Fantasy Football Today - Drake vs. Ekeler vs. CEH; League Winners in Each Round (08/24 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 24, 2020

Let's debate some elite RBs! Dave and Jamey have Clyde Edwards-Helaire 6th overall in PPR while Heath has him 13th. Meanwhile, Heath is the high guy on Austin Ekeler. And where does Kenyan Drake fit in? The guys talk it out before we move on to a potentially discouraging Dalvin Cook outlook (15:00) ... Random Fantasy questions (17:55) including when you should draft a DST, if Carson Wentz has elite upside, if Melvin Gordon's schedule is an issue and if you should lock up backfield tandems. Then we get to the news and notes (25:35). David Montgomery has slimmed down and Odell Beckham is having a great camp ... League winners in each round (34:10)! We start with Round 3 of CBS ADP and continue through the end of your drafts. The WR value is great. Terry McLaurin, Courtland Sutton, Marquise Brown, Tyler Higbee and J.K. Dobbins are potential steals ... Email us at [e-mail] 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Hey, welcome to a Monday afternoon version of Fantasy Football Today. Adam, Dave, and Jamie with Heath Cummings joining us. Hello, Heath. You know, I asked Dave and

Jamie last night, didn't get a chance to ask you, did you have a nice weekend, Heath? Super weird that it's Adam, Dave, and Jamie and Heath Cummings joining us. We never have this. You're like the guest. Out of town guest that happens to be on the show today.

Does that mean you're not going to be a jerk to me because I'm a guest? It's weird. Is that a requirement? No. Then, hey, it's Adam, Heath, Jamie, and Dave, if that's the case. No, because we did a podcast last night, and you weren't on it. So this is me welcoming you back as like, you know, putting you on the spot.

Was it on vacation? No, it was just a day that I wasn't on the show. How was your one day vacation, Heath? We missed you. Well, it wasn't on Friday either. It's been a while since we've heard from Heath. That's all I'm saying. Heath, you have a nice article coming out

about league winners tomorrow. Yeah, I don't know if it's nice or not yet. I haven't written it, but it is an article. Is there a football season coming up or something that we should be made aware of? What is this? All right, well, league winners, tomorrow you can read about it.

Today you can hear about it, and we've got a little bit of a rankings debate to start the show. We've got an interesting take on Dalvin Cook from Adam Schefter that we have to talk about. And we've got news and notes as well. And hopefully time for your emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. I also, I'm going to fire out some random questions at you guys, random fantasy questions at some point as well. But I want to start with maybe the middle of round one and the back end of round one in any format, really, and debate these three players. Clyde Edwards-Ziller versus Kenyon Drake versus Austin Eckler.

And Heath is really the glue that holds this show together because I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Heath, but your rankings are a little bit different from Dave and Jamie's on those three guys, Eckler, Drake, and Clyde, right? I don't know where they have Sanders related to, or Drake related to Eckler, but yeah, I have an Eckler, Clyde, small gap, Drake,

in full PPR. And I might have it the same in non-PPR now as well. I think that it's pretty easy to see what the top three or four upside is for clyde i think austin eckler showed us that he has that upside last year and drake probably did too this whole walking boot thing puts a little bit of a damper on it um but yeah i think it's eckler clyde drake so that was your order before you before you heard about the correct walking boot or after before okay yeah i mean i think the walking boot or after? Before. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I think the walking boot thing is pretty significant at this point. Is it? Is it? Come on. We don't know. We don't know. It doesn't sound like it's a major deal. Just in case people don't know, right?

Okay, okay. Kenyon Drake is in a walking boot and they're calling it precautionary. So, I don't know. It doesn't seem like a huge deal, but it could be. It could be. I'm putting the finishing touches on the players who I think will have their career year this year. And Drake was originally on the list and I made a pivot to Eckler because I do think that Drake can have a very good year. I still think he's a great top 15 ish type of a pick, but even in-PPR, I'd rather have Eckler. Just every single sign points to him being the guy for the Chargers.

And it makes perfect sense. They let Melvin go. A lot of opportunities are there. He's going to gobble up a lot of them. He's a good pass catcher out of the backfield. Not the most efficient runner. When he gets a handoff, he's not the most efficient there. But he's actually significantly more efficient than Drake.

So I have made the lean and I'm making it final. Eckler, greater than sign, Drake. And Edward Ziller is ahead of both of them. But that's the thing. I mean, Jamie has Edward Ziller sixth overall in PPR. Dave has Edward Ziller sixth overall in PPR. And Heath has Edward Ziller 13th overall in PPR. So that's enormous. I'm not sure Heath's going to get much Heath has Edward Ziller, 13th overall in PPR. So that's enormous.

I'm not sure Heath's going to get much Clyde Edward Ziller this year. Meanwhile, Eckler is eighth for Heath, 12th for Jamie, 13th for Dave, and Drake is 11th for Jamie, 14th for Dave, and 15th for Heath. So really, Edward Ziller is much higher for Dave. And I'm sorry, I know it's only six or seven spots, but it's a big deal. I think at that point in the draft, a lot higher for Dave and Jamie than he is for Heath.

And I guess it's almost like you're trading spots. Eckler is much higher for Heath than Eckler is for Dave and Jamie. I think you guys get what I'm saying. Right. I get what you're saying for sure. I'm curious, though, Heath. A month ago, there wasn't anybody in practice

or anything like that, and the idea that these rookies wouldn't be able to adapt because of the lack of an offseason was a really legitimate argument. Now that you've heard so much out of Kansas City about Edwards-Hilaire, I'm wondering if you've considered changing your tune, and that maybe now you are seeing it. I'm wondering if you've considered changing your tune and that

maybe now you are seeing it. I've got a 13th. Like, who was the... How often do rookie running backs finish as first-round values? I'm not discounting quite as much as Hilaire. I think there's been one every year. There's been one every year for like the last four years. And I last year. Who was last year? I guess there wasn't one last year.

Jacob probably would have been if he had finished the season after getting hurt. Last year was the first time in a while, but we typically see one rookie running back, sometimes more, finish as complete studs. This would be the best candidate for that, obviously. But 13th is not low. Let me get Jamie in there because Jamie is just another.

Now the GM of the Chiefs saying that Clyde Edwards-Ziller is going to have a big year and going to get a lot of work. So you have him confidently at six. I've been moving to five. I mean, there's a lot to like. I mean, you know the track record of Andy Reid. You know what the potential of this kid is. You know what this offense is going to look like.

So if there's any concern over Dalvin Cook, then you should take Edwards earlier at five. It's such a different tone from last year. Do you remember last year, all the headache about, well, which Chiefs running back should we get? Who's the guy to target? Who's going to be the best one? And then it was pretty sloppy.

