Fantasy Football Today - Downgrade Kyren? Upgrade Olave? Alfredo Brown's Rankings Movers! Plus a Rookie-Only Mock Draft (05/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Alfredo Brown of Footballguys is today's guest. Alfredo has terrific insights on the 2024 rookie class and we'll get into his rankings after a quick round of news and notes (3:10). We'll start with Anthony Richardson (4:55) as a Top 5 quarterback in 4 point per passing touchdown leagues and some love for Bryce Young as well. Then we move on to running back risers (14:00) as Saquon Barkley has moved ahead of Kyren Williams. Alfredo also has more RB risers (21:50) including Zamir White and Javonte Williams. Which RB do we prefer? And finally risers at wide receiver (28:35) and tight end (31:35) with Chris Olave and Jake Ferguson among the players we discuss ... Alfredo's rankings fallers include James Cook and Josh Jacobs at RB (37:05) and of course the Dolphins RBs (43:50). And he's moving Deebo Samuel down as well (54:30) ... We reveal the results of our Superflex rookie-only mock draft (56:30). Should J.J. McCarthy be taken ahead of Drake Maye? How many RBs should we take in the first two rounds? Is Jonathon Brooks a Top 8 pick? ... Email us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Can you believe this? I had no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Anthony Richardson as a top five quarterback. Kyron Williams moving down in the running back rankings. This is not necessarily what Dave and Jamie have, but it is what our guest, Alfredo Brown of Football Guys, is going to be talking about today. Another awesome guest joining us. He's been on a live stream. He's been on the Dynasty show, but this is his first time on the FFT podcast.

Welcome, Alfredo Brown at the Pretend GM. Thank you for coming on. Yeah, thank you. I'm a little nervous. The live stuff, like, what if I have to get up and go to the bathroom? Do I just leave? Do it out of those and just pee in your pants. It'll warm you up a little bit.

I don't know where you are, but it'll warm you up. Oh, I'm right here in South Florida. I'm plenty warm. That's right. I had a feeling. Dolphins, Ricky Williams jersey behind you. So anyway, it's great to have you on. We're going to talk about a lot of your rankings, risers and fallers post-NFL draft.

We also did two rookie-only mock drafts yesterday. We'll talk about the Superflex one if we have time and react to some of the rookies. And I drafted Malik Neighbors. Woo-hoo! So that was cool. That's only because somebody in front of you did something wrong. Took a doomsday insteadik Neighbors. Woo-hoo. So that was cool. That's only because I'm not going to say somebody in front of you did something wrong.

Took a Doonze instead of Neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. Why is that wrong? I remember somebody saying that they might take a Doonze over Neighbors

in their Dynasty drafts anyway. This is wrong. Oh, okay. I said that. Oh, you would have done that? You would have taken Alfredo, you would have taken a Doonze over Neighbors?

Yeah. I liked a Doonze's prospect profile better anyways and I love that he's going you would have done that? You would have taken, Alfred, you would have taken Odunze over neighbors? Yeah. I liked Odunze's prospect profile better anyways, and I love that he's going to be tied to Caleb for years. We could be looking at another teardown of the Giants after this season

if things don't go well with Daniel Jones. It's within the realm of possibility, man. Could be a good thing for him, though. Could be. It's about as likely as Adam's softball career lasting one season. Yeah, so I, you know.

And they asked me back. Making fun of me all you want. I'm batting 1,000 right now in softball. You only had one at bat? Yeah, it was a crazy game. It was a game of runs. Like, we scored. We got, we went, okay, we led led one nothing after the second inning and then they

scored the next 20 runs and then they called it after the fifth inning before i got to bat for the second time so yeah yeah one at bat wow i'll tell you this is a soft foley where adam knew nobody he just got assigned to a team so So they're not going to invite you back. They don't know what they were getting with Adam, but if you take one look at Adam, you know exactly what you're getting with Adam. One for one. That's what you get.

I'll back out. That's what you got. I wonder if you'll ever get that second half back. No, I'm on the team. I have a shirt and everything. All right. News and notes. 20 to 1?

Yeah, I think it was 20 to 1. It was bad. It's rough. Yeah. News and notes. The Jaguars released Zay Jones. They saved more than $4 million on their salary cap. They're also going to bring in Jarvis Landry to participate in their rookie minicamp.

But Dave, the release of Zay Jones, what does it mean for Brian Thomas and the rest of the crew? It really doesn't mean a lot. I mean, this is a player who did average over seven targets per game last year for Jacksonville. So in theory, you'd say, okay, they can just go and divvy that up amongst Kirk Thomas and Gabe Davis. But I said, when they signed Gabe Davis, he's there to replace a Jones. And sure enough, that's what's going to happen. I don't think it's that big of a deal for anything. Ray, uh, Raider Ravens Raiders. Nope. How about chargers running back?k dobbins he says he's healthy seems pretty motivated let's see how that plays out alfredo who's your favorite

chargers running back right now yuck um i guess it would be gus edwards by de facto because i don't know that jk dobbins is going to be fully healthy but i don't know that i'm going out of my way to draft any of them if it's like a rookie draft or something, sure, come on, Evidel, just for funsies. Okay. And a few more news items here. Drew Locke is going to have a chance to compete for the Giants' starting quarterback job, according to Mike Garofalo. It's Daniel Jones' job for now, but Drew Locke could push him. The Falcons exercise Kyle Pitts' fifth-year option, and Philadelphia GM Howie Roseman says he does not intend, or the team

does not intend to move rookie receiver Johnny Wilson to tight end. Please follow us on Spotify. It's a great way to listen to podcasts. I listen to a lot of podcasts on Spotify, so we're trying to grow our audience there. Go ahead and give us a follow. Also, on YouTube, youtube.com slash

fantasyfootballtoday. Hit subscribe there. And let's get to some rankings, risers, and give us a follow. Also on YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasy football today. Hit subscribe there. And let's get to some rankings, risers, and followers from Alfredo. Anthony Richardson up four spots for you. He's now QB5. Was Adonai Mitchell the reason for this? No, it's more so about just kind of looking back

at what Anthony Richardson was doing last year when he was healthy. He was quarterback three in points per game when he was starting. And we just know how much rushing matters for quarterbacks. And then I started to do my rankings, risers, and followers yesterday, and I was looking through it, and I was just like, quarterback gets really, really deep. There's potentially 18, maybe even 20 guys that you can draft.

So if that happens, why not go for the guy that can win you your league? Shoot for the moon. Go get the guy who's going to could be a top three, top two running back like Jalen Hurts was a few years ago. I get it. Some people are going to be

really excited about CJ Stroud with Stefan Diggs and all these receivers. But CJ Stroud wasn't as great fantasy as a lot of us remember. So we get into this point where, OK, the Colts added A.D. Mitchell. They got some offensive line depth in the middle rounds. i want to go for the guy with the massive upside and

anthony richardson so yeah i've got him as a top five quarterback i'm afraid let me ask you you're going by six points for passing touchdowns or four um no that would be so yeah if we're if we're doing that i'm talking about four point per passing right so i i think that that always matters when we talk we usually go by six. Richardson's not as high, at least for me. Four points, he would be much higher. If we're talking six, I'm probably putting him behind

Burrow, Stroud, maybe even behind Kyler. That's where it starts to get messy. Makes sense. Jamie, if we're talking four point per passing touchdown leagues, would you have Anthony Richardson fifth behind Allen, Hertz, Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson? He would be right there. I'd have him over Stroud. I'd have him over Burrow.

I'd have him over Dak. So, yes, he would be probably five or six. Dave? It's hard to say that you're going to take one of those other quarterbacks over Richardson when you know what he's capable of doing on the ground. He might score a rushing touchdown every single week. I think in four point, you'd have to put them that high. So I want to see real quick where Joe Burrow, that was the one that really stood out to

me. It's the toughest decision, obviously, where Burrow finished. He was QB four in 2022 overall. And per game, he was also QB4 in 2022 overall, and per game he was also QB4, 21.5 points per game, but better than that when he had a healthy Higgins and Chase that season. All right, Kyler Murray up two spots.

I'm going to skip him because that was a riser for Dave and Jamie as well. Bryce Young we should talk about. Now you move him up to 24, but still a guy that's worth discussing here. Some of the running backs you moved up. Saquon Barkley up three spots. Joe Mixon up five spots.

