Fantasy Football Today - Cram Session! Draft Day Tips to Help You Dominate (08/31 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

Check out our ebay store to benefit St. Jude! Bid on spots in Podcast Leagues, pre-draft calls with our analysts and more https://ebay.to/3p4Dc3Z Need a refresher before your draft or just updated Fan...tasy Football talk as the news rolls in? We've got you covered on today's show. We start with the big news (2:00) and debate Breece Hall vs. Dameon Pierce! It was once unthinkable, but is Pierce the highest ranked rookie running back now? We also talk about some late-round RB options (8:00) ... Updating our position previews and giving you the abridged version plus sleepers/breakouts/busts at each position. Let's start with quarterback (13:35). Yes, you can wait on QB, but don't pass up great value on the elite ones. And are we comfortable waiting for guys like Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr to be our QB1? ... RB is a bit more complicated (23:05). When is it advisable to go RB/RB in the first two rounds? Is Hero-RB the best strategy? At WR (35:35), you will probably love the value you get in rounds 3 and 4. Also, are there really 30 or more WRs we feel comfortable with as starters? And finally at TE (46:15), how important is it to have Travis Kelce or Mark Andrews? When is the right time to take Kyle Pitts? Are we still in on Dalton Schultz and do we like waiting for Cole Kmet? And we finish the show with more news and notes (56:05) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:37 Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Okay, for all of our loyal listeners and viewers, this is perhaps a much-needed cram session just to update you on something before you get ready for your drafts tonight, tomorrow, Friday, all throughout the weekend, Labor Day. We've got so many drafts coming up, so we're going to give you our updated position previews.
Starting point is 00:02:00 What has changed since earlier in the month when we did our initial round of position previews? Sleepers, breakouts, busts, kind of an updated version of that as well, even though we had a full show of that on Monday. Now, for you new listeners, maybe you're just searching through Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen to your podcasts for some fantasy football advice, or maybe you're searching on YouTube. Yeah, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:02:21 We forgive you for not being here for the ride. We've got this cram session for you, your cheat sheet, your CliffsNotes to get ready for your draft. So here we go. What's going on, Dave and Heath? Are you ready to cram a ton of fantasy football knowledge into one hour? I am so ready to cram the information into one hour. I am about to explode.
Starting point is 00:02:41 This is how I existed for most of my life, not doing things until the last possible moment that I might be able to do them. I would disagree that this show is for our loyal listeners, because our loyal listeners have already heard everything we said. That's good. Don't give them a reason to turn it off.
Starting point is 00:03:00 No, this will be helpful for everyone. Our loyal listeners never would. We'll put in some new stuff into the cram session that the loyal listeners haven't heard yet. I do have to ask, before we get into the position preview updates, what was the biggest news from yesterday? Heath, biggest news from yesterday. I mean, I think probably it's the Marlon Mack thing just because like I thought Damian Pierce was the lead running back but I thought there was a possibility that he was going to share with both Marlon Mac and Rex Burkhead early in the year like they might want to give Marlon Mac a chance to prove that
Starting point is 00:03:40 he has nothing left and they've seen enough to see that he has nothing left. And they've seen enough to see that he has nothing left. So I bumped Damian Pierce up a little bit higher. I don't think I'm going to get to draft him very often, but I do think top 12 running back is in the range of outcomes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, let's get this Twitter poll up. He might get 15 carries and three or four targets a game.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Let's get this Twitter poll up. Let's take a look because I think it's pretty stunning at this point. Well, I saw the poll. Nobody knows what it is. I won't. Go ahead. It's stunning. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:22 This is not the one I thought it was, actually. I thought you did one with A.J. Dillon. Oh, no. Who are you drafting first, Brees Hall or Damian Pierce? Okay, so you have the elite running back prospect, first one drafted in Brees Hall, and then Damian Pierce, this guy, I don't really know how to describe him as a prospect. I guess kind of interesting. We just didn't see a ton of him at University of Florida,
Starting point is 00:04:43 but doesn't really compare prospect-wise to Brees Hall. And who are you drafting first? I put it up this morning. We have nearly 1,100 votes, and Damian Pierce has 55% of the vote, and Brees Hall has 45% of the vote. I know Jamie, in our Pick by Pick series,
Starting point is 00:04:57 and you should read those articles. We give you a lesson on how to pick from each spot in the draft. Jamie took Damian Pierce ahead of Brees Hall in that Pick by Pick series. I know he hasian Pierce ahead of Brees Hall in that pick-by-pick series. I know he has him ranked ahead of Brees Hall. How about you guys?
Starting point is 00:05:08 Dave, who are you taking, Brees Hall or Damian Pierce? I'd still have Hall first. I'm getting very nervous that we're drafting Damian Pierce right up on his ceiling, if not beyond his ceiling. He's a good prospect. He was my favorite running back during Senior Bowl week. He impressed me the most on film from practices. And I know
Starting point is 00:05:30 that he was a good player at Florida, but we've talked about this a ton. He wasn't the main guy there. There were coaches in Florida for four years that wouldn't put Damian Pierce in a situation where he was the main running back. He constantly split work. And I think we're we're very
Starting point is 00:05:46 excited off of what we've seen from damian pearson rightfully so man he's he's got some good burst i think he can catch he laid out an unbelievable pass block against a defensive tackle like he's doing a lot of really good things but when you're taking him in round four, I feel like that's the area where you're taking running backs that are supposed to get you 1,200 total yards and seven to eight touchdowns. And is he that guy this soon, this fast in this offense? I'm nervous about that because there's not just Rex Burkhead there. They brought in Dario Gumbawale. I'm nervous that he could be the passing downs back. Burkhead could be kind of a fill-in
Starting point is 00:06:28 for both those guys. I don't know how they're going to do it. But he's not going to be the only one there. And everyone's kind of viewing him like he's the only one there. I just don't know if that's the case. He's good, but I don't know if it means he's going to have huge numbers. And it's the Texans. It's almost like
Starting point is 00:06:43 the very test case for does running back matter because it's two terrible offenses with second year quarterbacks that we hope get better, but really have no idea. Um, and I think we, we would all agree that Michael Carter is a bigger threat than Rex Burkhead and Daria Gumbawale. Um,
Starting point is 00:07:04 but Brees Hall was much more talented than Damian Pierce. I do have Pierce higher right now. I strongly prefer Hall and Dynasty. But for redraft purposes, it's basically just I think it's more likely that Damian Pierce sees 18 touches a game than it is Brees Hall. And I don't have much reason to think Brees Hall is going to be wildly more effective because they're in the same offenses.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Look at this comment. Pierce, Damian Pierce is the Bishop Sankey of 2022. What a throwback. But I think some people might say that Brees Hall could be the Bishop Sankey of 2022. Like you can make the argument for both of these guys that you know they're being anointed way too soon and they could both fall off they could both be wastes of a fourth round pick yeah yeah hopefully hopefully you don't have to admit that i do not recall bishop sankey bishop sankey was
Starting point is 00:08:03 oh bishop sankey that i mean i remember the name but i don't remember us getting really excited to admit that I do not recall Bishop Sankey. Bishop Sankey was a rookie for the Titans. Oh, Bishop Sankey. I mean, I remember the name, but I don't remember us getting really excited about him. I don't know if you were here. I do not think you were on Fantasy Football today at that point. I mean, you can check your personal notes. No, I was definitely not on Fantasy Football today, but I was producing
Starting point is 00:08:19 Fantasy Football content. Do you remember where you had Sankey, right? I just don't recall him being a thing. Let me move us forward to something a little bit more relevant to this decade. Dave, you give me now your biggest news item. What was, in your opinion? So we'll do this, and then we'll get right into the position previews
Starting point is 00:08:35 after our course. I'll tell you about the draft-a-thon tonight and some cool things you can bid for on eBay to benefit St. Jude. But, Dave, biggest news item for you? Oh, I don't know if there was anything huge that came out of yesterday. Yeah, there really wasn't. J.K. Dobbins.
