Fantasy Football Today - Dan's Most Wanted List (06/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

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This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. All right. Today on fantasy football today, it's Dan's most wanted. Have you ever seen America's Most Wanted, Dan? No, but I've heard of it.

I don't think I've ever seen it either. Jamie, did you ever see America's Most Wanted? Is that Adam Walsh? I have no idea. I have no idea who Adam Walsh is. It's a movie or a TV show? I think Adam Walsh might have been the kid that was kidnapped. Oh, yeah.

No, yeah. He was in Florida, right? John Walsh. might have been the kid that was kidnapped. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was... His father, right? In Florida, right? But no. John Walsh. John Walsh. America's Most Wanted is like a TV show. Yeah, not like a case. Yeah, I thought it was a TV show.

I think I've seen it. Okay, great. Yeah, great start to the show. Anyway, Dan's going to tell us the players that he wants in fantasy football this year. Now, some of the players he wanted to bring up were, what, Devon Achan, Derrick Henry, Cooper

Kupp, and there was one more. Dalton Kincaid. Malik Nabors, Dalton Kincaid. I told him last time he was on the show, he talked about those guys. So that was the I Wouldn't Be Surprised If episode. If you want to hear why Dan has those guys on his most wanted list, you can go back to that. But he gave us a lot and he gave us 10 more names.

I think we got Garrett Wilson, Zach Moss, Xavieravier worthy travis kelsey roma dunzey lad mcconkey and three quarterbacks brock purdy caleb williams and jayden daniels i don't know if that's 10 but it's close anyway uh why don't you kick it off why don't you give us one name we'll also talk about the justin jefferson mega deal and give us one name that you want to start with dan your most wanted yeah we'll start with the most wanted player for me this year in fantasy football. And believe it or not, it's Travis Kelsey going into another year where I'm just uncertain where we're at with Kelsey. So we finally got to the point last year in drafts where it was like, all right, we've been sitting on this for years. We had said, oh, we can't take him in the first

round. And then every year he returns first round value, paces the tight end position. So finally he starts going in the first round. Then he's injured last year and he plays through the injury and his touchdowns go down. And there's a regression in the touchdown front that seems pretty much to me, luck bay. I don't know if I would call it luck base, but pretty much to me, unlikely to repeat itself unless he's unhealthy again, but now he's falling all the way. I just got him in our last draft at the end of the third round. Two tight ends were selected before Kelsey. Let me just make something clear about Travis Kelsey before we go on to the point where two tight ends were selected before him.

He's never finished worse than second in fantasy points over the last decade. He's been outpacing until last year. Last year, he was still second most fantasy points per game at the tight end position, but he had just five touchdowns after averaging 10.67 touchdowns over his last three seasons, never dipping below the nine touchdown mark. He also had 10.6 yards per reception last year. But before that, over the last entire, every season of his career, he never dipped below 12.2 touchdowns. Now you could say, this is the drop off. This is the time where Travis Kelsey doesn't look like Travis Kelsey anymore. And we're just seeing the start of what's to be the end. But then in the playoffs, when he got a little healthier, he looked great again. So what am I going to base? What am I going to put my eggs in the basket of? Oh, he's falling off. He's done.

Despite the fact that we know he was injured and he was playing through that knee injury and he came back and didn't get it missed missed really anytime after that Vikings game. And that he looked healthier during the playoffs or that just, you know, this is going to be it. I'm going to put the eggs in the first basket. And, you know,

he just had the 14th most snaps among all tight ends in 2023. He had the fourth most in 2022, over 150 snaps more in 2022 than 2023. Every season before that over 150 snaps more. He still had the third most targets among all tight ends. Despite that. And despite playing 200 fewer snaps, 200 plus fewer snaps in Sam Laporta,

he led the NFL in first down receptions with 51 to Laporta's 48. He still utilized as the first down maker in that offense. That offense moves the football. The touchdowns are not going to stay at five. Again, they've been nine, 12 and 11, the three seasons before that. Once those go up, the points go up. He, to me, the tight end one clearly in fantasy football. And I am comfortable taking him as early as the middle

of round two. So I got a couple of things in your favor and a couple of things, uh, to, to counter that, uh, in your favor, I think the touchdowns should come up. And I do think that the additions at wide receiver, which may be scaring some people off and what they're saying in terms of trying to challenge down the field more, that's not going to be him. That's going to be the receivers, which is obviously going to open up things underneath for him, which should be a plus the counter to what you're saying. And the snap count kind of plays into that is they talked about this and maybe it was the injury, but trying to get him to the playoffs to be the Travis Kelsey that they

know he's capable of being, well, we know what they're chasing. They're chasing a three feet. They're chasing super bowls. At this point, the regular season is just a means to an end as we saw last year, which was,

they can now win on the road in the playoffs. And so how much of his snap count continues to maybe trend in the wrong direction and that they're just using him on third downs maybe, and that they're just using him as a first down maker. And I'm not thinking that's the reality, but who knows, you know, in, in the course of a game, you know, if they're playing with the lead, all right, Travis, you're done unless we need you in the fourth quarter. So go ride the bike for a little bit and then we'll put you back in if things get close, you know? So there's a lot of scenarios that play here because of the additions at wide receiver and because of what they're looking at.

And because of his age that I think you can downgrade him a little bit, but there's no way he should go at the back end of round three. I think at the worst case, he should start to go to the back end of round two, you know? And so, um, I'm sorry, the, the, the middle of round three, excuse me, back end around two, I don't think is, is realistic, but I do think the, the, the two tight ends that should come off the board first, if you're a Kelsey guy, take them ahead of Laporta, but Laporta and Kelsey should come off the board in the middle of round two at the latest. And the draft you're referencing is our pick by pick, I assume, cause that's the last one we did. Um, so that, that draft you'll see in the magazine. I had the first pick. I actually considered taking Laporta at the 2-3 turn. I didn't,

but that's where I started to come into play. I'm a Laporta over Kelsey guy, just because I think what he did as a rookie second year tight ends is typically when they pop. So I like him slightly better, but they're back to back in my overall rankings. But I did consider the first tight end at 25. So that's, I think, where it comes into play. But yes, I do think that Kelsey fell a little bit too far. He should be the second tight end. I just don't think he has as much upside personally as Laporta does this year based on the offense he's in

and what he showed as a rookie. Kelsey, Fantasy Pro's ADP is at 37.5. NFC ADP since May 1st, or the month of May. Kelsey's at 33. clearly a third round pick uh Laporta on a on NFC he's 22nd so a pretty big difference there between Kelsey and Laporta at least in 30 drafts on NFC which is high stakes leagues and and just one more thing I know we're belaboring the part a little bit but um the the additions that they made they brought in pass catching tight ends you know this offseason not that herb smith is going to automatically turn into something again i know we've said that for

years that look out for smith but he's this guy that you know could go through the chief's car wash and be something and jared wiley you know is someone to i think that i'm saying his name right um i i think it's something that you know could could be the heir apparent at some point as well. So just keep an eye on those two guys at some point, working them in just to give, you know, Kelsey a rest. Again, I think the end of the season is where he'll be at his best. I'm a little bit concerned that they may just manage his snaps a little bit more. Okay. He had a 14% explosive play rate, Travis Kelsey, which was pretty, by far, a career low.