Amir White and Javante Williams and Devin Singletary all moving up pretty significantly as well. So we'll get to that. But what do you want to say about Bryce Young? I mean, you talked about 18 to 20 quarterbacks who might be starting or comfortable starting. I guess he's not one of them. What do you think his upside is as they bring in Xavier Leguette? So yeah, you're right. He's not one of the guys I'm comfortable starting,

but I would not be surprised if by week three or four, he's one of those guys that we're picking up off the waiver wire and a lot of people are streaming him week after week. For me, the Dave Canales factor is so huge. Seeing what he's been able to do with Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, and I know we're kind of just beating a dead horse here, repeating the same stuff that everyone's been talking about. But the upgrade at both guard spots for the Panthers was big.

They added Xavier Leggett, like you mentioned. So they get another wide receiver. They get Jatavian Sanders, another tight end. They are obviously doing everything they can to build around their quarterback and make him comfortable, which is the exact opposite of what happened in year one. He was uncomfortable and he was just trying to play hero ball all the time. You're forgetting about one of the biggest additions that they made, and that's Jonathan Brooks.

Think back to Bryce Young in Alabama, where Jameer Gibbs was a primo target for him, and now they're giving him Brooks, who's a really good pass catcher. He's eventually going to get healthy. He'll make a difference for Bryce Young. I see them. You can tell me if you see it differently, Alfredo. I see the Panthers surrounding Bryce Young with short area targets. And I think they're going to focus on him getting the ball out quick,

getting him on the move. And we know that Canales has earned the chops as being a good schemer in the passing game, getting his receivers open. So I think this is actually a guy that you don't necessarily prioritize in super flex leagues, but you keep the name in mind. If you find yourself waiting for your second quarterback as a guy that you could settle for and feel pretty good about. Yeah, I'm a hundred percent with you. They're doing everything they can to make him comfortable, get him to get the ball out quickly and just put playmakers in space. And when you hear canalis talking about xavier leggett and how he's so versatile they can use them out of the backfield they can use them

underneath on crossers they want to get the ball out of bryce young's hands quick so yeah i'm in full agreement with you dave and one of the best southern accents you'll ever hear oh oh my gosh so good and just a reminder i think i brought this up on a show a couple of weeks ago bryce young had a better passer rating as a rookie than Trevor Lawrence did. Lawrence then went for 4,100 yards, 25 touchdowns in his second season. Which rookie season was for Lawrence? The Urban year or the real one? The Urban year.

He had a better passer rating than a horrible, horrible Urban Meyer season for Trevor Lawrence, but new coach, new weapons, those types of things. It certainly helped Trevor Lawrence. You know, it's funny. Xavier Leggett, the way we were, when we were drafting doing the rookie draft yesterday, I kind of felt like Leggett, I actually ended up drafting him at almost the same spot.

We were doing two at a time. We're doing a rookie one QB and a rookie super flex mock draft. I drafted him in the middle of the second round in both. And I just felt like he kind of the second round in both. And I just felt like he kind of was treated like a day two pick. You know, he went after Malachi Corley, Marshawn Lloyd, A.D. Mitchell, Jalen Wright. And that was in the one QB league.

In the super flex league, he went after Trey Benson, Michael Pennix, guys like Ladd McConkie and Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman. I get that, but I don't know. I didn't feel like there was a lot of respect, Jamie, for Xavier. Well, I'll tell you, I just drafted him in a real rookie draft, Superflex draft with other analysts, and it was pick 205, so in the same range.

It was, you know, I was debating. I was hoping I was one spot away from Pearsall, who I like a little bit better just long term. But it was those same those same receivers that you mentioned, you know, the running backs again. And I think with any rookie draft, obviously it comes down to need, you know, because you're filling in spots necessarily, not necessarily always taking best prospect. And in the case of what the mock drafts were doing, we're taking most likely just best prospect. But yes, it does feel like he's getting overlooked a little bit. And, and, you know, like I know I was looking at Heath's rankings, for example, and, and, you know, I don't want to pick on Heath cause he's not here,

but like he has Malachi Corley ahead of Xavier Leggett. Like I don't necessarily see a huge difference there from the type of player that they can be, because I think they're going to do some similar things. Uh, but you're also talking about a situation where, and, you know, just going back to the Panthers, Leggett could end up being the best receiver for the Panthers. You know, I mean, Deontay Johnson should be that guy and Adam Thielen probably going to hang on this year to be second in targets.

Be surprising if it's a huge dramatic shift away from him that much, but you know, Johnson's not tied there long-term. And if we get picks up from where he left off, you know, it's hard for a guy in his, in his year five season in college to all of a sudden flash and say, okay,

this is the type of player. So there's some concerns clearly. Um, but he could easily be the, the go-to option in this offense for Dave Canales this year and, and for the next couple of years. So he does feel like he's getting overlooked a little bit. And you always have to look at it.

You know, we talk about draft capital a lot. The Panthers not only targeted this guy, they traded back into the first round to get this guy. So there's clearly a want to use him and use him in a big way. All right, we got to take a break here. We'll come back, talk about Saquon Barkley moving up, going ahead of Kyron Williams, who's a big faller in the rankings.

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Must be legal drinking age. Welcome back. Alfredo Brown of Football Guys joining us here getting a lot of confidence if you didn't know by the way adam actually does the voiceover for the commercials too he just changes his voice he does that quickly so it's pretty cool i mean that's impressive that's an incredible skill made for this identical uh you move saquon barkley up he's rb6. You move Kyron Williams down. He's now RB10. So that's a four spot, a six spot drop for Kyron Williams.

Tell me about those two guys, why you move Barkley ahead of Kyron. Yeah, I mean, for Barkley, I was already kind of moving him up a little bit and wanted to see what happened with the NFL draft. And we already know the Eagles have a great O-line. They're going to be in scoring position quite often. A little bit of this is Barkley, and a little bit of this is guys moving down like Kyron and Jacobs and A-Chan,

and those players dropping. To me, there's not a whole lot of difference between Saquon Barkley and Jonathan Taylor at this point, who are both my RB5 and 6. For me, it's just Saquon's got the good offense. He's got the talent. We have not seen a whole lot of that with the Giants over the years.

I know he's probably not going to catch as many passes, but I don't think the Eagles go out and sign a guy like Saquon and be like, okay, let's keep running that tush push. Let's not really use you. Let's bring in Kenneth Gainwell. This is going to be Saquon's backfield. At least that's what I believe. And then for Kyron, it's so much of just Blake Corum being drafted

and taking away those touchdown opportunities. Kyron had 12 touchdowns last year. That's kind of what Blake Corum does. He's good around the goal line. And I know Sean McVay said these guys have similar skill sets. I don't necessarily believe that to be totally true. They look similar if you were to look at them side by side, but Corum is more of like the banger in the middle. He's going to get the goal line, tough work, and Kyron's going to be a little bit more of the passing down guy. I do think this kind of becomes something where they're working in tandem.

Plus, we see the Rams have a new leading rusher once every year for the last five seasons, so I wouldn't be surprised if midway through the season, Blake Corham is now the new running back that everyone's picking up off waivers. That's a pretty interesting take. I feel like Sean McVay said that Kyron Williams

was going to be pretty involved as a rookie. I remember those early reports. I think, yeah. Yeah, no, he said that. He had 35 carries. He's always said that he wants to get two guys involved, and then it kind of doesn't happen, or one guy just completely replaces the other guy.

Right. We did see it that one year we had Akers, Henderson, just completely replaces the other guy right we did see it that one year we had acres henderson and who was the other guy i can't remember they were using three of them maybe sony michelle sony michelle uh i don't know it was it was acres rookie season i think it was sony yeah and uh yeah so so it's right but. But I do think he probably wants to settle on one guy if he has that one guy. Henderson had an excellent one. He had it with Gurley.

He certainly had it with Gurley. I think he kind of even had it with Henderson for about half a season before Henderson got hurt. And then Royce Freeman came in. It was, what, a couple years ago? But yeah. You're mixing your running backs now. Was I?

Freeman was the last year joint. OK, Freeman, was he? Yeah, I don't think Freeman was with the Rams before 23. Is it the Broncos and Texans? Yeah. Yeah. Who the hell was I thinking of in 2022? I think Michelle was the guy.

