Fantasy Football Today - Dynasty Rankings & Trade Mailbag (02/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 27, 2020

It's Dynasty Day as we're talking Dynasty Top 150, trade values, and 2020 rookie draft. What are the first two qualities we're looking for in players if we're doing a startup Dynasty draft (2:00)? And we'll take a quick detour to react to the reports that Tom Brady may not return to New England (7:05) ... Breaking down Heath's Dynasty Top 150, starting with the Top 12 (10:25). George Kittle is ranked over Ezekiel Elliott, and Patrick Mahomes is an interesting pick at 10. Then we go position by position, first talking QBs (20:00) where Russell Wilson is outside of the top 100 and Deshaun Watson may be overvalued ... At running back (31:00), was David Montgomery's 2019 a good or bad sign for things to come? Moving on to WRs (39:00), it's stock down for Keenan Allen and Julio Jones, but how much value should A.J. Brown and Terry McClaurin have? ... We end by answering your trade questions (47:50) tweeted in with #AskFFT, with a heavy dose of 2020 rookie pick valuations. Email us at [e-mail] and tweet questions using #AskFFT. 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter For more fantasy football coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. It's time to think about long-term planning. And I'm not talking about the 401k that you've got or having kids. Maybe your parents are annoying you with that or finding the right retirement home. This would be the wrong podcast for that. This is a fantasy football podcast.

I'm talking about Dynasty Leagues. And Heath Cummings has the rankings and trade chart done for Dynasty Fantasy Football. I am impressed. I am amazed. I have questions, Heath. I have been clamoring for months to have a Dynasty podcast, and I realized about 10 minutes ago that this is not going to be

what I was thinking it was going to be. I realized that I am the person that has the rankings. I am the person that has the tiers and the trade chart. And so this is going to be, here's what I disagree with Heath about. Heath, why do you think this? Heath, why do you think this?

And so it's going to be a fun time. But you know what? It gives us all food for thought and it's much appreciated. And by the way, Patrick Mahomes in the top 10 there we go why do you think that see why is patrick mahomes in your top 10 there there's a lot of that coming heath we are definitely going to crawl into your brain so thank you for subscribing thank you for downloading i'm dave richard that's heath cummings we've got podcast producer extraordinaire ben schrager here and we've got the the signal stealer himself ben gretch he's chiming in from his crib up in the pacific northwest but guys i want to start with

this question because we're going to talk about dynasty a lot and we'll get to the news coming out of the combine too if if you were to build a dynasty roster from the ground up so we're going to do a startup dynasty draft i know that the number one thing you're going to look for from players is obvious long-term upside because you're taking players. For the dynasty league, you're taking players. They're going to be on your team forever until you decide to let them go. That's what a dynasty league is. What's the second quality that you're looking for on draft day from players?

Because the long-term upside, guys, they're going to be gone rather quickly. Go for it. It's guys who can be top 12 in their position over the next three years, and I can draft them at a value. So it's kind of the flip side. They're not long-term upside guys, but they can turn my team into a win now. Let's win a championship within the next three years if you could get them at a good bargain price.

Yeah, long-term upside was definitely a major factor in putting together the trade chart and the rankings and all of that. For me, and I think Ben Gretsch may disagree with this, but for me was still secondary to 2020 expectations. Interesting. Because I think that can, especially in a startup, get undervalued. People can go after all of the rookies and all of the guys that haven't and i and i understand that like you want those guys but almost everything we're looking at in terms of what's their risk well what's their risk of not producing what we expect what's their upside

in terms of what we expect like it all starts with what their 2020 expectation is and we have a lot better chance we're probably going to be bad at guessing how many fantasy points a given player scores in 2020. we're going to be a lot worse at guessing how many fantasy points he scores in 2022. greg's reaction yeah i mean he's right i i have a little bit of a different opinion i love the intro too because i was already thinking i was going to say from the beginning like i know he's been working really hard on this stuff. We've talked a lot about his process or at least a little bit. I like he's he I think has done this as well as you can do it. And it's just one of those processes that even if you do it as well as you can do it, there's going to be a lot of spots where we can sit here and say this is wrong or I disagree with that.

So that's going to be a lot of fun throughout this episode. But I do disagree with, I agree with the concept that 2020 production or projections are probably undervalued in dynasty startups. But the next most important thing, but beyond those obvious long-term upside players, for me, is just the ability to retain value or uh which i i would think of as different than upside and a big part of that is age if you have younger players even if they don't produce they're going to retain value uh like look at cory davis for example that guy has been a top 100 dynasty startup guy every season of his career even though he's never really actually broken out so you can take these picks and if they don't work out, you still have people that are willing to trade for them.

The flip side is like if you were to have taken like a David Johnson in the first round last year, no one's going to trade for David Johnson at this point at any price. Like you probably can't even get

a late round rookie draft pick for him because older players don't have that ability to retain value. So I actually go the opposite way. I do understand Schrager and his perspective. I think that's one way to play it, like go for a championship early. But I want guys that I think are ability to retain value. So I actually go the opposite way. I do understand Schrager and his perspective. I think that's one way to play it, like go for a championship early.

But I want guys that I think are going to retain value and help me build long-term. I think you can definitely have a mix of that when you do your draft too and go ahead and target those long-term players first. But, man, when you can get veterans that can help you out right away at a great value in your draft, two, three rounds later than you think they should go man it's awesome your team's going to be great and you'll have a good good a good young nucleus

long term and a couple of veterans to help you along the way right away and an example of what ben was just talking about um i'm in a startup auction right now and i'm probably going to reference this a couple of times i'm going to write something about it because it's a crazy crazy auction but there were very early in the process. Two running backs that have gone off the board, though, Justice Hill and David Johnson. Justice Hill did nothing and wasn't as good as Gus Edwards last year. They played Gus Edwards over Hill most of the season.