Starting point is 00:08:53 The cut down day had some pretty big news bites, but I don't know. Gallup isn't going to be on the pup list. I mean, mention Dobbins. Yeah, I think the Ravens backfield. Was Drake really a thing yesterday, or was that like two days ago? No, Drake was a thing yesterday, and we did talk about it on the show yesterday.
Starting point is 00:09:11 But then we also got a report from Ian Rapoport that J.K. Dobbins may not be ready for week one. I may have also talked about that on yesterday's show. I don't really remember. I mean, if we're counting news from this morning, then I think Sonny Michel would qualify. Look into the Chargers. Yeah, he could end up somewhere where he's got some value. So what did you say before the show, Heath? You were talking about three late-round flyer running backs.
Starting point is 00:09:32 It was Kenyon Drake versus Sonny Michel versus somebody Dave had said that I don't remember. Ronald Jones, but I think that's a bad one. No, but there was another guy before besides Ronald Jones but anyway like I do think Sonya Michelle would just take that role from Joshua Kelly in a heartbeat and Isaiah Spiller is obviously behind Kelly and there's a chance that like the one thing Sonya Michelle's done throughout his career is score rushing touchdowns and last year was really the first time we saw Snell Eckler do that. True.
Starting point is 00:10:11 There was one other news. It would be very weird if Sonny Michel signed with the Chargers and then immediately got thrust into that role. I don't think he'd take all of the short yardage work, but I think if they spelled Eckler with Sonny Michel, they're not doing it in the passing game. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Why would they want to telegraph? I guess it's one thing if it's literally the one yard line, but if it's red zone, even inside the 10, I still think they'd want to have Eckler back there to force defenses to respect
Starting point is 00:10:44 him as a pass catcher out of the backfield. Okay. But you're right. Maybe when it's one or two yards out, maybe they bring in Sony, and then they're telling the defense, yeah, we're going to run it right down your throat, and there's nothing you can do about it because we got Sony Michelle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:58 But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They didn't do that last year, and Eckler did a good job. Brian Robinson was put on the 53-man roster, which means that he's not going to be out for the season. Did you catch that video of him walking into Rutskin's Park, or Commander's Park?
Starting point is 00:11:15 Sorry. Yes, it was great. I don't know why, but I was so happy to see that. I'm so happy that he's okay. Of course. I guess I'm just happy that he's okay. Of course. You know, I guess I'm just happy that he's good. Not for fantasy
Starting point is 00:11:30 at all. Don't have him on any of my teams. I'm glad he's okay. He'll be back this year. Well, I want to put him on some of my teams. You know, I want to... Oh, it's a great idea if your league has IR spots to draft him when your draft is over. We'll do an IR spot and go to your waiver.
Starting point is 00:11:46 They haven't decided that yet. That's true, but I think they're going to. And when they do... Oh, I didn't even make the noise right. I took him yesterday in round 10, I think, of the league that I'm not supposed to talk about.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Oh, we're not? Okay. Mystery League? Sorry, then never mind. Forget about that whole pre-sale segment. Oh, the Draft-a-thon League. Oh, we're not? Okay. Mystery League. Sorry, then never mind. Forget about that whole Breeze Hall segment. Oh, the Draft-a-thon League. Oh, yeah. So what are you guys up to tonight? Oh, dude, I'm a part of the biggest thing of the year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Yeah, we all are. Lasagna Fest in Margate, Florida. All you can eat lasagna. It's Draft-a-thon night. We will not be eating lasagna on the air. I think we might be eating eating lasagna on the air. I think we might be eating some Snickers on the air though. Um,
Starting point is 00:12:28 all right. We have a special guest. We have a lot of special guests coming on about 20 people from the industry, but we got Debo Samuel coming on our draft a thought tonight with Heath. Heath gets Debo Samuel hour, 8 PM Eastern. He'll be on right here on YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasyfootballtoday. The Draftathon, for those of you who don't know,
Starting point is 00:12:48 the new listeners who are listening to this cram session, six hours of fantasy football advice and other fun topics. We're going to get off subject. We're going to goof around. It's going to be great. We're all raising money for St. Jude. So we're bringing in industry people, Samantha Braviti, Chris Harris, Mike Wright from the footballers, Jake Seeley from the athletic donkey teeth is coming on. Joe piece of P is coming on. Debo Samuel is coming on. Oh, gosh, man. And about 15 others. So Jim Nance is going to be Nance is coming on. Yeah, he's on the six to eight portion, which is on CBS Sports HQ, 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. CBS Sports HQ. Watch it there. On YouTube,
Starting point is 00:13:28 youtube.com slash fantasy football today. We're starting at 730 with a little pregame show with Ben Gretsch and a couple of guys from CBS Sports Network joining us. And then 8 p.m. Eastern. That's when Heath will be on from 8 to 9, Dave from 9 to 10, Jamie and Nando, yikes, from 10 to midnight. He's just going to torture me for two hours, but it's going to be amazing. So be part of it. CBS Sports HQ starting at 6 o'clock, and then 7.30 is on youtube.com slash fantasyfootballtoday. Now, Trophy Smack, a couple of things that you can get on our eBay page. We can put a link to that in the YouTube chat.
Starting point is 00:14:06 There's already a link in the episode description for you listeners. Here's the Trophy Smack ring for your Fantasy League champions. They're freaking awesome. And this says Fantasy Football Today on it. It's got the St. Jude logo. So we're giving this away. We're putting it up for auction. And I've got that big championship chain sitting on my couch over there.
Starting point is 00:14:28 You probably saw it a couple days ago. You need to put it back on camera. All right. I'll try to do it a little bit later. Okay. I will. But yeah, anyway, go to the eBay store. There are also a couple of podcast leagues, one with me, one with Heath, that you can be part of as well.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Now, position preview updates. Here we go. Let's start with quarterback. It's a fairly stress-free position, unless you're in a very deep league. But when is the right time to take a quarterback, Dave? When you feel like you're getting a good value on one. When you feel like, oh, I'm not reaching at all.
