Fantasy Football Today - Draft Expert Ryan Wilson's Favorite Prospects! (04/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

Enter FFT's Draft Contest Here: https://tinyurl.com/fft2025draft We bring on our Senior NFL Draft Expert Ryan Wilson to dish on the prospects you need to know about! Which team will draft Shedeur Sanders (4:00)? How does Ryan feel about Cam Ward (10:00) and Travis Hunter (12:00)? And what is his outlook for Sanders (17:40)? ... Ryan gives his Top 5 quarterbacks (19:50), but we spend a lot more time on the running backs (22:00) including Omarion Hampton, the Ohio State guys, Cam Skattebo, Bhayshul Tuten, Brashard Smith and more ... Ryan's top wide receivers (39:00) with scouting reports on Matthew Golden, Luther Burden and several others. Plus, find out why Ryan has Tetairoa McMillan as his WR1. And then we talk about the tight ends (54:30) and a little bit about the offensive linemen (1:06:30) ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports It's time to dominate your fantasy league Here's some combination of Adam Dave Jamie and he And about draft week here we go or just a few days away. Welcome to the show. It is fantasy football today, Monday, April 21st. Hope everybody had a very happy Easter, very happy holiday. And if your kids were on spring break, hopefully they didn't drive you crazy in the house all day. And we've got a special guest to talk about mock drafts

and rankings and all that. It is CBS Sports Senior NFL Draft Analyst, host of the With the first pick podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, Wilson Ryan's joining the show today. Wilson, welcome. Hey, Adam, thank you. Good to see you guys. Jamie and Dave, of course. I'll just say this quickly.

My kids are on spring break here up in New York as well. My 13-year-old came down with a curious cough yesterday around 6 p.m. I said, you're going to school. So just go ahead and wrap that up. But anyway, yeah, I'm happy to be here talking to you guys about the NFL Draft. That is Ryan Wilson, of course. Follow him at RyanWilsonCBS.

He's got so many mock drafts. How many more are you publishing between now and Thursday? So Monday as we do this, one just came out this morning. What I would do if I were stealing the Pete Prisco, if I were the GM for all 32 teams, and then Thursday morning, the day of the draft, the final mock draft will come out where I've overthought everything and trying to get every pick right. And usually it's one of the worst ones, if we're being honest.

Jamie and Dave are here as well. Jamie and Dave, I ordered an Easter cake because we hosted an Easter thing yesterday. And when I submitted the online form, I asked them to put Hoppy Easter on the cake in writing. And they must have thought I was some idiot who had a typo and they wrote Happy Easter. Should I have asked for a refund? You think? Should you have or did you? Yeah, both.

You should have and you definitely did. No, I did not. I could have just altered the shape of a lamb. No, I did not. I probably could have just altered the A and B. Was it in the shape of a lamb? Oh. No, like I'm serious. I learned, like, you know, I'm Jewish. I don't know all this stuff, but like I learned that on Easter it's traditional to serve a cake

in the shape of a lamb. No, it was the shape of a circle. If the lambs are circle shapes, then yes, it was a lamb. Hey, not to get too far down this road, Adam, are you Catholic? No, my wife is. My wife is too, I'm not Catholic either. I don't, Dave is an indication of how good of a,

a Gentile I am. I don't even know when Easter is because it changes every year. Like my wife just tells me like two days before and I just tell her I'm supposed to go. Same thing with me and the Jewish holidays. I don't have a clue. One day I show up and the Easter pie was not so

all over my house. I thought Ryan was just baking a cake. I mean, he's good with those. There it is. There it is. That's a blast from the past if you've only been watching the show for 15 minutes of the Wilson-Ryans.

Yeah, there you go. All right, so Ryan, you had previous mock drafts with Chaudhur Sanders going second. In this, what I would do, you have the Browns taking Travis Hunter, and you have Sanders going to the Steelers at 21? Yes. So where do you think Sanders actually ends up? I think the real landing spot is going to start that

conversation at nine with the New Orleans Saints. But the issue with New Orleans is I've heard they like Chador, but they're not red hot on Chador, like the Titans will be on on Cam Ward. The other issue is Trevor Penning, the offensive tackle has not been very good. Their former first round pick Ryan Ramchak just retired. So they could very easily focus on offensive line there at number nine. And then if Chidor gets past number nine, it sort of feels like an Aaron Rodgers situation back in the day in 2005. Between 10 and 20, there's not a team that desperately needs a quarterback or even sort of needs

a quarterback really. So unless someone trades up and leapfrogs the Steelers and the Browns could potentially do that from the top of the second round or maybe the Giants. I think Chidor falls to 21 and it feels like the Steelers will take them there and it as a Steelers fan I feel much better about Chidor at 21 than I did about Kenny Pickett at 20 back in the 2022 draft. Like I was never a big Kenny Pickett guy. Part of me and our buddy Brian McFadden at the time we were at the draft together we both thought that Malik Willis might be the guy for the Steelers there. So either way, the Steelers have moved on from Kenny Pickett. They don't have a quarterback to speak up here. We'll see what happens to Aaron Rodgers, even if Aaron Rodgers signs, it feels like 21 is

perhaps the farthest Shidou will fall. And I say that with the understanding that our buddy Jonathan Jones released his one and only mock draft hours ago. And he's an insider. So he's not a mock trap guy. But a year ago, he was the only one on planet earth, I believe, who had Michael Pennec-Sherry going to the Falcons. He actually were falling out of the first round altogether. So that's the only thing that gives me pause. Wow. Okay. How many quarterbacks did he have in his mock? How many do you have in your mock? He had one Dave, and I have two. I think Jackson Dart, and I don't mean this disrespectfully,

I think he's a souped up version of Kenny Pickett. And by that I mean a second round pick. Teams love that I've talked to, they're really high on Tyler Shuck, like top 50, the Louisville quarterback. I've never seen it. He's going to be, he's literally going to be 26, I think, when the fall rolls around. He's played for three different schools. He's had injury history. He's big. He's got a big arm. He's pretty athletic.

But I don't see him as a top 50 guy. But look, man, I've been wrong before. So those four quarterbacks seem to be in the mix. And then the Jalen Milrow conversation probably in round two, which team drafts them and how are they going to best use them? All right. Sorry. Let me, I just got one more question for Ryan.

I'm going to let Dave and Jamie steer things in whatever direction they want to go. And I just want to preview what's coming up today. So we I'm going to ask him for his top five quarterbacks, top five running backs, wide receivers, tight ends. I want to learn a little bit more about the offensive line. And we haven't talked about that on fantasy football today. I want to know who he's higher on than consensus. And of course, this is a fantasy football show.

We want to know who's going to make an impact in year one or down the line. So we'll get all of that. I also want to tell people about our NFL draft contest. If you want a spot in the podcast league, you can submit your predictions for the top 10 picks. It doesn't matter the team, you just have to tell us the players in order.

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little bit, wait until Wednesday, wait until Thursday, but get those in. Again, it's tinyurl.com slash FFT 2025 draft. Most correct answers is in the podcast league. We do have a very funny tiebreaker question. Thomas Schaefer did a great job with this. Thank you, Thomas, for putting this together. And he's gonna take his time to sort through all the answers and make sure we have everything right. And someone's gonna win.

And the link is gonna be in the audio description and the YouTube description. Okay, sorry. Next question for me, Ryan. Is there any doubt that Tennessee takes Cam Ward? I know he's probably gonna go number one. Is there any chance we see a trade, do you think? Like, what are the chances? And, you know, that's the only question. And yeah, you know what? Tell me how good you think Cam Ward is. Give me an idea of Cam Ward, where he's going, and what you think of him. Because you said Cam Ward had the best pro day

that you've ever been to, which I thought was really cool. So go ahead. Yeah, Pete Prisco made fun of me for that one. I love everyone, as Jamie has also made fun of me for that as well. The other thing Jamie- He literally just texted me that, by the way. I said, Ryan's on with us right now.

He goes, happiest draft guy in the world. He loves everyone. One of the things Jamie used to do to me, uh, in person when we would be in the combine together, I had this, this, uh, this tech where I would refer to every player we were talking to on set by their full name. So, so Joe Burrow, tell me why Joe Burrow is so good at being Joe Pro types though, and Jamie, of course, made me self-conscious about it. So I couldn't even get through a question without Jamie smirking.

And, uh, that's not the best one I ever did to you though. Oh yeah. I'm sure this is the annual story. So I'll tell this every year because I'm old. I forget stories. So we're sitting on set with, uh, that year, Kenneth Walker, the third. And, and, um, what's his name? Breeze hall.

