Fantasy Football Today - DO NOT DRAFT LIST! 10 Players to Avoid at Current ADP (07/31 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. It is Monday morning, and this is Fantasy Football Today. And we are telling you who we're not drafting. Ten players that we are not drafting at cost. We also have some pretty big running back news. Jonathan Taylor, two Seahawks running backs. What's the deal in those situations? And football is back this week.

Thursday, the Hall of Fame game. Pretty sweet. Now that's all well and good, but we're also going to tell you today about the Fantasy Football Today Open, which is going to be amazing, and you'll learn about it soon. I'm Adam Azer with Heath Cummings and Jamie Isberg. Heath, you have the face of someone who is really looking forward to the Fantasy Football Today Open. I cannot wait for the Fantasy Football Open. I am so fired up by the Baked Burger Dynasty League

startup draft. I just want to draft all of the teams all of the time. Please give me a draft to do every single day from now until the season starts. No, don't be like that. This is something that we're all very excited about. No, I'm saying for real. Oh, okay, okay.

I want to draft every day. Can't ever tell with this guy. Jamie, crazy weekend with NFL news, but before we get to that, why don't you guys just give me one player that's on your do not draft list at cost, and give me 30 seconds on that player. Jamie, go ahead. The biggest thing you said there is at cost, because I'm not drafting Patrick Mahomes at number 12 overall.

I would love to have Patrick Mahomes on my fantasy team, obviously, but to take him at the end of the first round, and this is a one-quarterback draft that we're talking about. You get him at 12 in a super flex or two-quarterback league, that's a steal of steals. But I just think to take him in the first round when there's clearly some potential of Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts being better, I would rather wait that out and not take a chance on the Holmes at 12.

All right, Heath, how about you give me one player that's on your do-not-draft list that current ADP? I think most of the quarterbacks were, but I think we're going to talk about news. One of the changes I made just this morning, I'm not drafting Joe Burrow as the fourth quarterback. I'm not drafting Joe Burrow as the fifth quarterback. I'm not drafting Joe Burrow as the sixth quarterback.

He's behind Justin Herbert now at QB seven for me right now in, according to cost, he's at pick 27 as the fourth QB. And hopefully, like, I do think there's a chance that we get to the end of the year and we're like, ha ha. I remember when people downgraded Joe Burrow because of a training camp injury, but calf injuries linger. And I just don't think there's any reason with the other elite options we have at quarterback to be taking him that high any longer. So the ADP we have been using is from NFC. And in the month of July, there's almost 200 drafts at this point. I just want to see where burrow is going in the last three days.

So he was 27th overall in the month of July in the last three days, he's 36th overall. I just ran a Twitter poll this morning asking you're on the clock and redraft today. Are you drafting Joe burrow or justin herbert it's 48 percent burrow 44 percent herbert no and then the other people are too gutless to say anything so they click see results all right well look yeah let's get into the news and notes now and uh you know i was going to start with the running backs we might as well just stay on burrow

here you obviously have moved him down a little bit. You're behind Justin Herbert. And how about you, Jamie? Because one report from Mike Garofalo of NFL Network says that a week one return should be realistic for Joe Burrow. Have you moved him down? I have not. And actually, I moved him up right before the injury happened. I moved him ahead of Justin Fields from six to five. I would probably readjust that. But I can certainly see Justin Herbert going ahead of him. I mean, look, when you're looking at these seven guys, but I think really you separate them four through seven because the top three, I think, belong in a tier by themselves,

Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts. Then it's really, I think, you're nitpicking on who has the chance to be better because you know what Lamar Jackson and Justin Field can do with their legs, and that's not replicable by the other guys. And then you look at what Burrow and Herbert are going to do with their offenses throwing the ball, and if he's hurt and does miss any games, I mean, we're expecting at this point week one,

so if he's not going to miss any games, I don't think you should necessarily downgrade him. But like he said, this is a soft tissue injury that could linger. They might be a little bit more cautious with him early in the season because they definitely have Super Bowl aspirations. I can see passing on Burrow, certainly passing on McCost, and going with somebody else in that same tier. I thought one of the things, Adam, that you got most right at quarterback last year

was that Joe Burrow's second year off the injury should run more. And he did. He had five touchdowns instead of two. He had 250 yards instead of 114 from the year before. I'm not projecting him to miss any games right now. But as of right now, I wouldn't expect him to run as much as he did last year early in the year

yeah i guess i can't really say the history of people with calf injuries and if they run well i don't know but it's a good point he you know he was somewhat of a factor he did have well you said five rushing touchdowns kind of probably a little bit high i would think um right but uh okay so burrow if you consider him in that tier and you're nervous about him, then I could certainly make sense. You could drop him down and Jamie gave you the other end of that. But also you could sit here and you could say, hey, if I like a guy and he just got injured in July, six weeks before the season starts, that could be a great thing. So maybe that's the case for Jonathan Taylor, who may or may not be injured. We don't really know.

But certainly. Doesn't sound like it. According to him, no. But, you know, I did see one report that said he was legitimately injured and that's why he was on the pup list that it wasn't because of the contract. So Jonathan Taylor has requested a trade and they say he had a back injury and they might put him on a non-football injury list. And it looks a little ugly right now, at least from the outside with Colts and Taylor. And then you got the Seattle situation.

If you like Ken Walker, if you like Zach Charbonnet, you say buy the dip. You know, this is a time where people are going to be maybe a little nervous to draft him, and you might be able to take advantage of that. But Jamie, you can go first on Taylor. What do you think about Jonathan Taylor right now? Well, when you say legitimately injured, I think that's the ankle.

You know, the story that came out last night was that he has a back injury, and that might put him on the NFI list, which means, you know, we're getting very technical here from an NFL standpoint, but they could not have to pay him for the 2023 season, which would just allow his years of service to accrue, and he'd be back for 2024 at the same price. It's messy.

It's obviously messy. You know, so is a team going to trade for him? It's so difficult at this point based on salary cap because they're going to have to pay him, I think, if you trade for him, or is he just going to put him in the same situation? I would think for people who are drafting, he's no longer a first-round pick. There's too much risk attached to it right now. And I think it's even hard to say he's an early second-round pick. So I've dropped him to the back half of round two.

