Fantasy Football Today - Day 2 Recap! Let's Debate Those Rookie RBs! (04/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 25, 2020

It gets a little heated at times as we sort through Rounds 2 and 3 of the NFL Draft. A.J. Dillon/Aaron Jones inspires the most debate, but many of the RB situations are worth getting into. We start with our biggest Fantasy takeaways from Day 2 (1:50) and get into Fill in the Blank (3:50). "I'm so glad that ____ was drafted by ____ " ... Debating D'Andre Swift vs. Jonathan Taylor vs. Cam Akers (5:00). Who has the quickest path to a significant workload? What does this draft mean for Kerryon Johnson and Marlon Mack? And we go back to Fill in the Blank (14:45) to discuss the Packers RBs and reveal our favorite Day 2 rookie WRs and who will be the #1 pick in rookie drafts. Then, let's cover the rest of the RBs including the Bucs backfield and more from Friday night (23:30) ... Moving on to the WRs (38:10), we're excited about Denzel Mims, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault and a few others. Can any of the Round 2-3 guys jump ahead of the Round 1 WRs? Finally we touch on the TEs (54:25) ... Email us at [e-mail] and tweet us with #AskFFT Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. All right, in all likelihood, some future fantasy greats were drafted tonight.

Rounds two and three, just look at the running backs in the last five years that were drafted in round two. Or round three, even. David Johnson, Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt. Some really good players. David Montgomery last year. Devin Singletary last year. Round two, of course, you had Derrick Henry

and Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon. And maybe some guys that still have some good football left. Ronald Jones, Darius Geis, and obviously Miles Sanders, can't forget about him. So we've had a busy night with running backs, wide receivers coming off the board, not a lot of quarterbacks, offensive linemen, yes, tight ends. The Patriots took two of them.

Welcome to the show. It is officially Saturday morning. It is 12.15 a.m. Adam Azer with Dave Ray. Hey, Dave, it's good to have you on. Hey, what's up, everybody? We tried to get Dave on yesterday. It didn't work. We're happy to have him here today.

Ben Gretsch, did not have you on yesterday either. You got to carry the show, man, because it's only 9.15 for you. Yeah, I'm wide awake. You guys are dealing with it's tomorrow for you guys already, but I'm still on Friday time. And Jamie is on three-ish hours are dealing with uh it's tomorrow for you guys already but i'm i'm still on uh friday time and jamie is on three-ish hours of sleep and he looks great i don't know i don't know how you do it a

lot of makeup i'm thinking i'm not wearing any makeup you're just a beautiful man all right so today we'll uh we'll talk about everything you need to know from day two of the nfl draft let's do some fill in the blank actually wait, wait, no, more important. Let's do something different. Let's scrap everything I was going to do. Just give me your biggest fantasy takeaway from day two. Dave, start with you. A lot of the running backs that were taken, I think were taken to help in 2021, but they have a funny way of impacting the NFL and fantasy earlier than expected. NFL hurries things up a little bit.

I think a lot of running backs that were drafted today are going to be very key players in fantasy drafts next year and good guys to draft this year to just sit and wait on. The Miles Sanders effect from 2019 will be in store for almost everybody, almost every key running back that was drafted in round two. All right, Ben, your biggest takeaway? My biggest takeaway was I kind of blew some dynasty startup drafts this year with grabbing guys like Daryl Henderson and Kerry on Johnson thinking that they were going to be safe. And yeah,

I think there's kind of like what Dave said. There's, there's a pretty big impact on, on a lot of the current veterans. There always is. But some of those were unexpected for me, Jamie, the Packers are morons.

But you know, you're skipping ahead to one of my fill in the blanks, which is the green Bay Packers are morons but you know you're skipping ahead to one of my fill in the blanks which is the Green Bay Packers are blank morons not good I don't get it they they don't want Aaron Rodgers around they're just doing everything they can to tick him off I really wanted them to get Denzel Mims the Jets took him just before the Packers drafted a running back, one of Ben's favorites, A.J. Dillon. Didn't want to see him go there. But, yeah, the Packers had a perplexing draft, I suppose. I don't know.

You're being nice. My biggest takeaway, I guess, is what Dave said. You know, a lot of the running backs, it's, again, just not – like, we didn't get great destinations for those top three wide receivers. I don't know if we got great destinations for these rookie running backs, but we'll talk about it here. We're going to fill in the blank. Here we go.

I am so glad that blank was drafted by blank. I'm going to say Chenault. Okay. Go ahead. To the Jaguars. Chenault to the Jags. Dave, what do we got? I'll say J.K. Dobbins to the Ravens.

I think he's going to be a big-time player for them starting next year. Starting next year, yeah. I was disappointed that he went to the Ravens. I am too. It would have been great if he had gone to Tampa Bay or Miami, just as an example for two teams. But I think once he does get that job in Baltimore

and figures to be next year, he should be really good. Jamie, I'm so glad that Blank was drafted by Blank. Cam Akers by the Rams. I've been excited about him this whole process, and he's going to get a chance to be the featured guy there. And I think he's going to end up being a startable fantasy running back this season. Does anybody think Cam Akers will not lead the team in carries? I think he will.

I think there's a better chance he won't than Cam Akers, or I'm sorry, than DeAndre Swift will with Detroit. I think the competition is a little more serious there than it is in Detroit. I disagree with that. I disagree wholeheartedly with that. Okay. That's why I'm glad Dave was on,

because I know that he is not really believing in Kerryon Johnson. So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the Detroit lions here. Um, and, uh, so, uh, Deandre Swift, they take 35th overall second running back selected only three picks after Edwards, Zolaire at the end of round one. And yeah, what do you think, Dave? What's, what's your take on it? I think the lions told us exactly what they think of carry on Johnson that after two years with some pretty up and down play there were times where he was very good and sometimes where he stunk but he had a big knee injury each of the past two seasons each

of his two seasons in the league they're tired of it and they want to have something somebody there who can I don't think they drafted DeAndre Swift to be a backup. He was the second running back off the board. They could have had Jonathan Taylor. They could have had anybody they wanted other than Clyde Edwards-Alaire. They obviously see Swift as a great fit in their offense, and he will be. He is a decisive zone runner. He's got good hands. He's a good pass blocker.

