Fantasy Football Today - Dave and Jamey Rankings Disputes! Plus Minicamp News (06/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

We've got so many news items to cover (6:15) with updates on the Jets, Bucs and Jaguars backfields plus why Quentin Johnston could have a big year for the Chargers and which Browns wide receivers have done well in camp ... Starting our rankings disputes with Jaylen Waddle (21:10) and Travis Etienne (28:30). Dave is higher than Jamey on both of these guys. Jamey isn't sure about Waddle's upside. Is Etienne going to be the goal line back for the Saints? Then, we debate Jameson Williams (35:45) who is fascinating because he doesn't get a lot of targets, but he still puts up numbers at the end of the day ... Jamey has made recent changes in his rankings for Makai Lemon (48:15) and David Montgomery (53:15). We spend a lot of time on Montgomery who might not be the most exciting player, but he could have more touches than any other running back in Round 5 or later. And we finish the show talking about random sports stuff! ... Email us at [e-mail] Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcastsWatch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

Welcome to the show, everybody. It is Monday, June 15th. And we are talking about rankings. Ranking subsubes between Dave and Jamie. They don't have a ton of them. We have three of them, and then two little bonuses. Jalen Waddle, Dave much higher than Jamie on Jalen Waddle. Dave much higher on Travis E.T.N.

Then, am I allowed to call him that? Travis A. Chan. Dave is much higher on Travis A. Chan than Jamie. Jamie is higher, not much higher, but higher on Jameson Williams than Dave is. Nine spots higher in the overall rankings, five spots higher at wide receiver. And then going into yesterday when Jamie, updated his rank before Jamie updated his rankings. Jamie was, they were very far apart on Mackay Lemon and David Montgomery.

Jamie has moved those guys closer to where Dave is in the ranking. So if I, hey, Jamie, why did you move McCoy Lemon down? Why did you move David Montgomery up? We will talk about that. And welcome back, Dave. I'm a little frustrated that there aren't more players that Jamie and I are different on. There are, but Adam's lazy. No, so I, no, I'm looking at a receiver rankings and I just, I need to say

this. Jamie and I do not like confer before we post our rankings. We don't say, hey, what do you think of Jamar Chase? Oh, I like them. Yeah, me too. It doesn't happen. We haven't, we haven't done that in, Jamie, have we done that in like 20 years? I would say no.

No. Like the last time we sat at a desk because we had to have one set of rankings between the two of us, that's distant past. I'm looking at our receiver rankings right now. It's uncanny. We have the same top same top 11. It's borderline embarrassing.

I almost want to change my rankings just so it's not this way. But we come up with this independently. And now I'm wondering, like, are we even lucky to have three differences? This is crazy to me. I'm sure if you look at most rankings compared to ADP, there's a lot of similarities with almost everybody. God bless Heath, because Heath is great for this segment. He's always got these outliers.

your quarterback rankings are pretty similar. You have the same, not the same exact top eight, but no one is more than one spot apart in the rankings at quarterback. Like Jaden Daniels is five for Jamie, six for Dave. Jalen Hertz is five for Dave, six for Jamie. Same with Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert. I could have done Trevor Lawrence unless that was just recent change.

I didn't notice Jamie has Lawrence ninth and Dave has Lawrence 12th. And Caleb Williams, two spots apart. Apparently that's huge. But one of the things I wanted to do today is, you know, we've had a lot of content lately. we've talked about the same players kind of over and over again, especially guys in rounds,

I'd say two through four. So we haven't talked a ton about ETN or HN, Travis. David Montgomery, we pretty much never talk about James and Williams. I've been wanting to get into James and Williams for a while. We don't talk about him. I know it seems like Dave, you talk about Waddle a lot,

but I feel like it's been a while since we really went in depth on him. So that's one of the goals today is to... It's been a Waddle. It's been a Waddle. But you guys are both away. So just if you want to tell me real quick, how was your week? I missed you guys. Jamie, eventful week for you.

Yeah, very. Two baseball tournaments, one in Ocala, Florida, one in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. My eight-year-old finished second in the state for his tournament. So now we play in regionals against, I think, eight other states. So that'll be fun in a couple weeks. And then my 11-year-old played in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, which is an amazing tournament, Cal Ripkin tournament. They got to meet Billy Ripkin.

I was late driving from Ocala to Pigeon Forge. My son was already there. So I got to meet Billy Ripkin and play in a really awesome venue in Pigeon Forge. Went 4-1 in pool play, lost in our first elimination game in the goal bracket. But it was great baseball. He did great. And just a really cool city. Really, really fun time.

Fun. So he met Billy Ripkin. did he bring up the baseball card? I don't know. I wasn't there. Does he know about the baseball card? I don't think he does. I think you've got to show him the baseball card.

Yeah. I know this reference, but I don't remember it. Oh, Adam. It's okay if you're younger than Adam and you don't get the reference or if you've never like even touched a baseball card in your life, that's fine. But if you were around in the 80s, 90s, you know, Bill Ripkin for one reason and one reason only. Yes, amazing.

All right, Dave, honestly, I'm sorry. We're getting too long to get into the show. We'll hear about your trip to Vegas in a little bit later. I'm not sharing a single detail. No, come on, the people want to know. News and notes. All right, fine. I did some gardening, volunteered at a morgue, combed the sand in the desert.

What else do you want to know? Oh, you combed the desert? How about that? We found! Ah, all right. All right, news and notes. All right, let's start with Travis E.N. Kellen Moore called Travis E.N.

In every down back. So that's pretty cool. We'll talk about him in a moment. George Pickens did not say a fill-a-tend minicamp, which begins Tuesday. Sean Payton signed a five-year contract extension. All right. Jamie, I'm going to give you a couple of running back.

Actually, three backfield notes here. So this is the second. second straight year where Aaron Glenn, the coach of the Jets, said he wants a three-headed monster in the Jets backfield. It did not play out that way at all. Weeks 1 through 3. When Braylon Allen was healthy, Isaiah Davis had three touches combined. But, okay, there's that.

So Aaron Glenn talked about using three backs. Todd Bowles for the buck saying that Kenneth Gainwell is the one B running back. And by the way, B. Irving did get back on the practice field, which is good news. He's got that shoulder thing. And then John Shipley, it seems like every day we get a. the fun fantasy report, you know, from fantasy relevant report from Shipley covering the Jaguars. He said that the starting running back for the Jaguars hasn't been determined yet.

He also talked to Parker White. He's been very high on a lot of Jaguars players, but no clarity yet in the Jaguars backfield. So we got the Jets, the Bucks, the Jaguars. Jamie, your thoughts there? The Jets, I think, is something Aaron Glenn wants. We'll see what Frank Reich wants and see how this all plays out. Braylin Allen had the best shape of his life quote.

So that's always fun to see for this time of year. Look, I'm sure they want to use their running backs in all of them in some capacity. You know, what makes sense is using Allen and short yardage work and giving him some goaling opportunities, maybe using Isaiah Davis and some passing down opportunities. But I think just in the case of Brees Hall, you hope this drives down his ADP and you get him at a better price than round three. If you get him around four, I think that's just a little bit. of a safer spot for him, given the uncertainty of this team, as we've talked about time and time again,

how many scoring opportunities will he get? Will he be back to that pass catching back that we saw in year two? So as I think there's a lot to love about Bree Saw. I wouldn't necessarily make this something that scares you off. The New Orleans situation is something that we still have to see how it plays out because of Alvin Kumar being there. It would be great if he's on another team. It doesn't seem like that's going to be the case as of now, but you never know. know if a team offers something that a trade package that or any trade offer that makes some

sense for him to want to leave New Orleans and maybe get a chance to play a little bit more. But this is something we'll talk about just with my concerns with Travis A. Chan. And then in the case of the Jaguars, Chris Rodriguez has not been healthy. So the fact that he hasn't been practicing with them is only giving basal tutin more of an opportunity. And I think something to keep in mind is we've said numerous. times since he signed there. He has a history of Liam Cohen.

