Fantasy Football Today - Drafting in Different Formats, Bold Predictions! (09/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: September 2, 2020

We're gonna start the show with a bold prediction from Jamey, Dave and Heath, and we'll get plenty more before the show is over. But we've certainly got to talk about Alvin Kamara (5:30) who is apparently dealing with a back issue. Should he still be the #4 overall pick? Plus more news and notes (8:40) as we discuss Tyrod Taylor, A.J. Green, Darren Waller and Leonard Fournette ... How to draft in different formats! Let's begin with 0.5 PPR (20:30) and discuss so many other formats along the way. Whose values change the most depending on scoring? What about 3-WR leagues (24:55)? Multiple Flex options? What changes in 10-team leagues vs. 14-team leagues (30:30)? What changes in 4-point per passing TD leagues (42:40)? ... Bold predictions from our analysts and the listeners to close the show (48:50)! ... Email us at [e-mail] Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Full predictions, everybody's favorite show of the year. Welcome to Fantasy Football today on Wednesday, September 2nd. It is Draft-a-thon day. We hope to see you all tonight. More on that a little bit later.

But right now, we're going to give you some bold predictions. We're going to give you the Alvin Kamara news. We're going to give you some Leonard Fournette landing spots, destinations. We're going to read your emails and your tweets, and we're going to talk about how to draft in different formats. We are actually doing a half PPR draft right now, the best format. So, yeah, we'll – it's at 14 teams, 12 teams, 10 teams, super flex, PPR, four-point per passing touchdown, six-point this and that.

Who wants to kick off the show with a bold prediction? I'll go. I'll go. All right, Jamie. I don't want to have a repeat of what happened before we start. The Cleveland Browns will have the eighth duo of players to rush for 1,000 yards when Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt do it in 2020. That is a very bold prediction. The last duo to do it.

Yes. You have duo to do it. Yes. They have to go very far. Lamar Jackson and Mark Ingram. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Wow. All right. Show's over, folks. Going out on a high note.

All right. I like that bold prediction. You know, it's funny because I actually have it ranked where they're going to go for 1,000 yards, so I'm excited about that. Good for you. That's how it should be. No, look, we're making inside jokes here. These bold predictions don't have to be reflected in rankings. They are for fun. Let's

just have fun. Talk some fantasy football here. Uh, all right. So actually, you know, I was doing this, we're doing this half PPR draft. I was pretty surprised at where Heath had Kareem hunt. He's at Kareem hunt, likeem Hunt like head of Todd Gurley. Is that right? That sounds right. See, that's difficult because these are full PPR rankings. Ah, okay. Because we don't have...

Right. So, yes. But yeah. All right. So, Heath, give me a bold prediction. Preston Williams will outperform 2020 Devante Parker and 2019 Devante Parker as the number one wide receiver

of the Miami Dolphins. That's pretty good. 2019 Devante Parker, wasn't he like top 10? He was 70 catches for 1,200 yards and nine touchdowns. You think Preston Williams is better than that? Okay. Well, I mean, he is better than Devontae Parker.

As a rookie, he was outperforming him until he got hurt. So I don't know why he wouldn't be better than this year. All right. All right. Dave, what's a bold prediction you'd like to share with the group? Five tight ends will have at least 800 receiving yards and nine touchdowns. Wow.

Whoa. You know four of them. The fifth one will be Tyler Higby. Whoa, man. So in reality, the top four tight and what did you say? 800 yards and nine touchdowns at least

the nine touchdowns is the hard part because Kittle like kills like five touchdowns have like that's super. I like it a lot. That's super bold. I don't, have we ever had a year where four Titans did that? Nope.

This would probably be the first one. That's exciting. We're going to go to five. All right. Uh, okay, cool. Good start.

Good start. Let's talk about Alvin Camara here. We have a great excuse to talk about Alvin Camara. And it's this email from Andy in New York. Real quick, though, I want to talk about the draft-a-thon. The draft-a-thon is tonight. I'm going to ask Jamie to talk about HQ just because I am on the clock in this half PPR league and you probably want me to make a pick.

So, Jamie, tell us 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern on HQ. Yes, we will be doing the start of our draft-a-thon mock draft review, which is awesome. You're going to hear from a lot of different analysts throughout the night, but we're going to start the draft, and a lot of them are in this draft. We're going to start the draft coverage in the first two hours. We're going to be joined by a patient, a child who went through the St. Jude program and seems to be doing okay. I'm going to talk to him. He's a big Bills fan. I think he's going to join a patient who, you know, a child who went through the St. Jude program and, and, you know, it seems to be doing okay. You know, I'm going to talk to him. He's a big bills fan.

I think he's going to join us at some point on Twitch later in the season. So hopefully he's, he's going to accept that invitation live on the air. We're going to talk to a couple of of the best handicappers that we have to give you some player props and how that relates to fantasy. So we're gonna have some fun with that. And myself, Dave and Heath, similar to the show we did Adam a few weeks ago, we're going to have some fun with that. And myself, Dave, and Heath, similar to the show we did, Adam, a few weeks ago, we're going to give you some draft tips. So for those of you that are having your drafts this weekend,

I think it'll be some helpful conversation there. So draft reviews, some sleepers, breakouts, and busts. You know, part of what should be a fun night. Awesome. And then that's 6 to 8 p.m. on CBS Sports HQ. Download the CBS Sports HQ app. If you have the regular CBS app, CBS Sports app,

you can watch there. But, you know, I've got HQ, the app on my Roku, for example, and just watch it on TV from 6 to 8. From 8 p.m.,

really 7.45 p.m. until midnight, twitch.com slash fftoday. The other thing I want to tell you about is Friday, we'll have a mailbag.

I think we're having Chris Harris on as well. But we're going to do some emails, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com and your Apple podcast questions. So if you'd be kind enough to leave us a five-star review and ask us a question on

Apple podcast or on iTunes, we're going to read those on the air. So here's our excuse to talk about Alvin Kamara. Andy in New York writes this email. $100 donation to St. Jude if you address this on the podcast. In order to quell trade rumors, Kamara said he was recovering from a back epidural and will join the team on Wednesday.

