Fantasy Football Today - DRAFT DAY CHEAT SHEET! Best Strategies and Values at Each Position (08/30 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. You know, I thought maybe I was a little too low. Maybe Jamie and I were a little too low on Jonathan Taylor when we did our bonus podcast yesterday. Then I saw Heath's tweet. I think it was RB28. Is that right, Heath? That's what I said. Oh, you're high.

Where are you, Jamie? 32. Woo! My goodness. It just keeps getting lower. All right, so we'll talk a little bit more about Jonathan Taylor here as we've had some time to reflect. I have some emails about Jonathan Taylor.

Fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. I have a mailbag episode for you. We'll record it on Friday afternoon. We'll air it on Saturday on the podcast feed. But YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasyfootball today, that'll be on Friday afternoon. News and notes today and position preview review. We're going to give you the latest on ADP,

so the latest trends at each position, maybe a strategy, some best values, and a sleeper and a breakout and a bust. So if you missed everything or you just want an update, you're just tuning in now. We will help you out and just get you ready for a busy, busy weekend of drafting. But let's just start with

who to pick up for the Colts and when to draft or how to rank Jonathan Taylor. Heath, you had him 28th. I didn't realize you'd actually be higher on him than Jamie. And what do you think? Give me your overall thoughts here.

Yeah, round eight is kind of where I'm thinking. If you want to wait until round nine or if you just don't want to draft him i understand that as well i think like there is a risk at this point that jonathan taylor just doesn't want to play football this year um there's a risk at this point that he comes back and plays one game and then hurts something else and he's done so i i think you have to draft him with no floor expectations, but there's also the possibility that he sits out four games and shows up week five and is Jonathan Taylor the rest of the season.

And that's probably worth like a fourth round pick or a third round pick maybe. So like it's, it's not anything where there's any certainty, but it's just, you're trying to weigh the upside with the risk. And right now, after what's happened in the last 24 hours, the risk feels more real. I did a draft last night, Adam, where he went 82nd overall. This was a PPR draft, two running backs, two receivers, and a flex. And I had the first pick, so it was on an end. So when it got past round seven, I said,

if he comes back, I'm going to take him. There's no reason to avoid him at this point. And he went on the other end. Okay. Okay. So give me the running backs that you're taking ahead of him, the three or four that are right in front of Jonathan Taylor. Probably the most glaring for me was when I started to weigh,

okay, this guy versus Taylor, that guy versus Taylor. I have both commanders running backs ahead of Jonathan Taylor. And I think that's where I drew the line was that I'm not going to draft the commanders running backs ahead of Jonathan Taylor. I've gotten just ahead. It is like a collection of the guys I've called busts. I think Brees Hall and Ken Walker are the two guys that I have directly in front of Jonathan Taylor. So yesterday we did a show

on CBS Sports Network. It was a lot of fun. We're going to do another one on Friday at 10.30 a.m. Eastern. Please be there. And we did a defend your team segment here where we each looked at our podcast league teams,

14 team PPR. We went head to head. And I think it was me versus Heath in the first round. Uh, and Heath, you gave yourself the win because you had Jonathan Taylor and you said pretty soon he's going to be a first round pick. Can you give me the win? Can I get the win in that league? Here's the thing I think you don't understand about the way that game worked is that we didn't give ourselves the win. We had to sell to the judges. I sold to the judges. The judges

decided. I can't take it away and give you the win now. Okay, Jamie, can I have the win now? Because you decided that Heath won yesterday. Well, I told you why Heath won. Because you came and started the segment very arrogantly about how great your team was. It's true. That was the reason I gave Heath the win very arrogantly about how great your team was true and

so that was the reason i gave heath to win i told you i thought your team was better okay well fine i guess i i guess i'm being appropriately punished let me ask you some jonathan taylor questions here this is a dynasty question from taco dynasty trade i give taylor i get dobbins i don't know why i said it like that dobbins I'm a contender and my running backs are just okay. Mixon, Walker, Charbonnet are the main ones. Do I give up Taylor for Dobbins in Dynasty? I wrote about this yesterday and I'm going to write about it some more later in the week when I get a little more time, but I got a trade off for like a week and a half ago in the baked burger dynasty league of, of miles standards for Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor after a particular piece of bad news came out.

And then I got a message from that guy this morning because Adam added me to the messaging system. Thanks for that. I'm saying, just kind of wanting to re-up those talks. And I think if you're in a Dynasty League as a contender, I'm holding. At least right now. If we get to a point where people feel like or maybe you're 3-3

and you're not quite as contending as you thought and then you want to trade him. But I would hate to trade Jonathan Taylor away for somebody I don't value as much when he's the guy who would have won me the league in the second half of the season. Okay, this is from Kevin. I just want to go back to that because your your team in

particular in that league is is built to win now it is so why not take the option of solidifying that chance knowing that that was your strategy going in um because i still have justin fields and aaron jones and joe mixon and cooper cup and travis kelsey like i i think i'm still going to be winning early in the year, and I think there's a better chance Taylor might help me win a championship in the second half of the year. But so could Sanders, though. And there's more safety involved with Sanders.

There's a little bit more safety involved with him, yeah. But I prefer Taylor in Dynasty, so I'm not quite willing to make that deal. Gotcha. All right. This is from Kevin who has Jonathan Taylor PPR league. He'll be starting Dobbins and Swift in week one. Now move Taylor to IR.

I can pick up a running back to replace him. My waiver wire has the rest of the Colts backfield, the rest of the Eagles backfield and Roshan Johnson. Based on listening to your show, I'm inclined to take Roshan Johnson. Who would you guys take? You're looking at the Colts guys, the Eagles guys other than Swift and Roshan Johnson. I mean, Roshan Johnson might be the starter for the Bears at some point this season.

So that's a no brainer for me. But look, that's a that's a great scenario to be in that you have the option of Roshan Johnson, the option of Kenneth Gamo or Rashad Penny and to see what happens with the Colts. So Johnson's the easy one. And then just kind of, you know, you know,

you can kind of make some, make some moves. I'd love to know what is on his team that these guys were available still, you know, like that's gotta be a very shallow league. Well, the Johnson one maybe, but not the rest of the Colts backfield

and the rest of the Eagles backfield. Now, let's say... Well, I mean, I don't know how many drafts we've done, and I've done a few 10-team ones where we've seen the Eagles backfield and Roshon Johnson available. I guess that's true. So what about Kareem Hunt?