And this year, it's just the same message out of Kansas City. Every single, maybe not every day, but every few days that CEH will be awesome. Okay. Heath, what, if anything scares you about, why do you think that Dave and Jayme are too high on Clyde Ebert-Ziller? Your opinion of the difference between 6th or 7th and 12th or 13th is a lot bigger than my opinion of the difference between those two. So I don't I'm not necessarily saying that they're way too high on him. I mostly what I have

in between Clyde and sixth or seventh overall is wide receivers. Okay. I see. Yeah, that is basically true. You have Kelsey Julio Jones Tyree kill. Then you have Derek Henry and then you have Clyde Edwards. He layer that's interesting. Henry over Clyde

Edwards-Ziller in full PPR. Correct. It's absolutely within the realm of possibility. What do you think his workload is going to be, Heath? I don't really know. That might be where I'm just projecting him too low. I think I've got him at

14 to 15 touches per week. How many catches? Let me just pull it up so but I think I've got him at like 14 to 15 touches per week. Okay. How many catches? Let me just pull it up. So I'm not just completely making things up while I'm talking. I'll make it up for you. 90. Yeah.

Nowhere close to that. Not 70 either. I don't, I think 58. Okay. All don't, I think, uh, uh, 58. Okay. All right. So I want to talk, let's talk about Eckler now. And,

um, who gets, well, actually of these three, who gets the most carries, Jamie? Of these three? Yeah.

Of Eckler, Drake, and Clyde. They're probably going to be somewhat similar. I'd probably say Drake is going to have the most carries. Does anybody have a much bigger workload than the other two, or do all the workloads look fairly similar? Or touches?

Let's say touches. I think I can make the argument for Edward Ziller getting the most touches. I would agree. Because this Drake foot thing definitely makes me second guess. combined with the fact that they were that Clingsbury was just talking last week about how he wants to find a quote great role for his running backs plural talking about Chase Edmonds and that would be very different from last year. One game where another running back for the Cardinals, I wouldn't say not the starter because David Johnson had that game where he got hurt early and then Chase Edmonds had like 27 touches.

But only one game where a second running back had more than seven touches. They like to use one guy. Kingsbury is a one running back guy, or at least he was last year. I have Eckler with the most touches. How many carries? The most touches for Eckler. I think I know I'm 220. Okay.

Okay. 210. 210. Yeah. How many catches? 71. All right. Part of me that thinks Edward Zolaire could get more catches than Eckler.

Believe it or not. Okay. What I love about Drake is just how good the Cardinals running backs were last year. David Johnson was a top seven running back in weeks one through six. Chase Edmonds had two games where he was featured. He was a beast in one, and he had a terrible game in the other. But he was a top seven running back in just those two weeks. And Kenyon Drake was the number four running back in the final eight games of the season.

Number four in both formats with 123 carries and 28 catches in eight games. So good situations there. I didn't pull the trigger on two of them in PPR League this morning. I had both Eckler and Drake there, and I went with Drake and Julio, and

it was interesting because I guess I'm just not sure what... I don't know what to expect for Austin Eckler. He's obviously very good, but I don't know if they're going to give him more than 12 carries a game. And Tyrod Taylor scares me a little bit. And then who gets the goal line work? I would think it would be Eckler.

But that's... Why? Why would I? Because he's the most accomplished guy there and because he got all that work when Gordon was out. Oh,'m not disagreeing I'm just yeah no that's fair question I would think it would be Eckler but obviously I'm not 100 certain what you know what do you think about that I mean I would assume it's going to be Eckler as well but you know they they have an open opportunity here to see how these two other guys are going to work and Kelly and Jackson and

you know is it going to be you know you don't want to overwork Eckler and and maybe have what happened to Kamara last year you know when he didn't handle it as a smaller type running back um you know they they they certainly I think value Eckler based on what they paid him and allowing Melvin Gordon to walk so it makes sense for him to be their featured. And if you've seen any pictures of the dude with his shirt off, he looks like he's ready to go run through a wall. So, um, that was, yeah, I would think Eckler is, uh, is the guy with the hope that those 200 plus touches that are vacated, he gets the bulk of them, but no, I'm sorry. I would say,

does he lose a little bit in terms of the reception total because of the quarterback change and what Rivers has meant to throwing to backs versus what Terod will or will not do in that same regard? Is it an offense thing? Is it a player thing? So that's the thing you're going to find out because his carries are definitely going to go up

if he's healthy. There's just no way around that. It's just a matter of will his reception stay in the same range or will they potentially decline? And that's the fear if you're taking Ekler. It's just a matter of will his reception stay in the same range or will they potentially decline? And that's the fear if you're taking Eckler. It's interesting because I do think there's reason to be concerned about Eckler's workload.

Same for Drake. We haven't seen a 250-touch season for either of them. But Eckler's slightly bigger than Clyde, right? I would think he's probably a little bigger than Clyde. I mean, the thing about Clyde is you're drafting him. You're drafting Andy Reid. That's what you're doing when you're drafting Edward Solaire because nothing about the draft process from end of the college season

when he was a national champion through the combine, through any other thing you looked at, was he the best running back coming into the NFL? There's, there's no way that anybody, unless they were taking a shot in the dark was saying that because this is a loaded group of rookie running backs in terms of what their talent level is. Swift is a rock star. Dobbins is a superstar. Taylor is, is, is a maniac. You know what I mean? All these guys are just exceptional. And then it was Edward Solaire sort of in the tail end of that, which is not bad, but it's just, you know, he's, he was

sort of pulling up the rear a little bit along with Akers. And so for him to go there tells you that they think he fits and everything you're hearing tells you that he fits. And then Damian Williams says he can't go because of his family concerns. And now it's the rocket to the moon. So there's just everything about this scenario points to being great. He has to be great now. And that's what you're drafting. Are you drafting him to be great in this perfect scenario? And I'm going to take my chances on that.

I understand why Heath is not. And it's not that he doesn't like him clearly, but he's a little bit more cautious. Totally get it. All right. So then let me put you guys in my shoes here. Let's say Clyde Edwards-Ziller is off the board. Oh, they're so small. And you've got...

They're tiny. I can't even put my foot in there. Actually, I'm like 11 and a half. You'd be surprised. Kind of oddly clown feet. It's only three and a half sizes smaller. Yeah. Well, you guys are tall.

You guys are very tall. So anyway, you could get two of those three guys or a wide receiver in a PPR league or like one of them in a wide receiver. You know, what do you do? I'm probably going to get Eckler in a wide receiver. I'd go Eckler Julio, yeah. Well, I'm sorry.