Should Kamara drafters be worried about this level of pain management at this stage of the season? And I can confirm, Andy did make a $100 donation. So thank you so much to Andy. All right, let's talk about Alvin Kamara. Epidural in his back, a little unusual to see that, I guess, from an NFL running back. What are your levels of concern here? I actually reached out to two friends of mine who are doctors. One of them is an anesthesiologist. And both of them said that this is just, it shouldn't be that serious of an issue. Kamara's probably dealing with some back pain. And he's just taking a shot to

not have any pain for the next nine months. Can we talk about the anesthesiologist thing? No, no. All right, fine. Okay. So is anybody concerned enough to say he should not be a top four pick?

I mean, I had the fourth pick in this draft that you're referencing and I took him at four without hesitation. I wasn't planning on targeting Latavius Murray, but in round eight, he was the best player on the board. So I took Latavius Murray. So, you know, I feel a little bit more secure about that, but I'm not worried about Kamara at four. I think if you are, you take Dalvin Cook and you know, you deal with that risk, but, or you go the safe route and take Michael Thomas and PPR or even half PPR. But if you're going to take a running back,

I think still Kamara has the highest ceiling. Okay. And anything to add, Heath, or shall we move on? We shall. All right, we shall move on. We shall tell you about something that's totally awesome, completely free, and will save you money. We all shop online.

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for what that's worth. That would be so hysterical. Yeah. I mean, look, you got Sonny Michel banged up. Damien Harris has missed two days of practice. You know, Rex Burkhead,

we know is not a featured guy. So I think it's smart for a team to bring him in. I mean, look, he's going to cost you nothing. Well, Jamie, as we sit here on Wednesday afternoon,

is there any player that you are hesitant to draft because you think Leonard Fournette's gonna screw things up I mean I guess the one that would probably make me nervous just because it's not just Fournette it's also you know Devante Freeman is is Miles Sanders just because their backfield depth is so poor behind the top two guys so you have two players that are just you know coming off of heavy workloads and in Fournette's case you know a top former top five overall pick in the NFL draft why wouldn't you bring him in like why wouldn't you try and see if there's something there if his mindset's right and he you know can come in understanding that he's not going to be the featured guy.

That's how teams win, you know? So I don't think he's going to come in and ruin a locker room. I, you know, I know there's been some history in Jacksonville, but, um,

you know, he's been humbled clearly. So I think there's, there's an opportunity for him to sort of resurrect himself in the right spot. And, you know, any team that has a winning culture should try and see if they,

you know, at least bring him in for a workout and see what he has. He, he hasn't spoken in a while. I'm going to give you the next few news items. Here we go. AJ green as of yesterday was still limited with a hamstring injury. That's not great.

I still think like, it's hard for me to move him too much because there are very few players behind him who I could make the argument have more upside. But he is a mid rangerange number three wide receiver. It's really a boomer bust guy. And I'd really like to feel good about my top two receivers if I'm going to draft him. Does anybody have

Boyd ahead of him? Maybe you both do. I don't know. I think I just moved them today and I have them back to back. I think in PPR I did put Boyd one spot higher. I fight with it all the time. I have Green to have them i have them back to back i think in ppr i did put boyd one spot higher yeah i mean i fight with it all the time i have green to have them they're back to back for me too um and i have green ahead just on the upside because you know what he's done you know what he could potentially do if green is right he's gonna destroy boy yeah would you all

take marquis brown over aj green yes yes yeah would you take will fuller over aj green no yes Would you all take Marquise Brown over AJ Green? Yes. Yeah. Would you take Will Fuller over AJ Green? No. Yes. No. Okay. Let's see. Bruce Arian said he'll play it by ear

when asked about Rob Gronkowski's week one snaps. This is just getting worse and worse, isn't it? Mm-hmm. I remember that when he was signed, we were all kind of excited about Gronk. We didn't put him in the top five or anything, but I feel like camp has just not gone his way.

Yeah. So, yeah. Do you think, though, that it could end up being kind of an overreaction? Maybe he doesn't need to play that many snaps if he's in there on the red zone and it's just like getting, I don't know, the high-value targets, which I know is more of a running back term. The thing is is he's like sixth or seventh at tight end in our adp and he has a late sixth round adp so like we've been saying if you draft him as a low-end starter well there's

nothing certain with any of the low-end starters so i think that's fine and you might be right he might work in that regard just people need to make sure that they're not drafting based on his name as a surefire starter. That's the problem. 100%. Do you remember what happened last night in the Podcast League draft? No. Right before I drafted Rob Gronkowski? You lost Noah Fant. I did.

And then I lost my mind and I used a lot of four-letter words. Well, the same one just over and over again. I did not want to have to go to Rob Gronkowski. Green Bay rookie linebacker. But who else was available, though? Not Noah Fant. TJ Hawkinson.

We took Herndon late. I would take Herndon over Gronk. Yeah, I don't know. Who would do that? Who would take Herndon over Gronk? Not me. I would not. But they're in the exact same

I wouldn't have a preference. I'd just wait another round and take the one that was left. Okay. Let's see. So Green Bay potential starting linebacker Kamal Martin is out at least six weeks with a torn meniscus. Jason Peters is not going to play left tackle for the Eagles. Doug

Peterson said Peters has been great at right guard, which might be true or might just be their way of painting a brighter picture because Peters reportedly wanted more money to play left tackle. Safety Will Parks for the Eagles. He's out multiple weeks with a hamstring injury. Here's what Anthony Lynn said about quarterback Tyrod Taylor. Quote, right now, Tyrod Taylor is our starter. Until someone steps up and shows that they can run this team, that's the way we're going into it. Tyrod Taylor is our starter. Until someone steps up and shows that they can run this team, that's the way we're going into it. Tyrod Taylor is our starter.

