Fantasy Football Today - Dynasty WR and TE Rankings; Fantasy Regulators (03/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

Reacting to the latest news as Breshad Perriman joins the Jets and Robby Anderson joins the Panthers. Does this affect D.J. Moore at all? We do some rankings debates (2:48) to tell you how we feel about these WRs. And more news from around the NFL (11:24). A lot of WRs are on the move ... Heath tells us who is rising (17:15) and falling (24:00) in his Dynasty WR rankings. Adam Thielen is a Top 12 WR for 2020, but is he even a Top 24 WR in Dynasty? Is Will Fuller too low in the rankings? And then we take a look at Dynasty TE risers (26:40) and fallers (33:09) with discussions about Jonnu Smith, T.J. Hockenson, Noah Fant and more ... The Fantasy Regulators are back (35:53) to settle your league disputes! And we talk to Buccaneers beat writer Greg Auman of The Athletic (43:14). Can you guess what we asked him about? ... Email us at [e-mail] and tweet us with #AskFFT 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Robbie Anderson is on the Panthers.

Brashad Perryman is replacing Robbie Anderson on the Jets. Greg Allman is coming on the show. He is a Bucks beat writer. We actually already recorded the interview. You'll hear that at the end of the show. And I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings. Good morning, everybody.

How are you today, Heath? I am fantastic. I have seen the notes for the show and I'm greatly looking forward to answering some of these questions the regulators questions no oh the other questions well Dave Richard sent me

some questions the other day he asked me if I had any advice for working from home and I said find the place in your house where you can get locked in mentally. When you sit down there, you know it's time to be productive and try not to snack too much. And Dave said, I'm 0 for 3 so far.

So how's it going, Dave? How's the transition to working from home? It's something. I'm coming to you live from my backyard. So you may hear a breeze or a bird or who knows what else, a neighbor, but hopefully not. Um, but I found my place. It's peaceful out here. It's shady. So getting some work done out here and, um, yeah, snacking is rough. Very, very rough when you're at home and, and, uh, you got a cabinet full of goodies and a goodies and a wife who keeps a house full of really,

really good food all the time. So I'm probably going to put on the COVID-19 while I'm sitting here at home. Jeez. And welcome, Jamie. I don't have anything clever to say to you, but hi. I watched the entire Tiger King. You know what? I was going to ask if anybody had seen Tiger King, but I felt like the three of you, and offense intended here, are just very, very unhip,

rarely watch popular things, and I didn't think there was a chance in hell any of you was going to watch Tiger King. I don't even know what that is. Proven wrong. Did you like it? I watched the first one two nights ago. No. Did I watch them all yesterday? I watched them all yesterday. Wow. it? I watched the first one two nights ago. No.

Did I watch them all yesterday? I watched them all yesterday. Wow. Yeah, I watched the first one, and then I got hooked, and so I just finished the whole thing. I guess it was good. It's fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. I heard the podcast.

It's about this crazy guy who owns tigers. Crazy people. His fight with an animal rights activist. Yeah. There was a podcast over My Dead Body season two, and then they did a show out of it. It's really good. Yeah.

All right. Let's rock and roll here. Rankings questions. DJ Moore went 13th overall in the post-free agency three-receiver PPR league that we did. Mike Evans went later. So first question. Now Robbie Anderson is on the Panthers.

Obviously, Tom Brady's on the Bucs. Mike Evans or DJ Moore? Heath? I've gone back and forth on this one, I think, three times in the last two months. I currently have DJ Moore one spot ahead of Mike Evans and Mike Evans in PPR and Mike Evans just ahead of DJ Moore in non PPR. I think that the solidifying of Moore's quarterback situation with Bridgewater was good. I think the slight downgrade when Tom Brady went to Tampa for Mike Evans, but then a slight downgrade for DJ Moore when Robbie Anderson went to Carolina.

Okay, Dave, Anderson or, sorry, not Anderson, Moore or Evans? I'm going to take Evans over Moore and Anderson. In that order. I'm not crazy about Moore compared to the other guys here, but I think he can be good. I think volume will be fine. Adding Robbie Anderson is just adding another pair of hands to feed here because McCaffrey is going to get his. I don't think Curtis Samuel is going away. I think Ian Thomas is going to get a couple of catches each week, and Robbie obviously is going

to have a role. This is a spread offense. It's not going to be filtered through one or two receivers. It's going to be filtered through everybody, and it could be even targets some weeks. This is kind of what I think Heath refers to with Arizona and why he doesn't like DeAndre Hopkins so much. He's worried about this happening in Arizona. And shoot, maybe it will. But that would surprise me. I think it is going to happen in Carolina. And DJ Moore for me, even in PPR, not even a top 24 pick. Interesting.

Jamie, how about you? Moore or Evans? Evans for now. I'm with Heath. I haven't gone back and forth on it as long as he has, but just since the Robbie Anderson signing. I think it's a downgrade for Moore. Just it's a matter of how much of a downgrade is it going to be

because they're going to be one of the more pass-heavy teams, I think, just based on how the division is, how their defense is, how game flow could potentially go for them. And the thing about Bridgewater is he's going to get the ball out quick. And so his top two targets are going to be clearly McCaffrey and Moore. It's just a matter of how much does each guy lose with Robbie Anderson on the field. And so, I mean, I think we'd all agree Curtis Samuel is the biggest loser with Robbie Anderson coming. It's just a matter of how much does DJ Moore lose.

So in non-PPR, for me, it's easy to go Evans because I think the touchdowns are going to clearly be in his favor. In PPR, I have him back-to-back right now. Evans at eight and Moore at nine. For Robbie Anderson, we can get into this in a little bit, but we're not expecting a very prolific offense, maybe. Teddy Bridgewater is not going to throw for 5,000 yards, probably not going to throw for 4,500. But Robbie Anderson has been on. He might be close to offense, maybe. Teddy Bridgewater's not going to throw for 5,000 yards, probably not going to throw for 4,500.

But Robbie Anderson has been on... He might be close to 4,500. I would be shocked. That's a big number. If they're chasing points to the level that they could be, I think it's possible. How many quarterbacks you think threw for 4,500 last year? It was like four or five.

