Fantasy Football Today - Derek Carr Retires! Plus Five Players We Don't Talk About Enough (05/12 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

With Derek Carr retiring, what's next for the Saints (2:40) and what does it mean for Alvin Kamara, Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed? What do we know about terrible offenses and their ability to produce Fantasy studs? History says that not all hope is lost! ... We focus on five players that we just have not talked about enough! Let's start with Chuba Hubbard (18:00). What's the bust potential for Hubbard? And is De'Von Achane (26:15) an easy first round pick? Will the Dolphins throw to him as much? ... Tony Pollard (37:30) is interesting and the guys seem to think he is a very good value pick, but do they feel that way about Jaylen Waddle (43:50) as he tries to bounce back from a disappointing season? And finally, does Jordan Love (50:00) have the upside that he displayed in 2023? What needs to change for him this season? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠betting arena on CBSSports.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for all the latest ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sportsbook reviews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays at his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. It is Monday, May 12th. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today.

Hope you ladies out there enjoyed your Mother's Day. Hope you guys out there got something nice for your mothers, your wives, whatever it may be. And we welcome you to the show. We're gonna talk about five players that we have not talked about enough, including two Miami Dolphins. And we have, of course, the Derek Carr news as well,

as he is retiring so what does that mean for the rest of the New Orleans Saints and what if they have a horrible offense? Well we went back we looked at the last four years of the worst offenses in football and what have they produced in fantasy football? Have they given us any good players? Any great players? Yes there have been some good examples so anyway how's it going guys? Jamie how was your Weekend was great. I got a chance to hang out with Heath and Dave a little bit, Thomas a little bit, some former co-workers as well, a lot of friends, a lot of family. It was my son's bar mitzvah. So I was thrilled that all the people who mattered

to me were there except for Adam who decided not to come. But no, it was great to see Heath and his son and Dave and his wife and Thomas and his fiance and really appreciate all the support all the love and know my son crushed it. So it was fun. We have a great picture if you're watching youtube.com slash fantasy football today. Great picture for you in a little bit. All right, let's get to the big news here Derek Carr retiring due to a shoulder injury. Just some other quick

notes. The same sign Trey Sermon, Travis Hunter, they had a two day mini camp and he did not take any defensive reps for the Jaguars, but he will next week when they reconvene. Sean Payton says he wants to use RJ Harvey in the passing game. I think, you know, pretty much figured that. Yes.

And Colston Loveland is still recovering from off season shoulder surgery. Not anything that he's expected to miss any time with, but he's not been out there yet. So let's talk about the New Orleans Saints and Heath with Derek Carr retiring. Who do you want to see be the quarterback of the Saints this year? I think we ought to let everybody have a turn. Maybe just rotate one every quarter or be great to see Taysom Hill in that role. I don't really care. They're going to be a bad offense.

The passing game is going to be, I would say mediocre at best. And one of Tyler Shuck or Spencer Rattler is probably going to start the majority of the games. I would be really surprised if a quarterback starts 17 games for the same sister. You're what do you think about Rogers or cousins? You think that's a possibility for them? I don't think I'm very much more skeptical on Rogers than it seems

like everyone else's, but I don't think Rogers or cousins are going to be better or significantly better than Shucker Ratler. Wow. Okay. Aaron Rodgers hasn't been good for three years. Did you see Spencer Ratler and JK Interplay last year? Like, come on, he's so much better than that. Now they could obviously get better, but Rogers is so much better, so

much more competent than that. And even Cousins is. I mean, they were horrible those guys last year, like embarrassing. And Shuck is a 20, going to be a 26 year old rookie who completed about 62% of his passes in college, which is not good. It would be the dumbest thing in the world if the Saints with the current state of their Roger decided to go spend a significant amount of money or draft picks on Aaron Rodgers or Kirk Cousins. They're going to be bad regardless.

It would be money. It wouldn't be much in the way of draft picks. And that's why I don't think Kirk Cousins is going to be really an option. Why would the Falcons want to try and help their division rival? Rogers already said he's willing to play for like 10 million and maybe the Steelers were just sitting back thinking, all right, that's what it's going to cost us. And the Saints can go, well, wait a minute. What if we offer you 12 million? And it wouldn't be that bad on the Saints' cap. The real issue, though, is like, what's New Orleans doing? Like, they're a mess cap-wise. They always are. They've got a team that's not going to compete.

I think if Aaron Rodgers goes there, they'll be on the fringe of competing and Rogers will be in the NFC. And maybe that helps him have a clearer path to the playoffs. Then if he's in Pittsburgh and that beat up division in the AFC north, they'll be in trouble there. Uh, if I were him, I'd rather go to new Orleans, but it's not like the saints are going anywhere either way. And so if the saints realize that they just give the job to Shuck,

let him obviously earn it. And if Rattler's better than so be it. But this is starting to look more and more like an offense that I am scared to touch. And Adam, you sent out a note with all the details on how bad bottom five offenses are. This makes me scared for a lot of Saints players. are. This makes me scared for a lot of Saints players. Yeah, so bottom five offenses over the last four seasons and last year I took the bottom

six offenses. There was basically a tie for fifth worst between Jacksonville and the Raiders and there have not been any standout wide receivers until last year when we had neighbors and Brian Thomas by far the best wide receivers over the year when we had neighbors and Brian Thomas. By far the best wide receivers over the last four seasons on bottom five offenses. Running backs a little bit of a different story. We've had some good ones. Derek Henry had a top four season a couple years ago

with Tennessee on a bottom five offense. Breece Hall, twice really with Breece Hall. Once overall, once per game. Jonathan Taylor was like top 12 per game one year, if you remove one game where he played like one snap. And who was the other one? Sequon Barkley with the Giants a couple years ago. But there has not been in the last four years

a bottom five offense that's given us two great fantasy options. So I would not recommend anybody draft both Olavi and Kamara unless you're getting great value here. But I mean, would anybody be surprised if this is the worst team and worst offense in the NFL? No. They're in the conversation, but there's, I mean, certainly other competition. I mean, so how does that change things? What has that changed things for Kamara? Like let's say Kamara has been a fourth round pick in our drafts.

