Fantasy Football Today - Consensus PPR #19-24: Drake London or Tee Higgins? Josh Jacobs or Jonathan Taylor? (06/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Before we get into #19-24 in the consensus PPR rankings, Heath wants to talk about Brock Bowers (2:10)! He doesn't understand why we're not higher on Bowers and he makes a compelling case. Then we take a look at a couple of Twitter polls: Drake London vs. Tee Higgins (9:50); Chase Brown vs. Josh Jacobs vs. Jonathan Taylor (16:30) ... Quick news and notes (21:00) and then we talk more about London (22:15). We're not as high on London as the Fantasy community is, so what are we missing? Then we debate those three RBs again (28:40) with cases for and against Brown, Jacobs and Taylor ... We talk about Higgins (42:00) and Trey McBride (45:05). Why is McBride so much lower than Bowers in Heath's rankings? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Happy Thursday everyone. I don't yet get to wish you a happy Friday. We will be moving to five days a week. I'm guessing in the month of July, so not too far away from that. Welcome to the show. It is fantasy football today on Thursday, June 26th

at Amazer, Dan Schneier and Heath Cummings. So we've got players 19 through 24 in the PPR consensus rankings. They are Drake London, Chase Brown, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, T Higgins and Trey McBride. Drake London, Chase Brown, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, T Higgins, Trey McBride. We have a few Twitter polls to look at here

to see who our, my Twitter followers, I guess, prefer. But first we have a new segment called Heath has a question. Hello Heath. Hey, what's going on guys? Good to see you, good to talk to you. Super great mood that I'm in this morning after staying up until 11.30 to watch the Celtics draft a player I'd never heard of really in a good mood.

No, I, I just have a question about the Brock Bowers concerns because I'm the high guy on Brock Bowers. I think if it wasn't for me, Brock Bowers would be on today's show in the 19 to 24 range and Dave even has him lower than that. And I just don't really get it. I know Adam, you've expressed some concerns about Chip Kelly and his run heavy tendencies. But if you look back at the history of Chip Kelly, the Raiders threw 635 passes

last year, Chip Kelly, his first year as a coach had Michael Vick as his starter to open the season and then went to Nick Foles and they threw 508 passes. The next two years, 621 with Mark Sanchez and Nick Foles, 623 with Sam Bradford. And then the final year of his career, he had Colin Kaepernick and guess what? They didn't throw very many passes, but also all those numbers were 16 game seasons. So his 17 game pace as a head coach was 595 pass attempts for his teams. 40 passes fewer than what the Raiders threw last year. And almost maybe always, but at least three of those years, I would say worst quarterback than Geno Smith or a worst passer.

Yeah. Rock Bowers is a rookie tight end who we all thought was a generational prospect coming into the NFL who just had 153 targets gets an enormous, I would say, maybe it's just a small, but a certainly a quarterback upgrade in year two, no significant target competition added. And oh yeah, every one of those years in Chip Kelly's system that they averaged 595 passes, he had running backs with well over 300 rush attempts. So yeah, Ashton Gentry is going to have over 300 rush attempts. I have that in my projections. I don't know why we don't love Brock Bowers. Well, I think they're a little too low on

Brock Bowers, especially Dave. He's got him 26. Jamie has him 19. I don't think Jamie is too low on on Bowers. You've got Bowers 12th. Dave has him 26. Then McBride 25th. Jamie has McBride 18th and Bauer's 19th. So basically, you've got Bauer's at the 1-2 turn. Jamie's got him in the middle of round two. Dave has him early round three. I'm where Jamie is. I think that for me, it's like I want AJ Brown just before Brock Bowers, probably. And then once that picks off the board, which would be about 16th for me, I think the next 12 ish picks could go in any direction for me. And that is the two tight ends, the running backs we're going to talk about today.

Chase Brown, Jonathan Taylor, Kyron Williams, we talked about yesterday, Bucky Irving, James Cook, guys like T Higgins, Drake London, Lad McConkey, JSN. I don't really have a super strong preference for anyone in the middle of round two to the middle of round three. I think it's a huge tier. So I have no, and if you think that Brock Bowers deserves to go with the one-two turn, I think you've made a very, very compelling case.

I prefer McBride personally. But yeah, I think it's a good case, Heath. I think Heath might argue potentially both. I don't know, but possibly. I'll say this, when it comes to Bowers, it could be as I'm definitely closer to Heath on this one. And I haven't had a chance to weigh in on any of these PPR rankings till today, but it could just be as simple as generational talent, proving himself to be generational right away is something that you need to

chase in fantasy football. Because over time, when we've seen that app and Justin Jefferson players like that, they've maintained the status of being wide receiver one or tight end one. And there is still the upside when it comes to drafting Bowers over even a guy you mentioned, like AJ Brown, who's been tried and true at him, because he gives you such a positional advantage. If he does continue to play at the level he's played at having Bowers on a couple of teams last year, I noticed this.

Those teams were all my most successful teams because of the weekly advantage I got now that's what we're chasing always. That's why in the past Heath, I've seen you have Mark Andrews rank really high, higher than I wanted him in certain spots. And it's paid off at certain seasons and not in others. And that goes for tight end. That's how it goes. But if they can keep those targets to me, it just depends on like one thing.

Do the, are the Raiders smart enough to understand this guy is so good at football that our entire offense needs to evolve or revolve around him. Or is it going to be Chip Kelly's offense with these pieces that he has to work with? Because and I think Chip Kelly is smart enough to understand it, but because last year it was so obvious from start of training camp, from start of OTAs that they were designing an offense around Bowers. That was the entire offense. You could watch it when you watched the film.

Everything was to get him the football. And it worked and he had a million targets. Like you said, what was it? 150 plus targets for a rookie tight end is insane. It's unheard of, but will that happen again? Because there are all the other facts that you mentioned. I think Gino's an upgrade and hopefully he's the level of talent we believe him to be.

But to me, it just kind of comes down to that. Cause if the volume comes down, it's the same thing for Trey McBride. Like if they get Marvin Harrison, Jr. more involved is McBride's role the same. And is that going to, you know, impact his fantasy status? And I think there's more, both more upside for Bowers because he got a quarterback upgrade this year, McBride's playing with the same guy and more

risk for McBride because Marvin Harrison, Jr. is much more likely to take a bigger piece of the pie in my mind than Jacobi Myers and Trey Tucker and Jack Besh. But the other thing is like, we talk rightly a lot about touchdown regression for Trey McBride. Brock Bowers had a touchdown rate below 3% last year. He has enormous touchdown regression likely coming too. And it shouldn't surprise anybody if he scores 10 touchdowns a year.