Starting point is 00:15:02 And you don't have to feel like, oh, I'm stealing this guy from the rest of the league. It's got to be kind of that sweet spot. And I know it's a sense that you just have to have. And I think anybody can get that sense. This isn't an intuition thing. It's when you're looking at your draft, you see the running backs that are left are just kind of, eh, receivers, eh, there isn't a good tight end, but there's a quarterback that's there, and you can look at an ADP from any side of your choice, and you go, okay, this seems good to take a quarterback. Now, if you're in a league with people that take quarterbacks early,
Starting point is 00:15:35 where Josh Allen is going in round one or round two, and then the Holmes and Justin Herbert right after that in round two or round three, don't panic. There's still going to be a time where you're going to feel like it's a good value on a quarterback. And if everybody else in your league is taking quarterbacks early, like earlier than ADP, don't panic because there's going to come a time where there's going to be good value on even somebody like Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, not necessarily in this order, maybe Russell Wilson, definitely Dak Prescott. He's starting to slide. The only caveat is Trey Lance, where I think people are going to gravitate toward Trey Lance right around 100th overall. There's more downside
Starting point is 00:16:11 to him now that Jim Garoppolo is staying, but there's a lot of upside too. And if you draft Trey Lance and you get another quarterback behind him, maybe a Matthew Stafford on top of the other names I gave you, I think you'll be okay. And I think you might even want to start Lance against Chicago in week one. Yeah. Tom Brady also incredible value. Not so much. He's the best one. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:16:31 His ADP on every site. He's like the ninth quarterback off the board. And it's insane. On fantasy football calculator. He's the 12th quarterback off the board. Insane. Like you're, you're gonna, that's an insane value. He looked great in the preseason.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Guess what? So did his offensive line. It was only eight plays, but they protected him all eight plays. Yeah, so— What are you laughing at me for? Because, like, I don't want to—because his offensive line is an issue. I mean, it's—well, maybe not for him. They looked good for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:17:01 So did the—I'm sorry, but I think we had the same conversation about the Steelers' offensive line in preseason last year. I just don't but I think we had the same conversation about the Steelers offensive line in preseason last year. I just don't want to make too much of eight plays. The Steelers offensive line this year looked like dog dew. Yeah, last year, I'm saying. And they, you know. That's so 2021.
Starting point is 00:17:18 All right, so Heath, I do have, I mean, some people just play one league. And in one, you know, basically, are you comfortable? Let me start with this. Are you comfortable with Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, that group being your one starting quarterback? Well, I mean, I can be okay with it if I have an elite team around them.
Starting point is 00:17:39 I don't really want Derek Carr to be my starting quarterback, but we've talked about that a lot. I just don't think Carr is quite on the Cousins-Stafford level. But that group in general, there's someone in there that you're okay with as your starter if you've loaded up your team. Yeah. I would really like if I have Stafford or Cousins, because I don't really like Rodgers either. So Stafford or Cousins, I'd really like to have Justin Fields as well. I'd like to have the potential to have a good quarterback and if I only have Stafford or I only have Cousins
Starting point is 00:18:09 then I feel like I have the potential to have a low end starting quarterback but a low end starting quarterback is still worse than half the league at quarterback and I don't want to just concede that on draft day I will say that in our drafts that rarely happens because quarterbacks get pushed down so far that I always end up taking one of the good guys.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Whether it's one of Mahomes or Herbert or Allen, not usually Allen, or Jackson in the round 4 or 5 range, or Jalen Hurts in round 6, or Tom Brady in round 8. Okay. Yeah, I'm getting a little bit of FOMO on some, like I never draft the top three guys and I,
Starting point is 00:18:50 and I want to start doing that occasionally because running backs, but you know, they pop up on waivers. You can get, you know, Alexander Madison gave you three league winning week. I think three, maybe four league winning week,
Starting point is 00:19:01 week winning performances last year. And you know, you, you know, I just, I never seem to draft that early. And I'm never, I'm probably not going to be the Josh Allen guy. I'll let him come off the board first. But yesterday in the pick by pick or whenever that was Monday,
Starting point is 00:19:16 I did take Justin Herbert in the fourth round. And that was what you were saying, Dave. I just didn't love the running backs and wide receivers available there. And Herbert was the best player available. And I was really happy with the way the team turned out so i i go into a draft thinking i'm probably going to wait on quarterback probably going to be in the kind of russell wilson joe burrow uh trey lance range but don't be ever be rigid with a strategy and if there's great value with one of the earlier guys, go ahead and take it.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And it's really just like, cause there's probably a fair expectation of a three to five point difference between those top four quarterbacks and the guys you were talking about settling for. And I just think it's like, it's important to remember that those five points count the same as they would at running back. The difference between a good running back at 15 and 15 points per game or the waiver wire replacement at 10 points per game and i think
Starting point is 00:20:11 that position will be the most consistent it really was last year too i don't think that's saying anything special but the the way that nfl offenses are evolving i feel like specialization is the thing meaning they'll have running backs for specific roles and receivers for specific roles. I think the Patriots are going to be the front runners for this. I really do. But the quarterbacks, teams only use one quarterback, except the stupid Saints. So I think that when you're looking at those top quarterbacks, they'll be the most consistent stat producers for your team. You're going to get the most fantasy points per week from those guys, and that'll help stabilize how many points your
Starting point is 00:20:50 team scores. That's really the driving factor between why I'm saying get a good value at quarterback versus in the past, I'd say you need a screaming value. You just can't believe the value that you're getting at a quarterback. I think you have to lower that standard a little bit to just a good value because you don't want to necessarily miss one of those top, I think it's seven, I think top seven quarterbacks in fantasy. Okay. And in a 10-team league, I'm even more aggressive trying to get that top seven or top five, top whatever, whatever you consider the tier quarterback. When's the earliest you would draft josh allen in a 10 team league sure still round four in the in the 30s to 40s
Starting point is 00:21:33 heath yeah i'd probably go around three i might go around three but i wouldn't again wouldn't panic if he and mahomes and everybody else herbert went in round one and two there's gonna be somebody there later. All right. This is kind of the easiest position, so I think we should move on. I'll just tell you that Josh Allen is the first quarterback to repeat as QB1 in four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues since Dante Culpepper in 2023 and 2024. We just so rarely get a repeat QB1, and he's done it twice in a row.
Starting point is 00:22:04 There also have been eight quarterbacks, obviously. So over the last four years, if you look at the quarterbacks who have finished as QB1 or QB2, that's eight quarterbacks. Seven of them were drafted as QB9 or later, and that is amazing. The only exception was Josh Allen
Starting point is 00:22:20 last year. So you get amazing value QB9 or later four straight years. All right. Do you guys want to just give me names, just names, sleeper, breakout bus teeth. Give me a sleeper breakout bus quarterback. Justin Fields, Jalen hurts, Aaron Rogers, Justin Fields, sleeper, Jalen hurts, breakout Aaron Rogers, bus Dave, Trevor Lawrence is the sleeper. Let's go. I'll say Lance is the breakout and the bust. I mean, I really think it's Rogers.
