Fantasy Football Today - Early ADP: Undervalued and Overvalued Players (06/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Looking at FantasyPros PPR average draft position, who are the best and worst values at this point? We disagree about Travis Etienne's value (2:40) but we agree Alvin Kamara could be a steal (8:35) ... News and notes (18:55) and a surprising nominee for "Best Keanu Reeves Movie." Then we get back to our undervalued players with Dan highlighting Diontae Johnson (26:00), D'Andre Swift (30:00) and a couple of older running backs who may not be Top 100 picks (35:00). We also discuss the best value in the Cardinals backfield (41:00) ... A look at players who are being drafted too early including D.J. Moore (45:45), Malik Nabers (47:50), Trey McBride (49:45) and Brian Thomas (52:05). We don't necessarily agree on all of these calls ... Email us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's time to dominate your fantasy league. This is going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. It's all about value, right? It's great to look at rankings. When you combine rankings and average draft position, that's going to help us obviously find the best values and the worst values in fantasy drafts.

Today, we're going to look at Fantasy Pro's PPR ADP, which is a little, I don't know what the right term is. It's unusual. I'll explain why in a moment. And we're going to take a look at Dan's most overvalued and undervalued players, and Jamie will critique. So Fantasy Pro's ADP, if you look at half PPR, it looks kind of like what you might expect from a draft.

If you look at PPR, though, the running backs just plummet. So, you know, for example, there are like 20, there are 26 wide receivers, 29, 23, oh my God. No, there's 20, okay, 27, there we go. I'm doing this on the fly. There are 27 wide receivers off doing this on the fly. 27 wide receivers off the board before the 10th running back. So that's Travis Etienne,

who's going 42nd overall. We expect Travis Etienne to be a second round pick and not 27 wide receivers to come off the board before Travis Etienne. But what we're going to do is kind of, instead of looking at overall ADP, we're just going to look at relative to other players at the same position, and that will work for us.

Hello, Dan. Hello, Jamie. Good job, Dan. Good job. Big week for you. We get your most wanted. We get your overvalued and undervalued. And we get you on national TV yesterday. Jeff, fun. I had a great time there. It was very exciting. I made one gaffe that I think, you know, brought some laughs, though, so that was good. And at the same time, debuted my new setup back here. I'm off the toilet, and that's being retired for now. I thought you just moved the toilet to a different room. No, this is not a toilet anymore.

This is a good regular setup. But I could use a little bit of work even here. I need to work on the lighting. I'm not a big fan yet of the lighting. So there's some tweaks that still need to happen, but it's a big big week like you said by the way we gave you a hard time for your gaffe we didn't give adam enough of a hard time for his gaffe where we came back from a break and adam was just staring at the camera and if i said oh we're back i didn't know i didn't know when to talk you know we're learning we're learning new things as we do also on the next

segment we had like we're getting counted down to when we were back live on air is like 30, 20. And like when it was like 15, I was like, wait a second. When do I talk? Anyway, it was a lot of fun. Hope you enjoyed it. Dan, give me one overvalued player and make it Travis Etienne so we can argue about it. Yeah, I mean, I'm starting with Travis Etienne.

Obviously, we're talking about relative to position. I discussed this a little bit in the past, but really it was a tale of two seasons for Travis ETN. And it depends which one you want to buy into because for the first eight weeks of the season, he was the fourth overall running back and one of the best running backs in fantasy. After that, his touches went down by over six per game. The touchdowns were few and far in between the passing game work was still there, but the production was not. And he had just three finishes inside the top. I believe, uh, as an RB one, I believe over the last, uh, sorry, it was over the last nine games in five of his last nine games, he'd had just four touchdown scores scored, and he finished outside the RB two range in five

of his last nine games. So he wasn't even an RB two range in five of his last nine games. So he wasn't even an RB two for over half of his final nine games of the season. I'm not going to fully buy into the talk of tank Bixby having a really good OTAs taking that step forward. But I do believe what Doug Peterson hinted at, which is, you know, there was a mental hurdle for Bixby that happens a lot with rookie running backs. They have to understand the system. They have to be, you have to have the quarterback has to be able to have trust in that running back to have him on the field and key spots because specifically passing down situations and pass production. If that happens, I'm even more scared. And I also think this offense wants to be pass heavy in its nature,