Yeah. I just, you keep mentioning Chip Kelly, but you haven't mentioned Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll is a guy who likes to run the ball. Um, I think a little bit, as I said yesterday, that's a little bit overrated, but you know, I don't, I don't think they're going to be one of the most run heavy teams. But it's really you know, you talk about the day design the whole offense around Bowers. Well, are they going to design most of the offense around Gentie this year? He's obviously

a good pass catcher. I don't know. I mean, I see everything you're saying. I think I just want a little bit more provenness from a first round pick. But can I make one point I'm taking neighbors or Thomas in the first round? Yeah, go ahead. Sorry about that, Adam can I make one point on the neighbors or Thomas in the first round? Yeah, go ahead. Sorry about that, Adam. Can I make one point on the touchdown regression point? I'm not always on board with you on this, Keith. I think it is player dependent. I think it's much more likely we see the touchdown regression for a player like Brock Bowers who scored 31 touchdowns in his college career than McBride, who only scored 10 touchdowns

his whole college career. He's never been a touchdown score. I personally don't believe in his game in the red zone, his specific skillset being at the adept to scoring a lot of touchdowns. Bowers on the other hand, I do. If he's in open space, he can score touchdowns. He can get open, in my opinion, more easily in the red zone as well. Okay. And Heath, it's really criminal that you were not on either of the last two shows because your rankings affected the PPR consensus ranking so much with A-chan and Gentie and Bowers in particular. You're welcome.

Yeah, that's my job. Well, let's take a look at some Twitter polls here to look at the players that we are discussing today, players 19 through 24 in the consensus PPR rankings. So the first one's about the two wide receivers. Who do you prefer in PPR? Drake London or T Higgins? London is ahead of Higgins in this consensus rankings.

He's 19th. Higgins is 23rd. They are back to back for Heath at 19 and 20 with Higgins one spot ahead. I am stunned by this. Dan, you were the first one that on this show, I think definitively said, you definitely like T Higgins more than Drake London. Well, I don't know if you were the first one that on this show, I think definitively said, you know, you definitely like T Higgins more than Drake London.

Well, I don't know if you were the first, but you were the one who really stuck in my mind because you were very strong on this. I have totally come around to your side and to Heath's side as well. You have London one spot ahead. This is actually becoming an easy call for me. I am T Higgins as well.

The audience are my Twitter followers so far, 404 votes, 70% are going with Drake London. This is a landslide victory here. All right, real quick on this. I like Higgins because when Higgins, Burrow and Chase are healthy, Joe Burrow is almost a 5,000 yard passer in three of the last four years. I'm attaching myself to that offense and Higgins at his worst when he has been healthy is basically wide receiver 12 or 13 per game in the Joe Burrow era. So that's why I'm going Higgins. Why are you going Higgins

over London? Hey, there me. Oh, you Dan. So for me, it comes down to and I can't believe you just boiled down what you described to us on the thread as one hour and 45 minutes of research into like 13 seconds. That was some of the best Acer work we've seen. But Acer did put together a lot of good research on this. It really just comes down to the main point you said. I play fantasy a little bit differently than others. When it comes to London versus Higgins, London has higher upside.

I don't think there's any way to deny that. He has a better chance at more targets and a better chance of being a focal point than Higgins does with has higher upside. I don't think there's any way to deny that. He has a better chance at more targets and a better chance of being a focal point than Higgins does with Jamar chasing the mix. But I buy into offenses and fantasy football. I buy into the belief of what you said, the stats, the research that back up that with both on the field, Higgins and Chase,

Burrow is very likely to be a 5,000 yard passer or somewhere close. That's a lot of production and a lot of opportunities in the red zone. In fantasy, I think we fall into a lot of traps chasing players who are really good talents with a potential really good role like London. But maybe just maybe the passing offense isn't what we expect it to be and isn't what we're projecting it to be based on a very small sample size of Michael Penneck starts mostly

against the Giants crap defense without Dexter Lawrence and one other really bad defense that they've Washington and Carolina. I think it was Carolina's bad. It was bad defenses last year. And Washington was like an okay to bad defense that looked really bad in the playoffs against Philly. It was at best mediocre. So like Michael Pennick could easily, easily struggle this year.

He was a player who was drafted at eight overall. Not everyone thought he should go at eight overall. I haven't seen him under pressure. That was an issue for him at the college level in Michigan's defense got a chance to scheme against him. So we'll see, we'll see what happens there, but I'm going to take the sure fire thing. The offense, if Higgins stays healthy, he's going to produce.

That's what I want in my fantasy team. More of a safe bet. I don't, I know Adam, you said quicker. I'm gonna be somewhat quicker, but I have a confession when I was in middle school, I had an addiction to those Hostess, like mini pies. Yeah. Absolutely loved those.

Which ones, like the black and white ones? Yeah, which one? Like the cherry and the apple. Oh, the fruit pies. Yes, the fruit pies, just deep fried with nothing but fruit and the syrup and all the stuff inside of it. I'd probably still eat one now, but anyway, the whole point being like I very easy to eat a whole one of those. Yeah.

But if you gave me the choice between a whole one of those or 40% of my grandma's big apple pie, I'd much rather have 40% of my grandma's big apple pie. And that's the T Higgins versus Drake London debate. Yes. Drake London is going to dominate targets for the Falcons. He gets all of the pie. Okay. But it's this little pie. That's kind of cheap and a little bit flimsy and probably bad for you. And grandma's apple pie is great. Real apples, robust, handmade Joe Burrow, I love that. Five thousand yards.

It's a good one to get around to that, but I like that. That's what you want. And I see in the chat, like no way T Higgins is getting Drake London numbers. T Higgins outscored Drake London by two fantasy points per game last year. Right. Yeah, it was his best year. He was fifth per game. I think it was Drake London's best year. It was Drake London's best year. But, but one of the, you know, we'll get into that later. We're going to talk about all these guys in depth. I want to give you, there's two things that really changed for Higgins last year. In my mind, two things that stand out. One of them stands out in a major, major way.

And I don't know if it's repeatable, but all right, we're gonna take a break. I will say that I went to a different diner last night, than not the Mount Kisco diner. And did not, no, did not know, this is where I go when I wanna save 30 bucks. Did not know that they have a promotion where every Wednesday you get a free piece of cake

for everyone at the table. Like a big piece of cake for dessert. Pretty cool. Yeah, it was a nice little surprise. Did you eat it though? You're like, you're a big health guy. We got two for four people and I picked it at both of them. Okay, good.

All right. Good. All right, we'll be right back after this with the other Twitter poll and then we'll break down the players We got two for four people and I picked it at both of them. Okay, good. All right. Good. I will be right back after this with the other Twitter poll and then we'll break down the players a little bit more in depth and we have a couple of news items to talk about. We'll be right back on FFT. No frills delivers. Get groceries delivered to your door from no frills with PC express.

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I made a promise. I would never stop looking. In Tracker, all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning CBS fall. We've got three running backs in this range, in range 19 through 24, back half of the second round in a 12-team PPR league. Let's see who the Twitter followers like.