There's no way Teddy Bridgewater's going to be in the top five passing. Is he going to average 7.5 yards per pass attempt? I've got him at 7.2. I would say 7. Okay, so he could get close to 4,500. You divide 4,500 by 600, and it's 7.5. Well, that's completions.

Oh, you're saying attempt per attempt? Mm-hmm. So let's say it's 4,300. Well, here's what I was going to say about Robbie Anderson. Here's where his quarterbacks with the Jets in four years, they've been in between 3,400

and 3,645 yards and never a 20 touchdown pass season. He has been on terrible passing offenses in his career. The ultimate evidence of that is the fact that only 60% of the throws that went his way last year with the Jets were catchable.

All right, we'll get into him in a bit. Let's get our next rankings update. We'll get into him right now. Robbie Anderson or Curtis Samuel? Heath, Jamie, Dave. I will go with Robbie Anderson. I mean, he's at least shown us the ability to be a top 25

wide receiver in the past and had a down year last year, maybe a down year the last two years and still better than Curtis Samuel's career year. I just don't like, I think this should be the final nail in the coffin, at least for like any sort of realistic hope of Curtis Samuel's fantasy value. At this point, he looks a lot like Tavon Austin with a better hype man. Okay, Anderson or Samuel? He's going Anderson. Jamie?

Anderson. Dave? Samuel. Why? Because I think he's the better short area target. And to me, Robbie just reeks of decoy and shot play a couple times a game. We've never seen Robbie Anderson work as... So the guy that they brought in and who has a connection with the coach is a decoy

that they're paying $1,000,000 for this year? Well, it's not necessarily all decoy. Obviously, they're going to take some deep shots with him, but I think they learned that Curtis Samuel, for whatever reason... Yeah, I think you're underselling Robbie Anderson as a route runner. I don't think he's just a deep guy. Okay. I think Curtis Samuel's a Robbie Anderson as a route runner. I don't think he's just a deep guy. Okay. I think Curtis Samuel is a pretty good route runner too.

I think he's got good yard after the catch potential. Maybe I'll double check all the numbers and we'll, we can compare the two of them. Neither one of them is going to be a player I'm targeting on draft day. And it could be very well where one week it's Curtis Samuel with a good game. And then two weeks go by and neither of them do Jack squat. And then the next week, Robbie's Curtis Samuel with a good game, and then two weeks go by, and neither of them do jack squat. And then the next week, Robbie Anderson has four catches

for 129 yards and two touchdowns. So there's probably not going to be much consistency with either one of these guys. I'd rather have Deontay Johnson. Okay, next rankings question. Let's go Dave, Jamie Heath, Robbie Anderson, or Brashad Perryman? I'll go Anderson for now, but same thing as with Samuel. Just guys that I'm not real excited about taking.

Yeah, let's put that in perspective. Not the most exciting names, but Anderson or Perryman, you're saying Anderson, Jamie? Yeah, Anderson. Heath? Yeah, I'll go Anderson. Last one, Jamison Crowder or Will Fuller? Fuller. Fuller.

Fuller. Fuller because of the upside, but if I had to bet my life on who's going to score more PPR fantasy points in the upcoming year, I would rather bet on Crowder. I will give you an encouraging Jamison Crowder stat. 16-game pace based on the 13 games

he played with Sam Darnold. It was really good for PPR. 86 catches, 933 yards, 7 touchdowns on 133 targets. I mean, he did nothing in three games without Sam Darnold. But the 13 games with Darnold, he was solid. He was unfortunately, like Jameson Crowder always is, extremely inconsistent, extremely unpredictable. We recall three bad games in a row.

And then what does he do in week 14, I think, Thursday night at Baltimore? He has two touchdowns. Everybody's like, oh, of course. I finally benched him, and he goes off. And that's just the experience of Jameson Crowder. I think one thing with the Jets that I'd like to see, because I don't know how quickly Sam Darnold was back from mono. Once he missed time and then how quickly he was himself.

And he was not himself in week one when he played with mono. So it's a fair point. As I mentioned, we have an interview with Bucks beat writer Greg Allman. A lot of important things to ask him. You'll hear that at the end of the show. And Jamie and I talked to him a couple of days ago. We talked to him before Deion Lewis signed with the Giants. So you will hear him reference

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and you can start and stop FFT episodes with your voice. Very powerful. Very cool. So the news and notes, well, some of it we've gone through, some of it we haven't. Robbie Anderson, two years, $20 million. The first year is $12 million. Carolina released

Cam Newton. The Jets signed Brashad Perryman, one year, $8 million. Perryman was otherworldly in the last five games of the season. It doesn't sound like there's much interest in him. Dave, where are you on Perryman? Late round pick, if at all.

Nobody really optimistic about him? I mean, the hope would be, like you said, those five games where he was the featured guy. You know, I do think that it's going to be Crowder, but, I mean think that it's going to be Crowder. We'll see. Again, I'd like to see how Darnold is for a full year healthy. Perryman's also had a lot of injuries.

2015, he missed with a partially torn PCL. He had a partially torn ACL in 2016 in training camp. He missed the 2017 preseason with injuries. He gets a bit of an opportunity here, but only one year, 8 million. Packers signing Devin Funchess.

Heath, does that matter? Well, actually, hold on. Packers signing Funchess. Vikings signing Tajay Sharp. Seahawks signing Philip Dorsett. Redskins signing Cody Latimer. Heath, does any of that matter? Probably not.

If there was a guy, probably not is the best way to say it. But you could see a situation where Devin Funchess catches eight touchdowns and has 550 receiving yards or something and has some fantasy value in non-PPR. I don't have any idea what Washington's doing. It doesn't make sense to me at all with the running backs that they're accumulating. Oh, this is a great hall for Washington.

Peyton Barber, Richard Rogers, Cody Latimer. I mean, I'm nervous to face Washington twice a year. Could really hurt the Giants traffic. No. Yeah.