Hill went for $5 more than David Johnson. Oh, my gosh. Wow. That's crazy. In some leagues, the difference might even be bigger but yes there's definitely a lot of perceived value in age yeah no one wants the old crappy guy and it doesn't really matter if we're talking about fantasy football or anything no no one really wants to deal deal with that but i'd give a very late rookie pick for david johnson i mean what the heck

just in case at some point in the next two years he does get it going again i would do something like that and i know that there are dynasty questions that are out there we're going to answer some on today's podcast some were sent in via apple podcast reviews some sent in on twitter hashtag ask fft but before we get into the dynasty let's talk about what's happening with Tom Brady because Brady news has started to come up at the combine ESPN, Jeff Darlington quote would be stunned if Brady went back to new England. That's, that's kind of,

that's, that's heavy doc Brady out of new England could be going somewhere else. The Boston globe reported that the Patriots are just waiting to see what the CBA will be like before braid, before they make a call on Brady. The Athletics' Vic Tefer says that the strong buzz in India is that Tom Brady won't return to New England. So there's a real chance that the GOAT could be on the move. And I don't know if it even matters where he plays. I don't think fantasy managers are going to give him, not a dynasty league but in in a in a seasonal league i don't know if he'll even get picked if he was on the chargers that would be the one place because you go to the chargers you might throw the ball 600 times and

you've got keenan allen to play the julian edelman role and he's better than julian edelman and you've got mike williams on the outside which is better than what he would he be a top 15 quarterback for you if he went to the chargers the chargers i would say yes anywhere else that's available i would say probably no i do have some kind of trolly like dreams about this situation one is that i hope that the bingles or the bingles yes trade andy dalton and aj green to the patriots because they don't like they both those guys don't want to be on their team and i want aj green you got to take dalton they've been there are some some whispers around the league that belichick has always kind of secretly been an andy dalton guy and he's coachable and you can follow a game plan always been in this terrible franchise and i'd love to see them get to go play with belichick my other one is because there's

been a lot of talk this morning at least on twitter about how the titans might be one of the most likely spots because of brady's relationship with their head coach and i would love it if it turns out belichick's just choosing ryan tannahill and so brady goes to tennessee and the patriots sign tannahill that would be fantastic as well they would have to sign somebody or require someone to come in and take over this would be really interesting times in new england tragger oh definitely and the new england offense is going to be so bad for fantasy unless they get some sort of upgraded quarterback because nikhil harry did nothing last year and he wasn't even that promising in his couple of times on the field so i don't really know what to do with the weapons james white is going to be a downgrade if there's no brady dumping the ball off 12 times so running

back so i'm kind of scared of this new england offense for fantasy brave new world and i think James White is going to be a downgrade if there's no Brady dumping the ball off 12 times to a running back. So I'm kind of scared of this New England offense for fantasy. Brave new world. And I think it'll hurt Edelman's stock, too, if they've got a quarterback that starts to throw downfield more than Brady did or could last year. It's something we're going to keep track of. Obviously, we podcast all the time, but it's not the only podcast that you can download and listen to. Or in the case of YouTube, watch for free on YouTube. you can watch us there but it is officially nfl draft season and we've got the pick six nfl podcast those guys are in indianapolis right now for nfl combine coverage nfl draft expert ryan wilson is

on hand he will be joined by experts who have covered the combine through its evolution including brady quinn who participated in the combine 2007 including pete priscoe who's never done the actual combine but he's been in annapolis a zillion times he knows what he's doing lots of really smart voices on the pick six podcast they will continue to bring you daily nfl coverage throughout the offseason you can download and subscribe to the pick six podcast anywhere you find this one i think it'll help you be a smarter sports fan when it comes to the nfl draft in the draft it's about two months away basically today is uh february 27th when we're recording this so the draft is going to be going on two months from today there might be dumb two months from

today i don't know the exact dates do you guys know it'll be one day done one day done we will be very busy people here at cbs sports when it is all done all right we go from tom brady to the other goat heath cummings it's dynasty 150 rankings time i don't even i guess we start at the top right the top 12 players that are that are available in the rankings it starts with christian mccaffrey i think it's a consensus right right, Gretch, that if we've got the number one overall pick in a dynasty draft, it's going to be McCaffrey. Who would be second for you after that,

unless you wouldn't take McCaffrey first? It would be McCaffrey and Barkley, and I think we could just move on. I think that's pretty clear. McCaffrey, Barkley, Michael Thomas is third for Heath, Kamara fourth, George Kittle fifth. That's going to be a single. We'll go back to that in a second. Devonta Adams sixth, Ezekiel Elliott seventh,

Chris Godwin eighth, Dalvin Cook ninth, unless that's Jared Cook. That's not Jared Cook. No, you're not going to take Jared Cook? No. A little too soon for Jared Cook in round one. Patrick Mullen's tenth, like we said earlier, Tyreek Hill eleventh, Nick Chubb twelfth.

So again, McCaffrey, Barkley, Michael Thomas, Patrick Mahomes 10th like like we said earlier Tyreek Hill 11th Nick Chubb 12th so again McCaffrey Barkley Michael Thomas Camara Kittle Devante Adams Ezekiel Elliott Chris Godwin Dalvin not Jared Cook Patrick Mahomes Tyreek Hill Nick Chubb six running backs four wide receivers one tight end one quarterback Kittle at five huh yeah and this is one of the things going through this process. Kittle and Kelsey, as far as a 2020 projection, are about 10% better than anyone. Head and shoulders above the field. The other thing about it, though, is Kittle's also younger

than most of the tight ends that we feel confident are going to give us number one production in 2020. I mean, Mark Andrews would be the definite exception. Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper, you could make an argument for them as well, but they're probably 20% worse than Kittle, maybe even worse. So you look at a 26 year old tight end, Kelsey's 30, Ertz is 29. He has huge upside. I don't think like we've probably seen the best yardage total from Kittle because of outlandish stuff after the catch, but we haven't seen the best yardage total from Kittle because of outlandish stuff after the catch, but we haven't seen the best touchdown season from Kittle for sure. I don't think we've seen his best fantasy

season necessarily. Five more years of elite tight end production at that position. Yeah, I think he's worth a first round pick. And it's hard to see a lot of other tight ends being as good as him over the next five years to where it would be like a brutal mistake like i don't see him trailing off and turning into jared cook i i think he's going to play at the high level for five years just like you're saying and i don't know how many more tight ends are going to come along like i don't think noah fan can get to that level i don't think tj hockinson can get to that level but the one guy that I struggle with is Ezekiel Elliott versus George Kittle. So, Schrager, if it's down to Kittle or Zeke, who are you taking?

I'm going Zeke, and I understand the Kittle edge over the tight end position. But I think Zeke has, every single year, top three upside, number one running back upside. Now, with McCaffrey, maybe not number one. But at the end of the day, Zeke could give you an edge 10%, 20% better than the majority of running back twos. And if that's who you're comparing him to, then he's going to have a huge edge. So Kittle for me is head and shoulders above the tight end position, but I'll still lean Zeke. But what do we think of Zeke having 300-plus touches first three or four seasons? How many more years can Zeke produce?