Yeah. Breeze hall. Thank you. We're running backs one and two, and they were very close for me. And Breeze hall was sitting on set with us and me and Jamie, maybe me and then Breeze and then Jamie in terms of where we were on set and dumbass Jamie looks over with a smirk on his face and points at me and goes, hey Breeze, this guy has you running back too. Breeze turns to his left and he looks like he's just seen someone run over his dog and

he's caught up with the person. He's about to pull them out of the car and beat the life out of him. He goes, uh, okay, I'm top two and I'm not two. And then he just looked straight ahead and it was the most uncomfortable conversation ever. And Jamie's looking like he looks now just giggling like a hole. That's good content, right? I have a follow up question for that story. Um, when you interviewed Ken Walker, the third, did you say, so Kenneth Walker, the third, you put the third in there too? I'm sure I did. I'm sure I did. He preferred to be called Ken.

So I probably called, I probably called Ken Walker the third. But to answer your question, Adam Azer, yes. What there's like a less than 1% chance. I feel like the Titans get off this pick. They need a quarterback. Brian Callahan came in after Will Leveson strapped. And so that's not his guy. We saw the frustration on the sidelines just watching television how anger he was at times

with the way Will Levis was playing. And in terms of Ken Ward, I've gone back and forth on this after that pro day, and I do sort of glow up these kids. I really have a good time watching them, and I want them all to have success. And as Dave knows, someone, when you have teenagers and your kids get older,

you sort of feel like they're in the same age range. So you get that But after some long hard conversations myself if he were last year's class cam ward He would be QB three for me. Like I didn't love Drake May last year Drake May's final season UNC what was up and down in part because he was young and all that stuff their team wasn't very good He played awesome last year for the Patriots But it would have been Caleb and then Jayden and then probably cam ward because he's six and all that stuff, their team wasn't very good. He played awesome last year for the Patriots, but it would have been Caleb and then Jaden and then probably Cam Ward. Cause he's six, two and a half.

He's a really good athlete. He's got like a, just a hair below like Anthony Richardson, Will Lovett's arm strength in person. I was sort of surprised by that. And he's incredibly mobile. Just got a cut down on the hero plays that we saw from Caleb and Jaden sort of when they were coming out of college.

And the sooner he does that, that the quicker it'll be more like Jayden and less like Caleb early on in his rookie season. But I think you have to take him if you're Tennessee and you can't trade out of that pick. All right, Jamie, I'm gonna throw it over to you. Ask something. And someone says, we need a pick of Jamie stirring a pot for gift material.

And I completely agree with that. Yes. What do you got, Jamie? What's on your mind? I mean, I guess if we're going came more to one, Travis Hunter seems like he's pegged for the Browns at number two. So from what you've seen, heard, you know, your thoughts, is he going to play both? Is he going to be primary wide receiver, primary cornerback? Where do you think he's better suited on the next level? And I'm curious what you guys think about this from a fantasy perspective. So the whole contingent of Cleveland was out there at the Colorado Pro Days with the owner on down and they had made it clear they didn't hide it. They thought that Travis is a wide receiver. They said that publicly.

I think Andrew Barry's made that clear several times. The issue from a fantasy perspective in terms of question I have for you, he's a better cornerback right now. It's more instinctive for him, so it's gonna take some time that learning curve. Sort of like how we saw Quentin Johnson. Felt like he struggled. He's still sort of struggling to really put it together. And then you see other guys sort of put it together a little quicker in terms of not playing quote-unquote slow. And Travis was always the best athlete on the field, so he could just go out there and out athlete everyone in college. That's going to be a little bit more difficult as a wide receiver in the NFL. So I get it for Cleveland.

I get it for the Giants. I get it for the Patriots. So the team's picking two, three, and four. Offense makes more sense, but you have to have a plan to use him in a smart way and to limit his reps. But I'm going to turn it around. Like when he's drafted, where are you drafting him in these fantasy drafts and like you don't get points for the defense side of the ball. Right. No, uh, we we've had this conversation. I think, you know, Dave can probably address it a little bit more, but in internally, it seems like we're just going to make him one position, um,

for draft purposes, or at least during, during the leagues, I don't know, Dave, can we customize that or not at all? You're saying that like I've got control over it. No, no, no, no. I know you've had some conversations about it. Here's what I would say is expect him to be receiver eligible unless it's made clear. He's going to play cornerback in which case he will be cornerback eligible and not wide receiver eligible.

If you guys, and I mean, everybody listening, if you've got thoughts on how he will be cornerback eligible and not wide receiver eligible. If you guys, and I mean, everybody listening, if you've got thoughts on how he should be made available, let me know. You know how to get in touch with me. You can even do it in the YouTube comments. I'll read them. I promise. And I can push that along to our developers. Obviously perfect world situation.

You'd get points for every catch. He gets every interception. He gets every tackle that he gets. Uh, I'm not sure if that's how all fantasy managers want it to be. I said it would be in a perfect world. Maybe that's not how it's supposed to be because there's an inherent advantage into a player like that. And I know that it doesn't work that way. Correct me if I'm wrong, Adam and Jamie, for Shohei Otani in baseball, when he was pitching and hitting over the course of, you know, a whole season.

You know, I don't think you were allowed to get all the pitching points and all the hitting points for Otani in a given week. I don't even know how it works now, but the way, because our team is so bad, Shohei Otani wouldn't even want to be on our fantasy team, but the way it did work originally was you drafted Otani. You had to choose, and we played in a weekly league. You had to choose every week. Are you starting him as a hitter or a pitcher?

And he would only get those points. You would not get both. Now you could get hitter one week, pitcher the next week, but you could not get both at the same time. And I'm pretty sure, you can't do that now. It would be, well, first of all, last year I didn't pitch, whatever, but it would be too unfair.

And he would be like in an auction league out of a hundred dollars, you'd probably go for like 70 bucks. It'd be so much better than everyone. So I don't know with Hunter, you know, I wouldn't want both stats to count. Some people would, but you know, we'll deal with that at some other time. Listen, I'm sorry, I got, I would gotta take a break.

I actually had another just note to make on Travis Hunter, if you don't mind. Yeah, and then we gotta take a break break and then I want to get your thoughts as I'll be quick on this. And Ryan, you can react to this if you want to, but we know that Cleveland's got three great cornerbacks already on the roster. It's Denzel Ward, it's Greg Newsom, it's Martin Emerson. Emerson and Newsom are scheduled to be free agents after this year. Denzel Ward isn't a hundred percent, you know, he's got concussion issues. He misses games every single year. It would make sense for Cleveland

to have a long-term view of Hunter as a corner, to have as a replacement for one of Newsom or Emerson Ward, if they move on from him after this year. But for his rookie season, he could end up playing wide receiver because the Browns have so many good cornerbacks as it is. Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. And Kevin Stefanski, as much as we like to forget, actually won 11 games in 2023.

He's a really good coach. He's just sort of dealing with a lot of other things and they got to get the quarterback situation sorted as well, because for as much as I love Kenny Pickett on the Steelers, I love him even more as a Steelers fan when he's a quarterback. Can we wrap up quarterback talk when we come back Adam? Yeah. Yeah, let's do it.

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Dave, what did you want to talk about with quarterbacks? So I am not the biggest Shader Sanders guy. Ryan, I don't know if you saw his last game against BYU, but that scared the pants off me. Sorry for the visual. But I do want to tell you that when in the rare circumstances, and this is in a number of games, this isn't the BYU game where Shadr had a clean pocket. He was settled, he wasn't running all over the place and he was really focused downfield. He was really good.

And I'm wondering if that's what a team might see in him is, okay, if we can get the situation around him great, where he's got good protection and he has more than two seconds to make a decision. Yeah. He can throw 15 to 20 yards, you know, on a line, no problem. And if that's the case and he could end up being a really good quarterback. Is that what teams are seeing? Is that what you see in Shider Sanders where when everything's right, this guy will be

great? Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it today because every one of these quarterbacks in a year really, like if they're in a situation where they're running for the lives a lot, even Kayla Williams last year at USC, that offensive line stunk and that hero ball didn't translate and the thing that also Shider didn't have last year in addition to an offensive line, the running game was absolutely terrible. Now Pittsburgh doesn't make a great fit in terms of the weather. You'd better play indoors in New Orleans, for example, and maybe even with Kellen Moore. But Arthur Smith is going to run the ball in Pittsburgh and you're not going to be asked

to throw the ball 50 times a game. And if you can just force yourself to start playing on time and not trying to make every play into a home run. And that's actually a bigger issue for Cam than for Chidor. Cam will turn down check downs to try to throw 50 yard lasers. And a lot of times it worked out. Chidor doesn't have that arm strength or that luxury. He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, but he can play on time and he can get the ball out on time and he throws pretty accurately to second, third levels. He has a great deep ball, but he's got to play on time and you got to give them a running game.