Starting point is 00:22:53 I'm going to agree with Heath. I'm sorry. If Tom Brady is really QB 12, he's a sleeper too. A 45-year-old sleeper. It just sounds stupid to call the greatest quarterback of all time a fantasy sleeper. But he's not actually QB 12 on any real draft results, right? Fantasy football calculator. I've never seen him go 12.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Those are mock drafts, though. Oh, all right. I've seen him go for $4 in a $200 salary cap draft. To me. Nice. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, running backs. Hero RB, Zero RB.
Starting point is 00:23:24 What's the best way to go at the running back position? We'll tell you right after this on Fantasy Football Today. By the way, we also have some times in the off season is, or throughout this draft season, is that two receiver leagues versus three receiver leagues might have a pretty substantial impact on, I don't know, I might be stretching it, might have a bigger impact on the way you draft, even more so than like half PPR versus full PPR. And two receiver versus three receiver not only affects how you draft receivers, but running backs and receivers are so tied together. But let's talk about running back here. And, you know, is hero RB, which vaguely is you draft one running back early and then kind of forget about it for a little while. I don't know if there's a specific round that you come back to it, round five, round six.
Starting point is 00:24:23 Whenever there's a good value. Yeah, but if you say there's a good value in round three and that's your RB2, then you did not go hero RB. Yeah, too bad. I'm happy to take that value in round three. But is hero RB just a – is that a good way to go in your opinion? One stud and then fill in other positions it is a good way to go when um that's the way the league presents options to you i i think the teams i'm most happy with are the teams that have mcafree or one of those top three running backs and then a bunch of wide receivers and tight ends
Starting point is 00:25:00 or when i take copper jefferson in round one and a and Aaron Jones in round two and then a bunch of wide receivers. So it's funny because I do – like two teams that I've drafted last night and currently ongoing have three of four running backs, three of my first four picks. So I'm not opposed to that either. But I think I like Hero RB slightly more than Zero RB. I agree. I think one of the reasons why it works this year is because there's actually some pretty good depth.
Starting point is 00:25:33 When you get to being helpful for your fantasy team for anywhere from a month to maybe if things break right the whole way and so i i really like the hero rb strategy too especially if i'm in a league where i have to start or where i can start four or more wide receivers so like a lot of our mock drafts, it's three receivers in a flex that qualifies leagues where you start two wide receivers and they're two flex that qualifies too. So I like that, but it really comes down. Yeah, I agree with you. You can't commit to it. It just comes down to what's there when you're picking. And I think it's foolish to say, well, I'm going into my draft and I'm going to take a hero RB and you take Dalvin cook in And I think it's foolish to say, well, I'm going into my draft and I'm
Starting point is 00:26:25 going to take a hero RB and you take Dalvin cook in round one and it's round two and Alvin Camara staring you in the face. You're really going to take Mike Evans or, or DJ more ahead of Alvin Camara. He might say, yeah, but I won't do it. And so suddenly I'm going from zero RB to hero RB and, or from hero RB to robust RB, whatever the hell these names are stupid. Um, but I'm, I don't care. You need to be flexible. You should know what these strategies are so that you can apply them when they present itself themselves, whatever on draft day. Yeah. I guess the question we ran into this issue where I just kept trying to get a response that I wasn't getting. And I think I, I'm only did to get a response that I wasn't getting.
Starting point is 00:27:05 And I think I did the running back preview, and I don't think I was phrasing the question right. So the question is, if you took a running back in round one, and you're in round two, and the best player available is a running back. Do you feel any hesitation to take that player because running backs get hurt more frequently and seem to be a little bit more volatile? Although I think they're actually, it's really not necessarily the case. I mean, that they're not necessarily, they have the reputation of being more volatile than wide receivers, but the evidence I've seen lately has not necessarily confirmed that. But do you think that it's actually a mistake to take that running back to go RBRB because it's not a safe enough strategy for you because of the volatility at running back? I don't want to do anything in a fantasy football draft
Starting point is 00:27:57 because it's not safe enough. Okay, but it is ignoring a little bit of risk at running back. I mean, it's a risky position and i have but i have it ranked that way that's why i don't have as many running backs especially in round three and round four like so i'm not doubly factoring in the safety aspect of it okay so okay fair enough so let's say you do end up with two running backs with your first two picks. Nice. What do you do after that? Do you feel like we love,
Starting point is 00:28:30 and this leads into wide receivers, like we love the rounds three through five wide receivers. Do you feel like you now have to hammer that at least, let's say, at least two of your next three picks? If you start RBRB, at least two of your next three picks should be wide receivers? I'm sorry. And I'm not. Sometimes I do this, and it's like doing a bit. of your next three picks. If you start RBRB, at least two of your next three picks should be wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:28:45 I'm sorry. And I'm not. Sometimes I do this, and it's like doing a bit, but I don't ever feel like I have to do anything. If I've got flex spots, like I said, I've got two drafts going on right now where I took three running backs
Starting point is 00:29:03 my first four picks. So no, I don't feel like I have to do that. It's really so, and some of these drafts have wild swings, but if I'm in a draft with Dave and a couple other running back guys, I might draft a bunch of wide receivers. If I'm in one of these FFPC drafts where everybody drafts wide receivers like crazy, I might end up with three running backs in the first four picks. I'm going to draft the value that presents itself to me. Okay. So I'd never, if I go running back, running back, I'm never going to say, okay,
Starting point is 00:29:35 I have to do this, this, and this. But if I go running back, running back, I do say I'm probably going to do this, this, and this. Things can change if, you know, there's an amazing value on Kyle Pitts or Justin Herbert or something like that. But I think just to fast forward to the wide receiver portion of this, you don't want to miss out on all of those three to four or five rounds. You don't want to miss out entirely on the Michael Pittman, Mike Williams, Cortland Sutton, Chris Godwin, Michael Thomas. You don't want to miss out on Michael. McLaurin is in there. Yeah, there's a lot of guys there.
Starting point is 00:30:08 But okay, that's four wide receivers. Now, Dave. Hold on. I would say there's one question I think people should answer before they go into their draft. I'm going to read off a bunch of names of running backs. How excited are you to get one of these guys as your RB2? Ready? Here we go.