Jamie, what's your interpretation of that? Let's go, baby. I mean, he's going to give them their best chance to win. I don't know if you've been watching Hard Knocks. I didn't get all the way through the episode on Tuesday night, but the part that I saw with Justin Herbert was, and Anthony Lynn, I think he's refreshing because I do think he's, he's a pretty honest and forthcoming coach. And he was saying, you know, we're trying to make him uncomfortable. He's struggling right now,

but it's how he comes through. That is what we want to see, you know? And so they've been throwing different packages at him and, um, you know, he's, he's not going to face a pass rush as good as what he's facing. I'm sorry. Are you talking about Taylor or? I'm talking about Herbert. And so Herbert's just not ready. And so, you know, why would you put him out there if he's not ready? So this is what we expected. We expected it to be Terod from the start.

And how far he goes is going to determine how good of a fantasy quarterback he is. I think I told you this, that, you know, Pete Prisco told me, while you drink your water. I just drank. Yeah, I know. I was anticipating. Nice. That Pete spoke to somebody in the Chargers organization

and said that they're running a lot of Baltimore packages. So we could see pretty hefty rushing total for Tyrod. Tyrod, excuse me. And given what just happened to them with mike williams going down and who knows how long he's going to be out like why wouldn't you want to try and and feature that and the only thing for me that i took away from it from a maybe rankings adjustment is if that's the case hunter henry could be an absolute monster in this system if that's the type of uh packages they're going to run because again william's down keenan allen

i think he's going to be okay i i know uh uh i don't remember which version of the show we're doing but um if if the bold prediction of keenan allen oh no that was the previous one um in any event uh i think we could see a scenario here of alan being good not great uh but hunter henry really benefiting if that's the case and dave you got auto picked if you want to back it up okay yeah i'm not sure who like which high-end quarterback has a tough week one matchup i don't know if it really exists but um tyrod taylor could be you know against the bang could be great. And he rushed for 600 yards, two straight seasons

in Buffalo. So this guy in a four-point-per-passing touchdown league on a per-game basis in both 2015 and 2016, I have him as top 10, 8th and 9th per game in four-point, 13th and 14th per game in six-point. So keep it in mind. And it's not just week

one. He goes Bengals, Chiefs, Panthers. Like he's probably a top 10 quarterback after three weeks. Wow. All right. Let's get through the rest of the news and notes here. And then we'll talk about how to draft in different formats. Chris Herndon and Demzo Mims returned to practice for the Jets. Van Jefferson is expected to be the Rams' number three wide receiver.

I'm so fascinated by what the Rams are going to do because I know Dave's all in on Tyler Higby, and I get it. But I spoke to Jordan Roderick of The Athletic, and she's fantastic if you're looking for Rams coverage. She sprinkles in some fantasy talk whenever she gets an opportunity to in her writing. And she said that it's going to be, you know, that third person, tight end receiver,

whoever it's going to be, Jefferson or Higby, has a chance to be really special. And they are doing everything they can to get Jefferson ready. They're lining him up in practice purposely opposite Jalen Ramsey and making him work against Ramsey as much as possible. And now Cooper cup has been banged up with this ankle injury. So he's getting a ton of reps. He's legit. And I know we had some question at the beginning of the draft, excuse me, following the NFL draft, is it going to be Van Jefferson or Josh Reynolds? That's not a case anymore. Jefferson is clearly the guy, you know,

there's a, there's an opportunity there without Brandon cooks. So if Jefferson is legit, Higby is going to have a hard time reaching a ceiling. And if Higby is as good as he was last year, it's going to be hard for Jefferson to maybe have this, this rookie, you know, performance that maybe some people are hoping for, but I think he's an absolute late round flyer. Like I took him, Todd and I, Todd is the person I shared the podcast league team with.

We took him with our last pick in a 14 round 14 team draft. It was, it was, I was happy to get him in that type of format. Do you think they're rushing him because Cup's injury is worse than they're saying? No, I think McVay's addressed it time and time again. I don't think it's serious. So did Cup.

I don't think it's serious. I hope not. Robert Tanyan expected to begin the season ahead of Jay Sternberger as Green Bay's pass-catching tight end, according to The Athletic. Not necessarily fantasy-relevant, but in Dynasty Leagues, not good for Sternberger. Kenyon Drake close to returning to full practice,

and Tyrell Williams is out for the season. Heath, does that benefit anyone in particular on the Raiders? I mean, it benefits everyone to a small degree. I think that the most fantasy-relevant pass catcher is still going to be Darren Waller, and this is one less person that he has to beat out to get over 100 targets again. I think he has a pretty good shot at doing that.

Not quite as many as he had last year. Ruggs is the only wide receiver I'm really drafting in the first 12 to 13 rounds, and Jamie said this on HQ today. This means Brian Edwards is almost certainly going to be a starter, so that's good for him. I be a starter. So that's, that's good for him. I just don't like somebody that's pigeonholed into the outside,

big receiver role with Derek Carr. You pretty much have to do what Tyrell did last year, which was catch a touchdown every game with 50 yards to be relevant. He was not a big target getter. He never had more than seven last four weeks of the season. Williams had either three or four targets, something like that each, each week. So not like a big vacancy of targets here all right

let's get into it uh before we talk about the formats a big shout out to Rob Mack from Michigan Rob wanted to enter our podcast league his submission came though after we did the day of the draft basically so I didn't get him in but Rob works for the public health department he wanted to give a shout out to his colleagues. They're working really hard on the public health side of COVID. And I want to give a shout out to them as well. And just to thank you to everyone.

And he says they've been working seven days a week, night and day since COVID started to keep pressing on. That's his colleagues in the public health departments around the world. So thank you to everybody out there, whether you're in the public health department, whether you're in a hospital, whether you're in the public health department, whether you're in a hospital, whether you're a first responder,

whatever it is, we thank you so much for everything you've done. It's been a very trying year. Our email of the day comes from Nick in Chicago. Can you guys do half PPR rankings or highlight a list of players and where they rank in half PPR? Like where's Austin Eckler in half PPR?

I'm drafting him 12th. So does he go beforeler in half PPR? I'm drafting him 12th. So does he go before that in half PPR? So basically, let's start new formats, different formats that we don't always talk about. And how does your strategy change in half PPR? And who are some players whose value changes quite a bit? If people are drafting on CBS, they won't get half PPR rankings. What do they need to know, Dave?