He's going to be a better running back for the lions than carry on johnson was or will be and maybe i agree with everything i agree with everything i'm not done let me finish we only have a certain amount of time tonight okay that's not true let me get to chapter two and then look i i just think carry on. Johnson won't have a big role. Maybe they split to begin the season, just like we saw last year with Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders. But by the midpoint, maybe even sooner because carry on. Johnson can't stay on the field for a very long period of time.

Deandre Swift will get in there. He'll do his thing. I think he was the second best running back coming in. I think he's the second best running back in fantasy for 2020. Not for Dynasty, but for 2020. I agree with everything Dave said. I just think that there's an easier path to touches for Akers with Rams because you at least, at least I expect Carrion to still have some role

while he's healthy. Now he could get hurt early and then Swift runs away with the depth. Swift is a better talent than Cam Akers. He was also in a better situation in college than Cam Akers. And so we'll find out what the Rams are going to do. We'll find out what the Lions are going to do. I do think though that Jonathan Taylor is still in the second

best situation even with Marlon Mack there because another scenario of the team telling you what they are going to do by trading up to select Jonathan Taylor who's going to get a chance to run behind that offensive line in this offense. I think it kind of tells you that maybe they're tired of Marlon Mack, another running back who's had a hard time staying healthy, and may not be the most explosive player. I hate it because I wanted to see what Mack could do for a full season with a better quarterback, but I think it's the same exact thing. It's the team

telling you that they're frustrated with the situation and that Taylor being the best running back that we all said coming into this draft ends up in a great rushing situation. We'll see if he's in a great passing situation. I doubt it because of Naheem Hines. So I think all three guys behind Edward Soler for redraft are kind of in a similar scenario. If you believe in Swift, then you take Swift ahead of Taylor and Akers. If you believe in Taylor, then you take Swift ahead of Taylor and Akers. If you believe

in Taylor, take him first. If you just want to wait out and see if you get the last of those three guys, then that's the way to go. So I don't think Dave's wrong. I just like Akers' scenario better than Swift, and I like Taylor's scenario better than both. And like I said to you guys off the air, they're all back-to okay so they're all number two running back so who talked longer me or jamie because he was interrupting me to get in his point and then he gets in point and here forget about that here's the bottom line i actually agree with jamie that acres definitely has a chance to get ahead of daryl henderson but we i don't think we i i don't think we know for sure what Daryl Henderson is. And I think there's a better chance that he could end up sticking around

a little bit longer in the Rams offense than carry on can in the Lions offense. My perspective, my point of view on that. But I do like Akers a lot too. They're all ranked very tightly together. I'm not sure why you're so down on Carrion, though. I mean, he was a second-round pick two years ago. He's still 22 years old for a couple of months. He'll be 23 when the season starts, yes.

Yeah, yeah. He'll be 23 in a couple of months. But this guy is still, yeah, I mean, that's not old. He's extremely young still. He was very productive in year one, 5.4 yards per carry. It was a little worse last year, but he was banged up. It was a lot worse last year. It was 3.6 yards per carry it was a little worse last year uh but he was banged up it was a lot worse last year it was 3.6 yards okay he was really bad last year but you're right ben that we shouldn't just

forget a lot of people were very excited about carry on johnson last year but i will say that dave has always sort of been hesitant on johnson i think the injuries because he was banged up all the time in college are a big part of that go ahead ben i'm sorry yeah the big point i want to make there, and especially when Jamie brought in Taylor, and again, I agree with both of these guys too, but I think there's a slight nuanced difference between Swift and Taylor's landing spot

in that the Lions backup right now was Bo Scarborough. They were almost certainly going to be in the market for a running back in this draft. And when Swift fell to them, it's very feasible that they were already looking at running backs and they decided, hey, this is a really good playmaker we can add him to carry on Johnson and have two very good backs they just took him two years ago they still have him under contract for two more years Marlon Mack's a little bit of a different story they just took Johnson

in the second round Marlon Mack was a fourth round pick three years ago he's one of those guys that I think and we I think we talked about this with James Conner a little bit when guys have good fantasy seasons I think we tend about this with James Connor a little bit. When guys have good fantasy seasons, I think we tend to think that they are really established. But I don't know that teams necessarily believe that in some cases. And I think Mack is a really good example of that. They've never really turned over the full three down work to him. They continue to use Hines. And they had Hines there, too.

So the fact that they took Taylor even with Mack and Hinesz i don't think they were necessarily like wildly in the running back market other than the fact that mac a former fourth round pick is now going into his final year of his contract to me this is a pretty clear indication they're not going to keep mac long term yeah and they're making a decision right now that jonathan taylor's there early down back of the future they do still have heinz as jamie noted. Yeah. Go ahead, then. We haven't even talked about Tampa Bay. I mean, maybe that's the clearest path other than – I don't even want to say other than Edward Z. Lair

because I don't know how clear his path is to significant work in Kansas City. But Tampa Bay taking Keyshawn Vaughn in round three. Maybe he's got the easiest path to touches. It's pretty interesting. But, Jamie, I'm a little surprised that you think that Taylor's in the best situation because... Second best. Behind who? Edwards-Lehrer.

Okay, yeah. Sorry. So best situation of all the day two guys. I don't know. I just feel like that's discounting Marlon Mack. Don't you think Mack is going to... I mean, Ben just laid it out perfectly for you. I think, again, it's

the same type of scenario. Dave said it. Ben said it. When these teams are telling you what they're doing, they're speaking volumes about what they think about the guys on their roster. But I think that the... I think the case... The Colts take him because they don't see Mack as part of their long-term future.

But it's also a short-term game. But the Lions maybe don't see Carrion as part of their short-term future. It's both. I think it's both. Look, I know you like Marlon Mack a lot, so I think that factors into this. No, I don't. I like him for fantasy because he's behind a great offensive line and gets all the carries. I don't like him that much as a player. I think they just upgraded at running back for sure.

I just don't think they're going to. It took an injury to Jordan Howard for them to turn to Miles Sanders, and it took a trade of Carlos Hyde for the Browns to turn to Nick Chubb. Almost every running back in the last five years that's been drafted in round two at the NFL draft has had to wait a certain amount of time. Sometimes it was only three weeks like Joe Mixon. Sometimes it was nine like Miles Sanders. It's not a great situation. Guys just don't get put into big work right away typically. And I think that Mack is on more solid ground in Indianapolis than carry on is in Detroit. I would agree.