I think he can still give you minimum four more years. He's 25 years old. He can get to that 29 year mark. And then after that, I don't know. Don't know what he could do, but he's just been so productive that I love having him plug him into my lineup. Don't have to think twice about anything with him. And we can say the same thing about Kittle, but I think that Ezekiel Elliott definitely has that kind of potential. But what about Dalvin Cook?retch what about Dalvin Cook would you take Cook ahead of Kittle do you think Kittle do you think it's just right that Kittle's at five or do you think he belongs later in round one Ben I would take all of these guys probably towards the back end of the first round and I would be

taking guys like DJ Moore in with the fifth pick because that's just how I would play dynasty and I think it's going to be different for different people. And that's why I said, like, when you think about the way that Heath went through this process, I think he did it an absolutely correct way. But at the same time, if you change small assumptions, like how you value future production, you would come away with a lot different ranking system. And so I don't think there really is a specific correct way to do it, but like to,

to Schrager's point about Ezekiel Elliott, how many carries he's had. And to your point about us getting three or four more seasons from him, we would have thought that from David Johnson a couple of years ago. And from Le'Veon Bell, we definitely would have thought it from, from Todd Gurley after his huge season, when he was one of the top,

probably three or five overall dynasty picks these are guys that have lost a ton of value over the last couple of years and they were the elite backs just two or three seasons ago if you look at the elite receivers two or three seasons ago the majority of them are still there and especially the young elite receivers are still around like amari cooper's a guy that three or four years ago i took in the top five at least he's still around you know he hasn't been as great as I thought he would be, but you don't lose all that value with the receiver position. So players like DJ Moore and players like AJ Brown that I know and I feel very confident are going to have long and good careers, and they're still so young that I can feel very

confident about 2021 and 2022 and 2023. Those are guys I would have in the top 10 yeah and and like looking at it from the numbers perspective of what i did zeke and delvin cook if before i adjusted for position we're both ahead of kittle so the position adjustment was what changed that more and kittle were very close now i do think more versus kittle is interesting and it probably gets more into how long into the future are you looking I have a hard time looking much more than four or five years because we probably don't know anything four or five years from now anyway and I don't think Kittle's value is really going to change in the next three to four years other than the fact that three to four years from now you don't

project him to be good three to four years from now but I think he's going to continue to be like he has given us elite production already at his position twice dj moore was very very good and i like him a lot and he probably continues to get better but i think he's riskier than kittle because we don't know for sure what his quarterback situation is going to be like and i don't know that he necessarily has a lot more upside than kittle relative to his position so like i i like more a lot the positional Kittle relative to his position. So I like Moore a lot. The positional thing, I probably factored more than it sounds like you guys would have. You know, the mistake I made when I did our – I'm in the Dynasty League with you, Heath.

The mistake that I made in that league was not going after receivers early. So what Ben is saying to me resonates because when I did that draft, I took a lot of running backs, and i took kittle early in that draft and really i went with the older guys at receiver and i'm paying for it like i got really lucky with terry mclaurin in that draft and uh uh he's basically my number one receiver now and that's kind of pathetic to have in a dynasty league with a bunch of guys who know what they're doing so he's my number 13 receiver but to be the number one guy maybe maybe i got really lucky to get him in round three last year in the rookie draft. Fist pump.

All right. Patrick Mahomes is number 10 overall. And I want to start to getting into the quarterbacks a little bit more. And I get why. And I think I'm going to agree with you on this one, Heath, that he deserves to be a first-round pick in Dynasty because I just think that he's super safe for, we're talking four or five years for Kittle and Zeke.

How many years are you thinking that Mahomes can be good for? Right. And I really just look at it like, again, probably four to five years. He could absolutely be like the most valuable player in fantasy over the next decade. In fact, he probably is the most likely player to be the most valuable player in fantasy over the next decade. And you said super safe, and that's a word that Gretch cringes at, I think. Yeah. But the difference with Mahomes, and I don't think Ben will disagree with this,

he's super safe and also has the ability to win you your league in a given year. He has enormous upside, especially in these rankings were all factored on six-point-per-pass touchdown leagues. His upside, obviously, even greater in those types of leagues. So he is a very rare combination of a quarterback who is under 25 years old, has already shown us the ability to win you your league, and everything around him is just perfect. There's not anything that you would change other than maybe you wish he hadn't dislocated his kneecap on his quarterback sneak right which was as fluky as fluky can get yeah i

mean in redraft you're waiting on quarterbacks waiting on quarterbacks oh no way you're taking a first round quarterback in dynasty with mahomes not being a running quarterback where you think oh maybe he could be out of the league in two years, and also having weekly upside that is probably QB1 every single week, he's a safe upside pick, if that makes any sense. It makes sense. I get what you're saying. And I also think that in a dynasty league, if you've got your quarterback locked up for five-plus years,

it's different than a redraft. You've got years and years to go and build the team around him, whereas in a redraft, you don't have that type of time. That's why Mahomes and Lamar Jackson aren't good first-round picks in seasonal leagues because you're going to miss out on really good players that you need to start winning now. You can't wait. So I think if you're going to take a patient approach anyway in a dynasty league and you're playing more of the long game and you're not trying to win right in 2020,

you're okay with waiting until 21, 23 you can consider mahomes with the first round and ben schrager asked me this morning something about like do you prefer to focus on youth or right now and i think the great thing about having patrick mahomes is that you don't have to make that choice in the first round he is both an excellent choice for winning in 2020 and and if you get to the second or third round and like nobody's taking young players and you want to you decide you know what i'm just gonna i'm gonna punt year one and i want to win in the future he's also an excellent choice for that because he's still going to be awesome three three years from now ben gretchen go ahead ben there's no player in the league that

you could say confidently no zero player at any position that you could say confidently is going to be a key fantasy contributor in 2025 or 2027 more than Mahomes like it's it's very very clear that this guy is going to be very good for a number of years and I think it's very possible that in 2025 we look back and say 2019 was the only kind of down season that he's had to start his career and what was otherwise a historic start to a career because he was banged up in 2019. And what we saw him then go on and do in the playoffs looked a lot like 2018. And there's a very real chance this guy goes out and has one of the all time great statistical careers like Heath was saying. So, yeah, I think he's very much a very safe pick i think where you get into some risk is where okay you say yeah he's the only guy we can project out to 2025 or 2024 or 2026 or whatever it is

but just because we can't project any of the other quarterbacks comfortably into that range doesn't mean that there's not going to be other quarterbacks available especially in single quarterback leagues they're still a replaceable asset they're still going to be new guys like the way that ryan tannahill came out of nowhere. This guy had no dynasty value in single quarterback leagues except the very deep ones going into last year. And now this year, he looks like a pretty reasonable value. I mean, these guys are going to crop up every single season. So it is still going to be a replaceable position. I don't disagree with Heath that he's a very safe move and a very safe play and somebody that you're going to have be a huge piece of your puzzle for the rest of your career.

