Fantasy Football Today - DFS Lineups, WR Reflections, Coaching News (01/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: January 27, 2022Let's set some DFS lineups for the conference championships! We'll give you players we love (1:30) and players to avoid (4:00) this weekend. Is Joe Burrow the easy play? Should you avoid Eli Mitchell... and Cam Akers in tough matchups? We'll also go through each position (9:15) and give some lineups for you to consider (18:50). Bengals stacks will certainly be popular ... News and notes (25:10) as the Broncos have a new coach and the Saints no longer have theirs. Then we play a new game called "Name That Tiger" (35:00) and discuss the WR position in 2021 (37:40). What lessons did we learn? ... Early sleepers, breakouts and busts (48:00) at WR for 2022. Watch out for those Year 2 WRs! ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com including one about the most underrated Adam Sandler movie Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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On his way to the end zone.
Tell you what, that was a spectacular play.
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
What a play.
Off to the races.
Touchdown.
Oh, he's done it again.
Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck.
All right, Joe Mixon, the most expensive running back on the DFS slate,
at least in FanDuel, I assume in DraftKings.
Why didn't I know that? I should know that.
Would you like to know that?
Yeah, I would like to know that.
The answer is yes.
I told you.
He's the most expensive guy on DraftKings.
Very unprepared for today.
I'm very self-conscious for today's show.
I really shouldn't even be here. Jamie,
take over. I'm out. You like your dishwasher?
You're broken?
My stupid, yes, stupid broken dishwasher.
Still broken. Still not replaced.
What a saga. Three deliveries.
Three failures by the company that I ordered it from.
Hopefully fourth time's a charm.
I'll keep you all posted.
Anyway, Nixon might be someone you want to go to.
It is not easy to find great running backs
with a good matchup this week in DFS.
We'll talk all about that.
We got Ben Roethlisberger retiring.
We got a head coach hiring.
We got head coach rumors.
We got Sean Payton stepping away.
We got big, big stuff.
We got a new game called Name That Tiger.
Name That Tiger.
Okay.
And as we talk wide receivers here,
let's talk DFS.
We'll start with a little DFS.
Who's someone that you love this week, Dave Richard?
I like Tyler Higbee.
On DraftKings, he's 3,700,
and I'm lowering the guidance for all the players in DFS.
There's only two games,
so instead of looking for three times value,
we're looking for two times value, and hopefully they do a little bit better
than that,
but the dude should be able to come through for nine,
10 PPR points without breaking much of a sweat.
And I don't think the matchup is too terribly horrible for him.
I know he's had one good game this year and one not so good game against
San Francisco.
He might've had two good games.
Actually,
I'd have to double check my notes.
I guess that qualifies as kind of good.
So I think that he's an easy guy to go to when you're trying to save money to start as many studs at other positions.
Yeah.
Actually,
if you look at tight end and you Zama has been very targeted lately,
I think he has six or more targets and something like six of his last seven
games,
five of his last six games.
Great playoff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's been great.
Two straight games. Higby's getting involved. And so, all right, five of his last six games. Great playoff so far. Yeah, yeah, he's been great. Two straight games.
Higby's getting involved.
And so, all right, so there's that.
Yeah, Higby at least 11 PPR points in each of two games
against the Niners this year.
So at least I knew that stuff.
Jamie, how about you?
Who do you love?
I'm still going to play a lot of Jared McKinnon.
You know, I think you've seen what his role is in the passing game.
You know, we'll see if Clyde Edwardslyde everest takes on a little bit more of uh the workload you know now
that he's you know a full game removed from um the uh the shoulder injury like david's removing
his clothing um yeah we'll see how that goes for uh for mckinnon and clyde uh but in any event you
know like you said it's not a great um matchup for the
running backs and so if you're looking for you know some guys that are relatively uh inexpensive
to use uh mckinnon i think still qualifies i did i did four lineups two on each site draft kings
and fanduel and i tried to you know use almost every player just to get you know some some
variety with these guys and so um And so I have four different lineups
that have all four quarterbacks and all the tight ends.
And so a lot of different mixing and matching,
but a lot of McKinnon based on his price.
Yeah, keep going, Dave.
Let's go.
Get that shirt off.
I was so warm wearing my jacket, I had to take it off.
You didn't hear what I said.
No, I didn't hear anything you said.
I said uh now that
clyde everett's layer is two games or will be two games removed from his shoulder injury like
davis removing his clothing it was perfect timing uh all right how about players be comfortable if
i'm doing the podcast now so yeah full disclosure for me i i uh had had a fan to a lineup it did
not have a draft kings line yeah full removal full removal for
me um so yeah that's why i didn't know the pricing but i will by the end of the show that means your
wife is sleeping everybody's awake uh okay uh so how about players to avoid jb who are you avoiding
uh well like i said i tried to get a little bit of everybody,
you know, just to have some exposure to all these players.
But the ones that make me the most nervous,
I mean, Beckham's two games against the 49ers are absolutely miserable.
You know, so we'll see how he does.
He's clearly been so involved.
And he had, I think it was 10 targets in the second game against the 49ers,
but just did not do anything with those 10 targets.
So he makes me nervous.
I think we're going to see, you know, Chase.
I was surprised he's not priced higher, but, you know,
he's not going to have the game that he had the last time against them,
clearly, with over 200 yards receiving three touchdowns.
So probably people are going to be chasing him, no pun intended.
I'm trying to think who else makes me the most concerned.
That's hard.
Well, to me, it's like Eli Mitchell, Cam Akers.
They have terrible matches.
You know you're playing on Fandle when you call him Eli Mitchell.
Why?
Because that's what they call him.
The only place that he's ever called Eli Mitchell.
Well, it looks like on DraftKings he's Eli Mitchell.
No, he's Elijah on DraftKings.
I don't know.
I'm hovering my mouse over his name and it says Eli Mitchell.
I thought it was Elijah on DraftKings.
Maybe you switched it.
But no, Mitchell has a bad matchup.
Like, the Rams and the Niners run defenses are just exquisite.
He's had good work and production against the 49ers.
He just has not scored.
Who? Akers or Mitchell? Mitchell also, but... Wait, who are you talking about? Mitchell. production against the 49ers. He just has not scored. Who, Akers or Mitchell?
Wait, who are you talking about?
Mitchell.
So against the Rams, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if I want to start him in DraftKings.
He doesn't necessarily catch the ball.
He's the second most expensive running back.
So that was what was concerning to me.
That's why I felt like I kind of had to have Mixon
because I just don't love the running backs.
I don't know what the Chiefs are going to do,
and I don't love the matchups for Akers and Mitchell.
Mixon felt like,
even though he's running like crap lately,
he's so involved
in the passing game. Chiefs give up the third most
receiving yards
to running backs.
That was my read on running back. Dave, how about you? Who are you avoiding?
At running back or just overall?
Just in general. I couldn't really find a lot of avoids except for maybe trying to get away from bad matchups on running back. Dave, how about you? Who are you avoiding? At running back or just overall? Or just in general. I couldn't really find a lot of avoids
except for maybe trying to get away
from bad matchups at running back.
I mean, I don't want to use Garoppolo.
I know that there's going to be a temptation
to try and go cheap at quarterback
to try and spend elsewhere.
But Garoppolo has just been playing so poorly
and this Rams defense has been playing so well.
It really took Brady a while
to finally get going against him last week.
I think it's going to be hard for Garoppolo to do it.
Garoppolo didn't even crack 20 fantasy points in each of the first two games
that they played against each other.
I think that he's just not worth it.
And I disagree.
I don't mind going.
I'm just taking the chalk with running backs.
I'm going with the studs.