I think they need to know that it is what it is. You're not getting the full point for a catch like you would for a full PPR league. So certain players that are more volume-based, whether we're talking about running backs like James White and Tariq Cohen or wide receivers like Jarvis Landry and Julian Edelman, they're not going to be as valuable. And I definitely sometimes find myself going back and forth between my non-PPR rankings and my full PPR rankings when I'm doing a half PPR draft. I almost think, and I've said the opposite before, so maybe I'm not the best person to

ask about this, but maybe we're at a point now where non-PPR rankings are probably the better way to go when you're drafting in a half PPR league because now we're not overvaluing those players that are expected to get a ton of catches, but not a ton of yards and touchdowns. Anyone want to follow up on that? Are you more likely to go running back, running back in half PPR than you are in full PPR? Because I think certainly in non-PPR, you're more likely to take two running backs early. What about in half PPR? Because I think certainly in non-PPR, you're more likely to take two running backs early. What about in half PPR, Heath? The main thing for me is I feel like Tariq Cohen, James White, probably Gibson as well, if he could get to their level.

Those type of guys, I don't draft in non-PPR. And I think they're undervalued in full PPR, and I just feel a little wishy-washy. Those are the guys that I feel like lose the most going from PPR to half PPR. Jamie? Dave? Yeah, sorry. I was just going to follow up with Heath.

How do you feel about guys like the receivers I mentioned, like Landry and Edelman? Yeah, I mean, similar. Right. Okay. I don't value those guys as much clearly as i wouldn't ppr i think that's probably obvious but i would to your point adam i would lean still more toward the running backs than receivers if it's close so unless you're talking about like james and crowder obviously is another guy that you know benefits in any sort of pPR value, even in half. So he gets a bump.

But I think you just look at the high-volume running backs are still going to be very important. And the hope would be the guys like the Josh Jacobs, the Joe Mixons, those guys that you're looking at the top that we're hoping to be 40 catch guys, they still stay in that range that I would look at them in non-PPR more so than full PPR. Okay. Where does Michael Thomas go?

In full PPR, I think people are very comfortable taking him fifth. What about in half PPR? I'm taking him at the same place, but I think if you're taking Clyde ahead of Michael Thomas, you're taking Dalvin Cooks, that pumps him down to seven in PPR

for most people besides me on this podcast. I don't know, though, that I'm still taking him at six or five. I think the only other receiver after those guys that has a super high catch potential is Eckler.

And we've talked about Eckler not coming near 90 catches, whatever he had last year. He's probably going to be closer to 60, which is still going to be better than maybe Miles Sanders, better than Joe Mixon, definitely better than Derrick Henry. So I might still take Eckler ahead of Michael Thomas. I would probably couch him at about eighth overall in a half PPR. definitely better than derrick henry so i might still take eckler ahead of michael thomas i would probably couch him at about eighth overall and a half ppr but like here's a good example derrick henry i have projected to score 37 more fantasy points than eckler and non-ppr in full ppr i have eckler scoring 16 more fantasy points than henry um they're back-to-back

in half PPR, and Henry has the edge. Right. Okay. And in non-PPR, is it just like running backs or king? Yes. For me, in round one, that's how it is. I think I have Michael Thomas 12th in non-PPR. Okay.

That makes a huge difference. Did anybody, by the way end up with davante adams ahead of michael thomas and non-ppr no nope no kept michael thomas one okay so um other formats let's talk about like three three receivers versus two receivers uh we did a draft last night with only two wide receivers and a flex, of course. But Heath, how much do things change for you when you need to start three receivers and there's also a flex? Yeah. I mean, for me, in a full PPR league where you're starting three wide receivers and a flex, that makes wide receivers and running backs, that's the equalizer.

They are... Because you're talking about a situation where replacement level at running back might be 28 to 30 running backs and replacement level at wide receivers like 42 to 45 wide receivers. And so that makes the replacement cost much closer. And the fact that those wide receivers are also going to score more points than running backs. So I think that's like, for me, it's not what happens when you have three wide receivers because almost all of our leagues do it's what happens when you only have two and that's the point where I'm like well I'm just going to take a bunch of running backs then yeah like there's a there's a reason however many years ago people started playing PPR and started playing three

wide receiver leagues because they wanted to elevate wide receivers value to be closer to running backs. Right, right. That makes sense. And I went pretty running back heavy in our draft last night, which was only two wide receivers and a flex, two running backs, two wide receivers and a flex. And I missed those leagues, quite frankly.

I wish all of our leagues basically weren't three wide receivers, but I guess it's a sign of the times. That's how most people play, though. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if that's true. 60%? I'm not sure. I would love to know. That would be most.

Yeah, but it's not like we should ignore leagues that don't do that, you know? No, but I think we can explain why we think it's better to have more starting lineup spots. Because the most frustrating thing is when you've got three wide receivers ranked between 20 and 25 or 20 and 30 on your team, and you inevitably choose the wrong one every week. What I would prefer, honestly, is if we did just two flexes.

Two flexes. Yeah, we need a standard. We need to make that the standard. But then we're letting people start four running backs. Yeah. Well, if you were doing that. In PPR, you're not going to get four stud pass-catching running backs. So then make people make that decision.

Preston Williams versus Latavius Murray. Who are you going to start in your second flex? Well, couldn't you also, if you wanted to do two running backs and two wide receivers and two flexes, why not do tiered PPR where you can do running backs with half PPR and receivers and tight ends with full PPR. And that gives the advantage right back to the wide receivers. I think the only thing is,

is like, you know, we, we want to make things more complicated. I don't think a lot of people want to make things more complicated. I think a lot of people like to just look at a box for the ticker and say, that guy's got me 20 points. I'm good. Wait, so if you're playing in a full PPR league with two running backs, two wide receivers, and two flex options, you think that greatly favors

running backs? In non-PPR? No, full PPR. In full PPR? No, I don't think it favors running backs at all. I think you're going to end up seeing what people would like to see, which is to play one of each. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm only referencing, we had our half PPR auction that was set up just that way,

except it was half PPR. And great wide receivers were going for six bucks. Is that just the depth of the position? Well, if you only have to start two of them, yeah, I think so. There is, to me at least, a pretty big difference in my mind, half PPR versus full PPR. Which both directions, though. Yeah, it makes me want running backs more as a flex, I guess. my mind half PPR versus full PPR, you know, which both directions though. Yeah.