The person I take more issue with, and this kind of goes back to our bus conversation yesterday where I said the QB3 might be the biggest bust at quarterback this year because he'll get pulled up. You have Deshaun Watson at 14th, and I wonder if he's getting pulled up by having Mahomes in the top 12. Because I think you can make that case about Mahomes. I'm not sure you can make that case about Deshaun Watson. Yeah, I guess there is more injury risk for Deshaun Watson. But I really think it's understated if you just take the running out of the equation. When we talk about these running quarterbacks, and it's like, well, that's going to go away, as it has probably with Cam Newtonton now as they get older and i think it's understated

how good deshaun watson has been as a passer in this league and what he's done in fantasy with still relatively low pass volume so i this is probably just a difference between i'm much more sold that five years from now deshaun watson is going to be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL than I am Lamar Jackson no I get that um I I think Deshaun Watson is an elite passer who also gives you value as a running quarterback right now part one is if Lamar Jackson has another outstanding year in 2020 I'm warning if you change your tune on that you might say okay Lamar Jackson can be a really good quarterback for fantasy long term. It will depend. It won't be a repeat of last year.

But if it is as— Let's say it's 90% of last year. He's got to do it through the air, though, right? He's got to do more through the air. But what if he doesn't? What if he still continues to just be dominant? I won't believe that he can run like that for more than three or four years. But if you have that—

But that's still pretty darn good. And I think that three or four more years is kind of where we're looking out on watson i know what you're saying that he could he could be better longer than that but i i think another year could really prove something ben what's up yeah i mean i was just going to say if you have those concerns with jackson then neither watson or jackson can be second round values i mean that that would be the way that I would read that. I don't think it means that they both can be and have Watson ahead of Jackson. I think taking that stance that Watson can be ahead of Jackson is fine, but then what you're saying is that this very replaceable position,

they're not like Mahomes. Mahomes would be the exception that we think he's going to be elite and elite for a long time, and these guys, there's less concern. I mean, I know, Heath, you're very high on Watson. You feel very confident in his ability on the road but just even even just saying that mahomes is still going to be in the league and watson will almost at best be the second best quarterback um just seems seems tough to take him ahead of like dj moore for instance i'm going to go around the table always comes back to dj moore well i was i was gonna i i was gonna ask you guys who

you would rather have long-term in dynasty between watson and more because you do have watson ahead of more in the trade chart but i'm going to change the question watson or lamar jackson versus calvin ridley and ridley another young wide receiver who has some great potential right now he hasn't yeah he doesn't have a thousand yard season yet but we see that he can be a good player just real quick one word answer going around the room i'm going to start with ben gretch who would you rather have one of those quarterbacks or calvin ridley in dynasty ridley ridley as well i've got both quarterbacks ahead of ridley and i

think i think having ridley at like 28th amongst players in the top 150 is probably higher than consensus so i i like ridley a lot okay okay and i do too um another quarterback with an interesting ranking and we'll go quick on this is russell wilson 31 years old you've got him as a ninth round pick 107th overall that's below josh allen but above carson wentz allen's 24 wentz is 27 and right below what you would deem fair for a 2020 rookie late second round pick how many more years do you see russ doing what he's doing and and there's already some thought that he could get better in 2020 yeah for fantasy i'm talking the production could go up i am very uncomfortable with ranking russell

wilson anywhere there's not a place where i could rank him where i would feel comfortable because of the situation like he wants to play faster and throw the ball more. He has an offensive coordinator and a head coach that maybe they will do that a little bit, but he's also like a quarterback for the most part. It's looked like with Brady and breeze, we don't have to worry about age 31 years old. I don't know that I totally buy into that,

especially when Wilson has been a guy who's generally ran for 300 or 400 yards. That guy doesn't generally age quite as well as the others. So I'm not going to defend where I have Russell Wilson ranked. I had him at four in January. I've got him at seven, I think, at quarterback now. There's really no telling where he'll be next month. Do you have the full quarterback rankings in front of you for Dynasty? I do.

Can you run through the top seven for me, please? Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott, Josh Allen,

Russell Wilson. Okay. You know, I, I'm sorry, Ben, what's up? I just said,

I like those ranks. Those are, those are solid. I like having Murray being that aggressive on Murray. Cause it is a replaceable position. And I think you shoot for upside. If you're going to take a quarterback reasonably high. How about this as a, solid i like having murray being that aggressive on murray because it is a replaceable position and i think you shoot for upside if you're going to take a quarterback reasonably high how about this is a as a dynasty draft strategy let's just say you you heard us talking about my homes going in

round one and you think that we're cuckoo for it you've got jared goff 132nd matt ryan 161st like they are just way off the radar and i get why they're not necessarily popular fantasy quarterbacks but what about the idea of waiting to draft a quarterback in your dynasty league and then you go into your rookie draft and you go get burrow or to otago violoa or even wait till 2021 to get trevor lawrence schrager you're giving me a look like that sounds good i like it i mean i like the idea of trevor lawrence even more than burrow if you have to spend a top four pick this year on burrow because i really like the running back and wide receiver talent in this year's class if you could get burrow though with the fifth or sixth overall pick in a rookie draft i think it's an awesome strategy pair him with a

matt ryan in like ninth tenth eleventh round that would be awesome and i generally like in a one quarterback league i'm probably not going to have a quarterback in my top 10 picks generally so unless it's my homes and well no i mean in a rookie draft okay right like i'm probably there are going to be five receivers and four or five running backs that i want more than joe burrow this year yeah i i think burrow could make my top 10 this year i was like that way last year but i think he could be one of those quarterbacks that could be i'm not going to put him on the echelon of my homes where you're going to have him in your lineup forever, but I think that he's got some potential. Gretchen, you agreeing with me on that one?