Michelle. Michelle. Could have been Sony. Yeah. All right. Anyway. Anyway, you think Alfredo thinks that that the rookie running back play quorum is going to be a factor. Dave, Jamie, do you agree?

Yeah. I mean, he's going to be a factor to what extent we'll find out. You know, you go back to before Kyron got hurt in the middle of the season and they were talking about giving Ronnie River some more work. And look, Kyron came into the league more as a pass catching prospect and, you prospect and proved to be a featured guy last year. And it was fun to watch. Clearly, he was amazing for fantasy. I'm sure they don't want to overwork them. They have playoff aspirations as they showed us last year. So to not have a guy wear down that may not be able to handle that type of workload, it just makes some sense. And Blake Corham was a cheap enough prospect where they took him that he can add to this backfield and add to this, this roster.

Is he going to detract enough from Kyron Williams that you should significantly drop him? I mean, look, they're back to back for me. I don't have a problem. Somebody wants to take Barkley over Kyron. That's six and seven in my rankings. So, you know, Barkley's situation improved dramatically. You know, the, uh, the, the, the competition behind him,

Kenneth Gamewell and now Will Shipley, those don't scream like guys are going to take him off the field significantly. Like, like Alfredo said, um, the offense is going to have a little bit of a shift. You know, the, the, the center's not there is the, is the tush push going to be the same? Are they going to do it as much? They can have as much confidence in doing it. I don't know. Uh, you know, we'll, we'll find out what, you know, the, the, the, the system, the coaching staff, how everything changes because it's a significant upgrade. I will say this, uh, the, the, the system, the coaching staff, how everything changes because it's a significant upgrade. I will say this the Rams have an away game against the jets. So that's a touchdown coming for Boston Scott,

who they just signed yesterday as well. He doesn't get to play the giants, but he still gets to play in that stadium. So Boston Scott was more against the jets. It's a giants thing. Not a stadium thing. Now, I, by the way, Dave,ave what i was what i had mixed up it was 2021 the first 10 games of the season daryl henderson was number 14 running back per game he he averaged

14.2 carries per game sony michelle averaged six carries per game and then henderson got hurt could you see a split like that 14 for for Kyron, 6 for Corum? Definitely. But I could also see what Alfredo said, or Alfredo or Jamie, or maybe both of them said it, where Corum does take over at some point. And so the thoughts that I'm... Where I'm at right now is I feel like Barkley's safer.

What are the odds that he's actually going to lose carries to another running back? It seems pretty low. Will he lose goal line carries to Jalen Hurts? Definitely. But Alfredo said it. Kyron had 12 rushing touchdowns. I think he had 15 total last year. Hard to believe that he can do that again.

Now they're adding Corum. And the things that they talked about at the post-draft press conference with Corum, they seem to like him as a pass blocker. They seem to like him as a potential four-minute back, a closeout running back, someone that can grind at the end of the game. In short yardage, I'm just now starting to look into this. Kyron only converted two of five carries

inside the five for touchdowns last year. So it's definitely not as safe for Kyron as it is for Saquon Barkley. You can't shrug off Blake Corum. If you draft Kyron Williams, I think the smartest thing you could do is spend the draft capital necessary to get Blake Corum in your, in your same draft. But there's going to be at least half your league also looking at Blake Corum with a pick between round eight and the end and saying, I got to get this guy because he could end up being the best running back on the Rams. That's the type of investment that I

think you have to make. If you end up making Kyron, uh, a top 12 to 15 pick on your squad. Well, if you're inclined to handcuff running backs, I mean, if you are, but if you're, but then if you're drafting Kyron Williams, you're drafting them because he's a Rams running back, you figure he can be the lead back safeguarding that spot on that team seems to be a good idea. Sure. But you could also, if you're, if you're torn, take Barkley and then take quorum and then you have maybe both. Yes, absolutely.

You could do that too. Yep. I have brought this up as well, but just comparing opportunities in the giants offense versus opportunities for running backs in the Eagles offense. If you're someone who's thinking, well, yeah, it's going to be a lot of Jalen Hurts is going to steal all the touchdowns. Well, even if Jalen Hurts does do that, the Eagles, I won't go, I won't give you the specifics and the numbers. The Eagles still produce, have been producing more running back carries inside the five yard line than the Giants have been, or at least for like comparing the Eagles running backs to Barkley over the last three seasons.

The Eagles running backs are getting a lot more opportunities than Saquon Barkley had been getting for the Giants. So it's still even with Jalen Hurts looks like a much better, better situation to score touchdowns. All right, Joe Mixon up to RB 13. That's a five spot jump for you, Alfredo. Yeah, for me, it's it's so much of this. Is it not just what happened for these running backs in the draft, but what happened to other guys throughout the draft and what made them fall?

For me, I see a Texans. They go out and they draft starting right tackle. We know that they already had a really good passing game to open up the field, but it gets even better. Adding Stefan digs, get one more year of development for CJ Shroud. This offense is kind of always going to be in scoring position. And so it's, it's really just kind of a lateral move for Joe Mixon to go from Cincinnati to Houston in a sort of scoring offense type of way. But then you see the Texans, they didn't draft another running back. They weren't trying to supplant or have another guy there. They didn't draft anyone until the sixth round. I look at it this way.

Last year, Devin Singletary, for those final eight weeks, when he took over, he was a running back 16 in points per game. Joe Mixon, to me, is a running back. This offense should be even better and potentially give even more scoring opportunities. That puts Joe Mixon firmly in that RB2 category for me. And looking at my rankings, he's right there just underneath guys like Josh Jacobs, Rashad White, Devon Achan. He's in that same realm as guys like James Cook

and a bunch of them. I think they have some pretty uneasy situations too, but he is the clear-cut running back in a good offense. I'll take that. Follow-up here. Do you see a big difference between the threat of Blake Corum to Kyron Williams and the threat of Bucky Irving to Rashad White, who you just mentioned? I don't think Bucky Irving is as scary for Rashad White.

I do think the one thing that bothers me just a little bit is that Bucky Irving is such a pass catching back. And that's what he was really good at. That might have a lot more to do with Bo Nix than it does actually Bucky Irving. But we know that skill set is in his wheelhouse. So you maybe get a few passes taken away from Rashad White. But it's not nearly as scary as Blake Corum for Kyron Williams. All right. Next two running backs here.

Zamir White at RB22 and Javante Williams at RB23. Both big risers for you. So you have White one spot ahead of Javante Dave, then Jamie, who do you guys like better? Samir white or Javante Williams? Samir. Samir. I can't really, to be honest, figure out the Javante Williams situation.

I mean, they, they added another running back to this backfield. And if you go back to last year and Sean Payton, it almost felt like, Oh yeah, we have Javante Williams. Like he inherited him as opposed to, you know, coveted him. And is he going to be all the way back from his ACL tear? He certainly played much better, I think, certainly than I expected last year in terms of staying healthy, being involved in a passing game.

This could be one of the worst offenses in the NFL. And now you have maybe a guy that's going to be goal line back there. So like Javante didn't really move for me. I can't really justify moving him up very much. And I don't want to drop him because I think he's still the best running back in Denver, but as long as they still have all four guys on the roster, it feels like they all have the potential to have some sort of a role.

And that's what scares me a lot about him. So it's a mirror for me. Easy. Javante is not somebody that I'm very excited. He's not even a real good settle for RB too, but that's kind of what you're going to classify him as. And so if you're drafting zero RB here, RB,

you get to, I'm not sure exactly where I have them ranked, but I think he's in that round five, six range. You get to that point in your draft. Actually, I haven't just outside of around six. So early round seven, this is the type of running back that you take to just get you

off to a decent start of the season. Javante Williams. They, Sean Payton did talk about estimate as a first and second down back, which I wonder though, if he's just going to begin the year as the backup to Javante and if Javante gets hurt or if he really underwhelms, then they let Estimé get a shot at it. He's also one of the running backs that I felt like got drafted so that he could potentially play on special teams and be a kick returner under the new NFL rules. I think he'd be good in that role, Estimé would, whereas Williams is going to be the

incumbent for the running back job. So I don't love him either, but he is going to have a role at least at the beginning of the year. And if he stays healthy and hangs on, he'll be relatively productive over the course of the season. It just, I mean, I'll just go back to it. Three guys came in with Sean Payton in the last two years.

