Fantasy Football Today - Drafting in Different Formats: Non/0.5/Full PPR; 2-WR vs. 3-WR; SuperFlex and More (08/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

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It's a no-I-can. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome, everybody, to Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. It is Tuesday morning. It is August 20th, and we have a format show for you. What's the format of today's show?

Well, we're going to start out with some ADP stuff and some news and notes and then some non-format stuff. And then we're going to get into the difference between half PPR and full PPR. Is there a big difference? Are quarterbacks more valuable in non-PPR leagues? Is this the year to wait on quarterback in a super flex league? Are auction leagues the greatest thing since sliced bread? Yes.

Do you like sliced bread or would you prefer a pita or a wrap or a roll? I mean, I'm a fatty. I'll eat it all. Sliced bread is really like very low on the bread food chain. But anyway, welcome Adam Azer, Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg as well. Jamie, we're going to get a riser, a preseason riser from you in a little bit because we didn't get that yesterday. But I'm

going to start with a game that we played on CBS Sports Network last week. Whose ADP is higher over the last four days based on NFC ADP? 50 drafts. Whose ADP is higher over the last four days based on NFC ADP? 50 drafts. Whose ADP is higher over the last four days? Saquon Barkley or Jameer Gibbs? And this is usually half PPR league,

so Saquon Barkley or Jameer Gibbs? Who's higher? I guess Barkley, but the fact that you're asking this makes me think that you're doing the okey-doke on us and it's Gibbs.

But I will say Saquon is higher. There it is. There's a wrong buzzer. You don't get it. He did it again. You rascal. They're back to back. They're very close.

Gibbs slightly higher. Who would you guys rather have in half PPR, Barkley or Gibbs? Barkley. Barkley has them now. All right. Whose ADP is higher over the last four days? Drake London or Kyron Williams? Drake London.

I'll say Kyron. It is unbelievably Drake London. I don't, I don't, I get, I get that, but is that, that's like, that's crazy? I mean, I would take Drake London over. Over Kyron Williams? No way. Not even in full PPR, much less half PPR.

You and a lot of other people, Jamie, I'll say that. I think I want to... Hold on. Isn't NFC very receiver tilted? Yes, it is. Yeah, okay. So that makes more sense. At that point in the draft, not really. But yeah, I guess maybe it starts there. But I thought Kyron Williams

Most competitive drafts are receiver heavy. That's not true. There's plenty of competitive leagues. I'm sorry. Most high stakes drafts. I'll rephrase. That I agree. Yeah, but you're saying, Jamie, that even in a casual league with your buddies, you're taking London over Kyron Williams. Oh, I would. I'm just answering the ADP question. Yes.

Alright, so tomorrow's Beyond the Box score. I want to get into Kyron Williams with with Jacob and Dan and see if we'll watch some film. We'll go through advanced stats, blocking schemes and things like that, because Kyron Williams averaged 20 points per game last year. And he's going after Drake London, who's never even been a top 40 wide receiver. I think Kyron Williams is it's like an inflection point in your draft. OK, DeAndre Swift. He could be sighing over and over again at those results. DeAndre Swift or Zamir White. Who's going earlier?

In NFC? Last four days. Swift. Swift. That is correct. Agree? No. No, I would take White, but they're getting closer to each other by the day. Malik Neighbors or Michael Pittman? Who do you think is going earlier?

Neighbors. I would hope it's neighbors. Where is my... Oh, he's about to... It is Pittman. That one really surprised me. Pittman's going ahead of a lot of guys. Yeah, I'm very, very out on Michael Pittman.

I wonder what the people, let me tell you some of the wide receivers that Michael Pittman is going ahead of. Hold on one second. He's going ahead of Mike Evans, Deebo Samuel, Malik Neighbors, DJ Moore, Brandon Ayuk, Devante Smith. Awesome.

Good for them. Okay. Listen, I got a lot of stuff to talk about today. The Podcast League. You want in the Podcast League? That is next Monday night, the 26th at 9 p.m. Eastern time. You can be, I know we're putting these up for a lot of money. I get that.

It's $500 minimum. So far, four of the six spots that we have available have been bid on. So they're going to go for at least $500. If you go to tinyurl.com slash draftathon2024, you click on the auction houses. You'll see that auction houses, the view auction house. It'll take you to a page with all of the six spots that are available in the podcast league, including the number one overall pick, the number 14 pick, eight, nine, four, and 12, I think. You can bid on them, and we'll see who the highest bidder is. Here we go.

Here's some of the results. $500 for the one spot, 510 for the four, 500 for the 12, 500 for the 14th. No bids yet on spots eight or nine, but it gets a 14-team PPR league. We're drafting next Monday night at 9 p.m., and we're going to raise a ton of money. We're going to raise at least $3,000 for this and hopefully a lot more. So please start bidding on that. The match, Team Azor versus Team Schneier. You can bid on which team you want to be on. So the highest bid for Team Schneier is currently $420.

For me, it's $255. Highest bid co-manages the team with us. So if you're the highest bid on Team Azor, you're a co-manager with me and our fantasy football today league. Same thing with Dan. You're a co-manager with Dan, but whoever wins the tennis match gets a pick swap in round three or later. So there will be advantages to being on the winning side here. I played tennis yesterday.

Six Oh six four. Wasn't against Dan. Dan played golf yesterday. So, you know, I'm feeling all right. I'm feeling all right about this. Who did you play against yesterday? I played my yesterday. So, you know, I'm feeling all right. I'm feeling all right about this. Who did you play against yesterday?

I played my buddy. He's a good player. You know, he's not as good as Dan, I'm sure. Dan, who was first on his high school team, except he was homeschooled. So who cares, you know? But he wasn't homeschooled. But anyway, I'm ready to go.

Also, the left... Just so I understand, as the commissioner of this league, the pick swap is just you're swapping picks. You're not taking a pick. So in round three, if I have an earlier pick than him and he won, he gets my third round pick. I get his third round pick. So you both still have third round pick.

It's not like you're giving up your third round pick. Correct. Correct. We just swap. The leftovers league. I love that this was run by me before you guys decided. I told him to do it. He didn't do it.

That's his fault. Leftovers league. Tuesday, August 27th. I love that this was run by me before you guys decided. I told him to do it. He didn't do it? That's his fault. Leftovers League, Tuesday, August 27th, 8 p.m. Eastern. Send your submission, funny or otherwise. You can, a poem, a video, a song, or just, hey, let me in the league. This is a 10-team Superflex podcast league. 8 p.m. Eastern, one week from today, Tuesday, August 27th. Email fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That's the letter I, fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.

And you have to put Podcast League in the subject line. I also have a question in regards to Podcast League. Since I share the team over many years with probably our highest donor, shouldn't we get the chance to pick our draft spot first? You can pick any of the spots that aren't up or off.

Shouldn't we have had the first choice? No. I mean, I'm speaking on behalf of a very generous human being. Don't worry for auction. Shouldn't we have had the first choice? No. You know what? I mean, I was speaking on behalf of a very generous human being. Don't worry about it. It was all for charity, right? All right. So let's get back to our game. In other words, yeah, you probably should have, Jamie.