Is it gonna be Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs, or Chase Brown? It's pretty close, 381 votes. Jonathan Taylor, 42%, Josh Jacobs, 33%, and Chase Brown, 26%. I know that doesn't add up. I rounded it up for all three of them. But Jonathan Taylor is the leader right now. Chase Brown in third, Josh Jacobs in second. In the consensus

rankings we have it. Brown, Jacobs, Taylor, the, the exact opposite of this in Heath's rankings. It's Taylor Brown, Jacobs, Taylor 18th for Heath, Brown 22nd and Jacobs 24. Dan, who do you like best? I think I like Chase Brown the best, but he is the riskiest I'd say by far, not even close to the riskiest. Who do you like best, Dan? It's funny because I saw this and saw a rundown. I looked back through my teams last year that I drafted.

Chase Brown was my most rostered player. Like I drafted him the most and I think he'll probably be someone I don't draft almost at all this year at his price. And I think that just is kind of the difference of buying him before the breakout and buying him after the breakout. Can he sustain the breakout? There's nothing about his profile that tells me he can't sustain the breakout. Other than the fact that with the exception of one year at Illinois, he was

never really a true workhorse back. I also just don't think that was the plan for the Bengals to make him that. And I don't think that they are going in a direction where they will, where that's how it's going to start this year. I think Taj Brooks is a really good player who had really good tape and has already looked really good at OTAs and the Bengals have a history of kind of speeding these guys up. So I think he'll play a role.

I think they might sign someone. I really honestly do before camp. There's a few veterans that I have an eye on there. So he's probably lowest on my list to me. The clear cut number one here is Josh Jacobs. I'm a little bit like confused as to why people aren't higher on Jacobs this year. Considering green. I mean, the idea I guess was in the past, Matt LaFleur, he never has one workhorse back,

blah, blah, blah. That was the case last year. You could say there were injuries that impacted why he was able to get that role. I don't know if it was that. I think it was Josh Jacobs was signed to a big contract because he can play all three downs and he can do everything that they're asking

out of a running back position. And so there's no real reason to take him off the field. I'm not sure he ever felt that way about Aaron Jones or AJ Dillon in the past, but I'm sure he feels that way about Jacobs. I think he has a really good chance to score a lot of touchdowns this year. That was proven over the stretch run. He was effective in the red zone. There's a chance that you could see his entire production go up at Jordan Love takes the step forward. We expect him to take last year in a healthier year with Matthew Golden and some weapons at wide receiver and in, you know, a solid

fine offensive line there. To me, Jacobs is on the best offense of the second best offense, but second best offense, a very good offense with a very clear role and a lot of red zone opportunity here. And to me, the likeliest to keep his workhorse role, but also not being an offense with Daniel Jones. All right, Heath, I'm going to let you talk more about these guys later. Um, I want to ask you, I want to ask you this question though. to let you talk more about these guys later. I want to ask you, I want to ask you this question though. If you had a pick between 19 and 24 second half of the second round,

do you find yourself assuming Brock Bowers is off the board, because I know that would be your pick and he'd be available, you know, in some some cases, you find yourself going running back wide receiver or McBride here more frequently? Like, you know, what position do you like? Is there one particular player that you're just infatuated with if he falls you in this range? Uh, what do you think? What's happened more recently is that I draft Kyron Williams, who I think must have been on yesterday's show because he's 18. Yeah, he's falling a lot. Um, but generally speaking, I'm, I'm looking at Jonathan Taylor here.

I just think he's the best player and I think he's going to have 20 plus rush attempts per game and average close to four and a half yards a game and probably score 15 touchdowns. I think, you know, one thing with that context is missing here is also looking at average draft position and who you can even get in the third round. So Chase Brown, for example, I'm looking at CBS ADP. He's 28th. I'm looking at fantasy pros ADP. He's 28th, 29th.

So that's really important that we have chase Brown in our top 20. I think he's 20th. Yeah, I have him 22nd. Either way, right? I mean, so consensus, he's 20th. This is a guy who's going in the third round. So I hope that stays. That would be a terrific third round pick in our opinion.

Chase Brown. Okay, just a couple of news items. Oh, first of all, should be watching CBS Sports HQ. It's awesome. You can see some podcasts on there, but CBS Sports HQ, we see some podcast content on there in terms of, you know, all of us will be on that show, will be on that network, but you've got NBA draft coverage.

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Okay, news and notes. Dallas Goddard talked about the new offensive coordinator for Philadelphia, Kevin Pizzullo, and how he might get Goddard talked about the new offensive coordinator for Philadelphia, Kevin Pizzullo, and how he might get Goddard more targets. And it just seems so obvious that they are going to throw the ball more. Is that fair to say? I mean, unless things go wrong the first four weeks, and then they'll just go back to what they've done. That's true. And Cameron Wolf of ESPN says Joe Flacco is the favorite to be the Cleveland starting quarterback, but that Kenny Pickett will have an opportunity in training camp.

Yes, you know what? Yeah, give Kenny Pickett all the opportunities you want to. If that's the competition, then I'm feeling better about Joe Flacco. Yeah, yesterday Deontay Johnson was talking about how Kenny Pickett might be the leader there, but we'll see how it plays out. And that's all the news and notes I have for you. So let's go to these players here. Number 19 in the consensus rankings is Drake London.

Is there anything you'd like to add about Drake London? Obviously if 70% of the people who responded to the Twitter poll have him ahead of Higgins. He's 15th in Fantasy Pros ADP. Higgins is 23rd. Higgins is 31st in CBS ADP and London is 19th. Heath, what are we missing here with Drake London? Well, I got accused of a little inconsistency in the chat

because I talk about how important targets are. And that's right. Drake London is gonna have more targets than T Higgins. I think they, maybe there's a little inconsistency in the industry because I often hear, why do we care about week 18? It doesn't even count for fantasy football. Teams aren't playing half their starters. And Drake London, I don't think would be top 15 in anybody's ADP.

If he hadn't caught 10 passes for 187 yards and two touchdowns in week 18 against the Panthers. Oh yeah, by the way, that was also an overtime game. Um, I, I just, I think that's the big point of contention is how much do you want to put on those last two games, which were both overtime games against the commanders and the Panthers when Drake London was maybe the best wide receiver in fantasy football. I think he's, he's a good borderline number one wide receiver.

I'm one spot behind where we have him ranked. We have him ranked 19th and he also, I think the other knock on that game against Carolina is that Darnell Mooney didn't play now. Is that really a huge reason why Darnell Mooney didn't play. Now is that really a huge reason why Darnell Mooney had a huge impact last year? Yeah, I like Mooney a lot for fantasy. Yeah, it might be I mean, look, he had 18 targets in that game. So Drake London with no money. So I would just caution people

because when I was doing this Joe burrow research, there was a year for Joe burrow where he scored about 70 fantasy points in the last two games of the season. And it really boosted his stats. And he's just shown that he's just that good, you know? It's right. So I'm not really in the week 18 doesn't matter camp unless a guy did it against backups. Well, how many of the Panthers starting defenders in week 18 last year are going to be backups

this year? Or free agents? But well, no, but you know what I mean? They didn't do against second stringers, but you know, it counts, right? I mean, he did it. We like Drake London. We're not. Yeah.