Would you guys take... Because I did. I took a gamble. I put a $5 bid on kareem hunt instead of deon jackson or evan hall um i got him so would you who would you take if you were just trying to get a colts running back which and including kareem hunt or four net or whatever in there i think at this point you you should be planning on and he kind of spoke to this about his jonathan taylor strategy is who's going to be the guy

in week one? I can't imagine Kareem Hunt of East Highlands right now is starting week one. It feels like Deion Jackson's starting week one. I feel like he splits with Hull. I think whoever is on the roster is splitting. I don't think anybody's walking in.

Kareem Hunt, Leonard Fournette, the guys they have. Zach Moss back from his broken arm. I don't think anybody's walking in. Kareem Hunt, Leonard Fournette, the guys they have. Zach Moss back from his broken arm. I don't think anybody's getting 100% of the touches. So yeah. If you feel like if it's a split with Evan Hull, then just go get Evan Hull because he's probably going to be the one playing on passing downs. Not that that's going to matter.

I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I mean, Jackson had two games with eight or more catches last year. I don't feel confident that they're going to have a passing downs guy. I think they're just going to mix them in there, both of them, based on what I saw in the preseason anyway. I don't feel confident that Anthony Richardson, with a coach who had a 12% running back target rate last year,

is going to throw the ball to the running backs at all. Right. I don't feel confident that these guys are going to be any good for fantasies. That's why I feel like Hunt maybe could be a little better, but obviously it's not a great situation. Well, I think if you're playing the long game, then Kareem Hunt is the flyer. If you're looking at it, who's on the roster right now,

I would probably go Zach Moss, to be honest with you. Okay. Heath, how about you? Pick your Colts running back. Yeah. I've got Moss ranked the highest. None of them are going to be ranked inside the first 12 rounds for me. Okay. And last question here, real quick, Heath, just for you.

I got offered Javante Williams and a second-round rookie pick for Jonathan Taylor in Dynasty. PPR. I'd still rather have Taylor. All right. Big night tonight. Draftathon night. Yeah.

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Jerry Judy will not go on short-term IR. I asked this to Jamie yesterday. I'll ask you, Heath. Who would you draft first, Jonathan Taylor or Jerry Judy? That's a good question because I think I have both of those guys in round eight. Would probably just depend on roster construction. Okay.

Would you draft Jerry Judy or George Pickens, guys? Pickens. Yeah, it's Pickens, although I don't really love it. Okay. Joe Burrow is still not practicing. Is anybody worried about his week one availability?

No. Okay. A little. Okay. Yeah. DJ Chark is optimistic about playing in week one. Terrace Marshall returned to practice for the Panthers as well. He missed about two weeks with a back injury.

Who should the first Panthers wide receiver off the board be? Thielen. Yeah, I need to update that. It's Thielen again. I've been bouncing all over the place, and none of them should be taken in the first 10 rounds, but Thielen. Which receiving core is better by the end of the season?

Receivers only. Panthers or Texxans i'm gonna say tech i think the panthers are better right now um so i'm hopeful the texans play their young guys and those young guys improve, but I'd probably lean Panthers. I would lean Texans, but it's no strong lean there. Yeah, if you have Alvin Kamara, if you have Jonathan Taylor, and you have Adam Thielen on your team, if you have Jerry Judy,

I have a lead with Jerry Judy. I might be starting Adam Thielen in week one. They're facing the Falcons. Falcons have one really good cornerback, a little uncertain other than that. They were 22nd against wide receivers last year. Thielen might not be the worst week one play if you need someone, right?

Well, I mean, they upgraded their secondary pretty significantly, so. That's right. They did bring in Jesse Bates. And Okuda, right? Okuda, yeah. But he got hurt. Did he get hurt?

Is he the one that got... Isn't he hurt right now? And they didn't know about his availability? Not sure. But there's a reason they got Jeff Okuda, yeah, but he got hurt. Did he get hurt? Is he the one that got hurt? Isn't he hurt right now and they didn't know about his availability? Not sure. But there's a reason they got Jeff Okuda for like a seventh round pick. Yeah, he's not going to play week one, it seems. They're optimistic about an early season return for Jeff Okuda. Gotcha. Okay, Dalvin Cook returned to practice and says he'll be ready for week one.

There is optimism that Kadarius T he'll be ready for week one. There is optimism that Kadarius Toney will be ready for week one, according to James Palmer of NFL Network. Who should the first Chiefs receiver off the board be? Skymore. Still Skymore. Who should the second one be? Toney.

Toney. That's the way it's always been, though. For you, but not for a lot of people, it was T Tony first. Who was taking anybody ahead of Tony? Oh, you mean after the injury? Those have always been the top two is what we're saying. Yeah.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Well, all right, fine. I'm just asking. It's okay. You could ask things. No, no, no. I mean, well, you made it seem like I'm the only one doing that. No, no.

I'm sorry. What I meant was before the Tony injury, you were the only one that I knew that had Sky Moore ahead of Tony. But it was always 1-2. Moore and Tony, you know, Moore and Tony, 1-2. Yes, it wasn't take Richie James over Tony at this point, no.

No. Okay. Let's see. Elsewhere, the Dallas Cowboys waived running back Malik Davis. Would you draft any other Cowboys waived running back Malik Davis. Would you draft any other Cowboys running back other than Pollard? Yeah. You could take a flyer on Deuce Vaughn or Rico Dowdle. Which one?

Am I taking a Deuce or am I going Rico? I'm going Deuce first, but they're both fine in the same range as the Colts. All right. I always take the Deuce. Yeah, Eagles acquired Alberto. You think I should do that before Draftathon? Eagles acquired Alberto from Denver. Kansas City acquired defensive tackle Neil Farrell from the Raiders

for a six-round pick, and Chris Jones is still holding out. So that's going to make that matchup for the Lions, certainly in week one, a lot easier if Chris Jones isn't there. He could be out for a six-round pick, and Chris Jones is still holding out. That's going to make that matchup for the Lions, certainly in week one, a lot easier if Chris Jones isn't there. He could be out for a while. Chris Jones, if you don't know, defensive tackle for the Chiefs, just a terrific player. Whatever the over-under is, take the over. 59.