Yeah. So whatever you think of them. And again, I think Javante is the best of the group, but Samaj P. Ryan's the guy they signed. Salil McLaughlin's the guy they took off the scrap heap undrafted free agent and now they they go and they draft estimate and we know he's been able to you know makes pretty good product get pretty good production out of guys that we don't always expect so i just wonder like where where giovante fits in if he does not have that second

year bounce back off the acl which he could i I mean, again, he's the most talented of the group. There's no doubt about it. But it just feels a little crowded. I've got him behind Najee. I've got him behind Zach Moss. I've got him behind Jonathan Brooks. So a guy who's recovering from an ACL tear. I've got him behind Connor.

And I've got him behind Samir White, who I have ahead of everybody that I just named. I'm really encouraged by Samir White's situation in Vegas now. All right, Alfredo, make the case for Javante Williams as RB23. So for me, I know we talked a little bit about Audrick Estime here, a guy getting drafted in the fifth round and then immediately being said he's got a good two down skill set. Doesn't worry me as much. I think, Dave, you hit the nail on the head. He's more of the backup if Javante is not able to go or gets hurt. And he's kind of the thunder to Jaleel McLaughlin's lightning. Samajai Pirine, there's a lot of projection going on here to this ranking, right? But Samajai Pirine, the Broncos save three million cap by cutting him. So drafting

Estime, having McLaughlin on the team, team, picking up Blake Watson. There's also a pretty good shot that Samajit Piran's not on the roster. I get it. There's a little uncertainty here with Sean Payton, but what really kind of pushed it up a little bit more for me was Bo Nix. And he's a guy that just checks down a ton. He had the third lowest depth of target in college football last year. 30% of his passes were behind the line of scrimmage. This is a guy who does not really sit there and make all the reads. He wants to get the ball out quick. And we saw even for a little

bit of time with Russ, Javante Williams can catch the ball. So, um, I, yeah, I just, I look at Javante Williams and I do have him behind Samir white, like you said, but I look at Javante and Najee and I say, okay, that situation is probably gonna be super frustrating with the Steelers. Uh, Tony Pollard, frustrating. Brian Robinson, frustrating. There's a lot of guys where it could be frustrating. So let me go for the guy that I think has the best opportunity to be the top running back in his offense. And the Broncos led the NFL in running back targets last season with 153.

And then they draft Bo Nix, who seems, as Alfredo said, to fit in with that philosophy. Let's go to some wide receivers here. Wide receiver 13, Chris Olave, he's up two spots. Tee Higgins is at wide receiver 22. He's up three spots. Zay Flowers up four spots to wide receiver 25. So Olave at wide receiver 13, Higgins at 22, Flowers at 25. These are all rankings risers.

As we kind of incorporate the rookies here, I'm assuming you have harrison over olave you can tell me if i'm wrong yeah and then okay and then do you have any rookies ahead of higgins or flowers any other rookies um i do not i have neighbors and a dunes a behind those two players okay so uh why are olaveiggins, and Flowers risers for you? For all three of them, it's what they didn't do. And they did not go after wide receivers early, or the Bengals did not trade Tee Higgins away. I know the Bengals did go and get Jermaine Burton, but that's probably just sliding into the Tyler Boyd role or taking over for Tee Higgins after

the year. But I love that Higgins is in the contract year. Chris Olave, the Saints lose Michael Thomas. They don't really go out and get another wide receiver or another pass-catching option. They get Bub Means in the fifth round. Cool. They upgrade the offensive line with Talese Fuaga, giving Derek Carr a little bit more time. Chris Olave, he kind of burned me a little bit last year,

but I'm still willing to draft him where he's going because he can be the top target on this offense and continue to be that number one guy and develop a little bit more chemistry with Derek Carr. And then with Higgins, just to go back to him really quick, there's a lot of recency bias of what happened last year. I think for the Bengals, we got to throw out last year. Last year was an absolute nightmare. They started off terrible.

Then Burrow gets hurt. Then they're dealing with Jake Browning. And then Higgins is hurt. And then it's just one thing led to another. And it was just a disaster of a year. So I'm willing to take the mulligan on T. Higgins. And then lastly was A. Flowers. The Ravens didn't go and draft any other wide receivers until round four.

Devontae Walker, who I think he needs a lot of development. He struggles with routes. He struggles with play strength. This is not a guy who's going to be challenging the other starters for snaps. The Ravens really seem comfortable with giving Rashad Bateman more work. And if that's the case, we kind of already saw what happens with Zay Flowers and Rashad Bateman. Zay Flowers becomes the number one guy. So they're banking on that. I'm not. I do think that Zay Flowers still gets to be the top

wide receiver in a very good offense. Would you draft Chris Olave? And by the way, Alfredo's going to join us for our mock draft today, this afternoon, which we'll be breaking down tomorrow, and I cannot wait to do this draft. Would you draft Olave or Michael Pittman? I have Olave one spot ahead

of Pittman. Okay. How about Olave or Mike Evans? Well, I've got Evans two spots behind Chris Alave. So it's Alave, Pittman, Evans. You're asking the right questions. Okay, okay, good.

Let's talk about your tight ends on the move. Dalton Kincaid up to tight end five. That's a two-spot rise for Kincaid. And Jake Ferguson up to tight end nine, up three spots there. Jamie, any qualms with Kincaid at tight end five or Ferguson at tight end nine? Kincaid's been my tight end five all offseason, so very excited about the opportunity and outlook for him, especially with what Buffalo's receiving core looks like.

We talk all the time about being first or second on your team and targets at that position, and he may be first, just based on how this receiving core looks like. We talk all the time about being first or second on your team and targets at that position. And he may be first, you know, just based on how this receiving core is shaking out. So there's a lot to love about Kincaid's scenario. And we spent a lot of time this off season already saying that, you know, when it was Knox missing or at the end of the season gave Davis missing,

it just was his targets increased, his target percentage increased. And that's a guy I think Josh Allen will definitely lean on. And Sean McDermott already said, you know, he wasn't just talking about his wide receiver room. He was incorporating his wide receiver and tight end room into one. And I think that makes a guy I think Josh Allen will definitely lean on. And Sean McDermott already said, you know, he wasn't just talking about his wide receiver room. He was incorporating his wide receiver and tight end room into one.

And I think that makes a lot of sense given this offense, uh, for Ferguson, he's tight end 10 for me. So, you know, I have him right behind, or maybe tight end 11. Now that power's in there, but I have him right behind the Joku and I'd have no problem taking him over into Joku based on what we saw from the Joku with Deshaun Watson, you know, so Ferguson, I'm sure Alfredo is probably going to say you know they didn't do anything to this receiving core in fact they lost the guy in Michael Gallup and so you kind of know what you're getting you know it's uh the

Jason Witten to Dalton Schultz to Jake Ferguson it's almost rinse wash repeat with what Dak Prescott does with that position it's basically 100 to 110 targets per season it's going to be six to eight touchdowns it's going to be six to eight touchdowns. It's going to be in the neighborhood of 65 to 75 catches, you know, and Ferguson just feels safe, you know, so not somebody I think that has tremendous upside, unless of course something changes in this offense,

but you just know what you're getting. So very good. Settle for tight end, great or late. He's a great late option. And so there's a, there's a good feeling if you have to wait on tight end and this is the guy you settle for again, not a difference maker he's a great late option. And so there's a good feeling if you have to wait on tight end, and this is the guy you settle for. Again, not a difference maker, but a very safe starter.

Cool. Dave, Jake Ferguson had 10 catches, 93 yards, and three touchdowns in one playoff game. That was cool. But how do you think, first for you, Dave, and then I'll throw it to you. Let's project off that for a 24-4. Well, you wonder if it had been part of his final line, right? If he had eight touchdowns instead of five and 850 yards,

how people would view him. I don't think anybody remembered that game until you brought it up. I know, but should they? Probably not. I'm not going to... It was a crazy game. I'm not going to protect him for 51 touchdowns. Dave, obviously that's not what I meant.

Yes, it is. That's exactly what you meant. But he did it. He did it. And people drafted Gabe Davis off a four-touchdown, 200-yard game with that game in mind. But I think that this Ferguson performance in the playoffs is completely forgotten about. Crazy game.