I think you've just got to almost put him in the same scenario as Josh Jacobs. There's uncertainty. There's questions. Until we get some answers, it's easy to pass on him. And then, again, like you said, Adam, you get them at the right cost. That's when you sort of jump into it. So anything I think after around pick 20th overall, I'm willing to buy both those guys because they're still the same upside if they get their situation settled. But I think right now there's just some question marks, and that's why I think you just maybe

go a different direction when you're talking about the first 15 to 20 overall picks. I do think I'm more concerned about Taylor than I am Jacobs, at least for now, just because of the weirdness of Jim Irsay and him publicly talking about so much of this stuff and then whatever the leak was with the back injury and Taylor coming out and saying, I don't have a back injury, I never said my back hurt. It seems more acrimonious.

And so that one worries me a little bit more, but I haven't downgraded Jacobs yet. So I'll probably downgrade Taylor a little bit today. Definitely not in round one. Still think the most likely outcome for both of these guys is they're going to play week one. And I think in terms of Taylor, look, he's not good, but it's not a bad idea. I did this in a Dynasty League over the weekend. I picked up Zach Moss. He was just sitting there. If you're

able to make ad drops right now, why not? Now Evan Hall is going to have an opportunity. He's their fifth round rookie. We'll see if Deion Jackson gets a chance, but we saw last year that Zach Moss in a terrible situation, and we know he's not great. Volume matters, and I'm sure they're going to run the ball still a lot. Oh, boy, did we have some fun Zach Moss. Should I start Zach Moss or this guy in my fantasy playoffs late last year? I don't even remember.

All right, let's see. He had 24 carries for 81 yards at the Vikings. He had 12 carries for 65 yards. Remember that game? Well, that was the game Taylor got hurt. Oh, that was the biggest comeback in football history, yeah. Yep. Then Fantasy Championship against the Giants, 15 carries for 74 yards.

He got work, and then he didn't do anything really with it until week 18, which didn't count for anyone. 18 carries, 114 yards, and a touchdown against the Texans, and three catches for seven yards. They did not throw4 yards, and a touchdown against the Texans. And three catches for seven yards. They did not throw to him. He had four catches on the year. No, in that stretch, he had four catches after the Taylor injury.

Okay. For the Seahawks, so, all right, Heath, break it down. Ken Walker has a groin injury. They're calling him weak to weak. Zach Charbonnet out indefinitely with a shoulder injury. And your thoughts? I'm moving both of them down. I think one of the things I said like back in January or February when we did our

things we learned from last season, I said, I'm going to stop ignoring injuries so much. And so I'm going to remain true to that. I already said it with Burrow. I was already so low on Walker that there was no chance that I was going to draft him and redraft. I think Charbonnet now you can't take before probably round 11 or 12 and

Walker. I can't imagine taking before round seven. Oh, but if I could get Ken Walker in round seven, I'd, I'd be thrilled with that. Because I remember two seasons ago, I think it was, DeAndre Swift had a preseason injury. That's the thing.

I think I want to make that point. Some of these guys who are hurt are going to be fine by week one, and you're going to be wrong. But some of these guys who are hurt are going to have terrible 2023 seasons. Yeah. I think you're factoring it in by taking him in round seven. If you're taking him still in round four or five, that doesn't help justify the injury. You really don't want to take an injured player.

But I think it's the same thing like Taylor. If they follow you at the right price, how do you not take a chance on them being healthy and them being the type of player that they can be? The difference for me would be if they said Charbonnet is going to go on IR, then I would agree. I have pretty big concerns that when both of these guys are healthy, Ken Walker is going to turn into a trap back.

I think Charbonnet is probably going to be better in the passing game and he's probably going to be better in short yardage. I don't necessarily disagree, but I think if you tell me Charbonnet is going on IR, Ken Walker is probably a second round pick as opposed to a seventh round pick. If he's healthy, yes. But I mean, you tell me one guy has a shoulder injury, one guy has a groin injury. Obviously I have no idea, but I'd rather, if I had a guy on my fantasy team, I'd rather him have a shoulder injury. And my concern with Walker is that he doesn't – that Charbonnet comes back next week. Walker's out until the third or fourth week of the preseason, and Charbonnet makes a lot of inroads there. And, you know, I'm a believer in Walker, though.

I'm a little bit different than you. I believe in him. I mean, obviously, you can't justify what we were thinking, maybe first-round pick before the NFL draft. But I just think he's awesome. He's really good at the things that we like. He is the type of player who often fantasy managers like more than coaches do. I'm not putting that label on him.

I understand why you're saying that. He was boomer busty on a carry-by-carry basis. Not just that, but also he's not a guy who's been good on passing downs. Yeah, I mean, right. Look at Seattle running backs and how many of them have been good on passing downs?

Well, I mean, the biggest thing is what the team has told us. They told us that there was something that they were missing, that they were willing to invest a second round pick for the second year in a row on that same position. Yeah, I get

that, but he was phenomenal last year. He was, but he did it with little competition. I understand. I think, you know, before this, a few days ago, you couldn't draft him before the fourth round. Hopefully the fifth round. But if you tell me I can get him in the seventh round with his talent, I could see that really paying off.

Well, you drafted him in our Dynasty League. I did. And you did it knowing that this could be a problem for the next three seasons. Yeah, it could be a problem for the next three seasons. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it could be. I'm not going to talk too much about our Dynasty League, but I remember when I drafted maybe like the fifth round or something like that. Why don't you want to talk about it? Because Heath is going to win?

No, we got sidetracked here. But, you know, I think there's history of running backs being drafted and not having as big a role as we thought, you know, even in the second round. And even for Seattle, they drafted Rashad Penny in the first round, and they had Chris Carson. And it's not like Penny just came in and took the job. I don't even know if he got hurt that year or maybe he did later in the year. I think it's a pretty safe bet. I don't think he got hurt early. or maybe he did later in the year. I think it's a pretty safe bet. He definitely got hurt. I don't think he got hurt early.

I think he just didn't win the job. He might have been hurt in camp. You took him at a good spot. You took him in round five. Again, it's debatable who's better, but you guys could probably talk this out, and this might matter to redraft leagues as well. You took Ken Walker in round five. Keith, one, two, three, five picks later,

took Damian Pierce in round six. And so they're the same year of service. They're getting the same amount of potential time on their rookie deals, because that's really what matters for these guys at this point. So Heath, would you have considered in this draft, in a dynasty league, Walker or Pierce?