But I also think that Taylor is a better running back in a better situation. I mean, you know, you're also got to factor in everything around these guys. You know, so Taylor is going to be in a situation where if he proves he's better than Mac, which I think he will, then he gets that offensive line. He gets that coaching staff. He gets that situation. Whereas DeAndre Swift is in a bad offensive line with Detroit. He's in a situation where maybe carry on is, is more talented than Mac.

And like Ben said, under contract for two more years. And if he stays healthy, then they're both competing for touches. But which guy do you think is going to beat out the other guy? I think comes down again. Your choice. Does Patricia even want one to it? Or is he going to do the bell check thing and use them both?

That's kind of what I'm thinking. They didn't have a second back. If you're on the hot seat and you just drafted a running back in round two, are you more inclined to give the more talented player? We think he's a more talented player, I think.

But I don't think this is a carry-on versus Swift. I think we're all in the Swift camp. Yeah. I'm just saying, he doesn't have any versus Swift. I think we're all in the Swift camp. Yeah. I'm just saying he doesn't have any job security, so do you think that Patricia turns to Swift? Oh, I think he's going to use the guy that's going to help him win. So, you know, it's not a matter of I'm going to play Swift because I need to play him to make my job secure

if carry-on proves to be better than him. And let's not just, you know, I mean, Swift was hurt in 2018. All right. All right. Let's move on. I'm so mad that blank was drafted by blank. Dave, you can go first here. I'm so mad that blank was drafted by blank. Well, I could say Dobbins for this one, too, just with the short-term

kind of feel to it, because I wanted to see Dobbins play now. I want him now. I don't want to have to wait until 2021. I'll tell you who I'm mad about. I think I'm going to steal Ben's guy. I'm mad A.J. Dillon went to Green Bay. Mm-hmm. Yep. He's just a handcuff? He's so big that I'm really concerned for Aaron Jones.

Aaron Jones scored 19 touchdowns last year. and they didn't draft him to be a third down back, which is what they've always done with Jamal Williams. They like Williams on passing downs. They like his pass protection. That's not A.J. Dillon. So what do they draft him for? They took him in the second round. I can't really figure it out, but I do think it's not good for Aaron Jones,

who was already going to have touchdown regression coming. Terrible for Aaron Jones. It's terrible for Aaron Jones. It's early down work that they're saying they're going to give away to someone else. We had this conversation last week, Adam, or earlier this week, about is he a risk? You were saying you've seen him going round one. I wouldn't touch him until round three at the earliest right now,

and I feel like that's too soon. Let me give a rosier scenario, though. What if this just means that Jamal Williams is basically phased out and the 107 carries in 14 games that Williams got now just goes to A.J. Dillon? And maybe Aaron Jones... What if all 107 of them are inside the five? I don't know.

Maybe Aaron Jones has done a lot to earn those goal line carries, but maybe Aaron Jones actually gets more work in the passing game. But they've always been hesitant with that. They've always liked Williams more as a pass ball. You've said it time and time again. His numbers popped when Devontae Adams were out. His numbers popped when Jamal Williams was hurt. I'm simply playing devil's advocate.

I'm not disagreeing. No, this is the most awful veteran impacted. Because, again, Mack, you could say, okay, we all liked Mack as a starting fantasy option based on where we had him ranked. So we liked him.

But we loved Aaron Jones. We loved the setup for Aaron Jones. Whether you thought he was going to have regression, like Ben said, you were concerned about his numbers coming down at him, you would still take him somewhere in round two if he was sitting there on draft day. Now it's like I'd be so hesitant to touch him in the second round. I'm taking Clyde Edwards-Hillera over Aaron Jones.

I probably won't draft Aaron Jones anywhere this year. I mean, I don't think I'd take him in the fourth. I can't believe, but wait a second. Yesterday mean, I don't think I'd take him on the fourth. I can't believe. But wait a second. Yesterday, I'll let you get in a minute, Dave. I'm sorry. Yesterday, Jamie, you said that you thought Damian Williams was going to lead the Chiefs in rushing.

Yeah, no, after thinking about it on Little Sleep, I've certainly changed my tune on Edwards. Okay, and I woke up this morning feeling differently than I did last night, too, and I'm sure that's going to happen tomorrow. So I get that. But, you know. OK, Dave, why don't you hop in here?

I'm hogging the spotlight. Good. So so at the combine, Matt LaFleur talked about how he wants to have three running backs, how he thinks that you need to have three to really make for a good run game in the NFL. Is this what he's doing? Is he going to mix and match three guys? Yes. Who does that, though?

Or could it be that he's going to mix three guys this year, but Aaron Jones is in a contract here. Jamal Williams wasn't great last year. I'm more inclined to take Dylan with Jones than I would be Jamal Williams with Jones. I'm kind of done with Jamal Williams. And I'm not excited at all about Aaron Jones, just like you guys aren't. But good players find a way to get on the field and play effectively. And that's all Aaron Jones has done when he's been given the chance plenty of weeks where he's just

he's found the answer 28 touchdowns in his last 28 games I'm hoping that he can still redeem himself with some value but I I'm with you I don't think he he's certainly not around one pick and I'm gonna have a tough time taking him in round two yeah I mean the way that you said that he could redeem himself with some value that like that's what you say about number two running back that's what you say about round five running backs right he could he could score eight touchdowns and still have a good season but he's nowhere near where he was gosh guys and i i'm so surprised by this i i three running back thing i'll tell you what team did that the saints Saints did that for years, right? Remember the Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, and Mike Bell.

Yeah, and the Patriots. And A.J. Dillon could be that Mike Bell or Chris Ivory that they always had, and they still used two other backs. And some of those guys were great, but it's hard, man. It's hard to three backs. This guy is a...

A.J. Dillon is a a monster he is an absolute monster and so like i'll just give you example i was going back i was doing research because i had we had isaiah simmons on fft and i looked at isaiah simmons and clemson and i was just looking to see what running backs he faced because we actually were talking running backs that day and so that boston college team wasn't very good wasn It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. And he went for 88 in touchdown against Clemson. He's just a monster. He's just an absolute— You like him a lot, but—

He's the same weight as Derek Henson. He's one of the Packers. Yeah. Just as fast. Seriously. But he's a limit. Okay, but he's not like an explosive guy. And you know who else is a monster?