I was more interested in Heath's comment because I kind of want to drill down on that. When you asked me the Ridley or the two quarterbacks question, I was thinking, who would I draft in a rookie draft? And who do I think I can get more trade value out of? And I think in one QB leagues, especially 12 team leagues that don't have crazy settings that limit things, you wind up with more than enough good quarterbacks that it's actually hard to trade quarterbacks. If you have multiple good quarterbacks, like if you go into a startup, I would never QB hoard in a startup, even if they're falling a ton. Because you'll actually have a hard time trading them and getting full value because pretty much everyone is okay with what they have. Even if it's like Ryan Fitzpatrick for one year and then grabbing Ryan Tannehill the next year, people seem to be able to make do at quarterback and they would rather trade for some guy like

Ryan Tannehill or Ryan Fitzpatrick or some one-year plug-in with a late-round pick, then trade for what probably should be the value for a guy like Lamar Jackson or Deshaun Watson. But really, their true value seems to be less. I just don't see those guys get moved a lot. So I think that's kind of interesting what you said about not wanting to take a quarterback in the first 10 rounds. Yeah, I wonder, wonder like that sounded what you were talking about very very true from my experience but also like it's very very much what exists inside our bubble like i i think i think that the i don't believe there are a lot

of dynasty players that are outside and there are again there aren't a lot of dynasty players that are outside of the industry so maybe maybe that doesn't really matter too much but i think in most non-analyst leagues just like in redraft quarterbacks have a lot more value and there are very few owners in those leagues that are fine with having ryan fitzpatrick as their starting quarterback and just not being willing to trade for a quarterback but going back to like the rookie quarterbacks versus having mahomes in the top 10 picks i the rookie quarterback's probably going to be bad next year almost always the rookie quarterback is bad when you say bad do you mean just not startable not somebody like occasionally it's that they're a low-end starter

maybe um but probably not someone you want to start this year. That's fine. And so then what's their value going into their second year? I think in a dynasty league, people will hold because they expect them to be rough in the rookie year. Like in Kyler Murray right now. Like no one. Sure.

But no one's going to get Kyler Murray on the cheap in their dynasty league. But what about Dwayne Haskins? Last year, maybe. Yes, Haskins you can get on the cheap in a dynasty league. For what about last year maybe yes haskins you can get on the cheap and for almost nothing right sure um so i i don't i i think there's a big difference between like for me mahomes watson and jackson and number one rookie pick at quarterback which i totally get all right let's move to running backs and we're not going to be able to get into like crazy deep on the running backs but there are two guys that I think are interesting for dynasty purposes. And obviously, they're going to have impact in seasonal fantasy as well.

David Montgomery did not have the year that I thought we all really believed. Well, maybe not really believed, but certainly could have had. He's RB19 for you, Heath. Got him as a sixth-round pick in a startup. 23 years old, and the Bears are saying that he can be a featured back. They, they're gonna, it sounds like they're going to stick with him and not try and,

you know, they haven't soured on him. Like maybe some fantasy managers might have. Yeah. And I have it totally soured on him. It's obviously not good to have one year gone from your career as a running back and feel worse about you. I think I had him around running back 14 earlier, so he has definitely fallen for me a little

bit, but he's still a 23-year-old running back that has a decent shot of being a feature back. I still think, like, I do have Singletary ahead of him now, and I don't really feel good about it because I believe Montgomery has a better chance of being a 300-touchback over a two- or three-year stretch than Singletary does. But what happened in the rookie year does matter, and Singletary looked a lot better. You've got him below James Conner.

You've got him above Darius Geis. I guess that makes sense. I mean, I'm still a little nervous about James Conner's long-term view because of all the injuries that he's taken on, and it won't take much for the Steelers to move on from him if they so choose. And we can say the same thing about the Bears, but it sounds like they're committed to him. Would you rather have – you've got him between rookie pick 1.06 and 1.07.

Would you rather have one of those rookie wide receivers, maybe your third favorite rookie wide receiver and i'm for me right now it's henry ruggs would you rather have ruggs who does have some pretty good potential man he could end up being a really good player in this league or would you rather have montgomery that's probably close enough for me that it would depend on my roster construction and where i'm at in the process And that really matters in Dynasty when you're talking trade. If I was rebuilding, then I'd probably rather have the wide receiver. But if I'm trying to win in the next year or two, I'd probably rather have Montgomery.

There's a really interesting point here, and I know we're going position by position, but I really want to talk a little bit about where Heath values the rookie picks as well because I think the story of where he has David Montgomery is that you don't lose value on rookie picks. David Montgomery did go down a little bit, but if he's still a six-round startup value after the rookie year he just had

and the way that the Chicago Bears offense looks so much less, we should be so much less optimistic about it than we were this time last year because Trubisky looks like he's not going to be the guy and we just don't really know what's going to happen but yet Dave Montgomery didn't really lose value if you drafted him last year you even though you didn't get much production in year one and that sucks you can still trade him and start over with a new

rookie pick and then the advantage to going after those rookie picks is there is so much upside at the top of rookie drafts which is something I grabbed some some data on and would love to get into in a few minutes. But you have the potential to get the Zeke or the Saquon Barkley. All those guys came from the upper parts of rookie drafts. So it is really interesting to me. David Montgomery, I don't think he could have had much worse of a year while seeing the volume he had, and we're still valuing him in the sixth round. The truth is these guys, they don't lose value.

What's the risk? i do think like the thing that would have made the year worse for him is if he would have had that type of efficiency with 120 carries and 15 targets like the fact that he earned that type of volume is a plus in and of itself okay i i think of jonathan taylor jk dobbins deandre swift i think of jerry judy cd lamb and henry ruggs and those are just six rookies that are coming into the league and i think i'm taking all six of them ahead of david montgomery right now perfect and so now i'm starting to think about well who would who would that seventh rookie be would it be like like if clyde edwards la ends up in a great spot?