Walker over Pierce? Yes. I like Pierce a little better this year, but I think Walker probably has more longevity than Pierce does. But yeah, those guys are right in the same range for me, both high-end number two running backs for dynasty purposes. If they were 100% healthy, I would probably take Walker. That's interesting.

I would take Pierce also. I drafted him before the injury, Ken Walker. Yeah, I mean, clearly Walker. That's interesting. I would take Pierce also. I drafted him before the injury. Ken Walker. Yeah, I mean, clearly, yeah. Alright, so listen, I've got to get through the rest of the notes here. Actually, you didn't, because he's been dealing with this. It's just reported, because he missed a couple practices before this happened.

The Rams running back Sonny Michel is retiring. Is it Sonny? Sonny Michel. I don't know if I said that name right. Kyler Murray says there's no timetable for his return. He didn't rule out week one, but still no timetable. Justin Fields signed someone's baby. That was interesting. Someone held their baby up and he signed the jersey.

It was kind of cute. Ezekiel Elliott visited the Patriots. Ty Montgomery is injured right now for the Patriots. Perhaps was going to be their third down back. So he's dealing with something. I think the day before he got hurt, they changed his designation. They had him listed as a running back slash wide receiver. And that day before he got hurt, they changed his designation. They had him listed as a running back slash wide receiver.

That day before he got hurt, they changed it to just wide receiver. They said that day he just took snaps with the wide receiver. I don't know if that matters or not. It certainly matters for Pierre Strong. The Dolphins signed cornerback Eli Apple with Jalen Ramsey out until December. Two

Giants wide receivers came off the pup list, Sterling Shepard and Jamison Crowder. Sterling Shepard had 10 targets in two of three games last year. And over the last four seasons, when Daniel Jones has been on the field, Sterling Shepard is at a 23.4% target share. Does anybody care about that? Yes.

Yeah, they have 45 slot receivers, and this is the one that Daniel Jones loves the most. Like, seriously, can you list all the slot-wide receivers on the Giants? Well, I said two of them. Shepard, Crowder, Paris Campbell, Wanda Robinson. There's more, aren't there?

Maybe Jalen Hyatt could play. Cole Beasley, that's right. Yeah, that's too many. DeAndre Swift has been used mostly in the passing game so far. Pene Sewell, Detroit offensive tackle, he's in the concussion protocol. I think that's terrible news if that's the case. Oh, for Swift?

Like if it's Rashad Penny on early downs and DeAndre Swift in the passing game, I think that's really bad news for Swift. Yes. Is it bad news for A.J. Brown, Dallas Goddard, Devontae Smith? No, I don't think so. It just depends. I mean, I don't think it's like drop them in any draft boards,

but I do think that, look, they didn't throw to Miles Sanders last year, and they just may not value Miles Sanders in the passing game. They may value significantly DeAndre Swift in the passing game, and that's just a new wrinkle of what those offense could look like. They had the fewest running back targets in the NFL last year. And Dallas tight end Luke Schoonmaker is dealing with a foot injury. Is anybody drafting a Dallas tight end in redraft? I would.

I mean, I did this in the Fish Bowl. I think if you're in a tight end premium league, Jake Ferguson. That's one of the other things I'm adjusting today. It sounds like Ferguson is quite a ways ahead for that role. So, yeah, I had them kind of splitting the targets. All right. Last time I'm telling you, because this is the last day to vote, nominate us on podcastawards.com.

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10 players to avoid based on ADP. And this is current ADP from July 1st through July 30th on NFC. So, Jamie, it's not that I disagree with you, that you say you're avoiding Patrick Mahomes at 12 overall, but it is my job to play devil's advocate. So here's my, you said to start the show, Mahomes was one guy you're avoiding 12th overall. Here's my devil's advocate.

You say, I'm not going to take him because Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen could be just as good. Well, if you have the 12th overall pick, you're not getting Hurts or Allen at the 36th pick. At ADP.

Right. You're not, you're either taking one of those. No, no, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're taking one of those three quarterbacks there

or you're not getting one of those three. Correct. I'll tell you the top 20 picks from 2022. Top 20 from last year. Taylor, McCaffrey, Eckler, Henry, Jefferson, Cup. That's pretty good. Najee, Dalvin Cook, Jamar Chase, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, Devante Adams, DeAndre Swift, Stefan Diggs, Aaron Jones, Saquon Barkley,

Kelsey, Lamb, Chubb, Debo. In that top 20, I gave you Jonathan Taylor. I gave you Kup, who got hurt. Najee Harris, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, Aaron Jones, Lamb. No, I'll leave him out. Debo. Mahomes was clearly more valuable than all those guys. I think you could say that Mahomes is going to be one of the 12 most valuable players.

He's just safer than all those guys. There's going to be busts at the other positions. So my devil's advocate would be, yeah, sure, right now it looks better to take Garrett Wilson or Amonra St. Brown or Jonathan Taylor or whatever ahead of Mahomes. But at the end of the day, he's Mahomes. He's not going to be a bust. Some of those guys are definitely going to be a bust, so why wouldn't I just play it safe with Mahomes there? You definitely

can play it safe. I'd love to see what happens to Mahomes. You say he's not going to be a bust if Kelsey got hurt and what that would look like with that receiving core. So, you know, factoring injuries for the other guys because they're more susceptible to it, but what happens if he does lose his best receiver? I do think, though, that it's not necessarily what you do just with Mahomes.

It's what you do with your 12th pick and then what that next spot you would be taking a quarterback in. So let's just say you want to get Justin Herbert, for example, who I think is going to have a much better season. Let's go back to the 26 points per game that he averaged his first two years as opposed to the 19 points per game he averaged last year. So let's put him back in that range. And then you're saying you're getting, who's at 12 on ADP? So I'm not reaching here? Because I would say CeeDee Lamb or Stephon Diggs, that spot? Yeah, St. Brown, Jonathan Taylor, Barkley, Adams.