It makes me want running backs more as a, as a flex, I guess, or at least it makes me want better running backs. Um, if I'm in a full PPR league that starts three receivers, whatever, uh,

I can get by with an okay RB two. If an, and a half PPR league, RB two is much more valuable, much more important to me, much more of a priority. Would you guys agree with that? Yep.

I think that's... Yeah. Yeah. But that's if you build your team with a lot of receivers and one running back early on, and you just accept the fact that, all right, I'll struggle a little bit at my second running back spot, but look at these amazing receivers that I have. But that's much easier to do in full PPR than half PPR, right? I mean, I think it's easier to do

almost regardless of format. More palatable, though, I mean, in full PPR. Because PPR boosts up everybody. But, you know, for all the running backs, it boosts up wide receivers more than running backs because they catch the pass. Yeah, I mean, it boosts up

everybody. You feel a lot better about, you know, I don't know. Well, no, I don't like the, the receivers that can get you five for 50 or five for 60 each week. It boosts up wide receipt. It boosts up wide receivers first and foremost. Right. So Ronald Jones, Dave, let's talk about Ronald Jones, right? I'm much happier with him in a half PPR league than obviously in a non-PPR league,

then half, then full. That makes sense. Yep. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. In a half PPR league, RB2 just becomes more of a priority than in a full PPR league. I mean, that's pretty self-explanatory.

That's kind of an Acer fantasy tip. So we don't have to keep expanding on that. Let's do 10 team leagues versus 14 team leagues or versus 12 team leagues. Let's start with 10 team leagues. And Jamie, what changes for you in a 10 team league? I'd like to have as many top tier guys as I possibly can from the standpoint of like,

I would not be hesitant to go earlier on quarterback and certainly try and prioritize Kelsey and Kittle and maybe even Andrews. That's the first two in the, in the second round and Andrews in the third, because you're going to find so many good players at running back and wide receiver in the middle to the end of the draft that you wouldn't normally have in a 12 team league or larger. So, uh, for example, um, I had a buddy of mine who was picking second in a 10 team PPR league. And he's like, a lot of us would probably say, you know, wait on quarterback, wait on tight end. And he's like, you know, the, the, the way my league drafts and the, the way I've been doing some mock drafts, I'm seeing Kittle and Mahomes and Jackson when it

gets back to me in round two. And I said, okay, well take two of those guys, you know, if you can in rounds two and three Kittle first, and then see if one of the quarterbacks get back to you, because I don't think anybody's taking both quarterbacks right after you pick. So he, he, you know, was, was certainly intrigued by that and that's how I would, I would play it like that. You know, I would take Kittle because I think that's a good spot for him and then i would i would take a chance

in the third round on mahomes or jackson if they're sitting there yeah that makes sense and in a 14 team league do you take the opposite approach do you try to have more balance on your roster or like wait on the deep you know quarterback being so deep tight end being fairly deep like do you just wait on those positions you're more likely to do that in a 14 team league i think you wait on one i don't know if you want to wait on both right just because it you could end up in a little bit of a tough spot so in in our draft i don't know how you guys played it i really haven't looked at your teams in the podcast league but um todd and i we we took dak prescott in round five and that's not something i do very often

so we took dak and then we took gaseck you know, so, um, I was thrilled with that, uh, combination and we took a second tight end, Chris Herndon. So, you know, I feel like I'm covered. I feel like we're covered at those two spots with an elite level quarterback and then two tight ends, I think that have tremendous upside. So I wouldn't necessarily try and go early on both those spots, but I also wouldn't try and wait on both those spots unless you just happen to fall into some good players because quarterbacks fall in and I think uh if I saw the draft room last night quarterbacks were falling right and I think I saw one of Heath's comments like did your breeze retire yeah um yeah breeze fell fell really far I did take I did the same thing though I think that's

actually interesting not waiting on both tight end and quarterback because I took Kyler Murray and I took Rob Gronkowski Dave how about how about you? 10 team versus 14 team. It's basically exactly what Jamie said. You want to try and get a couple more superstars at the positions that you wouldn't necessarily prioritize when you're in a smaller league because everybody's going to have a great team if there's only 10 managers or eight managers. Everyone's going to have all-stars. So try and collect as many all-stars as you can, knowing that the depth is going to be there at every single position. I mean, every position will be pretty deep. Running back's still the thinnest,

but you're still going to be able to get to around seven or eight and see faces that you'll be happy to have on your team. And you don't get that in 14-team leagues. So maybe while you only pick one of the positions between quarterback and tight end to prioritize in a deep league, maybe you kind of put an extra emphasis on one of running back or wide receiver in those deeper leagues. Maybe you'll start your draft with two running backs, a wide receiver, and a quarterback

in a 14-team league. And at least you've got some good pieces in place to build out a roster because the depth is really going to get tested in those formats. Does anybody think about the waiver wire when you draft? In other words, what is the waiver wire going to look like throughout the season? In a 10 team league, it's going to be pretty loaded, probably particularly at quarterback, maybe everything but running back. Heath, in a 14-team league, especially at running back, it's going to be really tough. Do you think about that when you draft?

Well, I think it's a good case for taking more boom-bust players in a 10-team league and focusing on floor just a little bit more in a 14-team league. Yeah, because it's not going to be much. That's one of the problems with a 10-team league. You can draft pretty bad and still get good players most weeks off the waiver. Yeah. That's why you got to start more flexes, right?

How many flexes are we going to have in the For the People League? Which, by the way, you've ceded commissioner responsibility to me. I am changing nothing. Okay. So, whatever. If I remember correctly, it was two flexes and a super flex. It was. And it was half a point per first down. Oh, gosh. So, it was two flexes and a super flex. And it was half a point per first down.