He's played for Cohen before. This is part of the reason why I'm sure Cohen wanted to get him. He hasn't played for Liam Cohen in, I think it's five years. And so. It was only for one year when he did. And he wasn't even the head coach then. I know it was a position coach. Basial Tutin was in the system last year.

Basial Tutin was, you know, a running back on this team last year. He knows what Liam Cohen wants. And so you referenced me moving. moving David Montgomery. I shuffled, there's like four or five running backs in that range. Part of it was because of the competition of some of the other guys, Chuba Huber, for example, Jonathan Brooks just continues to get more and more positive reports. So I move Hubbard down and move Montgomery up and move Tudin up as well. So Tuton is another guy that, you know, had a jump in the rankings because of the positive training camp reports. And it's not just John

Shipley. Pete Priscoe was there. You know, he's been very impressed with what he was. very impressed with what he saw from the offense, very impressed by Brian Thomas, very impressed by Parker Washington as well, but not to get off topic, but he says Brian Thomas looks like the guy that we saw in his rookie season, which is kind of scary. So that was another guy that was big rankings riser for me. Love seeing the headlines about Brian Thomas being like the all-star at practice or what did he say off-season MVP might have been in the term of the years for Brian Thomas. That's not Prisco, who said, although Prisco, like he told me the same thing he told you. that's what is a big difference from BTJ from last year

because last year apparently he was not practicing very well this year he is man I'd love to see that jump because we know how good he was two years ago with you on tune brees hall like if you don't want to be scared off by the three-headed mottledge for rec history i'll say this again he has always used multiple running backs a running down's back a passing downs back go look at naheen heinz's numbers in indianapolis go look at other stops that Frank Reich had,

San Diego, Philadelphia. There's always been two. Three times in 10 seasons did a running back average 15 plus PPR under Frank Reich. So I am nervous about Brise Hall reaching any kind of ceiling this year. Well, yeah, and just could go back to last year, it wasn't a three-headed monster, the first three, four games.

Isaiah Davis, like I said, three touches the first three games. But Braylin Allen was starting to carve out a role. I mean, it's such a small. ample size. But weeks one and two, Breeshall dominated carries. He had 29 carries and Allen had eight. Week three, Brees Hall had nine carries. Brail and Allen had six. It was a blowout going into the fourth quarter. Week four, Brayland Allen had four carries, but all of them were

on the opening possession. And then he fumbled at the goal line and then he tore his ACL. So I don't know what to make of that, but weeks three and four, it was becoming a more even split. You know, last year I was so high on Brayle Lout. Like that was a guy was, was, you know, drafting almost in every league and, you know, thought he was going to have a role in some capacity. And then obviously if there was a brief hall injury, you know, could have been a lottery ticket, but it just never came to pass because of the injury. We don't know how it would have played up. All right. Let's see. Some more news here. There's really a lot. And then we'll get into the rankings. Braden Gahl writes for Paul Kuharski.com said that

Cam Ward was very inaccurate in practice. Robert Sala's been praising. in Cam Ward. But, you know, we saw it with Jackson Dart, too. These are second year quarterbacks who have new offensive coordinators, and they're going through an adjustment period right now. This was really interesting. Thomas Martinez of Sports Illustrated thinks that Quentin Johnston is going to thrive in Mike McDaniel's offense because of his yak abilities. And, you know, he basically said that Johnston's sort of been miscast as this Mike Williams ex-receiver, that kind of replacement for him. But he's not. He's more, he's going to be better with yak, better after the catch.

And that's what we're going to get quicker passes in this offense from Justin Herbert. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure that Quinn Johnson can do that, but it really seems like Ladd McConkey is much more suited for that. And I went and I watched a lot of tape last night of area of targets to both of those guys from zero to eight air yards. And the way Ladd McConkey can get open on these short routes is just, his route running is unbelievable.

And Johnson is not, to me, he's not as good at that. I don't know. Jamie, who do you think would benefit more from this offense? Johnston or McConkey? So it's funny you reference that because there's been almost nothing said about Latin Maconkey. And sometimes the quiet is almost good. So, like, I'm definitely more in the McConkey camp

and expecting him to have a bounce back season hopefully close to what we saw in his rookie campaign from a production standpoint. But I think in the case of Johnston, this is just a positive. I mean, everything for him really has been a positive. You know, the fact that as of now there's no keynote. I guess that's good for both of them. But no Keenan Allen. You have Mike McDaniel coming in.

You have a guy that gets his fifth year option picked up, a player that just has quietly produced when things around him have been in a, I don't want to say perfect. scenario, but when the offensive line was healthy, last year those first four games, he was, you know, over 17 ppr points per game in those four on average. So I think just looking at it, like he's one of the best values you can find. This was another guy that moved up about 10 spots in my rankings and, you know, may get, you know, right now he's at 39 at receiver. He may get close to 30, you know, by the time this gets to August. Like, I'm just excited about him.

Back-to-back gears with eight touchdowns. I mean, you know, I'm all in on the charters this year. So I think just looking at it, like, he may price himself out of just being that late round-ish type of guy, you know, back end of the mid-round selections. But there's just so much upside here. You know, I mean, if Mike McDaniels' offense takes hold with Justin Herbert being a significant upgrade over to a Tonga Vailoa, and it's just more targets and more opportunities for everybody. I mean, Quentin Johnston, it wouldn't shock me if he's a 10 touchdown guy. Again, eight touchdowns eat the last two years. And, you know, it should be over 1,000 yards if he stays healthy. Can he get you 75 catches?

I think that's realistic, you know, so just an easy auto pick when you get to that, you know, fourth receiver spot in your roster. Okay. Let's see. Chris Olavis still recovering. So I mentioned this, I think, on Thursday show, which, by the way, Thursday's show we had Ryan Heathon, and he said his pick to be the next. JSN is Ladd-McConkey.

So go back and listen to that if you all are interested. It was fascinating stuff. What do you say? I said that's interesting. Yeah, he's basing it on the personnel change, that they're going to go to a lot more two receiver sets. And when receivers are on the field with fewer wide receivers on the field, you know, full backs instead of receivers or blocking tight ends instead of receivers,

they're going to get targeted more often. It happened for JSN last year. He speculates McConkey is the best bet for that. Um, anyway, uh, yeah, Chris Olava is something I think we mentioned at the end of Thursday show. Let's keep an eye on it here, uh, you know, see if he's ready for training camp, but he's got, he had the blood clot. He still hasn't fully recovered from it. I mean, there are some interesting tea leaves here, are they not? Hasn't been practicing. The team just took Jordan Tyson with their first pick, top 10 pick.

They haven't extended Olive yet. I'm not going to get worried now. I'm still going to draft him like everything's cool. But if we get to training camp and he's, on the Pup list or not practicing. You kind of can smell that something's up here. Dolphins note. Omar Kelly of the Miami Herald says Malik Willis needs to improve his processing, get through the reads faster, and he thinks Jalen Tolbert has separated himself

from the other wide receivers. In the same article, he said that none of the wide receivers, I think he said none of them would be starting on other teams. I think he's right about that. Yeah. The NFL is no longer reviewing Stefan Diggs, violating the personal conduct policy, so Diggs could sign soon.