They got behind big to Green Bay. Anywho, the fact that they don't have a running game right now, does it help hurt or not matter at all for Ferguson? It's not just that they don't have a running game that you like. It's that they don't have a number two wide receiver that you like. So there's a real opportunity here for Fergie Ferg to be number two on the Cowboys and targets. I hate where we're at right now because I was stealing him in our mock drafts before the draft, getting them in mid to late round 10, if not round 11. I love that value, but I hate it even more with what's going on with Kincaid and Buffalo.

I don't know how many people are buying Keon Coleman to go in there and be the top target getter right away. I think Kincaid can absolutely do that. He could get maybe even 130 targets, really could be that number one guy for Josh Allen and a real difference maker in fantasy. His ADP in three PPR drafts that we did before the NFL draft was 80.7. That's round seven. I would be shocked if he's a round seven pick in our mock today with Alfredo. I agree that he's top five in PPR.

I think he's top four in ppr i think he's top four in non-ppr i think the spot to get him is right on that fence between rounds five and six i don't mind going after kincaid then because i think he can be a fantasy monster anything you want to add alfredo um i mean these guys really covered it all i just i think that the ceiling for kinkade is really really high we just need to see kind of that touchdown variation over those final 11 weeks of the season kinkade and sam laporta had identical metrics across the board i'd like to see that whole amongst everybody on the show jamie alfredo adam do you think Kincaid can finish top three? Is that in his ceiling for fantasy?

Of course. Do you think he can finish top one? Yes. Yes. Yeah. But I think it would be a kind of, we're drafting nowhere close to his ceiling then. And that's beautiful.

That's the type of guy I want to, I think it would, I don't think it would be like an 18 points per game type of season. I think it would have to be kind of like not a great tight end season. Yeah, like last year. We don't have a truly elite tight end. I don't know if you guys agree. I don't see Kincaid having an elite tight end season.

It would have to be 15 touchdowns. He averaged almost 14 PPR points per game, weeks 8 through 12. There was no Dawson Knox then. I think what you're hoping for is he takes that leap where it doesn't matter if Knox is on the field or not. Yeah, I would hope so.

That's what you're looking for. Let's take a break here. Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll look at some rankings. Fallers try to save some time for that super flex rookie only mock draft. Um, Ooh, James cook is a faller. Hmm.

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All right, so followers in Alfredo's rankings here. Kyron Williams, who we discussed. He's RB10. Josh Jacobs down to RB12. He's down four spots. And James Cook down four spots to RB16. So let's talk about those two guys, Josh Jacobs and James Cook, Alfredo. So much of their value was going to be predicated on volume.

And that's what it was. Josh Jacobs, he was super inefficient last year in Las Vegas, but hey, he's getting volume. And then when the Packers sign him and they cut Aaron Jones, we're saying, okay, cool, volume. They sign A.J. Dillon. Okay, cool. He's still going to get volume because A.J. Dillon's not that great.

But then they go and they draft Marshawn Lloyd. And Marshawn Lloyd's a guy that I liked a lot. He was one of my top three running backs in the draft. and he's a guy that's got that explosive playability. He can be used in the receiving game. They've already talked about using him in the receiving game quite a bit, and we know that LeFleur likes to use two running backs and maybe even three if A.J. Dillon does get a carry or two here and there. It's not like I hate josh jacobs he's still rb12 for me he's he's that low end rb1 but the volume not being there kind of stinks going forward are you comfortable with him in the second round josh jacobs probably not if he slides to the third i'd be more comfortable i

don't want josh jacobs to be the second best player on my fantasy team. Or some backs you've got ranked ahead of Jacobs. Over Jacobs, I've got Ken Walker, Derek Henry, Isaiah Pacheco, and then it just keeps going up the list to Kyron, ETN, Barkley, those guys. Ken Walker, that's higher than you guys have Ken Walker, right? They're almost back-to-back for me with Jacob still slightly ahead, but yes, I went draft Walker ahead of him, but I, I certainly agree with Alfredo that Jacob was a loser coming out of the draft.

I agree too. And yet I still have them ranked fairly high, certainly as a second round pick, call me skeptical that Marshawn Lloyd's going to go in there and take a lot of work away from Jacobs. I love this offense in green Bay. Fingers crossed that they keep it all together and that Jacobs has the opportunity to do at least, at least get the workload that Aaron Jones had in the postseason. Not necessarily the numbers that Aaron Jones had in the postseason, because that was preposterous,

but still having that chance all season long to just be the lead one, a running back in that offense. I think he could be very productive that's somebody that i want to get a piece of yeah so why ken walker i mean ken walker has got competition doesn't he and i think he catches fewer passes this year than than uh josh jacobs why do you not have the same concerns about ken walker um just a flat out ken walker i think he's just a better football player than Josh Jacobs. He's going to provide a lot more explosive plays. Like I said, the efficiency for Jacobs

was absolutely terrible. And we didn't really, I think we all had the fear of Zach Charbonnet coming in and taking a lot of work from Walker. That didn't happen. I know that can change going into year two. We've got a new offensive coordinator, but I also think that with the Seahawks

doing a lot more downfield stuff, that's going to open things up a lot more for the seahawks and running game so for ken walker those plays that maybe weren't uh the big breakout running plays i think we get a little bit more of that like what we saw in his rookie season and uh i just prefer ken walker in in that aspect because i think he's a better football player okay so i was just thinking as you were talking about dalton kincaid being on the rise i I'm just kind of thinking to myself, like, man, they don't really have a great receiving core here unless Keon Coleman has a terrific rookie season.

If the Bills are going to be really good offensively this year, I feel like James Cook is going to have to be a huge part of that. And then I see him on your father's list here, so maybe you don't agree. The other thing about Cook is he could be really good in real life and just not score a lot of touchdowns and not be that good in fantasy. So I get that. But down to RB16 for you.

So why the drop for James Cook? I think, well, we're kind of like it's the magician thing. While we're all looking over here at what's happening for Dalton Kincaid and Keon Coleman, I think we missed or we're just forgetting what happened with Curtis Samuel being on that team. And I think that there's a lot of overlap in the Venn diagram of what Curtis Samuel does and what James Cook does. And we know that Curtis Samuel had one of his best seasons of his career under Joe Brady.

So not surprised if Curtis Samuel is getting a bunch of targets out of the backfield and that not necessarily limits James Cook, but takes a few targets away from him. And then one of my favorite guys, the running back spot who Dave and I have talked about quite a bit is Ray Davis. And I think he's very underrated. He was, I think my running back five or six in this class. And I get it. He's like 34 years old. Cool. He just needs to be good right now on his first contract in the NFL. And I think he can absolutely do that. He's got a three down skillset. I know he was Daniel Jeremiah's running back three, which surprised a lot of people, but he's got the three down skill set. I know he's Daniel Jeremiah's running back three, which surprised a lot of people, but he's got the three down skill set and he

fits the mold of what the Bills have been trying to get for years. A running back that can work the goal line and also work in tandem with James Cook. They tried to do that with Damian Harris and then the injury derailed all of that. They've tried to do that. They've tried it with a lot of guys. Yeah, they really have.

And it's like everybody except the guy we want, usually. It's like some Latavius Murray, Damian Harris, Leonard Fournette, Frank Gore. Zach Moss. Zach Moss, right? They always do try it.

So, man, I love James Cook. The guy is so good, right? You've got to like him as a player, right? Because I know you're not, you didn't seem so thrilled about Josh Jacobs, but I don't think you have efficiency concerns with James Cook. No, James cook had there's a lot of explosive plays

there i think just what worries me is there's going to be times where maybe we would have seen more of these explosive plays and like the passing game or near the goal line where he might not be out there as much ray davis is also a really good pass blocker that's one of the things there's a clip going around on twitter uh i think it's brandon bean or one of the guys from the bill's front office that he talks about that that's the play he keeps watching of Ray Davis, where he just absolutely unloads on a blitzer. And I get it. Josh Allen is able to escape the pass rush, but the little things like that get running backs in the field. And when I see a pathway for a rookie to get onto the field, it just ends up hurting that veteran just a little bit. So I

don't hate James Cook. He's still my running back 16. I think he's got some great upside in the passing game, but he just moves down a little bit for me. I'm going to skip some of the names on your list. You have James Connor as a faller, but definitely want to talk about Raheem Mostert, uh, down four spots before I do that. I did want to mention my favorite Venn diagram, but there's a lot of Venn diagrams going around and you mentioned it. It's, I don't know if you've seen this one. It's the, you guys ready to rock and roll Venn diagram. Have you seen that one? I have not, but that sounds like a dadism of some sort.