They're not really doing much inspiring stuff right now. But I guess if you... Ready for a meaningless stat? The most meaningless stat in show history. In the last three seasons, Cody Latimer has had three games with more than five targets. In all three of those games, he has had either 70 yards or a touchdown.

I mean, proud of you for looking up some Cody Latimer data. That's what I do. By the way, this is terrible for Adam Thielen now because Tajay's coming. He's coming off a year where he doubled his career touchdown total. And you saw the report. He's going to start, clearly. I mean, it's obvious, right?

Tajay Sharp, second-round pick now. Yeah, I think he's going to lose to B.C mean, it's obvious, right? Tajay Sharp, second-round pick now? Yeah, I think he's going to lose to B.C. Johnson. I think Johnson's better. Jacksonville signed Tyler Eifert. Does anybody care about Tyler Eifert? Hold on, hold on, hold on. You didn't take me seriously, Jamie. He may have.

What about Tajay Sharp? Yeah, you love him. The love is long gone. Okay. I'll be surprised if he makes the roster at this point. To Tyler Eifert. Jamie, Tyler Eifert to the Jaguars. Do you care?

Only once they sign Andy Dalton to be their starting quarterback. Marcus Mariota acknowledged that the Las Vegas Raiders, that is Derek Carr's team, Mariota publicly at least accepting a backup role, we shall see. The Niners signed Travis Benjamin. Oh, there's one other thing I wanted to say about those wide receivers. Does signing Philip Dorsett grant just a one-year deal? Does it give you any indication of what the Seahawks offense might be morphing into

getting a little more speed on the field, getting that another wide receiver, another big play threat for Russell Wilson. And we already heard that he wants to throw the ball a little bit more and go hurry up or whatever. Does the Philip Dorsett, I know it doesn't matter for Dorsett, but do you think it's an indication that this could be a different type of team this year? Hopefully. Yeah. I mean, I think there is a definite chance. Russell Wilson's comments are more of an indication to me that they could be a different type of team.

I don't know that Philip Dorsett is the type of guy that's going to change anything for me. Right. Okay. Now this is adding competition for the receiver spots behind Lockett and Metcalf. This tells me that they weren't thrilled with the David Moore's and Malik Turner's of the world.

I'm very excited to talk about the mock draft we did yesterday. We're doing another one Tuesday. We're doing another one today. We're going to recap the mock draft on Monday. We're going to have mock draft we did yesterday. We're doing another one. Tuesday, we're doing another one. Today, we're going to recap the mock draft. On Monday, we're going to have Mock Draft Monday coming up. That could be a recurring segment or day. Mock Draft Monday. But some interesting

picks. And all of you at home, think about which Seahawks receiver should go first. And T.Y. Hilton, where do you have him? He fell, I think he was the 26th wide receiver off the board. So things like that, we'll talk about that next week. That's more or less it for the news. Bruce Arian said that Tom Brady can still throw the ball downfield.

And he said that O.J. Howard's, quote, eyes should light up. It's still going out on the practice field and earning that trust. I think that will be his number one focus. You have a quarterback that likes to throw to tight ends. Go earn it and get balls thrown to you. All right. We'll see what happens. I guess that means O.J. Howard's staying.

Where would he go? Somewhere else. It tells me that the coaching staff isn't done with him yet. They still think that there's something there. Hope so. We shall see. All right. Dynasty wide receivers and tight ends. The risers and the fallers. After this. We shall see. All right. Dynasty wide receivers

and tight ends. The risers and the fallers. After this, we'll do the fantasy regulators. You can always send your questions in to fantasyfootballatcbsi.com or leave an Apple podcast review.

Heath, your three risers. Adam Thielen to 31st in Dynasty. Dynasty. Will Fuller to 34th and Kenny Stills to 47th. So none of them are in their top 30 in Dynasty, Dynasty. Will Fuller to 34th, and Kenny Stills to 47th. So none of them are in their top 30 in Dynasty wide receivers. Thielen, Fuller, and Stills.

Jamie, would you have put any of these guys in your top 30, or let's say in your top 24? Do you think Heath is way too low on Thielen, Fuller, or Stills? It's hard to say without knowing who's ahead of them. Thielen probably a little bit. Fuller, I think that's around the right spot for him. Again, for him, it's all health. And I think what the Texans do.

But yeah, Thielen, he gets a nice boost and potentially a big boost. I said poop. You said, yeah. You kind of did say poop. That was fun. So, Heath, Thielen, I think you have him top 10 this year, right? I believe he's 12th. All right.

Well, you should have him top 10, I guess is what I meant to say. Why is a top 12 guy who's 29 years old will be 30 in August? 31st. Is it just that he's 30? Well, 30, certainly. Everyone's age in my dynasty trade chart is their age on what is presumed to be, hopefully, opening day of the 2020 football season. So, yeah, I do call him 30 years old, just like T.Y. Hilton. There's certainly uncertainty about how many years you're going to get from Adam Thielen.

Is there going to be more than one year where Tajay Sharp is their second-best wide receiver? Is Mike Zimmer going to be there for multiple years? I do think the way their roster looks right now and the things they've lost early in this offseason, I'm starting to consider upping their pass attempts because I think they might just not be as good. And that would help him out a little bit. But there are a lot of guys that are ahead of Adam Thielen that are not better than Adam Thielen right now. But they have a longer future of at least wide receiver two production.

They have some reason for hope for the future. It's like with someone like Thielen, you're thinking maybe the coaching staff will change in a year or two, and then it'll be in a more high volume pass attack. Well, in a year or two, I mean, he'll be 32 years old in a couple of years. And at that point, we're looking at him as just a one year option. So who's ahead of him? Give me some guys that are ahead of him. You want me to start at 24? Yeah. Go 24 to 31.

Debo Samuel. Dave, Jamie, would you rather have this guy or Adam Thielen in Dynasty? I get where Heath's coming from on this. I think about Adam Thielen. Just say a name and then we'll kind of recap. I think it depends on what type of team you've got

in your Dynasty League. If you're rebuilding, then you'd much rather have Debo. You're trying to win now. It's Thielen. I'd rather have Thielen than Allen. Jamie, Keenan Allen or Adam Thielen? Thielen. This is obvious. Just remember, everybody, this is Dynasty.