Or Zach Moss is someone that we've talked about. Joe Burrow could be that guy. If I can turn Montgomery into that and I really like those players, I'm going to do it. And I've got Montgomery in our dynasty league. And I would bet that I could not get a first round pick for him in our league. Not that I'm necessarily going to try, but I would think about it depending on how the rest of these rook rookies shake out I'm going to see what first round pick I have in that league to make you an offer and I've already got three and I love this class and I think it's really deep so I think that there's potential there definitely trade David Montgomery for a new first round pick in the 2020

draft I would do that every day I am thinking that Montgomery could be just a tad high but there is potential for him to come back and have a smash hit second year, help save Matt Nagy's job in Chicago and help the Bears go back to being potentially a playoff team. What potential do you think? Because we're playing in probabilities with all this. What potential do you think is there for that? And I think that's a really key point, because what we learned in year one isn't promising that David Montgomery is like an Ezekiel Elliott or Alvin Kamara or any of those types of player. It's not promising. I think there's a very small potential that David Montgomery suddenly becomes a superstar, like an elite superstar. There's probably a higher likelihood that he becomes a role player than an elite superstar. I think that goes without saying. Those first round picks though, and this is the data I just want to mention because I threw it out there. Last year, a lot of people said

Josh Jacobs being the 101 wasn't probably the most valuable 101 we've had in a few years. We didn't have elite prospects. But 2018, everyone loves Saquon. He has been what he was supposed to be. There wasn't another really great hit in that class. Nick Chubb was a good one,

but there were a lot of busts. Rashad Penny, Sonny Michel, Ronald Jones, they all went in the first round. But 2017, you have Fournette and McCaffrey and Dalvin Cook were the top backs. And Joe Mixon. All of them still have top 24 dynasty value. In 2016, it was Zeke 101 for sure. And the only one who could challenge him was Derrick Henry. In 2015, it was melvin gordon and

todd girley those guys that were elite rb1s for multiple seasons so for me the 101 the 102 the 103 especially in a class like 2020 where people are talking about these prospects as being on the melvin gordon scale on melvin wood was an elite prospect on the ezekiel elliott scale on the saquon barkley scale especially jon Jonathan Taylor, who people are talking about potentially going to absolutely crush the combine. And we'll find that out very, very soon here. But those picks, they're going to have value down the road and they have the potential to be top five future, like next offseason.

We're talking about Jonathan Taylor as a top five overall dynasty player. And I don't think David Montgomery has anything close to that potential. But no one's arguing you shouldn't trade 1.2, 1.1, 1.3 for Montgomery. We're talking about like 1.7, 1.8, 1.9. And there were definitely people last year that were taking probably half of the first round from last year. What's Nikhil Harry's value now compared to where it was? Yeah, that's a guy you could definitely get on the team. Because he was the first.

But I don't think you can get him too cheap because I think the people that drafted Nikhil Harry, I'm sure a lot of them reached for him and took him a lot sooner than maybe you and I would have felt comfortable taking him. He was a top two or three pick in Dynasty League. He was in our Dynasty League, he was. And it stunned me. I thought he was worth a first, but not that high up. What did, like, Daryl Henderson's value is not better.

No, his value is worse. And I think you could probably get him, yeah, but no one's going to give up anything. Damian Harris? Those guys were late first, early second round picks at best. Right, but that's more what we're arguing Montgomery against than those top three picks that you were talking about, is what I'm saying.

Yeah. I'm not saying you should definitely, if you can get a top five pick for Montgomery, you should take it. A top six pick, I think I have six ahead of Montgomery. You do. This back half of the first round is is I know this is a deep class and as we get closer to the draft I might change my that's what I'm thinking is that once you realize you once you realize how many high upside rookies there are in this class you'll start to either adjust Montgomery and guys like Montgomery down or you'll adjust the value of those draft picks and you'll move them up. Let's move to wide receivers. Two guys that are a little old and

they're ranked interestingly. You've got who, and by the way, if you want to see these rankings, you can go to Heath's Twitter feed. It's on there. You can go to cbssports.com. You can find the link there. There's a whole bunch of dynasty stuff on there now i'm really proud of what we've done because we haven't really delved this deep into dynasty before you can also google heath dynasty 2020 and it'll be the first link that comes up on google or just dynasty fantasy football and really and that'll be the first thing that comes up awesome a lot of ways that you can go and find this list and see what the values are long term whether you're just starting in a dynasty league or you've been playing we also and this is this is a lot of ways that you can go and find this list and see what the values are long term, whether you're just starting in a dynasty league or you've been playing. We also, and this is a lot of stuff you've done.

We also have a link now on the right side of the fantasy football page that is just all of our dynasty content and also includes all the prospect profiles we're doing for the rookies. And all the profiles you've done. We are definitely going deep on rookies this year. We know you guys love it and we want to be able to get you as informed as possible. And we'll do that on the podcast, too. We have a lot of great stuff coming down the line. But Julio Jones is 30 years old. He will be 31 at the start of next year.

Keenan Allen, we've already talked about it this week, is 28 years old. We know that those guys aren't going to be playing forever. And you've got them ranked a little lower than I thought people – ranked lower than I think I would have them ranked. Julio Jones is at 56. Keenan Allen is 68. They're behind Christian Kirk. They're behind James Conner, DJ Chark, way behind Darren Waller,

which, I mean, I don't know if I could do that. I love Darren Waller. I don't know if Darren Waller can keep doing what he's been doing for the next four or five years. They can't. So I'm wondering where you came to this conclusion on Julio and Keenan Allen, and if you consider them maybe two of the best bargains to trade for if you're trying to win now in Dynasty. I think it's probably the other way because most of the feedback that I've received is you have Keenan Allen and Julio too low.

So I would view them more as if you have these guys on your roster, I'd probably be trying to deal them. The history for elite wide receivers, and there are exceptions. I mean, Jerry Rice had a Hall of Fame career after he turned 30. Larry Fitzgerald has had amazing years after he turned 30. The history for elite wide receivers after 30 or 31 is not very promising that I feel better about Julio, even though he's three years older, because I think in 2020, he's probably going to be a top five or six wide receiver. And that has huge value just in, if you're getting a top 12 guy for one or two years, Keenan Allen, I could feel better about it if I knew what his situation was going to be, but you know, elements of the situation, right? You know what his situation was going to be. But you know elements of the situation, right?

You know that he's going to be in his role. The offense isn't changing. That's the thing. Who's throwing him the football? Who's throwing him the football? And so, yeah, they are difficult players to value. They're impossible players to put on a trade chart as a universal rule because these players are very valuable to one of the top two or three teams

in the league and have almost no value at all to a team that's not going to be competitive in the next two years like if you're rebuilding there is no amount you should really trade for julio jones because he's probably not going to be good in three years you've got darren waller's 27 i think dave picked out a pretty clear one that we could say, Heath, you're wrong on this one. Darren Waller's 27. He had one good year. He's one year younger than Keenan Allen, who has an entire good career,

and Julio Jones, who has a couple years younger than Julio Jones, who has a whole good career. A half a decade younger than Julio Jones. Yeah, but we're talking about one good season for a 27-year-old. I'm not buying that. Okay, and this is one that I think I do agree with you on. A.J. Brown had the great year last year for Tennessee, and we're all very excited about him, and there's good reason for it.