So Dave was doing that as if Clyde Edwards-Elair was off the board. Yeah. Which is fair. So let's say you've got Drake, Eckler, and any wide receiver not named Michael Thomas or Devontae Adams, and you have two picks. What do you do? Just told you. Yep.

Jamie? Yes, same. Okay. But if you're telling me that Edwards-Elairair falls in the draft and I have the chance to get Edward Z. Lair and Eckler and the catches count, I'm salivating. Please don't do that into the microphone.

I'm not literally salivating. Eckler's the one that's going to fall unless Drake has a significant injury. I think I said this on one of our previous shows that we're higher on Eckler than most in the industry. And then there's this Dalvin Cook tweet from Matthew Berry on the Fantasy Football Marathon, currently on ESPN2.

It's no longer on ESPN2. Don't change the channel. Adam Schefter said, if Dalvin Cook's contract situation isn't resolved by the start of the season, drafting him in Fantasy would, quote, give him pause, end quote. Uh-oh. Do I have scary music to play for that? I might. Oh, I think...

There you go. Uh-oh. What do you think about that? Oh, I can't believe I'm laughing as hard at that as I am. It's a little nerve-wracking. You don't want to pull a Le'Veon Bell. Draft somebody

in the first round and then he ends up not showing up. Does it give you pause? Not yet. The fact that he's there, it's the encouraging part of it. But he could say, you know what, I'm not going to go until I got to play my six games to get

my season. And then that's the worry. Yeah, does somebody want to explain this holdout situation? Because you can't hold out a training camp, but you can in the regular season. Yeah, I don't understand it. He's gone through it. It's not like he's just standing on the sideline.

You're our special guest, Heath. Dave's celery cap expert. I know, and even I'm not sure if I've got the... I don't want to spew something that's not correct, so I'm zipping my lips. I think he's got to play six games, if I understand it.

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Dave, are you ready yet? Or should we go to a new segment? Oh, no, no, no. I need a lot of work. Okay. Random fantasy questions. Here we go. Second half of this show, by the way,

is going to be league winners in each round. Random fantasy questions. When do you draft your DST? Second to last round, maybe third to last round if you want to get one of the top two or three. Or if there's no kickers, last round. Okay, but do you think that we're a little bit,

as a podcast, a little bit like, don't draft the DST, like a little bit gone too far in that direction? Two years ago, it was Jacksonville, right? Yep. The number one defense. They had an eighth or ninth round ADP. We said, don't do that.

I don't think they were a top 12 defense. They weren't. Last year was the Bears. Yep. Last year was the Bears. It's just, no, we're not too much like that. If you want to go, I see, I think it's RJ that sometimes will go three, maybe even four rounds before the end because he's on one of the corners

and wants to get the sealers. Dave does it. They nothing wrong with that. That's fine. But I'm not going to do that. I'm perfectly happy drafting the Colts in the last round. Okay. Yeah.

And the Colts because they get Jackson in week one. Right. Well, and they have a good defense too. I know that's why you're doing. I just want to make sure people understand. And I would never advocate for a defense in the eighth or ninth round. Right.

You should be laughed at. Yeah. I would definitely laugh at people. Yeah. Unless the eighth or the ninth round were the last two rounds of your draft. That's a good point, Dave. Okay.

Do you think Carson Wentz has elite upside? Absolutely. Yeah, of course. Okay, because the last two years on a per-game basis, he hasn't even been top 12. Right, but the year before that, he was top two. Yes. Okay, just making sure.

The year before that, he was, I think, a little bit better of a runner. He ran again last year. He ran 243 yards. What did he have? He was on pace for 368 yards in 2017. Okay, so Carson Wentz has a late upside. You don't want to expect him to be like that because you'd be disappointed.

But if you get him at the right spot, which typically is anywhere between the 8th to 10th quarterback off the board, that's a pretty good opportunity for what he could be. Follow-up question. Okay. Is there a top 12 quarterback who doesn't have elite upside this year? Who you look at and you go, yeah, he's going to be top 12. Based on how we're ranking them or based on their draft position?

Let's do draft position. Then it's Aaron Rodgers. Okay, that's fair. I'm not like, and I know that on a per game basis, he was last year number two. I don't really think the no run quarterbacks, like the no run quarterbacks actually have reasonable lead upside. And I'm not sure Josh Allen does either,

but I'm giving him one more year before I say that. By the way, you were talking about Brady and Breeze. You were talking about Breeze when you said per game number two. And Brady. Well, what about Ryan? I think all three of these guys can. I think they all have that type of elite upside. I disagree

just because they don't run doesn't mean that they can't have great. But they have to have historic seasons, though, and I don't know if that's possible. They're going to have to throw for 5,000 yards for them to be there. And I don't know if they're going to be able to do that again. The difference for me with Ryan is I could see Ryan throwing 650 times easier than I could see Brady or Breeze or Rodgers doing that. Look, 4,800 yards and 32 touchdowns is probably going to be elite it's not going to be

like homes but it's probably going to be like qb3 right i'm not sure if they're qb3 not not if there's so many quarterbacks who are running around all over the place because every time they get 100 yards on the ground that that's the same as 2,500 yards passing? Not 2,500. 250. I don't have my calculator today. Sorry. That was a little bit off.

If you look at the passing upside, we'll just end here. Look at the passing upside of Ryan, Breeze, Brady, Wentz. Does Wentz have the least, the lowest passing upside? He's not going to throw to what those guys throw to if

those guys are right. But he runs, obviously. Right. Okay. Alright, the Giants. A couple schedules here. The Giants start with the Steelers, Bears, Niners, and Cowboys. Steelers, Bears, Niners, Rams, and Cowboys. Do you care? I'd be concerned

about Daniel Jones as a starter to open the season. Okay. Melvin Gordon starts with the Titans, who were okay against the run. Then he gets four straight matchups against teams that were top 10 against running backs last year. That would be Pittsburgh, the Buccaneers, who were number one, the Jets, who were ninth,

and the Patriots, who were second. That's Melvin Gordon. Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Jets, and Patriots. Do you care? Those week two and week three matchups scare me more than week four and week five. Phillip Lindsay scares me more than he scares me. I was going to say that's the concern. Why are you talking about Gordon, not Lindsay? Okay. And then last question, last random fantasy question. How do you feel about drafting two guys in the same backfield? And did it work last year? He does it all

the time. I am a regular at the, you know, it depends. So you're saying drafting two guys in the same backfield that aren't handcuffs. I think it'd be like Jonathan Taylor and Marlon Mack, Kerryon and Swift, Lindsey and Gordon. Not Madison and Edmonds.