So the left side is lead singers at concerts and the other is dad leaving a restaurant. Spot on, spot on. I love that one. All right, so Raheem Mostert down four spots. Did you move H-hand down? And what do you think about the Dolphins' backfield? This is one we talked about a lot

with Jalen Wright coming aboard. Yeah, I moved them both down just a little bit. Raheem Mostert was really fun last season, but he's not a guy that I want to rely on as one of my top two running backs on my fantasy team. I also moved down Devon A-Chan. Let's go with the Venn diagram thing again. There's just so much overlap

when you get all three of these guys into a room together. Hearing Mike McDaniel say there's going to be competition is never something you really want to hear. I do think Mostert and Achan probably get the majority of the early reps and Wright gets brought along little by little, but Mostert missed time last season and Achan missed time last season. And Jalen Wright, my exact draft comp for him was Raheem Mostert. So to me, it speaks volume that a team like the Dolphins that had needs in the secondary

and defensive line and offensive line, they traded up to go get a running back when they already had to. It's like, why do we need to go? Why did we draft Raheem Mostert when we have Raheem Mostert at home? Well, they did it anyways and they traded up to go do it.

So to me, that just speaks a lot about the usage that he could be getting in this season and by the way alfredo does such a great job studying these running backs in the offseason so uh when he gives you a comp and tells you you know about rookie running backs definitely someone that you want to be paying attention to i know i certainly do um so where do you have a chan you have most started rb29 where do you have A-chan? You have Mostert at RB29. Where do you have A-chan? This is going to be a little spicy. I've got A-chan at running back

15 right now behind Joe Mixon. Dave, is that spicy? No. Oh, good. Not spicy at all. It might be spicy for others. I've got A-chan even further down just because I'm so standoffish on this running back group. If I could draft a team running back, maybe the Dolphins would be top three, but I'm worried about HN ever being a lead running back.

When last year, how often was he the lead back? I know that there were games where he had a lot of carries and more carries than most are. A lot of those games were blowouts. How many blowouts are the dolphins going to be in this year? Either way makes me a little bit nervous to take them. I'm, I'm probably going to let other people take HN. Dave, Jamie is, is HN higher than 15th for you?

No, he's lower, but just not, not far behind. It's, it's the same thing. You know, it's,

it's a lot of mouths to feed in an offense that has a lot of weapons. There's only one ball to go around, you know? So I think HN is still my favorite. He is still my favorite dolphins running back. I just wonder how this split's going to work, you know, and how much they're going to rely on all three of these guys. It still feels like from what last year, at least how last year unfolded that most of it will be the reliable of the

three, but he's going to be 32. You know what I mean? How much more can he hold up in that regard? And, you know, you have these two Lamborghinis, you know, that need to get fed as well. And you know how Mike McDaniel wants to, you know, just create mismatches and use that speed as much as he can. So I think it's going to be frustrating at times for all of these guys. I think there's going to be amazing stretches of seasons for each of these guys individually,

hopefully more so for HN and Mostert based on how people will be drafting them. But you also got to think that this was a move for the future too. This was a move to replace Raheem Mostert. It could happen this year. Most likely it happens next year. And then we see this Dolphins backfield

with HN and Wright for many years to come. Jamie, did you hear McDaniel's comment about how it's going to be a fierce competition and take that to mean more like the back of the running back depth chart rather than the front of the running back depth chart? No, I think that he's going to allow these guys to all fight for who's going to get on the field. And rightfully so. I mean, A. Chan showed he has the ceiling to be the best running back in football. That Denver game certainly speaks to that.

Mostert led the NFL in rushing touchdowns, tied for the lead in total touchdowns. He's got a proven track record in this system with this coach. And Jalen Wright, you know, while you can nitpick how he got his production with a lot of light boxes at Tennessee, he certainly has the speed that the Dolphins covet. You know, so he could be a special teams guy also. You know, this could certainly be a move to, you move to get a guy on the field that just needs a tiny little sliver of a hole, and he's gone for a lot of special teams production too. So that could be part of this as well.

And there's going to be a lot of light boxes in Miami too. This is a really good fit for him. It's probably the best team fit for him going from college to the pros. Here's my problem with all of this. I mean, you've made so many good points, but I'm just, just go back to last year. You had Brijon and Gibbs drafted in the first round. I'm just going to read the rest of the running backs and did they have any impact on the incumbent Zach Charbonnet? Yes, I would say he did. He took Walker off the field in two minute drills. He was the pass catching guy. But that probably would have been someone else other than Walker regardless.

But Walker still had a fine year. Third round, Kendri Miller did not impact Kamara at all. Tajay Spears had himself a nice year, but did not impact Derrick Henry at all. Derrick Henry was not a pass catcher anyway. He wasn't getting 50 catches. Right, that's another situation where somebody else— If you're going to say Charbonnet impacted Walker, Spears impacted

Henry. Right. It was the same type of impact, but not one that was surprising to us. Fine, but not one that really impacted their fantasy value though. I mean, those guys had their opportunities. Right. I don't think we were looking at Walker or Henry as three down dominators. None of these guys are going to

do it. Even AN. HN, you know, HN obviously was, was great, but was tank Bigsby? No. And now we're at, those were around three picks round for Roshan Johnson.

Yeah. Yeah. He, because they didn't really have a great running back. I mean, they didn't really have like a guy. Right. I just feel like it's very possible that these,

these rookies are just not going to matter that much. I mean, the incumbents I think are going to have their chance. If they blow it, that's another story. But that's what would worry me for Josh Jacobs. I think when it comes down to where the position is from an NFL perspective, you almost have to throw out draft value because there was not going to be a lot of guys that were going to be drafted high brooks may have gone a few spots higher if his acl was intact

you know maybe the the cowboys would have actually bought in on him you know and the hype was there but in any event i think when you just look at it you know so when we say fifth round pick for this guy or third round pick for that guy, it's not really the case like it used to be anymore of where these guys were getting selected. I don't agree with you. I don't agree. I think there's a pretty clear correlation that guys taken on day three just aren't very good. Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying where these guys are being drafted,

was the same thing the case two years ago? I'm saying this being naive. Yeah, I'll look it up um that they didn't have much impact but but you know what i was getting at is pierce free agency was was much different this year for that position because i think people looked at the draft and said there's not a lot of special talents that are going to help us change so baltimore goes and spends for derrick henry and you know the texans going trade for joe mixon and the the vikings jump on aaron jones the minute he's set, you know, the Texas is going trade for Joe Mixon and the Vikings jump on Aaron Jones the minute he set free. You know, there's a lot of just, you know, following the domino effect of how this all

unfolded. And really, you look at it, there was one team, at least unless I'm off here, one team that said they drafted a starter. And that's the Panthers, which had a failed experiment last year for agency and a guy that's just a guy in Chuba Hubbard. You know, I don't I don't think the Cardinals drafted Trey Benson to be their starter. He might be their eventual starter, but he's not starting this year. So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of these scenarios where these guys are just guys, you know.

So it's funny, like, you know, and Alfredo, I think, brought up something which we're all victim of where, you know, you said Blake Corham is going to impact Kyron Williams. But Zach Charbonnet didn't impact Ken Walker. They almost feel like, again, different players, but one guy was coming off a very productive college career, and we thought, oh, Charbonnet goes here, he goes there, he goes, oh, crap, he went to the Seahawks. If Corham goes here, here, here, and maybe he has an opportunity, he may do nothing to Kyron Williams, absolutely nothing to him,

to impact him in a tremendously negative way. That's kind of the way I'm leaning. I don't know. You kind of made it sound like I said that Corum will impact No, no, no, no, no. I was agreeing with you. I don't know if he will. But if we're talking about outcomes, of course there's a chance that

it could go to either side of the pendulum. There's a chance Blake Corum could be the best running back in LA from early season on. There's a chance Blake Corum be the best running back in LA from early season on. There's a chance Blake Horn could matter not at all. He was taking like 80 spots

ahead of where Kyron Williams was taking, so it's possibly just a better running back. I do think you have to have your antenna up there. What Kyron Williams did last year

was very surprising. Is it Damian Pierce? Is it James Robinson? Is it those type of guys? Isaiah Pacheco? But he's brought up a good point when we talk about those guys.