Starting point is 00:30:24 J.K. Dobbins, Ezekiel Elliott, Josh Jacobs, Clyde Edwards-Alaire, Damian Pierce in there, Elijah Mitchell's in there, Devin Singletary's in there, Chase Edmonds is in there, Cam Akers is in there. Okay, you got the idea. The more running backs from the guys I just named that you like, the more comfortable you should be if it presents itself to wait on taking running backs. If you don't like any of those names, you better be ready to take running backs with two of your first three picks, if not two of your first two picks. Well, I love what you just did there because it is very helpful to have that idea. However, I would say that you can just decide on draft day,
Starting point is 00:31:07 this would be more for a full PPR league, especially one that starts either three receivers or two flexes. You could just say, I'm probably going to be weak at RB2, and I'm just going to crush it everywhere else. I mean, people do go with that strategy. Like Ben Gretsch would say, it's okay to be weak at RB2. So you could maybe not like those guys, Dave. I would say that too.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Yeah. No, this is what hero RB strategy is. Right. So you can just be perfectly fine with that. I mean, you could take your running back in round one, wide receiver round two, Kyle Pitts round three, stud wide receiver round four, another one in round five, quarterback in round six.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And then there's still options for you. There's the Patriots guys. There's maybe Clydes in round seven. Maybe Antonio Gibson is a good option for you. There's a ton of guys. There's the Seahawks guys. There's Miles Sanders. You know, they could be your RB2 and your RB3. And I don't know if you guys heard everything I said. I could repeat it, but I'd be fine with a team like that. Perfect. And that's great. You've answered that question before you draft. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:32:08 And I think it's not a bad answer. I really don't. I think it's totally cool. If you feel that way, you're comfortable with it. This is your team. One thing that's changed for me, that's changed for me over time is in 2022. I am.
Starting point is 00:32:24 I'd rather be strong at wide receiver than running back after drafts. And I want to know how you guys feel that way. Now, two receiver versus three receiver scoring system, that could change the answer to that. But for most of my leagues, I'd rather be strong at wide receiver than running back. How do you guys feel about that? I like being strong with my starting wide receivers. I'm okay if I've got questionable wide receiver depth because I'm confident that I can find
Starting point is 00:32:51 receivers off the waiver wire, particularly early in the season. I'd like to have one more starting wide receiver than I'm allowed. Okay. But again, if the draft falls in a way where you've got your receivers covered and you're happy with them but so many other great options show up there's a real life example from the draft that we did um yesterday you'll see the results tonight on the draft-a-thon you know my flex is is tj hockinson because he fell to 103rd overall wow yeah i'm i couldn't pass up that value that was too good of a value you already had kelsey is my starting tight end and hockinson's gonna be my flex i didn't plan i'm never gonna tell anybody to take
Starting point is 00:33:37 two tight ends unless it's a case like that hockinson's adp is in like round seven round eight and i got them in round nine. Couldn't believe it. Okay. Like which start do you like better? Derek Henry, Leonard Fournette, Mike Evans,
Starting point is 00:33:54 Michael Thomas, Henry Fournette, Evans, Thomas, that one, or Jamar chase, Saquon Barkley, James Connor,
Starting point is 00:34:02 Deontay Johnson. So again, it's Henry Fournette, Evans, and Michael Thomas Saquon Barkley, James Conner, Deontay Johnson. So again, it's Henry, Fournette, Evans, and Michael Thomas, or Chase, Barkley, Conner, Deontay Johnson. I think the second one. I'm not going to say the second one's bad. Yeah, they're both fine. I mean, these are good ways. This is really old.
Starting point is 00:34:22 These are good ways to build your team. And then another team that was picking right after that went Mixon, Lamb, Chubb, Godwin. So these are three squads that went with two running backs and two wide receivers with their first four picks and probably are pretty happy with the way their teams turned out. And in all three cases, the backs are like top 15 running backs they're not from and no running backs from the list of names i gave you earlier all right give me sleeper
Starting point is 00:34:52 breakout bus heath nico collins no running back running back we're on running back wait a minute nico collins doesn't play running back yeah he probably missed around there we talked about a lot of wide receiver stuff during the uh during that section uh so a running back sleeper um i think my favorite tyler tyler algier i had damian pierce i'm just doing names aren't i okay so my breakout is going to be uh giovante williams and the bust I think is still Ezekiel Elliott Algier sleeper Gervonta breakout Zeke bust Dave I'm I'm falling for Khalil Herbert as a sleeper breakout running back I think Devin Singletary
Starting point is 00:35:39 does better than anybody thinks that he'll do and my bust running back cam acres all right I freaking love wide receiver this year really excited about Does better than anybody thinks that he'll do. And my bust running back, Cam Akers. All right. I freaking love wide receiver this year. Really excited about it. I asked you this on the position preview. Let's do it again. I want blank of my top blank wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:36:00 How many receivers am I starting? Okay, let's do it in a two-receiver league with one flex. And is it full PPR? Yes. Honestly, I think I'd be okay with two of my top 30 receivers. Three of my top 11. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Now you say, hold on though, because he says that he doesn't want three of the first 11 receivers taken. He says three of his top 11 because his top 11 looks a lot different than ADP.
Starting point is 00:36:36 It probably includes Brandon Cooks who's like a round five pick, right? Is that? It's exactly, exactly right. I can get a wide receiver early, DJ Moore in round three and Brandon Cook in round five. And I've got three of my top 11 wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:36:51 I would not mind having four of my top 15, which gets me to Chris Godwin if he happens to fall. Yeah. He's around four pick round five pick. Like if you could give me a team that starts with Cooper cup, DJ more, Brandon cooks, Chris Godwin. I think that you can probably look at Dave, Jamie and Heath's rankings and get all the way into the 30s before you start feeling a little uncomfortable. I think once you get to Elijah Moore, maybe he's 34th or 35th for all three of you guys. Like, I don't know that you want to start him in week one. You want to draft him.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Yeah, go ahead. I think there's a lot more discomfort a lot sooner than that. I'm very uncomfortable with DK Metcalf. I'm super uncomfortable with Gabriel Davis. All right. I think, yes, I'm not going to say you're going to be comfortable with every single top 35 wide receiver, but I think you're going
Starting point is 00:37:48 to find players through the top 35. You know, a lot of them you're going to be comfortable with as at the very least the number three guy. But where is the cutoff for you? Where do you,
Starting point is 00:37:58 like 28-ish? No, I think it's probably where I start feeling some discomfort about what's going to happen with the wide receivers it's it might be at 23 with Michael Thomas I have no comfort level and what Michael Thomas is
Starting point is 00:38:14 going to be this year right but I think compared to the running backs who are going around Michael Thomas you're not like you feel more comfortable with them either I feel more comfortable in what David Montgomery is than what Michael Thomas is. All right, then I'm going to try to tell me if you agree with this. Okay. I got to get like full ADP here and not just one position.
Starting point is 00:38:38 And I think like I'm saying all these guys that I'm uncomfortable with, there's guys I have ranked higher than those guys that Daveave is uncomfortable with also right but it's different levels of discomfort i might be uncomfortable with someone like mike williams or dk you mentioned him but i still see why i would start like dionte you you hate dionte's guts no no no no no i've come around oh okay the reason why i came around is because the quarterbacks have actually both looked pretty good there. Offensive line is a problem, but I think they've got quarterbacks that can... I think they're going to work around it. And I think Deontay could be more efficient than he's been in the past.