59. I don't know about that, then. The Patriots waive Bailey Zappi and Ty Montgomery. at the start of the week. All right, John, what do you think

about Wandale Robinson off the pup list? Does he matter? Yes. Mattered. Mattered Jameson Crowder. He got cut. Yeah,

I think it matters to Paris Campbell's long-term appeal. It matters to Daniel Jones getting another weapon on the field. It matters to me and a couple leagues where I was hoping to stash him with a puff. Right. Adam, you're the Giants insider.

Yeah, that's me. Give us the Giants target. Sure. Well, I'll just tell you. Week one is Waller at tight end, Slayton hodgins on the outside campbell on the inside and we will see they will get jaylen hyatt on the field um i i don't know maybe he plays how many wide receivers how many wide receivers see more targets per game than saquon barkley one or zero i would say i could really see a situation where four guys have

between 80 and 100 targets. Does that seem... I think that's almost exactly what I have projected, but that's bad news for Darren Waller, if that's the case. I don't know. If he leads the team with 100 targets, you don't think he'd be tight end five?

He's getting more than 100 targets. Okay. I hope. Hey, that's pretty good for a tight end. That's a decent amount. What is that per game? Six? Almost.

Six? Just under six. All right. Then we need a little more than that. He needs 110. All right. There were some other defensive notes. This is actually a pretty big one. Cornerback

Emmanuel Mosley is off the pup list for the Lions. Really good player for the 49ers, but coming off a torn ACL. Hopefully he can play week one for them. And Buffalo edge rusher Von Miller is going to start the season on the pup list. They did sign Leonard Floyd, which is great. They just traded Boogie Basham, but the

Bills' pass rush was worlds better with Von Miller last year. They were one of the better pass rushing teams just in terms of a pressure rate with Miller. And they were pretty, I don't know if I want to say bad, but not good at all when Miller tore his ACL. So, uh, I can't wait for that week one Monday night game jets hosting the bills. There are so many story so many storylines. And yeah, it's going to be just so interesting to see how that plays out. We'll take a break. When we come back, position preview review. Position preview review.

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Here's what ADP says right now at quarterback. Three quarterbacks in the top 24 for the first time in nine seasons. Lamar Jackson in round three and possibly Joe Burrow too. Justin Fields and Justin Herbert. This just in, in round four. And Trevor Lawrence in round five.

So that is eight quarterbacks in the first five rounds, three of them in the top 24. And then Jackson and Burrow in round three, and then Herbert and Fields in round four, and then Lawrence in round five. All right, so the big question is, is this the year to draft a quarterback early? Jamie.

In the second round and the back end of the second round, yes, that's the earliest you should take a quarterback. I would not take a quarterback in round one and in one quarterback league and even in the early portion of round two. So when you get closer to the swing, the round two, three swing, that's when you should start looking at quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, it just I agree with Jamie. I think if you look at ADP, like especially amongst those guys going in the first five rounds, Justin Fields is the only one that I'm going to draft it as ADP.

He's the one guy who's not been pushed up by, and we always see this, like every year the closer we get to all these home leagues drafting, the more we see ADP pushed up even more, and that's not that new. The difference is that we're closer on the top three guys, but none

of us are taking Burrow or Jackson in round three. I don't think any of us besides Adam in the podcast league draft arerow or Jackson in round three. I don't think any of us are taking, besides Adam in the podcast league draft, are taking Trevor Lawrence in round five. Hey, hey, 14-team league. You kept saying that, but then it was the first pick of the round. I'm pretty sure that the first pick of round five in a 14-team league is still round five in a 12-team league.

Well, I knew, obviously, I wasn't going to get Trevor Lawrence 28 picks later. So this is what I would say. And actually, I talked about the defend your team segment here. So when it was, I think it was me versus Dave a couple of days ago on a different defend your team segment. You gave Dave the edge against me because I had Watson and he had Justin Herbert. And you just said that there was such a big difference in the quarterback. And I also thought Dave had a better team than me in that particular league.

Such a difference at quarterback here. And I just feel when I have one of those top eight guys, I feel better about my team. Now, with that said, done this long enough to know that the teams that I love the most are not always the most successful, the ones I love the most on draft day.

Some of the teams that I hate, I hate this team, I really don't like it, could end up being some of my best, so I know that. But I do, guys, feel it is important to have, I really want one of those top eight guys. So I don't really think, I don't think it's a reach personally, but I understand you do. Not in that league, no.

Not in that league. I mean, the question is, and again, this is why when drafts are happening, and clearly it's reflected in the ADP, but you have to, you know, like he said, it depends on what your build is. And he was talking about Judy versus Taylor, you know. So for you, knowing that you were on the end, you weren't getting Trevor Lawrence, and that's what's going to make you feel better about your team, which I agree with.

You know, you want to take the player that's going to, you know, feel like you're going to, you know to give you the best chance to win. You didn't make a bad pick there, even though it may feel like you're just getting him at cost. How important is it to you, Jamie, to have a top eight quarterback? It's important, but I'm not going to reach for it. I mean, I did a salary cap draft yesterday, and my two quarterbacks are Tua and Kirk Cousins,

and I'm thrilled with that. So I think really where people may get in trouble this season is if you don't have somebody that you feel has upside like i believe tua has upside i believe richardson has upside i'm still okay with watson and prescott's when you get past those guys like does kirk cousins going to win me a league he certainly can but does he kind of cap out at 22 points again you know which is what he's been to the last three can but does he kind of cap out at 22 points again you know which is what he's been to the last three years or does he get to that 25 point mark you know so does gino smith you know i just have another good season and he's at 20 points per game gary goff good

season 20 points per game you know so those top eight guys and again two and richardson i think you know in in this conversation belong there but those top eight guys feel like they're going to be top eight guys if they stay healthy like you can't you can't see or hear anything coming out of jacksonville that says trevor lawrence is not going to take a huge step forward that justin fields with dj moore is going to be better that you know keep going up the ladder you know all those guys are just safe and and have immense upside now again i'm probably talking out of both sides of my mouth here so why won't you take those guys in the first round you know mah, Mahomes or Hertz or Allen? Because again, now there's eight that feel like they could be good.

Mahomes, Allen, and Hertz have 30-point potential, but I think these other guys have 25-plus point potential, and that's why you're getting them a little bit later. You should be getting them a little bit later. Well, it's also who else is on the board, right? So look at the players that went just after I took Trevor Lawrence, which I think was 57th overall. And by the way, there was no doubt.