We always knew there was a possibility for a little while. We've known there's a possibility that Derek Carr misses the season. Now we know it's definitely happening. They did draft Tyler Schuckley. Does this change anything for Kamara and Olavi right now and Shahid? Or have you been drafting them thinking it's just going to be a disaster? I mean, Olaabe has been on a slow sliding scale down for me to begin with. You know, it's not just the quarterback situation. It's his lack of consistent production. It's the health risk of the concussions that he's dealt with.

And so we talked about this on last Wednesday's show about the group of wide receivers basically from like 24 to 40. He's still in that group. So I think he's still a number three receiver. But he's closer to the back end of that than he was at the start of this process, at least for me, where I was hopeful of lack of target competition, which has really been the case.

Sheikheed coming back, but there's really not a lot of other players to worry about, even with the addition of Brandon Cookss who's going to be 32. You know, it's just a terrifying situation, you know. So Kamara is 31 or 30 years old, right? 30. He's been extremely productive in the format that matters most for most leagues, which is PPR.

And so even half PPR has still been very productive, But the lack of touchdowns are even more alarming now. The rushing production is probably going to be among the worst of his career again, because I just don't imagine them, A, making him a workhorse to that level that we need him to be, to be that type of rusher. He's never really been that. And then again, you know, just at this point in his career, they did bring in somebody else to have some level of competition, so we'll see how that goes. But the offense as a whole, his age, I haven't really moved him too much yet, but it feels very much like, at least the way I'm thinking about it, between a few of the rookies. Genti, obviously notwithstanding, he will go ahead of the rookies, you know, Gentie obviously not,

notwithstanding he's been going ahead of, he will go ahead of Camaro in every draft, you know, now Harvey and Hampton and Henderson, like, you know, he's in that range and, and that's, you know, backend RB too, which is, you know, probably still going to be good value, but I don't think round four is where you want to touch him. I, I just think it's, for me, it's two totally different situations and the Camaro one's much, much harder than the Olavi one. Because it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were a terrible offense and Alvin Camaro

caught 85 passes and finished as a top 12 running back in PPR. I think he has top five upside in full PPR. We've got really no reason to believe that Chris Olave has that kind of upside. He might be a borderline wide receiver too. He might be significantly worse. So it's easier for me to kind of pass on Olave where he's been drafted most of the time. I have a hard time passing on Chimera in round four, just because there's not very many players around four or later that have the same upside. Jamie's right about all the risks with Camara, but you don't even need a good quarterback for him to be good. You just need somebody that can throw the ball five yards. Yeah. So last

year. Last year they were 24th in points per game, so it's not like they were very good. That was the worst offense that Alvin Kamara has been on. In games without Derek Carr, he just had very few carries in those games. He scored a lot of fantasy points. I think it's exactly what we're kind of hoping for, but the touches were, the carries were so low. They just were not really competitive. So Kamara, yeah, so Kamara, all right, I'll put you to the test right now. You said he's going to be in that group, but how many rookie running backs other than Genty would you right now today take over Alvin Kamara?

Again, for me, it's still just Genty, but that's kind of like where I'm leaning right now is just to move him closer to those other guys as opposed to he was firmly entrenched ahead of those guys, you know, before the situation with their car arose. And as we could, you know, you said we've been dealing with this for a few weeks now. You know, it's just, it's, it's a little nerve wracking, you know, and I'll tell you the last draft that we did, the super flex draft, I was faced with this dilemma. And I kind of still lumping with the three guys that we talked about a lot last year, Joe Mixon and, or two guys, excuse me, Joe Mixon and Ken Walker.

And I purposely drafted Walker over Camaro for one reason and one reason only was the first running back I drafted was McCaffrey. I didn't want to put myself in the situation of two older running backs that may have some concerns. So I went just to sort of switch it up, mostly because I viewed those three guys, Mixon, may have some concerns. So I went, you know, just to sort of switch it up. Mostly because I view those three guys, Mixon, Camara and Walker,

different ways that they're gonna get their production, but you know, high end, you know, RB2s. That he's now behind those two guys. That's the one adjustment I did make. I put him behind Walker and behind Mixon, but haven't got to the point yet where he's behind, you know, Harvey and Hampton and Henderson. And, oh, go ahead, Dave.

Good. Okay. I'm going, uh, in non PPR, I'll put Hampton ahead of Camara. And I think it's easy. And I think we can work Harvey ahead of him and maybe even David Montgomery, not that Montgomery's a rookie. Um, four games. You mentioned this Adam, where there was no Derek Carl and there was an Alvin

Camara, he averaged 15.3 PPR points per game at least 17 PPR points and three of them he had one dud in the mix there. I almost feel like That's the range that you should draft. That's the expectation is around 15 PPR points per game Unless they do something really dramatic at quarterback points per game, unless they do something really dramatic at quarterback. And that's it. And so what's the range for that type of running back and full PPR? That's round four. And I really wholeheartedly agree with Jamie. You don't want to lock up two old running backs with two of your first four picks.

And so if you're going to settle for Camara, maybe you're going zero RB. Maybe you've taken Gentie in round one or another younger running back in one of the first three picks, and then you double back for Camara, hoping that he's better than 15 PPR points per game. Like he was last year, terrible offense. You mentioned it still average 19 PPR points per game. And he scored eight touchdowns. I don't think he scores eight touchdowns this year, but it wouldn't surprise me.

He'd said it 85 catches, 85 divided by 17. That's gotta be around five. Exactly five. Hey, about that. Nailed it Dave. And the other thing I was going to say was like the other complicating factor for a lobby. And I think Rashid Shaheed still remains a great value, no

matter who the quarterback is because he just gets ignored in drafts. The first five weeks when both those guys were healthy, Shaheed had more targets, more receiving yards, more touchdowns, more fantasy points than Chris Olavi. Yeah, I know. It was weird. It was- Did they pick up the fifth year on Olavi? Yes.

Okay. Cause I was going to say if they didn't, that's a trade candidate. Well, I was going to say the same thing about Camaro. This is something you should keep in mind. He restructured the order, had an extension last season. It seemed weird at the time. It still seems weird to me now. If there's a team that's in contention that wants to get a pretty significant piece, if

he's still healthy. Oh yeah. You know, he's probably going to, you know, be of some interest to some teams. I also wonder like he missed three games at the end of the season with a groin injury, you know, at his age, it's just concerning. The Saints will save 18 million if they cut them before next season. All of my research that I've done over the last few years has really pointed to this sentence, basically. Good offenses, or the quality of offense matters more

for wide receivers than it does for running backs. And that had really been true as I looked at the last four years of these terrible offenses until last season, which just bucked the trend. And you had three rookies, you had neighbors, you had Thomas and you had Brock Bowers, if you wanna count him, who really excelled on terrible offenses.