Okay. Marquise Brown. Thielen. Thielen as well. Wow. I got one. 1.02 in the rookie draft or Adam Thielen? Oh, 1.02?

Well, that's duty or lamb, so 1.02. 1.02. But again, it depends on where they end up. Don't be so sure that that's duty or lamb, so 1.02. 1.02. But again, it depends on where they end up. Don't be so sure that that's a wide receiver, by the way. It could definitely be a running back. Could be. But it's a chance to take one of those receivers, so if you're looking to replace Thielen, that's what you would do.

Robert Woods. Wait a minute, but Marquis Brown. All right, I won't bog this down. All right, Robert Woods or Adam Thielen? Googling Robert Woods. He'll be 28 at the start of the season. Two-year junk. I think I'd still rather have Thielen.

I think that I'm probably just more heavily weighting Adam Thielen's age and offensive situation. Because I would agree that Adam Thielen is a better wide receiver than all these except for Keenan Allen than all these guys but I like we might have one or two good years left left with you

and he's been hurt two years in a row. I mean he played through injury in 2018 and he missed a lot of time in 2019 so that shouldn't be completely lost on us. So Marquise Brown, I mean, he was the first wide receiver drafted. He's got a last year, first wide receiver in the actual NFL draft. He's got a young quarterback that we like. I know we don't love him.

He's not going to throw for a ton of yards necessarily, but obviously good quarterback. Just think about DJ Moore. DJ Moore was a first-round pick in the NFL draft to, I don't know, this time a year ago? We weren't thinking about him the way we are now. Boy, Marquise Brown. I'm with you, Heath.

I'd take him over Adam Thielen in Dynasty. What if Marquise Brown is John Ross? Yeah, I mean, he's already done more. He did more than John Ross did in his rookie season, didn't he? Oh, don't disagree. But still, I mean, you know, just because you're a first-round pick doesn't necessarily guarantee success. I think we saw it, though.

I mean, we saw the playoff game. You know, they had to throw, obviously, a lot. I think Lamar Jackson threw over 55. Oh, I think Marquise Brown's got a ton of talent i'm just saying like you know you keep you keep attaching first round pick because all of a sudden it's guaranteed success no but we've seen it i mean he you know he was obviously inconsistent but i think he showed some stuff his rookie year i think i think he's too low in the dynasty rankings without really knowing the dynasty rankings appreciate that um will fuller 34 right now he's the number one option for the texans he's also i mean we don't know how long he'll be on the texans but

like let's say they then they don't have a ton of draft capital so let's say they go into the year i guess better question you have a 34th is that because you're expecting them to add someone or completely unrelated to that? Will Fuller is one of the more difficult players to rank right now because it's like the same thing a lot of people were saying about Juju last year. We've not really seen Will Fuller without the other team devoting a lot of resources to stopping DeAndre Hopkins. He has been wildly efficient on the targets he's given, but he's never really gotten a very big target share, and he's never stayed healthy.

He's never played 16 games. So he's just a complete unknown. If he had a breakout like Devontae Parker did last year, I can't say that I would be totally surprised. If we were not even talking about him as a top 45 dynasty wide receiver after this year, I wouldn't be that surprised.

Texas, by the way, have eight picks, but no first round pick 40th, 57th, 90th. And then everything else is 111th, 171,

which I'll say, all right, let's go to the fallers in the dynasty rankings. Christian Kirk, wide receiver 30, just the head of Adam Thielen. Curtis Samuel and Julian Edelman. They are fallers as well.

Edelman is wide receiver 59 in Dynasty. Curtis Samuel is wide receiver 38. I guess when we're looking at Christian Kirk and Curtis Samuel, they're still young. Does anybody see the potential for these guys to be studs? Great, like really revive their careers. Christian Kirk, Curtis Samuel. Does anybody see the potential for these guys to be studs? Great. Like, really revive their careers. Christian Curtis Samuel.

No. Revive their careers for 2020? No. Revive is not the right word, but jumpstart their careers. Potentially finishes a top 15 wide receiver more than once over the remainder of their careers. Yeah, I like that. I don't even know if that's what a stud is.

Right. I like the stud. You, you almost assume that they're going to finish in the top 15 every year. Yeah. All right. So let's just say like a, like an Emmanuel Sanders type,

you know, I wouldn't rule out Christian Kirk after the season, because again, Fitzgerald, who knows how much longer he's going to play. And then, you know, this offense is going to spread the ball around as, as, Fitzgerald, who knows how much longer he's going to play. And then, you know, this offense is going to spread the ball around. As Ben Gretsch said earlier this week, he thinks Kirk could still be good this year.

I like Kirk better than Samuel in that regard. Long term, he's got a chance to be a good fantasy contributor. He's 23. He'll be 23 when the season starts. So I would take a more patient approach with kirk what is different about christian kirk than say michael gallup who i had him on a dynasty team as a rookie he did nothing and i thought to myself like gosh i did i waste a pick and gallup had a huge uh sophomore season well kirk's already had his sophomore season. Yeah, I know that, but it's second year now with Kyler Murray,

so hopefully... Second year with Kingsbury, too. Second year with Kingsbury. And now, of course, my great Michael Gallup pick, the league disbanded before last season, so I don't get to reap any of the benefits. But, you know, I just want to bring that comparison up. Oh, yeah, I think Christian Kirk could definitely be anywhere between Michael Gallup and Corey Davis.

And it's his third year, so we'll feel more confident where he is after this upcoming year in that range. But I think he's probably going to be a decent number three wide receiver for fantasy purposes over the next five years. And there's hope that he could be a decent number two all right we'll move on to tight ends then risers and fallers three risers two fallers so these are dynasty rankings for tight ends in your top 12 you now have johnny smith and hayden hurst they are 11th and 12th blake jarwin is also a riser he is 17th so who did you move johnny smmith and Hayden Hurst. Now tight ends 11 and 12 in your dynasty rankings. Who did you move them ahead of?