Seems like there won't be any suspension or anything like that. The Falcons got some tackle depth, offensive tackle depth, acquiring Juan Yamaris from the Chiefs for a swap of late round picks. And Tony Rank of the Denver Post said Evan Ingram is looking good and could be more involved in the offense. Take that for what it's worth.

Harold Fanon Jr. missed all of OTAs and mini-camp with an undisclosed injury. and we had a report from ESPN that Isaiah Bond and Denzel Boston were the most targeted receivers in minicamp and OTAs. There's been a lot of Boston buzz, but Bond, apparently he added 15 pounds of muscle. He wants to be more than just a deep threat. He wants to work in the middle of the field. And he was a late round pick, but that was because two years ago. He wasn't.

Was he a late round pick or was he undrafted? I think he was undrafted. Oh, was? Okay. Well, that was because of off-field stuff. Yep. You know, he was certainly more talented than that. I mean, I think we were preparing for Isaiah Bond to maybe be a day two pick.

And then the sad news that Alden Smith was just such an unbelievable player. And unfortunately, tragically passed away on Saturday at age 36. He played for the Niners, the Raiders, and the Cowboys. Alden Smith, top 10 pick, just terrific talent and really sorry to see the news. All right, we're going to take a break here. When we come back, we get into our rankings disputes on fantasy football today. Welcome back, folks. At the end of the show,

we had an interesting comment on YouTube about which sport has the best athletes. Football players are the best athletes. Soccer players are the best. And I don't mean European football. I mean the different sports. Someone had a comment. I thought it was interesting.

We're going to talk about it. Don't forget to listen to Beyond the Box Score. You got their own YouTube channel. You can watch it there. You can listen to the audio feed, whatever it is. Beyond the Box score, great stuff. Rankies disputes.

Here we go. Jalen Waddle, 30. 49th for Dave in the overall rankings, 56th for Jamie, and Heath has him closer to Jamie, but in the middle, 49th overall. Dave loves Waddle. And you have since the trade, you've been excited about this fit. I think anytime you've got a receiver with the potential to get, let's call it 90 catches, 1,000 plus yards, 7 plus touchdowns, I think you have to at least make plans to target somebody

like that if the draft price is appropriate. And I think when we're talking about Jaylen Wall, I'm not sure of his ADP as far as consensus goes, but I like him round four, maybe even late round three and full PPR. I think he can get you there. And I think he can actually get you higher than that. I think Denver's changing their offense around.

I would expect them to have a lot more air raid concepts with Davis Webb calling plays. That means a lot of shorter throws, design screens, slants, stuff like that. Those are all things that we've seen Jalen Wattle do well at in the past. We've also seen Waddle do well on intermediate stuff and deep stuff, and that'll be included into what the Broncos are doing.

They needed somebody like this. They needed somebody with versatility and speed in their offense because they couldn't make it happen with some of the other receivers that they had, the Marvin Mims, the Troy Franklin's, etc. Pat Bryant, another name to throw on there. I think Waddle is going to be a big deal in Denver. And I'm going to want to have somebody with that type of target opportunity on my fantasy team. I know that he hasn't been great for fantasy the last two years in Miami.

There's a reason for it. He was on my bus list for it. It was because Tyree Kill was there. Devon A. Chan was there. They had a quarterback who was getting rid of the ball as fast as he possibly could because he didn't want to get hit. That obviously helped A. Chan quite a bit in the checkdown game. And it took away opportunities from Jalen Wattle. I think there's a huge upside here. And I want to bank on that when I'm drafting. Love to get them as a wide receiver too. If you're in a draft where people aren't in love with them and you get them as your wide receiver three, I think you're going to really be happy with it. Last point, 12 games with six plus targets in 2025.

He had at least 14 PPR points and eight of them. That's in Miami. Different offense, worst quarterback. He's going to be in a better situation now. I'm buying Jalen Wattle. All right. I'll cue up, Jamie. Go ahead, Jamie.

I thought maybe you'd just jump in there. No, no, no. What do you expect him to average points per game, Dave? I think he can get to 14 points per game. Okay. I hope so. That's what he was at the start of his career when there was nobody really to share targets with from 2021 to 2023. The last two years, 9.9 points and 12.1 points per game.

And my concern is, and somebody just brought us up in the chat, is Cortland Sutton. And so you mentioned Tyreek Hill, and obviously Cortland Sutton is not Tyree Kill. That goes without saying. But what we've seen from this offense, and if you just want to go by last year where they were top five in past attempts, with 615. The number one guy in terms of targets was Cortland Sutton at 134 targets, right? No, I'm sorry, 124 last season, 135 was a year before. Second on the team was Troy Franklin with 104.

And so will they continue to spread the ball around to a point where Jalen Wattle doesn't get the targets that he needs to be this level of production that you're talking about? I think he'll be just a little bit below that, which is why he's ranked a little bit lower. and I wouldn't take him probably till mid-round four at the earliest. I would prefer to get him in round five. You mentioned target opportunities, and I'm just looking at guys that I have ranked around him, and I can see the same target opportunities for DJ Moore in Buffalo,

maybe better, Ladd-McConkie and for the Chargers, better. Terry McClorne is certainly better from a target standpoint. All those guys I would take ahead of Jalen Waddle. And so sudden turning 30, you know, is he going to start to really take a downturn in production and really more so opportunities. Is Troy Franklin just going to disappear? Is Pat Bryant not going to be a part of this?

Is Marvin Mims not going to be a part of this? That's certainly a possibility. And then you look at the run game and does, Sean Peyton, we know, very big fan of throwing to his running backs. You know, now they had another guy in Jonah Coleman. You just got the report that Adam said about Evan Ingram. He's still going to be a part of this.

I know not a big part of this. So it's not so much that Jalen Waddle shouldn't be the best receiver in Denver. It's not so much that he shouldn't have an opportunity to get a very good number two wide receivers. receiver. I just don't see the heights that you expect him to get to. So that's my concern is that he's going to be part of the mix, the top of the leaderboard there in terms of opportunities and the chance to be the best receiver for the Broncos. I almost in step with these projections from sports line, which is I would give him more targets. I would say he's in the 120 range. They have him at

114. I think 75 to 80 catch is realistic right around 1,000 yards receiving. They have in 975. Six touchdown is realistic. He's number 24 for me at wide receiver sport from the 25. I think that's exactly where he should go. I think he's going to have to do well on deep balls. It's been the worst part of Bo Nix's career so far. He's just miserable.

30 or more area yards is okay, but once he starts throwing really downfield, he's just awful. And he's going to need to hit Jalen Waddle, who's got to be the best deep ball threat. One other thing that concerns me, Jalen Waddle had a career high eight end zone targets last year.

I don't really want Cortland Sutton. It's one thing when he's the undisputed number one wide receiver on the Broncos, which he actually wasn't for a stretch. They were like a six, seven game, whatever last year. I saw this not a Coralyn Sutton thing, but that is something that Sutton has been great at. 14 or more end zone targets,

four straight years for Sutton. And we see that sometimes with guys. Like they just get tariff. targeted in the end zone. So I think touchdowns could be like six receiving touchdowns is the projection for sports line. And I think that makes a lot of sense with Sutton there. So I think if you're drafting Waddle hoping that he wins often on deep balls, I think

you'll be disappointed for that reason because of what you said, Bo Nix isn't a great deep ball thrower. And I'll concede that in the red zone, Sutton's going to get more work than Waddle. It might be close. Wouldn't be surprised if it's 14 end zone targets for Sutton and like nine for Waddle. I'm just expecting target versatility plus volume to go Waddle's way. Well, Bo Nix is a guy who has been kind of a boomer bust player on a week-to-week basis. Or sure.