Steelers offensive line actually has a chance to be pretty good as a young unit. They have to draft a running back to help out Jalen Warren since they moved up from Najah and they can do that in the third round or even on day three. I think there's an opportunity for success there, but it's just so hard to figure out what these guys... No one knew that Jane Daniels was actually going to land in the perfect system with Dan Quinn year one and Cliff Kingsbury year one.

And certainly Sean Payton, we all thought he was just being arrogant. He actually knew what he was doing with Bo Nix. And now that team is one in which has very few needs, which is a crazy thing to say about a Denver Broncos team who a year ago had a million needs. All right. Why don't we wrap up quarterbacks? It's like anything else. It comes down to who's coaching these guys and how, how, how they'll be used

and how they'll be trained potentially made better by these coaches. All right. Why don't we wrap up quarterbacks with your top five quarterbacks, Ryan. Cam, Shador, and I have both those guys going into the first round. Jackson Dart is a mid to late second round guy for me personally. And then the guy I've been high on for forever, cause he's a local at least the last at least last 12 months local comacord out of Syracuse. He had a great season set the AC passing record. He's 6'3", he's 2'18", he's got a better arm than you think in person. Throws the anticipation better than anyone in this class. And then it's Will Howard for me just ahead of Jalen Milrow and all six of those guys added an extra one there are day one, day two guys

Behind them Quinn Uors and Tyler Shuck and I think they I would take them on day three I suspect Tyler Shuck will go earlier than that and Quinn Uors probably goes late day two early day three Okay, sorry one more quarterback question Yeah odds you think that Jalen Milro Jalen Milro is by far the most exciting Prospect because he's an incredible rusher. What do you think he can do? Can he figure it out as a passer? Can he be an NFL quarterback?

I wish he'd come back for one more year at Alabama because of what Kalen DeBoer and Michael Penick Jr. did together at Washington for two years. Because Michael Penick Jr. in Indiana was more athlete than thrower. And then we saw him become a pocket passer at Washington. And obviously a lot of that has to do with Michael Penick Jr. as well, we just didn't see that last year for Jalen Miller outside of that Georgia game He's got to get better throwing and Dave and I saw this at the senior bowl second level sort of touch throws and then third level Deep throws throwing with anticipation. He can throw the ball. He throws a hundred mile an hour fastball He just doesn't throw an anticipation

He doesn't throw into small windows and if you can fix that and that's a big if could be a really good football player. But the athletic stuff you're talking about, Adam, that's a no-brainer. He's already the best athlete, one of the best athletes in the straff class. It's just which coach can unlock the Jalen Mirro you need to have success as a pocket pass in the NFL. And that's just a huge issue for me. And that's why I have him below McCord and Will Howard in terms of possible day two guys. All right. Top five running backs for you, Ryan. Ash and Gentie, slam dunk. He's in the same conversation. And some people disagree on this part as Bijan and Jemere Gitts. I think he's that sort of player. He didn't catch a lot of passes in 2024. He caught a ton of passes in 2023. So he can do that as well. He's 5'8", so that's tall enough. There's some concern they might be shorter than that. Amarion Hampton out of

UNC is a feels like a juiced up version of Javonta Williams coming out of UNC a few years ago. Between the tackles guy, he can run outside. He's a spread. He has a track background and he can catch and block. Then Trey Henderson out of Ohio State. And a guy like a lot more than most people. He's only been playing running back for a couple years for Shar Smith out of the U. You guys might remember him back in the day. He's a wide receiver. So he's automatically the best receiving running

back in the draft class because of his background. He's getting better as a runner in terms of what it takes to have the instincts to play running back. Just hasn't done a lot, but he'll run between the tackles as an undersized guy and he gives you that sort of, he's not Christian McCavar, but you can use them in that way. And then finally, Quincheon Juckins, who transferred from Ole Miss to Ohio State. And he's more David Montgomery to Trey Henderson,

it's Jameer Gibbs, if you want to use that comparison, he's more bulldozer, but he can bounce it outside as well, a little bigger, ran sub four, five, and he is just as much a workhorse as a Marion Hampton in my mind in terms of between the tackles running. So all those guys that have going first, second or third round. Well, Jamie, it's so interesting to get different top fives, you know, like Bichard Smith. Bichard Smith. Yeah, he went to Miami. So I'm familiar with him,

but he didn't do much at Miami. Then he went to SMU and they played him at running back. He had a really big year. He's a small guy. He is so explosive. But to see the different guys like for Emory last week, he had a Trevor Etienne and he had Jaden Blue in his top five. So, you know, I wonder what kind of surprises were in store for Jamie after I feel like the top three will probably be, you know, Gentie, Hampton, Henderson, you know, I'm not sure about two and three what order, but yeah, it's gonna, I guess what I'm saying is, could be a lot of names that we see on day two and we just don't know who it is. And that's the beauty of this class, you know, I think there's so much talent, you know, as as Emory said, he was comparing what the 2017 class of, you know, all the guys that

are still, you know, very popular in today's NFL that we get this, you know, five, six years from now, same, same type of production. But yeah, that's the fun of it. I think it's going to come down to, you know, what team likes a certain style, like certain player, you know, they looking for a starter, a backup, you know, a guy that could be more physical like a Judkins or a guy that could be a little bit more of a, you know, as Pete would say, an, an air back like, like Smith, you know, so there's

lots of different ways that these teams can go. And then it's how we and our audience react to those things that are going to be fun because, you know, is Smith going to be viewed as a lead guy? Let's say like maybe Antonio Gibson was a few years ago when, you know, he really was Miss Cass in that role for Washington, you know, for example, you know, so there's going to be a lot of different twists and turns, I think, with this. But it starts at the top. You're hearing maybe Jacksonville and Genting.

And that is fun and frightening for his fantasy value. So all those questions are, this is the position. This is the thing for us right now. Because the quarterback class is weak. The wide receiver class, for the, this is the position. You know, this is the thing for us right now because the quarterback class is weak. Wide receiver class for the most part is weak. Adam, I don't know if you know this, were you in the draft on Friday with Heath? No.

So only four receivers went in the rookie draft in the first round. Superflex. Superflex, which is still shocking, you know. There were two quarterbacks. I don't want to spoil Heath's content, but there were only four wide receivers and one in the first round including Hunter. Did he go on

the first? Okay, so four receivers in the first round. So the receiver class week quarterback class week, we know tight ends are good, but they're not going to go early. The top two early in the first round. But you know, the for our purposes, this is going to be, you know, the position we spent a lot of time dissecting. I feel like I got to follow up here on Brichard Smith.

He's 5'9", 5'10", 194 pounds, again, out of SMU. He ran a 4'3", 9'40". Now Antonio Gibson had 33 carries in two seasons at Memphis. Tyrone Tracy had very few carries in his first five seasons in college. Then he had 113 with Purdue in his last year. Prashard Smith had 235 carries last year. So by that measure, he's got more experience than those other guys. He averaged 5.7 yards per carry, which is good. It's not great in college, but very solid. Yeah, I've seen him fourth is very interesting. So go ahead, Ryan,

what do you want to say about Prashard Smith? Oh yeah, he had 56 targets, only two drops, to talk about the wide receiver background. Seven of his games were over 100 yards. And yes, he's 5'9", he's 194, but you talked about the sub-4-4 speed. He reminded me a little bit of a Bucky Irving coming out of Oregon.

Bucky ran in the 4'5", so I think it was a fourth round pick, he's a day three guy. So you get a little more juice in terms of the the 40 speed and that who knows if that translates or not You're running backs don't have to run four four second be run four sixes and be fine But I feel like if you're getting a bucky urban, I would imagine buck He was relatively popular as a fantasy back last year. Yeah, you guys what? Yeah, so it feels like he has that potential and what 94 is at.9 just shaded in 5.10. That's plenty big in the way he was used at SMU and that's the way you would use them at the next level I feel like.

