. So that's another thing. Holy cow, what an offensive line they have. The comparison that Rick Spielman made was kind of twofold. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of two-a comparisons because they're lefties.

But the thing he said as a player, he reminds him a lot of CJ Stratton. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. Yeah, the last, just go back to the Falcons here. I mean, he reminds him a lot of CJ Stratton. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. Yeah, the last, just go back to the Falcons here. I mean, does it concern you at all? They have been, they have been first and third in rush attempts the last two years,

and they've been first and second or second and first in running back rush attempts. So I guess like, how could a coach be better for both the running game and the passing game? I know they could, but just ask me. By eliminating the number of running backs that are going to run the ball.

Well, Patterson is gone. He's not staying on the team. Right, but, like, still, how many games this year were there where Algier, forget about him being close to the amount of work that Bijan had, but had more touches than Bijan had? Well, I think if you eliminate, if you azer stat it and eliminate the headache game and you look at what was really the second half of the season, Bijan had more carries than Algier.

I agree with you 100%, Dave. Algier had too many carries, I think, for anybody's liking based on where the investments were made in both of these guys. But, I mean, look, we had this conversation, I think, last week. How many teams are going to have Belcal running backs like we're used to talking about? There are not going to be very many. And I don't think Bijan is necessarily going to get 20 carries consistently week to week as long as Algiers is there.

Because, look, Algiers is a good running back. He's a good player. So whoever the coach is will give him some opportunities. The thing I think that will help is probably you know just featuring bijan more in all facets of the game and that's i think something that could be certainly done with the next coach and hopefully the right quarterback in place but i mean look there there's a there's a lot to love about the situation for whoever's going to be the play caller there i think we would all look at and say of the opportunities

for a ben Ben Johnson can go because he's the most prominent offensive coordinator looking for a job or at least expected to get a job, this would be the most favored landing spot if he can get the right quarterback with him. And it's so easy for him to walk in and say, all right, I'm looking at the Falcons games last year or this season, this past season.

Last year was crazy. Tampa Bay, five games ago. I'm looking at the Falcons games last year or last this season, this past year, as I was saying last year, it's crazy. Tampa Bay, five games ago, Robinson had one more carry than Algier Carolina four games ago. That was the rain game. Algier had twice as many carries as Bijan. So like the,

the very first thing that Ben Johnson could walk into a meeting and say is we're going to find ways to creatively use Bijan Robinson on top of like all the stuff that you saw him do last year. And based on like a smart offensive coordinator, we'll be able to find 25 different ways to make that happen. Cause Bijan can do anything. He's really a talented back. I don't want him to get 20 carries a game. I want him to get 20 touches a game, and I want him to block into 16 minimum every single week. Feed him. Give him a chance to help your offense. Stay on the field. Give your defense a rest, and he can be a hyper-efficient running back. That's what I want to see, and then Arthur Smith rarely, if ever, gave him a chance to do anything like that. I don't know if I agree with that. I think he did, and Bijan

only averaged 4.1 yards per carry in his last eight games, and those were, you know, Jamie, you said that Cesar said this, and I already did all that going in. I removed the headache game. I looked at really the last eight games of the year, though, so forget about even the headache game. The last eight games of the year started with that Arizona game, and

that's when they really gave Bijan more work, and when he became the goal line back, you know, not exclusively, but at least usually. And in those eight games, he had 111 carries and 30 catches. He was on pace for 236 carries, which is not a ton, but 64 catches. He was on pace for about 1600 total yards and 10 touchdowns. But here's the problem. I mean, as Dave said it, Bijan had 111 carries in that game. Tyler Algier had 70. And Cordero Patterson had 36.

That is just too much. Those two In the last eight. In the last eight. In the last eight games when Bijan became more of a feature back, he had about 51, 52% of the running back carries. And that's just not enough. We'll get into it. For the last back carries, and that's just not enough. All right, we'll get into it. No, for the last five games,

he had 12 or fewer carries. Yeah, we'll talk about it on FFT in five if you want to listen to that. Washington fired Ron Rivera. Jamie, your thoughts on that situation? You know, unfortunate. You know, I think he's, you know, he needed to go,

you know, once new ownership, you know, took over and he saw the way the season unfolded. And for a team that, you know, I needed to go, you know, once new ownership, you know, took, took over and you saw the way the season unfolded and for a team that, you know, I think some people thought had a chance to maybe be a playoff contender this year. Um, certainly disappointed. The defense really did not play well. Uh, Jack Del Rio, you know, you can say it was a big part of that. They got rid of him. Um, but that's kind of Rivera's calling card too. And so, you know, just the team, I think they need a reset button. And, and, and again, looking at who's going to come in there, they got to fix the quarterback. So they're going to draft a quarterback. Most likely, I mean, it'd be very shocking if they did not.

They've certainly been rumored to maybe trade up to the number one spot. But there's still plenty of talent there. You know, I mean, when you look at McCorn and hopefully the next coach brings out the best of Jahan Dotson and Curtis Samuel, it's not a bad receiving core. I think they need to get younger at tight end. And the running back situation, I think, is fine. You know, for what most NFL teams look like. Brian Robinson and Antonio Gibson, nice one-two combo there. But would not be surprised if Gibson's gone.

But in any event, a team that certainly needs a fresh start. And the quarterback will certainly determine how that goes. Okay. We've got Carolina firing GM Scott Fitterer. We got Bill Belichick. We'll hopefully know soon. His future is uncertain with the Patriots at this point. Brian Dable said the expectation is that the Giants

are going to keep defensive coordinator Wink Martindale and Daniel Jones is hoping to be ready for training camp. And yesterday or this weekend, there was a report on NFL Network that Jones was likely to be the week one starter for the giants but obviously that could all change they have the sixth pick in the nfl draft we'll see what they end up doing there puka nakua set the nfl record for a rookie for catches and yards in a season well 17 games come on evan ingram came up two

catches short of the uh tight end recept record. Zach Ertz still has that. 116 in 2018. He had one bad drop, that's for sure. Oh, my gosh, yeah. He should get an interception for that. Jalen Hurts. Okay, the Eagles had a bad day. They had a bad day.