But for the most part, I mean, if you're worried about offenses, it does affect and it makes sense, right? Like it affects wide receivers more than running backs. Cause if running backs get that role where they just get so many touches, I think if you're, you know, you could look at Breece Hall, I'll just end on this, Breece Hall in 2023 was on the third lowest scoring team in football. He had 223 carries,

but he had 76 catches and he scored nine touchdowns and terrible quarterbacks. Terrible. You could easily see that kind of stat line from from Alvin Camara. All right. The difference is again, he was coming off the ACL tear, but he was what 22? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Adam. Yes, Dave. I screwed up on the salary cap stuff with Camara. Go for it. It's actually they save almost nothing by cutting him before the 2026 season or the 2027 season. Okay. All right. Well, we're gonna take a break

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Chuba. Chuba. Chuba. Does anybody worry that if there is a version of Mike Davis, Miles Gaskin, Alexander Madison, that it could be Chuba Hubbard. I think he's done it a little bit of a longer time span, right? End of the 2023 season and into 2024.

He really wasn't that good at the end of the 2023. At the end of the 2023 season, he looked like the guy that was going, if they hadn't drafted Jonathan Brooks, you would have been like, oh, well, Chuba Hubbard's not that good. Yeah, he got a lot of work, but he stinks. He's gonna be the next, what I just said, Mike Davis, Alexander Madison, Miles Gaskin. Then he had a great year, like just a great year. Remember they brought in two offensive linemen,

they really upgraded their, at least two, in the last off season. They had the best offensive line they've had in Chuba Hubbard's career, but he didn't, he just got a lot of carries. He didn't really do anything with them at the end of 2023. He was freaking fantastic last year. No question about it. But yeah, I mean, all right, discuss Dave.

He scored 11 touchdowns. That absolutely helped. And he averaged 16.1 PPR points per game. I ask you all this, what has changed that makes him potentially worse? The addition of Rico Dowdell. I mean, last year there was Jonathan Brooks and we were worried about this hot rookie coming in and taking his job away. I think it's a better situation that it's Rico Dowdell that's going to take work away from him compared to a healthy Jonathan Brooks.

We know Brooks isn't even going to play this year. This offensive line you mentioned, it's great. Bryce Young played great at the end of the year. They added another receiver in the draft. That'll help clear out the safeties from dropping down all the time. And Dave Canales deserves credit. He's done it now two straight years where he's put together a halfway decent offense, even did it when Andy Dalton was starting when remember when Bryce young was terrible early on in the season and they had to move from him. And like this offense is good. And Schuba is the key cog and seeing him, I think he's a lot to have more PPR points per game than Alvin Kamara at this point.

So I would definitely, I think like the most likely outcome is probably that he does, but I still think Kamara, if he hits his upside, Chuba's not doing that. Dave, let's, I'm gonna let you rethink that one because I know sometimes stream of consciousness, I blurt things out and then like two seconds later,

I'm going, oh, I wish I hadn't said that. We know what Alvin Kamara's upside is and Heath's right. And then last year proved it. Camaro was like three points per game. Better is Camaro going to be able to do that in New Orleans. If that offense is terrible, he's going to need to catch a lot of passes. He will. It won't be that way.

And not PPR. Chuba is going to be better for sure. And not PPR. There's only one thing that I would add is, is it Rico or is it Rico and Trevor Etienne? Yeah. Because they added two guys this offseason that could be somewhat of a very annoying factor to what Chuba does. And yes, we were concerned about Jonathan Brooks.

We didn't have a lot of Jonathan Brooks. That's the problem is that Chuba didn't have a lot of competition because Brooks missed so much time before re-injuring himself. and then there was really no competition for him afterwards. I mean, we know Miles Sanders obviously wasn't a factor at all. So I just think that if there is a downside to Chuba, it's like it's so hard to sort of qualify this because they gave him the contract extension right before Brooks comes back, right? They really invested in him. And then this off season, they bring in a guy on no money. So Rico Dow really isn't so much of a concern,

but it is somebody that could just take a few touches away that we thought maybe Brooks would obviously do a lot more of. And then they draft a guy, look, we had a lot of different people on during the draft prep process. I believe it was Chris Tripaso said Trevor Etienne was one of his favorites, right? If I'm not mistaken. No, it was Emery. Maybe Chris too, but Emery had Etienne in

the top five. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, look, he's clearly a talented running back. He did some good things at two different schools. And we know that there's a passing down pedigree there for Etienne that could be a problem for Hubbard. So I just wonder if like what we saw from Chuba last year to your point Adam was his best and he still will be the lead running back on yes an offense that's improving and has a great offensive line and should still have an opportunity to be a solid number two running back but did they add enough competition that we could see that 15 and a half points per game come down to 13 or 12. And now you're talking about a guy that's more like, you know, RB 22, 23, as

opposed to a guy could be challenging to be a top 12 guy. And when we talk about like Bijon Robinson getting two thirds of the running back carries or something like that, Chuba Hubbard in weeks three through 16, right? Weeks one and two, it was kind of Miles Sanders. And then they were like, okay, we're done with Miles Sanders. And then they were like, okay, we're done with Miles Sanders. By week three, Andy Dalton takes over, Chuba Hubbard kind of takes over.

Weeks three through 16, he's a top 10 running back. Let's see what he was per game. Yeah, he was number eight per game. And he had 234 carries. Miles Sanders had 26 carries. Jonathan Brooks had nine carries. So that's about as much of a domination of carries as you're going to see for Chuba Hubbard. I guess, like, I'm just going to tell you

what scares me. He was a fourth round pick four years ago. Since then, they've signed Miles Sanders, they've drafted Jonathan Brooks. Like they, as an organization, I don't think really viewed Chuba Hubbard as their answer at running back. He's had two seasons with a really good yards per carry and two seasons with a pretty bad yards per carry. If you look at all of his metrics from 2020, not all, but most of his metrics from 2024, that was a lot like 2022, which was good on 95 carries.