The coaching staff didn't change. I, so from my standpoint, when I get worried is I don't have faith in the rook, in the incumbent running back. If I do have faith in them, then I don't think a third round pick is probably going to have much of a, an effect on the guy.

That's, I guess that'd be my easiest way to sum it up. I'll say this for those running backs that have been getting drafted later. I don't think we can value day three running backs the same way we have in the past because the NFL has changed. We only saw four running backs actually get 20 touches per game last year on average. That's the lowest in the NFL in forever. So I know there's been a lot of hyperbole that the NFL is changing and running backs don't matter, but we are kind of seeing that come to fruition. We are starting to see a bit more of these committee backfields. All right. Let's talk about the rookie-only super flex mock.

After one more guy, one more guy, one more rankings follower for you, it's Debo Samuel down five spots. Is that a Ricky Pearsall reaction? Yeah. Yeah. It's a Ricky Pearsall reaction. I'm, I was very high on Ricky Pearsall. Um, I was on with JJ Zachary.

So we were talking about Ricky Pearsall and lad McConkey and those scrappy gym rat slot receiver types. And, uh, I sat there and I said, you know, the more film I start to watch, I liked lad, but the more film I start to watch,

I think Ricky Pearsall does everything that lad McConkey does, but even better. And now he gets onto a really good offense. Devo Samuel does tend to miss time here and there. And back to the Venn diagram. There's a little bit of what Ricky Pearsall can do in terms of underneath work, in terms of actually, he got used a lot in the rushing game at Florida. I love that he's got versatility throughout various schemes, three different quarterbacks throughout his college career. There's just a really good shot

for Ricky Pearsall to hit the ground running and be on the field in these three wide receiver sets. And it doesn't necessarily kill Debo Samuel. A little bit is Debo Samuel moving down because of Pearsall

and then others is, you know, wide receivers moving up because their team didn't draft wide receivers to hurt their value. Okay. I'm looking at some fun Venn diagrams right now, trying to find my favorites.

This one I can't. Oh, good. You're paying attention to what I'm thinking of. Yeah, Debo Samuel, Ricky Pearsall. I can't say this one on the air, but I will say this about Ricky Pearsall. As I dug into these wide receivers, a lot of the people in the industry, including Alfredo, as I dug into these wide receivers, a lot of the people in

the industry, including Alfredo that I think are great at what they do and really respect them. They were higher on Ricky Pearsall than I think then I, you know, then what the consensus draft rankings may have been, may have been. And then you see the 49ers draft him in the first round. It's pretty exciting stuff. So that surprised me. The the first round draft capital i thought he'd be a second round pick for sure i had to change our thumbnail and everything for our day two uh youtube live stream because he was on there that's annoying it's annoying to change you got schaefer that's not a fun thing to do all right let's get to that uh rookie only super flex mock draft and see how it went and get alfredo's reaction to it here. We had, it was three rounds, PPR,

and it was a non-snake draft. And again, it was super flex. And how about Caleb Williams going number one, Marvin Harrison number two. Now, these are not real teams, so we don't know what the team needs were or anything. This was just the mock draft. Caleb, Marvin Harrison, Jaden Daniels.

It gets pretty interesting after that. I mean, do you go with neighbors or Odunze? Or do you go with what RJ White did with the fourth pick, Dave? He took JJ McCarthy. Again, it is super flex, but I would call him a riskier prospect than neighbors and Odunze. It went McCarthy, then Odunze, then Malik neighbors. Those were the first six picks. Do you think McCarthy was the right choice after Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Jaden Daniels? It's going to come down to need, obviously, in these super flex drafts,

these rookie only drafts that we're talking about. I think in a vacuum, I'm taking neighbors, but I get it with McCarthy. I love the landing spot for McCarthy, and I think he can end up being very good for fantasy in Minnesota, throwing to those receivers. As I told you, I think, Adam, on our last show, I'm in a rookie-only draft, super flex. I had the fifth pick, and it went Williams, Daniels, Harrison, neighbors, McCarthy for me. Before Odunze.

You needed the quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I have Stafford and Geno Smith in a super flex league. Like, quarterback was a priority. So, I mean, I have Stafford and Geno Smith in a super flex league. Quarterback was a priority. So what was I going to say? So what about the idea, though, Jamie? Did you put this thought into it? Well, Odunze is just a better prospect. I like him better.

I will draft him and then try to trade for a quarterback. So I also had the 12th pick,, I thought maybe play out the scenario of, and it would have worked out of taking Odunze and then Bo Nix. And so I could have had that pairing. Instead, I ended up with McCarthy and McConkie and I liked that better. You know, just if,

if McCarthy hits and clearly there's, you know, wide range of, of, of, you know, speculation on what kind of a player he is, prospect he is. The landing spot is undeniable, you know, wide range of, of, of, you know, speculation on what kind of a player he is, prospect he is. The landing spot is undeniable, you know,

that he ended up in arguably the best spot for any of the rookie quarterbacks and it could debate the bears. But, um, you know, if, if he hits and, and is Kirk cousins, you know, that, that's a starting fantasy quarterback in a super flex league that feels safer to me than Bo Nix and McConkie, while he's not Odunze, is certainly a starting caliber fantasy option. In this league, we start five receivers. So I like the way that it worked out better for me.

And as I told you, I was either going to go neighbors or McCarthy, depending on how those two guys were selected. And I feel better, actually, about ending up with McCarthy in this format. Alfredo, what are your thoughts? Because I actually think there's another angle to this. McCarthy being the third quarterback, well, I'm not so sure that that shouldn't be Drake May. I understand the landing spot makes a huge difference,

but May was picked third, and then you see these post-draft reports that the Giants were willing to give up a lot to move up to get Drake May, and the Vikings, I believe, were going to give up a lot to move up to get Drake May. And the Vikings, I believe, were going to give up their two first-round picks and a 2025 first-round pick. At least that was the report to get Drake May. Then they ended up getting J.J. McCarthy.

So how do you see, again, this draft went Caleb, Marvin Harrison, Jaden Daniels, and then it got kind of interesting. What would you have done there with the fourth pick? If I'm at the fourth pick, once again, it depends on the team build out there. I'm probably going with one of the receivers, the Doonsay neighbors, but I'm taking Drake May over JJ McCarthy. I had him there pre-draft. I still have him there, but now they're neck and neck.

The thing was, I just had JJ McCarthy a bit lower. I get it. I get it. Drake May ended up in a bad landing spot, but everything that you just said, Adam, shows us how the NFL valued him. And I already valued him high. And that was kind of validating. It was vindicating to hear that, that that's what these teams wanted. It's going to be a process. It's going to be a process for both these guys. I think that a lot of people look at the landing spot for JJ McCarthy and think he could hit the ground running. There's not really a guarantee that Sam Darnold doesn't start the first half of the season and JJ McCarthy still has a lot of developing to do I think it was 2022 where his he had less more or to me he had less pass attempts than Drake May had past completions so I know there's much to do about Drake May not having experience and only starting two years he's 21 years old he's going to develop JJ McCarthy he needs more experience as. He needs to be passing the ball quite a bit more as well. What I do obviously get is there's a big advantage for him with KOC and what they were able to do with Josh Dobbs and all these other backup quarterbacks

in Minnesota. So I wouldn't fault anyone for taking McCarthy over May. I prefer May for the long term because I think there's a higher ceiling there because that environment, that ecosystem around him can change, but there's a lot of Josh Allen to what Drake may does. Jonathan Brooks went seventh overall in this draft after three wide receivers and three quarterbacks. Then Drake may went eighth and Brock Bowers went ninth Alfredo first to you. Jonathan Brooks, you know, look, seventh is kind of late for the

first running back off the board, but he was a late pick in terms of the first running back off the board of the NFL draft. Do you think he belongs in that group there with Bowers and May? Yes, but at the end of it, I'd probably put him around 10 or 11, and you can make your choice on Jonathan Brooks or Xavier Worthy, which I'd probably go Worthy and Brian Thomas over Brooks. I really like Jonathan Brooks. I really do. For Dynasty, though, I am going to value wide receivers just a little bit more. Okay.