Yeah. We like Drake. One thing I want to add to the pro case for London, because I do see it. And I do see the upside of drafting him here is if you look at the pace of play that Atlanta had specifically after turning the offense over to Michael Pennex, that's a big plus. Like they played with good pace. And that's what I always look for it.

And when I'm, when I'm kind of targeting, which offense has a chance to break out. It just kind of depends on to me, at least it kind of depends on if you believe in Penics or not. I am a little bit more skeptical than others when it comes to Penics over the course of a full season. And if we get that regression from him as a quarterback, the whole offense is gonna take a hit and I don't wanna be investing this type of capital if that's the case.

I also wanna take back my snide comment about the overtime games because the Falcons never got the ball in overtime if you're either one of those. By the way, I was, I was off on the Joe burrow number. I said 70 fantasy points in the last two games of the season was actually 87 fantasy points in the last two games of the 2021 season for Joe burrow. He lit up Baltimore in Kansas city. And that was, uh, yeah, that was, geez, man, 525 yards, four touchdowns, 446 yards, four touchdowns. So, okay, anywho, that's Drake London, solid player. What's his upside?

Does anybody, he was the number, he was the number four wide receiver overall last year, but he was actually 14th per game in half PPR, in non PPR and no, 16th per game in non PPR, 14th per game in half PPR and in non PPR and snow 16 per game and non PPR 14th per game in full PPR. Does anyone think he has, um, top like eight upside? Yeah, I do actually again, like if the pace of the offense keeps up, if panic is as good as he looked in that small sample size against bad defenses and he could be, I mean, he's, I always liked his arm talent. I thought he ripped the ball.

I thought he put it, you know, into deep intermediate areas of the field. I just felt like it was a little bit college offensive. And I want to see if it works. The NFL, it worked a little bit last year in a small sample, but if he is as good as he could be panics, it could be a situation where, like you, I see in your notes, Adam, he was on 160 target pace. London, if he's on 160, 170 target pace with all those red zone targets that he was getting with a high paced offense and panics is fricking awesome.

That is the chance to be a top five overall fantasy receiver. And that's why I think you can take him here over a guy like Higgins or anyone else you're considering in this range. Cause he has that upside that maybe others don't have. It just comes down to the argument Heath made about grandma's pie. If it's not as good as grandma's homemade pie and it's that, you know, store bought hostess though, you know, some people would say that is good too. Um, then what are we getting out of this?

We're getting a guy whose offense is kind of churning out 200 passing yards a game. And that's my concern. Like, will this be that type of offense? Top five upside, yes, I agree. Top five upside, okay. Yeah, I mean, it's probably gonna have to be in catches because he hasn't really necessarily shown it with yards because I've mentioned this all the time, but London,

he's not, does nothing after the catch. PPR we're talking about. Yeah, but still like yards matter. All right, That's, that's enough on London. I'm trying to look up this one stat to compare them to T Higgins. But one of the biggest differences between the two of them was the Falcons versus the Bengals tendencies in the green zone inside the 10 yard line,

where the the Bengals were the most or the second most pass heavy team in that range and the Falcons were pretty low there. Alright, so then we have Chase Brown and Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor. So we can talk about these three running backs here. And again we're hopeful that Chase Brown stays with a round 380 P so you can maybe get two of these guys. Heath's favorite guy is Taylor. Dan's favorite guy is Jacobs.

And I think my favorite guy is Brown, but I recognize that Taylor and Jacobs are safer. I mean, there were courses. They're not being replaced by anyone. They're really good. And Chase Brown, I don't, I don't know how great he is as a rusher. I think he's really good as a receiver. As a rusher, I think he's okay, but I don't really know. But my argument for Chase Brown is that, Joe Mixon was kind of a average rusher every year

for the Bengals and every year he was top 12 guy per game and last year chase brown who I think is a better receiver than mixin After the Zack Moss injury chase Brown was the number three running back per game in PPR number five and half PPR He was on pace for almost two thousand total yards one thousand nine hundred and seventy six total yards He barely came off the field. I think their backfield stinks. I don't really care about Taj Boyd I know you you do I think Zack backfield stinks. I don't really care about Taj Boyd. I know you do. I think Zach Moss had his chance and he's still there. I don't think he did anything.

He may not be the third down back this year, but he'll still catch passes. So again, it's attaching myself to a great offense. It's gonna throw the ball a lot, which should mean 50 to 60 catches at least for Chase Brown. But I do think it's interesting that all three of us have a different number one Heath and that the Twitter poll was certainly more even than the London versus Higgins one.

So there's certainly room for debate in this one. Yeah. It seems to me that the concerns about Brown are just that we didn't think he was that type of workhorse in the past. And we are not sure that he will be again this year. The concerns with Jacobs would be maybe the Packers don't run the ball 60% of the time for three quarters of the season and they want to use Jordan love a little bit more in the passing game.

Um, and then the concern with Taylor is maybe it's just an awful team, but like you look at last year and I don't think the Colts were a very good team last year and Taylor averaged the same number of fantasy points per game as Josh Jacobs in Jacob's breakout year, 17.6 and Taylor came into the NFL. We all, I don't remember much argument about the fact that Jonathan Taylor was a generational back coming into the league, and I don't think he's done very much in his time in the, in the league to disprove that. And he's still 26 years old.

And so it's not like Joe Flacco was the reason that Jonathan Taylor had a better year last year. I think Taylor scored more touchdowns or the same number of touchdowns playing with Anthony Richardson and didn't catch passes really from either one of them. Yeah, but more fantasy points per game with Flacco. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. What was the difference? You know, you and I are definitely believers that the Flacco versus Jones offense has a

lot more scoring upside. Like Flacco saved Josh Downs and made anybody else relevant. I agree with that. I just like, yeah, I got the numbers for you. Well, actually, a Jones I do, I do have the numbers for you really bad. If you just want full PPR. It was this is kind of funny. You don't see splits like this very often with Anthony Richardson, of funny. You don't see splits like this very often with Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor's points per game were 16 non PPR, 16.3 half PPR and 16.8 full PPR. You just never see

them that close between non PPR and half PPR and full PPR, but he was on pace for 13 catches with Anthony Richardson. So if we're looking at just full PPR, and those are the rankings we're talking about, it's 16.8 points per game with Richardson and 19.2 points per game with Flacco. Now, a couple things that's obviously a huge gap. That's the difference between being RB 10 per game last year and RB 5 per game. Which is being drafted below both of those. Yeah. Is he not RB 10? Is he every 10? Is around there, right? Okay. Um, with Flacco, he played the, Johnathan Taylor was actually RB like 17 per game, something like that before the last three games of the season. And in those three games, he averaged 32 carries per game and 31 PPR fantasy points per game.