Starting point is 00:39:17 I don't want to do it like... I don't want to frame it like the way I see it, but I guess... Well, isn't that what you're supposed to do? No, I'm trying to get the way you see it. that's what we're supposed all right so so just this is this is how i see it when you're drafting wide receivers versus running backs running backs have kind of an edge in the in the first round second round is you know kind of a tie. Third, fourth, fifth, sixth, I more or less like the wide receiver values better. Once we get to round seven,
Starting point is 00:39:55 and in round seven, it's so frustrating because it depends on the website, but once you start to get the guys like Devante Smith, Elijah Moore, Brandon Ayuk, there's obviously DeAndre Hopkins, who's a special case, Robert Woods, all of the rookies, basically. That's when I usually have a good core of wide receivers,
Starting point is 00:40:10 and I like to pivot back to running backs. And I feel like that's how our drafts go. I only say that... I'm bringing this up because I don't feel like I'm completely out of the woods
Starting point is 00:40:19 and out of the mainstream here. And I think it's a decent way to go through your draft. But do you feel the same way that rounds three, four, five, six, three, four, five, six, the values at wide receiver are typically better
Starting point is 00:40:32 than the values at running back? Yes. That's right. Definitely feel that way in round three. Probably feel that way in round three um probably feel that way in round four it's tough because there are drafts i do where david montgomery and aj dylan are there in round five and there are not wide receivers that i want to take because brandon cooks went in round four so it's um i'm not sure i'd go all the way there i think i did find the gap, because I just looked at my rankings.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And I think the place where I stopped feeling comfortable at wide receiver is actually after Allen Robinson at wide receiver 21. I've got a 10-pick gap there with no wide receivers. And then it's like I don't have a big gap in the 30s. I've got like nine guys all kind of ranked back-to-back. That's interesting. Steve, can you name a few wide receivers you have ranked behind Robinson? Darnell Mooney, Michael Thomas, Jalen Waddell, Adam Thielen, Marquise Brown,
Starting point is 00:41:35 DK Metcalf, Jerry Judy, Amunra St. Brown. Okay, okay. Like all of those guys, I could see reason for optimism. All of those guys have pretty gigantic question marks for me. backs are there, but even Darren Waller, George Kittle, they're in that range. Quite frankly, there just aren't that many fantasy football picks that aren't going to have a lot of question marks, right? You know, not everybody can be a first or second rounder. But I get it. I feel like we feel the same way.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I just was probably phrasing it a little bit differently. So Heath, what would be your wide receiver advice to somebody? Well, I mean, like if you can get Kup or Jefferson in the first round, that's great. I'm generally not taking a wide receiver in round two. It's usually Aaron Jones or Mark Andrews. But then like it's kind of free money from their wide receiver for me because I can always get DJ Moore in round three and Brandon Cooks is always there in round four or five. And then when we get to the double digit rounds, I want to stockpile rookie wide receivers. I want Dave's guy, Traylon Burks and Jahan Dotson and George Pickens, if he happens
Starting point is 00:42:55 to be there in your league and Garrett Wilson and like all these young rookie wide receivers. I think a couple of them will hit middle of the season. You're not naming Sky Moore. I am less, I have Sky Moore behind all of the season. You're not naming Sky Moore. I am less... I have Sky Moore behind all of those guys, yes. Okay. You have him behind MVS?
Starting point is 00:43:12 I have him one spot behind MVS. Okay, Dave. I guess we could do sleeper breakout bus. Go ahead. Sleeper breakout bus, Dave. Isaiah McKenzie is a sleeper.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Been talking about him for a while. Want another sleeper? Sure. I'm going to give you another sleeper just in general and then one for deeper and especially dynasty leagues. That's the sleeper calling right now. The second sleeper is Zay Jones. You can literally get him with your last pick.
Starting point is 00:43:39 And the dynasty sleeper is Kyle Phillips with the Titans, who's their rookie receiver. Probably going to be a slot receiver. My wife's getting the phone. Don't worry. It's okay, honey. What's odd is that I still think Gabriel Davis can break out if Isaiah McKenzie is the sleeper. This is where he talks about there's not enough targets to go around.
Starting point is 00:43:58 This is a Bills offense that's going to throw over 600 times, and I think there's going to be pretty high concentration on those three receivers. Bust receiver, he won't like this one either. I'll say Juju. Okay. Heath, sleeper breakout bust. Yeah, Juju is towards the back end of that discomfortable level for me, so I haven't drafted him very much. I hope he's not a bust, but I will say Nico Collins as my sleeper. I think he has high-end flex appeal, even if Brandon Cooks is healthy and could be a top
Starting point is 00:44:25 20 wide receiver if Cooks gets hurt. Breakout is obviously DJ Moore. He's my wide receiver four, and he's going to the moon. Wide receiver four. Wide receiver four. Jeez.
Starting point is 00:44:43 I'm in a draft right now where Gabriel Davis just went with the second pick of round four. That's early. Gabriel Davis, depending on where he's drafted. But I don't know if there's a wide receiver who's just – I'm way – I'm afraid Debo's going to be – no, I can't say that. Not Debo. Yeah, let's say that at 8 o'clock. I'm going to ask him about that. He's going to be on a lot of bus lists.
Starting point is 00:45:10 I'm going to say, like, we're not worried about you. We're just wondering if there's enough passing stats to go around in the new offense. What about Jalen Waddell? Yeah, still hurt. Still hurt. Like, he hasn't practiced for three weeks. And somehow we just didn't talk about it for two.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Or they didn't tell us. I would tell you, man, I really hope people start freaking out on Jalen Waddell and he becomes a round five pick. You know, I hope we can get value on him. Because I haven't taken him at all. Isn't he kind of there already? I think he's firmly in round four, but probably depends on the website you look at. I've got him in round five. Okay, so. you look at i've got him in round five uh okay so just one last thing if you could bring your
Starting point is 00:45:47 projections up because you are just so bullish on dj moore i think you're drafting him as if he is on the moon he's busted through the ceiling what are your projections for dj moore this year go for it just go for it. I've got about 160 targets. Okay. Uh, 97 catches, 1400 yards, eight touchdowns. And I would just like to say that we love as a,
Starting point is 00:46:17 as a unit here as a team, we love Michael Pittman. Um, and there's just a lot of really appealing breakout wide receivers to be had in, in rounds three and four. I mean, I think A.J. Brown would qualify. ZD Lamb could be a breakout. A.J. Brown could have his best year ever.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Best year there ever. Best year ever. Okay, tight end. Tight end. How important is it to get Travis Kelsey or Mark Andrews? Dave, you took Travis Kelsey in a league yesterday. How important is it to get Travis Kelsey, who's maybe a round one or two pick,
Starting point is 00:46:44 maybe around the turn, and Mark Andrews, who, according to ADP, I mean, he's an early round three pick. You might have to take him in round two. How important for those two guys? I think you have to decide that before you draft. I think that's one of the most crucial questions you have to answer. And my personal decision is that it's pretty important. I really like the teams that I've built with Travis Kelsey as my late first round pick. We talked about how there's a lot of interesting running backs when you get to round seven.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Maybe some values on running backs from the dead zone that actually hit round seven that you're happy to take. And the receiver depth, while we're uncomfortable when it gets to the 30s, there are still some decent names there that you could say, all right, I don't mind starting an Elijah Moore when I've got a top 10 receiver playing at tight end in Travis Kelsey. So I don't mind prioritizing Kelsey in late round one. And I can make the case for taking Mark Andrews in round two. He does a better job of it than I do.