Jalen Hurts hurt his finger. A.J. Brown left with a knee injury. Safety Sidney Brown reportedly suffered a torn ACL. Bad day at the office for the philadelphia eagles and yet they get the easy matchup in the is it easy it's easy i think i'd rather play i don't think there's an easy matchup for philadelphia i'd rather play them than the packers even at home road whatever oh absolutely in terms of who's who's left yes they they probably had the easiest matchup of the nfc side but still like the

bucks probably feels easy for philly yeah and the bucks you know hopefully they can run the ball because anyone can run the ball on the eagles right now uh gabe davis left with an injury and actually the bills got pretty beat up rasul douglas starting cornerback knee injury linebacker tyrell dodson left with an injury so hopefully they're okay for their blowout again oh Ty Johnson yeah concussion I believe I shouldn't just assume they're going to blow out the Steelers I don't I don't know I mean I don't think the Bills are playing great do you how do you guys feel about the way the Bills are playing uh the Bills should have won that game by three touchdowns last night I mean two interceptions in the end zone from Josh Allen

you know and Sean McDermott did not seem pleased when he was asked about that at halftime. They had an opportunity to score again, whether it was three points or a touchdown. He was also upset about that, the Ty Johnson play at the half. Yes, they're not playing perfect football, but they have the opportunity, I think, of any team in the AFC to run the gamut. I mean, you know, you're looking at the way that it sets up for them. The Steelers, without TJ Watt, we know their offensive deficiencies and their defense is just so beat up. So it should be an easy win for them at home. Then you get either the Dolphins or the Chiefs on the road.

First road game in the playoffs for Mahomes. Tua in the cold is obviously not very good in his history against Buffalo, not very good. So that should be a win for them, potentially. Again, we'll see what happens if the Chiefs. Baltimore, we know their history in the playoffs hasn't exactly been great with Lamar Jackson. So if they get by their first round matchup, I mean, the Bills, to me, are the AFC representative going to the Super Bowl. That's how I have it mapped out.

I think a lot of people will agree with that. I think the Ravens right now are just a lot better than them, but that doesn't mean they will be if and when they face off. Are there odds on who makes the Super Bowl from the AFC? Sure, yeah. Okay, so how heavy of a favorite are the Ravens compared to everybody else? I mean, you would just tier it based on the seeding. So I would imagine it's the Ravens and the Bills are the one and the two.

And then it's a matter of how much do they still value the Chiefs as the three. All right. So the 49ers are plus 220. The Ravens are plus. This is to win the Super Bowl. Win the Super Bowl. Right. I want to win the AFC championship.

Let's see. To win the AFC. Okay. The Ravens are plus 140, 130. I see. Plus 260. Some places are plus 300. And then it's the Chiefs, Dolphins.

Dolphins, like the Chiefs are close behind and then everyone else is really far behind. Yeah. The Browns. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, that's probably the order that it should be in. But I might say that Kansas City is the second best team in the AFC

and the team that Baltimore should have to watch out for. I could see that defense coming together quickly and the offensive line getting stronger, healthier, and coming up with something to stay competitive in all their games. Oh, I would agree. But having to go on the road, based on how they've looked so far this season, even at home, to me, that's a big edge for Buffalo.

Yeah, I get it. Yeah, we haven't really talked too much about the Chiefs missing their left tackle. It's been huge. It's been not half the reason why they've been bad, but a big reason, just the pressure that Mahomes has been getting. And he's been struggling to make Superman plays because he can't make normal plays. He can't make a normal play because the offensive line isn't protecting him.

And then he's trying to make Superman plays and his receivers aren't good enough to help him out there like they used to be. Completely agree with his take in our chat. The Browns plus 1,400 to win the AFC is spicy. Yeah, that's not a bad one either. Yeah. I mean, look, defense travels. We know that. Yes.

They can certainly make enough plays offensively. It's just a matter of it's tough to win three on the road. Yeah, totally. All right. We're going to take a break here. By the way, are we doing a playoff challenge? Anything on the website about playoff challenges? No.

I want to check this before I say anything. So if you want to just talk about something else, because I don't want to say the wrong thing. Oh, Dave. Oh my gosh. I forgot a huge thing. All the Lions injuries, Sam Laporta,

Kalief Raymond, and then two other guys left, but return Brian branch or safety. And of course, Amandra St. Brown, but the Sam Laporta injury and the Kalief Raymond, these are huge.

So unfortunate. Well, one huger than the other. Laporta being out is definitely going to take away a big-time target for Jared Goff and someone who's been a short area weapon, a red zone weapon. And I'm curious if it's just, all right, we're going to get what we get out of Brock Wright

and hopefully that he can just pick up the slack while Laporte is gone. But to me, that's a huge loss, figuratively and literally, for the Lions offense moving forward. They need somebody to be that intermediate option opposite Amon Ross St. Brown. Yeah. And Josh Reynolds, does he step up? Does he become that option? I think so., does he step up to become that option?

I think so. I think he's going to be a very, he might have to be in those playoff challenge leagues and playoff DFS lineups that could step up and help people. Yeah. Well, it's just a shame. Hopefully it's nothing too bad for Laporta.