No, I think you're talking... Right, but in PPR, you could do it with the two Bears guys. You could do it with the two Patriots guys, depending on if you think Damian Harris is that second guy already. Again, Heath does it with the two Browns guys. I think four or five drafts throughout the offseason you've done it, Heath. I don't know if there are many scenarios of it, though, that you're drafting those guys to be starters.

Don't have to necessarily be starters. I like it. Well, starter and flex. I mean, in the range that we're talking about, these guys, you can make a case for the two Washington guys or two of the Washington guys. I think that's later. No, but if you take Carrion and Swift,

I don't think one of them is your flex, at least not in week one. Yes, the Buffalo ones, exactly. Do you want to do this? Does it just backfield dependence? Do you have a rule? We had a conversation very early on following the draft, or I shouldn't say very, but maybe like May, June, about the draft and the Dolphins guys

and how that would sort of work out. Now, again, not as starters, but maybe one of them is your flex. And so if you're getting two of them with mid-round picks, I think that's fine. But I think it's more of you're taking one guy in the rounds, maybe four to six, one of the Buffalo guys, one of the Colts guys, I think that's fine. But I think it's more of you're taking one guy in the rounds maybe four to six. One of the Buffalo guys, one of the Colts guys, one of the Lions guys,

maybe one of the Rams guys, assuming Daryl Henderson is healthy, and then taking the next guy in rounds probably six through eight. And then that's the flex range. So how about this then? Let's say you took Melvin Gordon, and then you could take either Phillip Lindsay or Daryl Henderson later. Are you could take either Philip Lindsay or Daryl Henderson later.

Are you more likely to take one? Are you more likely to take Lindsay because you want to lock up the Let's say Zach Moss. We would take out the injury thing for Henderson. Okay. Fair. You know, you get what I'm saying here.

Oh yes. I would, I would take Moss. I would take Moss probably in that situation. I think you're, you are in those types of situations, limiting your upside a little bit. All right.

If you take both of them. The benefit is if Delvin Gordon gets hurt, you have the starting running back for the Broncos. The downside of it is both are healthy, and maybe the Buffalo guy gets hurt, and Zach Moss is a star. Let's go to your news and notes. Okay, David Montgomery.

There we go, news and notes. He lost weight, and he acknowledged There we go. News and notes. He lost weight and he acknowledged that he was too slow last season. Dave, you don't believe in David Montgomery. What about this news item? It's not just about him.

And he's right. He wasn't very fast last season, but his offensive line isn't expected to be very good. And I don't know if I can trust the offense to rally around David Montgomery week in and week out.

So this doesn't do anything. This is not a... I'm not drafting him. Unless he's really, really, really false. He's in such an interesting range because depending on what format you're talking about, he's in the conversation with,

in my opinion, Devin Singletary, Ronald Jones, Mark Ingram, Kareem Hunt, when you're talking about he's he's he's in the conversation with in my opinion Devin Singletary Ronald Jones Mark Ingram Kareem Hunt when you're talking PPR uh maybe now Cam Akers with the Daryl Henderson injury you know that that group of guys that you're looking anywhere between maybe late round four to somewhere around six and he could be better than all of them it wouldn't be a surprise at all you know just given what the pedigree is and the workload he's going to get I mean he's going to probably get more touches than all those guys. If they use him in the passing game a little bit more, he could be special.

I like comparing him with the situation with Jones, and I've got him close to my rankings, but I'd much rather have Montgomery, and Jones almost always goes first now. Jamie, that range of round four through six, it seems like Montgomery is usually on the round six end of that range,

at least in our graphs. Especially PPR. Yeah, non-PPR is a little bit of an easier decision to probably take him there. But I get why Dave likes Ronald Jones better. I can see why people like Devin Singletary better. Mark Ingram, Ben Trager has him four rounds higher. So there's a lot to like about those guys,

and you can also see the downside for those guys. Some of them limit in the passing game some of them have significant competition uh so we'll see how it all how it all works out but you know look i'll always take somebody that takes the time to uh enhance their game and and you see it you know and he's he's done that mike williams has a sprained AC joint in his shoulder. He is expected to be ready for week one, but this is worth monitoring. Mike Williams for the Chargers.

Deontay Johnson's been dealing with a leg injury. A couple of wide receivers who are completely off our radars but are having good camps. Should they stay off of our radars on draft day? Green Bay wide receiver EQ St. Brown or Equinemius St. Brown and Cincinnati wide receiver Auden Tate. Any reason to buy into them? No, but I think that's a potential downgrade for Alan Lazard. Okay. Not to run away from him yet, but I've dropped him a few spots just because there's

other guys that I like that are moving up and he's somebody that is already based on ADP and some of the analyst drafts I've done that you can get a little bit later. Keith takes them a little too soon for me. So I can't get him as much, but you know, if you like Alan Lazard, you can wait a little bit longer now.

Oh yeah. He's a guy I could just drop around and no one would notice. Cause I would still get him in every draft. So I'll just, I'll just drop them around. It was funny. Our flex draft. I got him in our flex draft, Adam,

and he was my sixth wide receiver, I think. And it was like, okay, this is the spot I would take him in our draft. I'll just see what happens. I'll wait around. No, I'll wait another round. Kept falling. He kept falling. I was like, okay, this is the point.

He's got to pull trigger. What do you guys make of Brown's reports, Odell Beckham and Austin Hooper both having good camps? I think it'd be more of a surprise if they weren't. But it's encouraging. I had Beckham as a guy on my first bus list or second bus list, I think second one following the NFL draft. And when I redo it this week, he will come off and I'll explain why.

But I think round four is a good spot for him. I wouldn't want to take him in round three, but I understand why people are I think round four is a good spot for him. I wouldn't want to take him in round three, but I understand why people are. But round four is a good spot for him. Beckham or Robert Woods? Woods. Beckham in non-PPR, Woods in PPR. I think that's the way I have it as well.

And what about half PPR? Beckham. You're the worst. No, I'm not. The touchdowns for Woods are such a problem. Could the touchdowns go up, though, without Todd Gurley getting 12 a year on the ground? They absolutely could. Absolutely could.

I like both. You know, I like Robert Woods more so than I like Beckham from the standpoint of I think if Woods hits, as we saw the close of the stretch last season. But I mean, again, you know, Beckham has seemingly had a quiet offseason, a new coach, a running mate that's got a bad hip. And, you know, we'll see how Beckham operates this year. But, you know, hopefully a motivated Beckham is a good one. Dallas Goddard has a fractured thumb, but he should be back soon.