Who's ADP? But I didn't think of that, so we're just going to skip over it and get back to this game that he's playing. What is this game? What would you have picked, by the way? 14 teams. I mean, it's his choice. I defer to, again, our very generous? I mean, it's his choice. I defer to, again, our very generous donor.

I think it's a tough call. I'd probably pick something like, I think I'd pick eight. Eight or nine. I probably would go seven. Okay. Somewhere in the middle to take advantage of the running backs in round two. All right. Christian Watson or Deontay Johnson? Who's going earlier?

Last four days. Hmm. This is half PPR, you say? This is half PPR. Well, this is NFC, but I think most of the leagues are half PPR. Watson says Jamie. Yeah, I'm going to agree with Jamie again and say Watson. Oh, I didn't even let you finish your sentence.

Deontay Johnson going in. Not the first time you've done that. Not the first time today. Who do you guys like better, Watson or Johnson? Johnson. In half PPR, Watson. Who's going earlier, Mark Andrews or Kyle Pitts? Oh, don't

you say it. Andrews. It should be Andrews. Is that your final answer, Dave? Yeah. You're right. I had to throw in one of those, right? Who's going earlier, Tajay Spears or Zach Moss over the last four days? Moss. I'll say Spears.

I mean, one of you is wrong. Jamie's wrong. It is Tajay Spears. Who do you guys like better, Spears or Moss? Spears. They're literally back-to-back for me. I've got Moss one spot ahead. Who's going first, Brock Bowers or David Njoku?

Ooh. Bowers. I'll say Njoku. I'll take my bias out of it. It's David Njoku one spot just ahead of Brock Bowers. Who do you like better? Bowers by one spot. Bowers.

I got to get the drop from the movie Little Big League. Bowers! Great scene. Brian Thomas Jr. or Ladd McConkie? Who's going first? You did a great job hyping that up. I will say Thomas. Oh.

It is Ladd McConkie. The forgotten Ladd McConkie. Justin Herbert's back at practice is Ladd McConkie, the forgotten Ladd McConkie. Justin Herbert's back at practice. Ladd McConkie was going. This wasn't even a question before preseason, right? Yeah. So who should it be, McConkie or Brian Thomas? Thomas.

I have Thomas ranked ahead of him for now. I wonder, is that an overreaction to Justin Herbert's injury? It might be a little bit. I think there's a dip for McConkie that people could get in their home leagues. Got a few things. You think there's a dip for McConkie that people could get in their home leagues. Got a few things. You got Herbert's injury. You got the continuing reports on maybe Palmer being the number one guy and the go-to guy in the offense. And you have Thomas not only

making all these plays, but not Christian Kirkus hurt. Gus Edwards. Last one. Gus Edwards or Rico Dowdle? Who's going earlier in the last four days? Who's going first? Gus Edwards or Rico Dowdle? Gus. I'll say Dowdle, just to be different. Jamie, that is correct.

Gus Edwards is going ahead of Rico Dowdle. Who do you guys like better? Gus. Gus by two spots. All right. Let's transition to something else. Did you know that across Ontario, utility damage happens 19 times a day? That's over 4,222 incidents a year.

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And I think we'll see a little bit more of the pass catching Najee that we haven't seen the last couple of years. Do you think so? Do you think that doesn't just go to Patterson? Oh, I think some people go to Patterson, but there's the Mike Tomlin situation versus the Arthur Smith situation. Who's going to win? Tomlin's always favored a bell cow guy, so will he go back to that? How far do you move Najee Harris up?

It could just be one or two weeks without Jalen Warren. I hate soft tissue injuries when they happen in the preseason. I don't like them when they happen. Do you have an example of one from last year or before? Past year or before? Any previous year where a hamstring injury really wreaked havoc on somebody for a long time. I'm sure it's happened. Tend to wreak havoc on somebody for a long time?

Yeah, they tweak a hamstring or a calf or whatever, and then their whole season is screwed. Justin Jefferson. I mean, it wasn't preseason. It doesn't matter when it happens, but Justin Jefferson, it lasted a long time. And not only that, even a couple months ago, they were like, hey, we're taking it easy with Justin Jefferson because of his hamstring last year.

Sure. But I remember a training camp where Derrick Henry had a calf, and everybody freaked out, and then Derrick Henry did what Derrick Henry does. So I think everybody's different. Each injury is different. Yes, there's a risk of it. There's no question about it. We don't know the severity.

We don't know how soon he'll be back. I didn't move Najee up at all. I might be a little more interested in drafting him, but I'm definitely interested in taking advantage of a dip for Jalen Warren. I don't disagree with anything you said. The only thing for me was that Najee was in that blob of running backs for me, which I don't particularly love. But it's the Montgomery, Zamir White, DeAndre Swift.

You got Ramondre in there or is Ramondre a not your head? Ramondre's in there, yes. That whole group of 18 through 24. And if there is anything to change anything for these guys, like Montgomery for me moved up a couple spots with the Jameer Gibbs injury. Same thing with Najee moving up with the Jalen Warren injury. Should you absolutely buy the dip on Warren? Yes, because he's going to fall to a spot where the value is just too good to pass

up but I still think by what look Najee's closed the last two seasons playing well a lot of it was touchdown dependent fantasy wise not necessarily his his performance um and I think a little bit like last year we had the oh my god the Steelers look great in the preseason let's draft them all oh yeah now we have the oh my god the Steelers look awful in the preseason don't draft any of them you know so we'll see what happens god the seals look awful in the preseason don't draft any of them you know so we'll see what happens come the regular season they have to figure out their quarterback situation the offensive line struggling and look it's a new system we'll see how things go but i don't mind

taking a chance on naji in that group if he falls and i'm not taking any of those guys before round five yeah so the difference to me before round six excuse me I think you had nausea lower than I did. And now you've just moved them up to kind of where I have them. Okay. All right. Thank you, Jamie.

Time for a segment called, Hey, real quick, just, uh, was based on an email I got actually asking about Nick Chubb. So I figured, let's take a look at a couple of backfields here,

Jamie. Hey, real quick, give me your take on the Panthers backfield. And then I'll give the Browns backfield to Dave, but give me your take on the Panthers backfield right now on August 20th. Jonathan Brooks is still the one you want to draft first. Just understand that you have to be patient with him. It's easier if you have an IR spot so you can stash him. I'm hopeful that we see him before October, but I would plan on not seeing him until October just to be smart with your fantasy

drafting. If you get Chuba Hubbard at the right price, he's absolutely worth it because he could get you off to a good start. So you can pair Chuba Hubbard with Nick Chubb if you like, if you want to mix and match backfields, or you can do the same thing with Brooks and Ford just to kind of tie those two teams in. But in any event, I like drafting a lot of Chuba Hubbard simply because there is the realistic possibility of Brooks not getting on the field until October. So you may have four or five weeks of a starting caliber running back who was very good from a fantasy production standpoint last year when he took over for Carolina and it's a better system and a better offensive line.