Dan Campbell said it's not good, but it's not as bad as it looked. He's probably missing the playoffs. If I, but he'll be fine for week one yeah i hope that's the case i mean hopefully there's no ligament damage that he needs surgery but it was not pretty when you saw what happened to him um so yeah so i i did see the uh nfl uh nfl.com has discontinued their playoff challenge oh no so uh much like we did a few

years ago i guess they just found it wasn't worth it um which sucks because it was always a fun thing i loved our game i thought their game was fun too um i do a couple of private ones so there are people that do you know playoff challenges um if you do they're awesome uh we are having uh well it was it was told to me usually i do playoff challenge rankings that since the nfl.com they discontinued their games i don't have to do it but i'll probably still do it because i like ranking the players for the playoffs um so uh we'll see if that's still on the site so you can get some playoff rankings there uh but in any event it seems like most of the uh playoff challenge leagues are going private as opposed to having public wants to do them okay well we're taking a break a big public break for everyone to see

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Top five quarterbacks, Derek Carr with 35 fantasy points. He threw 14 touchdown passes in his last five games. Really finished hot, Derek Carr with 35 fantasy points. He threw 14 touchdown passes in his last five games. Really finished hot, Derek Carr. Dak Prescott, about 34 fantasy points. A huge game at Washington. Carson Wentz with 28 fantasy points at San Francisco. Josh Allen with a bad game for him against the Dolphins. He had been averaging over 35 points per game in his last 11 games, I believe, against the Dolphins. He only scored 27 points, and that was with three turnovers, two picks and

a fumble. And Jared Goff with 24.8 fantasy points at Minnesota. Man, it's so strange. Jared Goff, the home road stuff lately has been just bananas. It's mostly the touchdowns. But Carr, Prescott, Wentz, Josh Allen, Jared Goff, Dave, any quick thoughts there? No. I mean, I think as far as fantasy playoffs are concerned, Dak is going to continue to keep rolling and rolling. I would imagine him to throw a lot pretty much every single playoff game

that they have. Allen looks like the Bills are going to go back to him as the catalyst of their offense and not run as much. And Goff is the one that I'd be almost a little too optimistic about for the matchup against LA because that Rams run defense has been so good and their pass defense has been so bad and he's at home. He might be the one that you want to start this week. I don't know how much longevity he has. He might play two playoff games, but I think he could end up being an outstanding quarterback and a good pivot from Prescott in the first week of the playoffs.

The thing that you want to do with any playoff challenge is you got to map out how many games you think your team or how many games you think a team will play. Because clearly if it's a total point situation, you want to get four games. And so the way that I look at it is Buffalo has the most value because they can easily play four games. Sure.

Running back. Got James Conner, who scored 17 points. What a finish. Yeah, I know. 30 points yesterday against Seattle. 17.9 or more fantasy points in five straight games to finish the season for James Conner. And the Cardinals, according to PFF, they are,

I don't know if their rankings are updated, so I might be wrong about this because it's only Monday, but currently 26th in run blocking, which would be the best finish for a James Connor team in four seasons. He's always on a bad run blocking team. One of the two worst three years in a row. That's funny. No,

that line was playing really well like a month ago and they kept it up for the rest of the season. That's also if you buy those rankings being the most relevant thing to judge how they are actually blocking. Right. I don't, but when I see a team

like 31st, 32nd. I get it. I mean, look, it's the only thing we can go off of. Yeah, exactly. Jonathan Taylor was second.

Brees Hall was third. He only had 39 touches against the Patriots. Bijan Robinson was fourth. And Joe Mixon, I think, pretty interesting the way he finished

the season. Joe Mixon was fifth in Week 18. And in the last six games of the year, the Jake Browning starts, he was the number four running back overall in PPR and number seven per game. He averaged 4.3 yards per carry, which is like, which is like, you know, a normal running back averaging eight yards per carry. Um, sorry. Uh, but anyway, what a finish for Mixon gives you something to think about going into next year Jamie I was about to ask you know if you're the Bengals do you try and just run it back for one more year you know so to your guys point about you know franchise tagging T Higgins and obviously

hoping for a healthy Joe Burrow if you're able to bring everybody back you bring Joe Mixon back with the hope of okay he can still give us one more season as our guy. And then we figure out the running back situation after that. Now, I don't know how much that factors into what their, their salary cap situation. Again, if I'm T Higgins, I'm gone. If I have the opportunity to so we'll see how that all unfolds, but you know, Mixon, it feels as if, you know, just based on everything that was, you know, kind of being said that he's done in Cincinnati. And so if that's the case, where does he go was you know kind of being said that he's done in cincinnati and so if that's the case where does he go you know to probably supplement a backfill at this point because i don't know if he goes somewhere to be a featured guy and that's the the next thing of what we have to see with some of these guys that are going to be getting up in age and you

know leaving teams right 28 years old three3 million roster bonus on March 19th. They would save almost $6 million on the cap if they cut him. I think his salary is actually kind of reasonable for a 28-year-old running back. They've got Chase Brown that they could have to supplement him. I can't rule out that he stays in Cincinnati one more year. It doesn't mean that I'm going to love drafting him. But he finished strong, and that's an offense that they could easily just say, you know what? We've got good pieces here. Let's, let's try one more time with everybody. And they, they also did allow him to, they could have easily not played him, allowed him to get two pretty significant incentives with

the two touchdowns, you know? So, you know, that's something I think Zach Taylor said at the beginning of the season, I'll go back to the owner's meetings, you know, when there was thought of being gone because of the potential suspension. He was like, you know, Joe's our guy. And they stuck with them all season despite the injuries. And they could have easily said, OK, it's time to see what we have behind him a little bit more. And then we saw a little bit of Chase Brown, clearly. But, you know, they could have easily week 18 said, we don't want to get mixing the incentives.

And Chase Brown, go see if you can earn the job. And they didn't. They stuck with Mixon and kudos to him for coming through. And maybe he has one more season left of it. I don't think anybody wants to draft him as a top tier fantasy option if he's still in Cincinnati, but he'll be a great fallback number two running back that you can certainly get with a great value

pick. Okay, take a look at the top five wide receivers in fantasy week eight. A lot of big names here. Justin Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb are one and two. Nico Collins, number three. Amonra St. Brown, four. Tavian Wicks is five. I want to ask you about the Texans.

All right, we talked to, I don't think Jamie was on at that point, but Heath and Dave both said Tank Dell over Nico Collins. Is there anything that would make you change your mind? This week, 18 game, maybe another big game in the playoffs. Could anything change your mind about Nico versus Dell? As far as the games themselves?