2023 was a stinker. So I'm just not convinced. Like this guy has never had a 40 yard run. He's not an explosive player. Doesn't mean he's bad. He's just not an explosive player. I am not convinced that he's a, he's like a, that he's more than a Jag, honestly. Maybe I'm being crazy, but this guy feels like the most likely player, Chuba Hubbard to me to be a bust in the first four rounds. If he's in the first four rounds, which I think he'll be close. He's basically Chase Brown on a worst team.

Brown was a- Chubert, but you would know this, right? Hubbard is, his yards per catch is awful. I mean, like one of the worst, but Chase Brown is really good in the passing game. So that's another thing. I don't know how you feel about that. Well, his second one of the worst, but chase Brown is really good in the passing game. So that's another thing. I don't know how you feel about that. Well, his, his second year in the NFL, he averaged 12 yards per catch.

How many catches? How many catches? He had like 12 catches. Yeah. I, I just think that chase Brown is a former fifth Brown pick who basically was awesome last year, largely because he just played 80% of the snaps the last half of the season and got all the touches. He's on a better offense. I'll draft chase Brown first, but chase Brown also averaged 6.7 yards

per catch last year. That's not good. No, it's not. But it would make Chuba Hubbard blush. I think I think he's like, what's his career with last year? Yeah. Uh, career. What is he at? Uh, 6.2. Yeah. All right. After four last year. So, all right. We done with the Chuba move on. Well, it's just, it's fun to add. You're comparing Chubas 2024 and 2022 with 2023 when that offense was absolutely atrocious. Yeah. They fired the entire coaching staff after one year. The offensive line was absolutely terrible. Last year, they committed to Chuba both financially and workload wise. We saw that on the field. He was the seventh most consistent running back in fantasy

in 2024. I'm not going to say that the arrow is pointing straight up and he's going to finish as a top 10 guy. You said it was a top 10 guy from week three on. We're drafting him effectively in the same range as Alvin Camara. And I can't remember the last time I said this, but I kind of like the Carolina Panthers offense. And this guy's going to be leading it at least at running back. Okay. All right. Next up we've got Davon Achan. I feel like I kind of skip over him, you know, we take him in the first round in all of our drafts. Just take a look at our most recent draft. And he went eighth to Heath, and I took Ashton Gentie ninth,

and then Heath said, I think he went to flip that. But at the worst, he would have taken HN ninth. So we love Devon HN. In 11 games with Tua last year, including week two, I believe, when Tua got hurt. Devon Achan averaged around 22 fantasy points, 22.6 PPR fantasy points per game with Tua Taka-Vai Loa, which is amazing.

So Jamie, your thoughts on Devon Achan? Is he a surefire first round pick? And I'll just, the only reason why I think it may be not is because he just doesn't get that many carries and then I don't know how they're going to divvy up their targets if they're going to keep throwing to their running backs this year. But yeah, first round, easy first round pick for you Devon H.N.? Not easy, you know, but he's certainly in the conversation from like 10 through 15 overall

picks. It just depends on I think, you know think where you stack them up against the receivers, but he's the top five running back or top six of this worst case scenario. The last question you asked, how they're going to divvy up their carries. This is his first opportunity without Raheem Mostert. How does this go for the rest of the guys? Is it going to be a retread guy like Madison? Is it going to be a second year guy like Jalen Wright? Is

it going to be a rookie in Olly Gordon? How are they going to give those opportunities to the next guy? That's what I think we have to find out. Or is it going to be, all right, A Chan, it's your job. Full go. Let's see it. Then he may be a top three, if not number one running back, based on the numbers that he produced with two and if two has stayed healthy. His role in the passing game, I think, is something you can hang your hat on and say this could be one of the next, if not the best, pass catching running backs in the league. We know how this Dolphins offense wants to operate, get the ball out quick. And he was such a huge weapon when Tua was healthy. So

that's the risk you play is Tua's health concerns because he was terrible when Tua wasn't there. But whether it's Zach Wilson or if they decide to go crazy and change things up again with Quinn Uers, then we could see, who knows how that'll go. But anyway, let's not worry about that until it happens. I think when you're drafting HN, you're drafting him with the upside of what he did when Tua was there, a guy entering year three based on the explosiveness that he showed his first two seasons. I mean, he could easily be the best running back in fantasy.

He's got that much upset. If I said how are they going to divvy up the carries, I actually meant how they can divvy up the targets. Yeah, I mean, his role in the passing game, Jamie, you seem to think it's there to stay. I just wonder, are they going to go back to throwing the ball to their wide receivers? It's just a huge question. Fantasy to me is where does Tua throw the ball? Who does he throw it to? Because we're going to talk about Jalen Wilde one a bit. My gosh, his targets were miserable last year. Dave, where are you at on HN and give me like, what do you think his carries?

So last year, let's look at his 11 games with Tua. He's on pace for 221 carries and 104 catches. What do you think is realistic this year for carries and catches? I, I think that the pace for carries is maybe a tad lower than what it was based on what you just said. The catches could be a lot lower. I think he's the main guy. I think they want him to be the main guy, but my guess is that they're still concerned

about a Chan missing time. And so Jalen Wright's going to take some work. They drafted another running back. Maybe that guy gets in there. There's going to be somebody to help him out in that backfield, but how can they move? How can they do anything but try and get the ball in his hands when he's such a good playmaker, especially as a pass catcher, especially if they're trying to get the ball out quick? So, and, and I guess the other thing to bring up, I don't know how good you're going to feel about the Dolphins

backup quarterback situation, but compared to last year, I think Zach Wilson is a slight upgrade. And maybe that would help HN average like 12 PPR points per game. If two were to miss time. Last year was under 10 PPR points per game. When Tua did not start. That's awful. Yeah.