He's 23 years old. You've got him at 44. So A.J. Brown at 44, Julio Jones at 56. Oh, Ben thinks that's way too low. Keenan Allen at 68. Ben thinks that A.J. Brown is way too low at 44. A.J. Brown is below McLaurin, below Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup's 27.

McLaurin's a young stud. He's above Kenny Galladay, and he's after rookie pick 1.05. I think that this is one where I would commend you and say you nailed it. A.J. Brown is a fourth-round pick in a dynasty startup. I think people will certainly chase that number that he had last year and expect more from it especially if tennessee starts to get their quarterback situation improved you told me when i was going through this process um for reference something about leaning on public perception it's huge right i don't i didn't really do that because this is

my approximation of the value of the players. If I was trying to do that, I would be too low on AJ Brown and Ben's going to tell me I'm too low on AJ Brown. I think maybe as an overall thing, not necessarily as a wide receiver thing, wide receiver 14 seems pretty fair. There's immense upside. It's also that we saw this over like, what, 90 targets, and he's on a team with a questionable quarterback situation

that is probably not going to throw the ball very much, at the very least, for the next two years. They're not changing philosophies after one bad year next year. They're probably not going to have a bad year next year. They'll be a competitive year next year. They're probably not going to have a bad year next year. They'll be a competitive team next year. So he's probably in a low-volume pass offense for at least the next two years. Yeah, and he did just kind of overcome that this year,

but I agree. But that's another reason why I would actually like him more in Dynasty than in Redraft. I think in Redraft, the hesitation for what his price might end up being, I've seen him go in the second round, which is probably too high. It is warranted because we don't really know if they're going to throw enough in 2020.

But in Dynasty, I have no doubts in my mind that this guy's going to be an elite receiver the rest of his season. I mean, like, you know, as few doubts as you can have. Because I don't just look at those 90 targets. I'm looking at his entire collegiate career and the massively impressive age-adjusted production, how much more dominantly productive he was than DK Metcalf in the same offense in college. This guy hits all the boxes that predict future success, and then he did it as a rookie, as a young rookie at the NFL level.

That's why I was all over DJ Moore last offseason, was taking him in every one of our mocks. I was saying this guy is undervalued. We should be giving him a longer leash than just what he did in his rookie season because he did it in college as well. And we saw that come out in year two for him, and his value is going to continue to rise. If anything, I think A.J. Brown should be higher because we can project him as that good of a player long-term already,

and you get more seasons out of that. Like the fact that we know that so soon, it's almost like the Patrick Mahomes question. He's very, very low bust risk at this point, based on everything he did in college and then did as a rookie. But if you took him in the second or third round, the most likely third,

third round, first, first, first round of dynasty. Yeah. He's probably going to be a disappointment for what you paid for him in year one like he's not going to be a top 12 receiver yeah um i so like it's a very low bus risk but you're accepting the fact that you're paying more

than he's going to produce for at least next year and i would argue two years because i think their success they had last year means they're probably sticking with the same system for the next two years. So, yes, he does have – he's very, very good, and he does have a great long-term outlook. But I think if you're taking A.J. Brown in the first round of your dynasty startup, you're accepting the fact that you are probably not playing for the 2020 championship. Not at all true. Yeah, I think it is because you are already after the first round behind the people that took better players in the first round. You guys just made a great point a little bit ago that you can get cheap veteran production late. And, you know, I referenced a little bit ago that I took amari cooper at like after i think his rookie year um it was you know after his second year and it was

right before he had a really really down third season i took him second overall and i played in the championship in year one in that league because i did get the the cheap veteran production later you can find that stuff but you're building blocks on your team that the elite number first second third fourth round picks should be young guys that will retain value. I think there's no question about that. All right. I want to get to our questions that we got, our dynasty mailbag, as it were. But I would like to ask each of you, and you can think about it for a minute.

We'll answer a couple questions first. Who your favorite dynasty sleeper is. So if you're in a draft a guy that you can look for late in the draft that could be a guy that ends up helping you out and get you great value later on but let's start with the mailbag this is one an apple pod review question thank you for leaving us the five-star review on apple the top players on my dynasty roster are deshaun watson jamis winston zeke elli Amari Cooper, and Terry McLaurin. And I have picks 101, 112, 211, and 212 in a rookie draft.

What positions would you target with those four picks, knowing the players that this guy has? He doesn't leave a name. We'll call him Ross from London. Ross from London? 101 is going to be a running back. I would think so. I think there's got to be a priority on running back here because you only have the one i don't think you have to worry about quarterback

because you've got deshaun watson and you got winston for whatever that ends up being it would be helpful um this is just a good time to say this when you send in dynasty or redraft questions give us a little more information about the league because if it's a super flex league that changes things if if how many running backs you need to start would change things like i'm in an auction right now you only have to start one running back but yeah i would say like it's going to be a running back and it's probably i won't say who i think it is yet but it's a running back and then taylor swift dobbins one of those i'm probably going to lean wide receiver after that and there will be a lot of good ones right in that

turn of one two the the uh the the ragers and uh chanel i'm not sure if i'm pronouncing that right but he's gonna end up being good there's gonna be a lot of justin jefferson could be one i like that let's go to twitter from uh from da superflex ppr this is a trade, Heath. Here we go. Get your trade chart ready. You're giving up 1.05, and you're getting 1.09, 3.09, and AJ Green. What do you think? Who wins that deal, Heath? This is a great question.