So it's going to be awesome. Oh, man. Yeah, we did the 14-team podcast league last night. I don't know if you guys tried anything different. I did because this is what I'm getting at. In these 14-team leagues and obviously deeper, I really kind of hate my team right now, but I'm built for the long haul because I know running back is impossible

to find throughout the year, especially this is a fab league. So if one good one pops up on waivers, if there's an injury or something, there's going to be such aggressive bidding. So I wanted to put myself in a position where I drafted five running backs for my first seven picks or something like that in a 14 team league. So my number, my wide receiver two is Darius Slayton. I obviously am weak there. Um, so that was a

priority for me because I'm sick and tired. Last year I had great wide receivers, crappy running backs didn't make the playoffs. So I'm tired of not being able to find anything. If you have good running backs in a deep league, you can trade them. They have great trade value. So I wanted to give it a shot. We'll see how it works. It's a bit experimental.

I don't know. Did any of you try anything in this 14-team league that might benefit our listeners? I mean, you know, I don't usually share teams. So, you know, it's probably not the best example

because I was trying to make the experience fun for my co-manager in Todd Rohns. So, I mean, I'll give you just something in terms of player versus player. I haven't drafted Odell Beckham at all. And we had a conversation of Beckham versus Amari Cooper versus Terry McLaurin. I've drafted a lot of McLaurin and I think the ceiling might be a little bit higher for him, but if Beckham's Beckham, I mean, you know, he could be just amazing. And so I gave, you know, Todd the choice and he said, let's, you know, take a chance on, on Beckham, maybe so because it's a 14 team league. And if he hits and he's great, then,

you know, he's got league winning upside. But, um, you know, other than that, I don't know if there was much different, there wasn't a much different approach um but again it wasn't just me doing the drafting so i don't know if that's the again the best basis of comparison we followed your strategy adam where we wanted to get a decent amount of running backs the bench really doesn't show it but we did spend a lot of early capital our first two picks we had the back-to-back picks and we got we got mixon and drake back to back at 14 15 we were really really excited about that this is a full ppr league just so everybody knows yep right um singletary was a

pick later on and damian harris was a pick later on and honestly i would have preferred if we had taken a few more running backs along the way but we we decided to fire a couple of fun shots toward the end of the draft when there weren't a lot of good running backs anyway. One of the things that I've been excited to do in our drafts and in drafts that aren't for publication is just take value late. And a couple of examples of that. One is Logan Thomas is a tight end just in case he ends up doing well week one. Well, that's a guy that we've got on our bench. I don't know if he's got huge sleeper appeal, but it looks like he's the starting tight

end for Washington. And, you know, I'm sharing the team like Jamie sharing his team. I'm sharing mine with Joey and Joey wanted Alshon Jeffrey for the exact same reason. And I'm not an Alshon fan. I think that's been made pretty clear. But if we have to wait just a week or two for him to play and Philadelphia doesn't have Jalen Rager and they're falling apart everywhere else, then maybe Alshon is good enough

to be at least the number three receiver or flex. Getting in with your last pick, you could do worse than that. We had the same thing with Mike Williams. Todd wanted Mike Williams and I haven't drafted him very much at all. He said, hey, look, if he plays by week two or come October,

he could be a two or, you know, come October, he could be, you know, a flex or a forced receiver in a format like this. Do you remember what round that was? I know he took Van Jefferson last. I think it was the second to last round. Perfect. And I made a mistake. I took Chris Herndon in a different draft. I didn't take Herndon in this league,

so I just took Koseki at tight end. Right. And if Williams doesn't pan out in the first couple of weeks, you're going to dump them. He'll probably be the most dumpable player you've got on your bench and you'll find somebody else. Him or Jefferson. But I mean,

again, you have to take some swings and you know, Jeffrey falls in that category. I think Williams falls in that category. You know, I mean, you've seen these guys, you know,

certainly as recently as last year for Williams and we know what Jeffrey and Wentz mean to each other. So those are the type of guys that they may seem icky, but their roles in their offense could be decent. But it's more so you take these chances in either when you have more rounds or more players that you're competing against. And so those are the type of moves you have to make.

But to illustrate my point about why I took running backs, we did the draft last night. It's over. So here are, based on projections, some of the best running backs available for week one. Adrian Peterson. You could make a case he should be rostered here. He should have been drafted for sure.

Lamar Miller, Justin Jackson, Gus Edwards, Cordero Patterson. Maybe he could do something against Detroit. I don't really see. I don't really. I'm just going to stop there. Jackson and Peterson should have been drafted in this league. Wide receiver. We've got.

Let's see. Greg Ward. This is really not helping my case. These wide receivers suck. D.D. Westbrook, Cole Beasley, Danny Amendola, Greg Ward. This is really not helping my case. These wide receivers suck. D.D. Westbrook, Cole Beasley, Danny Amendola, Josh Reynolds. I mean, I think... I promise you, throughout the year, wide receivers will pop up that are good,

that are going to get you 10 to 12 points and give you something, you know, if you... Right, but I think there's, you know, anytime it's a 14-team league, there's not going to be great players anywhere, you know, unless you have a three- or four-man bench. Except quarterback. Quarterback, I'd say.

Right. But even then, I mean, you know, unless Heath took him, you know, Gardner Minshew may be the best guy on waivers. Phillip Rivers, Tyrod Taylor, they're on waivers. I would say Minshew or Tyrod. You know, those are going to be the two that most... Minshew is available.

How about that? I think the counterpoint that Ben Gretch would say to what you were saying, Adam, is you're right. There are more wide receivers that are going to pop up that will score you 10 points for sure. There probably will not be

a league-winning wide receiver that pops up in the waiver wire. There's more likely to be a running back. But I think what ben would have done in this scenario is he would have taken his two well he would have taken probably four wide receivers with his first five picks let's just say right i mean we've seen do that a lot and then he would have just started throwing a lot of i mean i'll pull up his team he would have started throwing a lot of capital at running back except i know i ruined him twice by taking Antonio Gibson and, and Boston Scott,

which I was happy to do. But yeah, like looking at his team, he's got Camara. Okay. Then I'm going to guess his next four picks were Mike Evans, Juju Smith, Schuster,

Marquise Brown, and Zachary. Oh, you want me to confirm this? No, I don't know the draft order, but I can see it. He's got Christian Kirk on his bench, Mecole Hardman on his bench. Oh my gosh, he took Christian Kirk over Julian Edelman. Which is good because he kept saying that.