Yes. Aaron Jones. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He's not a versatile guy. He you know who else is a monster? Yes. Aaron Jones. He's not a versatile guy. He's not going to be catching passes all over the field. It's the same way as Derrick Henry ran a faster 40 times by 100th of a second. He's like your best friend. Beat him in jumps. He's the same athlete as Derrick Henry.

So is Derrick Henry not explosive? They even wore the same number. He's explosive. Okay, so sorry. You know who's not a monster guy? Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones. Look, the proof is in the pudding.

Aaron Jones has been one of the most efficient running backs. Every time he touches the ball, every time they give him the ball, he does great things. He has been a really, really good player in his NFL career. He's been great. What if A.J. Dillon is just as effective in the same offense? I just told you what happens with all these round two running backs. And he was almost a round three running back.

He was almost at the very end of round two. They don't get the work. They don't get it out of the gate. It almost never happens. It doesn't have to be out of the gate, and it doesn't have to be a significant workload. It could just be enough to ruin Aaron Jones that much where he goes from a round two pick to a round four pick.

Well, he's going to have to they're going to have to have Jamal Williams pretty involved as well if that's going to be the case. And isn't it possible that Jamal Williams is just pushed to the side here? It is possible. Absolutely. It's also possible that Aaron Jones hurts his knee early on or

doesn't get off to a good start to the season and A.J. Dillon just takes over. Wow. A.J. Dillon can hurt his knee. Hey, Dave, don't get me going. It's possible. A.J. Dillon taking over the Green Bay backfield? I like what we're talking about here. Well, that's why if you draft him in fantasy,

I think it's got to be pretty late on draft day. But you've got to commit to holding on to him for at least a month. And I don't know how many people are going to do that unless they have Aaron Jones already on their squad. But those would be the two Packers running backs I'd go get. Let's do these fill-in-the-blanks real quick to finish up. The best rookie wide receiver selected on day two will be blank. Chenault.

Mims. I'll say Mims, but I don't really love any of them. The best rookie running back selected on day two will be blank. Taylor. This year? Oh, yeah. Good question. Is it for this year or long term?

This year. I'll take Taylor for both. I'll take Swift for this year, Taylor long term. And the number one pick in rookie drafts will be blank. Edward Solaire. Yeah, that says will be, so be blank. Edward Solaire. Yeah, that says will be, so I'll say Edward Solaire. I do think he will be, but I would take

Taylor. I think I'm going to take Taylor at 101. Nice. And just sort of see what happens this year and wait for him to go crazy in 2021. That's the idea. Mack's going to be gone in 2021. Yep. Mack could be gone middle of 2020. He could be on the bench.

Yep. I asked on Twitter who will be the best rookie running back in fantasy football, and Clyde Edwards-Elair is running away with it. 47.1% of the vote. DeAndre Swift, 12.8%. Jonathan Taylor, 22.5%. And other, 17.6%.

Let's see if I have any... You want to get to the Bucs now? Yeah, let's get to the Bucs. We can just skip them. Let's get to the Bucs. No one cares. Yeah. Okay.

The Bucs in round three. They take a running back. And the scouting reports aren't so glowing on Keyshawn Vaughn out of Vanderbilt. That's what you ask. Yeah, they're not terrible. He was at the Senior Bowl. He doesn't have great power, but he's kind of stout.

He doesn't have great speed, but he's got good lateral agility, particularly for the size that he is, but he's got good lateral agility, particularly for the size that he is. But he's got good hands, and he seems to be a pretty good pass protector. So my guess is that the Bucs took one look at him and said, if he's around for us to take in round three, let's put him on the squad and have him compete with Ronald Jones. He's the one I'm drafting. I'm not drafting Ronald Jones. I have to make a point about the Packers. I'm sorry.

Do you know when Derrick Henry was drafted? Second round. Do you know what he did as a rookie? Nothing. You know why? Because they had DeMarco Murray. And they wrote DeMarco Murray.

You cannot just assume that a guy is going to get a big workload. Adam, this isn't necessarily to say that A.J. Dillon is going to be good. This is not about A.J. Dillon. This is about what Dillon is doing to Aaron Jones. He is going to lower his value. You were already down on Aaron Jones to begin with. I don't understand what side you're fighting for here. You're going too far.

Ben doesn't want to take Aaron Jones at all. You're downgrading him too much. I will happily take him in round three. You were saying that you weren't going to take him in round one. Yeah. So he's not going in round one. I'll just speak for myself. What I was saying was I'm not taking him in round two.

So I would take him in round three. But there is enough of a downgrade from A.J. Dillon that that might be too soon. Yeah, that's why I think he definitely deserves to be in round three because I think Jamal Williams is going to get hurt more than anyone. Of course Jamal Williams is going to get hurt. I don't know what you're arguing. Because Jamal Williams had a big role last year. So I just think Jamal Williams is just not that good.

What's the point of even using him? But they like to. That's what the Packers are telling you. And Aaronones had his biggest games when jamal williams was out two games he was out and two games he left early those are the four games aaron jones played right uh a 75 snap share and he i think he ran for over 100 yards in three of them he had a high percentage of his touchdowns in those games it like it's not good when aaron jones is not playing 75 the snaps. But it's not that bad.

That's the thing. And that's why what you just said is exactly why I was saying I didn't think he should be a first-round pick before the NFL draft. But I just think he's too good to not be their lead running back. And he's going to be the lead running back. He is going to be their lead running back. You've swayed me a little bit. You've swayed me a little bit. The DeMarco Murray point's a good one. He is going to be their lead running back, that's yeah but but by a by a long shot i i think it's bad

that i said i wouldn't take him anywhere i'll take him in the four hey how about that was lefleur in tennessee when derrick henry was there yes oh my god he sees he sees what you see ben yes they said that on the on our on our show today that der Henry version 2? This is LeFleur trying to recreate the Titans. Yep. Okay, yes. He remembers the Titans. So you'd rather take Keyshawn Vaughn than Ronald Jones, or you think you'd rather have Keyshawn Jones at a value

over Ronald Jones, Jamie? I have ranked Vaughn ahead of Jones. But I think it's going to be a training camp battle to watch. And so it's not set in stone right now. I'm sorry, it's not set in stone, but right now I would take Vaughn over Jones

because I do think that his skill set is better for the Bucs right now than Ronald Jones'. Yep. I don't have it that way. Now, I might pull an Edward Zeller and wake up tomorrow and say, you know what, I'm just going to take the rookie first. But I think that the camp battle is legit.