And we know how good he was when Tua did start. I think you draft HN, if you can get him in around two then you think you're lucky stars But if you get him in late round one I don't think it's so bad in PPR and I still think he's gonna be yeah main component of this offense Catch a lot of passes scores a lot of touchdowns has a lot of game-breaking plays Alright, I'm gonna give the numbers one more time 11 games with to a 22.6 PPR fantasy points per game, which is super elite. 221 carry pace, 104 catch pace, 1779 total yards, 16 touchdowns. That was

his pace, right? So just amazing. What are your projections for HM? 218 rush attempts, uh, 66 catches on 83 targets, uh, 17, 105 yards and 14 touchdowns. Okay. He is one of three running backs. I project to score 300 PPR fantasy points over 17 games. Say Quan and Bijan are the other two. Do you want a quick stat that Heath, it's in reference to what Heath would always talk about with A-chan a year ago. Yeah, what? Heath's the one that kind of uncovered that when the Dolphins were in a blowout,

A-chan went nuts, whether they were getting blown out or they were the ones kicking butt. Dolphins have had 15 one score games, win or loss in the past two years. HHAN's played in 12 of those games. He's been over 18 PPR points four times in those 12 games. Do we need blowouts for Devon HHAN to be really good for fantasy? And that could happen because this Dolphins defense on paper outside of their pass rush could be pretty, pretty gross. I think the one thing that I look at with the situation, not necessarily just HN, you have two years ago, Raheem Moser leading the NFL and rushing

touchdowns. You have last year, Devon HN, what he did when two was healthy. Mike May Daniel came to this team as the running backs coordinator from San Francisco Under my under Kyle Shanahan like there's there's a pretty good track record of what this backfield can produce. Yeah, and so HN Based on heats projections is the lead guy by a mile Obviously told you no one what you say one of three with over 300 PBR points There's there's so much upside here like it's in your best interest to try to target him But it's also in your best interest trying try to target him, but it's also in your best interest to try and get pieces of this backfill, whoever the number two guy may be. And again, it's right now, I think a little wide open who could be the second guy because

Madison, for what it's worth, is going to be the guy that may end up with the role just as the veteran guy. Olly Gordon two years ago was with Doc Campbell, I forget the word, you know, to be the best running back in the country before bad, you know, 2024. And Jalen Wright was a guy that they traded up for last year to get in the third round, you know, so there's there's a lot of moving parts or that could be, you know, very interesting. Jamie, let's play a game. It's called Name That Doke. Okay.

One of them is the award that goes to the best running back. One of them is Florida State Stadium. Doke Walker, Doke Campbell. What do you think? Doke Walker's the running back, Doke Campbell's the running back. Yeah, here you go. I had to look it up because you really confused me. I confused myself.

Yeah, but again, I think this is a backfield that's going to have a lot of success and HN right now looks like a superstar. All right. Before we go to break, we got a funny picture for you here. We got three more players to talk about. Tony Pollard, Jaylen Waddle and Jordan Love. But unfortunately, I did miss the festivities. I would have worn my Rodney Hampton jersey if I had known, but look at Jamie, Dave and Heath at the Bar Mitzvah in their jerseys.

Jamie, you got two Shaq jerseys there, Lakers and Magic, and Dave representing Reignos. Oh my God. What? You are the worst. Two Shaq jerseys? First off, I don't know what's funny about the picture. Is that magic? It's just a nice picture.

Second, there's two magic jerseys, but not two Shaq jerseys. What was Shaq on the Lakers? 33? Oh my God. No, that would be Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. 34? I'm really bad with numbers.

All right, so that's Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal, and Ray Lewis, my bad. And we all had a two. Yeah, how about that? Oh, that is a bad miss by my part. Um, that Johnson shouldn't have been 32. He should have been like a single digit number. That's a really cool picture.

I love it. So the take us through it to Jamie. What do you want to say about this moment? So the party was supposed to be at a basketball gym. It got moved to Dave and Buster's last minute from some unfortunate circumstances, but search circumstances, but it worked out great. And, uh, the theme of the party was, uh, jeans and jerseys. So, um, as you see, we all kept to the theme. Um, all the, all the attendees did for the most part. And so, uh, I, I said Dave's Jersey is great. Uh, I was telling my son that, uh, of, of the jerseys there, like Heath's was one of the, the five that stood out to me. So really, uh, really impressed with that.

And he can tell the story of, of who's it belongs to. Oh, it's not actually my Jersey. I just wear my son's clothes now. Um, and he has the retro shack Jersey. He was wearing a John Morant, Vancouver Grizzlies Jersey. Um, so yeah, he's, he's got a few jerseys. He's, uh, started to, uh to pass down some of his clothes that he feels like don't fit him anymore. So it was nice to get to wear one.

Hand me the hand me down some of your son. I'm coughing too much. Let's take a break. We'll be right back on Manatee football today. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life, but you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And of course, you can rest assured that with public mobile's 5g subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing

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But Pollard again, RB 22 per game last year in PPR. That's kind of where I had seen him being drafted probably a little bit later now because of the rookies. So we're talking about outside the top 24. Heath, I'll give you the first word on Tony Pollard. How do you feel about him? I think he belongs right in the mix with all of the rookie running backs.

I think he's probably more likely to finish the year as a top 20 running back than most of the rookies, but less likely to make that leap into the top 12. His numbers were skewed a little bit by the time that Tai-Jay Spears missed. And a lack of touchdowns is really nothing new for Tony Pollard. He has one season with more than six rushing touchdowns in his career. So I don't think you really project a big touchdown total. I do think just looking at my projections, I've got them at 254 rush attempts, 44 catches, 1300 yards and you know, just, just, just right around 14 fantasy points per game. All right. The Tajay Spears factor. So Spears played in 12 games.

He played in 11 games with Tony Pollard, but in 11, in two of those 11 games, Spears barely played. So that was nine Pollard games with a normal Tajay Spears. And with, and in those games, you're talking about 200 and a pace of 236 carries, 43 catches. In games without spears or with spears barely playing, you're talking about a pace of 328 carries and 44 catches. So the catches were the same, but we're looking at almost 100 more carry pace

for Tony Pollard. So I really thought that was relevant. They split, they had a pretty decent split. And then when Spears didn't play, they did not use any other running back. It was basically all Pollard. That's a little bit of an exaggeration, but not really. So it was, yeah.

So it was only 11.6 PPR fantasy points per game in those nine games that Pollard played with Tajay Spears playing a normal snap share. 11.6 PPR fantasy points per game. That's not good. By the way, he was already 31 in our most recent draft. Dave, your thoughts on Pollard. Over the last two seasons, he's had 15 or more touches in 23 games and he's had 15 or more PPR points in 15 of them. How many games is he going to get 15 plus touches this year? And that's the number that concerns me.