He's been above 20% in seven of ten seasons, but that 14% explosive play rate was actually eighth best among tight ends with 50 or more targets, so it wasn't even that bad. Also, only 27 touchdown passes for Patrick Mahomes. He was 37 or more each of the three previous seasons, so touchdowns should Patrick Mahomes. He was 37 or more each of the three previous seasons, so touchdowns should certainly come up.

We have got... Well, Dan, what do we have coming up on the website? On the website, we've got a few things coming up this week. We've been doing a bunch of mock drafts. This is going to be a little bit of a lighter week, though, just to give a little heads up. We've got best ball content coming out.

We'll have some podcast type content, but we also have a lot of stuff behind the scenes going on with player outlooks and some magazine content so might be a little bit of a lighter week on the site but but you'll get your best ball content some mocks and things of that nature okay we have a big surprise for our audience right here it was a big weekend big weekend for dan schneier oh no what do you know? Yeah. Do you have the video? We have the video. Oh, no.

Thomas, thank you. We have the video. Oh, my God. A big monumental weekend for Dan Schneier. Oh, my God. I didn't know that he told you about this. Oh, yeah. Of course.

I mean, come on. Everybody's heard about it at this point. Set the stage, then, at least. He's making his rounds. Well, you can set the stage. Dan's very proud of himself. He made a putt for the first time, I think. To me, honestly, you can watch the video on YouTube,

youtube.com slash fantasyfootballtoday. You can watch the whole show. It looked like a pretty easy putt. Oh, my God. You think a 12-foot putt is easy with everything on the line? With everything on the line, you have never played golf before if you think a 12-foot putt is easy. I don't know 12 foot, I don't know the context. I don't know the context. The context is this. I started golf last summer. Seriously. I've been playing a lot of golf. Um, and yesterday I had

an opportunity to break 90 for the first time. I broke a hundred for the first time this summer. I was just playing crazy lights out yesterday. I went into hole 17 and I needed to go plus one over the last two holes. I bogeyed the first hole. So I needed a par on the last hole. And I said, I had an up and down opportunity with a chip that landed about 12 feet from the hole. So I had a 12 foot putt to par out and go for 89 and break 90. And so it may look easy to Adam, but putting is not easy. Couple of things. Couple of things. First of all, Dan only plays the back nine. So this was an 89, a nine hole. Over nine, yeah. And you said

everything was on the line. I thought you were playing, like, I thought you were competing against someone. It turns out you were just competing against yourself. No, golf is about

competing against yourself. Oh, right. You're by yourself? When I turn on the Masters, they're just, like, competing against themselves, just trying to beat. Golf at our level.

Well, we were also gambling, but we had already wrapped it up because my handicap is so high. So if I'm shooting an 89, our team wins. But it was about breaking 90. Okay. Do we have a video, Thomas? All right, let's take a look.

Here he is. This putt is for 89. Dan has only broke 100 maybe a handful of times. He's got someone helping him. Got it, got it, got it, got it! Let's go, bro! Congratulations. There it is.

Thank you. Good job. Thank you. That's great, man. You're making a lot of progress. I played tennis last week. I won 6-2, 6-1. Oh, I got to watch out.

I told you, my promise to you is I won't pick up a racket before we play that's the fairest way we can pick up no it's not you should pick up a racket i'm i'm telling you if i pick up a racket and start playing you're not gonna get a game that was this was this six two six one against your son or your daughter yeah uh yeah yeah i mean it wasn't i was against irma from the retirement home okay let's take a video you gotta you gotta provide yeah exactly you need video proof of this let's take a break. Dan's got video. You got to provide some video. Yeah, exactly.

You need video proof of this. Let's take a break. Well, I don't have someone telling me where to hit all my shots before I hit a ground stroke. I got a read from my partner. We're gambling. It's a good read. You got to get, you know, it's called a good golf friend out there giving you a good read. Gotcha.

All right. Let's take a break. When we come back, Justin Jefferson signs a new contract and Dan tells you why Garrett Wilson's on his most wanted list, and many more. We'll be right back. With Smartwater's pure, crisp taste, there's nothing to overthink. So while you may be spiraling over double texting your crush, whether your skincare routine is working because you look the same

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So, Jamie, this is... I mean, bring Thomas on. Come on. Oh, yeah, Thomas. How are we feeling about that? He almost got a Daniel Jones contract. Justin Jefferson, not quite, but you happy? Yeah, I mean, he's the he's the what third probably our top three offensive player all time moss adrian and him so yeah i gotta lock him up because i mean what else

are we gonna do like you trade him and get a bunch of picks of players we don't really know anything about and just hope we get lucky again i don't i don't think so so you know we'll see i thought it was interesting, the report. I can't remember who it was from. I hope it's true that the Vikings were thinking about trading up to draft Malik Nabors. Oh, yeah. In which case they would trade Justin Jefferson. Kind of made me feel even better about Malik Nabors.

That they would think of him that way. Well, we'll find out. The regime that drafted Justin Jefferson is doing a podcast with Ryan Wilson. That's right. Maybe a different talent evaluator. CBS Sports, baby. With the first pick.

All right, so with Jamie, from a fantasy standpoint, does this change anything from a redraft or dynasty perspective for Jefferson? Certainly from a dynasty perspective. I think redraft, he's somewhat polarizing. You know, we're doing, Dan mentioned, you know, our magazine content. This is also for our site as well, the player outlooks.

And so I have the Vikings player outlooks, and I just wrote it yesterday about Justin Jefferson that there is some concern. You know, I know Dave, for one, is a little worried about what Jefferson will be this year. You know, anytime this conversation comes up, usually in our private chat, Thomas will just put the name Nick Mullins in there and what Jefferson did with Nick Mullins in the final four games where he had at least 10 targets in every game and averaged over 22 PPR

points per game in those four outings when it wasn't Kirk Cousins. And so that's the hope is that whether it's McCarthy or in a worst case scenario, in my opinion, Sam Darnold, that they just continue to pepper Jefferson with targets. And I think even if they're off target passes, he'll still be relatively productive, if not still a monster. So you're debating him with CeeDee Lamb and Tyreek Hill and Jamar Chase and even Amon Rose St. Brown. And it's whether you want to take him first of that group, or in some cases, I know some people would take him last of that group or in some cases i know some people would take him last of that group uh for me i would i have him third and i'm nervous to have him third both ways uh mostly the the wrong way because i think he could still be better than lamb who's got a you know half a year sample size of being this you know elite level talent elite level producer he's always been elite

level producer and tyree kill who's 30 with additional targets and maybe a better, healthier Jalen Waddle. And that could be a slight downgrade as well. So it would not surprise me again without TJ Hawkinson and a good to potentially above average quarterback situation, whether it's McCarthy or Darnold, that Jefferson is still Jefferson. So for me, he is the fourth overall player in my rankings. He is the third wide receiver. I would take him ahead of Brees Hall and B. John Robinson, and I would take him ahead of, for now, Jamar Chase and Amara Sabra. Real quick, do you guys think Justin Jefferson scores 10 touchdowns this year?