Waddle will be, you know, a lot of highs. And honestly, that's probably going to be the case for a lot of wide receivers drafted in his range. All right, to wrap it up on Waddle. I mean, just speaking to Bo Nix, I know the reports have been positive. He's coming off a broken ankle. Yeah. Just to wrap it up on Waddle. Dave has him as wide receiver 17.

In full PPR, Jamie and Heath have him as wide receiver 24. His ADP is... Should be 18. Okay. But it's the same neighborhood. His ADP is wide receiver 23 right now on Fantasy Pros. Next up, Travis A-chan. 30th in the overall rankings for Dave, 44th for Jamie.

Question for Jamie. What is the, you know, Camara part of this? If Camara were released tomorrow or something, where would A. Chan, Travis A. Chan move. Five or six spots up. Okay, so not quite to where Dave has it. And the overall rankings, you know, probably one or two spots in the running back ranking.

All right. So Dave, you're going to be the high guy on Travis, E.T.N. H.N. Regardless. And go ahead to discuss. I'm afraid I'm not high enough. I've got him 16th. And he's behind Jacobs, Jeremiah Love, Kyron Williams. Obviously, if there's issues with Jacobs that keep him off the field, he'll go ahead of

Jacobs. but Jeremiah loves in a bad spot. I love the talent, but don't love the spot. Kiron Williams, there's always the Blake quorum dagger hanging over his head. I don't look at Alvin Camara as some kind of big threat to Travis Achan. And I love what Kellan Moore came out and said this past week about how he sees him as a three down back. He wants to use him creatively.

This is an offense on the rise. They're going to have a lot of plays. They're going to run at a fast pace. They've got a good offensive line. And they're in a winnable division. They could run away with the division. I also see a team that's got a bad defense. And so if we're talking about an offense on the rise that's going to play a lot of high-scoring games that should put points on the board,

hell yeah, I'm going to want the engine of that offense. And that's Travis A-chan. And I do think he can get, Jamie, you asked me how many points per game. Do I think Waddle could average? I said 14. I think A-chan can bust through 15 and maybe get to 16. I think it's such a good spot for him. I think he'll get the targets.

I think he'll do well and want this guy to be my RB2 if I can make it happen. I don't mind him as my RB2. I would just take him later than you would obviously. You say get to 16 points per game. Last year was one of the best seasons of his career, 14.9 points per game. We're going to an offense that this is the Camara part of it, that the coach does not have a great history of throwing to his running backs. And now the guy who is probably best suited to play on passing downs is still staying there.

So, yes, they're going to use him hopefully as a three-down back, but I can't imagine if Alvin Kamar is there. They're not going to use him in some obvious passing-down situations. They're going to use him to spell Travis A. Chan at some point on running downs too. And so that's got to be a factor in how you approach drafting Travis A-chan, who in two of his four seasons has been miserable, and two of his four seasons has been obviously very good last year being one of them.

So yes, the offense is on the rise, without a doubt. Yes, he's going to be what should be as close to a featureback as you would hope for based on the contract that they gave him. I just wish there wasn't that potential of Camara still being there and the fact of what Kellan Moore does not do throwing to his running backs. I don't think this is a 2,000-yard guy like he had in. Philadelphia with Sequin Barclay, I think that's obvious. Oh, of course.

He does have an injury track record as well. So I think when you look at Travis A-chan to draft him in round three, to me is crazy. I don't mind him in round four. And I would honestly prefer if I can get him later than that in round five, which I don't think is realistic. But the receptions really is the thing that scares me the most because if Camero's there, like we could be looking at a 30 catch guy. There's a lot of faith in the Saints offense this year, I would say.

And got a lot of faith in Kellan Moore. Are you guys worried about Tyler Shuck taking a step back? You have to be. Yeah, Dave, what's your concern there? And if that did happen, how would that affect ETN? Obviously, it would be bad if it happened. But I think Tyler Shuck can be as good as he was last year, maybe a little bit better. Let's not forget that they added Tyson.

Hopefully Oliva is okay. Two speedy receivers, plus whatever they get out of Juan Johnson threatening defenses could keep some boxes light. I think that would help A. Chan too. I don't want to, I don't want to overrate A. Chan and say that he's like Devon A. Chan and that he's going to go and get a ton of catches or anything like that. I think Jamie's on par with that. I think he made 30, 40 catches for Travis A. Chan makes a lot of sense.

But I think he's going to get a lot of carries. And I don't think you have to worry about who the goal line running back is going to be any more in New Orleans either. I think it's going to be Travis A. Chan. I think he'll do well there. and I think just being part of a high-scoring offense, I'm going to want running backs on teams that score points. It's kind of a simple theory.

I hope you're right about the goal line thing, but A-chan, Travis A-chan, has been really bad at the goal line. And he was bad in college, too. And the Jaguars seemed to look for reasons and players to replace him with at the goal line. In four years, he has 28 carries from the three-yard line or closer. He has scored nine times on those. the other running backs who are in the same range, 27 to 31 carries from that range,

they've all scored at least 12 to 14 touchdown runs, only nine for ETIN. So I don't know, he's not, sorry, A, Chan. He just hasn't been very good there, but there's just not a very good depth chart. I think that's the appeal for me. It's just like Jeffs. So if we're going to pull A. Chan from the goal line in New Orleans there,

is that an area where Camara could take some numbers away from him? No, he hasn't been that good there either. I, okay. And then so now we're looking at Devin Neal, Kendra Miller, do they bring Taysome Hill back? Like, I don't know what they're going to do there. So by default, I would lean toward Achan being that guy. I know he hasn't done well there in the past.

Maybe the bulked up offensive line will help him. Maybe that's where Shuck uses his legs a little bit more. So, okay, fine. I don't think A. Chan's going to score like 15 touchdowns or anything like that. He's not going to, he's not, Jamie said he's not going to be like Sequan Barkley and Seekwant Barclay's biggest year. but he's going to get a lot of opportunities and he should be able to do well with them.

We saw it last year he averaged almost 15 ppr points per game. This is going to be a good offense and a good environment to be in. I don't have a problem taking Travis A. Chan in round three. Okay. One more rankings dispute before we hit a break and it's Jameson Williams. So by the way, seeing some comments in the chat, if you're a dedicated diehard listener and you want to hear me talk about the New York Knicks,

just stick around to the end because I'm happy to do it. Also, congratulations to the Carolina Hurricanes with a nice 3-0 win last night. And they are Stanley Cup champions. And yeah, it's kind of, it's a little bit of a letdown just in terms of sports watching because I've really been enjoying most nights being able to watch one of those finals. But getting ready for Friday. USA World Cup, got off to a good start. Let's make it 2 and 0.

Friday. What about Tuesday? What's that? We're playing Tuesday? No. What does your baseball team play? Oh, is it Yankees White Sox this week? Yes.

A huge showdown in the American League. Yeah, only one has their big home run hitter. No, neither of them has their big one. Oh, that's right. They're both out. We have Ben Rice. All right. Anyway, Jameson Williams.