So two of those three games were with Flacco and those were two of the five that he played with Flacco. So my concerns with Richardson are less than one catch per game last year and 50%, Jonathan Taylor had 50% of the carries from the three yard line or closer. That scares me a little bit. If you told me Daniel Jones were going to be the quarterback

for the entire year, I think I would take Taylor first. And Jones stinks, but- I don't think that helps him. I think it does help him because it will give him more catches. It will definitely give him more catches. It will give him less of a goal line threat. Jones is somewhat of a goal line threat,

but not like Anthony Richardson. And Richardson might just be sort of, eh, forget it, I won't go there. But like Jones stinks, but I think he'll be good enough to throw the ball enough to Jonathan Taylor and not steal touchdowns. Um, Richardson scares me a little bit from a, from a Taylor perspective. I would have lost a lot of money on the effect that Jonathan Taylor averaged more yards, more yards per game than Josh Jacobs last year, not didn't recognize that it shouldn't be surprising. Same not didn't recognize that.

Yeah, I would have, it shouldn't be surprising. Jonathan Taylor's amazing. Yeah. Uh, wow. Amazing player. It does have a bit of an injury history. Um, and I'm not thrilled with it's Colts offensive line. There are factors there that scare me for sure, but ultimately I think you're right.

Heath, we're getting a top tier talent. If healthy at a pretty, at a pretty decreased price from what we should be getting this type of talent at. And I think there is at least a little more risk, probably, that Marshawn Lloyd makes a small impact on Josh Jacobs touches. He's not going to make him, like, he's not taking his job. He's not gonna make him bad, anything like that, but I think there's

a bigger risk that that happens to Jacobs than that DJ Giddens cuts into Jonathan Taylor's work too much. It's probably fair. Yeah. A hundred percent. Was not a big Lloyd fan at a college, but that is probably fair. Yeah. Um, I think, uh, actually who was the other, who was the other running back they had last year

He's on my stupid dynasty Dylan. No, I'm Tracer man. Oh, no, the guy he's still there Colts no and on the Packers the Packers. Oh, they had two of them. Oh, yeah, a couple Chris Brooks and Who Chris Brooks, yeah, the other guy had like 100 carries last year. I'm not forgetting the name. All right. I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm just going to their stat. Emmanuel, Emmanuel Wilson at 103 years last year.

So I don't expect the Packers to be anywhere near as run heavy as they were last season. However, I do expect Josh, Jonathan or Josh Jacobs to catch more passes. He had 36 catches in 17 games. I expect fewer carries. He only had 301 carries in 17 games, but week 18 he left after 31% of the snaps he played. So 313 carry pace, if you don't count week 18, 37 catch pace. I would expect maybe fewer carries, more catches for Jacobs.

But you trust the Packers offense. They're going to set him up in position to score touchdowns. He'll score almost every running back rushing touchdown on that team. Is Jonathan Taylor a little boring, but safe? I don't think there's... That's the problem. I feel like if I felt he was safer, I'd be more willing to draft him. I don't see the safety that others do because I think of the injury history

and I think of the offense. Jacob's? No, I'm talking about Taylor. No, I said Jacob's, yeah. Oh, you said Jacob's? No, yeah, I think Jacob's is safe. Yes. Is he boring and safe?

Yeah, he's a boring fantasy option. I like that though. I want boring. I mean, like he's in a good offense. He's gonna score a lot of touchdowns. You are boring. Heath, do you agree with this assessment, boring and safe on Josh Jacobs?

I think Josh Jacobs is too good to be called boring. Heath, do you agree with this assessment? Boring versus boring and safe on Josh Jacobs? I think Josh Jacobs is too good to be called boring. What were his explosive run rate last year? Cause I look at Taylor and Brown, I feel like these guys can break explosive runs or catches. So explosive run rate as defined by true media is a 12 yard run or longer. He was 28th out of, Yeah.

There's usually about 55 ish running backs who get a hundred or more carries. He was 28th. He had seven carries of 20 or more yards, which is fine. Chase Brown had more. Yeah, no, I thought I would expect him to. And more carries of 20 or more yards. Yeah, for sure. And Taylor, I would imagine.

Yeah. I mean, I would imagine. Yeah. I mean, Jacobs is kind of a bruiser. He's not a highlight real guy. But I want that though. I had a good off. It's fine. I feel safe with him. I don't know if we did we shortchange Chase Brown.

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Yeah, my argument for Chase Brown is just, as long as he's the main guy in a major way, in a Joe Mixon-esque way, or even Mixon was not the third down back or anything like that, I think Chase Brown's going to be awesome. Is he the closest thing we have to Mike Davis? No, no, no, we can't Mike Davis. And we don't have that guy really.

I think the closest thing we have to Mike Davis is Chuba Hubbard. I don't want to put you in that, but I think it's good for longer than chase Brown, but he's also been bad for longer than chase Brown. But he's also been bad for longer than Chase Brown. The only thing, like I think I've got Chase Brown right at the end of round two, the two, three turns. So I'm not super anti-Chase Brown. He would be higher in these rankings if it wasn't for me, but not super low on him.

But he was entirely volume based last year. But he was entirely volume based last year. His 4.3 yards per carry is pretty mid. 5.5 yards per target is flat out bad. Like he wasn't good because he was good. He was good because he got up, he played 85% of the snaps on one of the best offenses in football. Which is a recipe for success.

But like you said, it's also how we felt walked into a lot of failures. We've walked into a lot of traps based on, well, there's nobody else there to do it. That's true. Yep. It's a, that's why there's no question. It right.

I mean, agree or disagree. There's no question of these three running backs, Brown, Jacobs, Taylor, that he has the lowest floor. Yeah. no question. And I would say people might push back on this. I think there's no question that he's the least talented. I would agree with that 100%. Yeah.

I think it would be crazy not to say otherwise. I think he's- First of all, just look at where these players were drafted. I think he's more explosive than Josh Jacobs, but that's not necessarily- I don't know if I even agree with that. I think if someone's gonna rip off a 50 yard run, it's probably gonna be Brown, but I also think a lot of-

Because he was doing it in Vegas. A lot of Brown's best plays come in the passing game. So I do think he's more dynamic receiver than the other two guys, but it's also not that much of a sample size with Chase Brown. I went back and watched some of his work today. I mean, I think he's fine. Very well said. Yeah. But that's the thing like mixing was never that efficient with the Bengals and he was always so good for fantasy. I do want to say real quick,

my Mike Davis award of the year actually does I do have a Mike Davis of the year. My Mike Davis is Deandre Swift. That's that's a fine. I mean, I think it's more of a stretch than chase Brown because we've got four straight years of Deandre Swift being a top 24 running back. I guess you're right. I see what you're saying. You're, you're saying it's based on like this guy produced on a small sample, a smaller sample size. There's not a lot of history of it.

And we're still pumping them up versus a guy that has been consistent in his own way, whatever you want to call it was Swift. I think that's fair. He's got two, two or three top 18 seasons and a couple of top 24 seasons. Like he's had good draft pedigree, but he could, he could still qualify under those parameters because maybe Roshan. All right. Let's go to T Higgins here and I mentioned two things that really stood out to me that changed for T Higgins because he's been a solid borderline number one, number two wide receiver, like a really good third round pick.