TJ Hawkinson. Ooh. That is a spicy meatball. Dave and Jamie, what do you think about that? Enjoy it. I do enjoy meatballs. I can't buy into it with Hurst yet because we know that Hurst is going to be 27 years old. And if he doesn't come through this season, when he does have an

opportunity in Atlanta, we think he's going to have that opportunity with Atlanta, then he may never. And Hawkinson, listen, maybe I could say the exact same thing with TJ Hawkinson, right? If he has another year like last year where he's banged up, he's dropping touchdowns, he's blocking a lot, then maybe he'll just never be that guy that we thought he'd be. But I still think there's more upside with Hawkinson being a reliable fantasy tight end for several years than there is with Hayden Hurst. Jonu Smith is the one that I would have a tougher time with because he's 25 or 26 when the season starts. Okay.

So he's still plenty young. We know how athletic he is. He's just filled with all kinds of yummy potential that fantasy managers are. That's why they're holding on to Jonu and they think that there's a lot of long-term hope there i i think i could probably talk myself into johnny ahead of hockinson the the thing with hearst that's influencing this and maybe too much

but i don't like compared to hockinson and johnny sm, I think there's a situation where Hayden Hurst goes and gets Austin Hooper's workload and he's having a top five season this year. And I don't really think for Hawkinson, barring an injury or something weird happening, that really is a possibility. I'm not sure how possible it is for Johnnie Smith in that offense with the number of targets that are available especially with aj brown thirsting for more so i like it's more you're right hayden hearst probably realistically we're he probably has a five-year window still and you're not really looking much past that but he may only have three to four years before we start seeing a drop-off but he just fell into such a great situation with a high-powered offense a quarterback that throws 600 plus times and an offensive coordinator that is dedicated into 120 plus targets to the position and like hayden hurst hasn't earned

very many targets because he's been on the ravens and they haven't thrown and mark andrews was better than him but he's been very good when they threw him the ball. He caught 70% of his targets and averaged 12 yards per reception. I think there's no question that if any of the other tight ends we're talking about were in Atlanta, they would be the top guy. So, Hurst is in the right place at the right time. It's just a matter of whether or not he does it. And we haven't seen that yet because he was buried in Baltimore. So, if he does it, it's just a matter of whether or not he does it and we haven't seen that yet because he was buried in baltimore so if he does it it's it's gonna look good and he'll have five years

so i i see what you're doing with hayden hearst i understand it i'm not sure if i would be willing to um put him ahead of all those guys though though. Just not quite there yet. If you put Jonu Smith ahead of TJ Hawkinson in a dynasty league, Hawkinson the eighth pick of the NFL draft last year, it almost feels like

you just think Hawkinson's going to be a bust. Is that true or false? I wouldn't say that I feel like Hawkinson's going to be a bust. Is that true or false? I wouldn't say that I feel like Hawkinson's going to be a bust, but it's hard for me. And again, his situation could change a lot after this year, but I don't have a lot of optimism for him this year.

And that is weighing him down. I wouldn't want to have him as a starting tight end on a team that I thought was a contender for sure. Jamie, if you were going to do Dynasty rankings at tight end, where would you have Noah Fant? Probably pretty similar to where I have him now. Somewhere in the 7-8 range. Heath, where do you have Noah Fant?

9. So, yeah. Okay. What's the chances that he's really more like two or three you know i i definitely see the potential for fanta have a big year and kind of establish himself as a stud well i mean you wouldn't take him over kelsey or kittle i mean right you could in no obviously i would not but i'm saying but he's how much younger is he than Travis? I think a better way to ask the question is, what's the chances he's two or three after this year?

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Heath, I'm curious because I know how much you like this guy, but who do you have higher, Fant or Goddard? Fant. Yeah. Right. But you have Goddard. Noah Fant's only still going to be 22 years old at the start of this year.

Right. Noah Fant's only still going to be 22 years old at the start of this year. Would anybody have Hunter Henry ahead of Noah Fant in a Dynasty League ranking? I still do. Because I think Hunter Henry is a... We know he's a starting tight end. And he's only 25 himself. Yeah, I would too. We don't know if Noah Fant's a starting tight end.

That's good rationale. Okay. But it's fun. I mean, this is what's fun. Because Fant... I mean, just look what happened with George Kittle. Right? You know, he just had one great year, and now he's the number two tight end in fantasy. He's had two great years. But he was, okay, but what I'm saying is, like, I don't know where you had him ranked in your dynasty rankings or even if you did them going into 2018.

But it just happens. That's what's so fun about dynasties. It's not necessarily like an incremental progression to elite. Right. You could go from being a borderline top 12 guy to being one of the best at your position. That's exactly what happened with George Kittle. I could easily see that happening with Noah Fant. I don't know about easily, but I could see it happening.

All right. And then the fallers at tight end are David Njoku and Will Disley. Outside your top 20, Njoku's tight end 24. Disley is tight end 26. Heath, quick thoughts there. Yeah. And you said something that I, like the followers aren't that interesting. I don't think we need to spend very much time on them,

but you said something when we were talking about Greg Olson, that if we find out that Disley is healthy for the start of camp, you'd be more interested in will Disley. And I just can't think of any reason. Like they just gave Greg Olson like $9 million, right? Oh, I don't remember. But, gosh, he has not been good for a long time.

But he's had, like, he just had, like, and I agree, he wasn't particularly good last year. But he just had almost 600 receiving yards. Yeah, they were almost all in two games. They were the two games against Arizona and Tampa Bay. He was absolute garbage after that. But Will Disley plays, like, two games against Arizona and Tampa Bay. He was absolute garbage after that. Will Disley plays like two games a year.

Well, okay. I mean, fine. But I'm saying if he's healthy, I'm not drafting either of them, first of all. But Disley's been good when he's been on the field. Can't say that for Olsen lately. They just paid Greg Olsen like a ton of money. Look, bad contracts are handed out all the time. Yeah, okay.

But look, it's fine. I'm happy to have that disagreement. How about you guys? If Will Disley is healthy for week one, who do you think is going to have better numbers? For 2020? Olson. Olson, but I wouldn't be excited about having either one of them as my starter.