I'm going to put Mixon and Mitchell both in my lineup.
I'm nervous about what to do with the Kansas City running backs.
Don't really want to trust either one of them.
For me, it's that they're just too expensive.
Edwards-Hulaire, 5,300 on DraftKings.
McKinnon is 5,100.
McKinnon was a much more appealing play when he wasn't so expensive.
And now that he's the fourth most expensive running back,
I just can't take the chance on him.
Yeah, he's the third most expensive running back on FanDuel.
So there is this wild, wild, wild.
There's two games.
Yeah, but he's more expensive than Clyde.
I feel like Cam Akers is cheaper.
You can pick any Rams running back, and he's cheaper if you really want to.
I mean, listen, you're taking a chance picking a Rams running back.
I think you're taking just as much of a chance picking a Kansas City running back at this point.
And is Darrell Williams definitely out?
No, he practiced in full.
Right, so who knows how that rotation's going to look.
I would imagine it's probably the same.
That makes me want to take Daryl Williams if he's going to play.
He's 4,200, ninth most expensive running back.
Cheaper than Daryl Henderson, junior.
He is coming off the two-fumble game, obviously.
That's a big deal.
But does it make sense you know
what we might i was going to do dfs later might as well just do it now um does it make sense to
save money on at running back and on fan duel eli mitchell is is 800 more than acres on draft kings
mitchell is 900 more 900 more okay so Okay. So who would you rather go with,
Mitchell or Akers, given the savings?
Mitchell.
I don't think the savings are worth it.
Again, it just depends on what you want to do.
I did two DraftKings lineups
where I won with Mitchell and won with Akers.
Okay.
Are you guys worried about Akers losing his role?
A little bit.
I don't think he's losing his...
He's not losing his playing time.
He's not going to sit.
So they're not going to bench him for Sonny Michel.
He may be in more of a time shift.
Right.
Like, he's not going to go from whatever percentage of snaps
he played last week to zero.
Right.
It's going to be...
They're going to give some other guys a chance.
I don't know if Henderson's playing yet or not.
I know that they ruled him out relatively early last week.
Okay.
So with that said, let's just go position by position here.
We'll wrap up DFS.
We'll give you some lineups.
Then we'll get into the wide receivers.
We'll play Name That Tiger.
And read your emails, by the way.
FantasyFootball at CBSi.com.
We have an Apple Podcast question to read as well.
At quarterback, we'll start with DraftKings.
Mahomes, 7,400.
Burrow, 66. Stafford, 63.
Garoppolo, 5,400.
What's the best play there?
Burrow? Yeah.
That's what I was going to say was Burrow.
I don't mind Mahomes either, but I feel like
most people gravitate toward Mahomes
or Stafford.
And Burrow's the one that's figuring to have the best game script and not a terrible matchup.
I'm going to guess everybody's playing Burrow based on his price.
He's right in the middle there, though.
Like, if you look at Mahomes, he's obviously more.
He's 800 more.
Burrow's 300 more than Stafford.
Right, but Burrow just lit up this Chiefs defense two weeks ago. Okay, well, then if we had an inclination that that was going to be the case,
then I would pivot to Stafford easily.
To get the less owned player.
Right.
They're basically the same price.
There's a difference of $300.
If I was going to get the roster percentage,
it probably would be Burrow, one, Stafford, two, Mahomes, three,
Garoppolo, a distant fourth. Right. They're the same price. Bur one, Stafford, two, Mahomes, three, Garoppolo, just in fourth.
Right.
They're same price, Burrow and Stafford, same price on FanDuel.
So who would you go with?
I mean, just in a vacuum, Burrow.
Burrow.
There'll be more exposure to Burrow.
Okay.
Running back, did you feel like you had to have Mixon?
Mixon is averaging 3.3 yards per carry in his last eight games.
He is, yeah, eight games.
And he has seven straight games with 46 to 65 rushing yards.
But he also has four straight games with four to seven catches.
So that helps.
Chiefs give up a ton of catches, ton of receiving yards.
Yeah, did you feel like you had to have Mixon?
He is the most expensive.
Or could you go with Akers and Mitchell or Akers and McKinnon or whatever?
I used Mixon in both my FanDuel lineups.
I did not use Mixon in any DraftKings.
Why?
Just because price.
I'm essentially punting running backs on DraftKings.
I don't think it's that much a priority,
given what the options are and the price.
I have one lineup with Mitchell,
just because I think he's the second best running back this weekend.
I would prefer more just pass catchers.
And so I'm using McKinnon in both,
both my draft Kings lineups that I've built so far,
just because I think he'll still have his role in the passing game.
Okay.
Dave,
you,
you want,
you said you want to get the chalk at running back.
If Williams plays,
if Daryl Williams plays,
I'm going to use him.
And I'll probably peel off of Mixon.
And then I've got a ton more to spend at other positions,
which is groovy.
Okay.
Wide receiver.
Cup and Samuel are the most expensive.
Tyreek Hill, and then is it Chase Hill?
Sorry.
No, it's Cup, Debo, Hill, Chase.
Those are your top four on DraftKings.
Wide receiver on Fandle, it's Cup, Debo, Hill, Chase.
So why shouldn't we play Jamar Chase,
who had 266 yards and three touchdowns against the Chiefs a few weeks ago?
He's got four straight 100-yard games
if you remove the 9 nine percent of the snaps that
he played in week 18 and the chiefs actually like they're they're not bad against outside
receivers typically but they were against chase and they've also now given up a 200 yard three
to four touchdown game to two wide receivers in their last what four games yeah right so this is
what i always said about the chief is like their defense is playing so well.
They haven't played anyone.
Let's see what happens when they play good offenses.
When they play good offenses, they wilt.
So I don't know how I don't play Jamar Chase if he's the number,
if he's the fourth most expensive wide receiver.
And then Higgins, by the way, is the fifth most expensive wide receiver.
Yeah, I mean, the two Bengals guys, they're begging you to play him.
Right.
And so, you know, it's just a matter of, again, how many, you know,
how much exposure do you want to probably the most popular play?
And so it's just a matter of, you know,
you almost have to either go that route and say,
I'm going to just play the chalk and take my chances with other players
or completely avoid it.
So, I mean, Chase is, to me,
is probably going to be the most rostered player on both sites this week.
Where do you think Debo comes out on that?
I mean, his price is so high, but he beat them up.
Twice?
It's just a matter of do you want to spend the money on it?
Hopefully he's 100%.
They say he's going to be fine.
Yeah, I would imagine he's – these are the players you want.
You want to have Kup. You want to have Sammy. You want players you want. You want to have Kup.
You want to have Sammy.
You want to have Chase.
You want to have Tyreek Hill.
So if you can find a way to get two or more of those guys in your lineup.
And then Higgins, his price is also – to me, Higgins is kind of the cutoff
because then you're dealing with Beckham and some of the other random guys.
I still think Beckham is worth using, but he just has struggled.
But you get into the Tyler Boyd, Byron Pringle,
you know, group, and Jefferson group,
you know, and it's not exactly the most comforting.
Brandon Ayuk, you know, he didn't have some great games
against the Rams either.
So it's just a matter of what you trust.
Debo had 29 PPR points in each of two games
against the Rams.
Wow.
At his price this week, if he gets you 29,
that's four times value at 7,200.
Debo's in my lineup.
Okay.
Goes without saying.
And I,
I,
you know,
Jamie brought up Pringle,
Boyd,
Jefferson,
and I'll throw a Juwan Jennings in there too.