I think Ronald Jones being there gives him a little bit of an edge. But this could be a nauseating split between the two of them where they're both playing 40% of the snaps and then Agumbo Wally takes the rest. The idea that I'm floating is take one of them in round six or round seven, take the other one in round seven or round eight, and just mix and match them until one of them ends up being good for your fantasy team. The problem is when it's a nauseating split like that,

you guys know I love the pass catching back, and we didn't get that from Jones last year. And what we got, I think Jones was better than most people think, and you guys all know that I love him. i think he was really good as a runner but what we heard repeatedly is he can't pass block he got benched for that he got pulled out of a game early he can't pass block bruce and vaughn does not like him and they went and they got a pass catching or a pass blocking running back i think schrager is the one our producer ben schrager pulled out the stat that he was ranked third in this class and pass blocking, Keyshawn Vaughn. They were going to draft a passing downs back. They did that. He's going to play on passing downs. So Ronald Jones, he can get the

early down work, but I'm with Jamie. You got to rank Vaughn ahead because he's going to play in the passing downs on a Tom Brady offense. He's going to catch passes. You got to like that. And Dave, you said something there, which I think is relevant, but from the other side of it, you said he's been there. It doesn't matter. The quarterback's different. So the fact that Ronald Jones has been in Bruce Arian's system, I don't think is going to be a big difference for what he knows in this offense or what Vaughn will have to pick up. He's got to learn Tom Brady. They both do. And so that's going to be an even playing field for both of those guys. So where are you guys going to draft Vaughn? I'm taking Vaughn over David Montgomery, for example.

Okay. Ooh. Which is where I was taking Jones. Ben? Yeah. I mean, I don't like David Montgomery. Probably the seventh for Vaughn, eighth. How about Vaughn or Damian Williams? Vaughn.

Vaughn. Yeah. Vaughn. I would take Jones and Vaughn or Damian Williams Vaughn Vaughn yeah Vaughn I would take Jones and Vaughn ahead of me another note on Vaughn PFF wrote a lot about this that uh Vanderbilt's offensive line was really poor last year and you know I didn't watch a ton of Vaughn tape but I did look at his numbers he's his yards per carry was surprisingly really good compared to some of these later round backs yeah like with him and with acres and guys like this that are on bad teams and you see that they're able to produce like acres is over five yards per carry uh vaughn back-to-back thousand yard seasons back-to-back 10 touchdown season and

i'm just a miserable team and so when they're able to overcome their circumstance and their surroundings then they get in hopefully good situations and good surroundings that's when you see some of these guys that can pop yeah Yeah, it's interesting because I think I just have a different NFL draft philosophy than most people. I think it's kind of overrated. Now, I started out the show talking about how we're going to have some superstars, and we probably will. But I talked about the really good round two and round three running backs that were drafted

in the last five years. I didn't mention TJ Yeldon and Amir Abdullah. I didn't mention Ronald Jones.on and Amir Abdullah. I didn't mention Ronald Jones. Yeah, that's Zach Moss. I didn't mention Tevin Coleman, who's been fine. Duke Johnson, Matt Jones, CJ Proseis, Deontay Foreman, Royce Freeman. And we'll see what happens with Damian Harris and Daryl Henderson and even David Montgomery. So it's kind of interesting to hear you say you'd take Vaughn over a guy like Damian Williams, who I think he's very good.

I think he's losing his job. Yeah. Otherwise, we wouldn't be ranking Edward Zolaire as high as we are. Jamie's going all in on Edward Zolaire. They took him in the first round. They took him as the first back off the board. They took him 32nd. They took him three picks ahead of the Lions.

That was their first pick. They made a very clear statement. Again, what is the team telling us? They already had four backs on their roster. They decided that this guy is a difference maker. Andy Reid reportedly said that he's better than Brian Westbrook, who's frankly the best running back that he ever coached. If you see the enthusiasm of Andy Reid and Brett Veach

when they were on the conference call, the teleconference with Edward Solaire, and they were talking him up for a week, and the enemy is going all in and telling them, this is the guy we've got to get. Go get him. He's there. Go get him. Go get him.

I mean, I know last night I said, you know, Williams coming off the Super Bowl performance, but he just can't stay healthy. I think they're tired of this. And I said this on HQ today. You go back to 2017, we were saying Kareem Hunt's going to be better than Spencer Ware, and that played itself out after Ware got hurt. We don't know how it would have happened if Ware competed for the job

and at what point it would have been maybe the Miles Sanders situation of him taking over. But you saw what he did with the last young, talented running back that he had, and he was a leading rusher as a rookie. That was the third round pick. I don't think that Edward Soler is going to get to that height where he was a top five fantasy running back that season. But in this offense where it's

the same thing damian williams gone after this year daryl williams is hurt and just just a guy deandre washington i don't understand why they signed him if they knew they were going to do this and darwin thompson was a six-round pick so there's not a big investment to anybody else but him yeah and i'll give you another comp for mandy reed's recent history he let a good stable quarterback go to turn over the offense to a quarterback that he loved in patrick mahomes he let alex smith go i mean they want clyde edwards hilaire to be their running back they're going to let him play yeah ben where are you taking because i'm taking the round two i don't know if i can go that high but i maybe i haven't thought enough through it but yeah i mean maybe so what sold me

on moving him up way more is i just started thinking about well what could he do on a on a week-to-week basis and i think if you give him four receptions a week is that crazy and on average no four catches per week i don't think that's crazy so let's say he stays healthy for 16 games just to put optimism up up front here that's over 60 catches right off the top if he's catching four balls a game he's probably averaging north of seven yards per catch so that's 30 yards if he's on the field enough to catch four passes per game and we think he's going to take over or at least get the lions share of the work that's got to be a floor of 10 carries a week, and that's being super conservative.

It could be way higher. And he can average four yards per carry. So if he's getting 40 rushing yards and 30 receiving yards a game, 70 total yards a game times 16, that's well over 1,000 yards. And then it comes down to touchdowns, and there's a lot of touchdowns on the table for running backs there. I don't know if he can get double-digit touchdowns. I don't know if he can pull numbers like Kareem Hunt had as a rookie.

But let's go super conservative. Five touchdowns? That's super conservative. That's tough. With 1,100 yards and 60 catches? If he has five touchdowns, he's not going to be a round two pick. That's for sure. No, he won't.