And then last year, fifth per game in PPR, third per game and non PPR, 10 touchdowns on 109 targets in 12 games. And really what changed was the touchdowns, but specifically under the hood target per route run rate went way up for T Higgins. And then you've got this, this red zone, green zone, end zone thing. First of all, Joe burrow had 23 more red zone pass attempts, 22 more green zone pass attempts, and 12 more end zone pass attempts than any other quarterback.

T Higgins had 24 red zone targets in 12 games. His previous career high was 11 red zone targets. He had 14 green zone targets in 12 games. His previous career high was seven green zone targets, and he set a career high with 14 end zone targets in 12 games. When the Bengals got near the end zone, they threw and threw and threw. If I have their green zone pass rate handy. Yeah, their green zone pass rate was 63.3%. The year before it was 46.6%. The year before that, 43.8%. 48.6% before that. 63.3% green zone pass rate.

Green zone is the one to 10 yard line. They ranked second last year in green zone pass rate. The three years before that, they ranked 18th or lower. So it changed everything and it was huge for Higgins. Heath, what do you make of that? Does that scare you at all? The only thing that scares me is T Higgins health. And that's probably something I didn't talk enough about in the Higgins

versus London thing is I, I think there's a legit, like I try not to factor injury risk into my rankings too much, but Higgins has probably shown us enough that he is a bigger injury concern than Drake London or other wide receivers that we would rank in this range. a bigger injury concern than Drake London or other wide receivers that we would rank in this range. And that probably plays into chase Brown's upside Brown's biggest target game last year was without T Higgins. Two of his seven rushing touchdowns came without T Higgins.

Maybe there's a little bit of a, if T Higgins misses time, then Chase Brown has more upside than what I just talked about. And T Higgins has generally missed time. So I, that's, but that's really the only thing that scares me. If Joe Burrow and T Higgins are both healthy, I think T Higgins is a great pick at the end of round two. And if Joe Burrow and T Higgins are healthy and Jamar chase is not healthy, then you've got a guy who has scored 23 or more PPR

fantasy points in three of five games that he has played with Burrow and without Jamar. Actually, I don't even know if it's with Burrow. It's without Jamar chase. One of those, maybe two of them were, I think they were all with Burrow, but I think we all, you get the point. Huge, huge upside if he plays without Jamar Chase. Okay, let's talk to, let's talk about Trey McBride here.

Heath, why the, where do you have McBride? I'm sorry, he's 24th in the consensus. 23rd. What's the biggest difference? It's a nine, it's an 11 spot difference between him and Bowers for you. Why the difference there? Trey McBride was a very good prospect. There's not much comparing, I don't think,

the prospect status of Brock Bowers and Trey McBride. We all thought Brock Bowers was much better than Trey McBride coming out into the NFL. Brock Bowers as a rookie was as good as Trey McBride in year three. McBride didn't get any sort of upgrade to the quarterback like Bowers did. And I've got just a little bit, I still believe in Marvin Harrison Jr. And if he's going to take the next step and be better than he was last year, he's going to see more targets and maybe work more than five yards away from the out of Benz line. And if that happens, that's not going to be good for Trey McBride either. So I,

I think he's like, I've got a tight end here ranked 23rd overall. I like him a lot. I love him. He was my most drafted tight end last year. Um, and one of my most rostered in dynasty, but Um, and one of my most rostered in dynasty, but I just don't think his pedigree is as good as Bowers and Bowers situation improved more than McBrides did going into this year. Dan. Yeah, it's interesting. This is, he's an interesting case. I wasn't as high on McBride last year because I wasn't as high on him as a

prospect and I think I've been proven wrong. He's been a good, great player at the NFL level, especially from a fan's standpoint, especially from a target volume standpoint, which I think is what we're looking for in PPR leagues and that's what we're breaking down to me. It kind of depends on Ken, this Arizona Cardinals offense evolved. Cause I went back, watched a bunch of tape on them for beyond the box. So we have some stuff coming up and there were, you know, it was pettings offenses, very shades of 2022.

Brian Dable, Mike Kafka with Daniel Jones, a lot of boot action, a lot of using the run action to set up the passing game with the tight end. Why are they doing that? I don't know. Could it be because they don't trust Kyler Murray to run a drop back rhythmic passing game? Maybe that's why we don't see Marvin Harrison running in breaking routes when he was great at running them at Ohio state, but the ball doesn't seem to

snap off Murray's hands and hit that timing and those in breakers that you need can Murray see the middle of the field? I don't know. But to me, it's like, will this Arizona Cardinals offensive ball? I think for me, I think it kind of stays this way because it's working to an extent. The run game is super strong and they can get passing game off the run action, but it's a lot of bootleg to the tight end. It's a lot of tight end flag.

It's a lot of routes designed to kind of draw the defense in with the run action and then have the tight end in a one-on-one matchup that should also lead to one on one matchups for Harrison, but it's the more difficult throws for Kyler to get Marvin the ball. So I want to believe that this will still be that offense with McBride. And he's getting this insane target volume, which has basically been the only reason he's been a success in fantasy. He doesn't score touchdowns, didn't score touchdowns in college.

Hasn't scored touchdowns, the NFL and doesn't really break off a lot of run after the catch. So it kind of does come down to this volume. And I want to believe that it will stay that way because I don't know if I trust Kyler Murray. And ultimately, if you're a coach, you have to kind of go with the skillset of your quarterback and scheme around him. So I'm high on McBride this year after not being high on him last year, mostly because I don't really truly believe him in Kyler, but it goes to what Heath was saying before. I probably won't have that much Marvin Harrison Jr. despite belief in the talent. Yeah, I am not sure that I just want to

say that Trey McBride can't score touchdowns really just kind of takes catching the ball in the end zone sometimes, you know, getting the end zone targets. You got those last year. And he still didn't score touchdowns. Yeah, I don't know, man. I 10 at Colorado State is a really rough number at a school like that, where you're facing really lower level competition. Just seems kind of fluky to me. It seems kind of fluky. And I think because he wasn't a starter in his first year, my, I, I'm the

touchdown regression guy and Dan said it, like a lot of times he thinks maybe I take it too far and maybe I do. My general rule is if you give me three years of a low touchdown rate, I'm just going to start believing it. I'm not sure it's fair to McBride to say that we've had three years, but he's had 292 targets, which is pretty close to three years where the targets for a tight end and he has six touchdowns. So I do, I do think if you're projecting touchdown rate based on pedigree and the fact that McBride's had a low touchdown rate for a longer period of

time that you should project, project a higher touchdown rate for Brock Bowers than Trey McBride. It's just, I mean, one, he had nine end zone targets and he caught one of them. That's just, that's inexplicable basically. Um, but. And the other side of that is if I remember correctly, he had both a rushing touchdown and a fumble recovery touchdown last year. Yep. Definitely had a rushing touchdown. I think, I think it might've been his first touchdown of the year was a fumble recovery.