These are the dart throw receivers where if you're trying to save some
extra money so that you can spend up at other receiver positions or
running back or a quarterback,
you can pick one of these guys. I kind of like Pringle. he's four right 4300 um he's just been playing a lot he's basically the number two receiver now well i guess you have to call him
the number three receiver because kelsey and tyreek are one in a and one b but he's been playing a lot
should get some good opportunities against cincinnati if that Bengals defense is running out of gas here down the stretch.
How do you feel about Brandon Ayuk?
He's more expensive than the guys you were mentioning, but he's not expensive.
He's coming off, I think, a one-target game,
but that was with Garoppolo and bad weather throwing 19 times.
Usually he's in the six seven target range
something like that uh how do you feel about iuk this week i i don't feel like he's going to be
very popular no not at all and so if again these these are the type of players that if they hit
you're going to be successful yeah so you know boyd is people are going to be scared off boyd
because what happened last week too um you know know, Van Jefferson, Meikle Hardman.
You know, these are the type of players that if you're looking at building your lineups the right way,
they're going to come through for you if they hit.
So you have to take some chances on these guys, and hopefully Ayuk is more involved in better weather.
But, you know, it's kind of you have to play out the game in your head.
Okay, do the 49ers throw more than 19 times?
You know, are they going to be playing with the lead if their run game is going?
And so I would probably put,
I think the 49ers win the game.
So I think, you know,
probably in the 25 passing
pass attempts range.
Okay, let's go to tight end here.
Sorry, tight end.
Does it make sense to get Kels?
Who's the best value?
Higby.
Higby.
I can't.
On FanDuel, Kittle was
only $300 more than Higby.
You know, I kind of feel
like... On DraftKings,
Kittle's $1,300 more than Higby.
So that's easy.
Maybe Higby's going to be better than
Kittle. I mean, Kittle's been cold.
But I can't turn him down.
Yeah, but if he catches that pass that he dropped,
it's a different conversation right now.
Oh, yeah, he's got an 80-yard game last week.
He had four for 63 on six targets.
He has been cold, I get it, but I have a hard time getting him out of my lineup at his price,
at least on FanDuel, where he's basically the same as Uzama and Higby.
Would you agree with that?
Or no?
If you were just doing tight end rankings this week,
no price, what are your rankings?
Well, I mean, I did it.
So it's Kelsey, Kittle, Higby, Yuzama.
Right.
So you should probably go with Higby.
You could probably go with Kittle and FanDuel
since he's basically the same.
Right, and Higby on DraftKings.
Okay.
And all right, how about a DST?
I just played
the cheapest ones
that I thought would be
successful. So the 49ers, I think they're begging
me to take them.
And then the Bengals and a couple lineups.
I can't bring myself to use
the Bengals on DraftKings when the Niners are 200 more. Yeah. Basically, what I did was FanDuel, Bengals in a couple of lineups. I can't bring myself to use the Bengals on DraftKings when the Niners are 200 more.
Yeah.
It's basically what I did was
FanDuel was Bengals and DraftKings was Niners.
I don't know if I could bring myself
to use the Bengals, period.
I think the Chiefs...
Just because they're going up against the Chiefs, right?
The Chiefs are 3,700 on FanDuel.
The Bengals are 3,200.
The Rams, 45.
The 49ers, 4,200. So the Chiefs are $3,700 on FanDuel. The Bengals are $3,200. The Rams $4,500. The 49ers $4,200.
So the Chiefs are the second
least expensive on
FanDuel. On DraftKings, if you
use the 49ers and then you're done sending
your lineup and you still have $400 left over, you
can move up to the Rams.
You could have a loaded lineup
without really sacrificing
a DST, I think.
Well, I mean, I have Clyde Edwards either in my lineup,
but it's pretty loaded.
Other than that, I'm FanDuel.
I put him in one lineup.
Yeah, with the Rams DST.
I mean, the Bengals do not have a good run defense,
so there's no reason why he can't have a 60-yard game
and maybe a touchdown, something like that.
But obviously, it's a little bit wishful thinking with Clyde.
What did he have last week?
He had seven carries for 60 yards and one catch.
Okay, let's give some lineups then.
Jamie, give me your favorite lineup.
Give me your favorite FanDuel lineup
and your favorite DraftKings lineup.
Go with FanDuel first.
Sure, I'll FanDuel first.
Or whatever you want, I don't care.
I'll do my favorite DraftKings lineup first.
So it's Burrow at quarterback,
McKinnon and Akers at running back, Cooper cooper cup debo samuel jamar chase at receiver uh yuzama
tight end tyler boyd at the flex and niners uh defense dst so a bengal stack there with burrow
burrow chase he's on one boy okay dave i've got burrow and chase as my stack as well on draft
kings but i'm different everywhere else.
Mixon and Mitchell at running back.
I have Debo too.
Debo I just can't live without in daily this week.
Juwan Jennings is my cheap dark throw at wide receiver.
Kelsey at tight end.
Higby is the flex.
Had to get him in there at that cheap price,
and I had enough left over to use the Rams' defense.
My DraftKings lineup is four Bengals.
Bengals heavy? Come on. Let's go
DraftKings. Bring up this lineup, please.
Burrow, Chase, Higgins,
and
Mixon. Cam
Akers, Tyreek Hill,
Tyler
Higby, and George Kittle, and the
49ers DST. But I have 700
remaining, so I could go to a different DST.
Um,
but yeah,
Burrow,
Mixon,
Akers,
Higgins,
Chase,
Tyreek Hill.
I like three of the five best wide receivers plus Higbee and Kittle and the
Niners,
uh,
FanDuel.
I'll just,
it's pretty similar for me.
It's Burrow,
Mixon,
Chase Higgins.
That's the staple of my two lineups.
Burrow,
Mixon,
Chase Higgins. Um, I have Clyde Edwards,ups. Burrow, Mixon, Chase Higgins.
I have Clyde Eberts-Ziller at running back. I have Brandon Ayuk
at wide receiver. Oh, you know what? These lineups are almost exactly the same
now that I'm seeing them. So it's Burrow, Mixon, Higgins, and Chase.
It's Kittle at tight end. I also
have Tyreek Hill in both lineups. I have Clyde Eberd-Ziller on FanDuel.
I have Cam Akers on DraftKings.
My
flex is Brandon Ayuk
on FanDuel and
Tyler Higby on DraftKings.
I have the Rams on FanDuel
and I have the Niners on DraftKings.
Okay. Dave, FanDuel lineup
or do you not have one? I do not have one.
Jamie, FanDuel lineup?
You want the Niner stack or the Ram stack?
Oh, the Niner stack.
All right.
Jimmy D, a quarterback.
Nixon and Akers are running back.
Cup, Debo, and Byron Pringle.
George Kittle, T. Higgins, and the Bengals DST.
And by the way, here we got Sia Najad watching.
He is on our Fantasy Football Today DFS podcast
as Bengals Heavy for the win.
I hope that wasn't supposed to be WTF.
That was not a typo.
He says FTW, Bengals Heavy, FTW.
That's our DFS expert, Sia Najad.
And thank you for weighing in there.
Appreciate that.
All right, guys.
We're all kind of feeling the Bengals stack,
including Sia. Yeah,
seems that way. So maybe Jamie
is right all along.
So, I mean,
you got to kind of just, you know,
buy into one side and feel how it's
going to play itself out. Yeah, alright. So, who's
going to win? What's our Super Bowl?
Repeat of Miami.
Chiefs 49.
I'm going to take the Chiefs.
I really still haven't decided on the
NFC side. I'll use the Rams
as a placeholder for now.
I think, yeah, Chiefs
and Rams.
I'm rooting for the Niners.
And I guess the Bengals. I don't really care, I guess.