Could he do it in half of his games? Maybe. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's in an interesting spot because Tennessee could be on that same path that Carolina was on a year ago. Their offensive line, they've added some veterans this off season. They had some good young players already on that line. Should be a better offensive line. They don't have a quarterback missing targets by 10 yards under center. At least I hope they don't for the second year in a row. So it

should be a little bit better of a passing offense. Maybe that gives them longer drives and more opportunities to run the football. That's a plus. But I don't, this is a running back. I don't want to draft anywhere remotely close to a ceiling. I want to draft him at the floor. That means I'm not drafting him as one of the first 24 running backs off the board. If I can get him after 24 plus running backs go off the board, and maybe he's my third running back or desperate situation. I just need a guy to start the

years my RB to Yeah, I'm good with it. But this is round seven. This is not somebody I'm targeting by any stretch. Yeah, to Dave's point, Jamie, the Titans ran the fewest plays in the NFL inside the five yard line. That's another reason why he didn't score a lot of touchdowns. So could he, like Juba Hubbard, benefit from being on a better offense? Excuse me.

The Panthers went from the worst offense in the NFL to 20th. It's a huge jump. I don't know if the Titans were the worst. I don't think they were the worst in the NFL last year, but they weren't good. Yeah, give me, okay. Tony Pollard, Tony Pollard went after Isaiah Pacheco and Aaron Jones. He also went after Ramondre Stevenson

in the draft we just did. So compare them to those guys, Pacheco, Jones, Ramondre. Rather have them all over all those guys. I think in the case of Pollard, it's gonna be one of my favorite draft picks this year. And so is TyJ Spears, just to get a piece of this backfield because I think there's plenty of upside here but Pollard is the one that's going to go first and you can get a great you know flyer essentially on on Spears. I sent you this uh tweet Adam last week it was uh from Fantasy Points data uh that Tony Pollard is ranked by yards after contact per attempt. In 2021, he was first as a minimum of 125 carries.

2021, he was first. 2022, he was second. Broke his leg at the end of 2022. In 2023, he was 23rd in that metric. And 2024, he was fourth. Wow, yeah. In the last four years, he's fourth in terms of yards after contact per attempt. Pretty solid running back.

And I think in this situation as they've illustrated a much better environment around him. I don't think we saw how good the Callahan influence could be as one of the best offensive line coaches in NFL history and his son and the offensive maybe that they're gonna hopefully showcase this year So the scary part about this team is the receiving course thinks and it's a rookie quarterback so, you know how much of You know eight man boxes are they gonna see I would assume a lot but I think Pollard based on what he you know Is able to do and hopefully distance himself a little bit from Spears and where you're getting him

I mean if you're getting him after those other guys, I think that's just amazing value. So he's a borderline top 24 guy for me. By the time this is all over, he may sneak into the top 24. Won't get much higher than that, but I really like the setup for him based on I think how people will sort of view him and hopefully get him at a great price. All right. Let's talk about Jalen Waddle here. How can you guys somebody try to convince me about Jalen Waddle here. How can you, you got somebody try to convince me

on Jalen Waddle. He was not even a top 50 wide receiver per game last year. He was 49th overall in full PPR. If you just look at the games with Tua, there were 11 games with Tua. He had nine healthy games. Waddle, because he missed one and he left one early. Those nine healthy games with Tua, he's on pace for 96 targets.

When it comes to Tyreek Hill, Johnna Smith, Devon H. Anne, Jalen Waddle, he has the fewest red zone targets. He has the fewest green zone targets. He had only two end zone targets and two green zone targets in his nine healthy games with Tua. He was fourth fiddle. Yeah, I don't know. and two green zone targets in his nine healthy games with Tua. He was fourth fiddle. Yeah, I don't know.

Does anybody want to try to get me excited to draft Jalen Waddle? Tyree Kill misses half the season and Jalen Waddle is the number one receiver for the Dolphins without any competition besides John De Smith and Devon Hinn. That's the path and that's why he comes out as wide receiver 46 in my projections but I push him up to wide receiver 38 in the path. And that's why he comes out as wide receiver 46 in my projections, but I pushed him up to wide receiver 38 in the rankings just because like Tyree kill was not particularly good last year has had some off the field incidents this off season and is at the age where he could fall off a cliff. And so if something happens to Hill waddle could be awesome.

Dave, you want to make any case? How do you feel about him? I'm scared. I'm the high guy on him and I don't want to be, he's definitely not going to be the top target getter as long as Tyreek Hill is Tyreek Hill and only three games last year when Tyreek and HM were both on the field and wattle had 15 plus PPR. Just three, Guess what? That was an improvement over 2023 when he had 0. I was not high on him at all last year. I am hoping, and I talked about this last week, I'm hoping that the Dolphins try to reconfigure their offense so it's not dink to HN, dunk to John-u.

Dink to a Chan dunk to John who I'm hoping that Tyreek and wattle are a little bit more involved. I'm hoping that wattle Gets more than five and a half targets per game. I'm hoping that to a safe health I'm hoping the offensive line does a little bit better, but you see the word that I'm saying or you hear the word I'm saying it's hope and So as long as we're only hoping and we don't have any concrete evidence that alright Yeah, waddle is gonna have a big year as long as we're only hoping and we don't have any concrete evidence that, all right, yeah, waddle is going to have a big year. Nevermind the fact that he's been banged up like every year. Like I've gone to their training camp and he's in sweatpants. I'm, I'm definitely concerned, A, that I'm the high guy. I don't want to be the high guy and B, that he's going to underwhelm

again. The nice thing about Adam is that we're not, other people last year were taking him around three, round four. I don't think anybody's going to do that this year. I think he's going to be The nice thing about Adam is that we're not other people last year were taking him around three round four. I don't think anybody's going to do that this year. No, I think he's going to be somebody that falls into like round six ish range at the absolute earliest. That is where he went in our most recent mock draft Jalen wattle. He went after DK Metcalf.

After he went after crystal Lave. Who would you guys rather have a Lave or Waddle? Waddle. I've got Waddle higher. Here's one for you. Waddle or Pickens? Pickens. Pickens. Waddle.