I was three picks in front of you. I had the fourth pick. There was no doubt you're taking Joe Burrow if I pass him. Right. You took Joe Burrow four picks before I took Trevor Lawrence, and absolutely I would have taken Burrow. Who went after that? Rashad White, James Conner, Deontay Johnson, Christian Kirk,

Chris Godwin, Marquise Brown, Tyler Lockett, Javante Williams, and then Tua went like five picks after that. So maybe you could say some of them. Maybe you like some of them better than Trevor Lawrence. I doubt you like all of them better than Trevor Lawrence. So I don't want to make this about my team, but the point is— But it's also, again, where you were picking and what your team needs were. Yeah, but the point is you have to kind of evaluate quarterback compared to the other positions.

If you just don't like the running backs there, then, hey, if you've got this guy that you think could be great, whether it's a quarterback, whether it's a tight end, go for it. Alright, so Heath, what do you do if you don't get a top eight quarterback? What I did in the podcast league, I draft

Anthony Richardson and one of Cousins, Gino, Daniel Jones, one of those guys to go with him. Alright, what I did in the podcast league, I drafted Anthony Richardson and, uh, and, uh, one of cousins, Gino, Daniel Jones, one of those guys to go with him. All right. What's the, who do you think Heath has the best value based on average draft position? Well, that is actually Anthony Richardson because he is going in round 10 and I've, I've got him ranked in round eight. And I think one in that draft, I actually reached around seven. So yeah, it's, it's, um, it's Richardson because it's so easy to put a floor QB with him. And then you're looking at

basically having Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence, in my opinion, because you've got their floor and you've got their upside. You might even have more upside and not spending as much draft capital. Jamie, who's the best value in ADP? I agree with Heath. It's not really close, you know, based on where you're getting Richardson for what the upside can be. But, you know, I mean, we've, we've seen this now for the last several weeks and really since the NFL draft, like we're higher on Anthony Richardson. So, you know, if you're, if you're an anti Richardson guy, and I know Adam, you sort of lean that way. I don't think you're fully that way, but you lean that way, that you're going to avoid him,

which is why he's being drafted where he's drafted. Plus, you know, it's, I think, again, once you get past those eight guys, it's upside versus floor, you know, ceiling versus floor. Like, two is ceiling is fantastic, but you have the health concerns. Richardson's ceiling is fantastic, but you have the experience and the, you know, concerns about and as a passer but you know rogers is going to be good cousins going to be good gino's going to be good you know these these are guys going in a similar range and it's just a matter of do they have those same ability to get

to that upside and i don't think they do okay i think if you're looking just our adp i mean geno smith is going he's like qb 16 or something to a 17 qb 13 i think yeah some really good values like cousins aaron rogers are going a little earlier don't say all the potential sleeper names oh i'm sorry one sleeper one breakout one bus teeth one sleeper one breakout one bus my sleeper, one breakout, one bust. Heath, one sleeper, one breakout, one bust. My sleeper is Gino Smith. That's why I said that. My breakout's Justin Fields. My bust is Deshaun Watson. Jamie, sleeper, breakout, bust. I'll go a little deeper in sleeper. Not that I don't agree with Heath. I think that's amazing, the value for Gino. But Kenny Pickett, his lifts look fantastic. And you can get him for free on draft day uh i'm still going to put richardson in the breakout category so i'm going to put him as a breakout and who'd you say was a

busty um i said to sean watson yeah i'm gonna go back to what i've kept saying for the last several weeks as the adp doesn't change is patrick mahomes i just do not want to draft him in the first round and you'd be comfortable drafting mahomes when i took him last night first draft i've actually taken the homes i had the first overall pick. He was there at 24 and 25, and I took him. You should have taken him first overall. Just to see if you liked it. Running backs. By the way,

I haven't said this. I've got to compliment Jamie. I love your new setup. Your new background. It's pretty similar to the last one. It's better. I love the footballs with the initials. I know what those are, right? I know what those are, yeah.

My kids. Those are your kids' initials. It's terrific. You've got it going on back there. Thank you. Running back. What does ADP say? This is maybe the biggest storyline of fantasy drafts.

ADP says there are maybe eight running backs going in the first two rounds. There's usually maybe double that. 14 to 15 or something like that. It's really crazy. There might be none going in the back half of the second round unless Josh Jacobs ends up there. But ADP has Josh Jacobs kind of earlier than that, actually. Taylor is not going to be a second round pick at this point, obviously. So he's there in ADP. But it's really crazy how running backs are falling to the third round and beyond now. So with that said, Heath, is this the year to take advantage

of the mid-round running backs? And if so, which ones do you like? Well, define mid-round. Are you talking round three and later? I would say at the earliest, mid-round would be round four to me, maybe round five, maybe round four to seven, four to eight range. Well, I'll just go ahead and answer the question I know you're going to ask next, because my favorite value is one of those mid-range running backs, and it's Miles Sanders. At the end of round five is RB22. I think Alexander Madison's going in that same range. I like him quite a bit. So yes, to answer your first question,

I do think the mid-round running back conversation has changed because of what you said, there's only eight running backs going in the first two rounds. So there are better running backs falling into the mid-rounds. It is a great time to do that. At the same time, I don't have any problem

if you were in one of those leagues like you draft Christian McCaffrey second or third overall. And one of these guys who would normally be a borderline first round pick like Derrick Henry or Josh Jacobs is there at the end of round two.

I'm okay starting running back running back as well. Jamie, what are your thoughts? Well, I think if, you know, based on what he said, you know, it's a little easier to do it that way because you know you're going to get one of or have a chance at one of Devontae Smith, T. Higgins, Chris Olave, and I'll put Calvin Ridley in that group too. So one of those guys, and that makes it a little bit more comforting knowing that you're getting still a borderline top 10 guy, certainly a top 12 guy, and two of those running backs. So it's easier to do it when you're doing it in the beginning of the first round. If you're at the back end of the

first round and you say, and let's say you go Pollard and Jacobs or Pollard and Chubb or one of those combinations, and then you come back to the end of round three, and now you're looking at, and not that these are bad players, it's just, you might be reaching a little bit, but you know, Debo Samuel and Christian Watson and DJ Moore and you know guys that are a little bit safer in the fourth round and that's your number one receiver it's not the most comforting thing especially in PPR but you are getting a significant edge at at running back but I agree with Heath I think those running backs and you know rounds four through six you know obviously I love JK Dobbins that's where he goes um you're looking at you know still guys like

and I'm going a little bit further here but like Rashad White James Cook you know still David Montgomery because he's going to you know, still David Montgomery because he's going to, you know, have an opportunity to play in a very good offense. Cam Akers, you know, again, guys are going to get a lot of work. This is where Javante Williams will go, in my opinion. This is where Brees Hall should go. You know, so Alvin Kamara, you know, it's a really good group. Jonathan Taylor.