But
I just have this affinity for the Niners. I don't
know how they're going to win. The Rams are playing
really well.
The same way they won the last six
against the Rams.
I know, but man, the Rams are
playing so well, and now they're not allowing people
from outside the Los Angeles area
to buy tickets.
That was like a 24-hour thing.
They look
really good right now, but the Niners
should not be messed with. Trent Williams is
a huge deal
if they can't use him.
I'm going to go with the Rams
against my heart, but I did that last
week with the Packers and it didn't
serve me well. It's a better game
if it's Rams-Chiefs. That's the one
from an eyeball test you'd like to see because
clearly it's more of a
high-scoring affair. The 49ers
are not going to get to that point total
that the Rams will get to. I don't
want another team to
host the Super Bowl. I don't know if that
matters to you at all. I don't know. I just think
it's kind of cheap.
Well, someone's in line for it
every year. Well, this one in line for it every year. We'll actually have, you know,
a full stadium.
What's that?
This one will have a full stadium.
I mean, last year's stadium
wasn't full.
I don't remember that.
It wasn't full?
No.
By the way, I'm going to make
my favorite prop bet right now.
I think you guys are going to approve.
We're going receiving prop. We're going receiving prop.
We're going Joe Mixon.
And over 27 and a half.
I don't understand why that's not higher.
I mean, that was one of the easiest props to play last week.
By the way, I'll have all my lineups written up on the site
with a bunch of props as well.
So I crushed props last week.
It was fun.
It was a fun weekend.
But yeah, the Mixon receiving prop,
I mean, he's been so involved in the passing game the last month.
Yeah, and the Chiefs are just a great matchup for that.
Last week, I played Aaron Jones over and Leonard Fournette over,
and I mean, Aaron Jones cleared up by like 100
and yeah I mean I think
I don't know maybe a little bit
market inefficiency
I don't know what the hell it's called
but over receiving yards for these running backs
that are involved in the passing game
I should have promoted this a while ago
but Ben Schrager's not here
so don't tell him I messed this up
but next week we have Monday game recaps.
Tuesday, we have tight end strategy and reflections.
Thursday, we have some 2022 projections and rankings.
We're going to do your news and notes,
and then we will get into wide receivers after that.
Ben Roethlisberger retired.
Not a huge surprise.
We've been preparing for that.
But let's talk about the coaches.
Denver hiring Nathaniel Hackett,
the Packers offensive coordinator.
Let the Aaron Rodgers rumors begin.
Yes.
Fun stuff here.
Sean Payton stepping away for at least one season.
You saw the report about Adams and Rodgers
going to Denver together, right?
I did not see that report.
Yeah.
So that's a strong rumor that if rogers gets traded there
that uh devante adams will look to sign there if he's not getting the franchise tag so which means
the packers will franchise him and try and get a pick an extra pick out of denver for him uh
potentially um which makes a lot of sense um the uh the potential trade package that I saw for Rodgers will include Jerry Judy going
to Green Bay.
Oh.
So what do you think of Hackett
just going to the Broncos, Dave?
Think he can hack it?
I think
it'll be better if they
have a good quarterback solution, obviously.
I don't know if Hackett is going to be
some whiz kid head coach like we've seen from other guys around the obviously. I don't know if Hackett is going to be some whiz kid head coach
like we've seen from other guys around the league.
I know he's been under a lot of trees.
He was originally a Doug Marone protege
when they were working together at Syracuse.
The fun story that I remember from that year
was that they scrapped their entire offense
at the start of their training season.
So like a month before the season starts, they scrapped and rebuilt their entire offense in the start of their training season. So like a month before the season starts,
they scrapped and rebuilt their entire offense in Syracuse and it worked
really well for them so much so that Marone got the job in Buffalo and took
Hackett with them.
So I think that he can be innovative and clever,
but I don't know how good it'll do Denver.
If they've got mediocre quarterback play.
All right.
Imagine that division. If he goes there, if Rodgers goes there.
Oh, my God.
Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, and let's give Derek Carson credit.
But still.
Still, come on.
That's just murderer's row right there.
If I'm Rodgers and I'm looking at it and you see what this AFC looks like compared to what the NFC looks like in terms of what the quarterback play is, you know, at least for next season.
But who knows for the next couple of years?
Why would you want to leave Green Bay?
You know, you have to go through Mahomes, Josh Allen and, you know, for whatever it's worth, you know, Burrow and Herbert and, you know, he's a competitor, man.
Well, obviously.
Bring it on.
But again, the path to the Super Bowl,
not that it's helped him very much,
but the path to the Super Bowl is certainly much easier in the NFC
just from a quarterback play.
But if he leaves, if Rodgers leaves and Brady retires,
I mean, think about it now.
The opportunity for Stafford, potentially.
Daniel Jones.
Huh?
Oh, stop.
Daniel Jones. No, but, you know know it could play into Russell Wilson's decision you know if you're looking at it like why would you want to leave
you know unless you're going to another NFC team um stay in Seattle and have an easier path to the
Super Bowl uh Stafford's path to Super Bowl much easier you know now Deshaun Watson could change
that if he goes to an NFC team obviously he stays he stays in the NFC, but Dak Prescott and Matthew
Stafford and Kyler Murray,
hopefully he gets things worked out.
And Russell Wilson,
those are the best quarterbacks right now in the
NFC. Sean Payton
stepping away. So what do
you guys make of this, Dave?
I understand why you're
asking when you took Alvin Kamara the other day.
Yeah, right. We talked about this.
It's obviously going to change how things work in New Orleans
because Peyton was really a good offensive schemer.
He was helped along by having Drew Brees as his quarterback, of course.
But he was really – I almost think that one of the best things
that Sean Peyton did was find under-the-radar talent.
You think about Colston.
You think about Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore.
You could even look at other guys this year.
I'm probably blanking on some of those guys this year that really stepped up
who came out of nowhere.
He's really good at that.
And then he's good at using them in his offense, whether it's a small role
like little Jordan Humphrey or Marquez Calloway.
That's who I was thinking of, these guys just are, you know,
finds off the street and he,
he puts them in good position to make plays and he does it on both sides of
the ball. No one knew who Chauncey Gardner Johnson was until he went to new
Orleans. Really.
I think it's definitely going to impact new Orleans there.
And I'm worried about what the offense will be like.
Are they scrapping the whole thing?
Are they going to try and keep the playbook as it is?
And same thing with Denver.
Who's the quarterback going to be?
Because they've got Taysom Hill right now.
Jameis is a free agent.
Do they try and upgrade?
Do they try and make a big splash trade to get someone like Deshaun Watson?
Or do they chase Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, somebody like that?
They can't afford it.
I don't think they can.
They are the most salary cap strap team in the NFL.
And like the Packers,
they're going to have to
basically blow up one side
of the football in order
to get back to square one
with the salary cap.
It's going to be a really
rough year.
Here's what you need to do
as a dynasty manager.
You need to be selling
Alvin Kumar now because
there's a very good chance
that he gets traded.
He's he's their most
tradable asset on offense.
You look at this defense.
There's so many older players.
Why would you trade him?
Why would you sell him if he's going to get traded?
Wouldn't it be a good thing? Well, you don't know where he's going.
He could be going to a situation
that's clearly worse from
where he's been in terms of
his value with the Saints.
He's still at a very high level that I, you're getting good capital in return for him.