But maybe I'm being way too conservative. 60 catches? If he has five touchdowns, he's not going to be a round two pick. That's for sure. No, he won't. But maybe I'm being way too conservative. You might be listening right now and thinking, there's no way he's only scoring five if he plays 16 games. He might score eight. And now if it's 1,100 total yards, which I admit is conservative, and eight touchdowns and 60 catches. That's good. That's a top 12 running back from last year

that's pretty good in ppr you know who's going to get the lion's share of the carries though deandre swift on the lions yeah i hope anyway i laughed okay thank you appreciate it uh okay that was a genuine chuckle let me ask you real quick your thoughts on Zach Moss in Buffalo. Who are you drafting for? Zach Moss or Devin Singletary? I might be the only one here that still likes Singletary a lot. I'm taking neither at any price. This is one that I will not back from. I won't take either. It's the worst. I love high value touches. I love receptions and red zone, goal line, green zone, whatever. Touchdown scoring opportunities.

I've talked about that with running backs. That's what we look for. And I've made this case many times on the pod, so I'll make it really brief. But Josh Allen scrambles. He doesn't check down. And he scrambles in the red zone. He runs for a ton of touchdowns. He had 11 carries inside the 10 last year, nine rushing TDs. It was already going to be hard enough for Dein singletary to get those high value touches

now he's going to split them with moss who was a good pass catcher in college they're going to split the limited receptions that are there they're not going to score a ton of touchdowns it's i don't want either of them okay and by the way jamie had to hop off to do HQ. Well, can I defend my Devin take? Yeah, sure. He had nearly 1,000 total yards in 12 games last year, averaged 5.4 yards per touch. I think Moss is kind of like Devin Singletary in that he bounces off defenders and can make yards after contact, but I don't think he's as good. Singletary's three months older.

Singletary's healthier. I think Singletary's a better pass catcher than Moss. And I'd be disappointed if Zach Moss went from third-round pick to goal-line guy for the Bills. I think Singletary is going to be first in line for that. I will take him

with a top-50 pick. Singletary had four carries inside the 10 last year. I know, because they gave Frank Gore 100. Frank had four carries inside the 10 last year i know because they did frank gore frank gore 100 frank gore had 11 inside the five he had 25 inside the 20 and let's see 18 inside the 10 that so there are some carries there okay just hoping that and i got goes i think singletary is a good back i want to be clear i think he's a really good back i they're just guys to me that are always going to go something like someone like dave in my league likes the talent and see some upside there i just don't see as much statistical upside it's a fantasy specific take yep okay uh i wanted to give a one

more thought on the running backs facebook post of the day comes from james ingram someone and i was kind of bitching about clyde-Hilaire and his slow 40 time. Someone remind Adam that Kareem Hunt ran a 4.62 at the combine. Seems like he fared pretty well in the Chiefs offense. Rushing title his rookie season. Clyde the glide will be just fine. I mean, everyone uses Kareem Hunt as the comp, right? So just because one guy did it, everyone can do it.

I'm not that worried about Clyde Edwards-Hilaire, but I do think that's not the best evidence. Okay. We did have some other running backs taken. Darrington Evans, don't expect a big role from him. No, but he's the backup now in Tennessee. So if you draft Derrick Henry, whether you want to or he just falls to you and you settle on him and you're nervous about that workload,

that's the guy to get as of now to handcuff him. So let's talk about the wide receivers now. Busy round two. I mean, the first two picks, T. Higgins to Cincinnati, 6'4", 216 pounds, big guy out of Clemson. Weird pick, right? Yeah. Yeah. Or it's a writing, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's a writing on the wall pick. Yes. Kind of like a lot of the running backs were. AJ Green's tagged this year, not signed long-term, and certainly now won't be there until 2021. I mean, Joe Burrow needs his long-term number one, right? Right. And then Michael Pittman, the next pick out of usc to the colts another six foot

four guy really liked that fit he's a big receiver i know i know dave likes him too i won't take up too much time dave but big receiver good in the short to intermediate range and and a great compliment to ty hilton well why don't we go through sort of a group of picks here in round two at least the first half of the wide receivers taken in round two. So Higgins goes to the Bengals. Pittman goes to the Colts. Chenault to the Jaguars. And let's stop here at KJ Hamler to Denver.

They take a wide receiver in round one and round two. Denver getting Jerry Judy and KJ Hamler. Hamler is a 5'9", 178 pound guy Gets a lot of yards after the catch Also has some drops But he's out of Penn State So between Higgins, Pittman, Chenault, and Hamler Okay, we're not going to even think

Higgins Like he's not going to get drafted, right? In a redraft league Third guy on the Bengals You know, it depends on how things shake out in camp for the Bengals. Is A.J. Green healthy? Is John Ross healthy? Like, for this year, he's going to be the key backup to both those guys.

Okay, but that's what all he is. So then let's talk about Pittman. That's what he is for 2020. Pittman, Chenault, and Hamler. And what do you think, Dave? Chenault would be my favorite of the three for 2020. Yeah. Hamler's, you know, 5'9", 178.

Really productive, you know, very athletic slot receiver. Really fast. Very fast. But you're putting him in the Broncos. He's a great pick for what they've done now. They have Sutton and Judy on the outside. They have Fan at tight end. They have him in the slot. It's's a great pick for what they've done now. They have Sutton and Judy on the outside. They have Fant at tight end. They have him in the slot.

It's a great weaponry for Drew Locke. If he's good, he's got all the chances in the world to be good. We've got to talk about him as a late-round pick. Yeah, but Hamler's not a pick, right? The point there is that Sutton and Judy are going to get the majority of the targets, and then Fant, and then Hamler probably. Chenault is a guy who dominated production at Colorado as a sophomore, going to get the majority of the targets and then and then fan and then hamler probably um chanel is a guy who dominated production at colorado as a sophomore accounted for 46 percent of their

receiving yards in games that he played which was nine he's got wide receiver skills people talk about his running back body he's 6-1 220 or 226 or 227 he's like a uh ezekiel elliott is the calm people have been giving because like he's a big thick guy um but he has wide receiver skills the ability to really dominate production in an offense i wanted him to go somewhere where he could get targets i think garter minch who's a good enough quarterback i mean we don't know if he'll be the starter long term but he played a mike leach's system he could throw a lot he was pretty good last year i think he can support a couple receivers and again good complimentary piece similar to pitman where dj charke is the number one it's

downfield guy chanel's the guy who does a lot of work around the line of scrimmage good after the catch guy kind of similar to aj brown i don't want to put him on aj brown's level quite yet he also ran a lot of wildcat offense because they just wanted to get him the ball he had seven rushing touchdowns he's a really dynamic player. He can line up inside, outside. I really like the fact that he's going to a team where he can get a lot of volume. Let's look at the next four guys taking a round two. Chase Claypool out of Notre Dame goes to Pittsburgh. Another big guy, six foot four. Yeah, he's interesting. He was drafted 49th overall. They have now used a fairly early pick on a wide receiver.