All right. Dave, you want to follow up on running backs? You want to move to his top five wide receivers? No, I'd actually like to have a few minutes to talk about Hampton and Judkins, if we may. Adam and I have noticed on Hampton that there are a lot of times where he'll hesitate after getting the ball. And this is on carries, Ryan. And that combined with just how big he is and the pad level that he plays with, it makes me nervous that he'll get hit in the back field a lot and won't be a monster like he was against college competition. I'd like your opinion on that and if it can be fixed. And then I'll ask a quick question about Judkins. Yeah, I think part of the issue with Hampton last year is that team was so

terrible that he was sort of the only show in town. I mean that team, I can't, I'm not a, I watch a lot of college. I don't pay attention to the rankings, but they were definitely a top 25 team, maybe better than that coming into the season. They just fell apart to the point they were trying to run Mac Brown out in the middle of the season. So I'm less concerned about because and I say that Dave with the understanding again as a Steelers fan watching Najah Harris Get hit in the backfield consistently, you know 25 times a game for the Steelers and that was an issue for him in Alabama because he was playing behind a good offensive line And you know, one of the the popular landing spots for a Marion is a pick 20 to the Denver Broncos and that feels like You're gonna get the best case of Mario Hampton there.

So I think if you put them on a crappy team, you're going to see similar stuff. And he was still really good last year, by the way, he's a borderline first round pick for me, and he could very easily go in the first round. And I think he's better than Giovanna. Like I said, who was a second round pick, I recall. So those are less concerning issues for me, because if you put any player on a super terrible team, they're not going to get the best versions of themselves.

So I think landing spot always matters. Usually set up a quarterbacks, but I think once he gets to the NFL and gets behind a good offensive line, you're going to see the best version of a Mario Hampton. Yeah. And we're all hoping for that. And we're all nervous about Gentie ending up with a team where the offensive line will stink and Gentie might not be able to overcome that and play to his ceiling. All right.

Quinshawn Judkins, uh, Adam and I have also noticed that his, his top gear isn't that fast, especially compared to a lot of other running backs in the league, and that's something that I just don't think can be improved upon, especially considering that he's already at 221 pounds. I don't know why someone, why a team would want to make them a little bit lighter. He also doesn't use his agility as much. And that kind of worries me a little bit that he, he he's trying to kind of play as like the rundowns guy.

Yeah. Did that impact how you felt about him? And do you think teams will just look at that and then immediately disqualify him as being even like a, a second round pick because he doesn't have the second gear in a deep glass? You know, it's funny, Dave, I actually had those same concerns and I was not as high on him as most folks in the media. And I get it. He's not Trevion Henderson, who is, who does have some short area quickness, who has the ability to bounce it and then turn the

corner. Even though he did run that sub four five quinch on didn't play as fast for me. And that's why he's more bowling ball between the tackles guy for me. One cut and go. So the concerns you have are the ones I have. And then it comes down to team fit. What are teams looking for? How does that fit into their system? If you're running a zone scheme and you get a one cut and go guy, you're, you're ready to go there with Quinshaw and Juckins.

And he just tracks guys down the field. But for me, he was a, like a third round pick and maybe even borderline day two, day three, and that's no disrespect to him, just class is so deep. But some people like him better than Trey Henderson. I think our buddy Lee Jay Doosible does. So it's just gonna come down to what you're looking for in a running back. But I shared your concerns and it's sort of funny.

I haven't heard a lot of people outside of you and me say those things. So I don't know, we'll find out if we're right or wrong. But I'm sort of with you on the view of Quinn Sean. I don't, yeah, I'm not huge on him. And I know I don't want to be a YPC for life guy, cause I, you know, used to get some heat for that, but in the big 10.

Yes you are. Well, but I'm not, I'm not at all. I look, I think I've replaced that with big playability, which I think is really what separates running backs, but his big playability is not on the same level as a lot of the other guys. Like for example, Caleb Johnson. Now, Caleb Johnson, I should mention, out of Iowa, had the slowest 10-yard split among running backs.

And he ran a 4, 5, 7, 40. So he didn't really test well. And the slowest 10-yard split, that does bother me a little bit. But his big playability much more frequently than pretty much any other running back. Remember, I gave that stat about percentage of carries that went for 20 or more yards. I looked at like 11 running backs that are gonna get drafted pretty early.

And Caleb Johnson was the leader there. I'm saying he's my favorite. But Judkins, what bothers me about Judkins, I gave this stat last time on last show. He averaged 4.2 yards per carry in the Big 10. His teammate, Trevion Henderson, averaged 6.5 yards per carry in the Big 10. His teammate, Trevion Henderson, averaged 6.5 yards per carry in the Big 10. And that is just a huge, huge gap for me. And I don't know, it bugs me.

I don't know, Ryan, if that matters at all to you, but to say that the guy that you're sharing a backfield with averaged 2.3 more yards per carry than you in the Big 10, and 4.2 yards per carry in college is just not good. So that stands out to me that he just kind of beat up on the inferior competition earlier in the season. He also was great in the national championship game, which I think is sticking in people's minds, but I don't really want to, I don't really, I'm hoping that Judkins lands in a bad spot,

so I don't have to make a tough call on him. And I'm also hoping that Henderson lands in a good spot because my gut wants me to have Henderson ahead of Amari and Ham make a tough call on him. And I'm also hoping that Henderson lands up in a good spot because my gut wants me to have Henderson ahead of Amari and Hampton. I absolutely love him. He's exactly what you want in the NFL these days. He's just so fast. He just beats, beats defenders to the spot.

Like Jameer gets- Let's fix with him too. And what do you think, Ryan? You know, it's funny as you guys are talking, and this is something that we were talking about at the combine as the running backs are coming through. And again, I'll liken it back to my Steelers connection because Najah Harris versus Jalen Warren. Running backs starting to look a lot more like Jalen Warren now than Najah Harris, and

they're having a lot more success. And I think that's the conversation with Juckins and Caleb Johnson as well. They're not big and they are they're sort of built like those guys and now they're sort of evolving into what Jalen Warren looks like and playing that way. And to keep the comparison going, Jalen Warren was way more effective than Najah Harris behind the same offensive line to your Ohio State point. And you wonder why, you know, if you watch the game, you can sort of figure it out. Now there's a there's a closer gap between Quinn,hawn and Trey and I think they're

both really good players but there are reasons to ask those questions if the yards for Kerry are two yards separating them behind the same offensive line in the same competition. Let me ask you about loosiveness. I just think that it's just the fact that Henderson is just much more, he's got more wiggle, looser hips, make-or-miss and Judkins can't do that. I think it's like that with any type of thunder and lightning type of combo that's out there. Adam, would you- But David Montgomery was, oh, I'm sorry, Jamie, I was gonna say David Montgomery

was pretty successful though. Adam, who would you prefer if this happens? If Henderson gets drafted to the Steelers at 21, and Judkins goes to the Raiders in round two. For this year, I would take Judkins for sure. Dynasty, I really cannot see a scenario where I take Judkins over Henderson. I just think Henderson is such a better player.

But it's a great call, right? That's where it gets really tough. Yeah, that's it. I'm gonna throw some more running back names at you. I want to, I want to get your thoughts. Uh, Caleb Johnson, you like him? No, uh, as a person, I love him. I, he's a little too upright for me. And even before the 40 time came out, I remember watching him in the fall

thinking what, why are we having these first round conversations about Caleb Johnson again, to echo the parrot, Pete Prisco and Jamie Isenberg, I do not want to crap on him as a person, but just football wise, if I'm stacking him, he's not in the same conversation these guys were talking about. So thank you for laughing at that, Jamie. Your job is to evaluate.

I know, but I'm like the world's softest. We love them all as human beings for the most part. Your job is to evaluate. That's right. If that's the disclaimer, I do not like him as a first or second, maybe even third round pick cams next to you. And I said, you know, hey, this guy doesn't like you as a person. And that could very easily happen if you're sitting next to Jamie.

I never do that to you. Cam Scataboo out of Arizona State. Love them. The only concern is how much longer can he play that way? And it feels like the expiration date is in months and not years because he is so he is the angriest, hardest working football player on the field, but it's just not sustainable physically, it feels like. Like I would take him to the fourth round because of physical, the physical shortcomings quotation mark, but he's a first round, like football player. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Dylan Sampson out of Tennessee.

I, you know, I had this conversation, Jalen Wright, I like better last year coming out. He ran a little bit faster. And the issue with Dylan is that he mumbles. So, I mean, if you like your running back to turn the ball over, then I get it. But otherwise, I wouldn't take him until day three. I think Javis would probably draft him as a GM.