So Chuba is typically the one that I target right now as opposed to taking Jonathan Brooks, but I will certainly buy the slip, by the dip, I guess, of Brooks and reach a little bit for Hubbard right now just to make sure I have him on my team. I've got Brooks going in round seven, like mid-round seven, and I've got Chuba round nine, round 10. Is that where you've got them? I would take Chuba there,

but I would take Brooks around later, so I typically don't get it. Okay, that's good. We're going to need some nachos today because we are buying the dip. Okay, Dave, give me your take real quick on the Browns running backs. It's almost the exact same thing as Carolina,

except I like that run game situation better. I just think the Browns offense will be better than Carolina's offense this year. Jerome Ford is a little more expensive version than Chuba Hubbard. I would expect Ford to get drafted before Hubbard. He's in that round nine range. I don't think we're seeing Nick Chubb until Halloween. I've said as much and really not sure how much we'll see of him. And it's the same thing with Brooks. Do you expect them to just come back and immediately get 15 touches in their very first

game? They're going to need to get worked in a little bit, especially Brooks Chubb. At least we've seen him play might take him like a half, three quarters before he's really back on his game. Ford to me is the, one of the best zero RB targets to get that's in round nine. I'm getting Chubb and right around the same range, round eight, round nine on Chubb, uh, with the same idea as Brooks, you're going to stash them, hopefully in an IR spot. And you can use Ford right away to begin the season. Just to give you an idea, Cleveland starts against Dallas. That's going to be tough, but then it's Jacksonville,

the Giants, the Raiders, the Commanders. I think that there's a chance that Jerome Ford can be an RB2 to help you begin the season. Okay. Just buying the dip, you know. Thank you.

Thank you. I was proud of it. I appreciate it. Thank you, everybody. I think you should cut this chip and we should move on. Wait, what did you say? I was proud of it. I appreciate it. Thank you, everybody. I think you should cut this chip and we should move on. Wait, what did you say? I didn't say anything.

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Just make sure you use bonus code FANTASY when you sign up. Alright, formats and some news and notes when we come back on Fantasy Football Today. Dave's is true. Comment from Johnny. Dave is sick of Adam's shenanigans.

No, I've been dealing with your shenanigans for years. Thank you. Okay, some news items here. Mark Andrews still out with a minor injury after a car accident, but they say he is fine. Mark Andrews. Jamar Chase was back at practice. He wasn't practicing, but he was back with

the team, so we are hopeful. It's getting pretty close to worry time with Lamb and Chase and Ayuk. Let's get these guys signed. New contracts. Justin Herbert returned to practice. Good stuff. Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence, who do you like?

Lawrence by a lot. I stuff. Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence? Who do you like? Lawrence by a lot. I believe I have Herbert higher. Justin Herbert? I do not. I have Lawrence higher. My bad. Kirk Cousins or Justin Herbert? Cousins right now,

but that might change when Herbert's fully back to himself. It's always better for me when I'm actually looking at my rankings. Sorry, I don't have my QB2s memorized. Lawrence, Cousins, Herbert. Okay. Jaden Daniels was named Washington's starting quarterback.

Dave said it was going to be Mariota yesterday. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Did fantasy receipts get me on that one too? Yeah. Bill's wide receiver, Mark Pozvalda, Scantling, and quarterback Mitchell Trubisky, they're going to be out several weeks. And more importantly, Curtis

Samuel is week-to-week with Turf Toe. So that's pretty, I mean, probably should have led with that. Curtis Samuel being week-to-week with Turf Toe, that could mean he's ready for week one. But what do you think about that, Jamie? Is that a boost for Shakir and or Coleman?

Not significantly, but certainly solidifies them as the first two Bills receivers you should be drafting right now. I mean, that's kind of been the case for me all along with Samuel. You know, just Samuel Shakir were just great value picks.

I mean, you know, take one, take both. You know, you could have gotten, you know, the potential number one receiver there for Buffalo and Samuel could still have a huge role and hopefully be fine. But this is a guy that's battled injuries at times throughout his career.

And now you got a turf toe situation for, you know, trying for a guy trying to develop a rapport with a new quarterback. So while he knows the system and that gives him a slight edge, I think Shakir's standing is, is really helped by this. And Coleman, who again, you know, we, we chase snap counts in the fantasy industry and he he's, he's playing the most with the starting group. So that's encouraging as well. So he, uh, he's, he's playing the most with the starting group. So that's encouraging as well. So yeah, I think you take Coleman first,

Shakir second, and then, you know, Samuel may be a distant third. Shakir in that top 100 range, this should lock them into the slot spot to begin the year. No shenanigans with him and Samuel splitting it and, potentially a wide receiver three to begin 2024.

Yeah. I think the question is who plays in two receiver sets. You know, now we know until it may not be either of them may not be either of them. It could be Matt Collins, Matt Collins. Yeah. Matt Collins or weird choice.

It might be a running play if that's the case. Yeah. I'm not saying that's going to necessarily help his fantasy value, but it just means that he may be on the field. Uh, Jets wide receiver Mike Williams has a chance to play next week, or in week one, pardon me.

And Elijah Mitchell's still out with a hamstring injury. Do you guys take Jordan Mason or Elijah Mitchell or neither right now? Neither right now, but Mason's also dealing with a hip injury. They are beat up in San Francisco's backfield. That's the true irony

of christian mccaffrey not getting hurt last year is that every 49ers running back in the last five years gets hurt except mccaffrey last year but obviously mccaffrey's but he did get hurt yeah well they're getting hurt now before the games even start yeah it's crazy christian kirk will not play this week, but the Jaguar starters will, but Kirk's still dealing with a calf injury. Yes. Okay, let's get into our format show. So my first question for you is,

do you draft differently in half PPR versus full PPR? We will talk about non-PPR next. Half PPR versus full PPR. We will talk about non-PPR next. Half PPR versus full PPR. Dave Richard, do you draft differently in those formats? The only players that I will discount will be those who are just so catch-reliant, meaning the Michael Pittmans of the world. I think you can make the case that Puka

was one of those guys last year. Just guys that are getting a ton of targets and a ton of catches and not really scoring a ton of touchdown world. I think you can make the case that Puka was one of those guys last year, just guys that are getting a ton of targets and a ton of catches and not really scoring a ton of touchdowns. Obviously Nakua had a lot of yardage, but just as an example, Nakua had 17.6 PPR points per game. That was 10th best among all, you know, running backs, receivers, and tight ends. He was 16th and half PPR at 14.5. So if you're a player that's getting a ton of catches and maybe it's the like total lack of touchdowns, Nakua had six last year. That that's a difference maker. That's, that's a problem.

Jefferson's another example. He was seventh in full PPR, 20.2 points per game in half PPR, 16.8. That was eighth among everybody. That's still really good, but you can see the point differential between the two. And so there's obviously going to be a differential for everybody, but the guys that are going to get a lot of targets and a lot of catches, those are the players that you should discount just a little bit in half PPR. So I'll give you two examples.