If he gets traded to a worse situation before the trade happens, you could be in trouble,
you know? So, um, and, and there's no guarantee he does get traded. You know, I mean, he may be
the one thing that they decide to build around from an offensive standpoint. Uh, Michael Thomas,
you should be selling because, you know, he's, he's not at the height of what he has been but
if this quarterback situation stays the same in a
worse offense then it
could be even worse for him so
he's probably somebody that you
could
get something good value in return
for but I'd be selling those two guys right now
they can trade Camara
if he's designated a post
June 1st trade they can save 11 million
bucks on the salary cap but i don't know if that's kosher uh in the wheelings and dealings
of front offices uh to get under the cap by the time the the year starts they'll save a lot less
if they trade them when the league year starts in march and i gotta look up michael thomas i
wonder if thomas is the one to go and buy,
because if he gets traded,
theoretically he'll go to a team where he can be the number one receiver
there.
And like,
you're basically betting on him being in a better spot than what he would be
in,
in new Orleans with Taysom slash Jamis question mark slash whoever,
and a new offense there.
So I,
I got to double check his cap situation.
All right.
If they trade him,
they only save 2 million bucks.
I bet they're not trading him.
He's a,
he's a $22.7 million cap hit one way or the other.
So I bet they keep them.
So scrap what I just said,
unless they figure out a way to restructure his deal before they trade him,
which is always possible.
Yeah.
But as it stands now,
maybe he's not such a great buy low candidate.
I think there's a question about him in the,
in the building there.
So he might be somebody that they're looking to get rid of.
Right.
So then again,
they could restructure his deal.
It's not so bad against their cap.
He does them a favor by restructuring and then they trade them away. Yeah. This team is, is really in a bad spot. Yeah. It's no good bad against their cap. He does them a favor by restructuring, and then they trade him away.
Yeah, this team is really in a bad spot.
Yeah, it's no good.
All right, some more news here.
Brian Dayball, the favorite to be the Miami head coach,
according to the New York Daily News.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
San Francisco left tackle Trent Williams,
mispracticed Tyron Matthews.
Do you like what they said about Daniel Jones yesterday?
Who cares?
I mean, they stood by the press conference.
I like it because they're self-aware.
Of what?
That they know they've screwed him up
for the first three years of his career.
They screwed him up?
It's not all the other people's fault.
He hasn't played well.
I mean, he hasn't had a good situation.
Their offensive line stinks.
But he hasn't played well.
Tyron Matthews still in the concussion protocol.
Now, at one point, the Chiefs were without three cornerbacks last week.
Fenton practiced in full, so he'll be back.
He missed the game last week.
I didn't see an update on Travarius Ward, but they could be missing two.
Didn't Ward come back in the game?
Did he?
I thought he did.
Okay.
Well, then let's just say it's Matthew in the concussion protocol,
and otherwise they're good.
Philadelphia right guard Brandon Brooks is retiring.
He was a true stud, but he's only played two games in the last two seasons.
And Rob Gronkowski said that if he had to decide right now,
he would probably retire, but that could change.
He needs some time to think about it.
Full practice reward on Wednesday.
All right.
So the Chiefs are pretty healthy except for Tyron Matthew,
which is obviously a big deal.
We are going to take a break.
When we come back,
we're going to look back
at wide receiver,
tell you the lessons
that we learned,
and look ahead with a sleeper,
a breakout, and a bust
at the wide receiver position
when we come back
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Yeah.
Name that tiger.
I'm going to ask a very simple question,
and you have to tell me,
Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.
All right?
That's it.
No Russell Gage in here.
Just Jefferson or Chase. Here's right? That's it. No Russell Gage in here. That's just Jefferson or Chase.
Here's how we'll do it.
Jamie will go first on the first one.
Dave will go first on the second one.
You will keep alternating.
And I will keep a tally of who got it right.
All right, here we go.
Name that tiger.
Who scored more half PPR fantasy points, Jamie than Dave?
Of those two?
Yeah.
Chase.
Jefferson.
More touchdown catches.
Dave.
Chase.
Jefferson.
More red zone targets.
Jamie.
Jefferson. Jefferson. Jamie? Jefferson.
Jefferson.
More rushing yards.
Dave?
Chase?
Chase.
Who weighs more, according to pro football reference?
Chase.
Jefferson.
Who had more catches last year, Dave?
Jefferson.
Last year being 2021?
Yeah, 2021.
Sorry, 2021, yeah.
Jefferson.
Jefferson, okay.
And who had more catches as a rookie?
Who had more catches in his rookie season?
Jamie.
Jefferson.
I'll say Chase.
According to Wikipedia,
who was the first NFL player to be added to Fortnite
with his dance, Get Gritty?
Dave.
Jefferson.
Jefferson.
Okay.
More half PPR fantasy points.
It was Jefferson.
Dave gets the win there. No, I do. chase uh more touchdown catches it was chase dave gets the win there more red zone
targets you both got it it was jefferson more rushing yards you both got it it was chase
four to two dave who weighs more? It's Chase, according to Pro Football Reference
by 5 pounds. Jamie, you got that.
It's 4-3. More catches.
It was Jefferson. You both got it.
More catches in his rookie season.
It was Jefferson.
Jamie got it.
And that means we tied because you both got it
right on the last one. Justin Jefferson is
the first player to be added to Fortnite with his
dance. Get gritty. Congratulations! You
tied! And name that
Tiger. Wow. Yeah.
Did we get Joe Burrow as a prize?
Sure. Sure. Why not?
You have him in all your DFS lineups.
Alright, let's do some wide receiver observations. Dave,
you said something very interesting on Fantasy Football
today in five. Would you like to repeat that factoid
for us about wide receiver? Absolutely.
The top 12 average in PPR leagues in 2020 was 17.3 points per game, meaning you take
the top 12 overall point getter. It's not a per game basis. You average them down to a per game
basis, 17.3. That constitutes a great game for a wide receiver from that season. Do the exact same thing for 2021. And that number is 17.3,
the exact same number year over year.
In fact,
the number for top 12 in full PPR,
half PPR,
none PPR,
exactly the same across the board,
14.4 and half PPR,
11.5 in non PPR.
Jamie,
what stood out to you?
That's pretty amazing.
It's crazy.
What stood out to you, That's pretty amazing by the way. It's crazy. What stood out to you,
a wide receiver,
Jamie?
Um,
that there were a lot of busts based on the ADP for,
uh,
our site compared to where they finished.
Um,
you know,
obviously,
uh,
Alan Robinson,
he was a top 12 receiver based on ADP bust.
Um,
Terry McCorn was a bust.
Deandre Hopkins was a bust,
you know,
so some of that's injury
related clearly uh quarterback you know related injuries uh but that's you know just looking at
points per game uh deandre hopkins is not a top 12 receiver point per game um and mccorn and uh
and robinson flopped aj brown same thing he also was a was a bust based on his average draft
position compared to his point per game finish.
Well, I'll tell you what stood out to me, man.
Each of the top three wide receivers in non-PPR,
that would be Cup, Debo, and Chase,
and three of the top five wide receivers in full PPR,
same three, they just didn't finish top three in full PPR,
they were all drafted outside the top 45.
That's in Fantasy Pro's ADP.
Cup was 46th.
That is, I went back 10 years.
That's the only time that's happened in at least the last 10 years
where three of the top five in full PPR
were drafted outside the top 45.
And furthermore, Chase and Debo Samuel
were drafted outside the top 70.
The last time I could find a wide receiver who was drafted outside the top 70 and The last time I could find a wide receiver
who was drafted outside the top 70
and finished top five in PPR was Josh Gordon.
I think that was 2013.
Yikes.
It really never happens,
and it happened twice this year.
And Debo is such a strange case
because of his rushing totals.
I mean, if he took away his rushing totals,
he would have been ninth
in non-PPR and 11th in
full PPR. But if he took away his
rushing totals, he would have been more involved in the passing game.