That's his career high. No. No. I have a different feel on the jefferson like i i don't want to be a toe against him because of how good talented he is but i am very nerves about the part that jamie said which to me is a must which is the good to above average quarter or average to a good was it good to above average quarterback play you said or average good either way like i i don't think it's even possible out of sam darnold i'm just gonna go out and say that it's been too long he wasn't even didn't even look that good to me with

shanahan when he got a few reps and then said i'm not gonna use the coach thing and then mccarthy as a rookie scares the hell out of me just based on what i saw at michigan so i'm very worried he's gonna bring down the entire passing game those quarterbacks just say are gonna bring down the passing game i think the best case well there's plenty of great cases for Justin Jefferson. He's Justin Jefferson, but two seasons ago, 2022 Devante Adams was the number three wide receiver in fantasy. He averaged nearly 20 points per game.

He had 1500 yards, 14 touchdowns. He had 180 targets. That was with the Raiders. That was with Jay Garoppolo, but most of the top five wide receivers have better quarterbacks. Honestly, this is just an opinion. I don't really think Tua Tungavailoa

is all that great. I think system plus talent gets him there. But yeah. I'm looking at top five wide receivers and really Devontae Adams is one of the only ones.

Deebo Samuel, too, a few years ago, but he had all the rushing work. Yeah. DeAndre Hopkins had Kyler Murray and then some garbage after that. Okay, anyway. But, I mean, look, he's got a long way to go. This may prove to be one of the best receivers in NFL history. You know, he's certainly on a great track to getting there. Minnesota clearly values him at that level.

And I think for for what it is, you know, you said to the system is is the biggest thing here. You know, Kevin O'Connell showed last year with Nick Mullins that he wasn't afraid to, you know, throw the ball still. And they were third and pass attempts in the NFL, despite Cousins leaving in week eight, you know? And so it was Joshua Dobbs, you know, throwing the ball more than I think a lot of people wanted to see in Minnesota. You know, but he had that good little stretch. And that was without Jefferson.

You know, I don't think Dobbs and Jefferson ever played together. If not, maybe just for the first game, Jefferson was back. And so he showed you that he still has the ability to, you know, average over 20 PPR points per game. And again, that stretch with Nick Mullins was 22 PPR points per game. There was a 36 point game in there, which was week 18. So take that for what it's worth. But, you know, his worst season in the NFL so far for Jefferson is 17 PPR points per game.

You know, so, and that's as a rookie, you know, so, I mean, he's just so damn good that, you know, I think somebody in the chat just said, you know, Jefferson will be great again. Don't overthink it. That was Joseph. Yeah. You know, so. And he will.

It's just a matter of, is he going to be wide receiver one, two, or three? That's the range we're talking about. Yeah, no. And, and, and again, you know, Chase is awesome. St. Brown is awesome. Obviously lamb and, and Hill are, are potentially still awesome. It's you know, there, there's a reason why, like I said, for me, and this is a bigger conversation,

the story I'm writing for the magazine is who's the best wide receiver. So I'm diving into this this week. I'm very excited about it, and I spoke to a lot of people about it. The way that you draft, for me, is very important this year. If I don't have the first pick, it's very receiver heavy because that round two, back end of round two, there's no receivers that I love, but I love a lot of the running backs

there. To play hero RB, which is how I like to play, receiver round one, running back round two if I'm early in the first round. I don't love the running backs. We can talk about this. I don't love the running backs or the receivers there. Round two is the worst round in the history of sport the back half of round two is this is the worst back half of a round in the history of fantasy football like i don't want to take james

cook or isaiah pacheco right they're just like cook in the same way as you has four rushing touchdowns in two in two seasons i i think he's a great player. I like him. I just wrote up, you read it, yes, I just wrote up a story about how I drafted him. And I think he's going to get more goal line work than we expect. I think he's really good and could have a great season, but they just don't feel like round two picks to me. We have to remember that we mostly base everything based on what happened last year. That's what's fresh in our mind. Last year was a really bad fantasy season just in terms of overall production. I mean, we didn't have a single running back with 300 carries last year.

That was weird. It just wasn't a great year for elite players. We didn't have a quarterback score. I don't even think we had a 27-point-per-game quarterback. And so it feels that way. I think in this draft, it just feels like we run out of high end talent. Now, fantasy is always full of surprises. So at the end of the day, maybe it will be different. But I never get to the end of round two of the last four or five picks of round two and feel like any of those guys belong there. And so when Dan said he'd take Travis Kelsey in the middle of round two, I can. No, no, that he'd take Travis Kelsey in the middle of round two,

I can, no, no, that would be the high end. But end of round two is exactly what I'm, this is exactly what I'm talking about, where you're getting to the range that you're discussing. Why not take Travis Kelsey over James Cook and Isaiah Pacheco?

I think that's what I'm saying. I don't think that that's a guarantee that I need to take James Cook over him. Yeah. But I, I, at least for me, like,

and I'm talking PPR at this point. Um, I think James Cook could be an 80 catch guy like really yeah i never really considered that i was thinking more like 50 to 60 80 would be terrific and honestly alvin camara could could do that right like he was a top five running back last year it was so you know that if you think you could get to 80 catches jamie then absolutely take them i mean look at this offense and look how much they leaned on him at the end of the season they did lean they did run through him at the end of the year it's

an interesting spot but i agree with you adam it's just those don't feel like your typical workhorse backs that you might be getting at that spot or if there are is one it's like a derrick henry type who's super old and could fall off at any point or yeah but you said like i don't think that's a bad spot for him probably not they didn't really add much competition there yeah but the thought is maybe they go more pass heavy with all the weapons but if they're going more pass happy that's gonna be good for him sure for touchdowns yeah it should be at least well not necessarily well here's the thing about james cook jamie i'm just looking this up now. Even in the last nine games of the season,

he was on pace for only 53 catches. There were a lot of games where it was like, whoa, he had six catches against the Eagles. He had five against the Chiefs. The last four games of the regular season, James Cook had six catches combined. I don't have his postseason game log in front of me. But, oh, I do.

Oh, he had eight catches in two postseason games. So that would help his postseason game log in front of me. Oh, I do. He had eight catches in two postseason games. That would boost his pace. 70 catches? It's not crazy. No, it's not. It's also on a team that had Stephon Diggs and Gabe Davis. Now they have one receiver who's caught a pass from Josh Allen so far.

Feels high to me, but I can't really argue it. I see where you're coming from. Darren Waller retired and and Josh Jacobs... No, that's not true. Darren Waller is expected to retire. No, he didn't. He's expected to retire. And there was a Josh Jacobs quote from Matt LaFleur. He was talking about the backfield. He was basically saying, like, Jacobs is capable of being an every-down

back, but he really... LaFleur really likes platoons, wants to use two or three guys, wants to keep people fresh. We'll talk about that. Did you see how that unfolded, by the way? No. I want to make sure I give full credit to the name of the site because they're fantastic. By the way, did you see what I did to you on Twitter?

Oh, God, no. Why don't you explain to our audience our Alex Bregman situation? Oh, I actually sent a screenshot to two of my friends last night. Alex Bregman has had two good weeks all year. And Jamie and I play in a fantasy league where you make a weekly lineup. It's not daily. He's had two good weeks all year. Those were the two weeks I sat him.

Weeks seven and nine. And huge weeks, 35 points. If you get 20 points, like that's good. He scored like 35 points both weeks. He's on our bench both weeks. Thomas, if you can grab the tweet, it was about an hour ago that I sent out. You see what I said? It's the coach speak index. They're fantastic. They do a good job of breaking down what is honest and what is not from coaches. So somebody ran with the first part of what the Josh Jacobs quote of, I do think he's very capable of being a high-volume feature back where he's getting the bulk of the carries.