And Zach Ertz has been dealing with an upper body injury. Hayden Hurst, according to the Falcons' official website, but he should be back soon. And Zach Ertz has been dealing with an upper body injury. Hayden Hurst, according to the Falcons official website, is going to be in every down tight end this season. Who's getting excited about Hayden Hurst? There's so much to like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the problem is, the last couple of drafts I've done,

he's gone before Hunter Henry. Not today. No, I don't think he did today. But I didn't notice that because I took Kelsey. I took Hurst. That was a weird draft. We're going to break it down on Twitch, right, I believe? Yes, we are going to break it down on Twitch.

Yeah, it's going to be a lot of this draft because we're talking about it on HQ on Tuesday. But Kelsey went after Kittle. First time I've seen that in our draft. a lot of this draft because we're talking about it on, on HQ on Tuesday. Um, but, uh, Kelsey went after kill. First time I've seen that in our draft. Hmm. I did a little dance. Uh, Jack Doyle has a neck injury.

David Njoku has a wrist injury. I don't know that there's like a really serious injury right now. Is there miles Sanders? Would that be the biggest Sanders and Drake? Right. Oh, AJ green. Yeah.

It's been a week now he hasn't practiced. They said Deontay Johnson hasn't been on the field since last Wednesday. Yeah. So he's getting close too. Okay. Yep. Not encouraging, especially, you know, I like Deontay Johnson a lot. One other receiver I put in the guys that you mentioned,

I think he's a little bit ahead of Ontate and ESB, Van Jefferson. The Rams are getting a lot of the reports about Van Jefferson are very encouraging. And in their scrimmage on Saturday in the game where Darrell Henderson, that's another injury we got to keep an eye on. But in the in the scrimmage, he was performing so well with the backups that they started running him with the starters. And so if they go back to, you know, using three receivers, as opposed to two, I wonder what that means for, and Dave brought this up, which is a good point. You know, if Jefferson kicks inside and they keep cup outside, is that bad for cup? But it could be bad for Higby. You know, if we're

going to see a tight end rotation of Everett and Higby. And as we know before Everett's injury, Higby was not a good fantasy title. Okay. We got league winners in each round, plus an amazing thing that I never knew. Maybe you knew it and you're smarter than I am. I would not rule that out. Find out when we come back on Fantasy Football today. Fall is almost gone, but have you sipped enough Starbucks fall faves?

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Not even a vote. That is incredible. And he was just writing about the Seahawks and hopefully they will, I guess, hashtag let Russ cook. That's a thing now. It's been a thing. Yeah. Let Russ cook. You saw what Pete Carroll said over the weekend, right?

Yeah, he kind of joked about it. Yeah. Don't know what to make of that. But whether or not they let Russ cook is going to be, I just have a huge impact in fantasy. And I hope he, because Jason Lock and Forrest asked him about the never having an MVP vote, and he made a joke about it. Maybe one day I'll get one.

Russell Wilson said that. So here's to cooking. Let him air I'll get one. Russell Wilson said that. Here's to cooking. Let them air it out, man. Yay. It would be fun. It would be. It's the strength of their team. I thought maybe that would spark some discussion,

but good host knows how to move on. I think we're all very much in agreement on that. All right, let's rock and roll. League winners in each round. I'm using CBS ADP here and we will start with round three. And that would be George Kittle, the tooth return, Chris Godwin, Dak Prescott Todd Gurley Kenny Galladay Cooper Cup Mike Evans Le'Veon Bell

James Conner Chris Carson How many of those guys are not league winners? Obviously this is a good round here What did you have to say Heath? I said my favorite league winner Potential league winner is James Conner Just because we saw

like 2018, he was the number six running back despite the fact that he missed three games. Last year, before he got hurt, he was the number nine running back. Everything in Mike Tomlin's history suggests that he's going to be a workhorse back. He might get hurt again, but if he stays healthy, he's a league

winner, especially in the third round. The fact that he's going after Le'Veon Bell is insane. He really is. All right. I mean, I get it. The general public, what's the last memory they've got of James Conner? That he was struggling to stay healthy last year. And they look at Le'Veon Bell and they go, well, he's been a league winner before.

So I get why people might gravitate toward bell before connor but well i mean if that's the case most recently connor's been a league winner and bell's not that's true that's exactly right but people still think of levion as that that's what this tells me i'm not saying it on behalf of you know millions of casual fantasy football managers everywhere but this tells me that people still view Le'Veon as a great fantasy running back. Same thing with Gurley. And I think that Gurley especially

has kind of passed his prime. And Le'Veon, I don't know if he's necessarily passed his prime, but he's just not in a great spot. Connor's in a great spot. And for all the issues that he had last year, staying on the field and getting a lot of work, dude was on pace at one point for 1,400 yards and double-digit touchdowns.

Yeah, and the other thing to note is that in this ADP, if you look at it on CBS, Le'Veon Bell has a down arrow, minus five next to him, and James Conner has an up arrow, plus four. He's rising in ADP. Bell is falling in ADP. In a

week, I think things will be different here. I think this is the point where most ADP starts to settle. A lot of average drafts and not just expert drafts for everybody. Okay. So look, obviously, one thing to note, CBS ADP, the quarterbacks are going a lot earlier than where we draft them. So just keep that in mind but this round is full of potential league winners and connor you can get almost at the end do you

think chris carson is a league winner i hesitate to call him a league winner i think he can be a very good fantasy running back he can be a contributor toward your success, but I don't think he'll be the reason for it. What's the definition of league winner? Yeah, that's impossible, but I don't have one. Is it a guy that just completely outperforms his

draft class? Yes. Lamar Jackson and Christian McCaffrey were league winners last year. But McCaffrey was drafted as a top four running back. Still was a league winner. Yeah. Michael Thomas, same thing. This isn't about beating your ADP.

This is about this dude helps you crush your opponent pretty much every week. I think you can make the argument that Aaron Jones was a league winner last year. Absolutely, he was. Chris Godwin was. Mark Andrews and Darren Waller. Perfect. Mark Ingram, I would say, who's probably a league winner last year. Aaron Jones. Absolutely. He was Chris God was Mark Andrews and Darren Waller. Perfect. Mark Ingram. I would say he was probably a league winner.

Yep. That's the definition. Sure. Okay. Let's go to the next group. Then Adam Thielen, Melvin Gordon, Amari Cooper,

Zach Ertz, Leonard Fournette, Juju Smith, Schuster, Deshaun Watson. I'm just going to go six at a time. That was seven, so that's fine. Thielen, Gordon Cooper, Ertz, Fournette, Juju.

Why don't we do that? Six. Who stands out? Juju and Thielen for me. Yeah, the receiver. Juju's my favorite. Yeah, not even close. Okay.

Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, David Johnson, DJ Moore, Calvin Ridley, Devin Singletary. Yeah, I'll take those receivers over the previous receivers. Give me Moore and Ridley as league winner candidates ahead of Thielen and Juju. I think Moore for sure

and Ridley's in the conversation with the other two. And then clearly both quarterbacks. But there's going to be a better value of quarterback later. Dave, how freaked out are you by Roethlisberger? How do you feel about him right now? I don't think there's a problem.