I mean, for me, Taylor's behind it. But yeah, you know, if you want to take a chance on somebody that if he does it, clearly it's going to be a league-winning type of player. So, you know, these guys are very intriguing. The question I think that a lot of people have to ask themselves is when you are at the back end of round two and you did take a wide receiver. So you took Jefferson or Chase or maybe, you know, it was even a little bit, you know, closer to the middle of the first round. And it's Tyree Kill or, you know, Cooper Cup. Do you reach for a running back in round two?

Let's just say it's not jacobs or henry those guys go and those receivers get pushed down so now you're staring at amara st brown or garrett wilson or you know davante adams and you know that the running back pool is going to drive quickly do you reach for a mixin or gibbs or stevenson or etn i would still say no but i think that's something that people might start to panic about a little bit knowing that, okay, it's going to get pretty ugly pretty soon. If you don't love that Sanders Dobbins, Connor, you know, group. Um, yeah, but I would say that based on what we said about the mid round running backs, that you should not reach for a running back. If you feel like the wide receiver is definitively better. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I, I wouldn't, but you know, somebody

listening to this may say, Oh my God, I don't want to trust 27, 28 year old'm saying I I wouldn't but you know somebody listening to this may say oh my god I don't want to trust 27 28 year old James Connor I don't really love Miles Sanders I don't you know Jamie's crazy about Dobbins that's nuts you know so why would I want to trust those guys when I can get who everybody for the majority of the offseason was saying Ramondre Stephenson breakout or Joe Mixon top seven every year you know why not take those guys when I when they're available to me as opposed to do I wait to see if they follow me in round three, which in some cases they may not. We all pretty much like the hero RB strategy, right?

One running back in, say, the first two rounds. Not to say that we're... I'm not saying that it's our favorite and that's the only thing we do, but if you go that route, we like hero RB builds typically, right? Yeah, I mean, I'll go back to the draft I did last night. I went Jefferson, Mahomesomes and olave with my first three picks and then it came back to me at the four or five turn guess which running back i took um along with christian watson that would be

dobbins right dobbins you know so i don't i don't love dobbins as my number one running back but i love the build you know so i have three of my top 18 wide receivers including the number one overall player i have the number one quarterback and now my my approach is okay now i'm just throwing a lot of capital at the running back position so it's not the greatest group but there's a lot of upsides so kamara was my second running back but then i have jalen warren who i like i have zach charbonnet i have um tank bigsby. I don't know. It's a bunch of – That's not Hero RB though, right? I mean that's –

No. It's more of like a modified Hero Zero RB. So it's not the best place to live. But again, it's what's the build. The build in a PPR league for me was it's a two-receiver flex league. I love my receivers. I love my quarterback. I love one of my running backs, and I'll just

sort of piecemeal the rest of it together. But Hero RB would be a running back in the first or second round, typically, and then... I think at this point, you could say first three rounds. Well, I guess so, right? Because... Well, I wouldn't say so, necessarily. We should talk about that, because... Right, like, the theory

is you could say Hero RB is the first three rounds this year, because in the third round, you can get the could say Hero RB is the first three rounds this year because in the third round, you can get the 10th running back off the board, which is typically a second-round pick. However, maybe they're just not as good this year. So maybe there's a reason they're third-round picks and not second-round picks.

So I don't know. How do you see that? What's Hero RB? I wanted to get Heath in there. Heath, what's Hero RB? No, well, Heath, here, let's play it out. Heath, you like Tyree Kill? You go Tyree Kill round one you go uh garrett wilson round two and then round three you're taking

romandre stevenson i think still top 12 guy for you so that's your first three picks then you come back in round four and it's another wide receiver debo samuels still sitting there you know you take debo round five you come back and t Hawkinson fell. Hawkinson is now your tight end. Do you like that build? I think it's okay. I think I probably avoid this more than usual just because I do like Sanders and Madison so much more than where they're going. If I get to round five and Hawkinson and Sanders there, I'm taking Sanders over. I don't know if it's really worth it

to get into what is the definition of if it's hero RB or not. But I think the idea is in the first three rounds, you can still get a workhorse 300 plus touch running back. At least that's what we're projecting. And anchor that guy

in your running back spot and then just find the other one. Okay. Look, if you could look at ADP from rounds four through eight, you should be able to find a bunch of running backs you like. You've heard Miles Sanders and Alexander Madison from Heath. You've heard J.K. Dobbins and J.K. Dobbins from James Cook and all these other guys. I mean, there are so many that we like in this range.

But when we did the running back preview, we spoke a lot about James Conner being part of the strategy. Now, with Colt McCoy getting cut and Kyler starting on pup, do we still feel that way about Conner? Yeah. Yes and no. I don't want to target James Conner, but I'm not afraid to settle for him here. Okay. All right. So what's the best value at running back, Heath? I already told you. It's Miles Sanders at pick 57.

Jamie, what's the best value at running back? The best value at running back, for me, it's Jalen Warren. Okay. And not in the podcast league draft because that was another one that I reached for according to Heath. What are you doing that for? Well, that's what you said I reached for.

I mean, you took him like 40 spots ahead of his ADP. His ADP is low. I mean, his ADP is influenced by early drafts. He's obviously going to... Let me see what his ADP is before I...

And I do think like we've... I've got him ranked around 9-10 range. I think Dave and Jamie and I have all settled on we're fine with taking him in round 9, but that's still right around pick 100. And I took him... I would assume at pick 85.

Yeah. I hope. I'm probably a little closer to that, though, than pick 100. 85th, I took him because, again, when you draft first and you've got to wait two full rounds, for me, 28 picks, you're not getting them, so get your guy. All right, let's take a break here. Oh, no, wait, sorry.