Adam and Jamie, that's what Doug Peterson's always been. And if Trevor Lawrence can take that step and do a little better with this new receiver core, that could happen as well. So I just have a lot, a lot of reservations about Travis ETN going off the board relative to where he's going at the running back position. Wait, you think that you think he's going to have less of a role in the passing game with, without Calvin Ridley? No, I, what I'm saying is I role in the passing game with, without Calvin Ridley? No,

I, what I'm saying is I think that the passing game will be a bigger part of their offense, uh, overall, and there'll be less of a run first team. And that's really what it was for the first half. A lot of that,

the Jaguars offense was going running through Travis at the end. That just didn't happen as much in the second half. Like I said, his touches per game dropped by over six per game in the second half of the season. They were worse. They went three and six in those nine games. And he was the number 23 running back per game in those nine games.

So he was bad. No question about it. Jamie, he's going as RB10, Travis Etienne. So that's after there seems to be sort of like a consensus top eight, I'd say. Not in some order. It's kind of like wide receiver. McCaffrey, Brees Hall, Bijan, Gibbs, Taylor, Barkley,

maybe it's not... Then A-Chan. I'm sorry, then Kyron Williams. A-Chan is actually RB7 in this Fantasy Pros ADP, so he could be overvalued as well. That's seven at Kyron Williams. Then I feel like ETN might come in at eight. He's 10 here behind A-Chan, behind Kyron,

behind Derek Henry as well. What do you think about ETN as RB10, Jamie? Definitely taking ETN over A-Chan. Definitely taking him over Henry. I think that this Jaguars offensive line will be better. So I think that will help him in a big way. I don't really buy the Tank-Bigsby talk. I think there will be another player there,

so it could be Bigsby or Dearness Johnson or both, kind of like what we saw last year. They want to make sure that he's, I think, 100% and playing at his best toward the end of the season, kind of like how he was at the beginning of the season. I think he's going to be a big part of the passing game, which is, I think, a big factor here, losing the two pieces that they lost and replacing them with what they did, it's going to take time for Brian Thomas. It's going to take time for Gabe Davis to, you know, sort of prove that he can be a legitimate threat. I I'm obviously a big fan of Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram. And I think those guys will be fine. I think we'll see a better Trevor Lawrence, but ETN fits the profile. I think of what we look for, you know, he's, he's going to get probably

200, 250 carries. He's going to get in the neighborhood of 50 catches. So 300 total touches. That's hard to overcome, hard to overlook for what, you know, this landscape is of the running back position. And I think he's still in his prime. I like the fact, you know, we talk about investment in teams, you know, they picked up his fifth year option, which they didn't have to do as a first round pick running back. You know, that's an easy position to move off of. And they decided that they're going to commit to him. And so improved offensive line, I hope improved play calling because that was a big part of this also last year was who was the play caller? Was it press Taylor? Was it Doug Peterson? You know, I would love to get an answer on that. And I don't

think we still have one even going into this year. Um, but I do think that we'll see, you know, ETN continue to dominate touches in his backfield while still losing some work, which, again, he did last year too. So I'm not necessarily worried about him coming off the field for significant stretches. I just think hopefully a fresher Etienne toward the end of the season will be a better one as the season comes to a close. Okay, so Jamie's good with it. Jamie has him as RB8.

Heath has Etienne as RB6 in full PPR. And Dan is probably going to avoid Travis Etienne in the second round. I will say that I kind of feel the same way about running back as I do as wide receiver. You know, get to the middle of the second round. I don't necessarily love the running backs. If Etienne falls to me and I can get him as RB8 in the middle of the second round, I mean, it happened to me in a draft.