No, as far as, Oh, okay. No, sorry. Yeah. No,

like if we get to late July and tank Dell isn't in training camp yet, and he's slow to recover from the injury that he had, then yeah, of course, Nico will go over Tank Dell. But I think people are going to be excited over Tank Dell. I think that they'll know what his upside is. And no one should be surprised by how Nico is performing. He's been playing great all year, but the numbers that he's putting up right now, I think a lot of them would not be here

if the Texans receiving core was healthy and for whatever it's worth against Indianapolis, they didn't have a lot of other receivers on the field. So it had to be Nico Collins being the main wide receiver for CJ Stroud. And he's still going to be good next year, but I don't see him being a top 10 type of fantasy receiver. Okay. I don't,

I don't know if either one will be a top 10 receiver for me agreed right they're they're both top 20 receivers you know it feels like they could be a evans godwin situation you know with brady and how those guys were operating you know not necessarily the same way but uh something similar you know debo and iuk you know you can get two star receivers when your quarterback is playing the way that CJ Stroud's playing. So it's a good situation to be in the camp of both. And actually, I think I might rank Nico ahead of Tank Del Sto.

There's more big play potential. When I did my rankings last week, I had Del 12th. Del 10th and Nico 12th with Olave in the middle. So, I don't like, do you guys have Cooper Cup over them? No, I would take both Texas guys over them. I think I would too.

I haven't ranked that far yet, but just seems to make sense that way. I'm curious who's in your top 12 ahead of them. Because I found it very hard once you got past like seven guys in the top 12. I mean, I still have Diggs ahead of them, Puka, and then Del, Lave, Nico. But I just couldn't really figure out who else to put there. You didn't consider the 49ers receivers over them.

I did have Debo there. But in PPR, they're just not high catch guys. But yeah, that's totally valid. You could put one or both of them in there. But in PPR, like they're just not high catch guys, but yeah, that's totally valid. You could put one or both of them in there. You, you know, you could put, I guess you could put Devante Smith in there. It's certainly reasonable. I didn't say Devante Smith. No, I'm just thinking out loud that, but Jalen Waddle, I don't have in there, but I think that's perfectly reasonable too. It's tough. You know, it's some good, good debates to be had.

Sure. I think the one thing that people will think about is could there be some regression in Houston, in CJ Stroud second season, we've seen it time and again, where a quarterback has a hot start to his career. And then all the other teams in the division and all their other opponents have a full off season, the game plan.

And so does CJ Stroud have a good counterpunch? Can he do something to overcome what he did as a rookie? Because defenses are going to have a way. You don't think the Titans are going to come up with something to try and battle C.J. Stroud? I don't. Well, I mean, the Jaguars probably will not. I think they're going to try, but I think Stroud's awesome.

And the improv plays that he makes are incredible. I think the, the, the thing that you look at from what he was able to accomplish very minimal interceptions. So, you know, he's one of those guys that could make plays without necessarily having to maybe take chances, you know, that are, that are not unnecessary. So, you know, that goes two ways, you know, is he being a little too conservative or does he get

a little bit more you know gunslinger mentality in him uh the other part of it is he did it with such a makeshift offensive line i mean he he didn't even know the names of his offensive linemen in the first five or six weeks of the season and you know that that unit certainly got better as the year went on but you know hopefully that's what they do to build around him is to get a little bit better protection and then do they add somebody but you know, hopefully that's what they do to build around him is to get a little bit better protection. And then do they add somebody else, you know, cause obviously Robert Woods is at the end of his career. Um, Noah Brown, is he the answer as the third guy? Do they have some concerns about tank? They'll staying healthy because he missed, you know, beginning part of the season. And then clearly the end of the year. So is there another receiver brought in that can really throw

a wrench into both of those guys? Plus the run game, you know what I mean? Look, I don't think they expect to be to be their bell cow based on how the offseason unfolded. And so do they add another piece there, you know, to address their backfield? So there are a lot of things to the player, but I think, as Adam said, CJ Stroud's awesome. And you don't necessarily have to worry about

what defenses do to necessarily take him down a peg. Dave's 100% right. There's obviously going to be ways to try and rattle him and make him uncomfortable. But you know, when, when you're good,

you're good. And if you're, if you're as good as he looked, he should be able to overcome that. And I'm, I'm buying into him. You can look at my quarterback rankings. He's going to be in my top 10.

He's not going to be in my top five, but I think he's a great quarterback. And the other telltale sign that worked for me was that he was good when tank Dell was on he was good when tank Dell was on the field or when tank Dell was off the field or any other situation that you can come up with really the games where he struggled, it was weather an issue. Did he leave early?

That might've been the same game because it was the jets game. Like he'd been consistently good all year, despite whatever situations had been in front of him. And he was beating the blitz. And when you can do that, especially at a young age, that's a really good sign. Well,

he was, he was better at home. I think the biggest thing though, is do they keep Bobby's look, you know, as long as he's there, then there's a lot to love. Do you think he gets tired?

Is it, did he do? He's definitely going to be in the, in the interview cycle. I don't know how it would be based on how everything unfolded, but he feels like what same thing happened in Ben Johnson, you know, not,

not ready for it. Right. And so, you know, I think now, you know, some, not ready for it. Right. And so, you know, I think now, you know, some of these offense coordinators that are young, they probably got to go through another year of doing it again, but for Sloic, he certainly has come from the right tree.

And that, that would help CJ Stroud develop that counterpunch or really, it's not about Stroud developing. It's the Texans offense that has to develop that counterpunch. Sure. All right. Tight ends. Top five tight ends in week 18 were Ingram and PPR. Ingram, Kincaid, Sam Laporta, Will Disley, and Donald Parham, who, I mean, I think Gerald Everett's a free agent. So I wonder if Parham has maybe some sleeper appeal next year,

if he's back. He's pretty good when Everett's out. And Everett got hurt in week 18. So something to think about for next year if he's back he's pretty good when when everett's out and ever got hurt in week 18 so something to think about for next year yeah i mean you know see there's a lot a lot of things that play with the chargers but yeah it's not a bad call all right old is he let's get our uh our top 24s for 2024 we might have only time for top 12 screw it, screw it. We'll do top 24. Yeah, screw it. Who's number one? I'm only through my top 20 yet, so that's all I have.