But in Dynasty, you're definitely taking Disley over Olsen. Sure. I got it as a one-year $7 million deal, by the way. Is that a lot? Yeah, I've got it as a two-year $17 million deal, but I'm looking at the wrong deal. So one-year $7 million, yes. That's really not that much. Nope. For a tight end, when they had Jacob Hollister and Will Disley on their team.

That is a bad signing. That just tells you that they wanted to try and improve there. There's something that they've seen from their tight end. Well, we don't know if Disley's going to play. Yeah, that's the only thing. That's probably what they saw. Disley's hurt. He keeps getting hurt. We need a solution.

Here's a guy that's really good at his position. He's been good for a long time. Hopefully, he stays healthy. What's his price tag? Oh, it's $7 million. Maybe it's a little more than they wanted to spend, but they needed the help, so they had to pay it. Weeks two through five, Will Disley,

eight or more non-PPR fantasy points, four touchdowns in those four games. Then he got hurt in week six. Tore his Achilles. That's a big deal. And that's it for Najoku. Final thought on Najoku. I hope a big deal. And that's it for... Oh, Njoku. Final thought on Njoku. I hope they trade him.

He gone? Yeah, they really should. Well, then let's regulate. I want to thank everybody for sending in your league issues to fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. First one is from Kate. I need help from the regulators.

12-team Dynasty League. How should the rookie draft order be determined? There's an argument because some thought the winner of the toilet bowl would get first. Others thought one through six were determined by regular season standings. Anybody want to weigh in? If you've got a toilet bowl, there's got to be a prize for the toilet bowl. Does there?

It's the toilet bowl. Your prize is saying you won the toilet bowl. Nobody else even paid attention. No one's ever going to remember that you won the toilet bowl. The toilet bowl shouldn't exist, and neither should your commissioner because they did a bad job not establishing before the season how the next year's draft was going to be ordered. Wow.

Kick the commissioner out of the league, disband the league. So, wait, what do you say, Heath? How should the draft order be determined? I think it should be reverse standings the prior year, especially in Dynasty Leagues. I think Dave is right. If there's a toilet bowl, why have it? You want it, you get the first pick. Adam, you were so close. Why have it? But to Heath's point, the commissioner needs to establish what the toilet bowl means.

That's true, but he didn't, or she didn't, so now we have an issue. So it's our job to say what to do. I think it should be reverse order of standings, and then they should establish in the league bylaws what the toilet bowl winner means. All right, so it's 2-2. And that's where I should have said poop. You're on your road. You've got it's 2-2. And that's where I should have said poop. You're on your road. You gotta figure it out yourself.

Next up, let's go to... Let's go to... No name. Alright, need names on these. Liz. Liz. We've been playing in an eight-team Dynasty League for over 15 years. The way we divvy up

our rookie pick order is based on our season ending standings with third place getting the first overall pick sorry um since we utilize deep benches and everyone is stacked is this fair open to suggestions if not we just don't think that last place should auto get the first overall pick because that promotes tanking. So the first pick goes to third place, the second pick goes to second place, the third pick goes to fourth place, and then on down, and actually the team that wins gets the eighth pick. Okay.

Is this fair? No. Definitively not. Is it okay? It's your league? Sure. Fine, if that's what you want to do, but I don't get the very last word, this promotes tanking as if that's a bad thing. Tanking exists all throughout sports. Being able to sell all your pieces, get good draft picks, and rebuild your team is one of the most fun parts of Dynasty, right behind winning.

And it's even more rewarding to win after you've done a complete rebuild so i think we should allow people to do that and be happy about it you should do reverse order standings this here is the real toilet bowl this is this is terrible you finish in last in this dynasty league and you pick seventh in the rookie draft the following year that's inherently unfair it's nonsense nonsense. Yeah, that's no good. Okay, let's get another one here. Regulators. From LaRue. Somewhere

between Phoenix and Flagstaff, Dave. Glendale, I guess. I took over an orphan team a few years back. It was standard waiver, but with a 20 transaction limit, boo. And we switched to fab. Yay.

We have a $300 budget now, but we don't have a zero minimum bid. Boo. We have a $10 minimum bid. Egregious. Out of a $300 budget. Question. Is this the dumbest thing ever?

And should I quit the league? Because I assure you, these mouth breathers in the league won't change it. They say that it promotes trades. $10 minimum bid out of a $300 budget. Dumbest thing ever. So dumb. No, the last email was dumber. You should. I mean, look, is this really different than just having a transaction limit?

It's unnecessarily complicating things. Yeah, I mean, it is strictly a 30 transaction limit, but it's going to be obviously less than that because you're not going to bid minimum 10 on everybody. So this is really restrictive. I hate this. I don't think I'd want to be obviously less than that because you're not going to bid minimum 10 on everybody. So this is really restrictive. I hate this. I don't think I'd want to be in this league. I hate it that much.

All right, let's do one more here. This is from another... Oh, no, Ben in Palm Desert, California. Is that Shraggy B? Stranded out in California right now? Might be. Greetings, John, Tom, Denver, and especially Catherine. Dukes of Hazzard, apparently.

Dukes of Hazzard. Never seen it. What? I'm not in my 40s, Jamie. I've never seen it. And I have no problem with that. Wow. Can you name one character from Dukes of Hazzard?

I can name four. John, Tom, Denver, and Cass. Those aren't the characters, though. Those are the cast members. There's no one in the show named Denver. There easily could be. Yeah, there was Bo. Yeah.

What was his last name? Was there really a Bo? I had no idea. Maybe I kind of did. Bo Hazard. No, they're from Hazard. No. I have no idea.

All right. I need to get my brother. How about Bo Duke? Bo Duke, yeah. I need to get my brother credit for this idea for our redraft league. The idea is to play the season in a golf skins game fashion with each week contested as a whole would be. There would be a set amount, say $50 up for grab each week.

The amount is only one, however, if one owner outscores all the other owners by a predetermined amount of points, say 10 points. If no one outscores everyone by that amount, then the prize money... The prize money moves forward to be added to the next week. Your thoughts? I want to know what that noise was.