Jameson, whoever that is. Jameson William, 68th overall for Jamie, wide receiver 30. 77th overall for Dave, wide receiver 35. in PPR. Heath has him also as wide receiver, he has him as wide receiver 26. He should be the dude to talk about Jameson Williams. But fascinating player, PPR is definitely his worst format. He's just not a high catch guy. He's one of the most efficient wide receivers in the NFL two years in a row, top five in yards per target. But Jamie, you'll take him as wide receiver 30, whereas Dave

has him as wide receiver 35. I know it's not a huge difference, but let's talk about James and Williams. Jamie? Yeah, you see a sports line if you're watching the show as wide receiver 21. So, you know, even more so more positive about, more excited about Jameson Williams and Heath is. I think the thing that there's two things that kind of keep pulling me back to Jameson Williams, which is one, who exactly is going to be calling place here for Detroit? Because what do we see last year when, when Dan Campbell took over, play calling duties, is when Jameson Williams took off? Now, that coincided with Sam Leporter dealing with the back injury. And what is Sam Leporter dealing with right now?

A back injury that's still keeping him off the field. So you have two things that play here. Is Leporta going to be 100%? Will he stay 100% for the entire season? And then will Dan Campbell continue to call plays as opposed to Drew Petsing, you know, Steve Petsing, Mike Petsing, you know, being the one that's actually the one in charge of all this. So the thing about James and Williams is,

and I think it's like, you know, where I have him ranked, he's in a similar range of Christian Watson, who I like better, but similar type of player. Same range as Marvin Harrison, who has yet to obviously take that step forward. Same range as Alec Pierce. And you talk about all these guys and what are they known for? Big plays and probably going to have to score a lot of touchdowns, not a lot of volume in terms of their reception totals and targets. Well, Jameson Williams has shown you that he can do that. Jameson Williams' resume is better than those guys.

He's on an offense that you can argue is better than those guys as well. and so can he continue to do that and be as productive and still be, you know, a very capable two? I don't think he's a 1B. I don't think that's fair to Amon Ra St. Brown. So I'm expecting Leporto to get a huge boost because of the coach and his history of, you know, making plays and the tight end benefiting in that type of offense, the Kevin Stafansky system. But what if that doesn't happen? And Campbell's still, you know, pulling the strings a little bit. I think Jameson Williams is still a very good number three receivers.

So whether you like him at 30 or 35, whether you like him at 26, once you start to get in those range of receivers, you know, I'm going to guess knowing Keith, he probably has him ahead of Devante Adams and Mike Evans, certainly head of Evans. I know he's not a big Evans guy. All these guys are going to have to score a lot of touchdowns, in my opinion. And Jameson Williams, I think seven is a realistic number. Like if you're saying touchdown potential, Jameson Williams versus Jalen Waddle, I would take Jameson Williams upside from a touchdown score, even though he's going to get much less targets. Uh, yes. Okay, we're going to get Dave's rebuttal. It's only five spots. Much fewer targets. Excuse me. Let me say, correct. Yeah, yeah. And he only, pretty much only needs a hundred targets to be good. If he can get that, he should be pretty good. Um, but there's so much to discuss here. Um, all right. So we'll be right back. We'll take a quick break and talk more about James and Williams. I'll just leave you with this fun stack because Jamie's confident, somewhat confident in the touchdowns.

Over the last two years, James and Williams has 10 touchdowns of 30 or more yards. He is tied with Jamar Chase for the most in the NFL. No other wide receiver has more than five touchdowns of 30 or more yards. Chase and Jamo have 10. So you need them. You need those big plays. If you don't get them, it could be trouble, but he gives them to you. All right, we'll be right back on fantasy football today.

So Jamie's comfortable taking Jameson Williams as a number three receiver. It's worth noting he's been a number two receiver basically two years in a row. I think he was 26th per game in full PPR two years ago. And last year he was 21st per game in full PPR. But in nine and half he's been top 24, two straight years. And of course, two years ago, he actually had averaged more fantasy points per game than he did in 2025, but finished much worse in the overall standings. Okay, Dave, anything you want to add on JMO?

Well, I want to say, first of all, that James and Williams, talent-wise, is amazing. And I was intoxicated by it last year. I got him on so many of my fantasy teams in the first half of the year. He was such a disappointment. And then Jamie laid it out. Dan Campbell took over the play calling. Sam LaPorte got hurt. Next thing you know, this dude's averaging over seven targets per game and 16 ppr points per game.

And he's a hell of fun wide receiver to have on your fantasy squad. I am nervous that that was not what reality will be in 2026. I believe Petzing has already confirmed that he'll be the play caller for Detroit. His track record at worst, he's been top six in multi-tight end personnel sets in each of his three years in Arizona. His tight end saw a 33% target share in each of those years. They've added Tyler Conklin. That's not a big deal for fantasy,

but it is for the type of personnel that they want to use. Laporta sounds like he's going to be ready to go for training camp. Cocklin's there, Brock Wright's there, they're going to use a bunch of two tight-end sets, just like a lot of other teams are going to end up doing. Jameson Williams, he's never really been good when Sam LaPorteur has been playing. No, that's the myth. That's the myth that last half. There have been 24 games when Laporta's had six or more targets.

Jameson Williams has been a non-factor all but five times. But that's six or more targets. That's not playing. Okay, because there are plenty of games where Sam Laporta plays and he doesn't get six or more targets. If you look at the last, I want to say nine games of 2024, Jared Goff was throwing the ball a ton. So that's the first thing. But you had about a 20% target share for Jameson, 26.5% target share for St. Brown, which is a huge number, which is an important number. Because last year's target share, St. Brown's target share was over 30%.

If it's 26.5%, then we've got room for all three guys. But my point is, second half of 2024, Jamo out targeted Sam Laporta and was, awesome. And Leporta missed one game. He missed one game. But if you just look at it and you're not counting that game. Well, if you just look at their 17. You're not counting that game. If you look at their 17 game paces or their targets per game, James out targeted Sam Leporta in that stretch. So that's the most important. That was two years and three play callers ago. But that's the most important thing for me to tell people is that I don't think it's as simple as Sam Leporta was healthy and James stunk.

Sam LaPorte got hurt and James and James was great because yes, that is true from 2025. It is not true of 2024. And I think that's just an important thing to put on Jamos' resume. I think when you look at James and Williams, you got to think about Devante Smith with A.J. Brown. Like, they're very similar in terms of you're going to get some spike weeks.

You're going to get some disappointing weeks. By the end of the season, he may end up, you said, a number two wide receiver. I think that's been the case for DeVante Smith most of his career as well. Like, there's going to be just some disappointing weeks. that you have to deal with. So to me, he's the ideal boom-bust wide receiver three.

And when you get those big weeks, you probably win your week because he has those, no, two touchdown potential games. Doesn't mean he needs a lot of volume to get there. It doesn't mean he needs or needs to have a lot of catches to get there. I think in the chat, Mike D for three says it best. He's a trick-or-treat fantasy guy, so hard to predict the spike games. But when he has those spike games, you're great. Right.

So you'll love him in best ball. He's a little bit more appealing in non-PPR. because I don't think we can expect him to see much more. Seven targets per game. Sure. But I agree with that, that he's a boom or bust wide receiver three.

To me, he's sort of a placeholder between the wide receiver three is that I think can not only be like their floor is inconsistency, but their ceiling is that they can finish as a wide receiver two and all the other wide receiver three is with question mark. So as an example, I've got him ahead of Pierceall, Tyson, Godwin, Jordan Addison, Jacoby Myers.

I don't think that's same much. But to me, he's behind pretty much every other receiver that Jamie name when we started talking about Jamo, guys I think still have upside to be consistent. Wide receiver threes, if not wide receiver twos. That's the Alec Pierce's, Marvin Harrison Jr.'s. BTJ is ahead of Jamison Williams for me. I love the talent. I just don't love the spot.