One would be in half PPR. I would lean Derek Henry over James Cook in full PPR. Cook would lean Derrick Henry over James Cook. In full PPR, Cook gets a little bit more of an advantage just because of the catches, obviously touchdowns. And at the receiver spot, Debo Samuel gets a bump, let's say, over Chris Olave, who doesn't score a lot of touchdowns. Right. So we're talking about making changes within a position,

this wide receiver over that wide receiver, this running back over that running back. But I think the toughest call in half PPR personally is Jonathan Taylor versus Garrett Wilson, you know, whereas it's a no brainer for me. I'm taking Wilson in full PPR. I'm taking Taylor in non PPR. I'm using these two guys, but you could do, you know, you could do any, I think Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley,

they're not going to rely on catches necessarily versus a guy who can have 100 catches. What do you do at the one-two turn in half PPR? I would take Wilson just because I think those 100 catches will matter significantly, and I don't want to chase touchdowns. Yeah, I'll take the running back in this instance. Is it more important for you in a half PPR league to start running back

receiver rather than receiver receiver in that? Like let's say we're in the back end of the draft of the first round. No, I would take the two best players. I wouldn't necessarily look at it from a half to have one of each. And I also think just to go back to the previous question of Wilson versus Taylor, depending on where you are at the back end of the round and who's available, you can sort of set up your second pick. So if you wanted to take a running back, receiver, receiver, running back,

that's how I'd kind of play it more so than necessarily deciding between those two guys. I'd rather look at the position that are available to me and the players are available. It's such an important point for everybody to remember if you're picking 10th 11th obviously if it's 12th it doesn't really matter but if you've got that late round one pick you can kind of forecast which position will be deeper when it gets back to you in round two usually it'll be running back and so taking the receiver first does make a lot of sense in that regard man last year was such a bad year for running backs, but let's just take in half PPR. Let's just look at the last three years and the top 50 scorers, according to fantasydata.com, the top 50 non-quarterbacks in half PPR. How many running backs versus how many

wide receivers? In half PPR in 2021, there were three more wide receivers than running backs in 2022. There were three more wide receivers than running backs in 2023. There were three more wide receivers than running backs. It's always about 22 or 23 running backs, 25, 26 wide receivers. And it's pretty balanced early on. So in half PPR, I mean, there is really as beautiful balance between running backs and wide receivers. You can imagine in PPR it's wide receiver heavy and in non PPR, I mean, there is really this beautiful balance between running backs and wide receivers. You can imagine in PPR, it's wide receiver heavy and in non-PPR, it's much more running back heavy. How crazy was our non-PPR draft yesterday?

Yeah, so I was going to bring that up, but we'll get to non-PPR in a minute. I don't know if there's anything else you want to add about half versus full PPR. Any other changes? Not a change, but this is my preferred scoring system. I think full PPR just gives other changes? Not a change, but this is my preferred scoring system. I think full PPR just gives too much weight to those players that are going to get a lot of targets each week

and then not do a ton of stuff with them. Whereas non-PPR, I think you're going to gravitate toward running backs and guys who are just really focused on scoring a lot of touchdowns. Half PPR is that perfect medium. That's the scoring system you should fight for in your leagues. Okay. All right. So let's go to non-PPR.

All right. So Jamie, yeah, we did a non-PPR draft yesterday. And what stood out to you? I mean, the first round, Breesall was the first overall pick. So ahead of McCaffrey. That's the first five picks for running backs. That's no surprise. Jefferson was taken ahead of Tyree Kill.

That was a huge surprise. Yeah, I mean, that's just the genesis of everything for me right now, the first round. And I would say that might be an overreaction, okay? Like, you think about CeeDee Lamb and Tyreek Hill, and they have 1,800-yard double-digit touchdown potential. And not just potential, but honestly, realistic potential, you know, and if it's, let's drop it down to 1700 yards is Jonathan Taylor or

Saquon Barkley. Are they more likely to get to 1700 total yards than lamb and Hill? I don't know. I, and I would say that they have more bust. Okay. You got the Lamb contract situation. I would say that Barkley and Taylor have more bust potential than those guys. I don't think the first five picks should have been running backs. I think it was an overreaction.

So my first four players ranked in non-PPR are running backs. I had the fourth pick. I knew I was going to get at worst Taylor. So I do like Taylor better than those guys, because I do think that there is still 1700 total yard potential for Jonathan Taylor. We've seen it at his best when he was healthy three years ago and he scored, he had over 2000 total yards and 20 total touchdowns. Is he going to be that again? No, but I think, you know, you, you knock off a few yards, you knock off a few touchdowns and hopefully, you know, still able to, you know, be involved in the passing game. So I don't mind him, um, ahead of those receivers,

but Barkley's a little bit tougher to necessarily peg that because you are asking him to score a hefty amount of touchdowns. And we know that that's not the easiest thing in this offense. Things could change again. They have a different play caller and they have a different offensive line and they may not want to risk Jalen hurts with the touch push over and over and over again. So yes, he could get 15 touchdowns. It, it, it wouldn't be overly shocking. It would be surprising, but not, you know, that crazy considering miles Sanders two years ago, scored 11 touchdowns in this offense. So I would prefer the receivers that you mentioned, um, Hill and lamb in that order for me.

The one that's, that's tough again is Jefferson over those guys. Cause the yardage I think is going to be similar if he's right, because that's this type of player, just Jefferson is, but the touchdowns are hard to expect for Jefferson in this offense, considering that his best year was 10 touchdowns three years ago in 2021. And Tyree kills got three years on his resume of 12 plus touchdowns.

We saw what CD lamb was last year in terms of finding the end zone. So I think those guys should go ahead of him. Now, again, lamb went ahead of Jefferson here, but I was a little surprised again, to see Jefferson going before Tyree kill in really any format, but certainly this one.

Uh, I'll tell you last year, the highest scores in non PPR McCaffrey was one by a mile. CD lamb and Tyree kill were two and three. And then the next six players were running backs. Mostert ETN, Kyron Williams, Derek Henry,

Joe Mixon, Brees hall. Uh, that was last year. So yeah, it makes, look, I get the,

I get it. It's a premium on, on the running backs and also the wide receivers that are available in round two are going to be better than the running backs available in round two if you want to start running back receiver. You took Kyron at 11, right? I took Kyron at 11 and A.J. Brown in round two. And Derrick Henry was 13th?

Derrick Henry was 10th. He went right before I took Kyron. Yeah. And then Amon Ross St. Brown was 12th. He went right before I took Kyron. Yeah. And then Amon Ross St. Brown was 12th. And he's an interesting... He scored 10 touchdowns last year. He was still pretty good. I talked about those six...

Amon Ross St. Brown was wide receiver three in this format. And he was last year non-PPR. And he scored 45 more fantasy points than wide receiver 12. So you have to remember, you still have to win at wide receiver. You don't want to pass up great players. Dave, what are your thoughts on non-PPR?

I definitely want to lean toward running backs who I think can score a lot of touchdowns first. I'm really looking at that stat, touchdowns, as what drives me toward players. And I know that that's such a tough stat to predict from game to game, much less season to season. But you know who the studs are. And then after I know that that's such a tough stat to predict from game to game, much less season to season, but you know who the studs are.

And then after that, it's who's going to get you the most total yards. And by nature, the best running backs are going to get you total yards. So you just said it seven of the top 10 players and non PPR on a per game basis last year, we're running backs. I would lean toward running backs in round one.