Who, Javis? Yeah, yeah, Javis drafts him. All right, just give me like one more name because I see, you know, I see Basial Tooten pretty high in rankings. DJ Giddens. All right, go ahead. Tooten, go. Yeah, I love Tooten. The only he has fumbling issues as well, but he's a four three guy. He plays that fast. He's a little undersized. The Jalen Warren mold, he can run between the tackles. He can bounce it. He can catch balls coming out of the backfield. He's a game changer. He played much the last season with a knee brace on he was still out running guys at the end zone And the other guy I mentioned to to keep it real here in Central New York

Laquan Allen is only 20 years old out of Syracuse a little more upright He didn't run anywhere in the pre-job process, which means he's probably not fast But he plays fast another guy like we were talking with Brichard Smith he can catch ball coming out of the backfield. So he gives you that versatility as well fast. Another guy like we were talking with Breshard Smith, he can catch the ball coming out of the backfield. So he gives you that versatility as well. Those are two other guys that I like as potential day two ish borderline day three guys. Are there any other day two ish running backs that you feel

like we need to mention? R.J. Harvey out of UCF I love. And then right there as you sort of day two, day three, JQuest Hunter out of Auburn. But the thing is, and I think Jamie was talking about this earlier, I literally have 25 guys that could go in the first four rounds, first four or five rounds. So that's so deep at running back and every one's flavor of ice cream is going to be different how these terms in terms of how these guys are ranked. But it's going to be hard to miss on these guys in the first four or five rounds. If you just pull a name

out of a hat because these guys have been so good. All right, we gotta take a break. We'll talk wide receivers when we come back on FFT. Fanduil casinos exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling winning which beats even the 27th best feeling saying I do want this last parachute. I do enjoy the number one feeling. Winning in an exciting live dealer studio,

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Can you just please ask Ryan for his top five wide receivers? Let's assume that Travis Hunter is gonna play cornerback unless you don't have Travis Hunter as your, well, sorry, would Travis Hunter be your number one wide receiver? Dave, I'm still on Tep McMillan out of Arizona. And the lesson I've tried to make sure I remember

is that when T. Higgins came out, I liked him a lot in the fall. And then he ran quote unquote slowish during the pre-drop process. I said, oh, he's not fast enough. So I had him as a second round pick. He's a first round pick. Same with Tett. I don't care what Tett runs. I've seen Tett play. And it feels like the longer we go between the end of the season and the draft, the more we convince ourselves these kids stink. And there's our buddy Rick Spielman used to say, you hate them up until the moment you draft them and then suddenly you love them again. I like Tep McMillan. Like there's, I don't have to overthink it.

And I don't, I had him in this mock draft I did this morning, what I would do. Quote, I haven't gone to the Jaguars at five, sort of along the lines of thinking about Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson together, thinking about, um, Jamar and T together just to help out a young quarterback. That defense in Jacksonville isn't nearly as bad as Cincinnati, so there's an opportunity for them to turn things around with Liam Cohen. They can get defensive later. Mason Graham is the landing spot that he's tackled out of Michigan at five, usually in these mock drafts, but there's defensive line classes insanely deep. Get a wide receiver if you love them, pair with Brian Thomas Jr.,

and then figure the rest out later. Okay. So the top five would have Tet one go through the others. Travis two, if we want to include Travis, Matthew Golden out of Texas, who I love three, Luther Burden is next. And those guys are all first round grades for me. Then Emeka Bucca is top of the second for me at Ohio State. Man. Yeah. Golden and Burden to me are the two guys that I just, I know they're so important for our job, right? Is there going to get drafted early? I don't know how I feel about them. So

tell us how you feel about Matthew Golden out of Texas, Luther Birden out of Missouri. So yeah, Golden's a transfer from Houston and going into the season, the guy to watch was Isaiah Bond, who battled injuries and now he's battling some off field stuff. But Matthew Golden is a legit track guy. I think he ran a 429 and I sort of joked the only person that really plays 429 is probably Tyreek. But this guy plays fast enough and my comp for him was Jordan Addison except he outweighs Jordan by about 15 pounds coming out. He's about 194 just a hair under six feet. I think

he's 5'10", 5'11". But he can play outside, He can play inside. He has return ability so he can do all those things that Jordan Addison does. I feel like he can do it at that level. Luther Burden is interesting and that is season last year wasn't great, but that's because Brady Cook, their quarterback was banged up the entire year. If you watch 2023, both Brady Cook and Luther Burden look like playmakers and I think that's what you get with Luther Burden at the next level and he plays mostly slot but he's six feet almost 200 he might be 200 ran sub four or five so he plays bigger than perhaps he he looks and he's pretty big physically and he I think that the speed I have no concern with a Mecca

Buka is one of these guys I feel like we're sleeping on just because he does everything at like a B plus A minus, but he doesn't do anything spectacularly. He's a huge slot. He runs faster than Jackson Smith and Jigba coming out. He's a professional like route runner. He's going to be exactly where you want him to be. If you're a quarterback, you can rely on him. Great hands, yada, yada, yada. So he could end up being the most efficient of these guys early on in his career just because he's more advanced. But landing spot, yada, yada, yada. The other name I'll mention, uh, wide receiver six, Jalen Royals out of Utah State didn't talk a lot about him because he got hurt in October.

This dude can, can play like he is. They use him at Utah State, sort of like they use Malachi Corleone, Western Kentucky, but I think he's a better athlete and a better route runner. Jalen Royals and Matthew Golden had the fastest 10 yard split. Uh, thank you. Yeah. At the combine, they were tied. Royals ran a four four two and he is he is he a slot guy? Well, no, I put in my notes he can play wide or in the slot. So that's and he has returnability to. OK. Jamie, would you say, you know, he said that

a buca is like a does everything at like a B plus a minus does nothing spectacular. Just you think that describes me to like just a little bit lofty for you. Yeah. Softball starts tonight. So definitely that. Oh, all right. Love to see it. Yeah. I go to that tennis swing Tennis swing is like an a solid a right now, you know, we're past the minus board but the forehand anyway Wait a second Adam. Yeah, did you play a tennis match live? I did who'd you play against Dan Schneier? That's right. You and Dan. Yeah, your stroke is pretty good

Like my son plays tennis in high school doesn't work hard at it at all But whatever but I appreciated watching someone care about what they were doing and trying to do it at a high level. So kudos to you, sir. A lot better since then. It's the record show that Ryan seeked out the live stream of Adam playing tennis. I remember that. Adam was your father to follow Ryan Wilson. Yeah. Thank you, Dave.

Or look up his mock drafts right before the show starts. And just to clarify to play Kate Jamie, when I say B plus A minus for Mecca Boca, I really mean A plus, let's be real. Of course. So I just wanna let you know, this came up at dinner yesterday. Apparently, if you Google my name, the first thing that, the fourth thing,

the fourth thing that comes up is Adam Azer tennis match. So I guess a lot of people- What are the first three? Just me is Adam Azer tennis match. So I guess a lot of people- What are the first three? Just me, Adam Azer wife, Adam Azer Twitter, Adam Azer tennis match. That's- Nice. And Dan's actually pretty good tennis players,

as I recall, is that right? Yeah, I don't know about him. I'm gonna give him, I'm gonna give him- Dan is very good in comparison to Adam. No, he's very good. He's a very good player. He played in high school and I think he actually put some work into it

in high school. So your son should talk to Dan. He's a very good player. He played in high school and I think he actually put some work into it in high school. So your son should talk to Dan. There we go. Got it. All right, anyway, Jamie, go ahead. To talk about, I'm sorry, I haven't gotten you involved enough. So the floor is yours.

I'm just enjoying the conversation. Jayden Higgins, your thoughts on him and Jack Beck, another guy who's getting a lot of uh A lot of pub lately. Yeah, huge jack besh guy. Um, I I like to watch it It's a louisiana pronunciation apparently because I had to I call them back as well Yeah, I uh, he was an lsu guy transferred to tcu and I remember watching in the fall going good lord Why are we not talking about this guy? He never ran or if he did he didn't run super fast I don't I don't care. He plays plenty fast me and Dave saw him at the senior ball. He went off there He was dominating practice had a really good game. I'm not high on Jayden Higgins

I haven't been throughout the process I had a day three grade on him and then Li J our buddy Li J doozles like dude This guy has a chance to be a top 50 pick so we're back and watch him again I'm moving up a little bit more. He ran sub four five He doesn't play that fast like everyone gets on Tepic Mellon for night separating Jayden Higgins doesn little bit more. He ran some poor five. He doesn't play that fast. Like everyone gets on Tepic Mellon for nights separating. Jayden Higgins doesn't separate either. He's six, four, and he's a long strider and he does all those things. Well, I think Ted is a level or two above what Jayden Higgins does.