That's kind of what happened. They stopped
throwing him the ball. They started handing the ball off
to him. But anyway, I just thought that was
really interesting, guys. And also,
Cup being the number one wide receiver,
being drafted 46th overall,
that range of wide receiver, 39th through 51st,
what I found seven of the last 10 seasons,
we've had at least one top five wide receiver drafted 39th through 51st, Dave.
So as you said yesterday, running back dead zone, pivot to wide receiver,
and there's top five upside there.
Oh yeah, sorry.
I guess I said everything.
I want to get your thoughts about this.
Looking at the last six seasons
and the top 12 in PPR,
so 72 wide receivers,
61% of them were on top 12 offenses.
49% were on top eight offenses and only 15% of wide receivers who have
finished top 12 and PPR last six years,
only 15%.
It's 11 of them were ranked.
We're on offenses that were 20th or worse in scoring.
So Jamie, what is, what does all that, if anything, you know, mean to you?
Not much. I mean, you know, I think you,
you obviously want to attach yourself to a good quarterback. You know,
I think that's a big part of it. You know, having somebody that's going to,
you know, feature your number one receiver, you know,
that's the type of receiver that you want on your fantasy team. But I don't think it matters if your offense is that receiver. You know, that's the type of receiver that you want on your fantasy team.
But I don't think it matters
if your offense is that great.
You know, I mean, it certainly helps
because your quarterback's going to be better,
but I don't think it's something
you have to necessarily say,
I have to have a top five or top 10 offense
to get a great wide receiver performance out of it
because there are other factors that go into it.
You know, how good is the run game?
How many other receivers on the team are producing?
So it doesn't necessarily have to be,
I need the best offense to have the best wide receiver be I need the best offense to have the best wide receiver
or consistently have the best offense
to have the best wide receiver.
I don't want to make it that you have to have the best offense
because it's only half of the top 12 wide receivers
in the last six seasons have been on top eight offenses.
61% have been on top 12 offenses.
I think the bigger thing to me is that
it's rare to get a guy on a bad offense.
You know, like, for example, you had a top 12 in full PPR offense produce, I'm sorry,
you had a top 12 wide receiver on the Steelers and the Dolphins, and they were 21, 23 in scoring,
something like that. I think, you know, it's risky when you start looking at teams that might
just have terrible offenses.
And it's even riskier in non-PPR and half-PPR because you're not going to get the Jalen Waddell catch-a-thon.
Yeah, the boost with the receptions.
Right, or the Hunter Renfro boost with receptions.
But I don't know.
I mean, maybe there just aren't that many receivers
that we take that high that are on bad offenses anyway.
But is that something we should be considering?
Is that something that we should be considering in the middle rounds?
I don't think anybody's drafting somebody going,
drafting anybody from these offenses that you know are going to be bad.
Like, you know, we had this Kenny Galladay conversation the other day
about nobody's drafting Kenny Galladay with the expectations
he's going to be a top 12 wide receiver.
You're drafting him with the expectation that he's going to be
maybe a top 36 wide receiver or hopefully a top 24 guy. Okay. So then, so then let me, let me phrase it differently then.
What if you're talking about mid round picks that you're looking for breakout potential
and maybe you took DJ more over Cooper cup, you know what I mean? And maybe the lesson is
when you're looking at the, the, the next tier, the next group, the rounds four through six,
we know a lot of wide receivers are going to come off the board there.
Is that where we should be focusing on offenses
and trying to attach ourselves to the high scoring offense?
Yes, that's the more appropriate way to, I think,
frame this conversation of where do the breakouts lie?
The breakouts are going to lie more with good offenses.
So, you know, that goes without saying.
So they're going to have some obvious, you know, flaws in that, you know, and the flip
side of Cooper cup was Robert Woods who had, you know, a few good games, but obviously wasn't
consistent and certainly did not live up to the expectations that we put on him going into the
season. So, you know, I think when you get into it, like, you know, just looking at, uh, do you
want the ADP from CBS last year and see how those guys performed, you know,
in,
in relation to their offenses?
Cause it's probably pretty telling.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
So Adams was one Tyree kill was two.
You know what those guys are capable of with their offenses.
The fondings was three Hopkins was four,
you know,
and we,
we know what happened to him,
you know,
with injuries to himself,
those quarterback,
and then just spreading the ball around.
Ridley's a different conversation.
He was five Metcalf,
six Jefferson,
seven Keenan Allen,
eight AJ Brown,
nine Terry McCorn,
10 Allen Robinson,
11 Robert Wood,
both right there,
10 and 11 really stand out,
right?
McLaurin and Robinson,
right?
But the,
the expectations were,
you know,
and I certainly was over the moon for Terry McCorn was that his quarterback
was going to pepper him with targets,
you know?
So even though the offense might not have been successful,
that that was the case.
And that was the case for Alan Robinson,
because that's what we've seen from him, you know? And so, you know, the,
the red flags were there, you know, and I know Adam,
you were probably the loudest about that of you know,
Justin Fields is probably not going to feature Alan Robinson to the same level
because he's mobile and he'll move a little bit, you know,
and you were saying that a lot.
And I don't think that was necessarily the reason why he was a failure because
most of his failure started with Andy Dalton, but it was just, you know,
part of it.
And then he got hurt and the COVID situation and wasn't able to ever recover
from, you know, the, the slow start and the struggles.
And so, but it does lend itself to, you know, and even AJ Brown, you know,
I mean, that's probably a guy that you can, you can say it because they're not going to have a
very prolific passing attack. Uh, but the hope again is that he fits the mold of, you know,
120 to 150 target type of guy and that he delivers those big numbers. But we had that conversation
the other day that that might not be the case for AJ Brown that you're banking on touchdowns for him.
Okay. So why don't we do a, why don't we look ahead to sleepers, breakouts, and busts
through some early prognostications.
There is news the Bears just potentially hired their head coach.
Oh, who?
Who's that?
Any guess?
Ditka.
No, I really don't have a guess here.
Dave?
I'll just say Flores, even though I don't think it's him.
I would be surprised if it was Flores. Who was it that? Oh, no. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if just say Flores, even though I don't think it's him. I would be surprised if it was Flores.
Who was it that...
Oh, no.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Flores
because he and Poles have a relationship.
I'll say Flores.
It's not.
It's Matt Eberfloos.
He's the new head coach of the Chicago Bears.
Wow.
Really?
Yep.
What do you think?
Yeah.
I've always felt like the Colts' defense was pretty underrated.
They had some really good talent there.
But honestly, I thought it was all just thanks to two really great players
in the front seven.
The fact that they were as competitive as they were on defense last year
was Kenny Moore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're right.
Kenny Moore definitely counts.
He's a slot corner there too.
So three really good players.
And they got some good play out of Xavier road.
So I'll take that back.
But,
but I,
I just,
I remember looking at their pass rush coming into this year and thinking,
is this really going to be good enough?
I just,
I don't know.
And they stayed competitive even without a great pass rush. They'll have a better pass rush to work with in chicago obviously it just uh first
off he's got to hire the right offensive coordinator clearly that's the next step for
our purposes uh the the the um the chain of events for him just amazing if you think about it remember
how he got his job josh mcdaniels hired him when he was the uh brief stint when he
was the name the colts coach and then they kept they kept him as the defensive coordinator even
though mcdaniels backed out of the job and now he's the head coach of chicago bear that's great
good for him congratulations and yes that offensive coordinator hire will be what we react to as we're
hoping for a big breakout from from justin. So let's go back to wide receivers.
We'll finish there.
Then we'll read your questions to end the show.
So give me your favorite early sleeper,
Dave.
I told you on FFT and five that it was Nico Collins because I just wanted to
go crazy and give somebody like really low end on the sleeper chart.