Why is that bad? Because Julian Edelman went 92nd overall in a 14-team full PPR league. He was the best value. He was on the board for way too long. But I digress. Okay, so back to the matter at hand, how to draft in different formats.

What have we not gotten to? Four point per passing touchdown versus six point per passing touchdown. How much does that change things, Dave? The question, I'm sorry. Four point versus six point. Well, it obviously downgrades quarterback even more, and it upgrades

those quarterbacks that are going to run and pick up rushing yardage and rushing touchdowns because those are still going to count for six. Yeah. Do you take Lamar Jackson ahead of Patrick Mahomes in four point? Yeah. Do you take Lamar Jackson ahead of Patrick Mahomes in four point? Yes.

Yep. Do you take Lamar Jackson in round two in a four point per passing touchdown league? Nope. You could. You could take him in late round two. In round three? Only in two quarterback leagues. In two quarterback leagues.

Good luck getting him in round two. Let's do a fun exercise. I don't know if that's good. Patrick Mahomes, James Conner. Let's just do those two. Okay, Patrick Mahomes or James Conner in different formats. In a 10-team league, Patrick Mahomes or James Conner? Conner.

Mahomes. Mahomes. In a 12-team league, Patrick Mahomes or James Connor? Connor. Connor. And in a 14-team league, it's Connor? Yep. Okay.

Four point for passing touchdown league. Patrick Mahomes or Tyler Lockett? Lockett. How many teams? 12. Lockett? Lockett. How many teams? 12. Lockett. I'd probably still go Mahomes. Mahomes.

Dave, six points for passing touchdown league. Mahomes or Lockett? Ooh, I didn't think this would be so tough. No. Oh, you love Lockett. I forgot. Yeah, I do.

I think I might have taken Mahomes over Lockett in the draft we just did, though. Okay, so I'm just going to say Mahomes there. Sure. All right, how about leagues with big play bonuses? Do you have any advice for those? You should target players who make big plays. Such as?

Is Tyreek Hill better than Devontae Adams and Michael Thomas? No. I mean, that's the thing. I think we probably are not going to do a good job on something like that. Because it's in time like is it is 20 yards a big play is 30 yards a big play is it one point is it two points is it four points is it six like i okay there's no set standard for that type of league at all and i kind of despise them sam oh i hate them um also i don't really know how many... It's hard when your guys catch 50-yard touchdowns.

Yeah, it drives me crazy. Any return yard specialists that we need to know about? Me call Hardman. Yep. What's his name? Harris in New Orleans. He led

the league in return yards last year and just does nothing other than that is cordell or patterson going to be returning again for the bears returning kicks they'd be stupid not to well they're talking about using him as running back right that's why i asked but like he's so good their solution week one with montgomery out uh jakeem grant yep that's a great one tyler lockett gets a little boost he won it full-time, but he does it enough to where it helps him a little. Heath, how do you approach a two-kicker league? He quits.

He quits the league immediately. He leaves, yeah. Who's more upset about kickers, you or Jake Sealy? Jake Sealy. I know you're asking Heath, but the answer is Jake Sealy. That's his brand. Jake is more vocal about his discontent. We have the draft-a-thon that he's a part of,

and he did the draft with us. And so Jake, which I relented on this one, in the IDP draft, he said if we were going to play it out, he wouldn't do it unless i i took kickers out of it so i did just because i didn't want to deal with the headache is that was it like come on come on in this in this in this draft last year this uh for our draft time we call it the telethon draft last year um he got into a discussion with bryant mcfadden a former nfl player two-time super bowl champion because bryant Greg Zerlein, I think, in like round 10.

And, you know, Jake was making fun of him. His head exploded. Right. And so Jake said he would only play in the league if, or no, he didn't say. He said he would like to play in a league where he didn't have to start a kicker. He would just take a zero with that spot.

So everybody else could start a kicker. He would take a zero because he's actually won a league doing this. So now he just, in leagues where he has to start a kicker. He would just take a zero with that spot. So everybody else could start a kicker. He would take a zero because he's actually won a league doing this. So now he just, in leagues where he has to play a kicker, I think he does this all the time. I know he did it with our draft. He drafted a kicker that he will not play. Why?

I don't know. That's so strange. I love Jake, but that is so weird. Hey, I'll take the three points against him. I don't care. I don't know. That's really, that's strange.

I would hate to, you know, need to get into the playoffs and Jake has to beat this other opponent and I need to win my league and Jake loses by three points because he didn't start a kicker. Like that would be, it's not competitive. I don't know. Whatever, I'm not trying to insult Jake.

I just don't get it. I don't know why people are so upset about having kickers. You know, kickers are people. We like them. We got to do some bold predictions here. If it's your league, like Heath can do what he wants to as the commissioner of his league, which is fine. But if you get invited to a league, he plays kickers.

You play a kicker? Play a kicker. Big deal. Hey, by the way, speaking of leagues, right? Draft season's here. If your league can't make picks in person this year, we've partnered with Google Meet

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First three team names for LaVisca Chenault. Livin' LaVisca Loca, LaVisca's Flow, and LaVisca for the Biscuit. Okay, great. Thank you, everybody, for your LaVisca Chenault team names. Heath, give us round two of bold predictions. Round two of bold predictions. Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't know.

I had my second one, but then i know i think jamie's second one is like this i'm trying to change it real quick i'm sorry okay jamie you want to go yeah you can use the sean watson i'll i'll take his his uh his guy uh will fuller if you play 16 games will be a top 15 wide receiver top 15 okay will fuller. Uh, Heath, Deshaun Watson will set career highs and passing yards, passing touchdowns and fantasy points. Wow. Even the dogs like that one, Dave.

Uh, first of all, if Will Fuller plays 16 games, he'll be like a top 12 receiver and unicorns will exist. I, uh, I'll say Ronald Jones gets 1400 total yards and 10 touchdowns. Speaking of unicorns.