And then that doesn't mean Jayden Higgins won't be a top 50 player, but uh, let me see who my comp was for him. Cause I just couldn't get on board with them. And again, that doesn't mean anything other than one person. So Dev Parker was sort of my comp. That's fair though. Like big tester and then you don't see it on tape necessarily and that's okay like we'll see how it works out but I just I would not take them. Well you guys talking about comparison one of the things that we were talking about the other day we were doing these mock drafts if you're the the, the Raiders, for example, would you rather have Ashton Gentian, Jayden Higgins, or would you rather have Tep McMillan and say, Omari and Hampton?

Like that's the sort of math you're trying to figure out when you, where and when to take these guys. It's probably not going to be Hampton, right? Like, don't you think Hampton is going to be in the first round? Even your guy Trey, let's take Trey Henderson then. We'll take Trey Henderson. I feel like he's going to be a, I don't know. I feel like he's going to be a first round pick too,

but yeah, it could be, it certainly could be Judkins. Right, it could be Tet and Judkins. I think Trey Henderson's probably not gonna go in the first round, so he could be there at the top of the second for the Raiders. So you could have Tet and Trey, or you could have Ashton and Jayden Higgins, was the conversation we're having.

I'd go Tet and Trey. I would too, but you know. I think you probably have to go that route, right? That's the problem. You love Ashton Gentry. Yeah. I would guess. The problem is that like there's a clear difference between the type of running back Genty is

to Henderson and Genty can do a lot of what Henderson can do. Henderson can't do a lot of what Ashton can do. Ashton's a very, I'm going to decide on Gentian Higgins. Because I think as good as McMillan is, and he's definitely got that agility that Jayden Higgins doesn't have, you're still going to get a big guy who's 6'4", who you're just going to throw up 50-50 balls

and he's going to win them. I love, I like Higgins and I love his hands. Like one, two drops maybe over his time at Iowa State and some 45 targets he went on. Like I think that he could end up being one of the five best receivers in this class. And someone who could with good target volume could be an asset in fantasy football. Yeah, I wouldn't push back on that. I just when I started stacking these guys and to your point, Dave, 145 targets just

two drops. So thank you. He's catching everything you throw towards him. No doubt about it. Yeah, I just didn't see the, I didn't see what everybody Lee Jay saw in terms of him being a top 50 pick. Oh, no, he doesn't have the wiggle that Macmillan has. He doesn't have the footwork and I don't think he ever will. So like there's a drop off there, but you're still getting ultimately a big receiver and you're getting a better running back in gente.

The Raiders would be doing like a fantasy draft that way. Yeah. I got this guy in round one and then round two I'll get the receiver. Right. That's always the hardest part about justifying a running back in the first round. I mean, when the Giants took Barkley, Nick Chubb, they could have had Nick Chubb in the second round, right? So, but Barkley is obviously amazing.

I do want to know how you feel about Hunter because you have him second. Do you think he can be a great receiver? How about comparing Hunter and McMillan to let's say Roma Dunze this time last year? Where would I have those three stacked? Yeah, so Rome and Tet would probably be pretty close. Travis is my wide receiver too just because he doesn't play full time. He would be my wide receiver one if that was his only job, just because he'd be somewhere further along. Because now he's just playing sort of on feel and he's a good enough route runner. They didn't ask me to do a whole bunch, a lot of screens, a lot of hitches, a lot of go balls. So we have to see how that fits in. And I think we heard Joe Shane talk

about how they would use Travis in that role on offense at the next level should they draft them so on and so forth. But I think three years from now Travis Hunter could be the the best wide receiver out of the draft class and one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. He just hasn't done it a lot. Okay. If there's anybody to trust, it's Joe Shane. At Amazer 2023. Yeah, throw out some wide receiver names out. You give me a quick thought. Yep. Ellick Iomaner out of Stanford. Big, he's not gonna, he ran pretty well,

but he doesn't play fast, but he's a possession receiver. He reminds me of Anquan Bolden, like that sort of player. And you can rely on a security blanket for your quarterback. Trey Harris out of Ole Miss. I was very impressed. He has a 79% catch rate with a 12 yard A dot, one of the best. They should come up with a stat for this, but like the high A dot, highish A dot, high

catch rate. You don't see that. Trey Harris really excelled there. What do you think about him? I like him a lot. And the issue, the hesitation is that coming out of that Ole Miss offense, sometimes the quarterbacks and wide receivers don't translate even though Lane Kiffin, you know runs a

What's considered look at really efficient high-powered offense? it just feels like those guys sometimes when they get to the next level don't exactly put it together the His names escapes me the second round pick of the Panthers who they traded to the Cowboys Oh Jonathan Mingo Mingo like that That didn't work out and maybe it does but I in the month and when they drafts Panthers who they traded to the Cowboys. Oh, Jonathan Mingo. Mingo like that. That didn't work out. And maybe it does. But I and when they draft, I was like, I don't know.

Trey Harris is a much better player than Mingo coming out in my mind. But I think his chance to be good. And he's he's just like a day two guy. So I'd be comfortable with that. Do you like his speed? Yeah, no, I think he plays play fast. I think it's the LSU game. He was just running past guys all along the first one of the first plays of the game.

I think he just dropped that bomb from from Jackson Dart, but he can get open. He's a big body too. That's exactly what happened. Trey Harris, he dropped one on the first play and then on the next drive, he caught one. He kept getting behind guys on LSU and he ran a four, five, four, but I'm glad you say that because I look at him, I even wrote it in my notes. He looks faster than his 40 times. Let's see, Isaiah Bond. So we know he's dealing with this sexual assault accusation. He says he's innocent. You know, I'm not going to get into

that, but he is super. Texas has every fast guy in the world, apparently. 4-3-9-40. Isaiah Bond, you think he's a, if there were no off field issues, do you think he's a second round pick kind of player? He's second, third round if we're just talking about on field productivity. And he was banged up for part of last year. And then when you go back and watch him, like, oh, this dude's getting open and making plays. Alabama transfer. And like, why is he transferring? And I don't know if it served him well or not because of the injury, but I understood

what he was thinking. I, yeah, I think he's a day two guy strictly on the field. It's just a matter of how much off the field is going to be a problem. I'm going to throw a name at you guys too. A guy that I watched in the fall and starting to talk about a little more, but Dante Thornton jr. Out of Tennessee, six, four, 200 pounds, random four threes. And, uh, he is a poor man's version of Brian Thomas jr.

That you just throw go ball to him and he, he catches them and he's not one 85. He is thick. he's a track guy and Oregon transfer and all he does is make plays like down the field. And I love him as a sort of, I think my comp for him was like Martavis Bryant. When he came out, they just threw him deep balls and threw him slants and let him do the rest.

That's Dante Thornton Jr. And then he sort of grows into the role and you teach him how to run routes, yada, yada, yada. But day one deep ball threat and he has the physicality to be a high point sort of contested catch guy too. Give me your thoughts on Kyle Williams out of Washington State. I don't love him as much as some of our buddies do. Like again, Lijay likes him a little bit more.

I think Mike Renner likes him a little bit more. He plays outside and he can play inside. He had a good senior bowl. I think he's more possession receiver for me than sort of juiced up athlete. He tested pretty well. But I didn't, I wasn't on the Kyle Williams train like some other folks where I have him as a day three guy, like fourth, fifth rounder. Dave, you saw him at the senior bowl, Kyle Williams, any thoughts? I thought he was okay at the senior bowl, but he didn't stand out to me. I don't think he was one of the top two or three best receivers that was there. He's somebody I'm studying this week. And we had Chris Chapaso on last week and he

really likes a guy out of Florida, Elijah Badger. He's a huge Elijah Badger guy. Yeah, he had him fifth. What do you think about Elijah Badger? If you're going to draft a Florida receiver, I would go with Camiri Decay. I like him a little better slot guy He's big ran really well he just runs away from guys in the middle of field and on these sort of man-beaters and That's that's where I would go like Badger. I have going like late day day three DK I would take I would take him in the fourth and feel pretty good about it

I'm looking now my comfort Badger was, was Tajay Sharp. So, uh, he's a number four on your team. Wide receiver wise. I think DK could be a number three, number four, but you put them in the slot and third down and just have them beat guys in the middle of the field. And he's a, he's a yak guy too. Let's get to the tight ends. Yeah.

Dave, a heart attack. But, oh, it says Sharpa, uh. One of my guys from many years ago. Oh, okay. Look at that. Who do he's your, he's your, he's your brief hall. We got some good chat with my brief hall. We got some good suggestions in the chat for what comes up with Google Adam Azer. So stay tuned at the end for some of those.