If he were on a different team, he could be in just such a better situation. and be used so much more effectively. But it is what it is. He's not going to get more targets in St. Brown. And if we're going to trust Drew Petting's track record with tight ends, that means that Sam Laporta is the guy that you're going to want to get first. And Jamo's going to be the guy that you put on your bench, and then you have questions every week about whether or not you start him.

Last thing on Jamo, again, he's wide receiver 30 for Jamie, 35 for Dave. This is full PPR, which is his worst format. And of all the players in fantasy football, he might be, he's among the most format dependent. Um, low catch, a lot of touchdowns, a lot of yards per catch. Um, anyway, his ADP on CBS, it's 30th at wide receiver. On draft sharks and, and fantasy pros, full PPR, it's 24 and 25. That's too early.

Because that's almost best case scenario. Well, again, look at sports like. Yeah, I'm 21st. I mean, a guy with 63 catches for this season, I just don't see how that. that's going to be 21st, but all right, fair enough. He's super lovable because he's so fast and he's improved his game, seems to have his head on straight. Like, he's easy to root for.

He's easy to want on your fantasy team. But just the track record and the environment that he's in this year, especially, let's put it this way. If you're not a believer in Laporta, then yeah, go get Jameson, or if you're not a believer in Amon Ross St. Brown, but why the hell would you not be a believer in a Monrois? It wouldn't shock me if his ADP rises if Leporta's injury lingers more.

Oh, and then you can take everything that I just said and throw it in the closest dumpster. Because if there's no Leporta, the track record is there that James will see an uptick in targets. I got to say, I think if Amon-Ras-St. Brown has a target share over 30% or 30% or higher,

I think one or both of Leporta and James is going to be a bust. Then Amar-R-Stan-Bron's rank too low. Yeah, seriously. He's been close to 30%. He had it last year. but two years ago, two years ago when both guys were healthy,

it was about 26, 27%. But even last year, when both guys were healthy, it was like 31.5% or something. He had a huge bump in target share last year. He did. He averaged almost two more targets per game last year. Yeah, 31.3% last year.

It was 27% in 2024. And 2024 was a good year for JMO. And I think it was a good year for LaPorta, too. I don't really remember. remember exactly. Yeah, that was his second year, right? Yeah. It wasn't amazing, but it was good.

All right, Jamie made a couple of rankings adjustments. Mackay Lemon down to wide receiver 45. Dave has Lemon at wide receiver 51. Heath currently has him at wide receiver 43. Jamie, you also move David Montgomery up from RB27 to RB23, which is exactly where Dave has him. And Heath is at RB27 from Montgomery now. But let's start with Lemon.

Why did you move him down? I think it was, what, 25-ish spots? in the overall rankings, maybe more? His injury. I mean, the fact that he's hurt now is not encouraging. So he gets healthy for camp. He'll move up a few spots. But it was a lot of reshuffling with that whole wide receiver group.

Moving Thomas up, moving Washington up, moving downs up higher, moving Pierce all up a few spots. I'm trying to think of the other guys that shuffled around there. I moved Tyson down too, just the injury for both those guys. So I was probably too high on them to begin with. And then just dropping both of them, you know, behind a handful of wide receivers. was a big reason why. But the fact that Lemon's not healthy right now is not encouraging. I don't care about the Don Tavian Wix doing well as the number two receiver.

That's more, I think just the fact that that Lemon is not there. But obviously the fact that, you know, injuries are never, never encouraging, soft tissue injuries, never encouraging at all, especially for someone that's got to learn a playbook and get on the same page as a quarterback. So I'm hoping for a strong second half from a Kylan. I'm expecting a slow start for him just based on, you know, if he misses any time in training camp. Yeah. I'm scared that.

I'm going to draft Mackay Lemon and end up cutting him after the first three or four weeks because he doesn't get off to a big start. Yeah, there could be like a Washington running back that you like that might. Oh, okay. I always forget that guy's name. Who was it again?

That you dropped him for? I dropped Jefferson for. Peyton, the Beefcake Barber. Nice going. But it happens to all of us. We all make mistakes. Some are just worse than others. I would say that Lemon,

I think Lemon fits into what Philadelphia wants to do with Sean Manning calling the plays. And I'm not surprised that Dom Tavian Wix is getting some fluff after minicamp because he was in this offense last year. It's Green Bay's offense. It's a West Coast offense. Same stuff that's being run over like three quarters of the league. But Lemon is like perfect against zone coverage,

finding those soft spots, making plays after the catch. He has good hands. It's about whether or not Jalen Hertz is going to be willing to throw to those spots. I think he can. I just don't. I don't know if I really want to, I don't want to, this is almost the same thing I said about Jameson Williams. I love the talent. I hate the situation for him. And on top of that, this is going to be a team in Philadelphia that's not going to throw the ball a ton. They just don't

do that. And so I love Lemon, got him on my dynasty team and all that jazz, but I'm, I'm expecting maybe the second half of this year, maybe 2027 is when we start to see him really flash and make a big impact. Do you really love lemon or are you just saying that? What do you mean? Sorry, I've tried to find the exact quote. You said you love lemon, but it's like, do you really love lamp or are you just saying that? Because it's the first thing you saw. His last name is lemon, not lamp. I know, but it sounded like, you're like, I love lemon. It sounded like I love lamp. All right. And then David Montgomery. I don't know how your brain works. It's weird. Yeah. That is something about me is that I'm often reminding.

of random movie and TV quotes. It happens. Sure. I do too. I just don't say them out loud. Some people probably heard you say, I love lemon and thought about... Did anybody in the chat think of I love Lamp when I said I love Lemon?

Jamie, did you think of I Love Lamp? No. Someone said... Jamie's brain is working fine. Someone in the chat said, Brick killed a guy. That's true. That's a great movie.

It really is. What's the best... What's the best Will Ferrell movie? I think Anchorman might be there. Elf is up there, obviously. Anchorman or elf. Taladega Naites has good time. Oh, here comes Thomas with a hot take.

No, no hot takes. Okay. I'm waiting for you guys to say something else that was stupid. Well, I think you could say old school. I just don't know if you'd call that a... No, that's not a Will-Farrow movie. Okay, yeah. Then it's Anchorman.

Okay. Why is that not a Will-Farrell movie? Because he's not the main star. Yeah. I mean, I guess a Luke Wilson. movie, but I know, but he had a lot of great quotes in old school. He was great in old school, but I see where you're coming from. Oh, yeah, Step Brothers gets a lot of love here, but it's definitely, it's Anchorman. Frank the Tank. Frank the Tank's the best. All right, Jamie, you move

David Montgomery up four spots. So now Dave had him at RB 23 and you had him at 27. I thought we had a little rankings dispute on our hands, but now you both have him at RB 23. Why did you move David Montgomery out? The Mini-K reports. You know, just the fact that it sounds like he's going to be the bell cow. Not that that was a huge surprise, but I think just all the positivity coming out of Houston just in what they're going to do with him. The fact that they use them as a receiver a little bit more was said also.

So it had as much to do with the reshuffling, though, of like I said, I moved Hubbard and Pollard down, and those two guys were ahead of Montgomery, so moving Montgomery ahead of them as well. Yeah, I wondered, have you guys been influenced at all by the Zach Charbonnet appearances at practice, and they haven't ruled him out for week one, you know. I don't think week one,

but I think that's a huge positive sign for him coming back, like maybe late October or early November. You know, so, you know, there was, he may not play at all this season. There was, you know, maybe if they make the playoffs, he's there for a late push to help them get there. I mean, that was huge, you know, to see him out there. So it has to influence you a little bit with DeDarion Price.