That would be awesome. That would be great. Dave, I'm rooting for that one big time. Who's got more? Dave, you got another one? I got one more. All right. Terod Taylor will connect with Keenan Allen for the second most yardage he's had with a receiver in his career.

It's going to be 850 yards with five touchdowns. That's not a very productive player. Keenan Allen, 850 and five. Heath, round two. It's good news for Austin Eckler. This is round three. Round three. This is round three.

And I'll say Hayden Hurst will be the number three tight end and score more fantasy points than Austin Hooper ever did in Atlanta. I love it. I like it. Yeah. Okay love it. I like, yeah. Okay. Jamie?

I got to go to your radio after this, but my third one will be that Chris Herndon and Blake Jarwin will be this year's Darren Waller and Mark Andrews. So two top five tight end. Wow. All right. We got some, bye, Jamie. We got some bold predictions.

Got to go. Bye. Got some bold predictions from the listeners. I've been trying to look this up for so long, and I finally found it. So let me just tell everybody. In 2019, in non-PPR leagues,

looking at the top 36 players, in non-PPR, there were 19 running backs. In half PPR, there were 16 running backs. In full PPR, only 13 running backs in half PPR there were 16 running backs in full PPR only 13 running backs were top 36 players and six of the top seven were running backs. So it was like running back, running back, crazy running backs,

then mostly wide receivers. Wow. So like this year, maybe it's like the top five or six picks should be running backs and then we should go crazy on wide receivers. That's one way to look at it. Yeah. But remember how like don't forget how bad the round two wide receivers were last

year odell beckham juju smith schuster antonio brown like they were terrible last year but yeah only 13 running backs in the top 36 in full ppr compared to 19 running backs in non-PPR. Wide receivers in non-PPR, 16 wide receivers were top 36, but only three of the top 15 in non-PPR. Whereas there were, let's see, six of the top 13 in full PPR were wide receivers. So again, wide receivers, non-PPR, 16 wide receivers were top 36,

half PPR, 19, full PPR, 20. Big difference in terms of scoring. Here's what we've got from our listeners. From Andrew Patrick, DJ Moore will be top five PPR this year. I have it ranked that way. It's not bold. I think it's bold even if you do have it ranked that way. From David Mendelsohn,

CeeDee Lamb will be a borderline number one wide receiver. Now that's... Is that bold or is that preposterous? I think it's pretty preposterous. I think it's preposterous too, but I've been moving CeeDee Lamb up in my rankings. I'm starting to get really excited about him. From... You know, I find it interesting that we

seem to have erased the concerns about rookie wide receivers. You want to know why? It's not all rookie wide receivers, but in the case of Lamb and I would say Judy and in the case of a couple of running backs, I guess maybe just Edwards

Hilaire and maybe Jonathan Taylor and J.K. Dobbins. These guys, they were really great prospects coming out. They were really prepared couple of running backs maybe just edwards hilaire and and maybe jonathan taylor and jk dobbins like these guys they were really great prospects coming out they were really prepared for the next level and they're proving it and also like not as excited as we get about chanel or judy or lamb or rugs or whoever nobody has them ranked in the top 36 wide receivers and no one's drafting them in the first seven rounds. It's not like anyone's actually you do it? I might take CeeDee Lamb toward the end of round seven in a full PPR.

And I'm moving Amari Cooper down. Do you know that the Cowboys website, someone ranked all the receivers from training camp and they put CeeDee Lamb number one? I'm very excited for his career. I think he's going to be just tremendous. I agree. I'm so glad

I got him in Dynasty. From Jord, Antonio Gibson is this year's Miles Sanders second half breakout. I love Antonio Gibson too. I bet he looks a lot like Miles Sanders in the first half. You don't think he could get four to five catches per game?

Remember, he's not a traditional running back. But Dave, I think for him to be a breakout star in the second half, he's also going to have to get the carries. Right.

So something bad would have to happen to Adrian Peterson and maybe even Peyton Barber for that to happen. Like I've said all along, I think that his game is going to be catches

and what he does is a receiver. And I would put him under 80 carries on the year. Let's rapid fire this from Nick Riley. Nick Chubb, number one fantasy running back. That's bold. I don't think it's going to happen. Wolf, Adam Troutman finishes weeks 8 through 16

as tight end 8. I like Troutman. Me too. And I don't like the guy in front of him. So maybe from Tyler Gallup, top 15 wide receiver fans, top four wide for type four, tight end, top four, tight end.

Deandre Swift, top rookie running back. Like the Gallup went a lot. That's the only one I like. AJ green, top 12 wide receiver. It's not that bold. I mean, it sort of is, but it kind of is, right? We got better.

We can talk about better ones. Yeah. Diggs top five wide receiver. That's not happening. Zach Moss is going to mirror Miles Sanders rookie season. That's more likely than Antonio Gibson. You're drafting Moss before Gibson Gibson I think that goes without saying Ronald Jones still sucks

this shouldn't be bold but listening to the show I can't believe the love he's getting a lot of people feel that way because they remember what he did last year and they're not paying attention to what he's done in the last 5-6 months wasn't that bad last year though that's the thing

yeah but he wasn't getting the opportunities Heath has outlined this marvelously in the last five, six months. Wasn't that bad last year, though. That's the thing. Yeah, but he wasn't getting the opportunities. Heath has outlined this marvelously. Oh, no, I get that, but it's not like he sucked his rookie year. He didn't suck last year. There were still... Suck is still nice of a word for his rookie year. Right.

There were still things he sucked at last year. He was really good at certain things as well. I think the Ronald Jones sucks thing would be week one, he whiffs on a blitz pickup and then drops a pass. But even in that case, he's still probably a top 30 running back. That's not why we're drafting him. I'm going to call it a day here, guys. I'm going to wrap it up.

We are going to talk to everybody on Twitch and HQ tonight for the draft a thon and tomorrow also on Twitch tomorrow night but tomorrow we'll have a brand new podcast for you we do a live mock draft of listeners today for Jamie for Heath I'm Adam see you at the draft a thon have a good one everybody