I don't know.
I think he could end up being a decent target hog there in Houston,
the number two target getter.
Showed some flashes toward the end of the year.
He's a big receiver.
It's a team that I still think is going to be chasing points a lot.
And I know we just got to talking about how you want to get receivers
that are matched with great quarterbacks and are in strong offenses.
Well, not every receiver is like that. And you're talking double digit rounds you might take a
shot on somebody that can at least be usable as a late round pick who maybe could be a bi-week guy
certainly it helps when they skew younger like nico collins is certainly it helps when they skew
bigger like nico collins is so i would say i i've seen him go in like round 12 plus in our mock so far this year.
I don't have a problem with it. Jamie early sleeper, Josh Palmer, Josh Palmer, Josh Palmer,
give me all the Josh Palmer. I can get, you know, a great quarterback, obviously,
hopefully big opportunity in front of him. If Mike Williams leaves, not that they're going to
do the same things, but just opportunity to get more targets and get more playing time.
Love the setup for him. I know they love him. And so Josh Palmer, I think, is in a great spot.
Somebody I will be taking in almost every draft.
Do you take him if Mike Williams stays?
No, but I don't think Mike Williams stays.
All right, let's do early breakout.
Jamie?
I'll go to Elijah Moore.
He was drafted too soon in our mock draft, going in round four.
But like the setup for him, what we saw when he was healthy.
I think he has a big opportunity in front of him.
If he's going in that range, then that's a little bit too high.
But round five or later is where I'll be looking for Elijah Moore,
and I think he's got a big opportunity in front of him.
Well, Dave, who else you got?
I mean, it's throw a rock and pick a second-year receiver
because Moore is certainly going to be a popular one,
and I think Rashad Bateman will be a popular one.
I want to see what the new Giants coaching staff does with Kadarius Toney
because we saw that flash for two weeks in New York
where he was just the sensational make-you-miss type of receiver.
And if they work hard to get the ball into his hands,
he's going to greatly improve how that offense moves.
So I don't have a problem taking him.
We've seen him go right around pick 100.
I know it's not a great offense,
but I do think that they will try and improve that offensive line.
Coaching staff this year can't be worse than the coaching staff
from the last two years.
And Kadarius Toney could be a great find in PPR.
And an early bust, Dave.
I'll go with Hopkins. I love the guy, and he's such a stud find in PPR. And an early bust, Dave. I'll go with Hopkins.
I love the guy, and he's such a stud when he does play.
But I think he's slowing down a little bit.
We haven't seen the Arizona offense progress to the next level.
Obviously, they went backward toward the second half of this past season.
A lot of that had to do with Hopkins not being there.
But even when he was there, he wasn't dominating targets like he was before. So he looks to me like an older, touchdown-dependent wide receiver,
and I'm not going to take him in that 20 to 35-ish range on draft day.
And Jamie?
It's contingent on what happens with the quarterback situation,
but if Tom Brady leaves, Mike Evans will be a bust.
Um,
I just,
I,
I can't, I can't fathom a situation where he'll be,
he'll be drafted,
especially if Godwin's gone,
he's going to get overdrafted because he'll be the number one guy there.
And you know what we saw from him,
but,
um,
I'm just so nervous about what the quarterback play could be there.
You know,
if it's,
if it's Kyle Trask,
that could be awful.
Um,
you know,
what if it's Jamis? Yeah, I don awful. What if it's Jameis?
What if it's Jameis?
Yeah, I don't know if they'll go that route again.
I don't know if they'll go back to that.
It would seem a little strange, but it could certainly happen.
But that would be good.
So like I said, contingent on the quarterback situation,
but Mike Evans' scenario without quality quarterback play
makes me nervous based on what the expectations will be.
I don't know if I said this on Monday's show,
but he deserves a lot of credit because I dump on Mike Evans all the time.
We're getting shut down by elite cornerbacks and he's faced Darius Slay and
Jalen Ramsey two weeks in a row and he had two really big games.
So good for him.
I think part of that though is when he's by himself.
Sure.
Sure.
But at least he,
but he still did it,
you know? Right. But yeah, you're right. he's by himself. Sure, sure. But he still did it, you know?
Right.
But yeah, you're right.
They couldn't just pivot away.
It's easy for Brady to go away from him.
Right, they couldn't just pivot away from him this time.
I totally get that.
But no, I was surprised, I guess, by the production,
at least the first time.
You guys want more breaking NFL news?
Oh, yeah.
Dan Quinn is staying with the Cowboys. Oh, yeah. News. Yeah. Dan Quinn is staying with the Cowboys.
Oh, interesting.
You want.
Right, right, right.
He's comfortable that he's staying with the Cowboys.
Okay.
It's a good pivot play because if they get off to a slow start, he's the next head coach
there.
Well, Kellen Moore.
Oh, they would give him the double over Kellen Moore.
There's this guy who used to coach the league.
Oh, that's right.
They're not going to fire him and bring in Sean Payton midseason.
No, but you know who's going to be the next coach there.
Well, if he gets them to the playoffs and they win a Super Bowl,
which could certainly still happen if they fire Mike McCarthy,
then yes, he would still be the head coach.
You guys are talking about Sean Payton, obviously.
I hear Sean Payton actually likes Miami more than Dallas.
Yeah, but that job's open now.
All right, let's read some questions here.
Apple Podcasts from Dolph Eazy.
Keeper question that could very well change in August.
We are allowed to have one keeper next year from our current roster,
and the keeper you select for 2022 will be a round ahead of where you took him in 2021.
Yep.
Okay.
Good way to do it.
Yeah.
I think we already answered this one.
Yeah, we did.
Jonathan Taylor, this is not my fault, I swear.
It's not your fault.
You send the notes. It's my fault. You put. It's not your fault. You send the notes.
It's my fault.
You put the emails in there.
I should have read it beforehand.
Jonathan Taylor in the first round
or Debo Samuel in the seventh round?
No, Debo Samuel in the sixth round.
We did answer this, yeah.
Yep, we did.
I don't remember what we said, though.
We said Debo, right?
Yep.
I thought I said Taylor.
You said Taylor.
That's right.
Okay, well, listen. I hope it was more. You said Taylor. That's right. Okay, well, listen,
I hope it was more helpful the first time. Let's read some emails.
Who do you prefer for the next three seasons, Justin Fields
or Trey Lance? This is from Joe.
Oh, boy.
Can we answer that once
we find out who the offense coordinator is for Chicago?
Well, we answer questions multiple times
now, so...
I'll say Phil. We can answer now and now, so. I'll take it.
We can answer it now and again next week.
I don't think Garoppolo's staying in San Francisco after this year.
I will take Trey Lance. All right.
This is from Zach from an Olympic city north of Seattle.
Vancouver.
Dear Hawk, Stark, Kadarius, and Soprano.
Those are Tonys.
They are.
I'm floating CMC, Christian McCaffrey,
out for trade in my 10-team Superflex PPR league.
My other running backs are Derek Henry,
Javante Williams, Jeff Wilson,
Devante Freeman, and Jordan Howard
and other trash
unplayable options.
Okay, I am asking for
Pittman, Sermon,
Tony,
2022 first round pick
105 and 2023
first round pick. Is that
a good enough offer for McCaffrey?
He's looking for Pittman, Trey Sermon, Kadarius Tony, and a first round pick. Is that a good enough offer for McCaffrey? He's looking for,
for Pittman,
Trey Sermon,
Kadarius,
Tony,
and a first round pick this year and next year.
And that would be pick one Oh five this year.
Yeah.
If you can get that for McCaffrey,
I think that that's the type of value to expect.