One sleeper, one breakout, one bust. Jamie, sleeper, breakout, bust, or running back? Let's go Roshan Johnson as the sleeper. The breakout will be J.K. Dobbins, and the bust will be Brees Hall. I've got Zach Charbonnet, Alexander Madison, and Najee Harris. Okay, we will be right back with wide receivers and tight ends on Fantasy Football today. Position preview review, updating what we said

three-ish weeks ago. Here's what ADP says about wide receivers. A wide receiver is the number one overall player in ADP. That's obviously Justin Jefferson. That's the first time since 2016. And about 11 to 12 wide receivers could go in the first round. The first two rounds. Can't go in the first round.

About 11 to 12 in the first two rounds. Jalen Waddell might fall to the third round in CBS ADP. But I think very important, about 24 wide receivers are off the board by the 60th pick. And guys like Chris Godwin, Drake London, Tyler Lockett,

Brandon Ayuk, Christian Kirk, now Jerry Judy, the Steelers wide receivers, they're actually all available in most leagues after the fifth round. So round six or later, it's pretty good.

It's pretty good. It's weird to feel so optimistic about both running back and wide receiver in the middle rounds. I'd be like, am I just going to be completely wrong about this? But to me, it feels like there are a lot of good players.

Well, but there are not a lot of tight ends that we want to draft. We like the great or late strategy. There's not a lot of tight ends that we want to draft. We like the great or late strategy. There's not a lot of tight ends that we want to draft in that range. There's not, for me, a lot of quarterbacks that I generally end up drafting in that range. And so it should be a lot of... Those are the only two positions left.

We're not taking defenses and kickers there. And I do think that you mentioned some of them, but there's just... Just like running back, it's not going to be the same guys for all of us because if it was, they wouldn't be outside the top 24 wide receivers. But there is somebody,

and there's probably multiple somebodies, that we all like a lot more than where they're being drafted that we can find in that wide receiver 24 to 36 range. My big question about this position, Jamie, is how important is it to draft a wide receiver in the first two rounds? I think it's very important in PPR.

When you're looking at what these guys have the potential to do and just the type of players that we're talking about here. I mean, think about these young receivers, third-year, second-year type of guys, fourth-year type of guys. CeeDee Lamb has established himself already.

Amaro St. Brown has established himself already should get better. Even in his third season, Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave, which are basically becoming round two picks, um, in terms of a lobby pushing himself there. Um, Jalen waddle third year, you know, I mean, these guys are great. So once you get past, I think the five guys that are going to go in the first round, um, with digs being the fifth after cup and Hill that that group in round two and you know you still put devonta adams there as much as i'm down on him i think he still belongs there you know a guy that can get you close to 15 plus ppr points because i don't think he gets 19 which is why he's downgraded but um to get 15 points per game or more it's hard to overlook that because

again we're seeing these running backs and the questions. They're safer and again, very similar, if not more, upside. Heath, do you feel it's very important to get a wide receiver in the first two rounds? It's more important in full PPR than it is in half PPR for sure. Like I said, if I'm picking early, I don't necessarily feel like I have to do it because there are three or four good wide receivers there in round three that I'm fine with as my number one if I've got a couple of studs or a QB and a stud running back at the start okay if you go running back running back you got to feel pretty comfortable especially if you do it at the back end of round one with a Debo Samuel a Christian

Watson a some people will still put DK Metcalf there as maybe your number one receiver. How important is it to have at least one second-year receiver, not including Garrett Wilson, maybe not even including Chris Olave? You don't really have a ton of control over that, maybe. But starting with Christian Watson, Jahan Dotson, George Pickens,

Traylon Burks, am I forgetting someone? Drake London. Drake London, thank you. With those five guys, how important is it for you to have at least one of them? Or, okay, at least one of them if you didn't get Wilson or Olave? I wouldn't go out of my way to say

I have to have a second-year wide receiver, but it's relatively easy, especially if, you know, you're like us where we like to Han Dotson. Um, I know like Dave is, is, is very excited about George because I'm not far behind in my enthusiasm for him, but I don't know if, if we have them ranked in the same spot, um, that you can take them maybe a little bit earlier, you know? So if you are sort of, okay, I want to have that type of player, you know,

you can, you can be aggressive with it. And Heath alluded to this i think on the on the show um that we did on tuesday on sports network how where johan dotson was going versus where he's being drafted now in our drafts you know so like you you can be you can be aggressive with it you know so you can say okay if i want to have maybe the best receiver for the for the commanders or the um you know the ability to get somebody like uh like pickens who you know i know dave says is the best receiver for the for the commanders or the um you know the ability to get somebody like uh like pickens who you know i know dave says is the best receiver for the steelers you know you can just okay i'm gonna not even look at adp and i'm just gonna take them because that's the guy i want but the guys that are going later if you're just talking second

year receivers that still have i think upside just a little bit capped sky more you know he's chance to be the best chiefs receiver and trailing berks you know who could i think really surprise a lot of people especially now that he's healthy again heath at what point do you feel like we run out of starting wide receivers i draft this guy all right i'd really like to put him on my bench i don't want to be a starting receiver for me well how many wide receivers are you allowed to start like if you're if in a two wide receiver league it's actually there's probably like 30 that i'm okay with and then if you're talking about guys as your number three wide receiver then it's a

little bit messed up because i have some guys like jsn who and jerry Jerry Judy who I don't want to start, ranked higher than guys like Cortland Sutton who I'd be okay starting week one, with what we know right now. But it's somewhere around 37 in terms of guys I'm okay starting in a three-wide receiver league, and it's about 30 guys I'm okay starting in a two-wide receiver league. But they're also not going to be drafted

in the same order that I would prefer to take them. So that's not necessarily indicative either. I'm looking at guys that are going around pick 100. And I'm wondering if you feel like, okay, in a pinch, if we really punted at wide receiver, we loaded up everywhere else. Sure, they can be starters

for me, but I'd rather Brandon Cooks, Odell Beckham, Michael Thomas, Juju Smith-Schuster be bench receivers for me and just see what's the bi-week replacements. The only one I disagree with there is Michael Thomas. If I draft him, I'm starting him

and just starting him until he's not playing. Jamie, your thoughts? What about like JSN and Jordan Addison? JSN's different, he's injured. What about Marquise Brown at this point, Jordan Addison? Actually, JSN practiced yesterday, so I don't know how injured he is. Okay.