It's hard. It gets tough. Well, here's... How many quarterbacks are in your top 24? None. None. Man, I'm so different.

I had two because I just felt like I got to a point in my top 24 where I started having doubts. I'm going to change one pick. Now I started having doubts about guys. Let me ask you this. I was like,

I'll just take it. This is something we're going to spend a lot of time talking about. If you see what happened this year, right. And we just talked about CJ Stroud and a little bit of Jordan love and Brock Purdy and Kyler Murray is going to be a value pick. And Tua Tungavailoa and all these guys. And I know you're probably going to say, well, this year might be an outlier based on the points from the high-end guys to the low-end guys.

Because that's kind of what we saw, that they all came back down to the group a little bit. And let's just say that the Tush Push stays. I'm going to guess your top two guys are Allen and Hurts. So the Tush Push stays and I'm going to guess your top two guys are Allen and Hurts. So the tush push stays and Stephon Diggs stays in Buffalo. So there's no real changes for those guys and what they can be. Why would you still draft those guys so early? Yeah, it's because I don't want to lose.

I don't want to waste the second round pick. So I get to the point in the second round where I'm thinking like Saquon Barkley. I think he's done enough to be a top 24 pick because I think wherever he goes, he's going to be pretty close to a workhorse. I don't think he'll stay with the Giants, but he's still good. But I just see more bust potential. It's almost like,

why would you take a running back in the first round of the NFL draft? And the answer is, yes, well, I know I can get good running backs on day two and three. They are some of the safest picks. They rarely are busts in the first round, whereas other positions are huge busts in the first round. You end up setting your franchise back.

So that's kind of what the point was in the second round where I was like, ugh. So I'm going to move Puka Nakua. I had Alan Hurts ahead of Puka, but I don't really see a reason for that. I'm going to move Puka Nakua ahead of them Allen Hurts ahead of Puka, but I don't really see a reason for that. I'm going to move Puka Nakua ahead of them. But Tank Dell coming off an injury. Chris Olave didn't quite

have the second year I was hoping for. I feel safer with Allen and Hurts, and I still feel like those guys, just because they scored 26 points per game this year or something like that, I still feel like they have 28 to 30 point potential. We saw it very, very recently. They could have better years and separate themselves

from the pack a little bit more. So that's my answer. No, they definitely can. It's January 8th. Things are going to change. Couldn't you see a situation, though, where Allen has a Mahomes-type season? Yeah.

If Diggs is gone, I won't. And I still like Diggs, by the way. But I don't think he's washed up, personally. But if Diggs is gone, I won and i still like digs by the way but i don't think he's washed up personally but if digs is gone i won't have josh allen in the second round and hurts unless somebody's significance there yeah yeah no i get it but at the same time it's like can you tell me that the other guys that you have ahead of him are safer than josh allen and jalen hurts that's the argument it's like i don't want a bust in the second round i don't want to take yeah but i i think if you if you're worried about bus potential,

you can make a bus case. We do all the time for every player, you know? And so the quarterbacks are clearly the least or the most bus proof, least, least bustable, you know? So there, there's, there's clearly a safety factor with any of these quarterbacks. And this was kind of the art. This was the argument for taking these guys in the first round last year. I mean, remember there, I think Chris was, was not alone, but he was, I think of, of, of the guys that have come on our show

saying you should take a quarterback earlier or potentially in the first round with Mahomes and Hurts and Allen, whatever order, because there's less bust potential and they're good for 28 to 30 points. And we saw there were flaws with all of them. You know, Allen sort of turned the season around a little bit toward the end.

Hurts really struggled toward the end. And Mahomes was a bust all season long. It's funny. If you look at what the rest of the quarterbacks did this year, if Allen and Hurts and Mahomes had been as good as they had been last year in 2022, they would have been worth those picks. I mean, it was a good year for quarterbacks in terms of there were a lot of good ones

that were start worthy that were not much worse than the elite guys. But that's partially because the elite guys were not nearly as good as they had been. Well, I mean, it's also, you know, you hear me say this a lot, the pockets of the season. The way Dak finished from week six on

yeah was an absolute monster he performed like those guys you know I mean how he was able to it was I just wrote this morning it was from week six on so 12 games he had one game under 20 fantasy points and seven over 26 like he was a he was just an absolute monster. Um, obviously Brock Purdy, what he did, uh, love the way they, you know,

one quarterback in the last six weeks of the fantasy season, 11 through 17, Jordan love. Yeah. And then, you know, this is such a, uh,

an outlier, but Joe Flacco and what he accomplished, you know, he finished points per game as the number one quarterback this year if you're going with at least a five-game minimum. So it's kind of remarkable how some of these guys ended up performing. And in terms of Dak, this is just our ADP. Dak was the 12th quarterback.

Purdy was the 21st quarterback. Love was the 22nd quarterback. And CJ Stroud had no ADP. And those were all guys that finished in the top eight in terms of points per game. So to me, it's like we're right back where we were. Why would you draft a guy early? Well, I mean, look, I agree with you.

I feel like I ranked it that way, but I wouldn't really want to take a quarterback in the second round. But I'm having a hard time as of now figuring out the best players in the second round. Because I don't see a ton of standouts. I don't see a ton of like true absolute stars at receiver and and running back. And I don't have a tight end in my top 24 right now, which is crazy. Me neither.

And so I think that's the pivot that you make, though, is when you run out of players that you feel really good about taking to start your draft, that's where you start to fill in the quarterbacks as the next best available option. And for me, that's not going to be in the top 24, but for you it is. For Chris Towers towers it might be 12th again i don't know but that's that's generally what you do in your drafts is when you're tired of when you when you don't feel good about anybody that's left at the other skill

positions you pivot to quarterback well it's also you know and and i don't want to necessarily just attach a lot of different players to this because i don't know everybody's top 24 but you know maybe it's instead of instead of pivoting to quarterback, you know, and we're going to find out what the rookies and certainly free agency, but is it pivoting to just, you know, young player? That's a little bit outside the top 24. If you're looking at somebody else's rankings or maybe just pushing some younger guys up, like where's Marvin Harrison going, you know, and, and is he going to be a top 24 caliber player or top 36? OK, instead of taking a chance on, let's say, Cooper Cup or Devante Adams or somebody that's a little older that that still may have some value. Stefan Diggs, for example, pivot to the younger player that has the most upside because you're trying to win your league.