I think it was. I remember that stat. Yeah. I remember circulating around. So here's why I like McBride a little bit more, I guess. In PPR. In full PPR. Yeah. It's because he look what he did the year before when Zach Hertz after Zach Hertz the last. Sorry. I got the wrong. So it was this stretch from weeks 10 through 16. I think we can. I know when he we get was when he had and that was petting as well. Right. I'm looking at his rookie season. He actually had a really good stretch his rookie season, weeks eight through 16,

where he was on pace for over a thousand yards. But yeah, no, it was the second season after, when was it Heath? What week? Yeah, it was definitely not his rookie season. It was 2023. He only had 265 yards his rookie season. It was 2023.

It was from week 10 was his first start. I'm not even going to tell you what I just did there. I'm sorry. Week eight, it was his first start and he, he was on pace for 145 targets. Yeah. And 1114 yards and 112 catches. I think we just live watch an example of azer stats going wrong. I had T Higgins game log pulled up

and I was giving his stats instead of Brian. Acer statting is not for everybody. You gotta be on the right tab. Even Acer, while you're podcasting is almost as difficult as mock drafting while you're podcasting. You have to lock your Acer stats in pre-pod. No, that's my bad. He didn't have a good rookie.

That was T Higg. I was looking at. OK, so it's just it's it's a year and a half of McBride being this one hundred plus catch guy. And I feel really good about him. I think as of now, I'm not really that into Marvin Harrison Jr. at the moment. But I also would make the point this is a similar point that I would make when we're talking about neighbors

versus Brian Thomas Jr. Because a lot of people say, well, neighbors is getting this big quarterback upgrade. I also think Brian Thomas Jr. is going to get a quarterback upgrade. I just think that the Jaguars are going to have a much more successful passing game. They threw for 3,700 yards and 19 touchdowns last year.

I don't necessarily feel that way about the Cardinals because they're not going to throw as much as Kyler used to under Kingsbury, but I do think it's possible that the Cardinals just have a better passing game, especially touchdown rate. The touchdown rate was really low for Kyler. I think again, it has to be design based. Like we always talk about quarterback upgrade. What about scheme, design, upgrade? If you go back and watch every single route run by Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik Neighbors last year,

you're just gonna see such a different variety of routes and usage for neighbors. They're designing every clear outs with four guys going this way and neighbors the only one running the mesh route, like the cross or this way. Like there's so much designed to get him the football with Harrison. It's a lot of just ISO one-on-one on the outside, relying on the quarterback timing.

That is harder to do. Like there were a lot of easy layups for Daniel Jones to throw to Malik neighbors last year, drew lock as well. And whoever else played quarterback Tim boil, but like, that's what I'm getting. Like, is that going to happen with your pet sing? It hasn't happened yet. Will he do that this off season? There will be no Tommy Devito erasure on this show, Dan.

I forgot he played some snaps last year. All right. That's a, that's 19 through 24 in the PPR rankings, three running backs, two wide receivers, one tight end, two Cincinnati Bengals and you know, I, Dan, you gave a music take yesterday on X on Twitter. And would you like to, would you like to get and tell our audience what you said?

Is this the thing that I got tagged in saying I needed to add it to your razor sets? Your razor takes? Cause I haven't done that for a long time, but I don't know enough about guitar to wear. It's not, it's not where somebody, Chad Johnson said name five better solos than Freebird, five better guitar solos than Freebird.

And I said two that come to mind that I prefer are Jessica by the Allman Brothers. And I'm not talking about the, I'm not talking about that. That's like the verse. So I'm not the solo and the Hotel California solo is amazing. I like those better than Freebird. Freebird is gotta be a top five solo. But then Dan, go ahead. What'd you get into there, Dan?

Well, I just said to me, Jessica's not even a top 10 Allman Brothers song of all time. And it's probably not a top five Allman Brothers solo of all time. And I did say as my hot take, Dwayne Allman is the best slide guitarist of all time, by far. I'm not trying to sell you this to put you down.

I just, there was a moment I had last month, I saw a video, it came up, I think on my Facebook feed. And it says, why this is Red Hot Chili Peppers hardest riff. And it's this guy, I guess his name is Paul Davids, appears to be a true expert talking about this riff. I've been playing guitar since I'm 14 years old. He was saying things that I never even knew existed. For you and me to start talking about the best guitar solos

of all time and all that, we know nothing, absolutely nothing. I encourage you to watch this breakdown of why can't stop. From a technical standpoint, we don't know anything. It's like the film versus, but we can, we have an eye test. We can work with an eye test. No, but the thing is the ear test. We're allowed to work with an ear test. No, we know so much less about music.

We know so much less about music. Oh, this used to make me so mad with you and Scott White talking about films and whether a movie is, like as if there isn't some objective way to say that this is good. And just because you like this other thing doesn't make it good. Like music doesn't make it good. No, I just, I just, when you hear this guy break down the guitar part of, of can't stop by the chili peppers.

You want to take a nap? No, no. You realize how, how intricate music is and how little we know about it. It is actually really incredible. For Shanta is also an amazing guitar. You should just say something about Stairway to Heaven to finish this off. To hear music, yeah, Stairway to Heaven is an incredible solo. To hear music explained on this level is really cool. Speaking of guitars, can any of you name the album cover that's in the background? No, what is your background? Now that you can get it. Somebody in the chat

should should be able to. They were all spec. It's beautiful. It looks like a Beetlejuice. Something out of a Tim Burton movie. The album Z by my morning jacket. Oh gosh. Will you get over it with my morning jacket? No, they're one of my favorite My favorite living band over it. They're so good. It's just like yeah, they're great. Whatever you just get over it I mean, come on. I can't I can't stop won't stop Can't stop is what I'm telling you. This guy breaks down can't stop I had such a good thing. Yeah, why the guitar riff is it's amazing. All right. Anyway, you know what? Let me let me throw an email in here

Here's one that says undervalued receivers haven't read it yet This is Ted from a town one hour west of the Norfolk Naval station and yeah, that is how you pronounce it. I've been told. He says, hey, Aaron, Cody and Trent. I know them. Aaron, Cody and Trent. Those are Yankees outfielders. Trent Gresham, Cody Bellinger, who stinks on my fantasy team and Aaron Judge.

Yeah. Funny that you went in that order. I've done a few drafts and I don't understand some of the receivers I'm getting in the later rounds. Is it me or are these receivers very undervalued? Matthew Golden, Josh Palmer, no, no, Chris Godwin. Not for me, but for most. Yes. Maybe I'm not. I think I think there's a yes, there's a no, and there's a maybe there. Yeah. Ted, you're making the case for Josh Palmer as a top 24 receiver. I think that's, that's a mistake. I

want Eli more out of that pack of bills receivers. I've got them in Yolo if you'd like to make an offer. I definitely want Keon Coleman. I like Coleman a lot to actually let me be clear. I don't really know if I like Keon Coleman a lot, but 129th overall in ADP or roughly. My one concern is just watching that frickicking bills offense last year and having concave it's the volume going to be there. Cause it wasn't there last year and that was not a pass first offense last year.