The fact that, you know, he's still running, sharing first team reps with George Halani. that was another switch I made, you know, moving Hulani ahead of Emmanuel Wilson. I was more Wilson than Hulani. So I think that's a positive for Hulani if you're looking for a late-round pick. But yeah, I think you've got to be, you know, worried to some degree about Charbonnet coming back because when he does, he's going to have some semblance of a role. And look, Price is another guy that had very positive reports in Mining Camp also about

the coaching staff being surprised. I think it was Steve Weiss from the NFL network saying, speaking to Mike McDonald, that they were really surprised by his past. catching ability because we didn't see that 15 receptions in his time at Notre Dame, not exactly the type of numbers you want to see, but I think we all knew that he was capable of it. And I think I referenced on one of the shows. Like he had a 30 catch season in high school, and I think you said Adam, that was probably

one game. But he, you know, I think proving that he can be, you know, more of just a first and second down guy is big for price. But, you know, look, if Charbonnet is pushing to return sooner than later, whether that's good for his fantasy value or not, it's certainly something that's going to be impactful on Price's outlook and ADP for sure. Yeah. Let me just get it back to David Montgomery here. Sorry to go off subject here. I don't, I mean, this is not an insult, but when you think about Montgomery compared to some other players in his range, like younger guys, like Scataboo goes a little bit earlier,

Quinchan Judkins and Janari and Price, he's just kind of boring, isn't he? I mean, you don't get fired up thinking about Montgomery. You're just excited about the opportunity to have more touches than anyone in his range. Why do we love Jamo? Because he makes highlight real plays. What does David Montgomery do? He'll give you a bunch of five to 11-yard runs. Will he give you a 30-yard run?

Maybe if the defense makes a mistake, he will. But other than that, no, he's a grinder. And he's a 29-year-old grinder at that. But he's a 29-year-old grinder who's had, he had 100. 158 carries last year, 350 total carries in the past two years, that includes a postseason game. So there's still some tread left on the tire, and he's on a team that likes to play conservatively, got a good defense, probably going to be in a bunch of, you know, situations where he'll get a lot of carries. He's definitely going to be their goal line guy.

Yeah. And I look this up. There's been 11 games in the past two years when he's had 15 or more touches. He's been north of 15 PPR points and seven of those 11. Touchdowns have been a factor. I think he's going to score a decent amount of touchdowns. I think he's a good RB2, probably closer to the low end and more interesting in non-PPR and half-ppr than full PPR.

But he's in a good spot. He's got a great opportunity to put up numbers, and it might be for the last time in his career. Here's the difference in two guys that we talked about today. Travis A. Chan is going to a team that everybody sees as an offense that's on the rise. He's coming off a big season, and there's reason for excitement when you talk about what his capability is. and hopefully what his production is. David Montgomery, if this was two years ago

and he's coming off still a very productive scene and now you're saying, okay, he goes from sharing with Jemir Gibbs to the featured guy in Houston after what Joe Mixon had just done, oh my God, there would be a lot more excitement for David Montgomery. Maybe not the same,

but there'd be a lot more excitement. You're talking about Montgomery coming off one of the worst year, or the worst year of his career and to a team that feels as boring as it is, plus with a backfield that's really been in shambles since Joe Mixon left. So it's like, oh, why should I get excited about him?

Why should I want to draft him? Oh, he's got to score a lot of touchdowns to do it. Will he do it? He's not going to be involved in the passing game. So I think, like, if you're talking about, not to compare it to, but if you're just situations, you know, like if you're talking about gravitating towards somebody, you're going to gravitate toward the guy that looks like he's going to have a huge upside versus the boring-ish type of player.

Montgomery may end up being like a better value pick for just talking about two guys that changed teams. And just to lay it out here, what did Mixen do in his big year? It was all the way back in 2024. So I know no one here can remember this. But 12 total touchdown, 17 PPR points per game. I think that's a breakthrough the ceiling type of stat combo for David Montgomery. I don't think he could do that well.

But he can still do pretty well. I think he can outperform ADP for sure. It's such a good point. First of all, Montgomery did average four and a half yards per carry last year. So if you're going, oh, no one looks at that, but you. That's not true. But I was about to say, I mean, it didn't really feel that way. You know, he had one game against Baltimore where he went berserk.

But he lost, you know, he lost his role. He became more of a part-time player in the second half of the season. At the Cincinnati game, right? That was a big game, too. Cincinnati game, he threw a touchdown. But that was his homecoming game, right? It was his homecoming game. He had a three touchdown game, I believe.

But the Baltimore game, I think he had a 72-yard run in that game. Cincinnati, he had 18 carries, 65 yards. He had two touchdown. game. And one rushing touchdown and he threw a touchdown. He scored 20 fantasy points. Baltimore, he scored 29.4. Anyway, yeah, Nixon is a good call. I didn't really think about that, but why can he be Joe Mixon? Mixon averaged 4.1 yards per carry that year. He's never been an efficient player, and he was RB10 per game, but just so many touches. 245 carries and 36 catches in only 14 games for Joe Mixon.

Montgomery, in his career, it's just been very obvious. He's been a better rusher when he's had a really good offensive line. And the Texans could have a bad one. They could have an okay one, but it could be bad. It's one of those lines that's really different from last year and we just don't know.

All right, well, that's it for the ranking disputes. Oh, I know what I was going to say about Montgomery. When you get to where he is in ADP, if you look at fantasy pros, going 50th. every running back around him has some question marks. Scataboo, the injury, Trayvion Henderson, every question mark. DeAndre Swift sharing,

Quinchan Judkins coming off an injury, what's his role in the passing game, the Bejel Tootin, Bucky Irving, right? When you start comparing those guys, though, to the wide receivers going there, I don't know, I feel like maybe people are going to be more inclined

to take those wide receivers, Jalen Wattel, Terry McLaren, Devante Adams, Jameson Williams, DJ Moore, Christian Watts, and Mike Evans. I think it's a mixed bag for both positions, though. I think so. Yeah.

My perception is that wide receivers are better there. Jamie thinks kind of even. But I think if you really want to draft, I don't want to say the best way, but if you like going with Hero or Anchor, R.B, whatever you want to call it, whoever you take in round one, then you load up on receiver, two, three, four, you get to this round five, round six range. Like, you take one of these running backs. That's a pretty good RB, too. Yeah. Okay, guys. So the comment, just had some fun to end the show.

The comment I saw in one of our YouTube episodes was that Heath has been slandering hockey a little bit, even though he says he's not, but he is. Someone said that hockey players are the best athletes in sports, which I had never really heard before. I think, you know, first of all, they don't jump. So it's kind of hard to evaluate them as athletes. Sure, they can. They do. Well, they can jump. A guy in the air, they can grab it and put it down on the ice. They don't jump. And they're on skates, so I give them a little pass there. But my thought, you know who always blows me away as athletes,

offensive and defensive linemen? Especially offensive linemen, because those guys play 100% of the snaps. And they're just, the ball gets snapped, and they're just smashing a player immediately and maintaining that for seconds over and over and over again. Obviously, they sit. but like offensive linemen blow me away with their stamina and the beating that they take throughout a game. So I've covered many sports as a newspaper guy throughout the years.

Two things that just in something that you said stood out to me. Hockey players, so after a game, you go in a locker and we talk to players, hockey players go right due cardio right after their games. Wow. And it was like that first time everyone was. during the game, Jamie. These guys just, you know, flying around the rank. And they're doing cardio right out.