Starting point is 00:47:44 But if you're hellbent on having that advantage, take Andrew Andrews in round two. Heath does a better job of it than I do. But if, if you're, if you're hell bent on having that advantage, take Andrews in late round two, maybe even middle of round two. And if you miss on both those guys, there's Kyle pits, but you have to prioritize whether or not you want one of those three.
Starting point is 00:47:58 You know, I think maybe the guy who's done the best job of making the case for Mark Andrews in round two is Jacob Gibbs, Mark Andrews route round two is Jacob Gibbs. Mark Andrews' route participation, targets per route run, production per route run when Marquise Brown has not been on the field has been the same as an elite alpha number one wide receiver. Okay, that's pretty good. I think the thing that's changed is all offseason, the Ravens were talking about, we need to run the ball more. The reports were they want to be like they were in 2019. And Andrews was good in 2019, but he was crazy in 2021, especially when there was no Lamar Jackson.
Starting point is 00:48:37 And so a lot of the offseason focus was, there's no way they're going to throw the ball 55% of the time. Last year, it was like 63% of the time. It was crazy for Baltimore. But let's look at their situation right now. Kenyon Drake might be there starting running back in week one. We don't know exactly when J.K. Dobbins is going to be back. We assume he'll be back relatively soon. They might not get their wish. And if they don't get their wish and they have to throw more, then baby mark andrews could be right there if not ahead of travis kelsey it's now way more in the range of outcomes for me than i thought it was a month ago i found the tweets so i'm just going to say i'm okay real quick for andrews um mark andrews has a 46 percent air yard hog rate. He gets 46% of the Ravens
Starting point is 00:49:27 air yards without Marquise Brown in the field. A.J. Brown and Justin Jefferson were at 49% and 47% last year. Mark Andrews had a 37% target hog rate. 37% when Marquise Brown's been off the field since the start of 2019. A.J. Brown was at 36% last year Brown's been off the field since the start of 2019. A.J. Brown was at 36% last year when he was on the field. Is there a difference between target hog rate and target rate? I don't know that. Target hog rate.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Well, target hog rate, I think, is just when they're on the field. I just found the definition. Please. It's the percentage of team targets a player accounted for while he was on the field. So target rate would be total team passes for a game. These were the targets that Mark Andrews got when he was on the field. Right. That percentage is going to be higher for, I would imagine, every player.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Yes. But nobody's was higher than Mark Andrews without Marquis Brown. All right, let's move on here. When do you draft Kyle Pitts? I think if you want to have a stud tight end and you miss on the first two, you're okay to take him middle to late ground three. I'm on board with that as well. Now the too many running backs have fallen behind him for me. doesn't mean i have to rank it that way but that's these are this is one of the personal decisions you should make before your draft and you should be comfortable with it and i i'm comfortable with it if i'm getting more and more comfortable with it for my teams because i think i want to have that tight end edge and i'm
Starting point is 00:51:00 especially with with all the concerns about dalton schultz. Like before, three weeks ago, I would have told you, yeah, Waller's still going to be good for fantasy and Dalton Schultz is going to be good. But things have happened to those guys that make me a little squeamish, a little more uncomfortable, I still have the same difference between Andrews and Pitts that I have between Pitts and Dalton Schultz. So I still like Andrews in round two a lot more than Pitts in round three. I would not pass on Andrews in round two thinking I was going to take Pitts in round three. Schultz is your number four tight end? No. No. What is he, number six, five? He is number seven. Seven behind Goddard? Between Waller, Goddard,
Starting point is 00:51:50 Kittle. Yeah. Yeah, I've got him higher than that. You guys are basically avoiding George Kittle at this point at his cost? I am. But now there's a path for him to regain relevancy if Garoppolo starts for San Francisco here. And i don't know if
Starting point is 00:52:06 that's going to happen in week three or week 10 but if he does end up playing then i think that that helps kittle quite a bit uh i think the presence of jimmy garoppolo protects the floor of those three in a way that i wasn't projecting because if trey lance is terrible there is another choice now but if they're winning even though trey lance is just okay if trerey Lance is terrible, there is another choice now. But if they're winning, even though Trey Lance is just okay, if Trey Lance is terrible, it's one thing. They won't be winning. But if they find ways to win in spite of Trey Lance not being prolific as a passer, it's going to be bad news. They're not going to just switch to Garoppolo to make us happy in Fantasy land. Okay. So if we don't, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:46 get the tight end we want, who do we fall back on? Yeah. My first fall back, assuming I don't get Goddard at a good value or Schultz or even Kittle is Hawkinson because I still think he's going to have a good target share. Um, when,
Starting point is 00:53:02 when he's playing in Detroit, I still feel like Jaredared goth isn't gonna let it rip i don't think he'll be asked to let it rip he's gonna focus on those short and intermediate throws it's made me more interested in saint brown and it's made me interested in hockinson if it's the right spot in a draft and i think the green light on hockinson comes on starting in early round eight you know those adventure movies when you fall off a cliff and you're always kind of like hitting things on the way down that slow you down just enough to make it plausible
Starting point is 00:53:29 that you might survive the fall? Dallas Goddard would be the first branch on that fall, and I'm hoping I stick there. And if I fall past Dallas Goddard, it's probably Cole Komet, but that's a pretty good fall. And if I miss Cole Komet, then I'm just down in the Tyler Higbee, Evan Ingram range. So Hawkinson isn't even a branch.
Starting point is 00:53:47 I don't ever find TJ Hawkins to be at the top of my draft board. And I'm still in on Cole commit. I know the Tyron Smith thing is not good for anybody, but, and Jerry Jones, sorry, I am also in on Cole commit, but I am still in on Dalton Schultz. Basically, if I can't get Kelsey, Andrews, or Pitts, I'm usually not taking Waller or Kittle unless it's late round five. Maybe I'll take Waller. Schultz in round six has been kind of a strategy for me all year.
Starting point is 00:54:21 I'm fine with it. Then, if not him, probably Kemet. Obviously, everything changes if someone falls, but Kemet in round nine or something, I guess. I'm fine with that. And then, yeah, Higby. I don't understand why everybody hates Higby. But tight end, it's just like there's like 12 tight ends after Kemet.
Starting point is 00:54:40 No, I still like Dawson Knox. I forgot about him. We're low on Dawson Knox compared to the industry, compared to the ADP, but not that. I still think he's, you know, could be the last tight end that gets drafted, top 12 tight end. I'm worried that Knox is the one who
Starting point is 00:54:55 suffers the most in Buffalo because Gabriel Davis, touchdown magnet, Isaiah McKenzie, target magnet out of the slot. I think he's the one that could really see a downfall in this production. Someone pointed out and jamie brought it up on hq yesterday that i'm apparently lower on every single single buffalo bill than the consensus ranking which was not intentional you just see it being kind of maybe spread around more evenly or something i've got i've got no bad feelings about the all. Good. That's a good thing because they're good.