Look, I think whenever you're drafting these unproven guys, and I know it's later than the range you're talking about, but I'll throw Romeo Dobbs, Nico Collins, those types of players into this conversation also that you should be doing it with the idea of hopefully by week three or week four, wow, I got something here, you know, and, and, and like he said, you know, there's, there's a difference between who's going to be in my lineup early in the season versus where I'm drafting it because like you can draft you just miss Schuster as your third receiver and be fine with it,

but wait on Jackson Smith and the jig, but you should be taking Smith and the jig, but first, you know, so that type of approach, you know, so there, there are guys that have safer floors,

but the ceiling will, we'll find out, but usually the guys with the ceiling, you should be drafting first. What about a hero wide receiver build where we take Tyreek Hill or whatever in round one, or maybe we take Amandra St. Brown early in round two,

and we skip the position for a while, and then let's say we go to round six. And in round six, we take Chris Godwin, and then in round seven, we take Brandon Ayuk. Or we have some combination of Christian Kirk, Chris Godwin, then in round seven we take Brandon Ayuk or we have some combination of Christian Kirk Chris Godwin Brandon Ayuk Jerry Judy and then you can take Sutton a little bit later if you want

Tyler Lockett's in that range um Deontay Johnson and George Pickens Michael Pittman Marquise Brown are there enough names there where if I get two of those and I have to start all of them if I get two of those you know my hero wide receiver build is okay Heath yep perfectly fine let me let me ask you this because this is a auction draft that we did yesterday but it's a similar approach so I'll I'll I'll change the quarterback just because let's just say that was that was the second round pick so let's say it's half PPR Let's say I started with Nick Chubb, and I took Josh Allen in round two. And so the lineup is Allen, Chubb, Pierce, Calvin Ridley, Deontay Johnson, Evan Ingram,

and the two flexes, let's say, are Chris Godwin and Tyler Lockett. It's not my favorite. I think Evan Ingram was too expensive. I think Evan Ingram was too expensive. Chris Godwin and Tyler Lockett. It's not my favorite. I think Evan Ingram was too expensive. I think Evan Ingram was too expensive. Yeah, I had $11 left and no tight end, so Evan Ingram went for $11.

Well, listen, that's a better PPR lineup. Half PPR, it's not ideal. Well, I didn't tell you the whole roster, but I have but I was just trying to like, I have Rashad white. I have cam makers. I have, um, you know, other,

other Brian Robinson. I have a lot of running back capital, but, um, the quarterback is not the quarterback, but I'm, I'm just trying to give it from a draft perspective because you wouldn't draft the team this way.

But Calvin Ridley being that, that I know you're going a little bit higher from a hero, RB hero, wide receiver standpoint. So you're taking a guy in the first two rounds, but I think, you know, when you're talking top 15 wide receivers, that's the type of approach I think you look at.

So you go running back, receiver, running back, running back, quarterback, tight end, that type of build. It's a similar type of approach. I did this in one of our recent drafts, and now I can't remember which one it was. So sorry, that would have been. Or one we're playing out. No, it was a real one, but I can't find it.

Great, well, that helps. Who's the best value at wide receiver, Heath? I'm going to say Jahan Dotson, just because when I tweeted out the thing that Jamie referenced that I said on CBS Sports Network, and I immediately got a bunch of responses. I just got him at 80 last night. I just got him at 85 last night. You look him at 85 last night you look at our adp he's still at 86 so it like we are comfortable taking

him in round five he's gone in round five and two of our drafts he shows an adp in the round seven round eight range i wouldn't feel comfortable even if i was in a league without any analysts letting him fall past round six at this point, but I still think that's a really good value. Okay. Looking at NFC in the last week, NFC ADP, John Dotson is wide receiver 33. He's going after Pickens after Lockett and just before Pittman and Evans. I'm in a father son league set up by Scott fish. And, um, I've been trying not to influence my son's picks, and I was really angry at him last night because he took George Pickens over Jahan Dotson. And you know exactly why it was,

because he's not paying attention to a lot of stuff. He sees highlight reel catches on TikTok or Twitter or wherever, and that's the guy he wants to draft. I think, you know, I was going to say, he was probably looking at Dave's rankings, because before McLaurin got hurt, I know Dave had Pickens over Dotson. Jamie, who's the best value at wide receiver? I keep going back to Zay Flowers, you know, just with the potential of being the number one guy and what I'm expecting to be a very explosive

passing game, you know, or at least the more explosive passing game than we've seen for the Ravens in a long time. and certainly in the Lamar Jackson era. So, yeah, to get him, I mean, you could make the same case for Rashad Bateman. He may be the number one guy there. So those two guys would go relatively late. Flowers not as late as Bateman goes, but they're just great values. All right, sleeper breakout bust, Heath. Yes, I will go with Gabe Davis's pick 101 right now in CBS ADP.

So he's my sleeper. Garrett Wilson, we should not just gloss over him too much. We talked about him for four months, but then the last month, like everybody knows, he could be a top five wide receiver this year. And then George Pickens is my bust. He is going higher than John Dotson in CBS ADP, and I think he's one of the biggest risers in the last week as well. Jamie, sleeper breakout bust? I will go with sleeper of, let's say, Nico Collins still.

Breakout will be Christian Watson, and bust will be Debo Samuel. Okay, again, Debo back-to-back bust seasons. This is what ADP says about tight end. Travis Kelsey in round one, Mark Andrews in round three. And then this is another reason why running backs and wide receivers look so good based on average draft position in the rounds, five, six, seven, uh, one, there are, there are not a lot of quarterbacks going there as he's already mentioned, but to George Kittle, TJ Hawkinson, Darren Waller, they're going around four or five and ADP. Dallas Goddard and Kyle

Pitts are in early round six, maybe sneaking into round five. So that's your top seven. Kelsey in round one, Mark Andrews in round three, Hawkinson, Kittle, Waller in round four or five, Goddard and Kyle Pitts in early round six, maybe even late round five. So the big question, Heath, if we say great

or late, which we've talked about a lot, why should I even bother taking a tight end in round five or six? I don't, I think that's an excellent question. I think a lot of times we don't. And I think if you had avoided avoided round five or six tight ends over the last 10 years, you would mostly be happy with the decisions that you have made.