Lamb is 10 or 11. Diggs is 9. I don't think you're getting him. Okay, so you want to say, let's go A.J. Brown. So A.J. Brown is there or no? Yep. Okay, so A.J. Brown and Justin. Yes, he is.

So A.J. Brown and Justin Herbert versus Patrick Mahomes. And who's in the same spot as Herbert? That's a good question. Godwin? You want a position? Oh, that's Khalil Herbert. We want Justin Herbert. Jameer Gibbs, Amari Cooper, Brees Hall, Travis Etienne.

Okay, so go Amari Cooper. So do you feel better about Patrick Mahomes and Amari Cooper or A.J. Brown and Justin Herbert? I would take A.J. Brown and Justin Herbert, personally. I think I'd take Mahomes and Cooper. That's a good question. You could definitely find a combo there where I'd say I'd rather have Herbert

and A.J. Brown, though. I'm just trying to be what's realistic. That's what I would do. I would rather take the top-end receiver and the next tier of quarterbacks. Okay. Heath, you had Joe Burrow

on this list. We can skip him. We talked about him earlier. that was based on his ADP at 27th overall Heath now has him at QB 7 the last in that team I was wondering because you I think you were pretty strongly I know Dave was too it might be better to ask him but you

were Burrow at 4 over Fields and Jackson right in 6 points I think me dropping him to 7 behind Herbert's probably further than most people are going to go, but would you drop them behind fields and Jackson now? Cause those guys were kind of in a, we kind of discussed those guys being,

there was a top three tier and there was the next three tier, not Jackson, uh, fields. Yeah. I think that's fair. I like fields better than Jackson, but wow. Interesting. Again, I, I, yeah, I almost don's fair. I like Fields better than Jackson.

Wow, interesting. Again, yeah, I almost don't want to say this out loud because there are some opinions that I have that I don't feel super confident in. I'm just not a Lamar Jackson guy. I think there's going to be an adjustment. That's not anything. People who have listened to this podcast for the last few years know that. Well, I think it's been sort of justified the last couple years

with the way he's performed. I can't deal with the roller coaster. But I also just think there's going to be an adjustment period for him in a completely different offense. So, yeah, I'd still take Berto over him. Honestly, I'd probably take Berto over Fields. He's got six weeks to recover from this. So he had the appendectomy almost the same exact time last year,

and he ended up as QB4. He got off to a slightly slow start. So this is a calf strain. I understand that it could come back, and there's that issue. But I can't sit here and say he's a bigger injury risk than Fields and Jackson. So I'm just going to go ahead and keep him at QB4. Okay. But let's talk about DK Metcalf, who's going 28th overall

and is just a really interesting player. And I think you both share this sentiment that you don't want to take him 28th overall in the third round. And Heath, you can have the first word on Metcalf. Yeah, and I don't know if you can look to where he is at wide receiver, but one of the things, like, it's tough to know which training camp videos and hype to pay attention to. But considering what JSN did at Ohio State with Garrett Wilson and Chris Olava on the same team, his start to camp has been pretty remarkable.

Just about everybody in Seattle says he's been the most impressive player at camp the first week. I said this six months ago, maybe, probably not three months ago, that it's not, shouldn't be surprising if JSN is the best wide receiver on this team at the end of this year. And I think it's going to be very difficult for Metcalf to come close to justifying this if JSN's even, like, even with these guys. So it's just, you can really get into some danger worrying too much about too many males to feed because one of Lockett or DK or

JSN could get hurt and then both guys could go to the moon. But I don't want to draft anybody from this offense in the first three rounds, really. I think maybe that would change, maybe, if there were serious injuries to walker and charbonnet but it is early yeah i don't know if that would affect anything for you but

i mean even without jsn how many times probably just once metcalf's been worth a pick in the first 27 picks right yeah the second season um i i think, I don't know if you agree with this, there was every reason to believe that DK Metcalf was going to bounce back. He had terrible touchdown luck. He had a strange stat where his yak per catch was super low when it had been extremely consistent in his first three seasons. It just seemed like he had an unlucky year. But then they drafted JSN.

It's like, okay, well, I can't really make, I don't know if I could make that argument anymore. And Jamie, you share this sentiment, right? And if we look at this ADP, Devante Smith, Chris Olave, Tee Higgins, seems like that's sort of a tier that people have decided on in the early third round.

Smith, Olave, Higgins. Well, this ADP puts DK Metcalf firmly in that tier because the next wide receiver is seven picks later. So you don't think he should go here either, right? No. I mean, you know, the hope would be is that, you know, maybe some of the touchdown regression is what saves him.

But, you know, he's going to see lesser coverage, lighter coverage, you know, with all these guys on the field that they're doing what they're capable of doing. You know, and then you're asking Geno Smith to, you know, perform like he did last year again, which I think he's capable of. But it's just, again, a lot of mouth to feed in this offense that is still going to be a run heavy offense as long as everybody's healthy. So yeah, I think it's just a little too soon to draft DK Metcalf. We had this draft a few weeks ago where I think I told you I was purposely deciding to go running back heavy and I ended up with DK Metcalf in round five

after going three running backs and Mark Andrews, and I was thrilled with that. But to take him in round three or even round four for me is just too soon. So let me lump him in with the next guy off the board in ADP, but all the way, as I said, seven picks later, Debo Samuel. Jamie, you wanted him on this list as a player that you're not drafting at cost, and that's a round three, four turn pick. By the way, if you're watching on YouTube, please hit the Like button.

You can see where we have DK Metcalf ranked. You'll see Debo Samuel as well. Jamie, why are you not drafting Debo Samuel? Heath, you asked earlier, where are these guys among wide receivers? Metcalf right now is wide receiver 15. Debo is wide receiver 16. Jamie? I think it might have changed because when I

looked last night, or at least what I thought I saw was that he was at 33 overall. So he's dropped a couple spots. Round three is just too soon for me for Debo Samuel. We saw last year what the target share was when everybody was healthy. More importantly, we saw what the carries were when Christian McCaffrey

joined the team. And what you're hoping for, I don't think he's going to be as bad as he was last year. He was at 13 PPR points per game. I think he'll be closer to probably 15 or 16. But you're still asking him to be that guy that he was two seasons ago when I think that's the enigma. That's the exception. I don't think he's going to get back to that because I just think there's, again,

if everybody stays healthy, Brandon Ayuk is somebody that's going to command targets. George Kittle is obviously going to command targets. You now have this running back out of the backfield that we haven't seen really in this offense ever for Kyle Shanahan. Most receptions was, I think, like 53 or 55 from Carlos Hyde the first year that Kyle Shanahan was there. So all these guys commanding targets, touches, and you're also dealing with a quarterback coming off a significant elbow injury while he's expected to be fine. What does that mean? Is he back to exactly where he was pre-injury, or is it going to take some time for him to get back to being completely 100%? So target share is a problem.