And I don't know if Brady's going to change that. I was so frustrated owning, uh, rostering some of those bills or receivers last year run heavy team. Okay. And slow and slow. Like me. If you get Josh Allen, what you really want to do is just see if we can run the ball 35 times a game and run as few plays as possible.

He's have a question. It works. So I mean, I can't blame them. How familiar are you with the, with the 2025 Scott fish bowl scoring and format? Oh, relatively. Okay. Then I'm going to read this question. and format? Oh. Relatively. Okay, then I'm gonna read this question. So Brian wants to know basically what to do

because looking at the rules, you don't have to start any quarterbacks. Is that right? I believe Scott set it up to where you don't have to, I'm not sure you have to start any position. Whoa. I did not know that was in play for this year. Wow.

So do you know if it makes sense to, if quarterbacks are still going to be the best, uh, looking, I was really surprised cause I'm in a, a deal that shows what the scoring was last year. Yeah. Based on not just what happened last year. And it didn't look to me like quarterback was gonna be quite as valuable as in past years. So you're talking about if using this year's scoring, what last year's results would it be?

Yeah, because he's selling, because Brian is showing me a chart of Mike Clay, another ESPN fantasy analyst, his projections that say the top 10 picks, the non-quarterbacks look like much better options. Hmm. Yeah, I think with his outlandish performance last year, Lamar Jackson was not the top scorer, but the other side of it is you can still start two quarterbacks. So looking at it, there's no specific, you're not required to start a wide receiver, a running back or a tight end or a quarterback, but you can start two quarterbacks. I have the first overall pick and I'm doing the live Kansas city draft in, I believe three weeks.

And I, I, I don't think I'm going to take a quarterback first overall. I'm probably leaning towards taking Bichon. Interesting. You get half a point. Look into the scoring. You get half a point per carry. And then I mentioned this last time you get one point per reception and then tight ends get an extra point per reception. But if you're playing on my fantasy, you get one point per reception. If you're playing on sleeper, you get two and a half points per reception. But on if you're playing on my fantasy, you get one point per reception. If you're playing on sleeper, you get two and a half points per reception. So tight ends on

my fantasy league. I think I think Bowers or McBride, you can make the case should be the number one pick. So they get double the points for receptions on my fantasy league. They shouldn't be the number one pick on sleeper. You also get points, a full point for a rushing first down or a receiving first down. Yes. I think if you take away, just back to the original question, I think if you take away the need to have quarterbacks and the scarcity of the position, it does take away a lot of

the fur for me to draft them early and to get them on my team. Like I don't, I'm going to have to really look into this. And I believe it's two and a half points per reception. On sleeper, but it's only one on my fantasy league. That's what it says. You can really stack your team up. Can I address something that was said earlier? I said Adam was a big health guy.

It's been brought to my attention via Thomas. Adam is not actually a big health guy. I'm not at all. He's just someone who is not actually a big health guy. He's just someone who is afraid of sugar and red meat. Now I'll say this, he's correct to be afraid of sugar. Sugar is toxic red meat is not bad for you. It's terrible propaganda that you've been like, good grass fed bread. Red meat is probably better for you than anything you're eating,

especially your chicken that you did. Certainly better than the lunch meat that you eat seven times. Good grass-fed red meat is probably better for you than anything you're eating, especially your chicken that you did. Certainly better than the lunch meat that you eat seven times a day. Definitely better than the processed meat. I don't eat that stuff. No, I processed meat once a week at the most for, well, I might, like I don't eat deli meat hardly ever, but you know, I might get like. Also you've complained in the past that sugar, fruit has too much sugar.

That's natural sugar. That's not true. I don't complain about. OK, if I fruit is fine, fruit is fine. I I think there's like the big four or five that I try to avoid. The fact that you think red meat is bad for you just shows how propaganda. It's you probably think eggs are bad for you, too. Well, look, I think red meat has good things in it. A lot of good things. Yes, but also it meat has good things in it. A lot of good things.

Yes, but also it's not good for your heart. And only if you have the same amount of it. No, I don't think that's true. No, I think you could eat, you should eat eggs for breakfast every day. Yes, I agree with that. 100% healthier than whatever you're eating. No, okay. I eat the straight up healthiest breakfast in the entire world.

Eggs is the straight up healthiest breakfast. Let entire world. Eggs is the straight up healthiest breakfast. Let me tell you what I eat. Let me tell you my breakfast. Have three eggs. That's it. I don't usually eat breakfast. I have two eggs every morning. This is my breakfast.

You are so wrong about this. This is my breakfast. You're so wrong about eggs, Adam. Cholesterol comes from genetics. It is nothing to... You'll just do some research. Yeah, no. Dinosaur chicken nuggets are not good.

Okay. I get that. They're not even real dinosaur from what I understand. But...'s great. Listen, this is my breakfast, Dan. Okay. It is oatmeal, but not terrible. Oh, get the hell. Yep. Look it up. It is not terrible for you, but not good for you. Eggs are way better for you than oatmeal. It is oatmeal, but not the processed one. These steel cut oats, non-processed, with all organic fruit, strawberry, blueberry, banana, organic plain Greek yogurt, non-fat, chia seed, flax seed, and peanut butter. That is my breakfast. You think eggs are healthier

than that? Are you kidding me? Eggs are definitely healthier than that. I would bet my life that eggs are healthier than that. Worst take ever. No, you're so wrong on this. Listen, I read an article. Good for you. I read an article that interviewed like four oncologists and asked them what they eat for breakfast. And basically they ate what I just described. Or at least one of them did. This is such a random anecdote.

Yeah, without the peanut butter. Without the peanut butter. It's all organic though. Random anecdote. There were four oncologists. Well, that's it. Jack diet is the best one possible. All right, I got to go. Well, we'll talk to you on Monday.

Have a great weekend. Eggs are bad for you. I didn't say eggs are bad for you. They're not as good for you as as they're the best. Oh, you know, you can eat. They're better, way better for you than oatmeal, dude. Why do you say that? Oh, I have it with all these fruits of nutrients and things that are better for you than oatmeal, dude. Why do you say that? Oatmeal, I have it with all this fruit. Nutrients and things that are good for you.

Yeah, I don't need the nutrients. I eat nutrients. I think some eggs might help your tennis game. Might be a couple miles on your serve. Yeah. It's not like I eat oatmeal every meal, just my breakfast sometimes. Oatmeal has nothing in it.

Loads of eggs for breakfast. I'm so mad at you right now. New Adam is so sick of you. We are leaving. Have a great weekads of eggs for breakfast. I hate you, I have to go. I am so mad at you right now. New Adam is so sick of you. We are leaving. Have a great weekend. We're ready for dinner. We're ready for dinner. We're ready for dinner.

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