You're not trying just to make the playoffs. I got to I really think I messed up. I think I need to put Devante Adams in my top 12. Did you guys have him as a top 12 receiver? Top 12 receiver, not overall. No? No. All right.

All right. Then I won't. He's still pretty damn good, though. Okay. Well, you know, obviously I respect your opinion. Okay. The last thing I would say when you're looking at your top 24. Because he's going to be the second guy in New York behind Garrett Wilson.

Right. Oh, man. I thought you were going to say, like, behind Wand. Right. Oh, man. I thought you were going to say like behind Wanda Robinson. But no, if you also... Back on to that dumpster fire. If you look at the running backs from last year, there's just...

You shouldn't take any of them in the first year. The number one running back was McCaffrey, followed by Brees Hall, ETN, Rashad White, Raheem Moster, Joe Mixon, Kyron Williams.

There's your top seven. All right, moving on, moving on. All right, how do you want to do? Let's do our top 12. Let's just do our top. I don't think we have time for a top 24. Dave, unveil. 1-12 or 12-1?

1-12. Let's take the 28-year-old running back at 101, Christian McCaffrey. Just too good. I can't get away from him. If I have the first pick as of now, love that he's in San Francisco, love that he's now played two straight years without significant injury. I would trust him with the first pick. I have Brees Hall second and ahead of all the other receivers, because I don't think there's going to be a lot left at running back that I'm going to love when I'm up at the end of round two.

So because I'm picking at the ends, I'll wait to get those receivers then. So McCaffrey, Hall, those are my first two. Then I go on a receiver run. CeeDee Lamb is my top receiver as of now. Tyreek Hill's after him. Justin Jefferson's after him. Once we know that Kirk Cousins is back in Minnesota and that he's A-OK, probably going to put Jefferson ahead of Tyreek Hill. At least that's my top five McCaffrey hall lamb, Tyreek JJ six is a Monroe St.

Brown. Seventh is a Monroe St. Brown's teammate, Jameer Gibbs. I've got Kyron Williams at eight. I can't believe I have him that high. It makes me nervous to have him that high because there's a chance that he's a one-year wonder, but what a wonder he was.

And he's still very young and he's on the right offense to be in. Nine is Bijan. Ten is Jamar Chase. I would not lose faith in him, especially if Joe Burrow comes back and he's fine. That's a combination that I want to bank on. I have A.J. Brown currently at 11th. I don't think I can keep it that way, so let's throw him out.

That would mean that my 11th pick is Devon A. Chan and my 12th pick is Jonathan Taylor. A lot of running backs going in the first round. It's something I'm trying to break the habit of, but I think that those guys are going to be very popular because the position is going to be top heavy and thin. Will you do me a favor and just repeat the names somewhat slowly. CMC, Brees, CD,

Tyreek, Jefferson, Amon Ra, Jameer Gibbs, Kyron, Bijan, Jamar, A-Chan,

Jonathan Taylor. Okay, now do their full names. No, I'm just kidding. All right, Jamie. Go ahead, Jamie, with your top 12. Sure. McCaffrey is one. I lost it for a second.

Oh, I thought you were just going slow. McCaffrey is one. Then it's three receivers for me. I still have Tyreek at the top. So Tyreek is two. CeeDee Lamb is three. Justin Jefferson is four. Brees Hall is five.

I have Bijan at six because I do think that the new coach will feature him, and he will be the third best running back this upcoming season, if not finish higher than that. Jamar Chase is seven. A.J. Brown is eight. Amara St. Brown is nine. Jameer Gibbs is 10. Jonathan Taylor is 11.

And Kyron Williams is 12. All right. Okay, good stuff. Thank you, guys. Do you have a top 12? Yeah, I don't really want to give it. Come on. How many quarterbacks are in there?

None. I just... You're making me really second guess by 101, which is Justin Jefferson. Well, no. I think that's... I think you should explain why he's your 101. Yeah, I mean, I just think they're going to have a better quarterback.

You'll have either cousins or something better than what they had down the stretch and i mean look what he did with nick mullins this past week he's just so good and he's in his prime you know tyree kill has not shown any signs of slowing down so i could totally see that but he is significantly older uh i think you could make the case certainly for a number of guys lamb you know this was a little bit out of nowhere this was much better than anything we'd seen before i mean he's where is he for me he's wide receiver oh yeah he's much much lower for me than he is he's ninth overall and he's wide receiver four for me so do you have adam hill jefferson and chase hill chase chase i'm not penalizing chase for this

season like burrow was basically never healthy if you don't think you should, and I think that's a mistake if you do. So I go Chase, McCaffrey, Tyreek Hill, Brees Hall, B. John Robinson. I'm sorry. I go Jefferson, McCaffrey, Tyreek Hill, Brees Hall, B. John Robinson, Jamar Chase,

6, Jefferson 1, Chase 6, Taylor 7, Jameer Gibbs 8, CeeDee Lamb 9, Amon, Jameer Gibbs, eight CD lamb, nine, a Monro St. Brown, 10, AJ Brown,

11, Garrett Wilson, 12. And then if you're curious, Kyron Williams is 13. Can I give you the stat on why CD lamb was first for me? Yeah. Yeah.

After their buy. So clearly they went into their buy and said, we need to give CD a lot of work. He averaged 27.8 PPR points per game through week 17. Doesn't even include week 18. 12.6 targets per game. Doesn't include week 18. So if they're winning, and this is how they're winning, and they're succeeding because they're targeting Lamb a ton,

I can expect him to outperform potentially everybody. Oh, I think it's a very fun debate of the top four receivers. Because with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase should be awesome. And you know they have kind of a redemption tour coming because of how everything unfolded this season. Jefferson, to me, is a little bit of a wild card just because of the quarterback situation. Because it might not be Cousins. It might be a rookie. It's true.