We had that report about him short-arming. Him short-arming it, yeah. But there have been several reports before and after that that say that his arm is fine. And I'll tell you what, if Deontay Johnson's injury is significant, of course that's going to brighten the outlook for all the pass catchers in Pittsburgh, especially Smith-Schuster.

Man, look at all this wide receiver value. Let's go to the next round. We're about 40. We're basically at the end of round four into round five. Tyler Lockett, Odell Beckham, Mark Andrews, Mark Ingram, Robert Woods, and Alan Robinson.

I think Andrews could be the best one here as far as league winners. Yeah, the fact that you get him after Ertz is great. Yeah. Well, I would still take Ertz ahead of Andrews in full PPR, but in the other formats, I'm taking Andrews. But Lockett, Beckham, Andrews, Ingram, Robert Woods, Allen Robinson.

Aren't you taking those wide receivers ahead of Andrews? Not all of them. Some, yes. Some, no. But I think all these receivers have league-winning upside. Does Allen Robinson have the winning upside? Yes. Because he can catch a ton of passes.

He's shown you that once already. I think lock it as league winning upside there. I said it. Yeah, no, he was, he was on his way there last year. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Does Robert Woods. I mean, if you're getting what you got out of him in those final seven games, then yes. Well, you're not going to because he was on pace for like 185 targets. And 118 catches. Yes.

No, you're not going to get that. But I mean, if that's what comes of it, then if he does it again, then yes, he's a league winner. Okay. Heath, you alive? I am alive, but I did this. I sent you my notes, but none of the players that I selected

were in this group. Okay. Okay. Well, okay. So then let's go to the next group. I was waiting for the next group. Keenan Allen, A.J. Brown, Kyler Murray, Jonathan Taylor, Raheem Mostert, and T.Y. Hilton. And this is like the end of round five in a 12-team league. Keenan Allen, A.J. Brown, Kyler Murray, Jonathan Taylor, Raheem Mostert, and T.Y. Hilton. And this is like the end of round five in a 12-team league. Keenan Allen, A.J. Brown,

Kyler Murray, Jonathan Taylor, Raheem Mostert, T.Y. Hilton. Yeah, I think the two obvious ones, and my two choices for round five were Jonathan Taylor and A.J. Brown, guys that I never, ever, ever get to draft, so it was nice to say something positive about them. And like Marlon Mack could get hurt.

And Jonathan Taylor could be 15 carries a game from week one. And he could just be awesome. And he could be a mini Derrick Henry or a total Derrick Henry this year and be a league winner. Derrick Henry could get hurt and the Titans could throw more than 25 passes a game. And A.J. Brown could maintain some elite efficiency and be a top five wide receiver in round five they're both league winners potentially but how much of this exercise did you base off injury

because I want to talk about who could who could be a league winner without injury well okay AJ Brown doesn't really have to have Derek Henry get hurt that's not what I meant but some of it is like especially you get two more rounds and it's almost all based on injury. Yeah, well, that's fair.

But I would say Jonathan Taylor does not need an injury. And certainly Kyler Murray does not need an injury. Yeah, those would be the three that I would say have league winning upside for sure. Yeah, but I think

it's kind of hard to make the case for Keenan Allen or T.Y. Hilton as a league winner, right? For sure. Yeah, and that's an important takeaway here. And probably not Raheem Mostert. Is there a case for Raheem Mostert, league winner? I don't think so.

Kevin Coleman, I don't know. That's true. Well, I mean, there was that stretch last year where he just kept scoring. Yeah. I mean, maybe. They're running out of pass catchers in San Francisco and they can run the ball really well.

They've got a great offensive line. So I would say that there is a possibility where Raheem Mostert can somehow have better efficiency, but it seems unlikely. All right. We'll go into round six. Now, Darren Waller,

DK Metcalf, Tom Brady. There's one. Brady. Metcalf, Tom Brady. There's one. Brady? Metcalf. Okay. David Montgomery, Ronald Jones, and Drew Brees. Waller, Metcalf, Brady, Montgomery, Ronald Jones, Brees.

You know what I'm going to say? Metcalf. And? Ronald Jones. Yep. Do you think he has league winning upside, though? I think he's got league-winning upside. He's in a fantastic offense.

He's clearly going to be the lead running back. All he has to do is somehow prove, and I guess I'm using the word somehow, so that's not a great thing, but somehow prove that he can be a decent pass catcher. What's stopping him from getting 40 receptions? He had 30-something last year, and he can just ball out off of handoffs and pitches.

It's an improved offensive line. I think the only thing that could be stopping him is McCoy. It's him. I think it's him. I don't think it's McCoy. Well, I mean, if he's not playing on passing down, it's going to be hard for him to do that. Okay, that's fair.

So what is the difference between Ronald Jones and Raheem Mostert? One of them is young and hasn't been a failure in the NFL for five years. And one of them has actually been great in the NFL, and it's not Ronald Jones. Both have been a failure in the NFL at some point, and both of them seem to be coming out of it at the same time. But one of them is playing with Tom Brady, who defenses are going to respect, and a bunch of of pass catchers which defenses are going to have to

respect and he's not going to share i don't think he's going to share first and second down work unless he starts fumbling or you know not gaining four plus yards per carry what and i should not have said failure in the nfl i apologize but um what changed from the last half of last year when he because even after he was named the starter in the second half of last year he was still sharing and playing barely 50 of the snaps with peyton barber why wouldn't he share barbers oh he's 100 sharing there's no doubt about it he's sharing but he's not sharing the same type of carries that he was sharing with barber but it's not it's not sharing carries he's 100% sharing. There's no doubt about it. He's sharing. But he's not sharing the same type of carries that he was sharing with Barber. But it's not sharing carries.

He's going to share playing time. I mean, he's going to share playing time to LaShawn McCoy, maybe to an extent Keyshawn Vaughn. But I also think we're completely overlooking that Dario Goboale is going to have some role in this offense, too. And so, you know, they're going to use three guys. Now, it should be what I would do is 60% of the touches to go to Ronald Jones or 60% of the playing time to go to Ronald Jones and then divvy up the other 40 to the other two guys, especially on passing down

situations. But yeah, I mean, look, Ronald Jones is a great spot. He's a great pick in round five. I don't know if I'd put him in the category of league winning upside, but in relation to this exercise in this round, absolutely he does if he hits, but there's just a lot of ifs i think that go along with him but there are ifs that go along with several guys we talked about already so you know he's he's uh he's a guy that you should be um excited about based on everything that's happened around him uh it'll just be fun to see how how it unfolds and very disappointing to see how it unfolds the other way. If in fact, McCoy just becomes the nuisance that we're all hoping he doesn't become.