Three straight, well, not even including Juju, right? James Washington was a round two pick. He was 60th overall. Deontay Johnson was 66th overall, and now Chase Claypool, 49th overall. So is Claypool, well, I'll ask you after I talk about everybody. Is Claypool the number two receiver in Pittsburgh this year? Van Jefferson goes to the Rams. Denzel Mims to the Jets.

I guess there are only seven, not eight wide receivers in round two. So the last three are Claypool to the Steelers. Van Jefferson to the Rams. Denzel Mims to the Jets. The Rams took the highest graded player on their board when they took Van Jefferson. i don't see how he contributes this year and maybe even next year unless there's an injury or unless josh reynolds gets wrapped um but i i loved him at the senior bowl he was one of my favorite players overall while i was there just an amazing route runner gets openets open with his feet. Doesn't have speed. Has great hands. Has pretty good size. He's like a poor man's Justin Jefferson. So I get why

the Rams liked him. I just hate the landing spot for him. And he's probably going to be, he's not going to help anybody in fantasy in 2020. Mims in New York has a chance at least to be the number three receiver and if Brashad Perryman does his frying pan hands dance and can't hold on to the ball, maybe Mims ends up being the number one. I'm intrigued by Mims going

to New York and I think the Jets have done the right thing this offseason and in the first round by improving their offensive line. That'll give Darnold a chance to attack deep. Claypool. Does Mims remind you real quick of DK Metcalf at all? Metcalf was the 64th pick. Sort of. I get it.

Claypool does physically to me more. Yeah, sure. But I get what Adam's saying because I don't think Mims is a finished product yet. Just like Metcalf. What was the knock on metcalf besides the injuries was that he didn't have a complete route tree right so mims doesn't have that either and and the one thing that i noticed with mims is that i don't think he separated with his speed very often he separated by being physical with defensive backs so he's got to work on So he's got to work on that. He's got to work on his footwork to help him get open a little bit. Because he did have a great combine. Yeah, he had a great senior bowl.

He really was not talked about very much until the senior bowl. And he was making plays. There were a lot of good receivers at the senior bowl, and he might have ended up being the best one by the time the week was over. Claypool was also at the senior bowl. The man is a behemoth. They talked about him being a tight end, but he's 6'4", 220, I think, 230, somewhere in that range, and he can run 4'4". He's really just an incredible specimen. You think about how the Steelers are with their receivers. Their track record's pretty good.

I think Claypool could be someone that I'm looking for in dynasty drafts as a long-term fixture. And one last point on him. Not that he's Canadian. That's not the point. But he was really an unknown. He posted his highlights online, and then he started getting offers to play college in the States,

and Notre Dame stepped up. High character kid. Steelers are going to like that he's not going to be a problem in the locker room. I didn't know Dave had a thing against Canadians. Did you, Adam? I did, actually. He said all the time. I love Canadians.

Every time he texts me, it's like some anti-Canada thing, always. He said he had his- Their damn syrup. Okay. So, um, he's, he's,

and he's, and he's a cool, he's a down to earth dude. No one knew when his birthday was. I was trying to get his birthday for a scouting report that we did. And so I DM them, his DMS were open and I slid into his DM. He was so happy to tell me and,

you know, I wished him well in the draft process. Thanks a lot, man. Looking forward to helping people in fantasy football. So it's not the reason why I'm talking positively about him, but he seems to be a good guy. I think Steelers fans will like him, and I think Ben Roethlisberger will love throwing footballs nine feet high

so that he can come down with them in the end zone. And then Antonio Gibson was taken by the Redskins. You could see him listed as a running back. Same with Lynn Bowden. These guys are kind of do-it-all sort of players. Bowden went to Las Vegas. Brian Edwards to Las Vegas with the next

pick. Ben, what do you think of, I'm sorry Adam, but Bowden and Gibson. They're kind of the same guy right they're both like offensive weapons yeah i think boden is going to be a receiver is it boden or bowden i think it's bad i don't know i'm pretty sure i'll double check it i'll double check it um but i believe it's pronounced gibson um antonio antonio gibson yeah i shouldn't say it i think it is i think he'll be a running back for Washington.

I have no idea. That's how I've said it in my head. So, Adam, if you have any inclination that it's Bowdoin, it's probably Bowdoin. He played the slot as a sophomore and was really productive. Good team-adjusted volume. And then he started the season last year in the slot i think he caught like 30 balls in the first few weeks they got had some quarterback injuries he took over as their quarterback because he played quarterback in high school he only threw 74 passes the rest of the

year but he ran um i think over 200 times he ran for like 1400 yards in like 16 touchdowns something ridiculous uh out of essentially a wildcat offense where he was playing quarterback kind of like a you know julian edelman story he played quarterback in college antoine randall obviously comes to mind he's good he was good enough to be uh to have really good production out of the slot his sophomore year and then his uh his junior year to be that good in a you know a wildcat quarterback situation where he was basically their whole offense. So they announced him as a running back, which is the one position he didn't really play, but obviously racked up a ton of rushing production. It'll be really interesting

to see how they use him. Obviously, a lot of ways they could do that. Gibson is another guy who doesn't really have a position. He started at junior college, went to Memphis. They mostly played him at receiver. He caught, I think, 44 balls and had 33 carries in his two years at Memphis. Just not a lot of touches. And a lot of scouts did the pre-draft process. We're talking about how he most, I think we heard a report that 31 teams had him as a running back on their board.