And you said it, Adam. He was great with, with Nick Mullins. And I think he has the ability to be great with anybody. He's just that type of player. So, uh, it's, it's one of those things. And Dave kind of alluded to this with, you know, taking Brees all second is, you know, if you, if you have the opportunity to pick your draft spot, do you want to be in that three through five range to, if, if you're going receiver, you know,

if you want to avoid, because we've seen the number one pick get injured and, and potentially be a bust the last couple of seasons to avoid that curse. If there is one to avoid having the decision of, you know, Brees hall versus the receiver field. So let somebody else make that decision for you. And then you just say,

okay, I want to take the best of what's left at wide receiver while still getting the earliest pick in the second round, which is clearly the advantage to that. So if you want to say, okay, I want to pick fifth or sixth, and I'll be perfectly fine with, oh, okay, Tyreek's too old. I'll take him. Fine. That's perfect. Jefferson's got a bad quarterback.

Okay, I think he'll still be great. Perfect. Jamar Chase, he's probably going to be the lowest ranked of that four. In a down season, he averaged be great. Perfect. Jamar Chase, he might be, he's probably going to be the lowest ranked of that four. There's, you know, in a down season, he averaged 17 points per game, you know, so just shows you how great he is. So there's still just a lot to love about all four of those guys. Let's take a break.

And when we come back, we're going to tell you who our nominees are for the Fantasy Football Superlatives. The MVP, the biggest bust, the best waiver wire ad, and the comeback player of the year. And you can go to our Facebook page and vote. And we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today.

We are talking fantasy superlatives. So who did we nominate for MVP, biggest bust, non-injury related, and best waiver wire ad, and comeback player of the year? Four categories. We need to get a final four for each of them. We're going to talk that out on the show right now. Okay, so guys, give me your MVP candidates. Kyron Williams.

Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams and Williams comma Kyron. Alright, I'm going to make a good case against Kyron Williams as the MVP, but who are some other names? It can't just be who scored the most points. Obviously, draft value has to be taken into account here, but who are some other names, Dave, that we should be putting as a finalist? kind of warrants it just because he had himself an amazing year and really delivered slash over delivered as the first running back off the board. I can't say he was the one-on-one where he most,

or it was right there with Kyron Williams scored more touchdowns than Kyron Williams at one point during the season, I think overall for the season. And then some other names that could make it Rashad white, Mike Evans, Puka. You could put him in there. Maybe you look to the quarterbacks and you can make a case for Dak in there. I kind of agree. The guy that knocked

Cam Akers off the Rams roster is the MVP. Well, how about the tight end who scored the most fantasy points among tight ends this year? Sam Laporta. That's an amazing draft pick. And I think I might vote for Christian McCaffrey because he played every game in the fantasy season,

whereas Kyron, this is the only case. He scored three more points per game than Kyron Williams, but he didn't miss the four games. So I think, to me, it's between McCaffrey and Kyron. Jamie, you were very obviously intent on it being Kyron Williams. But what do you think about that argument? McCaffrey averaged 3.3 more PPR fantasy points per game than Kyron. He averaged more than Lamb.

He averaged more than Tyreek Hills. Best non-quarterback in fantasy. And he didn't miss a game. Kyron missed four. No, look, you know, I think, always approach this. I always approach this as draft value. And Kyron was either one of your last picks or one of the best waiver wire picks.

And it's hard to penalize McCaffrey for doing everything that we expect him to do, and then some. So he was a superstar. He was durable. I mean, I guess if you're going to slightly knock him, his leaving the game early in the championship round, you know,

you can certainly make that case, but he still gave you a solid performance in that game. I think he had over a hundred total yards before he left. It was his worst game of the year. 13.1 PPR points in week 17. Um, while Williams was maybe his best game of the season with the 30 point game. Um,

but in any event, yeah, it's hard to knock McCaffrey. I think, I think that the top three candidates's hard to knock McCaffrey. I think the top three candidates for me would be McCaffrey, Williams, and I would put Dak Prescott third. I think

just knowing what he did throughout the course of the second half of the season, again, taking into draft value, he was the 12th quarterback selected, and to perform the way that he did and to elevate C.D. Lamb the way that he did and to elevate CD lamb the way that he did.

I think that also factors into it too. Okay. So if we go with a final four, certainly McCaffrey, certainly Kyron Williams, Dave, who would you want Dak on there too? I think Dak deserves it.

All right. So the last spot, I'd say it's either Puka, Evans, lamb. Yeah. Lamb is certainly up there. I would, I want a lamb was drafted as a first round pick. And he, he, he, Evans, Lamb. Yeah, Lamb is certainly up there. Lamb was drafted as a first-round pick,

and again, not to penalize him for the way he performed, but he was expected to be an elite receiver, and he played like one. I think Laporta really deserves to be the number one tight end in fantasy. He was number one in total points. Yeah, he was number three per game.

PPR points per game. Alright, so who's our last one? Dax? Puka. Puka? Okay. Why not Mostert? Because Mostert didn't play in the fantasy playoff. Yeah, I'm missing week 17, I think. And 16.

Okay. He didn't miss week 16, did he? Oh, that's the game he left early, right? That was the... He left early in 16, missed 17, missed 18. Okay. So he helped you get there, and then he might have been the reason

why you didn't make it all the way. McCaffrey, Kyron, Dak, Puka. Biggest bust non-injury related. There's three for me, and it's not close. It's Mahomes, Pollard, and Bichon. I had those three. I also had Diggs. He finished so poorly. So I also had Diggs.

He finished so poorly. So, you can say Diggs. And this is a tough one because he still finished in however metric you want to look at it, total points or points per game, top three or top two. But Kelsey. Yeah. Right. He was good for a time. I mean, the thing about Mahomes and Kelsey is they were so bad when it mattered most.