The chat never lets us down. All right, tight ends. Yeah. Give me your top five. Colson Loveland. Oh no, no. It is Tyler Warren. Come on, Ryan Wilson.

I said this is the. Here's the thing. No one helped themselves outside of perhaps Kam Ward more this fall than Tyler Warren. Like he was a day two, day three guy in the summer. We talked about him on the, on the podcast. The host Adam is called with the first figures check that out. Colson Loveland was the victim of terrible quarterback play last year.

Sort of like we talked about with Luther Burden when Brady cook was hurt, but he was JJ McCarthy's go-to guy in 2023. And he is, he's basically a big slot. He's more Chauvin Jennings than Rob Gronkowski and that he's going to line up in a slot. He's one of the best route runners this draft class. He's enormous. He's slender, but he's tall, big catch radius, and he actually runs through arm tackle, despite his size. That said, I think in this mock

draft, and what I would do, I had Tyler Warren going first because he's a better fit in Indianapolis in my mind than Colson Lovell. So either one I'm fine on and I like them very similarly just for different reasons. So Colson, Tyler Warren, Gunnar Helm I love out of Texas. He ran a 4.8 at the combine but he had an ankle injury. If I were his agent I'd be like, yo man your ankle isn't working let's run when you're healthy. But I give him credit for being you know trying to tough it out. Mason Taylor at LSU is next. He's Jason Taylor's son and he's every bit the athlete may be a better athlete, which is crazy And then Elijah Royo to rep azer and Dave you there

Another fantastic athlete who just battled some injury issues I'm putting this in my notes good stuff Gunnar Helm ran a four eight But had an ankle injury so when I when he gets drafted and we're talking about him on Saturday I'm be like guys don't just remember but had an ankle injury. So when he gets drafted and we're talking about him on Saturday, I'm be like, guys, don't, just remember he had an ankle injury. All right, so you go, let me just recap everything. I'm gonna credit the person that told you to. I don't think we're going to do that.

I said, I heard it on this podcast with the third pick or something like that. With the third pick is a great name. So we've got your top five quarterbacks were Cam Sanders, Jackson Dart, Kyle McCord, Will Howard. Your top five running backs were Ashton Genti, Omarion Hampton, Trevion Henderson, Brichard Smith, Quinchon Judkins.

Top five wide receivers, Teteroa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Matthew Golden, Luther Burden, Emeka Ibuka. Top five tight ends, Loveland, Tyler Warren, Gunnar Helm, Mason Taylor, and Elijah Arroyo yep all right Dave Jamie anything you want to get into with the tight ends uh who's your top five kickers we did a seven round mocks draft live on the podcast that I host it's called with the first pick Adam and not one special teams player was drafted and I regretted it immediately afterwards so I know the kicker from Miami is good beyond that beyond that, I don't know. Or a gallus, baby. Yeah. All right, but these tight ends

are great. I mean, it's a great tight end class here. So how many do you have in the first round? Yeah. I think just two. Like I would be shocked if three go. And the question is how high. And, you know, people get angry again, as you guys know, when you do these mock drafts, people get angry again as you guys know we knew these mock dress fans get angry But we did a mock trap with me and Pete Prisco Brian McFadden ran car fun making all the first round picks and Tyler Warren lasted until the Commanders that whatever picked 29 or 30 wherever they're picking just because Wow other things happen before right you don't that doesn't seem Possible, but there's a run on running backs. was a run on offensive line or whatever it was so sometimes these weird quirky things happen that aren't injury related just the way that the board sort of unfolds so that would be crazy i don't think it'll happen that way i

think both these guys will be gone by pick 20 but i mean you never know i would be shocked if one of the two don't go to the jets of of the Colts. Oh, the Jets, interesting. At seven, at seven? Yeah. Oh, that's nice. I don't hate that because I have them take an offensive lineman and people get angry about that, but whatever. But I mean, they do have a real need there.

And again, we're talking about helping out your young quarterbush. Gare Wilson has a bunch of scrubs everywhere else. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Gare Wilson has made it clear that he's tired of having to carry the load as the only sort of guy in the wide receiver room slash tight-end room we have a resale though Jamie they do and two other running backs that apparently they're gonna use Aaron Glenn said he basically hates brees hall as much as you do once upon a time before you guys

well no not before you knew me, but before I was making any types of predictions on the air. You said before you're making seven figures. Yeah, right. You're just gonna have to take my word for it on this because it's really true. I loved Luke Keakley. He was this guy, I was like,

this guy is gonna be one of the best players in this draft. Now I could be making this up, I could be lying, but I love Luke Keakley. Tyler Warren is my Luke Keakley. I love Tyler Warren. I think he's going to be one of the best players out of this draft. He is like George Kittle to me.

Everything you said about Kam Skattaboo is how I also feel about Tyler Warren. He's an absolute beast. And if he goes to the Jets, I'll be totally heartbroken. But if he goes to the Colts, I'll be even more heartbroken. So, Azer just said Tyler Warren will be a Hall of Famer. I honestly think he has, you know,

I think he has certainly pro bowl to all pro potential. I don't know about Hall of Fame, but he is gonna be everyone's favorite player. He's such a hardworking, just monster out there. If he falls that far, I mean, I'd love to see the Chargers. So I'll find a way to get him. Yeah. No, he feels like a Jim Harbaugh type guy too. I know his high school basketball coach, this will make you,

we'll scribble this down, I'll make you even happier about him. So he's a super quiet kid, number one. Number two, like he played in the suburban richmond High school and he played center at 6 6 235 at the time And they would he was the only reason they were able to compete with with the city's City schools of basketball because he was out there just balling out as a 6 6 230 I don't know if he had long hair then center looking like uh, perhaps kurt rambus I don't know

But uh the athleticism is I think sometimes underrated and I'm guilty of it as well When compare him to Colson Loveland, he's insanely athletic. He's insanely driven. He cares about football He doesn't do much else and he's by all accounts a good kid. I don't like that. He's quiet though I want I want someone who's in your face and nasty you want Jeremy Shockey He's I hate him now, I mean Kurt Rambis you're dating yourself Kurt. I do like who is the who would be the closest version of a long haired basketball playing Tyler Warren like I don't even know. Steven Adams was watching him last night. Well Steve I don't even know who that is. He's from New Zealand though like you can't go there. I don't know. Out of the loop I am. All right. So, yeah, I think Stephen Adams, didn't he write Dilbert? Is that date myself? Jamie?

Scott Adams, I believe. Gilbert Gunnar Helm was an interesting one at three. Can we make a trade and Ryan hosts this show and you host the third pick podcast. So you're with the third pick. The Giants podcast. So these other guys, you know, Helm, Mason Taylor, Elijah Arroyo, didn't mention Harold Fanon Jr. He's probably right there.

He is right there. Yep. How much potential do these guys have as NFL prospects? Mason Taylor has the most upside. He's a sheer athlete at this point, so we're learning the position, but he'll block. You guys don't necessarily care about that for your purposes, but in terms of being an inline tight end. But again, it's funny because Randy Moss, his son, Thaddeus Moss played in that LSU team back during the Joe Burrow days. He was good. I think he went on draft. But Taylor Mason is legit. His uncle, obviously, Zach Thomas. His dad is Jason Taylor.

The athleticism feels like it's not not gonna be Cal Pitts level athleticism. And then the warning label that comes with that is that you have to use them properly. Cal Pitts is still trying to figure that out. But you talk about Harold Fanon Jr. He's more of a big slide again, sort of the Malachi-Courley comparison, but a little better, a little more efficient. He was the, the offensive Bowling Green.

And then another player whose dad played in the league right below Harold for me is Arundhie Gatz in the second. Yeah, I was just about to ask you about him as a Syracuse guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's he's 245. He looks in person like he is 265 He's 6-4 and change He is thick for 245 ish and he again he can play in line and block But he was comic courts go-to security blanket in the middle of field and not just on short routes But short intermediate and then he could run the seam He ran a 465 as his pro day and I think that's perfect for him

So in Terrence Ferguson, I mentioned a couple of names guys that are athletic How do you get drafted Terrence Ferguson out of Oregon had a good season last year? Mitchell Evans out of Notre Dame not quite as athletic but it's sort of a traditional tight end out of out of a Notre Dame As I mentioned he had had a good year again with some some up and down quarterback play with Riley Leonard. Arunde Gadsden senior one of the best highlights in Dolphins history. When they lost to Jaguars 62 to seven he scored he scored the only touchdown and believe they were down 40 at that point. Maybe more I don't even know.