But the whole thing was, like you said, Adam, typically we like to platoon those guys. Anyway, here's the Alec Bregman stuff. This is crazy. Me and Adam Azer share a fantasy baseball team. Bad grammar there. I have to edit you. It's Adam Azer. I did that just to shorten it up. Yeah, me and Adam Azer is definitely more characters than Adam Azer and I. False.

One fewer. Twicey has suggested to sit Alex Bregman because we have good third base options and utility. Guess which two weeks it was. I mean, Bregman because we have good third base options and utility. Guess which two weeks it was. I mean, Bregman has been a colossal bust, except for the two weeks I sat him with 35 points both weeks. And what did I say to you this week when you said, I think we should sit Alex Bregman? I said, it's your call. Go ahead. And what did I reply to you? I don't know. Something about like taking... I'm going to bet all the overs. Okay.

All right. Let's, uh, let's get to Dan's most wanted list here and let's start with Garrett Wilson. Garrett will go back to Darren Waller for a second. So are we thinking it's, it's Theo Johnson as the two giants guys,

or are we thinking that it's going to be a Bellinger? I think Bellinger is definitely going to get the majority, the majority of the snaps. Theo Johnson still, we were all prospect. We knew that coming in, um, but they're going to work him in.

I don't think it's going to be a situation where he doesn't play at all in his rookie year. But remember, they also signed two blocking tight ends this season who they're going to use. Jack Stoll and Chris Manhurts, who they signed for a reason. So I would say that most likely that I wouldn't be looking toward any of these Giants tight ends to be on the fantasy radar. So who benefits?

Not that Waller was great last year, but who benefits besides neighbors? Yeah, I think Wandel will be the big benefit. I think it's Waller. Just for being away from the Giants. Not having to play with Daniel Jones. I think, honestly, the loser of whatever sporting event you guys are going to do, whether it's a decathlon or just tennis

and whatever, basketball, has to recreate the Darren Waller music video. No, no, I kind of like that. I haven't watched it yet. I don't want to. Oh, you have to. You might have to. I listen. We were 26 minutes in.

We talked about one of Dan's guys. So let's get to it here. Garrett Wilson caught touchdowns in weeks one and two, and then he caught one more rest of season. The Jets have thrown 26 touchdown passes in their last two seasons combined. It's hard to believe. He's basically been the number 32-ish

wide receiver per game in PPR both of his seasons. Last year in non-PPR, he was 46th per game. But when would you take Garrett Wilson? So, yeah, we talked earlier about where that range of the draft, we're just don't like like that backend around two, where you feel like the high end talent is gone. That's why I'm considering Travis Kelsey in that range. I feel like Garrett Wilson is the last,

you got to get him before that wide receiver talent really drops off. He's to me, the last of a tier, probably beginning around two, maybe end of round one, but probably beginning of round two for me, similar to where he was drafted last year, which you would think maybe is a reach because it's not like he progressed in any way from a fantasy standpoint, but I'm just going into this thing, thinking what I thought

last year, which is I've seen Aaron Rogers with a number one wide receiver. I've seen this system that they're running the jets. They're running the old McCarthy system and offshoot of it, which means you're fine. The whole point of that system is to get 11 personnel on the field for the most part and get one-on-one matchups, get the best one-on-one matchups, all about matchups. And that's why Devante Adams had so many targets with Rogers and so many catches with Rogers. They put him in good matchups. That's Wilson this year. And now he's going to get more of those good one-on-one matches because Mike Williams is there to take away some attention. They can't just focus all their attention. And Brees Hall is healthy and look like a weapon out of the backfield in the

passing game. He's another guy you've got to put attention on as a defense. So these one-on-one opportunities for Wilson will be there. And when they are there, I think Aaron Rodgers and him will connect on them. The report will continue to grow throughout the year. And we'll be looking at this thing in week six or seven when he's getting, you know, 12 targets a game type type volume, like, Oh my God, he's one of the only guys I can trust the wide receiver position weekly right now, one of the five, six handful of guys, and I'm going to make sure I get him. So auctions, that's where I'm really going to look to get him. But snake drafts, I will go as early as maybe the back end around one. It's, it's very fascinating to me because I write the third year receiver story every year. And a lot of it has changed in the NFL because of how guys are coming into the league so ready to play

and what we're seeing from rookie wide receivers and second-year wide receivers. This is the first time in a long time that I think I'm going to see a handful of guys really pop, and a lot of it is more circumstantial than talent. Wilson is a great example of that because of his quarterback situation the first two years. Now we're finally going to see, I think, the best of Garrett Wilson. These are the type of players you want to be in on. It's Wilson, it's Drake London. You go down the list of the guys in this class and some of the things that they've had to deal with. For what you're looking at, and I think Dan nailed it,

you know, the, the, we typically say, oh, you don't want to pick at the back end around one. Like that's, I think where the fun is because you can come away with really, I think two wide receivers because that run of running backs, you know, unless you want to get in on Barkley or Kyron Williams, who are going to be the back end around one guys, Jonathan Taylor, I think will be there as well is you can go receiver receiver and come away with Wilson and A.J. Brown, you know, Wilson and Puka, you know, any combination of those guys with Marvin Harrison. And I think feel pretty good about it. But yeah, the upside for this guy is amazing, you know, and I know, Adam, you like to nitpick when we say what he did in his rookie season without Zach Wilson. You know,

at one point he was averaging over 21 PPR points per game. He settled around 17. That's the type of receiver I think he's capable of. And I think the, the sort of underlying part of this is it feels like they have a better number two quarterback this year. Something happened for Rogers with Tyra Taylor, you know, and so not that he's, you know, world beater, but he should be able to hopefully keep Garrett Wilson at a high enough level that you won't be dealing with the struggles that you dealt with last year. So, you know, top five overall in targets last year. So they weren't shying away from him despite Aaron Rogers not being there. If he stays, you know, over nine targets per game, it's hard to envision him being a bust. And so, uh, as long as Rogers is healthy, I think, but you know, there, there's just so much to love about Garrett Wilson this year. Yeah. I think

one, one, one more thing I want to add on that is what Jamie said, which is really important. Like we saw over the last couple of weeks of the season with the giants, Tyra Taylor made Darius Slayton a wide receiver one for fantasy. I mean, he had 17 points per game over the last two weeks. And that's something that he didn't have last year, Garrett Wilson, when he was dealing with, you know, Trevor Simian and guys who shouldn't even be in the NFL, if we're going to be quite frank about it. But the one thing that's been true, which like I said, with the, you know, to give proof to my point about how the system does look for the best matchup for the best players.

Like Jamie said, he was fourth most targets overall last year. Seventh most targets were game seventh, most snaps of any wide receiver. He doesn't leave the field. That's another big thing with Garrett Wilson. He's always on the field. So these are all things that I like to chase target volume, snaps, things of that nature. And obviously, you know, hopefully those targets will be worth more this year. And I am assuming that with Rogers or even Tyrod Taylor, they will be worth more. Okay. I do have to say, I sort of pick on Drake London a lot for

some underwhelming advanced metrics. I think Garrett Wilson also has had some underwhelming advanced metrics, but better than London. And for whatever reason, it just doesn't bother me. I just think he's really awesome. Yeah, it's like the advanced metrics thing. I like advanced metrics, but there is some context at play. When Desmond Ritter and Zach Wilson are your quarterbacks and Trevor Simien, how good could your advanced metrics be?