Run first offense still is a problem. Him not being the guy that's getting those carries as much anymore, I just feel like round three is too soon for Debo Seymour. Yeah, I'm pretty much okay with where he's going. I think the target share issue is probably a bigger – if we're basing it on last year, and that doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going to happen again, it's probably a bigger concern for IUK and Kittle than it is for Debo. There was a game that Debo only played 43% of the snaps.

So if you don't count that one, the first five games he played with McCaffrey, he was averaging 7.8 targets per game. He was the clear number one in targets and still had about three rush attempts a game. I agree with Jamie. He's not getting back to what he was two years ago. But if he was what he was two years ago,

he should be a first-round pick. So I think this is fine. And again, this is another one of those situations where if one of those guys and it could be debo who gets hurt but if one of those guys gets hurt then all of the too many mouths to feed concerns for all the other guys kind of go away and it's also a a touchdown situation too he only topped 60 receiving yards once in the games of brock purdy it interesting, because he was Purdy's favorite target. Well, but Purdy threw for like

200 yards a game. And what's going to change? Right. Well, if that's... Yeah, that might be the case. Did he really only throw for 200 yards a game? I'll get it exactly. Okay. Because he was pretty good. He had two

touchdowns every week was the thing. I was screaming he's not going to keep had two touchdowns every week was the thing. I was screaming, he's not going to keep having two touchdowns every week, and he just kept doing it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So Debo, let me just give you these numbers.

The seven regular season games that he played with McCaffrey. Acer stat week 14 when he played 43% of the snaps. Forget it. There's too much Acer statting. Yeah, forget it. 218 yards per game. Yeah. That's the thing about the 49ers

is there's so many relevant players that you have to... There's so many, well, this guy didn't play this game and this guy didn't play this game and this and that. That's what concerns me is we sit here.

I don't like... You don't like Debo, but that's because everyone's healthy right now. But are McCaffrey and Kittle going to stay healthy? I mean, there's probably going to be some games where Debo doesn't have to deal with all that target share. Plus, as I said, he was Purdy's favorite target

because Purdy's got pretty limited arm strength, so he's not throwing the ball downfield. Well, just put a caveat on that. Don't say don't like Debo. It's just don't like Debo Koss. just don't like Debo across. Yeah. Everybody loves Debo Samuel. You can't like this game and like NFL stuff without

liking what Debo Samuel does. Do you like these guys better in fantasy? Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper, Jerry Judy, Calvin Ridley? I do, yes. I don't think Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper, Jerry, Judy, Calvin Ridley. I do, yes. I don't think I... Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper, who else?

Jerry, Judy, Calvin Ridley. Ridley, when I update my rankings, Ridley is the only one who I'll have ranked ahead of Deebo. Okay, so are you getting on the Ridley train? It was a really good route that they were showing on the internet. But seriously, I think he is someone who you should probably pay a little bit more attention to that with.

We know how good he was at his best. The only question was how long does it take him to get back to that? That's fair. When we did the potential training camp risers, we said he was one that could be one of the biggest. That's Calvin Ridley. Let's talk about Najee Harris now. And he's going 31st overall.

Let me see where he's going. Najee Harris among running backs since July 1st. He is RB11. So that's right after Amandre Stevenson, before Jameer Gibbs, Brees Hall. It's going to be before Joe Mixon, but I don't know if that's... I'll try to get a more recent data point for that. But Heath, you want to start on Najee Harris?

Is this your guy or is this Jamie's guy? Is it not draft? This is mine. This is the rare back-to-back year bust call from me. He was a bust last year, and I think he might be a bust again this year. I just... Like, there's reports, and we've talked about this. I get more concerned about negative

reports than I get excited about positive reports because everybody's saying nice things. And there's reports about his own linebackers talking trash to him about he needs to get downfield. I just don't, it's really not a good sign historically for a back to get as much work as early in his career as Najee Harris has and been this inefficient, both in the running game and in the passing game. Jalen Warren was better at almost everything last year, and I just don't know how much longer they're going to force feed Najee Harris. Jamie, how much does the foot injury that he suffered just before the season started

factor into your evaluation of Najee Harris? Because he was better. They had basically a mid-season bye week. It's like right in the middle. And he was better after that. Plus, they've upgraded their offensive line. I think there are reasons to be optimistic, but certainly Heath lays out very good reasons to be pessimistic.

Your thoughts on Najee? No, I don't disagree. I think you got to factor it in. I think the offensive line will be better. The thing that saves Najee Harris a lot here is his coach and the history of what they do with their lead running back. You know, I mean, it's we've seen some, you know, I don't want to say necessarily bad seasons, but I mean, I guess you could say last year, bad season for Najee.

And they stuck with him and stuck with him and stuck with him. You know, there was the story about Jalen Warren getting more work. And it really never materialized to the point where, you know, Najee was benched or even, you know, coming off the field for significant stretches. And we're hearing, you know, some more of that this year, that they're going to put Jalen Warren on the field. And I think it was eight times last year, if I remember correctly, that they both played on the field together.

You've heard some stories like that, where they're going to do some unique combinations, but we hear that a lot. You never really see it with running backs playing a ton together. So, I think he's still going to be the workhorse, and that's kind of what saves him. He's never going to get back to that passing game. At least, I don't want to say role, but numbers, just because

Ben Roethlisberger was a statue, and Kenny Pickett's not that. So, he's not going to dump the ball off to him to the same degree like we saw in his rookie campaign. So if you can deal with some potential trap-back type of moments, then you'll understand what Najee Harris is. I think he's a guy that sort of is in that mix of a healthy J.K. Dobbins, Damian Pierce, and Alexander Madison, Miles Sanders, guys that you expect to get a lot of work,

but you can see the highs, you can see the lows, and just understand what you're dealing with here. So this is kind of, I think, what I would put in the category of a dead zone running back if things fail. But you guys, are you just assuming that he's not going to be the passing downs back? I don't want to say he's not going to be the passing downs back? I don't want to say he's not going to be the passing downs back. I just don't think he's going to be the passing downs back to what people remember from his rookie campaign.