Starting point is 00:55:26 They are. But, yeah, I just think it might be spread out a little bit. Okay. Or maybe not spread out enough, actually, for everyone except for Stephon Diggs. All right. Let's take a 30-second break here about what's coming up on – oh, wait. No. Sleeper breakout bus. Sleeper breakout bus for tight end.
Starting point is 00:55:46 Go. Sleeper, David Njoku. I think he's good enough to be your streamer in week one. Breakout. You know, maybe Njoku should be the breakout, actually, now that I think about it. But I'll say Pat Fryermuth. Maybe they're interchangeable. Two good late-round tight end targets.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Zach Ertz is the bust for me. I will go sleeper is Tyler Higby. Breakout, well, why not just say Kyle Pitts? And bust, it's probably Kittle. News and notes,
Starting point is 00:56:20 Kyle Shanahan did say that the 49ers are going to allow Trey Lance to play through his mistakes. We will just see how that plays out. We already told you Houston released Marlon Mack and J.K. Dobbins may not be ready for week one. They did sign Kenyon Drake. Jalen Waddle still not practicing. He's believed to have a soft tissue, lower body injury, according to Adam Beasley of Pro Football Network.
Starting point is 00:56:47 He's been rolling with a sleeve on his right leg all training camp long, and he had his right ankle taped up when I saw him doing stretching exercises and then jogging to the locker room during practice last week. That's Jalen Waddell. Brian Robinson, I already told you, he's on the 53-man roster, which means that they can put him on IR and he won't have to miss the season. He would just have to miss four games. Denver rookie tight end Greg Dulcich is on IR with a hamstring injury. So does that
Starting point is 00:57:10 move Albert O up in your rankings, Heath? I need to make that adjustment. I will nudge him just a little bit, but it just doesn't sound like having a pass-catching tight end is a big part of this offensive plan, at least not having him having a pass-catching tight end is a big part of this offensive plan,
Starting point is 00:57:26 at least not having him be a pass-catching tight end. We know they've talked about wanting to involve the running backs, and that's something that comes from the Green Bay history. And they've got Cortland Sutton and Jerry Judy, which Russell Wilson's generally been a two-wide receiver kind of guy. I just don't know that there's a big enough role for a tight end. He'll have a few good games, and maybe he'll have one of them week one against Seattle.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Maybe that's a good matchup. Is he going to be covered by Jamal Adams all game? I have no idea. But I don't know if I'm convinced that he's going to be a regular target getter in that offense. Baltimore waved rookie running back Tyler Beatty. Atlanta waved running back Kajri Allison. Jerry Jones says he expects to have Tyron Smith back for the meat of the season. Baltimore waved rookie running back Tyler Beatty. Atlanta waved running back Kadri Allison.
Starting point is 00:58:08 Jerry Jones says he expects to have Tyron Smith back for the meat of the season. I don't know what that means, but I don't think you can really bank on that. He's supposed to be out until December. I think he's banking on Tyron Smith being back when the Cowboys make their glorious playoff run. Yeah. Deshaun Watson's 11 11 game suspension deshaun watson's 11 game suspension has begun sony michelle met with the chargers and ken walker feeling better but his status for week one is uncertain the wow the raiders waved their first round pick from 2021 alex leatherwood offensive tackle move to guard, just a bust.
Starting point is 00:58:46 And that's just, that sucks. He's going to get a lot of attention, though. There's so many teams that need offensive line help. And he's a big old dude. I'm not saying he's good. Young, big young dude. He's going to, yeah, a big old young dude. Buffalo cornerback Tredavious White is on the pup list.
Starting point is 00:59:01 He's going to miss at least the first four games of the season. And this is a team that allowed the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers last year. But they now will be, for at least the first four games, without both of their starting corners from last year. Levi Wallace is not on the team anymore. And Tredavious White is out at least four games. When White got hurt last year,
Starting point is 00:59:21 basically every good wide receiver they faced had a huge game, except for DJ Moore, who did not have a huge game. But Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, and Tyreek Hill all scored 20 or more PPR fantasy points against the Bills. Who do they play in week one? They play the Rams, and then the Titans, and the Dolphins, and the Ravens. That rookie's going to get tested. The Colts took Shaq Leonard off the pup list.
Starting point is 00:59:42 He used to be Darius Leonard. Now he goes by Shaquille Leonard. I shouldn't call him Shaq. Shaquille Leonard, not to be Darius Leonard. Now he goes by Shaquille Leonard. I shouldn't call him Shaq. Shaquille Leonard, not guaranteed to be ready for week one, but is Shaquille Leonard, Colts linebacker, the top player, the top defensive player in IDP leagues? No, because there's uncertainty with his injury. Yep.
Starting point is 01:00:00 And Pittsburgh acquired offensive lineman Jesse Davis from the Vikings, and Arizona acquired cornerback Trayvon Mullen from the Chargers. Arizona had a pretty good second. No, from the Raiders. From the Raiders, sorry. I put LV there. Another Raiders draft pick. Yep.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Gone. Arizona had a pretty good secondary last year. Good luck to Josh Jacobs staying on that team. All right. I think I'm going to go two minutes on emails here you guys ready yes this is from devin hey jake jake flo burke and mayhem i like that those are all i don't know who burke is but those appear to be insurance commercial characters jake flo burke and mayhem rank these dead zone running backs chase edmundsonds, Damian Pierce, Ramondre Stevenson.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Is it Professor Burke? Is that the Farmers? Oh, probably. Pierce, Edmonds, Stevenson. Okay. Yes. This is from Aaron in Annapolis. Hey, Derek, Brian, Trent, and Mark.
Starting point is 01:01:06 That feels like something we should know. That feels like Rams. Bolger, Green. Mark Bolger's with a C, though, and wouldn't there be a Kurt? And who the heck would Derek be? Derek, Brian, Trent, and Mark. Derek Anderson? I find myself drafting
Starting point is 01:01:23 both Cooper Cup and Alan Robinson. What are your thoughts on rostering both Cup and Robinson? Fine with if they're the best values when you draft. I don't avoid them together. I'm, yeah, fine with it. Okay. This last one comes from Peter. Where's Peter from, Dave?eter is from providence rhode
Starting point is 01:01:48 island he says dear jonathan melvin james and ron oh i know badgers yeah grade the trade give up half ppr give up mark andrews get giovante willante Williams and Dawson Knox, and he'll also pick up Cole Komet. Would you rather have Mark Andrews or Javante Williams and Knox slash Komet? So when you're telling me that you're going to pick up somebody off waivers to replace one of the people you're trading for, I'm thinking maybe we should just evaluate the other two players in the deal, and I would much rather have Mark Andrews than Javante Williams.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Okay. I think I would much rather have Mark Andrews than Javante Williams. Okay. I think I would, too. Yeah, except the only thing is, you know, if you told me I'm trading Mark Andrews for Javante Williams, I would not think that you'd even be able to get Cole Komet. But the fact that you can makes it a little bit better. Yeah. I wonder who you'd have to drop to pick up Cole Komet. Javante. What? Javante Williams. Just
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