Well, I mean, but that's the thing about Yak. That's why it is somewhat quarterback independent. It is a lot quarterback dependent. Ball placement is a big factor. No, no, it's not. It's not. It's not completely quarterback independent, but of all the stats, it's probably the most quarterback.

I disagree. Well, what is more quarterback independent? I don't know, but I think yards have the catch is a big point of that is timing, ball placement and velocity on the throw. It is. It is. But at the same time, it is measuring what a guy does after he gets the ball. That is the only

thing that's cool. And if a ball is thrown behind you or if you stop your momentum to catch it or if a ball is thrown ahead of you, it makes it a lot easier to create yard depth to the catch. I'll tell you, I can't get aware of that. You probably have it more accessible. I know you're aware of that, Adam. I don't want to make it seem like you're not. I'm just saying in my mind, this is just a big

point of emphasis I have because I have this argument all the time with Giants Adam. I don't want to make it seem like you're not. I'm just saying in my mind, this is just a big point of emphasis I have because I have this argument all the time with Giants fans. I just feel like they don't understand how much. I actually disagree. I think it's very dependent on the quarterback. What was Jalen Waddell's yak his rookie year compared to his second year? Well, his ADOT changed so much. Yeah, he was like 8.4 yards per cat.

That's what I think is going to happen with neighbors, by the way. I think his rookie year is going to look almost identical statistically to that. So Waddle actually had the reverse. So Waddle was 4.2 yak per catch as a rookie with a 7.1 yard ADOT, which is really not good, not special. Then he had an 11.8 yard ADOT and 6.8 yak per catch, which is crazy. And he was not able to repeat that. But he's still 5.8 yak per catch, which is crazy. And he was not able to repeat that. But he's still 5.8 yak per catch, which is great in 2023.

And I'm not going to get into the weeds on this. And what changed? What's that? What changed? With Waddle? Yep. He just didn't play as much. I mean, he had fewer targets.

Was he injured in his second year? No, no, no, no. What changed in his second year? No, no, no, no. What changed in his second year? Everything changed. He just was amazing. That's what I'm getting at is,

is for what, like waddle to me is like a poster child for this stuff. Like his rookie year, he caught a lot of passes, right? But I'm going to guess some of the advanced metrics weren't in his favor. Right. Uh,

they, they were fine. They probably were better than what you're referencing with Wilson and London. I'm going to guess. Definitely London. Wilson actually, Wilson actually had pretty good metrics as a, as a rookie. They were pretty underwhelming as a, as a sophomore, but. Yes.

Well, I would imagine seeing Aaron Rodgers go down four plays into your season is not. Trevor Simeon, who shouldn't even be on there. I don't want to, I don't want to pick dead horse. It really doesn't matter. But go ahead, Jamie. The reason I'm bringing up Waddle is he had system change in year two. And so for London, system change in year three, I think is almost as important as quarterback change.

Yeah. Because I think Arthur Smith did absolutely no favors for Drake London or Kyle Pitts. That's where I disagree. Because I always bring this up. People say, well, I say Drake London was really bad after the catch. That's where I disagree. Because I always bring this up. People say, well, I say Drake London was really bad after the catch. It's been two years. People say Arthur Smith.

I say, well, A.J. Brown, Corey Davis, even Kyle Pitts, the first two years. Yes, but he had. All better. He had quarterbacks. Drake London is not supposed to be. Kyle Pitts played with the same quarterback as Drake London. Incorrect.

Kyle Pitts played with Matt Ryan as his rookie. No, okay, but in his second year. In his second year, and Kyle Pitts wasn't great in his second year, and he got hurt. But his yak was great. I'm just looking at that stat. I don't know why we're just looking at yak. But you're also talking about a rookie wide receiver coming into the league that year.

It's true. It's true. I just... Fine. It's getting contentious here on FFC today. The most important thing. No, no, it's just... I'm true. I just, fine. It's getting contentious here on FFC today. The most important thing. No, no, it's just, I'm joking. I'm joking. I don't want to, I don't know. I just don't want to come off as overly negative on these guys. I probably shouldn't have brought it up. One stat that is a little bit quarterback independent is Garrett Wilson.

I've mentioned this before. He actually, ESPN's, you know, measuring their open metric, how often a guy gets open he was the fifth best at getting open so love that for garrett wilson oh how many videos did we see of him you know throwing up his hand just being frustrated that he didn't get the ball yeah he's he's there's no reason why he shouldn't have a big season all right let's take a break we'll talk about zach moss when we get back and a lot of rookies dan likes rookies this year so we'll be right back on fantasy football eyes all eyes miller light the light beer brewed for people who love the taste of beer and the perfect pairing for your game time when miller light set out to brew a

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All right, we're back. Back with the act. Zach. Oh, back. Zach. Yeah. Yeah. Zach Moss.

A lot of rhyming today. He has is now stepping into a great opportunity. Joe Mixon in this role. Top 12 running back per game in five of the last six seasons. That's pretty. It's pretty awesome all right you like zach moss damn yeah you want to talk about advanced metrics there are some that i do like when it comes to fantasy football specifically for the running back position it's force missed tackles and it's yards after contact per attempt these are metrics that zach moss has always been really good at throughout his entire career even before the colts last year

we finally got a chance to see it in play. I thought with the Colts, good system fit for him. I just felt like he looked good running in that dome and he was pretty productive. Now he steps into a situation where he can take that production and that independent ability to create yards after contact per attempt and tackles to a really good situation because in 2023, Joe Mixon played the fifth highest percentage of snaps among all running backs. And that was without Joe Burrow on the field. I assume we're going to see more offensive snaps overall with Joe Burrow on the field. Cause the offense is going to be a lot better though. Browning was pretty good until his final season. Chase Brown never taught 170 carries. Look,

I like Chase Brown a lot as an explosive talent, but a fifth round pick who never topped the 170 carries till his final year in college, five foot nine, 200. I mean, I'm not so sold that he's going to, as much as I like him as a talent, he's going to have too much of a bigger role than last year, because you've got to have these guys in past protection, especially with Joe Burrow on the field and his injury history. You have to be able to trust them. I haven't seen proof yet. That's not to say they won't.

And he could take a big jump in this regard, but I haven't seen proof yet. The Bengals fully trust chase Brown and pass production. Zach Moss, someone I think they will trust in past production. He has the size and he has the track record of it as well. He's on the field for a lot of snaps in this offense. Who knows what could happen? I mean, last year, here are some of the people who out snap Moss and higher snappers out of higher snap percentage than Moss last year. Jerome Ford, Ezekiel Elliott, and Kyle Juszczyk as a fullback. He just wasn't on the field a lot and yet was still productive. He had just the 29th most touches per game in 2023 Zach Moss.

I assume that number is going to take a big jump. I don't know how high, but maybe if he's in the teens, early teens, 10, 11, 12, 13 range of touches per game, we're looking at somebody who I think can be a solid RB2 all year for us. Potentially, if he gets a little touchdown luck and a really good offense, it could be even better than that. Well, the snap count you're referencing, is that his whole season or that was when he was the guy? That was whole season, 2019. Yeah, well, I mean, he didn't play very much in the latter half of the year.