So is he going to play on third downs? Yes. Is he going to play on every third down like typical Steelers running backs do? Probably not. I have him projected. I was going to see for total number of catches. I don't think he's top 12. I think I have Warren projected for I was going to see for total number of catches. I don't think he's top 12. I think I have Warren projected for more. I have Najee projected for 43 catches

tied with Travis Etienne for 17th. So would you take him in round four? Would you take Najee Harris if he made it to you in round four? Yeah. Late. Mid to late. Okay. Would you take J.K. Dobbins or Najee Harris? Najee Harris if he made it to you in round four? Yeah. Late. Mid to late. Okay. Would you take J.K. Dobbins or Najee Harris? Najee. Yeah, it's hard right now to have a lot of confidence in J.K. Dobbins.

But I would take Miles Sanders over Najee Harris. Jamie, would you take Miles Sanders over Najee Harris? No, I would not, but I could certainly see the argument for it. Would you take Jameer Gibbs or Najee Harris? Gibbs and PPR, for sure. I've got Najee ahead of Gibbs. Heath, would you take David Montgomery over Najee? I think I have them back-to-back.

I think I have Najee and then Montgomery. I've got Najee, Gibbs, Montgomery back-to-back-to-back. All right. By the way, our position previews are starting this week. So we'll have our QB preview on Thursday, tight end on Friday. Next week we'll be running backs and wide receivers. And we'll talk about a tight end after this quick break on FFT. George Kittle, 57th overall.

This is someone, both of you agree? Not going to draft George Kittle in round five? Correct. Heath, you agree? Oh, yeah. There's nobody on this list I disagree with. Okay, okay. Well, Debo, you kind of did.

Right, yes. Nobody left that I disagree with. George Kittle, the one thing that just... Yeah, I don't want to draft him 57th, but the one thing that just gets me with him is he's been top three per game in PPR. Five straight seasons. He just gets it done at the end of the day.

But, Jamie, why is 57th too early for George Kittle? Again, target share. You know, I think you look at what he was able to do when Debo Samuel was out last season versus when Debo Samuel was in, in the games that Brock Purdy played, and it was fantastic. But then when Samuel was there, it just was not the same. You know, touchdown spiked for him at the end of the season. You know, Heath was alluding to that, that Brock Purdy just kept finding the end zone. A lot of that was to George Kittle, and that's why I think Kittle,

despite the fact that one guy's an Iowa guy, one guy's an Iowa State guy, that they still find a way to coexist and get along. I just think that if everybody's healthy, and you said this, Adam, we just haven't seen that consistently from them, but that's Kittle as well, is that if they're all there, is he going to be able to be as successful? So when you start to, again, nitpick these guys, and Kittle is in that, I think, however you want to put Andrew's

second tier, first tier, whatever. But that next group of tight ends from Hawkinson, if you're looking at our YouTube page, but Hawkinson, Pitts, Goddard, Waller, and Kittle, I think all belong in the same tier. For me, he's at the bottom. And I think it's just, he's so good, he's so successful, you'll love drafting him.

I don't have a problem drafting him. I just don't want to draft him here and I don't want to draft him first. Did you give the stat on the games below 40 yards, Adam? Yeah. So over the last two seasons, George Kittle has played 35 games, including the postseason, and he has 40 or fewer yards in 20 of the 35 games. And seven of his last 10. Yeah, but he also has these huge games,

70 or more yards in 12 games. So the weirdest thing is, in his last 40 games, oh no, I'm sorry, in his last 35 games, he only has three games where he's been between 41 and 69 yards. He's either below 40 or over 70,

basically, every time. That's strange. But anyway, yeah, there are a lot of bad games, Heath. He had one game last year between 40 and 80, counting the playoffs. That's weird. 18 games, one of them between 40 and 80 yards. Yeah. I don't really know what to make of that.

I don't know if that will continue. He caught a ton of touchdowns from Purdy, but he had actually terrible numbers with Purdy in terms of his when everyone was healthy. He just was losing so many targets to Debo and to McCaffrey and to Ayuk. He was way in the bottom. I mean, it was four games where they all played, basically,

and he had 16 targets. So that's super alarming. Heath, when would you take Kittle? I have Kittle in round seven. And that's the other thing. It's like I've only got, I've got three tight ends in the first 59 picks. I've got Pitts at 60.

So the very last pick of round five. But I don't, like I've only got four tight ends that I would take in round five technically. And then I've got Goddard in round six and then Kittle in round seven. I'm going to skip around because I feel like disagreeing with you guys. Good. I would like that if you did. Let's do it.

Too much kumbaya today. Let's do it with Deshaun Watson here. And he, I mean, 72nd. I've never taken him 72nd. But, yeah, what's your thought, Jamie, on Deshaun Watson? And he is QB 9, and he's

going 22 picks after Trevor Lawrence at QB 8, but he's also going 18 picks ahead of Tua Tungabailoa at QB 10. So Deshaun Watson's kind of in a tier of his own at QB 9. I think, first off, I'd rather have Tua. I think there's more upside there.

So there's obviously, I think, a lower floor based on injury, but I think there's a higher ceiling with Tua, so I would rather take my chances with him. The thing with Watson that you have to be a little concerned about, obviously, is what we saw last year in the layoff. Is he ever going to get back to that level? And so you've got to love what the Browns did this offseason to put guys around him.