And Diggs, too. most and digs too. Um, and, and Pollard too. Pollard scored a combined 18.9 PPR fantasy points in weeks, 15 through 17 in your fantasy playoffs. He had fewer than eight points in every game. I think he's the biggest bus.

Yeah, I think he is too. So Pollard, Bijan, my homes, we're good with that three. Who's our fourth? I would say Kelsey for. So Pollard, Bijan, Mahomes. We good with that three? Who's our fourth? I would say Kelsey fourth.

Which sounds crazy, but you've got to consider where he was drafted and what the expectations were. Was he a bigger bust than Diggs though? Because Kelsey was like the number two tight end per game or something. No, I think Diggs was 15th per game. Diggs probably wound up being a bigger bust than Kelsey. But they were both along the same lines. They both went totally flaccid

the end of the season. Alright, so that's two votes for Diggs, so he'll be our fourth. Best waiver wire ad. Well, it's going to end up being one of the Rams. Yeah. Kyron Puka. I have Jordan Love who was... I would put Stroud over Love if we're going based on

ADP because Stroud had no ADP. Yeah, but both were picked up off the waiver wire and Love was better than Stroud over Love if we're going based on ADP because Stroud had no ADP. Yeah, but both were picked up off the waiver wire, and Love was better than Stroud. Yeah, and he came through. Like I said, he was the number one quarterback in fantasy in the last six weeks of the fantasy season. Yep. And just like Stroud,

the guys that he was throwing to changed almost every week. Yeah, I would say the two Ram guys, and then he continued to crush. So would you put both quarterbacks on? Because I think you could do Tank Dell. He was throwing two changed almost every week. Yeah, I would say it's the two Rams guys, and then you can continue to crush. So would you put both quarterbacks on? Because I think you could do Tank Dell. You could do A-Chan. A-Chan was good, but you had to go so long without him.

I think if you also want to put a third quarterback in, they're Purdy. Oh, that's a great, great call. Love finished one-tenth of a third quarterback in there, Purdy. Oh, that's a great, great call. Love finished one-tenth of a point per game higher than Purdy. I would say the two Rams, Purdy and I almost have PPR. All right, we got to go with the two Rams and two quarterbacks. I mean, look, this is a game. We're trying to pick who's going to finish second place. So who's our second quarter?

So if we go Love, who's our last guy? Stroud or Purdy? Purdy. Purdy. Agreed. All right. And then comeback player of the year. Who do we have for this? Mostert.

Mostert is probably the best one. Or Dak. I would say Dak. Yeah, Dak bounced back in a massive way. All right. So Mostert. What did Mostert bounce back from, he wasn't good last year is that really a we're not we're doing we never had a year like this no okay but I think Brees Hall wait so we said Brees Hall right you just did we didn't say Brees

Hall yet he's gotta be sure he's the winner for. I put Mostert on there. I would put Dak on there. I put Cortland Sutton's name in there because he did bounce back, but he's not going to win. He's just somebody who stunk last year and he came back and he had a better year. If you want to talk about helping you in the playoffs, Kyler. Kyler's a great one.

I've got five names. I've got Brees Hall, Joe Flacco, Raheem Mostert, Kyler's a great one. Yeah. All right. So I've got five names. I got Brees Hall, Joe Flacco, Raheem Mostert, Kyler Murray, and I heard Cortland Sutton. Did I miss anyone? You don't have to put Sutton in there. Okay. For me, it would be Dak, Mostert. Dak, right.

Sorry. Brees and Flacco. Dak, Mostert. I mean, hell, Kyron was going to win this war too. He wasn't playing. Yeah. All right. I will see if anybody has anything in the chat.

No. Mike Evans. Oh, that's a good one. Mike Evans is a really good one. Mike Evans is a great one. Yep. Although he still averaged a pretty good number last year. I don't think Trey McBride is really a candidate for this one.

I see people saying Trey McBride. Yeah, I agree. 15 PPR points per game in 2022 for Evans. And then through week 17, he was at 17.3. Yeah, it's not really a big comeback. It's not. I agree with you. I agree with that from a PPR perspective.

That's better than Sutton. Okay, so Hall, Flacco, and Mostert for sure. Who's our fourth? Prescott, Kyler? I think Dak bounced back. Okay. Okay. These will be up on Facebook.

Tua? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the concussions last year didn't play very much. Played 17 games. And what exactly is Dak bouncing back from? Sorry. He was miserable last season. Okay.

It doesn't matter. Brees Hall should, this should be the Brees Hall Comeback Player of the Year award. Right? I mean, I think Flacco's going to get a lot of votes, but Hall is going to win. Okay.

Thank you guys. I love superlatives. They're very fun. Ezekiel Elliott. That's a good one. Come back player of the year. When's our first mock? Uh,

answer your email. Tuesday, right? No, Wednesday. Not Tuesday. Oh, it got moved to Tuesday. Right. Okay. I'm in. When are right? No, Wednesday. Not Tuesday. Oh, it got moved to Tuesday, right. Okay.

I'm in. When are we going to have our first fan mock? Oh, that's a great question. We have like 12 people listening. No, we don't. We have more than you think. I bet we have more listeners. All right, everybody who's listening, you're in the mock draft.

I bet we have more listeners this week than last week. That's my guess. All right, everybody. Is James Conner a comeback candidate? Yeah. What did he average last season? He was great last season. He was good. And really, he only stepped up and he got hurt this year.

He actually averaged more PPR points per game last year than through 17 games this year. So, no. He's actually gone down each of the last three years. Debo. Does Debo get on there? Yep. He had four more PPR points

per game this year than last year. Not including Week 18. Jerry Judy. Week 18 redemption. Just in time to help us. I guess I'm going to leave Debo off for Dak. But Brees Hall should win. Vote for Brees Hall. We'll talk to you later, everyone.

Sorry, I don't mean to be influential or anything. We'll talk to you on Wednesday on Fantasy Football Today. So influential. Everybody was going to eat that ham sandwich one stress.