Well, yeah, that's a good point. I think that's fair. I mean, I'm not sure if I didn't think very much in the latter half of the year. Well, yeah, that's a good point. I guess that's fair. I'm not sure if it – I didn't think it factored that in, but maybe it does. And that was bad. If it does, I apologize. Bad stat. I think the thing for Moss, he's going to have a great stretch of the season. And as long as he's healthy, he should be fantastic.

I just can't get past when Buffalo gave him the opportunity, he got hurt and couldn't hold on to the role and you know i don't want to say out there madison why why like why are you stuck on that it was four years ago what the buffalo thing he got hurt he was he was hurt in college he was hurt in buffalo i mean you know he was it felt like he was on his way out of the league before Indianapolis gave him a chance. Yeah. You know, and so, look, he's the first Bengals running back you should draft. And everything Dan said about Chase Brown may be 100% right, you know, in terms of how the Bengals may not trust him in pass protection. And we haven't seen, you know, what he can be yet.

And all those things are 100% true. Or I don't know about the pass protection stuff, but, you know, we haven't be yet. And all those things are 100% true. Or I don't know about the past project stuff, but, you know, we haven't seen him yet is clearly true. He didn't get a lot of opportunities to carry the ball. He didn't get a lot of opportunities to showcase his skills. And, you know, it's more of an if than anything else. But if he does get that chance, I don't know if he doesn't run away with it, you know,

because of how explosive he may be and a year in the system. And, you know, I mean, you know, we, we, we see this a lot, you know, one of the Steelers is going to give Jalen Warren more opportunities, you know, at the end of their time together in Dallas, one of the Cowboys is going to give Tony Pollard more opportunities. Chase Brown may be more explosive than Zach Moss, even when they're both healthy and they still give Moss those chances because he's better in pass protection. And because he's a veteran knows what he's doing.

I'm just a little worried that if Moss gets hurt, how long will he miss any time if he does? And does Chase Brown just come in and look fantastic? So I don't like the fact that they go so close together in the drafts that we've done so far. I think that's a disservice to Moss and maybe a little bit of a reach on Chase Brown. Typically, it's me and Dan reaching on chase Brown. Um, but, uh, in any event,

I tend to kind of wait this out, you know, and I think I did that in one of the pick by picks. I took both of them. Um, yep. So I, I don't mind that at all.

I like that a lot, actually what they're, what they're, what they're giving you and what they could give you because this offense could be absolutely amazing. And so, um, I just don't want to reach for Zach Moss.

I think if you get him, you know, in that round six plus range is, is worth it. I don't usually take him until round seven. If he's there. And I think that's the big point I'm making about the rest of these most wanted guys outside of the big names.

I mentioned a lot of these guys are based on that, based on where I'm seeing them come off the board and all these mocks are doing, and I'm just not seeing having to use much at all for Zach Moss to get him on your team. And I've even, like you said, I like what you did. I like getting the Moss-Brown combo. And you don't have to pay much to get that whole backfield. I think, you know, again, hero RB, zero RB,

this is the perfect guy to try and target. I don't really understand his ADP. I think round seven is a great time for him. He's going closer to 100, Zach Moss, in fantasy pros and NFC ADP. I think round seven is a great time for him. He's going closer to 100, Zach Moss, in Fantasy Bros and NFC ADP. And we're going to have a little bit of CBS ADP pretty soon because we're doing these fan mock drafts. So it's not going to be great, but it's going to be something. We're going to have a lot of ADP. We're using all our mocks as well. The industry ones we do are going into the ADP as well. All right, nice. Yeah, and then once we get into August, I'll start to use...

I'll use a sample size of all of them. Yeah. We'll have it. All right, anyway, just last stat here. I brought this up, I think, last week. Joe Mixon,

over the last three seasons, he has 154 catches with the Bengals. He's played 47 games, so he's missed a few, but 154 catches on pace for 56 catches per year 11 of them came on third down that's it so that's still a 50 catch pace on just first and second well and fourth down but mostly first and second down right joe mixon and that's just kind of what

joe burrow has been doing lately. It's part of the offense. We also have a coordinator change, so keep that in mind. True. Yeah, it's true. Xavier Worthy, Roma Dunze, and Ladd McConkie are all on your most wanted list. Lies. What's it? You like old guys, not young guys.

He just doesn't like anyone in their prime. That's it. No, I just think it's just this year I have a few old. He just doesn't like anyone in their prime. That's it. No, I just, it's just this year. I have a few old guys that I liked. It's not even usually a thing for me. I'm usually not the old, I'm usually like everybody else with that regard, but just don't understand some of these like Travis Kelsey and Jarek Henry.

I feel like their ADPs are a little too low, but that's just me. All right. So how would you rank Xavier Worthy, Roma Dunzey, Ladd McConkie? Okay. Yeah. How would I rank them all? I think I would first be going for Romo Dunze. I'm most excited.

No, first be going for Ladd-McConkie. Then I'd be going for Rome, then Worthy. But I have them all in a very similar range. And there's different reasons I like all of them. I'll start by just discussing Ladd-McConkie. I think at its simplest, he may already be the best receiver on the Chargers. And I don't think it's going to take that long for us to find that out. Uh, just based on his film, these are all three players who I love their tape. When I evaluated them going into this draft season,

lab McConkie's ability to get in and out of his breaks is absolutely phenomenal. He's going to be a weapon that gets open. And we've seen with Justin Herbert, if you have that type of weapon, a la Keenan Allen, you're going to get targeted a lot. Keenan Allen was just unbelievable. I was looking through some stats for the outlooks. I mean, his fantasy points per game, his targets per game, just absolutely absurd. But how much of that was Justin Herbert leaning on him and his ability to kind of get in and out of his breaks and get open similar to lad McConkie McConkie is not as big as Keenan Allen, but he's younger and he's at those

out routes. Nobody runs an out route like lab McConkie and this entire draft class. That's going to be a big part of the system because they're running so much play action from condensed personnel and heavy packages with, with Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh. So I just like the system fit. I like the chance for him to immediately be the best target for Herbert, the guy he trusts. And, you know, I could be seeing 140 targets in his future, in his rookie season and if that's the case there's just no way he won't return value on his current adp all right well yeah his current adp i mentioned last week there's not a single charger going in the top 100 according

to some of the adp so let's say mcconkey's around 100 so you went with conkey, then you went to Dunesay, then you went with Worthy. Do Dunesay and Worthy really have a chance to become must-start guys this year, you think? I think Dunesay for sure has a chance to become a must-start guy. I'm less sure about it with Worthy, but let me talk about why I'm feeling good about it with Dunesay. It's a bullish feeling I have with that entire bears offense. It's a P I want to pieces of this offense. And I think a dunes day going last of the receivers makes it make those bears receivers makes me want to more at their beginning of draft season.