You know, they draft Cedric Tillman. They trade for Elijah Moore. You know, still Amari Cooper, still David Njoku, still Donovan Peoples-Jones. And so while I think it's still going to be a run-first team, how much of the push and pull versus what the maybe ownership group versus coach want to see? But obviously Deshaun Watson makes him a better team

if he's able to get back to that level. So I think he's a great value. I don't mind drafting him where we take him. But I think at this price, 72nd overall is just too soon. But I think what we see with all of these drafts that we're looking at on this ADP, all the quarterbacks are pushed up. So I would rather when we talk about quarterbacks, for me, look at what number they're being drafted

as opposed to the number overall. And so I think if he's the number nine quarterback, still a little bit too soon. But that's, I think, the range that he's close to as opposed to 72nd overall. And, yeah, I think I've got him at 11. I just, I don't know how,'s, how safe do people think that he is? Like, are you just completely ignoring last year? And you think everything's going to be fine

this year? Because I don't think he has the same. I think Jamie's right. I don't think he has the same upside as two. I don't think he has the same upside as Anthony Richardson. I would also take Dak over Watson, but I think they're like right in the same range, flip a coin. So I'd like him as a low-end starter. It's just weird that on a team that – and I know we think they're going to pass more. I'm projecting they're going to pass more than they have. But on a team that has been so run heavy since Kevin Stefanski got there, with a quarterback who looked so bad in the last six games of last year that he's already up to QB nine. Yeah. What's the justification for that? Just, he was so awesome five years ago.

I got you. I got your justification. I got your justification right here. QB nine is exactly where I would take the Sean Watson, hopefully not, you know, 20 picks before Tua and Dak and cousins and those guys go. But yeah, if I can get them 20 picks after Trevor Lawrence and Dak and Cousins and those guys go. But yeah, if I can get him 20 picks after Trevor Lawrence, I think that's really good. I'll just say it's a bit of an internal conflict for me. If I weren't so repulsed by the idea

of having Deshaun Watson on a lot of fantasy teams, he would probably be my most drafted player. But the reason is this. He's been on run-heavy offenses before. And he's been awesome on a per game basis in six point per passing touchdown leagues. The Sean Watson, uh, he was number four, number four. No, I'm sorry.

That was four point. He was number seven, number six, and number six per game in his last three seasons with Houston, uh, per game in a four point per passing touchdown leagues. He was, he was number four, number four, and number six. And he never had a big touchdown year really he never had one of those you know just lucky years where he threw 40 touchdowns or anything like that or combined for 40 touchdowns so my case for him is especially compared to tua he's gonna rush for 350 more yards than tua tunga bailoa and tua didn't have any rushing touchdowns last year. So you've got to, there's so much more rushing production from Watson. Heath, I am just forgetting about last year. I am, maybe I shouldn't, but I just don't care. Tough circumstances for a quarterback to miss

that much time. I like the weapons enough and love the offensive line. I just, I think he's, he has proven himself. If you took away last year and you just said, where should he be drafted? He should be drafted ahead of Dak and Cousins and Tua, in my opinion. I think he's fine here. And I think they are going to be a pass first. I don't know.

I think they're going to be a pretty balanced team. I think he's going to take advantage of that and have a huge season. So that's my two cents. Yeah. I don't even know for sure about the weapons part of that. I like them enough. I mean, they're pretty fine.

What's wrong with them, though? It's probably the worst weapons of the top ten quarterbacks, isn't it? Besides maybe Justin Fields, who was going to run for a thousand yards? It's better than Mahomes. It's better than Mahomes. So Kelsey's better than Amari Cooper. I mean, sure, but like...

And then so Elijah Moore's definitely better than whoever's the Chiefs' number one wide receiver. Like Elijah Moore was absolutely nothing last year. Who's the... I mean, the Chiefs have no vertical passing game. And that's fine. They won the Super Bowl with no vertical passing game. But the Browns, I would say, have better weapons. I just don't think...

I don't know if I agree with that. I would say Marcos Valdez-Cantling is probably a better vertical threat than what the Browns have. I wouldn't. I mean, he's not. Unless you're calling Amari Cooper a vertical threat at this point.

More so than anyone on the Chiefs. I think you can just draw a line through DPJ and MVS, and we'll just cancel those two guys out. I'd much rather have DPJ. No, I'd much rather have DPJ. Like, if DPJ went to the Chiefs, you'd draft them. I don't know. They got, like, 18 wide receivers right now.

I don't even know who's going to make the team. All right, let's move on. I'm not defending the Chiefs wide receivers. They're amongst the worst in the league, but I'm not sure Deshaun Watson's weapons are a plus. I mean, I think that's a fair point. So let's go to a couple of wide receivers that you guys have on your do not draft list.

Chris Godwin at 58th and Michael Pittman at 66th. And obvious drawbacks for these guys. Let's see where they rank among wide receivers. Godwin is 27 and Pittman is 32. Jamie, is that not enough of a discount for these guys? Chris Godwin going ahead of Mike Williams, Brandon Ayuk, Deontay Johnson, Tyler Lockett, and then Pittman is there just after that. Is that not enough of a discount for Godwin and Pittman?

I'm perfectly fine with Godwin as the 27th receiver. I think he's going to exceed that. I just hope, again, that they keep him more inside than move him outside, which is kind of what you're hearing, because I still think he'll be able to be productive. Two years removed from his ACL, I'm expecting Chris Godwin to be one of these guys we look back on and say we should have had him ranked higher and drafted sooner.

For Pittman, I'm still concerned. Just with the offense that they're going to run, is he going to command targets like he did when Matt Ryan was quarterback? Even then, he didn't have the season that I was hoping for. And so with Anthony Richardson and what this offense is most likely going to look like, especially if there is no Jonathan Taylor, could be an ugly scenario for him in terms of receptions, and I don't think he's going to score a lot of touchdowns.

So I would actually put Pittman a little bit lower than this. But Godwin, for me, I think is appropriately priced. Heath? I have these two teams, both bottom four in projected passing yards, both bottom three in projected passing touchdowns. I just don't think that – I think they're going to be bad passing offenses, and we've talked about it a lot with Godwin. Like he's coming off of a couple years where his team threw the ball 750 times a season,

and I think that might be 200 times fewer this year and much less accurate passes um I I've seen a little bit of positive spin about Kyle Tresk the last couple of days um maybe there's some hope that he develops and is better than Baker was last year but I I would I think you take the under on either of them starting more than 12 games. Okay. One of them is going to be so bad they get benched, and then the other one is going to be so bad they get benched. Yeah.