Same question to you, Jamie. Why should I even bother taking a tight end around five or six, or I guess even four at this point, because that's where Kittle, Hawkinson, and Waller are going in a lot of leagues. There's only really three guys that I look for in this range at this point. You know, Goddard, I kind of wait to see if he falls into round seven.

Same thing with Kittle. But man, if Kyle Pitts hits, you're going to be so upset that you passed on that type of player and what he could be. And, you know, I think Waller's the best of this bunch. So he's somebody best of this bunch. So, uh, he's somebody that I'll take. And then I, I settle for Hawkinson.

And when I say that, I just means he falls to a good spot. So that's typically somewhere in the round five, round six range, because people see the little red tag next to him on our site. But Jamie, when, when would you take Waller?

I would take Waller around five. I wouldn't reach before around five. Okay. All right, go on. You want to say like, well, around five Hawkinson, round five. Okay. All right. Go on. You want to... I'm saying like Waller round five, Hawkinson round five,

Pitts round six. What about... Right, we're higher on Pitts and lower on Kittle than ADP. What about after that? All right. I missed on the top seven. Jamie, what do I do?

I typically look for the best value. So Fryermuth is my next ranked tight end. He's my eighth ranked tight end. So if I find him at a good enough spot, which is typically closer to round 10, then I'll pull the trigger there. or the best value so fryer muth is my next ranked tight end he's my eighth ranked tight end so if i find him at a good enough spot which is typically closer to round 10 then i'll pull the trigger there um same thing with the joku in a similar range um i typically avoid evan ringer which is why i was so frustrated i had to spend so much of my remaining salary cap budget on him um and then i'd look for kinkade and then if i get to these point with these tight ends i'm starting to try

and get to you know so i i've said this a lot recently that if you don't love your tight end, but you love your quarterback, don't take two quarterbacks, take two tight ends. If you don't love your tight end, if you love your tight end, don't love your quarterback, take two of those. It's very difficult in a five or six man bench to carry two quarterbacks and two tight ends. Cause you're just leaving yourself with little depth that more important spots. So, um, when you also get to the end of the draft, you know, you kind of see, you kind of see, okay, I'm a Jake Ferguson guy. So if I know he's sitting there, I'm okay with, let me get past week one, and if he has a good game,

I'll try and overspend on him, or I'll just make a move prior to week one. That type of tight end is usually available. Luke Musgrave is typically going to be available on waivers. So you don't have to necessarily reach for a second tight end knowing that you can get one of those two guys. Heath, your thoughts on, actually, let's not gloss over Kelsey and Andrews. When do you take them?

Kelsey, I think you could take him as early as pick five, depending on the format. I like him right around pick six, seven, eight range. Andrews is definitely a round three pick. He's moved up a couple spots in the last week because of other guys falling behind him. And I think you could take him as early as soon as that Devante Smith, T. Higgins,

maybe Calvin Ridley if he's in that group for you. As soon as those guys are gone, I'm taking Mark Andrews. I would take him before any of the round three running backs. Okay. So who do you guys like, Friermuth, Ingram, or Njoku? and I meant to bid two and Jamie immediately bid two. And then I had to spend three on Muth because I didn't want to miss out on him. And so I was so angry. I had to spend $3 on Pat Fryermuth and a hundred dollar budget auction, but I ended up feeling okay about it at the end. It's better than the Ingram value. But, but I, I like it is, and maybe we'll be wrong, but I, I don't have Ingram particularly

close to the other two. I strongly prefer both Fryriermuth and Njoku to Ingram. So you've come down on Njoku a little bit? I might be. Maybe if I have, it hasn't been a conscious choice. It's been because other guys have gotten moved, but he's right behind Friermuth, I think. And you had those guys over Waller? Because I think you had Njoku over Waller at one point.

I had moved Waller up a little bit at the tight end eight, just to not be too far. I mean, I'm never getting him there anyway. But I was moved a little bit by the Giants throwing it to him 400 times in training camp. And on one drive in the preseason. All right. So Kincaid. Jamie, do you take Kincaid ahead of any of that group of Friar Ruth Njoku Ingram? I have not yet. He's right behind Ingram for me. So Ingram is tight end 10, and Kincaid is tight end 11. So I'm very tempted.

But again, you've got to worry about the history of rookie tight ends you know it's just we can get as excited as we want to about Kincaid and Laporta and there's so much upside for both those guys you know and even Musgrave and you know hopefully at some point you know Mayer as well for the for the Raiders but I just think like there's got to be a little bit of risk you know involved so I feel like I'm gonna be you asked us the other day who do you feel like gonna be wrong on and Ingram feels like a guy going to be... You asked us the other day, who do you feel like you're going to be wrong on? Ingram feels like a guy I might be wrong on just because everything here at Jacksonville

is like, this offense, the schedule's amazing. The offense looks like it's going to be fantastic. There was somebody who told me this offseason, don't be surprised if they average a touchdown better per game, scoring-wise. That's not out of the realm of possibility

because he, according to all reports, Trevor Lawrence, it's just natural right now. He was thinking too much at the beginning of the season. He's just step back, throw, it's there. Ball's on the money. Right there. Okay. And then let's do best value. Heath, best value at tight end? I didn't want to have the same answer as my sleeper,

so I said Kyle Pitts at now pick 71, the end of round six. Hey, okay. Jamie? Jawan Johnson for me. He's the top 12 tight end. I think this is going to be a big-time player for the Saints. One sleeper, one breakout, one bust.

Heath? Tyler Higbee at 139 and my favorite guy to draft if you're drafting one of those rookies put them with Higby he gets Seattle in week one Pat Fryermuth is the breakout and I've got George Kittle as the bust and

Jamie I will go Laporta as the sleeper Kincaid as the breakout and the bust is I agree with Heath George Kittle Tyler Higby against Seattle. Wow. They were so bad against tight ends last year. So let's see what he did.

Just curious. Nothing. He didn't get to play them with Matthew Stafford, I don't think. Yeah, you're right. Two for 14 on five targets and four for 33 on seven targets. That was in week 18. All right. Wow, did you see this?

No, what? Stephen Holder of ESPN, who used to cover the Colts. The mystery team that had discussions about Jonathan Taylor was? The Vikings. The Chiefs. The Packers. Wow. Wow is right.

Huh, that's interesting. Okay. Well, maybe it was a fantasy football discussion you'll never know we are out we will talk to you later today 4 p.m eastern for the draft-a-thon we'll see you there youtube.com