Most looked at him and recognized that he's a running back. He's basically a clone of jonathan taylor he's 227 28 pounds about the same size as taylor and runs a 439 just like taylor at least in terms of size speed what we don't know is whether he can play the running back position because he hasn't done that but um he could very easily be a chris thompson type i saw somebody comp him to debo samuel i think that makes sense too like he could play out in the slot and be working into the backfield and split out wide the washington has just so many running backs i really still like bryce love who we didn't see all last year because of his knee injury we know about darius geis you know adrian peterson still there they added peyton barber they have nine million running backs so how gibson gets on the field is a little tough

to see but a really intriguing offensive weapon both of those guys good um athletes and guys that if used correctly could definitely be valuable quick thoughts on the tight end actually we haven't wrapped up wide receivers i want to know how you look at these day two wide receivers compared to the day one guys in terms of fantasy you know whether it's chanult or whether it's Mims, whoever your favorite is, maybe it's Pittman or Clay, but whatever,

I think probably Chenault Mims are going to be of this group. Most people's favorites for 2020. How do they compare to the guys that went in round one? You know, could they sneak in there as a, the top fantasy options for this season? No. Chenault can.

I definitely have Chenault over, like, Ayuk. I have him. Oh, man, I might have him over Jefferson. I don't know how much the Vikings are going to throw. Rager is an interesting question as well. We've got to see. Who do you like, Dave? Who do you like in round one? I like

just about everybody in round one except for Ayuk. You like them for fantasy this year? Well, I mean, it varies as far as some of them I love. Rager's my favorite. I think Judy and Lamb can be good. I think long term I might talk myself into

putting Rager third on that list and putting Lamb, Judy, probably Lamb and then Judy ahead of them. And then Ruggs is in that mix too. I don't want to poo-poo him and say that he's just a dude with 4.27 speed. I think he's better than your typical bad, fast receiver pick that Al Davis used to make. He's better than Darius Award Bay. So who is your favorite, favorite rookie wide receiver for this year?

And then who for long term? Who in Dynasty? I'll say Rager for this year. And I really haven't figured it out yet, so please just take this in pencil, Adam. I'll say Lamb. Lamb's my Dynasty, and I much much more confident about that one kind of the inverse of dave i haven't really thought about this year too much but

um like really weighed these because they were close i mean obviously a lot of them are kind of some interesting landing spots i think you can make a case for chanel that high i mean i really do i think he's going to be in my top five for long term for dynasty for wide receivers particularly not for for every position and for this year right away i think he might project for the most targets of anyone in this class i don't i don't think he'll he'll be i don't think he'll project for the most targets um but i think he's he could be the best receiver that was taken today. I'm thinking about him versus Mims. It's one of those two are the best for day two,

and I think both those guys are going to be better than Iyuk in 2020. You're talking about Jacksonville's LaVisca Chenault and the Jets' Denzel Mims. Yeah, Chenault just landed in a good spot where he's going to get, I don't know about leading the rookie class in targets. Could he get 100? I'm not even sure about that. About 85?

Chennault? Yeah. Who's going to get him? D.D. Westbrook's 26. He's never had 750 yards in a season. But Chark is there, and I think Chark is more than just a deep threat guy. Oh, I agree. I think Minshew loves him.

Yeah. But it was the second one. When that sticks around, he'll take targets away too so like i'm i'm a little i'm i don't i gotta crunch the numbers to really feel good about chanel getting over 100 i don't think dd westbrook is ever gonna do it personally and and who else did you just know are you saying 100 100 targets yeah yeah i mean chanel's the number two option i think westbrook had it last year yeah Yeah, I think Chenault gets 115 pretty easily. How many rookie-wide

receivers get 115 targets? I don't know. There's going to be a handful this year, Adam. I just don't think it happens very often. No, but this is a rare rookie class. And Chenault's in a good spot. Yeah, I'm kind of interested to see i'm gonna do let's do a little

on the spot research aj brown 84 targets yeah but didn't play full-time till week 10 and that might happen 93 targets debo samuel 81 dk metcalf 100 darius slayton 83 this is what i'm saying like i just think the nfl draft is overrated and i think year two is when wide receivers go now if you're a good wide receiver yeah like some of them are going to be great in year one i get that but you're generally which is sweet spot like i like i i agree with that adam like that's why i was saying I might take Chenault as my best option for 2020 because I don't think there's going to be a ton that get to 115. I mean, I agree with Dave. This is a special class, and there's a chance that two or three do.

But I think Chenault is the one that has the most target upside. It's great to host an NFL Draft episode and say the NFL Draft is overrated. Anything to say about Cole Komet to the Bears in round two, Devin Asiasi and Dalton Keene to the Patriots in round three, Josiah DeGuara to the Packers in round three, Adam Troutman to the Saints in round three? That's an interesting one. Troutman? Troutman might be the most interesting tight end that was drafted so far over commit like what does interesting mean interesting meaning a chance to be a really good fantasy option i think a lot of people called them the most complete tight end no not right i'm thinking long term who trotman or yeah trotman i don't think he's the most complete tight end in the class i think that's commit

yeah but i think he's got i think he's got more upside than Komet. He's more vertical than Komet. He can get downfield. Komet's going to be best case scenario, a chain mover. Trotman's a hell of an athlete. He's a former quarterback. Dominated at the FCS level. He had 14 touchdowns and 70 catches in 11

games. He looked like Big John Studd going up for passes against jobbers, like 5'6 jobbers, which is what the FCS is when you're a 6'5 tight end. And obviously the NFL is a lot different than that, but he's still a big dude, and I think he's actually got room to fill out a little bit

and get a little bit stronger. And the offense they played in in college was West Coast-based based that's what the saints have i don't think he's going to make an impact this year i mean rookie tight ends almost never make an impact this year right but i this is under your class i i think he's i think he's got a real nice shot to be an impact player um 2021 2022 and beyond and i just looked it up commits actually faster so I was saying Troutman's more vertical, but yeah.

I thought Troutman was faster. Okay. Troutman apparently ran 4.8. I thought he was quicker than that. Oh, you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. You know, yeah. That's all right. Troutman, 105th overall to the Saints, and yeah,

we're probably not going to have a really good rookie tight end. It's pretty rare. Heath has Troutman as his top rookie tight end in redraft this year. And look, it's going to be hard for Cole Komet. They just signed Jimmy Graham. So, come on. I think the cliff notes is what Dave just said. The rookie tight ends don't often hit, and this is a poor class.

And that's it. I don't think you draft any of these guys in redraft. And I don't even think in Dynasty you take them before the third round, late second. I think given all the players that we have this year, fourth round might be where you go. Yeah. Thanks, guys.

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