Come on. It's the horn. Even I got that. That's the General Lee. That's the General Lee horn. Okay. I didn't recognize it the first time. That's awesome.

So, yeah. So, a skins game. You put money in the pot. It's up for grabs each week. If one owner beats every other owner by a predetermined amount of points, they win the pot. If not, it goes to the pot for the next week. Thoughts?

Love it. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Good stuff. And thank you all for your submissions. We appreciate it. And this has been regulated. So that's Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

Going to hop off now and hear from Greg Allman, who works for The Athletic. He covers the Tampa Bay Bucs and talks a lot about Tom Brady, the fit in Bruce Arian's offense, O.J. Howard, Ronald Jones. Remember, he does mention Deion Lewis, but we talked to him before Deion Lewis

was signed by the Giants. So thanks so much for listening. Enjoy the interview. Very insightful stuff. Enjoy the weekend. And we'll talk to you on Mock Draft Monday. The Tampa Bay Bucs have been in the news, in case you haven't seen it.

Tom Brady is a Tampa Bay Buccaneer. It is awesome. We are excited. And we've got Bucs beat writer Greg Allman joining us. He is from The Athletic, and you can follow him on Twitter, at Greg Allman, A-U-M-A-N. Welcome to the show, Greg. Thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me. Hope you guys are doing well. Yeah, we're doing very well. Thanks so much. And let me get right to the point here.

How did this happen? How is Tom Brady a Tampa Bay Buccaneer? Yeah, it's kind of been two months of less disbelief every week. I think back in like January, I was openly dismissive of anybody that thought that he might come here. And it was wondering why exactly he would leave the Patriots. And if he did, why he'd choose the Buccaneers. But yeah, over time, it gets more and more plausible. And I think the big thing was last week on Tuesday when he finally made the announcement to say goodbye and say thanks to Patriots fans. So once he wasn't going back to New England, that opened things up a lot. And here we are, signed, sealed, and delivered for Tampa Bay.

Greg, what's your thoughts on Brady from what you've seen? Obviously, you've covered the league for a good amount of years now. And just watching Brady from afar, did he seem like a 42-year-old quarterback? Do you think he has what it takes to play in this Bruce Arians offense? Just your opinion of him watching him on the field. Oh, sure. I mean, again, he's trying to do something no quarterback in NFL history has ever done in terms of running a full season at age 43, as will be this fall. But again, he did things that no 42-year-old had done last year.

I think there's inevitably going to be some trail off at that age. But you look at what you're starting with with Tom Brady, and even in a drop-off, even at 80% of what he was two, three years ago, that's still a pretty good quarterback. And the Bucs are kind of willing to take that risk and see what he can do here, especially limiting mistakes and being a little bit more consistent than what they've had. Yeah. So let's talk about the fit of Brady and Arians, because I think you look at what Tom Brady's been recently, and certainly it could be a matter of personnel, but he's throwing underneath Julian Edelman a lot. He's throwing a James White out of the backfield. And we know that Bruce Arians wants to get the ball downfield.

They obviously have Mike Evans. Is Tom Brady going to take more shots than what we've seen in New England? How do you see it playing out in terms of his fit stylistically in the offense? Yeah, I mean, I think it'll be a compromise and a middle ground between what he's been and certainly what the Bucs had with James Winston last year. With Winston, they threw deep a ton. I think the most important thing probably is making sure you protect Tom Bradys gave up 47 sacks last year. A ton of hits. Bruce likes those long, deep passes that are slow, developing plays where a quarterback has to hold the ball a little more. So they're just going to have to be mindful of that and make sure – I think Brady's probably a little smarter about knowing from that internal clock when to get rid of the ball, when to give it up. But I think they'll probably throw more downfield

just because he has better receivers than he has. I don't think he's had a one-two like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. I mean, he's thrown to Randy Maas, he's thrown to Wes Welker. But, I mean, last year, you know, the guys he had beyond Edelman were largely injured. Things didn't work out, you know, with some of the guys they brought in. So, yeah, from a personnel standpoint, I feel like, you know, especially in this first year without Rob Gronkowski, you know, was dealing with less talent than he's used to in the passing game, especially. If I can follow up on that real quick, sorry, Jamie.

Mike Evans, as you've watched him, can you tell us, in your view, what kind of a receiver is he? Because I think we sort of see him as just, oh, he's just going to go deep. How versatile of a receiver is he overall? What is the scouting report on Mike Evans? Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, he and Randy Moss are the only receivers in NFL history to open their career with six straight 1,000-yard seasons. So remarkably consistent.

You know, I don't think he's a great yards after the catch guy, but he's 6'5". He's got ridiculous range. I think when it comes to the lobs and kind of the high, you know, corner fade, he's good with the contested catches as much as anybody in the league. Can move and get downfield when he wants to. But they have Chris Godwin for that, too.

I mean, Chris Godwin's probably one of the best yardage catch receivers in the league. Both of them made the Pro Bowl. I mean, Tom Brady hasn't had a receiver made the Pro Bowl since 2013. So, I mean, I think he's going to be happy to throw those two. I do think he'll benefit from O.J. Howard and Cameron Bray. He's got a history of gaudy numbers for tight ends and tight ends catching double-digit touchdowns. So I think Howard and Bray are going to be excited to have him there as well. Oh, Greg, don't worry.

We're going to get to Howard and Bray with you in a second but um in term in terms of Evans and and Godwin is there one guy who benefits or maybe loses more from the quarterback change does Godwin just you know by his lining up in the slot more and what Brady's track record has been you mentioned Welker obviously Edelman is that something where he gets a boost because of Brady does Evans get a boost maybe because of his accuracy Brady accuracy, maybe more so than Jameis? How do you see the receiver shake up with the quarterback change? No, I don't think either of them feel shorted. I mean, I'm a receiver. I'd like to have Tom Brady throwing to me. I mean, I think there's an accuracy on the mid-range stuff that's probably a step up. I mean, maybe

I think, you know, it's a reasonable thing that Jameis Winston has a better arm for the pure deep balls. I mean, the 50-yard chucks downfield, I think he's probably better on those. But you're talking about a handful of passes a year that are actually going and hitting on that. I think Arians is still going to try and go deep. If you watch highlights from last year, Brady had good, consistent throws. They were 35, 40 yards downfield. You don't need to have too much more than that to make these things work. So, I mean, I think the two receivers complement each other.