There are a few wide receivers overall that I like. Sorry, it was not per game. It was overall. Okay. So maybe that's a difference between my numbers. No, it's probably similar though. No. Okay. So listen, here are the top 10 on a per game basis last year. McCaffrey, Kyron Williams, Raheem Mostert. What do they have in common? They all had a lot of yards. And in the case of Mostert, 21 touchdowns, they all had at least 15 touchdowns. Then Tyreek and CD lamb, they had 13 plus touchdowns over 1800 yards receiving, uh, on a per game basis, H hands in there. Then Jonathan Taylor, then David Montgomery, 13 touchdowns, 1100 yards. You're getting the point. James Connor was nine. Justin Jefferson

was 10. I don't think we're really saying anything groundbreaking here, but if those catches don't count, it definitely drives down the value of wide receivers compared to running backs. Sure. However, that doesn't mean that the early round running backs are going to be the ones that finished the highest. You could still get H and Connor,

right? Like from last year. So, so what were your first four picks yeah mine were um sorry my iron a.j brown david montgomery cooper cup so i took cooper cup over james connor for example you know he was the next running back off the board and you will get to a point in the draft i think because running backs are going to go so early in the first second and then the beginning of the third round there will start to be a point where the draft, I think, because running backs are going to go so early in the first, second, and then the beginning of the third round,

there will start to be a point where it swings back. Oh, there's great wide receiver value here. And I was still able to get – I took Tank Dell and C.J. Stratton. I only took two running backs in my first three picks – or my first six picks, and I ended up with Brian Robinson and Tajay Spears in round seven and eight. That's very good. Yeah, right?

I was happy with that and to have yeah right like i was happy with that to have kyron williams david montgomery tajay spears and brian robinson that's a good with with cj stroud cooper cup aj brown and tank dell i was pretty happy with that team and non-pp yeah so i i punted third receiver essentially because i took umler Murray in round six and Kyle Pitts in round seven. So my first five picks were Jonathan Taylor, Puka Nakua, Ken Walker, Najee Harris, and Malik Neighbors. And I don't know about you, but when I took Cooper Cup, when I took Tank Dell, when I took A.J. Brown, all of those guys, I think, could score eight or more touchdowns.

So when I drafted my receivers like that, that was a consideration for me. It was I wasn't going to draft Michael Pittman, you know, in the third in the fourth round or something like that. So good, smart. Anything if I kind of been up hog that segment, I'm sorry. Anything you guys want to add? No, but the point got across. Oh, I think it's good. I have a follow. I have a question here and I'm going to ask it.

I'm going to ask you this. Do you care more about quarterbacks in non PPR? They're the only position that doesn't lose value in non PPR. They don't catch any passes. Do you care more about quarterbacks and non PPR? Please tell me after this quick break on Fantasy Football today. All right, that's the question, Dave Richard. Do you care more about a quarterback in a non-PPR league than you would in a full or a half? I don't. I use the exact same strategy in one QB leagues regardless of scoring. I do a little bit just because the receivers get pushed up so much in PPR

that in non-PPR, you can get one of the top tier quarterbacks, I think at a similar price. And they should, while in theory perform the same, they're going to matter a little bit more because those receivers don't count as much. Sure. And obviously the size of the league matters when it comes to that position. So when I saw Kyler sitting there, I was like, this is a no brainer for me compared to the receivers around the board. And what round was that? Six. Are you normally taking Kyler in round six in full PPR?

No, because I would lean toward the receivers. Okay, right. So that's an example of what you're saying, and that's fine. And this was a six point for passing touchdown league. I think my theory was sort of like, if you get a quarterback who smashes and gets to the 27 plus fantasy point range, okay, well, let me just see how many running backs in non-PPR

even got to 20. It doesn't even matter. Okay, Christian McCaffrey averaged 20.5. You're getting such an advantage. The quarterbacks are going to make up a higher percentage of your total points so if you have a bigger advantage at quarterback in a non-ppr league it might go a long way but quite frankly i don't play in any more non-ppr like i like my last non-ppr league is done so i'm not the best person to give advice there but you do have to think about that

quarterbacks do make up a bigger chunk of your fantasy points now, a higher percentage. So do you want to get that advantage? You guys say not really. A little bit for Jamie and not no for Dave. Right, it's a strategy thing for me. I'm still going to be able to get a quarterback at a good value because of supply and demand at that position.

Okay, so let's talk about the difference between two receiver leagues and three receiver leagues. And I looked at a couple of the drafts that we've done with listeners or viewers, and there were pretty much no differences. In fact, oddly enough, the two receiver draft was a little bit more receiver heavy than the three receiver draft. But for the most part, it was pretty much the same. The two-receiver draft was more receiver-heavy? Slightly. Two receivers and a flex.

Yeah, two receivers and a flex versus three receivers and a flex. Right, because I think you see more, I think, probably variance in the flex spot, right? I don't know, but probably. I mean, that probably has to be the case in the three-receiver league. There just aren't enough receivers to go around to be your flex. I don't know. Wouldn't that be the case if the three-receiver league. There just aren't enough receivers to go around to be your flex. I don't know. Wouldn't that be the case if it was half PPR or non-PPR?

People would be more interested in getting a non-receiver to be their flex? Certainly not. Yeah. So I don't know if I'm catching what you're saying for a league that starts with one less receiver. My theory would be is that if you're playing two receivers in a flex and PPR and three receivers in a flex and PPR, you're still going to see the three receivers go earlier.

The top 36, top 40 receivers are still going to get pushed up because people are going to tend to put receivers in a flex spot. Do you think that flex spot is more influenced by half PPR versus full PPR or two receiver versus three receiver. Scoring. Yes. Right. Score.

What about the value of tight end or quarterback in two receiver versus three receiver leagues? Quarterback and tight end is more valuable. Certainly tight end. That's exactly how I feel. I'm glad to hear you say that. That's exactly how I feel. I'm glad to hear you say that. That's exactly how I feel. Yeah, Dave, I feel like I can hide a streaming tight end a little bit better

in a three receiver league with a flex because there are more opportunities to score points at other positions. If I look at my team, it's two running backs, two receivers and a flex, and I hate my tight end. It just stares at me in the face. I can't stay like, I hate being terrible at tight end in that format. Yeah. You can definitely address the tight end with a little bit more confidence in that two receiver format, but three receiver in a tight end. I think you're right. You can stream the tight end. You can wait a little bit because then in theory, you're addressing the receiver position and other positions sooner. And everyone, everyone's going to have at least one week spot.

If you're starting to running backs, three wide receivers, one flex, one side end, someone's going to be weak somewhere. You just don't want to be weak at two spots. And the, to me,

I don't know how you guys feel, but one way to, to, for me to come out of a draft, not feeling weak at, at a position is no, Do more push-ups? No, that'll never happen. I tried that last year or a couple years ago.

I did like 50 push-ups one night. I was sore for three days. I never did another push-up. How long did it take you to do 50 push-ups? I'm just curious. Oh, it was probably like five sets of 10, you know, over several hours. It's hard.

I don't know. To be in the like Evan Ingram, Kyle Pitts, George Kittle range at tight end and to be in the Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy, like, you know, to wait on those two positions and then your first five or six picks could be running backs and receivers. That happens to me frequently. Do you find yourself doing that, Jamie? No complaints. I was just thinking of you doing push-ups.