And that's, I do have some, I do have a quick update. Kenyon Drake just tweeted, was in a walking boot around this time last summer too. Just trying to stay consistent. No worries. I'm good.

Good. Good. I just don't have the same confidence that Ronald Jones is not going to share as much early down work as he did last year. I don't think Peyton, like it's not like, yeah, Peyton Barber is gone,

but they have other backs that are as good as Peyton Barber. Everybody has two or three. You would, you would probably assume that McCoy at this point in his career is as good as Peyton Barber was last year, right? I would think so. Yes.

I'm going to be sick. I think you disagree. I think they both stink as far as just being able to play. I mean, on a running back right now. I don't disagree with that, but Bruce Arians probably thinks differently. I'm sure Tom Brady probably thinks differently. They get enamored by what a guy has done in the

past. You think that they are going to take LeSean McCoy and say, hey, he was really great three years ago and just turn him loose? They know what they have. I think what we find out with Adrian Peterson and what we find out with Frank Gore and what we find out with guys that have a resume is that

when you get them in practice and they do five or six things where they actually show burst and they have to actually exert energy, they look fantastic. And then what happens in games is those things become a problem as the game wears on, and especially as the season wears on. And that's why LaShawn McCoy was very good to start the season for Kansas City.

And then, you know, he's got 31-year-old legs. He just can't do it anymore. And Damian Williams was healthy. And YPC for life, he averaged 4.6 yards per carry last year. Yeah, but that was front-loaded. That's why you should really have Clyde Everett-Tiller higher in your rankings. That's the point that it's front-loaded

because he's got old legs and they wear down. And so I just think that's going to be an issue for Ronald Jones of him hitting his ceiling is a coach who's stubborn, who's done this before. He gave us a perfect example of almost the exact same thing, of a guy who he wasn't thrilled with in Andre Ellington, of a guy who he drafted in David Johnson, and I don't think Keyshawn Vaughn's becoming David Johnson, but who knows,

of a guy who he drafted and didn't give an opportunity to until he needed him, and then a veteran who he shoved on the field for no reason other than he was a veteran with a good resume in Chris Johnson when he was in Arizona. So I hope Ronald Jones does not get ruined by LaShawn McCoy or Keyshawn Vaughn or Dario Gumbuale. I have a lot of stock in Ronald Jones myself already, you know, so it's a player that I'm hopeful for. I just see the red flags, unfortunately, for what we know Bruce Arians does. See, what I thought you were going to say when you were bringing up Adrian Peterson and Frank Gore,

these are veterans that coaches can easily trust because they've been doing it for a long time. So in addition to showing you good things in practice and training camp, they practice the right way. They've been through the motions a million times. They'll feel comfortable with him. But Arians

has already said what he said about Ronald Jones. He said the exact same things last year. He said that Ronald Jones was going to be the guy before training camp. Did he even say one guy was going to be the guy? Show me the quote from last year where he said that. I'll pull it up for you. There was somebody that tweeted, here's exactly

the same thing that he said about Ronald Jones at various times throughout the year last year. Was it during training camp or was it in like week two or three? It was week nine. There was a Thursday night game where we got a report that Ronald Jones was going to get a lot last week. But was it during training camp or was it in like week two or three? It was week nine. Yeah. Okay, there was a Thursday night game where we got a report that Ronald Jones

was going to get a lot of work and then Peyton Barber got the work and it was an absolute slap in the face. So there is a little bit of a trust issue and like what Heath said in week nine, there was a bit of a trust issue I think with what Arian says. But, all right, we'll see.

So, all right, we made our points clear there. Now there's a few players going late in round six that are, well, certainly one of the, uh, yeah, they're not, I really don't think they're going to be available this late. Uh, CBS drafters, we got to start moving these guys up. Cortland Sutton is just not going to be there. 66 overall. I'd be surprised. Deandre Swift, Terry McLaurin. That's another guy. I don't know. 66th overall. That seems late. Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, and Matt Ryan, Cortland Sutton, DeAndre Swift, Terry McLaurin, Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, Matt Ryan. Who's a league winner.

Those receivers. McLaurin is the one that jumps out to me that like, you look what he did at the beginning of the year last year and what he did in the last two games with Dwayne Haskins. And if this offense looks anything like what Carolina's did last year, where it's fast paced and they run a ton of plays and they got a borderline top 12 season at a DJ more with Kyle Allen playing quarterback. I absolutely think Terry McLaurin could be a league winner. And you chose him over Cortland Sutton? You think he

has more league winning upside than Sutton? I didn't choose either of these guys because there were two at the end of round six that I liked better. But yes, I think I would choose McLaurin over Sutton. Okay. Before we move on, July

8th, 2019, Ronald Jones emerges from Arian's shortlist of players who have been the most impressive this offseason from august 7th last year bruce arians on ronald jones his confidence should be sky high with the kind of training camp he's had from july 31st ronald heck heck of a player for us yes those are submitting to him as the lead guy they're not i mean okay no they're not no that's they're i don't think so at all okay they're not the only guy. I mean, okay. No, they're not. No, they're not the same. I don't think so at all. Come on. They're not. He didn't start training camp and say,

Ronald Jones looks better. You're right. He was totally negative about him. He didn't say anything about him. No, but he called him his lead guy. He basically laid it out that he was going to be the starter. You know it's different. No, he's going to be the starter.

There's no debate he's going to be the starter. Week nine, he said he was going to be the starter for the rest of the season. He played more than 50% of the snaps once the rest of the season. There's a very significant track record of him talking up Ronald Jones and not delivering on talking up Ronald Jones. That is true, but it's also true that

a year ago, he was not talking about this much in terms of his role. Both of you are right. Nor was the media. That's true. Both of you are right. If you can't accept that, then I don't know what to say. I'm not disagreeing with it, but I mean... You said okay.

There's a track record. Yeah, you're right. You're both right. Marquise Brown, Kareem Hunt, Cam Akers, Rob Gronkowski, DJ Chark,

Evan Ingram, who's got... How are Marquise... Well, Brown I get. DJ Chark going this late. Wow. It's insane. When I said there's one coming, that's the one.