I was drafting a little keen now. And I look more into it and I was like, you know what? This system, the way it's going to play out with the dunes, they're getting all these numbers, these one-on-one matchups on the outside because they have to defend the middle of the field it's going to be exactly almost identical to what he got at washington which led to a lot of these 50 50 contested catch situations he caught 75 percent

of contested catch situations last year washington absurd number but now he just has better quarterback play it is an upgrade going from panics to caleb williams a big one as far as i'm concerned and so that ability to win those matchups on the outside in the red zone specifically i think with the dunzee i won't be surprised if we get double digit touchdowns in his first year and that's what gets him to must start territory i don't know if we're going to get the 100 150 yard per game like you know 100 yard per game type thing 10 plus targets but if he's racking up touchdowns at a rate everyone's like oh it's always a dunzee in the red zone he keeps doing it's racking up touchdowns at a rate and everyone's like, Oh, it's always a Dunsey in the red zone. He keeps doing it. We get double-digit touchdowns. He'll be worth starting

every week. So I'm not thinking wide receiver one by any means the breakout like Jamar chase was as a rookie, but I am thinking back end wide receiver two, maybe wide receiver three, but someone you want your lineup because he's scoring a lot as for worthy. I look at the chief's offense and I look at what they did with Tyreek Hill and I look at what they want to do. And I feel like this is just the perfect fit for what they had been doing so well when they had Tyreek Hill, which is that deep crossers in the middle of the field. You're running those 15, 20 yard routes in the middle where he's crossing over. And Worthy was not just a vertical threat at Texas.

He was winning in the middle of the field. Me and Dave talked about this a lot when we evaluated him and watched his tape. He's a tougher receiver than people realize in the middle of the field. He's not a Henry rugs, not all these types of guys that were just kind of, you know, the straight line type dude. So I think that that system is, is fit for those middle deep crossers, you know, 20 to 25 range open because Travis Kelsey's occupying space and open because, um, a lot of these other receivers are now Marquis Brown's an interesting factor in all this. I agree with that, but Mark Peace Brown's been injured a lot of these other receivers are now marquise brown's an interesting factor in all this i agree with that but marquise brown's been injured a lot his entire career and i'm just not banking on his health but what i am banking on is the chiefs are going to want a speed receiver playing 95 of the

snaps like they had with mvs because it opens up the rest of the field from a schematic standpoint so i think he's going to be on the field a lot i don't care about what happened with sky more i feel like the sky more thing was more on sky more on Sky Moore than the Chiefs offense being so hard to pick up. So I'm banking on all of that. Yeah, man, it's really interesting, Jamie. I mean, if like if Odunze didn't have Keenan Allen and DJ Moore in the field, I think we'd be pretty pumped. Were these an interesting case, he could just simply be so much more talented than the other wide receivers. But then there's, you know,

Rashid rice had a great, great year. He'll be back at some point. Yeah. It just, to me feels a little crowded. One thing I, you know,

that I think needs to be pointed out is that Keenan Allen's played 23 games in his last two seasons and he's 32. So it's kind of like you sit there on draft day and you go, well, look at Debo Samuel's numbers when Iuke and Kittle are healthy. Look at Iuke's numbers when Debo and Kittle are healthy. They're never all healthy, right? I mean, it's half the year they're all healthy

and then the other half someone's missing a game. So if you can get Odunze after pick 100 or something and there's like five games where Moore and Allen are out, it might be worth it. I don't know. I guess the question to you, Jamie, is it too crowded in Kansas City? Is it too crowded in Chicago? It is going into the season. The Kansas City situation still

has the unknown of Rice and how many games he may or may not miss based on potential suspension. For Odunze, the double-digit touchdown things is interesting because we had two rookies do it last year. No chance. or may not miss based on potential suspension for, for Odunze. The double digit touchdowns things is interesting. Cause we had two rookies do it last year. No chance. I would take the under,

but we had two rookies do it last year. You know, one was tight end. All right, Adam, what about getting to eight? Yeah, sure.

I'll even take under that. I'll take under that. You know, again, you know, Jordan Addison scored 10. He was one of six receivers to do it. Sam Laporta scored 10,

you know, one of the seven players to catch 10 plus touchdowns. So it's not in his favor, but again,enan Allen, if he does miss any time, it's hard to justify drafting DJ Moore as high as he's going, because I don't, I don't know if a rookie quarterback is going to support all three of these guys. Plus Cole commit, you know, and it makes me a little bit more nervous about DJ Moore. But I think,

you know, listen for, for where you're drafting these guys, all three of them, it's such an easy investment because you're, you're, you're taking them depending on how you draft as hopefully at worst as your third receiver, in some cases, probably your fourth. So why wouldn't you shoot for upside plays like this? Makaki is easy,

you know, because you see the clear path to production. Odunze is, is I think as much based on, I guess both, both Odunze and Worthy, as much based on talent as it is, you know, what, what their roles could be. And they're getting attached to pretty good quarterbacks. One has got to prove himself in Caleb Williams, but there's clearly a lot of hype surrounding it, understandably so. And the other one is the best in the business in Mahomes. And so that's why you should be gravitating toward guys like this, let's say more so than a Brian Thomas, who's got a clear path to targets as well, but may not have the same level of quarterback because we haven't seen from

Trevor Lawrence or the same level of potential production because there are other players on that team as well that are going to be productive. So, you know, I think when you start to stack up the rookie wide receivers, you know, these are two of the, or these are three of the guys, you know, not named Marvin Harrison that you could look at and say, okay, should they be three, four and five? I do think Odunze is going to be a little touchdown dependent so that's something to be a little bit worried about and then worthy um i think it's got to prove it a little bit first you know but again not not to shy away from drafting him i think it's more shy away from starting him like i'd feel more comfortable this is how i would have it ranked

and redrafted mcconkie one odunze two two worthy three, but it wouldn't surprise me if worthy is the best of that group. If rice does miss time, but you know, you say Sky Moore, Cadareous, Tony, Meikle Hardman, you know,

they've drafted guys that have either taken a lot of time to, and even rice, you know, the first half of the season to develop rice. I wonder if there was a better receiver there, would he have broken out as not quickly as he did, but you know, I guess as quickly as he did in his

rookie season just because they just they take time in that system they really do yeah and i think you you really summed it up great here it's like we look at looked at this as one of the most historically good receiver classes and yet now we don't have to pay anything to get these guys because of the factors that you mentioned situation with the dunze the the unprovenness with worthy mcconkey i don't really know why he's being drafted so late but for whatever reason that's because of the factors that you mentioned, the situation with the Dunze, the unprovenness with Worthy, McConkie. I don't really know why he's being drafted so late, but for whatever reason that's happening, that doesn't add up in my brain that well.

Like I don't have to invest anything to get these guys. Previous years, I've invested all this to get rookies, and yet they're really talented. So I'm going to bet on the talent there, especially when I don't have to pay that much. Once the ADP comes up, and it will, by the way, this is early ADP. We haven't had training camp highlights.

The minute Worthy and Odunze and McConkie do all these crazy things in training camp, this ADP is going to shoot up multiple rounds on all of them. I can guarantee you that where we're getting these guys now, we will not be getting them at all. That's my prediction, at least. Maybe Odunze. It's the only one that you might be able to get late. Odunze, I think, is going to be the one that probably shoots up the most because of hard knocks. Well, there you go. Right. We have hard knocks with that. Yeah, exactly. So we're not even going to get late. Oh, doomsday. I think is going to be the one that probably shoots up the most because of

hard knocks. Well, there you go. Right. We have hard knocks with that. That's an, yeah, exactly.

So we're not even going to get that one. And McConkie is going to easy shoot up worthy. Maybe not. If we hear reports like he's running with a third team, whatever, that's the one you might be. Well, you already had the drop on his first rep in practice.

Yeah. I think didn't he get banked up a little bit too. Wasn't he, wasn't he hurt? He was injured a little bit too. So if he, that's his type of camp, injuries and third team, then that's the one that you can really still get late.