Do what? I'm sorry? First five or six picks are running backs and receivers. Then you're in the Evan Ingram range at tight end. And then you're in the Caleb Williams, Daniels Purdy range at quarterback. I haven't... Well, Daniels, yes., range at quarterback? I haven't. Well, Daniels, yes. I haven't found myself having to, and I say this not from a negative, but like settle for the Caleb Williams, Brock Purdy to a group very often.

I think, again, what I have been sacrificing more has been my second and third running backs as opposed to my receivers quarterbacks and tight ends so that's just the way that i you know have been drafting most mostly this year it's really funny i i i said i mentioned to dave and heath yesterday like the more best ball drafts i do the more it influences my redraft strategy and it's it's kind of crazy interesting i don't know if you should. Do you like that? Do you like that you're being influenced by what you do in best ball? And no, but it's a different game.

Obviously, it's a totally different game. But it's, you know, I mean, I was, you know, probably for the last, I'll say, three to four years, you know, more leaning toward and certainly, you know, fully committing to hero RB. And a little bit of zero RBb that's not my favorite but that's such the route you go in in best ball is is zero and hero rb and it changes i think just the way that you the way you see the board you know you you can you can sort of manage the board a little differently. And especially with that group of running backs that you see, you mentioned Adam. Imagine if those guys said that you got in non-PPR at that value, Tajay Spears and Brian Robinson.

Those are potential studs. Yeah, totally. They're not going to be drafted that way, but there's the path to it. And so, like you said, what, seven and eight? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was pretty lucky. And in full PPR, that might be eight and nine.

Yeah, right. I mean, Brian Robinson strikes me as the kind of guy who's much less valuable in full PPR. But again, an Eckler injury, an injury to a 29-year-old running back who got hurt last year. Right. 30 year old 29 year old running back who got hurt last year right but i i think again like if you like the way that i draft i i end up with a lot of spears and brown and moss and um robinson and and and those guys singletary and and like look there there's warts all over the place there's flaws all over the place but you put them with a bijan or or a pacheco or uh uh etn you know depending on how you you go or brie, you know, depending on how you go, or Bresol, you know, depending if you go running back round one,

running back round two. And some pretty significant talent at wide receiver, a good tight end, a good quarterback. Like, that's, to me, the smarter way to build your team. Like, we had this conversation, Adam, on the mailbag, you know, and you kept, I think you said, I kept coming with hypotheticals and we hit you over the head with the truth. Just about how you were, you know, starting starting to realize like, that's a smart way to

build as opposed to, um, yeah, it's fine. Yeah. The theory is you're making your RB to your weak spot and everybody's shuffling running backs all season long. Anyway, you might as well keep that spot warm for whoever you draft or acquire via waivers or trade to take that spot and help your team out. That's part of the theory of zero RB is that you're eventually going to find a running back. You can look and say, Hey, I'm comfortable starting this guy every week. Let's go. And then finding that type of player off the waiver wire or in some sort of cheap trade, something like that. It doesn't matter what you've done in the draft. Then at running back, you're good at other positions, and you found your running back.

Now, you could do that at wide receiver too, but I think it's a little bit harder to find that wide receiver. And certainly, you don't get as many chances to find that wide receiver as you do running back over the course of a season. Okay, sorry. So let me just clarify a few things. Jamie was talking about taking a hero RB approach and getting a lot of Spears, Zach Moss, Chase Brown, Brian Robinson. But I don't think you're approach and getting a lot of spears zach moss chase brown

brian robinson but i don't think you're going to see a lot of aaron jones james connor deandre swift naji harris maybe naji now but the group before that i don't think you're going to see a lot of those guys so right like you're skipping that group and you're going a little bit later correct but yeah i don't love that group you know i mean i i see again i see the path to success for those guys as well um but i have those guys probably pushed down maybe a little bit more than dave does just based on it seems like how we view them um you know so like those guys are behind a significant like i have probably 35 ish wide receivers in the first five rounds you know so i'm i'm leaning toward very heavy wide receiver

builds and I would encourage people to do that. Hold on. So no, I wanted to say, but this, because I want to tie this back to the, to the two receiver versus three receiver thing, right? Correct. Sure. Um, in a two receiver league, are you still doing this? Two running backs, two receivers, one. So that's where I, yeah, I don't know. That's where I feel like it might be a little overkill. Uh, but again, so what I would, what I would do is if, you know, like again, a hypothetical, so let's say B. John Robinson, round one, Drake London, round two, um, Debo Samuel round three, then round four is where you would probably pivot to an Alvin Kamara, right? Kamara, Mixon, Walker, that, that trio where you would probably pivot to an alvin camara right camara

mix and walker that that trio you would pivot there i would probably take neighbors in it this is in a two receiver two right yeah okay and then in round five then i would see okay is there somebody in that next running back group that i like or is now the time for me to take Dalton Kincaid or pits or Ingram, or is one of the quarterbacks that I really love there, or potentially take another receiver. Now that's where the overkill you could say comes in. So taking your first bench receiver over running back tight end quarterback that I totally understand, you know, so it would be kind of what's on the board there because I wouldn't want to pass up a great player just necessarily to say okay i need to fill a certain position especially if i already started with like say bijan but i would not necessarily let just because oh my god i got

to get remandre stevenson here in round five because he's my highest rated running back too um i wouldn't do that yeah i agree with that yeah dave you want to follow up here the the point i would make is and this is regardless of format and regardless of, well, I guess it's not regardless of scoring, but it's just general fantasy advice. You never want to pass up a really good value. And so you might go into your draft thinking, okay, I really like hero RB. And then what happens if you get to around three and I don't know, Pacheco or ETN is there. You're really going to let somebody else get that value? You can make up value somewhere else along the line and not pass up a really good running back in a great spot.

And that was my point because I thought, because with T. Higgins, Amari Cooper, Tank Dell, George Pickens, all going in round five or six, I didn't want to, that was what I was saying on the map. I didn't want to miss out on that run of wide receiver. That's why I'd rather take Camara mix and Walker around four. And one of the wide receivers I just mentioned around five, because I feel like they,

any of them could be better than Malik neighbors in round four or 100%. I think again, that's you're looking at ADP. So a little different approach. I think again, you know, you look at it and say, okay, there's, and in this case, so you're looking at adp so a little different approach i think again you know you look at it and say okay there's and in this case so you're the receivers are bringing up there's probably 10 that you would say i'm comfortable with as my flex or our wide receiver three right yeah sure yeah right so it could be anywhere anybody from um neighbors through tank though right that that range of receivers

and i get what you're what you're doing i don't have a problem with it you know so especially in a two receiver like you want to take walker so you have those london bijan london and i'm brie saw london i don't want to take two falcons brie saw london um debo walker higgins yes love it perfect build yeah yeah i like your build i like my build that is different ways to do it for sure perfect build yeah yeah we're all comparing our builds the point is it's really important to have a little bit of foresight first rule number one don't pass up a really good value even if it means shifting from, uh, zero RB to hero RB, hero RB to getting two running backs with your first three picks. Don't be afraid to change gears. This is why Heath loves the snips. Seriously. No intentional position strategy.