I think him and Terry McLaurin have the chance to be rock stars this year. Yeah. I like Hunt, Akers, and Chark in this range as potential. I think all three of them have the potential to win leagues. Yep. What about Marquis Brown? I don't know if there's enough targets. He could be super efficient, though. He could be hyper efficient. targets he he could be super efficient though he could be

hyper efficient i think he could be a league winner i think chart can be a league winner there's certainly a path for acres and if nick chubb you know gets banged up or whatever then kareem hunt would obviously be a massive league winner all right let's see if we have any league winners here we're into the that makes me want to trade my fifth round pick for an extra sixth round pick and another pick later in my draft. There's one more receiver coming. AJ Green, Devante Parker, Tyler Boyd,

Aaron Rodgers, Jarvis Landry, and Hunter Henry. There it is. Landry. Go ahead, Jamie. Talk about him. No, it's not Landry. I do think just going through the exercise of who could be a league winner

and forgetting about floor, or in this case, current injury situation, AJ Green could absolutely be a league winner if he's just AJ Green by week one and Joe Burrow has the type of upside or ceiling season that he has in him. Green could absolutely be a league winner. I think Green will be a league winner in the points per game category, but he will not be a league winner in the season-long category. You're going to get that stretch of games from A.J. Green. We saw it in 2018.

That eight games was pretty special. He's just not going to play 16 games. You just have to understand that with him. I mean, the fact that he's already banged up and missed a week with a hamstring problem, what does that tell you? They're going to be cautious. He's going to be cautious. He's just not going to go out there when he's not 100%.

Moving on. Julian Edelman, Michael Gallup, J.K. Dobbins. I skipped one on purpose. Julian Edelman, Michael Gallup, Will Fuller, J.K. Dobbins, Carson Wentz, and Marlon Mack.

Like I said, I love doing this exercise when Ben Gretsch is not drafting because I can say, yeah, Will Fuller is definitely a league winner in round eight. Yeah, and he's moving up eight spots too. Jamie, that was the guy? Of course. I mean, if he takes advantage of this opportunity,

he's going to be amazing. There are more league winners here though, right? Edelman, Gallup, Fuller, Dobbins, Wentz, Mack. Dobbins for sure. Dobbins. Dobbins is, yeah. I mean, I know you said no injury-related here, though, right? Edelman, Gallup, Fuller, Dobbins, Wentz, Mack. Dobbins for sure. Dobbins. Dobbins is, yeah. I mean, I know you said no injury-related stuff, Adam, but if he's the guy in Baltimore.

I just wonder, you know, after what Jeff Zrebek told us and has written, that if Gus Edwards isn't going to go away, like, what are they going to do if Ingram misses time? Is it going to be the Dobbins show? Is Dobbins going to take over Ingram's role? Is Edwards going to take over Ingram's role? Like that's the tricky part about all this. But yeah, I think if you take Dobbins in round eight,

like this is another guy Ben takes, I think in my opinion, a couple of spots too soon. But it's the way Ben drafts. Ben drafts lottery ticket running backs, but he starts taking them in this range because he has to, you know? So the draft we did Monday, which again, we'll talk about on HQ and then on Twitch,

his two running backs are DeAndre Swift and J.Kk dobbins like those were starting running backs right now like you know it's it's it's as potentially ugly as it could be and potentially amazing as it can be if those guys hit and dobbins being that guy that you're taking right now all right i think uh let's keep going here jordan howard jared cook tariq cohen marvin jones tyler higby matt brita let's Tariq Cohen, Marvin Jones, Tyler Higbee, Matt Breida. Let's just go a few more. Brandon Cooks, Hayden Hurst. There we go. Hayden Hurst.

Okay. I think Cooks and Hurst both have, like, if we're just talking upside, definitely league winning upside for both of those guys. All right. Anyone else in that group? Howard, Cook, Cohen, Marvin Jones, Higbee, Breida. All right. Nope. I love Higby. I don't know if I can say that he's a league winner.

Oh my God, of course he is. I mean, he would have to do... I've been talking about him doing 50% of what he did over those final five games, over the balance of 20-20. And if he does that, that's really good. I guess that makes... Yeah, maybe I should say he's

a league winner. If he does half of well, he did. Because then that's 10, 11 PPR points per week, every week. That would be pretty sick. Alright, here we go. James White, Kerryon Johnson, Phillip Lindsey, CeeDee Lamb, Deontay Johnson, Henry Ruggs, Jared Goff.

You know what? I think James White could be one in PPR. Really? Yeah. Winner? Yeah. I think he could end up catching a ton of passes and having a year like he did two years ago. He was like the number eight running back

or something two years ago. He caught, what, seven touchdowns? But Cam Newton threw like a hundred passes. Total like 12 or something. Yeah. He ran a lot. He ran some touchdowns in two he did so that's why it's about their running back situation i mean i don't think it's james white running having like five rushing touchdowns it's not as ugly as it was back then but i think fantasy managers can be confident about what james white role james white's role is and cam's track record of throwing to the running back is good.

And I think the Patriots coaches aren't going to try and ask Cam to do what Tom Brady did. They want him to do what he did in Carolina. Cam never threw to running backs before McCaffrey. Yeah, but then he did, and it worked. And why not do it again when your best running back is a great pass catcher? That's true. All right. And then let's see.

Well, Philip Lindsay, of course, injury. Like there are a lot of guys that could be with injury at this point. Anyone that could, how about CD lamb, Deontay Johnson,

Henry rugs, Jerry, Judy, Austin Hooper, Latavious Murray, obviously with injury there. Justin Tucker, Tevin Coleman, Cam Newton,

Stafford. Cam for sure. Stafford? Yeah. What was he on pace for last year? Almost 25 points per game last year. Number three per game. Before he got hurt. Christian Kirk,

Zach Moss, Jamison Crowder, Daniel with injury. Sure. I'm not sure. Like Moss might be one of the ones where it's not necessarily with injury. Like I don't expect it to happen, but there is a scenario in which the first couple of weeks,

he's just a lot better than Devin Singletary and he's the lead back. All right. Instead of me reading the rest of ADP, are there a few guys that you think do not need an injury to be a league winner? Damien Harris and Bryce Love? Deebo Samuel, I'd say. If he's healthy, yeah.

Chris Herndon and Blake Jarwin? Oh, yeah, like Hawkinson fan. There's some definitely high upside tight ends here. Preston Williams. For sure. Okay. All right, then. Works for me.

For Dave and Jamie and special guest Heath Cummings, I'm Adam Azer. Don't forget Twitch Tuesday night. HQ Fantasy Football today, all week and all season long. You get a haircut for tomorrow? Do I need one?

I'll put some product in it. I do not think I need a haircut. What do I have to wear? Nothing at all, buddy. Well, then I'll definitely get a haircut. You should borrow Heath's v-neck. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that.

It looks manly on Heath. It looks awkward and gorilla-like on me. We will talk to you on Tuesday with another podcast. And thanks a lot for listening, everybody. See you later. Go win your league. League winners. Bye.

Thanks for having me.