It is funny. This draft that I'm looking at, the results are almost identical. So it was, and this is with other people in the industry, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors, J.J. McCarthy, Odunze 6, Brooks 7, Bowers 8, May 9, Worthy 10, Brian Thomas 11, and Ladd-McConkie 12. Okay, so that brings us to 10, 11, and 12 in this draft, because the first nine were Caleb, Harrison, Daniels, McCarthy, Odunze, Neighbors, Brooks,

Drake May, Brock Bowers, Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkie, Brian Thomas. So those guys rounded out. And then in the second round, after Worthy, McConkie, Thomas, we have Keon Coleman, Bo Nix, Ricky Pearsall.

You're getting all the guys who were top 35 picks in the NFL draft. Trey Benson is the second running back off the board. Then Michael Penix and then Xavier Leguette. You want to stop there, Dave? We got Benson, Penix,

Leguette in the middle, early to mid second round. I mean, you ran off a ton of names. The first thing that stands out between our super flex mock and Jamie's draft is that there, there seems to be a consensus top 12 and that's good. So lots of receivers in there, one running back in there, four quarterbacks in there for a super flex. I think that's something that fantasy managers who are going to be doing rookie only super flex drafts of their own can go ahead and feel good about. As for round two, I think these are a lot of the names that are going to be at the top of round two in a 12 team rookie only super flex.

And it's almost like you choose which flavor of ice cream you like. There's a lot to love about all the guys that you named, except Penix. I don't know how much there is to love about him, because if you're taking him with an early second round pick, you're basically saying, okay, this is a pick that I'm just shoving away into the future. I don't like doing that with an early second round pick in a rookie only draft when there's other solid talent on the board. And a lot of that talent did go ahead of Penix and ours, but I think some guys that went after Penix deserve to be going ahead of him as well, simply because you just have to wait a long went after Penix deserve to be going ahead of him as well,

simply because you just have to wait a long time for Penix. And there's no guarantee that Penix is going to work out as a, as a great fantasy quarterback down the line. It is interesting if you pick in the beginning part of it. And if you anticipate Bo Nix being there in round two, like you can't ask for a better start. In my opinion, if you get Harrison and Nix, you know, maybe you could sayiams and keon coleman that's a pretty good option as well but like if you're in the bow nicks camp and you're not sold so much on caleb williams or jayden daniels and you have the first pick you know marvin harrison's going to be a superstar all right which star do you like better jamie williams and coleman or harrison in this format i like williams and coleman better but you know it's not bad to say you're going to go Harrison and Nix.

You know, I'm not the biggest Bo Nix guy. But, you know, to end up with Harrison and Nix, you know, especially if you have, like in my situation where you need both, you know, so you never have too many receivers and you need a quarterback. You know, so if you want to take one of those quarterbacks, especially if you're picking two or three, you know, if you end up with Harrison, you may end up still with Bo Nix.

That's pretty good. Yep. But if you end up with Harrison, you may end up still with Bonex. It's pretty good. Trey Benson went with the fourth pick of round two. Jalen Wright went with the seventh pick of round two. There are only three running backs, Brooks, Benson, and Wright, Alfredo. Only three running backs taken in the first 23 picks. Blake Corum went 24th overall. But when you look at this, do you think that these running backs

should have gone higher? Do you think this is okay? Your thoughts. I think it's okay. Like I said, I do tend to lean a little bit more towards wide receiver value in Dynasty, especially because of like

what we talked about throughout this show is that we don't know how much these guys are actually going to play as rookies. And then once they get to their second year, if they didn't get a lot of snaps,

it's really hard to start getting these guys onto the field that where I think there's some really good path to relevance for guys like Roman Wilson going to the Steelers. I absolutely love that. He's Deontay Johnson, but he blocks, uh, 80 Mitchell can be a lot of fun for the Colts.

Um, you never want injury, but if something were to happen to Michael Pittman, the Colts really showed they wanted A.D. Mitchell. So he's another guy. And we kind of touched on Jermaine Burton a little bit earlier as a guy that could turn into something for the Bengals if T. Higgins leaves. So I would probably be taking a lot of those wide receivers.

I'm looking at my rookie rankings, and I think in that second round, I'm taking most of those receivers over. So I've got Roman Wilson and A.D. Mitchell over Trey Benson. And then right after Blake Corham, I've got Jermaine Burton and Malachi Corley. But I'm not taking Jalen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd in that second round. We got Joey Wright from Football Guys in the chat today.

And he says, the gentleman who took Williams and Keon Coleman is kind, smart, and handsome. And that, of course, was him. Daily affirmations. I think, Jamie, if you could just put me behind Zach Brooke in every draft, that'd be great. Because he took a Doomsday. I took Neighbors.

He took Panics. I took Leggett. He took Estimate. I took Marshawn Lloyd. I don't understand that. I don't understand Bucky Irving or Estimate going ahead of Marshawn Lloyd. That was, I thought, you know, I got lucky there. But last thing, you'll see the result.

If you want to see this, we got articles about it on the website. You can see the results. You actually have three rookie-only mock drafts. I did two of them. Heath did one. So I did the super flex one that you're seeing here, a one quarterback one, which we also did. You referenced that, Adam Adam at the same time.

And then he did a tight end premium one also. So that one's already on the site and these two will be up by the end of the day. Javon Baker and Jalen Polk going back to back in the third round. Dave Baker went just ahead of Polk. These are both Patriots guys. Polk going two rounds ahead of Baker in the real draft. Baker going one pick ahead of Polk in this draft.

Who do you prefer? I prefer Polk. I think he's got the better chance to stay on the roster in a meaningful role for a longer period of time. There's upside with Baker too. He's more of the physical rangy type of wide out that you'll use on the perimeter. I think Polk can do it all. I think he can play anywhere across the field.

He's not necessarily elite in any one category, but someone who can just be a good contributor for the Patriots over the balance of his career. He's someone I'm targeting with that late second or early third round and rookie only. And this is, you know, to go back to Alfredo's point about Drake May, about the ecosystem changing, you see what the Patriots are doing. You know, they went out and they were very aggressive in putting weapons around May. You know, they may not be established guys, but you know, if, if one of these guys, let's say it's, you know, Douglas and, and Baker, you know, from a year ago, or even Taekwon Thornton, who now has, you know, better offensive system and a quarterback that may be able to get him

the ball, you know, so if two of their young receivers are just competent, that could be a two and a three on a team. They follow the Bills' path. They follow the Dolphins' path. They go out and they just spend significant capital, draft picks, money, whatever it takes, to go get an alpha. And a year from now, we're saying, oh my God, I can't believe I took J.J. McCarthy over Drake May.

That's the type of scenario that can easily change. It's similar to what we're talking about with Bryce Young. He had nothing last year. And they go and they get Deontay Johnson. They draft Xavier Leggett. They bring in a running back who can catch passes. They upgrade Xavier to get, they bring in a running back and cash passes. They upgrade the offensive line. They're bringing a different play caller,

like everything changed for him. And so everything could change for Drake May too. So it's, it's certainly if you're in the Drake May camp, don't give up hope. If he has a struggling rookie campaign. Alfredo, thank you so much for coming on our show.

Yeah. Thank you guys for having me. This was fun. And where should we be? Diagrams. Yeah, it was great And where should we be? Diagrams? Yeah. It was great. Where should we be looking for your content?

Well, you can always follow me over on Twitter or I'm not going to call it X, but at the pretend GM. And then we are actually moving into a brand new YouTube channel right now. YouTube.com slash football guys fantasy, where you're going to catch myself, Dave Kluge, Jagger,

May, Joey, right. A bunch of our guys just doing fantasy talk there. Leave it. Leave it. Our old channel for the audible, the established guys, Sigmund Blum, Cecil Lamy, all them. And we have a dynasty channel as well.

So you can check all that out. Nice. We're neighbors now on YouTube. Do you need a moving truck? No, we'll be OK. We just have a little dolly that Joey pushes around. Yeah, but Joey always carries a dolly with him. Yes, 100%. Whether we're moving or not.

We could definitely make a Venn diagram of fantasy football today. Football, guys. There's a lot of things. It's just going to be a picture of Joey dressed up as the star citizen. Salutations, Joey. That's right in the middle. Have a great day, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

Reviewing a mock draft with the rookies. See you then.