I mean, I just wonder. I don't like wide receivers on bad passing offenses. It's proven now. They have limited upside. But I bet if we look at wide receiver 15 last year, I'll just go per game. Probably some pretty bad offenses in there. So who are the bottom five pass offenses

in both yards and touchdowns, though? And did they have any wide receivers in the top 20? I don't know the answer to that. You're talking Titans, Falcons, Bears, and two others. Pittman himself was 21st last year, and he only caught four touchdowns. Jerry Judy, they were on the lowest scoring team in football. He was 22. I don't know.

Just looking at the guys that are being drafted ahead of Godwin in terms of bad passing offenses, and I don't disagree with a lot of these players because I would draft them ahead of Godwin as well, but Drake London is probably going to be on a bad passing offense. He's going 21st. Godwin's 27th. DeAndre Hopkins is 22th. Again, I would take him over Godwin, but potentially a bad passing offense. DJ Moore is 23th.

Could be a bad passing offense. I mean, there's plenty of guys that, you know, are buying into it. And again, I have these guys ranked out of Godwin. Obviously, Heath does as well. Terry McLaurin, you know, we don't know exactly how Sam Howell is going to perform. You know, so there's questions with all these guys. But I think, you know, Adam, and I know we've had this conversation before. It's just what your expectations are.

I don't want to put the expectation on drafting Chris Godwin with the hope he's going to be a top 10 receiver. I would love that. And he's obviously shown the ability to do that. But you have to take into account what he said, which is the reality that the quarterback has changed, the system has changed, and he's just not in that same scenario to put up those type of numbers. But if I'm drafting Chris Godwin at 27th, can he maybe creep to 20? Maybe get to 15? Right. I think those are the glass half full type of situations

that I'm hoping for for Chris Godwin. But I really prefer to draft him as my third receiver as opposed to my second guy. And then if I have to swap him out, I have the ability to swap him out. So I'm not expecting him to be the same player, which is why I have a rank that way. And I think obviously why he's being drafted that way.

I did look at him. The bottom five pass offenses in terms of yards last year, Ravens, Panthers, Titans, Falcons, Bears. And it's funny, the three teams that you originally mentioned were just the Bears, Falcons, and Titans, and then Jamie started reading the wide

receivers who were going ahead of Godwin, and it was Drake London, DJ Moore, and Hopkins. And I have Drake London, DJ Moore, and Hopkins. And I have those teams projected for more passing yards than the Colts and the Buccaneers this year. Right. Yeah, and I don't think that's wrong. But again, they're not dramatically better passing offenses, even as they're currently

constructed. They might be. But you're asking Justin Fields to do something he's never done before, and I think he might. You're asking Desmond Ritter to do something he's never done before, and I think he might. You're asking Desmond Ritter to do something he's never done before, at least a four-game sample size, but we all know what that situation is. You're asking Ryan Tannehill to turn back the clock a little bit and DeAndre Hopkins to still remain relevant to that level to make Ryan Tannehill turn back the clock at 31 years old.

So there's just flaws across the board with these guys. But again, I don't disagree. I think these guys are all better. Christian Watson also being drafted as Chris Godwin. We've never seen Jordan Love play a full season, and that could be awful. Okay, last guy is Kadarius Toney on the Do Not

Draft list, and that was at ADP of 78th overall, but just over the last three days, he is 90th overall, and that's wide receiver 42, and it's just ahead of Sky Moore. But looking at your consensus rankings, you guys have him. The combination of Dave Heath, Jamie is wide receiver 56 on Kadarius Tony.

So I guess even wide receiver 42 would be too early, Heath, for Kadarius. That is too early. I do have Sky Moore ahead of Kadarius Tony. I would not take Kadarius Tony until round 10. Jamie? Yeah, I agree. I think there's just too much risk right now with coming off meniscus surgery, hoping to be ready

for week one. Guy that's battled injuries already through the first two years of his career. It's frustrating, man, because you see the talent. You see what the potential is. You know the offense and the quarterback and the coach, and they're going to be very creative to get him the ball i think this could be one of those situations where for people who draft cadareous tony and he may not play the first let's say month if he's slow or may not play much it's not a bad trade target you

know if he does become something in the back half of the season and then maybe you have somebody that could be a difference maker in the fantasy playoffs, but I wouldn't give up much to get him. So just keep an eye on the fantasy manager who drafts Tony. But at this point, it's hard to say better than Sky Moore. You know, I said that to you, Adam, pre-injury, you know,

so I was already trending in that direction. And then now you see, you know, Richie James might be better than Kadarius Tony. Reggie Rice might be better than Kadarius Tony. Man, these guys are so much better than the Browns guys. Well, no, I don't think they are. But I'm just Browns guys.

Elijah Moore, remember how good he is? No, I'm just saying. I think, though, just in terms of what's happening for Cadareous Tony, it's it's thanks to see it, you know, from from a talent standpoint, because he could be really good. How many of you agree with this statement from jimmy j in our chat tony hype lasting three years is ridiculous and it's adam azar's doing i don't know am i responsible for the tony i think i'm a little responsible for the tony hype and we're just beginning year three it hasn't lasted three years yet. He's really good, I think.

I don't know. I have no idea. So I do take some responsibility for that. You know what? He is better than Elijah Moore. I will say, you can't really count him as a weapon because he's always hurt,

but if he were healthy, he'd be the second best wide receiver on either the Chiefs or Browns behind Cooper. How do you guys feel as being on both ends of the trade? Adam, do you feel justified that your team traded him away? And Heath, do you feel disappointed that your team acquired him? No, they won the Super Bowl. They did, and that punt return, I mean the touchdown, whatever,

but that punt return was a huge, huge play. I don't remember if it was a second or third round pick or whatever it was. Take a first round pick. If you get a Super Bowl, it's good. It was a third round pick that ended up becoming Darren Waller. The Giants traded that pick for Waller. So based on preseason reports, I love the trade. Waller getting all the buzz.

I think it's fine. Interesting to see who plays more games this year. All right. I'll take that bet. Also, remember, I have a bet with Jamie that he's not allowed to weasel out of when the Patriots sign

like Leonard Fournette or something. I'm going Travis Etienne over Ramondre Stevenson. Was that a bet that we made? It was, right? I will take it, sure.

Okay. If we didn't make it then, we're making it now. The only one I remember which I think I'll probably end up losing is Oconquo versus Kincaid. Yeah, right, before Hopkins.

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