I also think that it's important to have that foresight. You can use ADP. You can use tears, go in your draft with some version of one or both of those things. And then you'll know, all right, I'm up in round four. Here are the running backs who are left here. The wide receivers are left. Oh, there's some tight ends, quarterbacks, whatever. You can make an educated guess on what will be available with your fifth round pick, maybe even your sixth round pick.

And you plan ahead a little bit and any tool that you can use to help you, including the tiers makes all the sense in the world to have at your disposal to help you become a smarter drafter. All right, let's move on to six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues versus four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues. Do you draft quarterbacks later in a four-point-per-passing touchdown league, or do you just change the order of your ranking, just change your rankings, basically? This is one where I would have a little bit of a difference. Not only would I change the order of your ranking? Just change your rankings, basically. This is one where I would have a little bit of a difference. Not only would I change the order,

but I would obviously prioritize the quarterbacks that are going to run more. So in a four-point passing touchdown league, or even a three-point, obviously, Richardson's moving up. Kyler's moving up. Jaden Daniels, moving up. And you definitely want to prioritize getting them to have that advantage compared to the other quarterbacks that just don't run as much because their touchdowns through the air don't count for as much as the rushing

touchdowns do. Right. So quarterbacks definitely go later in four points. Okay. Thank you. The non rushing quarterbacks, all the quarterbacks go later in four point for passing. All the quarterbacks go later. Yes. There's never been a draft that I've done in four point for passing leagues where they go in the same range. And I'm sure 80 people back

that up, but I've never seen those guys go. The running quarterbacks go sooner than the non running quarterbacks, but they don't necessarily go, um, sooner than they do in six point pass. And I would guess based on most ADP of average drafts, you know, non-analyst drafts where we see the quarterbacks get pushed up, those leagues were six point for pass touchdowns where the novice player is saying, oh my gosh, why would I not take somebody who's projected to score 350 points as opposed to somebody who's going to score 300 points? You know, that just doesn't make sense to most people when they look at it projections wise, you know, so, but four points people, four point for passing leagues, they go later. Yes. You change the order, obviously, you know,

so you'll see Richardson and Kyler probably have the biggest leaps in ADP because they will go ahead of Stroud and Burrow for sure. Daniels, I would guess at this point, I mean, he is for me in six points. I would assume he's going ahead of love and Dak in, in those formats, not guaranteed, but I would assume so at going ahead of Love and Dak in those formats. Not guaranteed, but I would assume so, at least based on upside, based on his rushing. And then you'll see people taking chances more so, let's say, on Deshaun Watson than Aaron Rodgers. If you have those type of decisions, certainly the potential of what he can do as a rusher.

Okay, I'm going to look at ESPN. They do four point. I think four point is their default and uh i think although not based on this i don't know patrick mahomes is number one just ahead of josh allen he's going they're going 29th 30th jalen hurts 32nd lamar jackson 36 i don't know if i thought they were four point default. I'm not sure. So I think they are, but that's the lower than our ADP. Yeah, not, yeah, not by that much, is it?

I mean, but it's a little bit, there's still around three picks. Ours are like at the two, three turn. Our PPR ADP is, let's see. Keep in mind that our ADP 21st doesn't vary between four and six point. It includes both. True. Uh, yeah,

Josh Allen's 22nd on ours and he's like 30th on ESPN. I get the rationale. I would assume ESPN doesn't differentiate also. Adam doesn't see it. Yeah, sure. So I, I'm having a hard time finding a four point ADP just to compare four point

versus six point. But my, my belief was, I'll look there. My belief was quarterbacks don't necessarily go sooner in a four point per passing touchdown leagues, but I didn't think it was like a, like would you say that you wouldn't even think, think about when you would take a quarterback in a six point per passing league, Jamie,

you're saying you would wait at least another full round in a four point to take your quarterback or would you take every, every league, every league that I do. i'll qualify this i do a lot of analyst leagues where there are four points for passing touchdowns but they're analyst leagues so we're quarterbacks they're gonna fall anyway but again by comparison to the analyst leagues that i do where there's six points they fall further so you know that's the only basis that i truly have all right okay i definitely don't think they go sooner. No. All right.

So change the order. And I will say I looked at the difference between QB1 and QB6 and the difference between QB7 and QB12 over the last three seasons in four-point and six-point leagues. There's a much bigger difference between the elite quarterbacks and QB6 than there is between QB seven and 12. And that's regardless of scoring. So I found that kind of interesting. So I think that does say that if you want to reach a little go a little early on who you think is QB one, even in four point per passing touchdown leagues, it makes sense because there's been a pretty big difference between QB one and QB six.

I mean, you got to make sure you know who it is, though, because there's a lot of debate about this year. Yeah, but even two of the last three years, even QB2 and 3 have been much better. QB1 was 4.2 fantasy points better per game in four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues. Actually, that's kind of an interesting thing. Last year, there was a bigger gap

between QB1 and 6 on a per-game basis in four-, last year there was a bigger gap between QB one and six on a per game basis in four point leagues than there was in six point leagues. But that wasn't the case in the two years before. All right, point per first down. This is a running back stat. Christian McCaffrey, don't even hesitate. He should be the number one pick. I mean, okay, if you're worried about the calf injury but he had 116 first downs last year cd lamb was second with 88 there were 33 players who gained 60 or more first downs 22 of them were running backs nine were wide receivers two were quarterbacks so i would say do not forget about rushing quarterbacks they gain a ton of value

if you count it for quarterbacks as well obviously they gain a ton of value, if you count it for quarterbacks as well, obviously. They gain a ton of value in point for first down leagues, but this is a rushing stat. The best wide receivers are certainly going to be up there, but running backs gain more first downs than wide receivers. So that brings us to two things that I wanted to spend a lot more time on, super flex and auction.

So I think maybe we just save Auction for a separate episode. Please. And spend about five to ten minutes on Superflex slash 2QB, which while it is extremely fun, and if I were starting a league, I would make it a Superflex league. It's not the most popular. I don't know. You think probably less than 10% of our leagues are super.

No, I would say more. I think it's becoming more popular as, as people get away from, well, it's not realistic. People now just want to have fun and super flex leagues are definitely fun. I think we could probably find that out, right? Yeah. Oh, I can on CBS anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

I can find that out. All right. So we just did a super flex draft recently. Jamie had the second pick. I had the third pick. Dave had the ninth pick and Jamie, your headline was, um,

I think it was like maybe not the year to wait on quarterback. Is that what I don't know? I didn't write the headline. Oh, you did wait. I mean, you drafted Josh Allen in the first round, but then you drafted Matthew Stafford in the fifth round and we'll

let us in the seventh round. Um, I drafted Caleb Williams in the second round, Watson in the fifth, Gino Smith in the seventh. So we took fairly similar approaches there. Dave went Borough London with picks nine and 13. No, 10. No, sorry. 16. I don't know. Nine in round two. Sorry. What do you guys like to do? Dave, what do you like to do at Superflex? I definitely like to try and corner two quarterbacks within my first three picks. I talked earlier about looking ahead and knowing what might be available. Two things here.