I've got Waddle ahead of Pickens right now. I could easily see myself in full PPR putting Pickens ahead of Waddle. I'm going to do that. Man, it's frustrating because Waddle, you know, top 10 pick, right, in the NFL draft, is he in the top 10, I think. Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because he went ahead of Devontae Smith.

That's right. So top 10 pick, rookie year, 1,000 yards, 104 catches, 1,015 yards, six touchdowns as a rookie. Second year, 75 catches, 1,356 yards, eight touchdowns on only 117 targets. Like, how could this guy not be great? Right? I mean, everything about him says he's great. Then 2023, he has a disappointing year, but he's still wide receiver 22 per game. He left some games injured, didn't run as many, we didn't play as many snaps, he didn't run as many routes, but his per route data was still very good. You know, I think it may have even been better than 2022 in some cases. So I think that's why some of us, myself included,

were excited about Waddle. And then last year he just didn't throw to him. It was too much John Woo, too much HN, like you said. At least we're still talking about a player who's got, who's been great, right? So that's why I said earlier. There's huge upside here. It's just probably going to take an injury for that to happen, whether it's Tyreek or John who, or to Dave's point, I guess it shouldn't necessarily be injury related. But you know, if they go back to being a little bit more wide receiver friendly and throwing the ball down the field and, you know, giving him those chances. But really, I think the path to stardom is injury related. You know, like if Tyreek, this wrist injury is keeping him off the field as maybe should

have last year, like he could be a monster. Waddle. I really think the Dolphins are the most interesting fantasy team because they obviously could have a great offense, right? They were second in scoring in 2023. And they averaged about, I think, 24 points per game. They averaged the same amount of points per game as the Eagles did in those 11 Tua games. Like they averaged 24 points per game. That's what the Eagles averaged for the full season. So they were so bad without Tua, but they can obviously

be a great offense. They can obviously give us elite fantasy players. But how is really like John who Smith? Is he really going to be that better than Jalen wattle? That's insane. But I'm going to need a dolphins fan to help me with this one. But why did they not give wattle some of those targets, the same type of target short area throws, get the ball out of the quarterback's hands fast. Why put the ball in John who Smith's hands instead of Jalen waddles hands? I don't know. Or were they, maybe it's because the coaching staff was worried about waddle getting hurt. He might not have been at a hundred percent at any point in the year.

This is conjecture. I don't know, but this, this is an easy, this is something that the coaching staff should try and solve because there's no question about the talent of this guy. Yeah. When he's healthy. All right. Let's talk about Jordan love. There's no question about the talent of him when he's healthy either. And he really wasn't fully healthy last year. He sprained his MCL in week one, and he averaged 5.5 rushing yards per game, down from 14.5 rushing yards per game. And that's a pretty big difference.

He went from 247 rushing yards in 17 games in 2023 to 83 rushing yards in 15 games in 2024. Jordan Love went from top seven quarterback per game to 17th per game. You know Heath, maybe it's your influence, because I know you're not a huge love guy, but I don't even look at him in drafts. I just, I don't even consider him.

It would have to be one of those situations where he just falls and falls and falls, like oh, Jordan loves there, okay, I'll take him. But I think maybe I'm wrong about this. I don't know, what do you think? I think that's basically where I was last year because you had to draft him as a top six, seven, eight quarterback. Now it's free money. It's double digit rounds. It's usually outside of the top 12 quarterbacks. I've already drafted him a couple of times. I think he is and

just like the borderline QB one. And I still put Jared Goff in that same territory, especially the offensive coordinator change. There's lots of guys you want to, you want to take a shot on an Anthony Richardson or a Justin Fields, take a Jordan love too. Like he fits pretty well. He's probably going to finish somewhere between I would guess eight and 18th and fantasy points per game at the quarterback position. It's a pretty bad combination to run less than you did the year before and throw 10 fewer passes per game than you did the year before.

It's hard to overcome that. I expect the pass volume to come up a little bit, but he's probably a little bit responsible for that as well. He, he does throw too many interceptions and he's got to make a little better decision making there and hopefully he now has a number one wide receiver in Matthew Golden, but he's it's, there's a reason I think we haven't talked about him. It's because we all kind of view him the same way is just like, sure. He's a borderline QB one.

Does anybody view Jordan love is having big upside as a guy who finished this QB seven, uh, per game in 2023. And not just that he finished the season. He went on some crazy run where it looked like he was really breaking out. Does anybody see that kind of upside for him? Not that kind of upside. Matthew Golden change any of that? No, no. Just, you know, it's interesting is he Jordan Love basically had the same exact passer rating in 2023 as he did in 2024. But as he mentioned,

two big things like didn't run and 10 fewer, but was it 10 fewer past temps of game? Or is that just approximate? But either way, no, I think it was 10 fewer past temps per game. And like the other thing is, and we talked about this going into last year, he had four rushing touchdowns on 50 attempts in 2023. And the QB seven thing, like it's technically, well, I don't know if it's technically true item at QB eight, but it's QB seven or QB eight, but that's

a range also where there's a lot of guys who, if they happen to have four rushing touchdowns instead of three might've been in that position. Jamie, there's a very short window last year when he came back. Remember you heard his knee in Brazil, missed two games. When he came back in week four through week seven, he averaged 36.3 attempts per game. That's more than he did in 2023. He averaged 28 fantasy points per game. It's easily his best split of the season, but he got hurt again. And when he came back, I don't think he was throwing nearly as many passes per game. And his numbers cratered after that. And his receiving core wasn't healthy. We know that too. So it's, it's another one of those situations where

it's almost like everything's got to be right. He's got to stay healthy. The line's got to protect him. Receivers have to stay healthy for this year. Matthew Golden's going to have to keep, you know, ascending. We saw him ascend at Texas. Now he's got to do it again as a rookie. It it's kind of a tough case for love. When you see all of these other quarterbacks that are going to be available in the late rounds, they, they could get around 20 to 21 fantasy points. They've got the upside to get close to 25.