But I don't know. I just feel like right now they're good values. Well, I just drafted McConkie 70th overall, which is early. It's early. The next wide receiver off the board was Christian Watson, and it was between those two. And then we didn't know. It was like your wide receiver four, though.

It's not that early. It's three. Okay. You and I were back to back and I was actually planning to take Watson and McConkey. Okay. Yeah. I think it's,

I think it's worth doing. I mean, yeah. Okay. Okay. We got Dan. It's a long show today. So give me like two minutes on these three quarterbacks that you like

Brock Purdy, Caleb and more rookies, Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels. I'll rapid fire these Brock Purdy at the seventh most fantasy points per game last year. He had 40.5% of his plays were first downs or touchdowns best in the NFL by far over four percentage points higher than the next best QB. And then after that QBs were separated by less than a half a percentage point. So that's how much better he was at first downs and touchdowns. All of his plays were valuable. And now we're drafting him again.

Like he's not even a top 12 quarterback the way I'm seeing, I'm seeing him go after the 12 and a lot of these mocks we're doing. So I just think this is easy value right there. Only thing that changed for him is he got a first round wide receiver added to the mix. Ricky Paracel, who's tape I also really like if he plays great, if he doesn't play,

I don't care. They still have so much talent and now they have some you know you know insurance in case some of these guys get injured like you mentioned with debo so love his value the other two jayden daniels i just feel like the value i'm getting on him like you don't have to use anything to get him in a one qb league you just get him in one of your last rounds in a two qb league you're getting him as a qb2 and yet he just had 50 touchdowns last year at college football it. You're getting him as a QB too. And yet he just had 50 touchdowns last year at college football. It's a layup. It's a great call. It's just an easy value layup right there. It makes no sense. I'm not really understanding. Like last year we went crazy with Anthony Richardson. We moved, I'm not saying in a bad way, cause it would have worked if he

stayed healthy. We moved them all the way up to our QB one. I know Jamie loved him much. We all pretty much loved him and it would have worked if he stayed healthy. Why is this name? Not QB1. You said move them up to QB1. No, I mean in the QB1 range. Top 12. Top 12. Yeah, I think up to nine. I saw Jamie maybe at the end.

Yeah, maybe top 10. But why are we not applying that same logic for Jaden Daniels? Well, actually, it was better than Anthony Richardson by a lot in his last college football season. So that's that one. And then Caleb Williams is a conviction thing. I just love his talent. I think he's one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever studied on tape. And I just think with those receivers, he's going to hit the ground running with a 35

touchdown season right away as a rookie and break the rookie passing record. That's one of my bold calls. Caleb Williams will break the rookie passing touchdown record. Okay. Does he, does he become the first Bears quarterback to throw for three, 4,000 yards? Yeah, let's do it. 4,000 breaks the rookie passing touchdown record. That's one of my bold calls.

What's the rookie passing touchdown record? I'm trying to remember what it was now. Because I know, weirdly, Daniel Jones was in the mix his first season, so it's not that much because he threw like 25 that year. What does Baker Mayfield, did Stroud break it? Did Herbert break it? 31, Justin bake it 31 justin herbert okay 31 31 so i'm gonna i'm gonna say he's gonna break herbert's 31 touchdown record yeah all right i'm gonna say let's uh bold call i kind of ran out of time for emails i'm sorry all right listen what's that do a couple all right pete says wants to hear about breakout wide

receivers who aren't rookies and who haven't been that good to start their careers yet post-type sleepers drake london uh post-type sleepers who we got who we got who we got he was thinking of like k Shakir, Quentin Johnson. Maybe Jahan Dotson with the quarterback upgrade. Jameson Williams is an absolute. Again, one thing in common. New systems, new quarterbacks. All the same draft class.

Those are all 30 receivers. Yep. Not Quentin Johnston. No, no, no, no, no. But Jameson Williams, Jahan Dotson, Khalil Shakir, all 30 receivers. Uh-huh. Who else do we like? Let me take a look at our pick-by-pick again.

Yeah, I mean, there are definitely wide receivers who do that. You have Chris Godwin. I mentioned Kenny Galladay didn't have an amazing start to his career. Michael Pittman was kind of quiet. So it happens. I don't think really Michael Wilson is going to be on this list, is he? I mean, late round pick Rashad Bateman.

I think Christian Watson kind of fits the bill. I mean, we've seen it in spurts from him, but... Well, you're... Well, it has to be, right? I mean, you can't be... Oh, you know what? Look, a lot of people, I'm not really in on this,

but I do see it on Twitter and in our comments sometimes that people like Jerry Judy, and that's a guy who has amazing metrics. I mean, he on paper looks like a guy who should be great. It hasn't happened. I'm going to need to see if Deshaun Watson can throw a football after a shoulder surgery first. Where are the targets coming from, too?

Yeah, I don't really see it. Oh, Marvin Mims. Interesting one. Year two. What about Gabe Davis? 200 plus targets available in Jacksonville. Yeah, right? Count me out.

Me too. Please. All right, guys. Oh, wait. I'll read a couple more. Sorry. Who are we keeping? This is from Zach.

It's Superflex. It's half PPR. Can keep two players. I'm already keeping Stroud for $15 out of $200. Remember, it's Superflex. Nice buy. Pacheco for $5. Ayuk for $12. McBride for $5. Dak for $22.

Pacheco for $5. For me. Superflex? Yeah. If I didn't have Stroud, I would consider Dak. Who'd you say, Jamie? Pacheco. Yeah. This is from B. Ross in a duck-populated town, which he later says is Eugene, Oregon. I see what he did there.

Okay. I am the reigning last-place team in my 12-person full PPR two-keeper league. I love you. Wear it with pride. I have traded last season into two first-round picks. However, I'm having difficulty figuring out who I should you. Wear it with pride. I have traded last season into two first-round picks. However, I'm having difficulty figuring out who I should keep. So here are my potential keepers. He gets to keep two of them.

Drake London, Puka Nakua, Mark Andrews, and CJ Stroud. How did he finish last place last year with those three of those guys? I guess London wasn't good. Andrews was hurt. No penalty? No penalty? No penalty? It doesn't seem like it. Did we say super flex for this or no?

No. Okay. No. Give me names again. Drake London, Puka Nakua, Mark Andrews, and CJ Stroud. I'll go London and Puka. Same. All right.

Thank you, B. Ross. Watch out for the duck poo. I have a question. Yes? Without naming names. Curious your thoughts on this. Dan. Trade in a rookie-only draft.

Oh, no, no. Save it for the beginning of a new episode. No, no, no. It's worthy. All right. Fine, fine. No, we'll tease it for tomorrow. Yeah, yeah.

We'll tease it for tomorrow. This is a good one. Save it for Wednesday. I'm on Wednesday. Yeah, Dan's on Wednesday., we'll tease it for tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. We'll tease it for tomorrow. This is a good one. Save it for Wednesday. I'm on Wednesday. Yeah, Dan's on Wednesday. We're talking about it on Wednesday. Is it collusion? Oh, I'd definitely save it for Wednesday.

Definitely save it for Wednesday. Do not read this tomorrow. Oh, hey, by the way, Tuesday, 2 o'clock Eastern, CBS Sports Network. We'll see you there. And we've got a podcast on Tuesday morning, too. So, adios, everybody.