Good job, Ben Schrager, choosing this one to illustrate a point that I made in the article about the trade chart. If it is a two for one or a three for one deal, you cannot accept an even deal. Like the trade chart would tell you 1.9 plus 3.9 plus A.J. Green is worth more than 1.5. Just barely. I would rather have 1.5. Knowing that you're getting one of the five guys that we talked about earlier um but if you're trying to win now and you're only moving back four spots couldn't couldn't da just take a list of of the rookies that are available and make a top 10 list and know that he would get he's guaranteed to get one of them whether he picks at 105 or 109 if

there's a difference between the talent that's there, Schrager, what do you think? I think the hit rate at 105 is going to be a lot better than the hit rate at 109, especially we have such a deep class. We don't know which of the deeper guys are going to hit, whereas the top six guys, in my opinion, are going to hit at a much higher rate. So I would rather have the 1.05 than the 1.09. From Josh McMillanan tight end premium league i think rich disagree

i just i have to disagree i just i and i also have to make a point that aj green is the same age as julio jones he had one injury riddled season and you're now valuing him that low that you won't even trade him to move back or get him to move back four spots from 105 to 109 and you're getting a 309 with it like that to me like we were just talking about veteran value and whether or not it disappears that is the perfect encapsulation after one injury marred season and he has had some other injury problems but yeah he was elite a couple years ago elite a first round redraft pick just maybe two or three years ago. Right on par with Julio Jones.

And now we're not even giving him any dynasty value at all. Okay, that was a complete misrepresentation of A.J. Green. He is a year older than Julio Jones. He's going to turn 32 in about a month. Two months, maybe. I'm 31 right now. I just looked it up quick. He missed seven games in the

2018 season he missed six games in the 2016 season he has had one elite season since 2015 but i think you could still squeeze out one more good year for aj green i think everybody's kind of expecting that i could understand saying that you'd rather have the aj green side the trade chart says the aj green right which is why i actually i agree with the chart on this one i think you're getting but he's missed a decent amount just to move back four a lot of time in the last four years i mean i was that he was a redraft first round pick just two or three years ago like at least in the one two borderline definitely at least a second round redraft pick two seasons ago like not long ago we can we can say he's had injury problems and look back at it,

but that's what his value was two years ago. All right, I'm going to keep going with the tweets. This is from Josh McMillan, tight end premium league. He's trading away Saquon, and he's going to give up Gerald Everett with it. He's going to get James Conner, Tyler Lockett, Darren Waller, and the 1.11 pick in the 2020 draft. So the 11th pick in the first round.

Correct. Okay. And his running backs, because he's giving away Saquon in this deal, he's still going to have Gordon, Carson, David Johnson, Jordan Howard. I got a hard time pulling off this deal. I have a hard time with that being what I'm getting in return for Saquon. I don't think it's enough. Yeah, I can't think it's enough. I, yeah,

I, I can understand thinking that again, it's a lot of players for basically one player. Um, I don't think Gerald Everett really has much impact on the deal one way or the other, but, um,

I, I'd probably take the Connor side, but I think I like Connor more than anybody else. I think you like Connor and Waller a little bit more than I would. You've got three starters and a first-round rookie pick. I mean, you might have three starters this year. I don't know if Connor's going to be a starter in 2021. I can't say with 100% certainty that Waller would be.

I feel a little bit better about Waller than I do Connor being a starter starter in 2021 i do think that tyler lockett is definitely good value moving on from at luke jet give kenyan drake and julio jones here we go with another julio jones discussion for james white will fuller nikhil harry john brown and 1.13 all right so we've now this is going to be the third trade that we're going to look at where someone's giving up a pretty nice piece, a nice player, and they're getting like a bunch of like smaller chips, as it were, in exchange for the one. Like they're breaking up a key player. In this case, Julio, I know that we're devaluing him a little bit, but him and Drake, I think that there's some potential for both those guys to be good key players in fantasy you're breaking it up into smaller pieces heath who are the is the white fuller harry brown and 1.13 ahead of julio jones and kenyan drake here it is not for me me neither

it's like julio jones as old as he is could outlast Will Fuller based on Will Fuller's injury history. I don't care how young Will Fuller is. They both may have three more years in the league. So I don't care about that part, and I think Kenyon Drake is much better than any of the other players in the deal. Gretch. I think it's close. I'll take the young guys.

I would look for more than that for Drake and Julio. I don't think that's quite enough. From Soccer Onion. That's kind of funny. Superflex, half PPR. Team A, Drake, Haskins, Deontay Johnson, 1.11, 3.03. So third pick in round three, second to last pick in round 11. In exchange for the third overall pick, Malcolm Brown and Justice Hill.

Oh, that, sorry. That's all one side of a deal. I thought you were saying 103 for Malcolm Brown and Justice Hill. No, no, no. It's basically 103, and you get the throw-in of Malcolm Brown and Justice Hill and whatever they end up being in exchange for the package of Kenyon Drake, Deontay Johnson, Dwayne Haskins, and 111, along with a third rounder,

an early third rounder. Would anybody like to say whether... Yeah, okay. So Ben likes the 103. I'll take the 103 as well. I think I'm probably going to take the Haskins side, but I think that's a close trade. And Superflakes.

I think I'm taking the Drake-Johnson-Haskins side as well. I don't love it, but I think I'm taking it because I do still see upside in Deontay Johnson and Drake. And look, for what it's worth, you still have a first-round pick. It's just way later in the round. There's still going to be somebody good there. From Eric, this is the last one, Eric EGB1822.

That's his Twitter handle. There's an underscore in there in case you want to follow him. He's in a PPR Dynasty League. Would you trade Dak Prescott and A.J. Brown for Deshaun Watson and Mike Williams? There's no way Ben would. Dak and A.J. Brown, to me, is ahead of deshaun watson and mike williams

but i have a feeling that heath you're gonna say that the watson side's ahead because where you've got watson i would take watson and williams i'll take dac and aj brown all right three against one there eric hopefully you can make a good call that's gonna do it that's the start of what we're talking about for dynasty and fantasy football we'll get to other dynasty shows as the offseason rolls on fun show i think that i think it's it's fascinating outworks that we get to kind of get this peek into heath's brain oh yeah i really enjoyed it that's why i have the headache because you guys were in my brain oh i'm sorry that you've got a headache but you know what it dynasty leagues are fun and they're gaining popularity and I totally get it. It's the passion

of fantasy football, right? You want to feel even more connected to these players and you want to be able to say, I took A.J. Brown back when no one else knew who he was

and now I would take him with the first pick overall in a Dynasty draft. I think that's what Ben Gretsch would do. We are going to talk about the XFL on our show tomorrow

with RJ White, who's 11-1 picking against the spread in the XFL. It's basically like he's choosing what's going to happen in the XFL. Lots of DFS talk to get you ready for XFL action this weekend. So let's wrap it up. Ben Gretsch, Ben Schrager, Heath Cummings, Deb Thiele, Andrew Bommer, everybody working on the Fantasy Football Today podcast. On behalf of them, I'm Dave Richard. Thanks for coming out.