You can see it with guys like, uh, Drake, May, and certainly DAC and Brock Purdy and all those guys, some of the Russian quarterbacks. So, so why, why choose love unless it's a super flex? Why, why target them? Why just kind of one of your last few picks? Why choose love? Is that really something we want to be saying on this podcast? If someone why fall in love? All you need is love. He's going to be staying on this podcast. If someone clips that. Why fall in love? All you need is love. He's going to be expensive. All you need is love, Jamie. He didn't even get drafted in our last draft. I mean, are we going too far taking a guy like Drake May over Jordan Love?

Well, I think in one quarterback league's, you know, to Heath's point, especially if you know you're drafting with, you know, you take a guy like Drake May, like an Anthony Richardson, like a Justin Fields, and the upside for those guys, I think, is higher than what Jordan Love will give you, but the floor is certainly safer for Love. I mean, Drake May, if you, his 17-game pace would have been our QB3

in terms of rushing yards behind Lamar and Jay Daniels. So there's that potential of what he can be now that he has an improved receiving course. So yes, I would rather have Drake May than Jordan Love. I think in what the big thing for Love, and I don't recall this exactly, but I know Aaron Jones was really banged up in 2023 and that stretch of games where Love took off didn't have a run game. And the addition of Josh Jacobs and what LaFleur's offense was, I mean, you think about the end of the Rodgers tenure Rodgers wasn't a great fantasy quarterback. So it's kind of just I think what this offense is. It's a balanced offense It's gonna you know, try and you know win games throwing the ball when they have to

Not necessarily because they necessarily want to But then again, you see this offseason first round pick wide receiver third round pick wide receiver You know, they you know may get Christian Watson back at some point late in the season, but it's a receiving core that's changing a lot. So I think when you look at what they want to do, no matter what Josh Jacobs said, go get a number one receiver, do they really have one? And so if they have an alpha and maybe somebody who can dominate like maybe Golden Can or maybe Jayden Reed, as we saw during that stretch when Jordan Love was hot in 2023. Maybe that changes things a little bit but I think that this defense is very underrated,

they're very good. The run game is obviously amazing as Josh Jacobs proved last year and so Jordan Love is not a game manager but he's a glorified game manager. So not exactly the most exciting fantasy quarterback. So to Heath's point, he's a great guy to pair with a volatile number one guy that, you know, has boom bust potential. And if you want to get that 18 to 20 point production, that's the kind of guy you're gonna get. All right. All right. Good show, guys. All right. We're gonna do a ranking. Did you guys see the first game of the year? Do we did you guys see the first game of the year? Oh, no, no. What is it? Cowboys Eagles.

Ooh, that's a fun one. Where is it? September 4th. Where is it? It's in it's in no Thursday. I'm sorry. I was thinking of the Brazil. Like where's the international game this year?

Like the Friday night one. Ireland. thinking of the the Brazil like where's the international game this year like the Friday night one Ireland I believe it's Brazil in Brazil I guess chiefs chargers right that's what I heard in Brazil okay Ireland does dealers have an opponent or we'll find out this week oh no there's a rumored opponent for them yeah we do have the schedule releases. It's actually the Vikings, I think. Viking Steelers. Where you gonna go? Where you gonna go?

If I'm going over to Ireland, I'm going over there to play golf. We can do both. You go play golf, you watch Aaron Rodgers versus the Vikings, I mean, that's gonna be awesome. Dave, I don't know if this quote is going through your head, but where are you gonna go, Garth? You gonna go to Ireland?

Cause I'm the leprechaun. Remember in Wayne's World 2 when he's like tormenting Garth? Okay, listen, I've got three things tonight. What do you think the order of importance in terms of wins are for you? Knicks better be one for you. I got softball, I've got tennis tennis and I've got the Knicks game.

What do you think? You think Knicks are one? The Knicks are one for you, then don't never watch a game again. I don't even care. The Knicks are not. They're not going to win. They have no chance.

Like I have I am given up. I have no chance, but they're up to one in They have no chance. Like I have, I am given up. I have no chance, but they're up to one in the series. Yeah. Well, it's how fan you are. Giving up on them. So I'm trying to think of your happiness. I'd probably go softball tennis Knicks. Um, because softball, you can hope that your teammates carry you to victory.

Yeah. But it's all like tennis. I might have to rely on yourself and the Knicks. You have to rely on yourself. I'm playing doubles. And in the Knicks you have to rely on the Knicks. So I'd probably hope on the softball teammates. Are you still the last hitter on the worst team in the league? I don't know if we're the worst team anymore, but yeah, I am the last hitter. It's embarrassing. I'm so bad at softball. I'm just so bad. Any errors yet? Yeah.

Are you kidding? Don't call me E4 for nothing. You didn't hear. The first game of the year we won or the second game we won the double header, second game of the double header. Two outs in the sixth, whatever it is, seventh, I don't even know, pop up to me, pop up to win the game to get our first win and I dropped it. Dropped the pop up and now the ball was hit off the end of the bat and it was kind of spinning, but it was pathetic. And then like, I think the next two hitters reached base and I was like, oh my God, we're going to blow the game.

It's going to be completely my fault. And then we struck out the batter to end the game was just great. Do they only keep you around because you're semi-famous? Semi-famous. I'm sure they don't want me there anymore. It's very sad. Is this your last year playing softball?

I don't know. I love the guys. Like there were such good friends. It's like great. Maybe you can be the manager. I'm not that bad at fielding. I'm not that bad, but. Are you the worst fielder on the team?

You just talked about dropping a pop-up at second base. I also caught some pop-ups. No, I'm not the worst. I'm not the worst fielder on the team. And I'm actually a very good base runner, even though I got thrown out on a terrible base running play last week. But yeah.

Oh my God. So wait, wait, wait. The day after Mother's Day, you're gonna play two sporting events and watching a game. So I am DVRing the game and hoping that I can somehow avoid my phone. But yeah, I'm gonna be out all night, yeah. You think you're gonna be playing softball

in the New York area? Softball, no, softball, we'll all be watching it on the bench, like checking in on it. But the game's at 7.30, softball's at seven. After softball, I'll be, like I'll know the score at halftime, and that's pretty much it. And then I'll hopefully play tennis, not check my phone, come home, watch the rest of the game.

They'll be down by 20 at halftime anyway, so it won't even matter. Anyway, I hope you guys have a wonderful night. Sefer Heath. Good luck. Yeah, thank you. We will talk to you on Wednesday with players who are the toughest to rank

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