They've got to figure out what they're doing for a number three receiver here. It was Brashad Perriman last year, and he's an unrestricted free agent who could get pricey. He had a really good last month of the season when the other two were injured. They could go to the draft. I think Bruce Arians really likes the depth of this receiver class, to where even in the middle round, in third round, fourth round, they can find a talent that will impact them.

And they've got a couple other young rookie, but young receivers that they like as well. O.J. Howard, let's talk about him, and Cameron Braid for that matter. So what's the deal? How come he was so unproductive, O.J. Howard in particular, last season? And what do you expect this season? Yeah, I don't even know that he was that. I mean, he was unproductive from like a fantasy standpoint. I mean, he had one touchdown, so that was disappointing.

But I mean, his targets were barely down. Yardage wasn't that far down. He played more than he's ever played in his NFL career. They just used him more as a blocker. I mean, I don't know if they just felt like that was necessary to sustain what little run game they had. He was on the field more than 80% of the offensive snaps. They just didn't throw to him as much. Part of that is that OJ struggled earlier in the year. He had two balls that went off his hands for turnovers, had a fumble that was a turnover. So three times fairly early in the year, you're

turning into turnovers there. That's not helping things. And I think that probably took away from some of the confidence in throwing him the ball, especially in the red zone. But again, another year to get that back. I think he's due for a really good bounce back year. Cam Brate has pushed through some injuries in recent years. But I mean, he has 27 touchdowns in the last five years.

There's only three tight ends in the NFL to have more than that in that span um break just took a little bit of a pay cut of restructuring to stay with tampa and have a chance to have come brady throwing to him so again i think both of those guys will do well with this so greg obviously you know we're keeping an eye on you know you more than we are but you know melvin gordon todd girleyley, some of the big name running backs that were on the market. And for two years now, we think maybe Tampa Bay is going to try and fill the need with a veteran guy to run Bruce's system.

And Ronald Jones ends up with over 1,000 total yards last year. It was somewhat uninspiring, but at times he looked really good. At times he just looked lost again. The fact that they didn't add anybody of significance how much confidence do you have in ronald jones coming out of the nfl draft still as a starter or is that a position still of need that they're going to try and dress to upgrade over ronald jones yeah i would say first of all they're not necessarily done um and then especially in the draft that's something they can go to you know even sometimes you can get good value with banks in the third or fourth round.

So I think they like Ronald Jones. I think they feel like he's ascending as a running back. Last year was really his first year getting any kind of playing time in the NFL. And his numbers weren't that different from Alvin Kamara last year. I think they can do more with him. I think they'll probably need him to be more of a pass-catching back. Both he and Peyton Barber were coming off the field on third downs. They had Daria Kudbowale as their third down back,

so I think they'd like to have somebody they can trust to be out there more often. But you have to have really good pass protection and pass-catching skills to be able to build on third down this offense. So you could see a draft pick, second or third round. You still could see them sign a veteran running back. I mean, Dion Lewis is a guy that played three years with Tom Brady called 85 passes in those three years. He just got cut by Tennessee.

He wouldn't be any expensive. He would just be a chance for them to upgrade, you know, their second or third back and have somebody that can pair with, with Ronald Jones and maybe be a little bit more productive than Peyton Barber was last year. And what do you think about Jameis Winston? Where do you think Jameis ends up? Yeah, it's kind of the big question. There's not a lot of opportunities for him right now that have a clear path to a starting job. I mean, he's likely choosing from a couple different

options where there's just kind of a wobbly starter, where there's somebody that's a recent draft pick, hasn't done that much, and you have to hope that if you're Winston, that you can either beat them out outright or can just be there as the number two when they struggle early in the year. So I don't know whether that's Jacksonville, whether that's Denver. I would have said Washington. They just traded for Kyle Allen from the Panthers. I don't know that I would think that Kyle Allen takes Jameis Winston off the board, but I think it speaks to these teams just wanting

to kind of address the position without bringing in a Newton or a Winston or somebody who's going to take a lot of the spotlight and put some pressure on the young quarterback. So one of those teams makes sense. Pittsburgh's another team where they don't really have a strong backup. Roethlisberger's 38. He's coming off an elbow injury. I think they probably recognized last year that they didn't have a very good backup and missed the playoffs as a result when they lost their starter to injury. So lots of places where, you know, he's going to need an injury

or he's going to need a starter struggling to get a path back onto the field, but that's what he has to look for. Greg, is there a worse college in the state of Florida than the University of Miami? Worse? I don't know. They're trying to get back. I think this could be a year they take a step in the right direction. It's been a down time. You think about what Miami was for so long, just consistently producing first-round NFL talent. And they've got to get back to that. I don't know whether to make any of the answer or not. But, yeah, it's a downtime right now.

There's plenty of colleges in Florida now that could probably lose to Miami if they tried. But from a state standpoint, you want to see Florida, Florida State, Florida, all those schools get back to the dominating ways they were 20 years ago when you had all three in the top 10 and chasing championships. You're a lot nicer. He's a lot nicer than you. He answered that question like a true pro. Greg, Adam's a University of Miami grad, so I give him a hard time as often as I can.

I'm a Florida grad, so we're trying to be peaceful here. Yeah, I know. I appreciate that. Jamie was trying to incite here. Yeah, I know. I appreciate that. Jamie was trying to incite something here, but Greg did not take the bait. And thank you for coming on.

We really appreciate it. Great stuff. Yeah, Greg's the best. If you want the best, the best, the best Tampa Bay Buccaneer coverage, follow Greg Allman.

I promise you, you will not be disappointed. All right. Thanks, guys. Take it easy. Thank you. Thanks, Greg.