Number one, with your quarterback tiers, you need to make your list of guys that you're comfortable starting. How deep does your QB2 list go? If you feel great about Stafford and Levis, then that should afford you the opportunity to wait on getting that second quarterback. But if you don't see those guys as really good QB2s, or if you want to try and be a bully in your league and get two of your top 10, top 12 quarterbacks to both be starters on your team, go for it. And so I like the idea of two of their first three, maybe even each of your first two being quarterbacks, depending on the number of quarterbacks that you're really okay with or the opportunity cost of having two superstar quarterbacks on your team. Jamie, what do you do in super flex leagues?

It really depends on where I'm drafting so if you're drafting toward the back end of the first round it's not a bad idea to take two quarterbacks with your first two picks just because you're going to get as Dave said the opportunity to get maybe two of your top 12 guys and that's hard to pass up I really like the way that I built that team in that league because taking one of the top three guys having an early pick was was easy and then I believe when it came back to my picks and rounds at the 2-3 turn, I got A.J. Brown and Garrett Wilson. That was just too silly to pass that up.

And so then I kind of went with the idea of, okay, now I'm going to try and get two of my top 20 guys if I possibly can. And so Stafford and Will Levis are like 18 and 19 or 17 and 19, something like that for me. So I was perfectly fine with that trio, but I do think that lends itself. If you don't take a second quarterback relatively early, you want to take two guys in a very early or similar range, you know, hopefully in the first six or seven rounds, but depending on who's on the board, you can kind of play that a little bit. Um, so yeah, it's just a matter of, you know,

if you take two quarterbacks early, like Dave built a great team, um, you know, going quarterback quarterback, but you're missing out on two top 10 wide receivers, for example, one of the top 10 wide receivers, cause he passed on AJ Brown. He passed on Garrett Wilson. Obviously there was other top tier players that he passed on to take those quarterbacks as well. So, you know, you just have to understand that you're not going to necessarily get a top 12 or at least two top 12, one running back, one wide receiver, if that's the route you want to go, you know, so you're, you're passing on some elite level players knowing that you're getting two quarterbacks. Now what we've seen, and you said this a lot, Adam, and when we talk super flex is there's no rhyme or reason to

winning these types of leagues, you know, super flex to quarterback leagues is not the person. It's not always the teams that are making the playoffs or the teams that went quarterback, quarterback. It just doesn't work out that way you know i i i think you started tracking this when heath won with a stafford um i don't remember who said quarterback was but he took them as like qb 12 and 13 or something like that you know what um two guys in in in the back half of either the number one range or early two or whatever it was um there's just there's just no rhyme or reason to it. And as we're seeing, you know, we talked about this,

I think yesterday on CBS sports network, like quarterback injuries are happening a lot. You know, it's, it's not necessarily Joe Flacco won a lot of leagues last year. You know, you're seeing guys that, that Jake Browning was a, was a significant contributor down the stretch. You know, you, you can, You can find guys off the waiver wire. You don't want to go that route, but you can. And so it's not necessarily you have to go quarterback, quarterback

to win these formats. It's almost like zero RB. You could go zero QB or hero QB. You can get your one asset at that position and then just kind of churn quarterbacks until you find that second guy. Or you can be like Jamie and take two shots at striking gold with one of Stafford or Levis. And if you do that,

hold on, if you do that and let's say they're both good, then you've got a trade ship and you can ask for the moon when you've got a quarterback portrayed in a super. The thing that I liked with that is that, and you said I took Stafford in round five and Levis around seven. Yeah. Do you know i took around four i think i was running back right tell you in a second uh where are you jamie you

took pacheco i mean think about that like i know that's crazy josh allen garrett wilson aj brown pacheco like that's the core And then I'll figure out the rest. Right. And I had the third pick, and I took McCaffrey intentionally just instead of Patrick Mahomes because I want to see how it looked out, how it turned out. My starting lineup is Caleb Williams and Deshaun Watson or Geno Smith. Do I love that? No.

But I have McCaffrey and Joe Mixon, and I have Pukunukuwa, Jalen W Waddle and Chris Godwin and Evan Ingram. So I think I can win with that team. Ironically, last year I had one on one in our in our Superflex League and I took Patrick Mahomes and he was one of my worst picks. My team actually ended up being really good. So I took Brock Purdy later and Russellson was like a nice depth you know cute you know but you know fine you know bye we can play some but uh i also drafted baker mayfield i drafted four quarterbacks and i made a trade early in the year because quarterback injuries happen and if you have quarterback depth oh my gosh as dave was just talking about but i had four quarterbacks i

traded baker mayfield for dj moore so that types of trades, you can work that well for both, I think, right? Yeah. I mean, the Schaefer got a, a quarterback that he could start. I got a top like eight receiver and I didn't win the league.

This, all of my players had like the worst week ever in week 16. But where did you draft Baker Mayfield? Oh, super late. He wasn't even, where was DJ Moore taken? Yeah,

exactly. That's the, that's kind of the hope for when you wait on a quarterback and you can take that third quarterback late too. You can get two quarterbacks with your first three picks and still fire a shot on someone who goes low next year. Bo Nix is a great example. I don't know.

See the, the one thing is like the goal that I have when I take two of my top 10 quarterbacks early is to get guys who are going to be like 24 plus points per game. And I heard Deshaun Watson and Caleb Williams is your quarterbacks, Adam. That's not going to happen for me. Yeah.

I mean, it's possible, I guess. And there might be some weeks where it does. He has McCaffrey. McCaffrey. You have James Connery and that helps you out, but there's going to be other teams that don't pick 101,

that wait to fill their quarterback spots, and they're just going to get lapped by the teams that have great quarterbacks. So the idea is trying to get two of those great quarterbacks that are just going to put up an insane amount of points from week to week. And if you're right on those quarterbacks, you've got a golden path to the playoffs. I think that last year could skew your opinion a little bit because of the, the quarterback position was much more predictable. When you look at finish versus ADP, the quarterback position

was much more predictable than running back or wide receiver and probably even tight end. But last year it got flipped on its head a little bit, and last year was just a weird year for quarterbacks. Yeah, right, which is why I kind of throw out last year. I don't think last year is a changing of the guard. No, but that is the argument for drafting quarterbacks earlier in this format because they're easier to predict. However, if we keep saying, we say all offseason,

this is a deep year for quarterback, then I think you should lean into that i don't think it's i don't think it's a bad idea to lean into that a little bit sure that's why i'm not necessarily saying you have to get two with your first two or even your first i like getting two with my first three because i'm trying to to smash the quarterbacks and to be one of the rare teams that can get 50 points a week from my quarterbacks rather than waiting and hoping to get 35 to 40 on average. All right, you auction people. We will do a separate podcast for auctions.

Yes. Make sure we bring it up on the mailbag because Dan loves talking about auctions. I don't think it's a great topic. I love auctions. They're the best ever. I don't think it's a great topic personally, because every auction is so different. They don't follow a script. Things get flipped instantly as soon as there's one crazy bid, whether it's too low or too high. So it's not the easiest topic to talk about, but we will give you some tips and strategies. Wait

for that on the mailbag, I'd say for sure. And then we might even do another episode. I'm bigger, stronger, faster than you. I'm going to beat you easily. Okay. We got to go. Thank you, Dan. Dave, Jamie, Dan, and Schaefer, we will talk to you on tomorrow's show

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