Maybe a little bit more than what to expect.
You might be getting a good deal there.
It's a lot.
Yeah. So, you know, mcafree is a polarizing
player right now everybody that's had him on their fantasy team for the last two years is going to
promise to never take him again you know what the upside is chris towers is going to bang the drum
for mcafree for the next six months on why he should be the number one overall pick and everybody
can figure out why but is is he going to come through is he going to be able
to stay healthy and be effective for the next two or three seasons and i don't think anybody can
answer that confidently that he will but i also don't think anybody can say well he's trash he's
done it's over and if you think that that is the case if you're really going to rationalize that
what we've seen over the last two years is a harbinger of things to come you would take that deal without the picks so just that you can get two interesting
young receivers plus two first round picks for mcafree yeah the more i sit here and think about
it the more i think that that's you're ripping somebody off if you get that same deal for henry
though you take it too for sure all right this is from b. Startup Dynasty, half PPR, three receivers, two flex.
Holding the startup draft soon.
And what?
Hello?
Yeah, I'm so confused by this question.
I'm holding the draft soon,
and I'm using kickers as placeholders for the rookie draft.
The first kicker gets drafted 101.
I see. So when you draft a kicker, that means that you're getting the 101 in the rookie draft. The first kicker gets drafted 101. I see. So when you
draft a kicker, that means that you're getting
the 101 in the rookie draft.
No, you're just using... It's like what we do
when we do those drafts. You're just using the kicker's
name to replace... No, no, no. I don't think they're
actually picking the rookies.
I think they're picking...
Let's say it's round three and there's nobody I really
like. I draft a kicker and I'm the first one to take
a kicker. That's the 101 pick. The next kicker. I see. That's the one-on-one pick.
The next kicker is the one-oh-two.
The next kicker is one-oh-three.
Gotcha.
How would you quantify their value?
When should I look at getting a top five rookie pick?
That's really interesting.
I don't know that I've done a startup draft.
Why would you do a draft now?
What's that?
Why would they do a draft now?
I don't know,
but I've never done a startup dynasty draft
with rookie picks that are not players.
They usually do a separate rookie draft.
This is basically putting the rookies in this draft pool.
Okay, that's interesting.
Okay, when should they go off the board?
I mean, round two?
This is a startup dynasty draft.
Right.
Can you name the player that you would take?
Can you name the rookie that you would take ahead?
No, but I'd like to have that option, potentially.
He doesn't have to take the player.
They don't have to take the player.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable ready to answer this
other than saying maybe like round four for now,
just because-
Mark Chase and Najee Harris were the top two players
going into the-
Right, but we knew about these guys.
We knew about them.
But it doesn't matter.
They don't have to know about where they are.
No, it doesn't.
You're taking that player.
But who's the player?
Who are you leaving behind that's a veteran
that's in the startup draft?
Okay, what I'm getting at is,
if you knew you're doing a rookie,
a startup draft,
now Jamar Chase is the number one overall player in most dynasty leagues.
Number one,
if you have the opportunity to take that player,
you'd be taking it first overall.
Does that player exist?
Is there a receiver as good as Jamar Chase? Yeah,
but when you have to make that decision.
So let me ask you like,
well, okay. Is there a receiver as good as Jamar Chase? Yeah, but you have to make that decision. So let me ask you, like... Round two.
Okay, so if you're choosing between pick 101
and a rookie draft or CeeDee Lamb,
because this is not last year.
There are not going to be maybe any skill position players
in the top 10.
But again, you're trying to project out
for at least three years.
So if I get the chance to take somebody
that might be great for the next three years, I'm going to pounce on that if I have an
opportunity to, where I'm taking still a great player in round one, a great young player in
round one, that's going to be good for many, many years, hopefully. And then I'm going to take a
chance on somebody. That's the earliest I would pull the triggers in round two.
So what about C.D. Lamb? What about that example?
I would take the 101 over C.D. Lamb.
How about the 101 or Dal-one or Dalvin?
CD lamb is not making it to the back end around two and a startup dynasty.
Shouldn't.
Uh,
how about,
how about,
uh,
Dalvin cook?
I don't think Dalvin cook makes it back that far either,
but you know,
Dalvin cook is still probably a back end of the first round pick.
Yeah,
I know,
but you're saying you,
okay. So you're saying you'll take Dalvin cook before one-on-one in the first round pick. Yeah, I know, but you're saying you...
Okay, so you'll take Dalvin Cook before 101
in the rookie drafts.
Yes.
So what about Christian McCaffrey?
I would take the 101 over Christian McCaffrey.
Okay.
Dave, any thoughts?
Yeah, I don't know if there's a player
that I love enough to take ahead of Christian McCaffrey
in the rookie,
in the rookie class of 2022.
Don't hold me to it.
There's going to be plenty of time between now and April.
But for now, there just isn't that big name.
There were so many big name players that we already knew about this time last year.
And this year, I just feel like a bunch of receivers are hurt.
The quarterbacks, they all have flaws.
The running backs, there isn't like a dominant running back.
There isn't a Najee.
There isn't a Jonathan Taylor.
So I don't know if I'm willing to say that.
I think I might take McCaffrey and Lamb ahead of the 101.
I think I'm going to fall in love with, once I learn his name, Garrett Wilson.
Sure, he's fun.
Both of the wide receivers from Ohio State I really like a lot.
Good wide receiver draft, but none of them are currently projected to go in the top 10,
at least in the CBS mock draft I'm looking at.
Traylon Burks of Arkansas projected to go 11th in our latest mock draft,
but last year you had potentially three top 10 picks at wide receiver.
Devontae Smith fell to 11th.
Okay, and then last question here is from Bill.
I would like to know if it's possible that The Wedding Singer
is the most underrated Adam Sandler movie.
Otherwise, which one is it?
Which one is?
The most underrated?
Yeah.
So what, you'd say Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are probably the best top two.
Yeah.
And wedding singer would be right up there with them.
Wedding singers out saying,
I don't think it's underrated at all.
Yeah.
I think wedding singer and water boy,
what would be,
that'd be,
those would be the next two for the top five.
I mean,
what's the fifth one?
Some people like little Nick.
Well,
I'm not necessarily looking for the best.
I'm looking for the most underrated.
Yeah. But I'm saying like, if it's a top five Adam Sandler movie,
it can't be underrated.
I guess so, but The Wedding Singer is really, really good.
I mean, it's not just funny.
It's very good.
Yes.
Very enjoyable.
It might be underrated from that perspective.
It's a great flick.
What about Eight Crazy Nights?
I've never seen it.
Oh.
You like it?
It's good?
I love it. Yeah like we have a vote
here for Big Daddy
I don't think Big Daddy
is underrated
I think Big Daddy
is appropriately
that'd be the top five
there's your top five
Adam Sandler movies
I really like
I mean people
hate this movie
so this is
a polarizing one
for me
but I really like
Just Go With It
with Jennifer Aniston
it's a good one
I think 50 First Dates
is a good one too
50 First Dates is okay yeah to me Just Go With It with Jennifer Aniston. It's a good one. I think 50 First Dates is a good one too. 50 First Dates is okay, yeah.
To me, Just Go With It is the most underrated Adam Sandler movie.
It's not a great movie, but it's not grown-ups.
You know, it's good.
It's definitely watchable.
All right, fun stuff.
Thank you, Bill.
Thank you, Dave and Jamie.
Good luck, everybody, in your DFS tournaments this weekend.
Got me to say the word tournament.
And Dave, watch Taken tonight or tomorrow.
You got three days before football starts.
Watch Taken.
Report back.
I'll do my best.
Good luck.
Bye.