They play for 60 seconds at a time. Yeah, but still. Like, it was, it was a sight to see, you know, to still see them. You know, I don't remember what type of cardio machines they were using at time. It wasn't peloton. That's the whole name. But it wasn't, you know, it was just crazy just to see, like, these guys just drenched

and sweat, and then they go and they're doing more cardio. Your point about offensive and defensive linemen, Typically, those guys play a lot of basketball. Football players play a lot of basketball during the week, during the offseason. The offensive linemen dominate. Like, they just, you know, I mean, and I'm not talking about like just post players. Like, they get up, they dunk, they're up and down the court. Like, for these guys being the size that they are, I remember playing like pickup at Florida.

And, you know, football players roll in there and you see them. I'm on the, I'm not on the court with those guys. But like watching them play, like the linemen just flying up and down the court. It's incredible what these guys are capable of doing as athletes. Like when you see them up close, when you see them in different sports and different things that they do. Like, it's nuts. Dave, who are the best athletes in sports? I would say, like by sport, I don't know if I have an answer for that.

But I think about five tool players in baseball, do it all players in basketball. And I think about track athletes a lot. And the people that can run a triathlon, decafalon, like, those are probably, those are probably the best athletes around. I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to settle on wide receivers. They run so much. They are, they have to be, they have to have a combination of physicality and speed, hand-eye coordination.

But actually, the answer that a lot of people have given in the chat is WWB wrestlers. And that's probably, uh, probably the winner. I mean, NASCAR drivers are probably the best athletes. golfers. Yeah, golfers for sure. I mean, the way they... Hot dog eating contests. Drive those carts.

I was very impressed watching a few years ago, 10 plus years ago, I guess at this point, when LeBron and Kevin Durant played flag football against each other. Oh, how'd that go? I mean, it was awesome. That must have been cool. Obviously, LeBron played high school football. Yeah, he's a...

Yeah, Michael says, I think guys who analyze fantasy football are the best athletes. Completely completely agree. So you were a backup goalie on your high school team, right? Sure was. The best backup goal. I played baseball in high school. Dave was once approached by a college football coach to play offensive line. Really?

Yep. Not at Miami. Yep. What? You heard this story? We sucked. We were terrible back then, huh? Yeah.

Well, we didn't have anybody to give scholarships. Probation. They were desperate for anybody. That's so funny. I was going to say funny, by the way. You know who the coach was? Mario Cristobal? No,

Larry Coker. It was Larry Coker when he was an assistant. Oh my gosh. Stop me in the food hall because of course I'm going to be there. And he goes, hey big guy, you ever think about playing football? Want to play for the Miami Hurricanes?

We'll pay your tuition. Said it all right then and there. And took it back to my parents and they said, that's fine if you want to go do it. And then when you get beat up, we're not paying the hospital bills. When they kick you off the team because you're too beat up, we're not paying your tuition.

So I didn't play football. But I went to a lot of games. So almost the same thing. I think that's one of the craziest stories I've ever heard on this show. I can get it confirmed for you by my buddies anytime you want because no one believes it. Jamie used to not believe it either. No, I believe it. They were in such a terrible spot back.

And they just needed bodies. Yeah. So I could have gotten my ass beat up by Ray Lewis. Yeah, but you're, Dave, you're what, six two, six three? six three and when I'm in decent shape I'm at like 260 yeah but but not even but but decent shape they would they would put 50 pounds on you of a muscle and obviously weight to get you bigger because that's what would happen immediately is probably you wouldn't be you wouldn't be six to six three two 60 playing football you'd be six three

probably two 90 yeah you know and so that would have that would have helped from a scout team standpoint that would have helped from you know maybe gets you on the field at some point like you never know. Like, they would have certainly put you through the motions of getting you football ready. Yeah. We, we, the hurricanes have gone from asking Dave Richard to be an offensive

to play in the national championship game. What an accomplishment. And finally, yeah, all of you've been saying, you're surprised I haven't talked about the Knicks. I don't want to be that annoying. It's pretty amazing.

Uh, the whole state, you know, was into it. The whole town that I live in, I mean, Knicks stuff everywhere. The whole family stayed up and watched too.

That was cool. Where does it rank in all-time championships for you? Because you've seen a few Yankees. You've seen a few Giants. Yeah. Obviously, the first, next one. Giants number one. Giants 07 number one.

Okay. Yeah. It should be. I would say maybe Yankees 96 because that was really the first one for me. I think I'm at a stage in my life. It's just not quite as. as meaningful as it used to be. Really?

Like when you're a kid or when you're, the early 20s to college age, that's when I was the most rabid sports fan of my sports timeline. So this would be second or third. Giants 07 was the best. Even though I liked the Knicks more than the Giants, this would be right there with 96 Yankees. The Hurricanes beat the snot out of Nebraska.

So in 01, that was like whatever. We were so good. If the Hurricanes had won, If the Hurricanes had been in Indiana, that would have been number one overall. I was much more into that than I was the Knicks. And I was super into the Knicks. Don't get me wrong. But this was cool because my whole family watched.

It was really late. Your son of Knicks fan now? He's a Knicks fan. He stayed up. He was awesome. My daughter is six. She just turned six. And most six-year-olds are asleep at like eight, you know?

So it was almost midnight, I think, this game was going on. And she was great. The entire game, she was drawing pictures, making Knicks bracelets for us. And with about a minute left, she starts melting down. A minute left, it gave five. It's super close. We're like, okay. You had it won then, right?

No, no, it was like a two-point game. Are they five by that point? I don't know. Not quite. Not with a minute left. It was like oscillating between two and four points. I don't think they ever went up five. They ended up winning by four.

Yeah, yeah. So it was like a one possession game, and she's just so tired. She's losing. I don't care. wins anymore. I don't care about the game. We're like, come on. But you know how long a bit it takes in an NBA game. So we have a picture. It's like, we got to take a picture to commemorate the moment. We got the TV in the background. Me, my wife, and my son are smiling. And my daughter is like hysterically crying. It's a great moment in time. All right. That's a, just because the way

you framed it as not as important to you, the CBS Sports TikTok account, do you see what they did? Oh, that was amazing. That really was amazing. You did the thing with the person growing up, whatever? Yep. I sent that to my friend. I was like, is this not us? Every Knicks fan felt that.

And the Knicks, I would say are the most popular team in New York because like no one cares about the next. Right. They bring the city together. There's no device in this. Yeah. Right. It was really amazing.

I've been friends with Knicks fans all my life. And when they won the championship, they were crying and they were so happy. I was thinking that you were going to feel the same way. I was. super happy. I really was. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's how I felt each of the six times the Bulls won the championship in the 90s. So what's your, what you get a little bit of a New York athletes now? Mount Rushmore of New York athletes from just from my lifetime. I'm not going to sleep to like Babe Ruth. Um, Jeter Rivera, Eli Manning. It's got to be Brunson. Patrick Ewing.

Oh. Oh. Oh. He's a better player than Jalen Brunson. Oh, stop. Is it a better player? No. No, you're telling you on yourself. It's terrible. I know. I know no one was going to believe that. I'm not a hockey guy,

but I think a lot of people put Mark Messiae on there, too. Mark Messiae. I mean, if you had to do one for every sport, it would be. Jeter, Messier, Manning. No, he put two Yankees on it. Well, right, so he's got to pick

between Jeter and Mariano. Jeter, Messier, Manning, and I would say Ewing, but I understand the whole championship thing and you'd have to go with Brunson then. Man, no love for Kishaw. Charlie Ward. It's Charlie Ward, yeah.

All right. Thanks so much for listening to my rambles. And go watch Anchorman. Talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football.