And he did his touchdown celebration, which was an OG, like with his arms. And it was like Austin Eckler when they were getting the boot kicked out of them by the Raiders. And he does the first down when they're down 30. It's like when Homer Simpson scored a touchdown, was it in the Super Bowl, Adam?

And he's doing all these dancing Oh, I hate that episode. I never watched that episode. It's like 62 to 7 You know who I blame for that touchdown celebration down 60 points guys Rick Spellman. He was in the front office of Miami He set the tone and they follow suit. So that's Rick's fault Rick used to be on this podcast Great podcast. What was it called, Adam? With something, I don't remember. But yeah, yeah.

Harold Fanon Jr. I find amazing. I mentioned this a few weeks ago. First tight end in FBS history to lead the country in catches and receiving yards. And he did it on a team that was only 46th in the country in pass attempts and only played 13 games. Some guys were playing 15, 16 games. He had over a hundred, 117 catches, 1,555 yards, 10 touchdowns, amazing production from Harold Bannon Jr. And I didn't mention this and I wanted to when we talked about

him last time. Two games against, you know, big time teams, 11 catches for 137 yards in a touchdown against Penn State, eight catches, 145 yards in a touchdown against Texas A&M. There's a touchdown against Texas A&M. You're not gonna like this, Ryan. My personal opinion, the touchdown against A&M, he's wide open, but then he makes a play after the catch. I don't know if you remember the play. Jukes some guys, like really, really nice highlight play.

I never saw a single thing, anything like that from Colston Loveland. Never saw that jukability. That's people get on Colston Loveland. Never saw that juke ability. People get on Colston Loveland for that, the lack of Yak. I never saw that from him. I saw that on that play certainly from Fanon. But I think it's important for Fanon that he played against Penn State and A&M. He had 140 yards and a touchdown against both of them.

Absolutely. That's the same conversation we have about Ash and Gentie. He didn't play anyone. Well, he beat the pants off of Oregon, so he played them. And I think you're right because when you talk about the, the, the, um, the Mac, the competition isn't what it is and, and the SEC or the big 10 or whatever, except he went against both those teams for those conferences and took over the

game. And a lot of the Bowling Green Offensives just put the ball in, in Harold's hands and let him do the rest. But to your point, he can make plays down the field. He can make contested catches in the middle of the Bowling Green offense was just put the ball in Harold's hands and let him do the rest. But to your point, he can make plays down the field. He can make contested catches in the middle of the hashes on those intermediate routes. The funny thing for me is that he runs, like he's a little quirky way in which he runs is like he almost doesn't have knees, but he's still fast and he's still out running guys and he's still making plays. And again, another guy who had a great senior bowl week and I would take him in the third

round all day long and just find ways to use them as a slot out of the slot. All right, I'm sorry, we went pretty long here. So let's just wrap it up. Your thoughts on the offensive lineman in this draft. So last year, I'll ask you a pop quiz, Adam. How many offensive linemen won the first round last year? Who was the first one?

Can you tell me that? Like jog my memory? I think it was Joe Walt. I'm actually struggling to I think was Joe Walt. I'm gonna say six, six offensive linemen in the first round. Nine offensive linemen in the first round. I was had it. I was reading upside down.

Sorry, it was a nine. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. With the six pick, you would have gotten that one. I think for like four guys, offensive tackles and maybe one guard, two guards. So we could get four to six, I feel like. So the outside, the over under five and a half, maybe six and a half. So Kelvin Banks Jr is my OT one, but I think Will Campbell goes first

because he's more ready to start. Left tackle for the Panther. I mean, excuse me, the Patriots, we talked about that to death. I like Armand Membou going to the Jets at seven But I'd like Jamie's idea of taking a tight end there and then Calvin Banks could go at nine to the Saints for example Maybe he slips a little bit further and then Josh Simmons is the San Diego State transfer got hurt in that Oregon game for Ohio State in the midst of the second half of the season, but He's he looks apart. He might be the best athlete of the bunch and the Tyler Booker the tackle

Excuse me the guard out of Alabama, one of my favorite players, any position, he ran a four, three, five, I don't care. People keep talking about that, it doesn't matter. And then Gray Zabel, the North Dakota State left tackle is gonna kick inside at the next level, guard enter center, and he has a chance to be a first rounder as well. It's gonna come up on Thursday

when Will Campbell gets selected, maybe as early as fourth. Short arms, is he really going to play tackle or are they going to have to move him to guard? What are your thoughts? As Will Campbell said when he he's asked about this, he said, I started as a freshman for LSU in the SEC and no one cared about my arm length until literally two weeks ago or whenever they found out his arm length. If you watch him play, like, oh my god, this kid is great and he's great against some of the best players in the country. Talked to Walter Nolan at the senior ball and he said, he said yeah the toughest kid I faced throughout my career, this is going back to their high school days, is Will Campbell because they

were both five stars at the same camps and all that other stuff. So Walter Nolan is going to be a first round pick and he is very disruptive and Will Campbell more than held his own against Walter Nolan. I'm not worried about Will Campbell as a tackle. And you just, you put them out there and you see what happens. I mean, worst case you move them inside the guard, but why wouldn't you try them to tackle? Okay. I'm trying to look for some of the, uh, Adam Azor's Google searches. Adam Azor, weird sandwich.

Adam is terrible movie takes Adam. Azor Star Trek shirt. Adam Azor three line gate. Yep. These would all be. Are you a Star Trek guy? No, I'm a Star Wars guy. What Jamie and or Dave, what are some of Adam's worst movie takes? I'm curious. Oh, God. This is a bad take. I actually had one last week. Great movie takes.

What's the romantic movie that he thought was amazing? Jamie. Oh, crazy, stupid love. That movie is awesome. Let me get to that one. Right. But he said it like top five movie all time. I did not set up. I think you did. Crazy, stupid. Right. Have you seen have you seen the sopranos? Yeah. Oh, here comes Thomas.

Thomas has the worst one with Patrick. Sweet, sweet, dirty dancing. Oh, dirty dancing is a great dirty dance. It is a tough movie. Yeah, oh here comes Thomas Thomas as the worst one with the Patrick He said when dirty dancing is on he watches it now cuz he didn't see it when he first saw it right? Yeah, yeah, it's a great. No dirty dancing is really good movie. I think it's very it's great than ten times You've seen it more than ten times. It's always on so on. So I put it on in the background. I don't see like I wouldn't go, hey, let's go watch a movie. Let's watch Dirty Dancing. But it's a good movie to put on. It's like a guilty pleasure. You own it. Oh, I don't own it. That guy. Right. Right. Really? Whatever said that you think

Tom Cruise is an action star. That's a terrible one. Yeah. Wait, Tom Cruise is not an action star. You know, he doesn't fight enough in movies. Oh, that is a terrible. What else does he do? It's not a great one. He's, he's a Jerry Maguire. He's a drama guy. He's you know, he's in he's in cocktail. I'm pretty sure Jerry Maguire came out in 96 and cocktail may have been 89. It's so much drama in Mission Impossible.

You know what movie I watched? parents were visiting? Which one, Dave, the 10 of them? I watched, I watched The Running Man with my mom this past week. It was a weird. The original Running Man? Yeah, yeah. Not a bad movie. That's a great movie to watch with your mom.

I know, Arnold's like, he had the splits and she was like, oh my God. And then she's like, that's it, I'm done with this movie. Hey, there's a great NFL player in that movie. Oh, Jim Brown. Yeah. Oh, look at that call. All right, fellas. Ryan, thank you very much. That's even terribly played in the NFL, right? For college. I don't think Jesse did in the NFL. I got to Google that.

Yeah, that's Adam Azer, Jesse Ventura. See what that returns. Guys, I'm glad I was the last one in the edition. I'm glad that. Yeah, that's Adam Aze or Jesse Ventura. See what that returns. Thanks for having me guys. I'm glad I was the last one in addition. I'm glad that I realized that I do work with them. I've been in the company since 2011, but yeah. Thanks for filling in. Listen, enjoy your six month vacation that starts on Monday, dude.

Oh, I will. I absolutely will. Me and Brice Hall are going on vacation. Have a great day, everybody. Remember to do that NFL draft contest. Again, the URL is tinyurl.com slash FFT 2025 draft. For Ryan Wilson, Jamie Isenberg, Dave Richard, and Thomas Schaeffer, I'm Adam Azer. We will talk to you on Wednesday on fantasy football. Attention please.