I think I went like Amonra, St. Brown, Travis Etienne or something like that, and I was thrilled. Thrilled. So when you say fall to you, where are you taking him? I'd take him as early. It depends how the running backs are going. I mean, I'd take Marvin Harrison ahead of him, but I would take Etienne ahead of every wide receiver

that we talked about, Jamie, yesterday or two days ago, yesterday, I think. So that would be nine. I'd take nine wide receivers ahead of him. I'd take seven running backs ahead of him. So I guess that makes him the number 17 overall player for me. So you have him basically where I have him. Yeah. Okay. One undervalued player, Dan, based on Fantasy Pro's ADP. Yeah, I think Alvin Kamara comes in for me, top of the list for undervalued. Look, I understand the concerns with Alvin Kamara given the age factor, but if you just look at the holistic viewpoint of what he was able to produce last year in that offense with Derek Carr, who returns the offense,

a big check down type of quarterback. And just basically somebody who will use him as an outlet in the passing game. It's kind of curious to me why his ADP is so low throughout this draft season. I understand Kendri Miller, good talented running back who they drafted, but he will also Calvin Camara himself will also benefit from the addition of

Clint Kubiak as the offensive coordinator, because that, that zone blocking scene that he's going to put in, which by the way, did bring out the best of Dalvin Cook at a point of Dalvin Cook's career, where we may not know if he still had what he had, like classic, you know, prime Dalvin Cook, because we saw the last couple of the last year without him, Dalvin Cook was not the same. And if he can do the same for Alvin Kamara, bring out the best of Alvin Kamara as a runner, there's actually more meat on the bone for Kamara to be an even better fantasy producer. Cause he wasn't all that productive as a runner last year.

He brought a lot of his production via the passing game and just such heavy target volume, which I'm not so sure is going to come all the way down. I mean, they got rid of Michael Thomas, obviously Chris Olave is back, but the rest of that offense could still funnel in a lot of ways through Kamara and if there's an improvement from him in the running game with Kubiak like I said

this could be a big season for him again and like it like we talked about yesterday I think we saw that we did this on trivia he was the what third or fourth most fantasy points in PPR out there and yet he's being drafted outside what the top 15 at running back this year so i just feel like it's easy value there yeah he was uh fourth best uh per game in full ppr eighth and half ppr 16th in non-ppr so it's you know format is important here yep and jamie why do you think alvin camara is not being treated as a guy who finished as a in half and full PPR at top eight per game. And obviously in full PPR fourth per game last year.

Age. I mean, you know, at some point there's going to be a fall off here and he's at that point in his career where you have to worry about it. Now what he does, and I actually hope he gets a little bit of a break carrying the ball because I think the best asset that he brings to fantasy managers and PPR

is his ability to catch the ball, which should still be a big part of this offense. Cause like Dan said, the receiving core is, you know, unproven. With Rasheed Shaheed as the number two guy, A.T. Perry, you know, Bub Means, they have a lot of guys that need to step up and prove themselves behind even Chris Olave, who himself has not shown to be that elite alpha type of number one receiver that we're waiting for him to become, which I think could happen this year in his third season in the NFL. But Taysom Hill still being there is a factor because of what he'll do at the goal line. You mentioned Kendrick Miller. They still have Jamal Williams. So it seems like there's a lot of guys that they're going to try

and get the ball in some capacity throughout the course of every game. We didn't really see it from Miller last year, but I think that's the expectation is in year two, he's going to do a little bit more and how much more could impact, you know, where Kamara finishes as the season goes on. But I think as a pass catcher, his role should be fine. It's just a matter of, will he get to, you know, eight plus touchdowns? And I think that's a hard thing for him to get to in this offense, unless he does break off some big runs. But as you've noted time and time again, Adam, the big plays as a runner have completely disappeared from his game, which is a little surprising and alarming. But as you've noted time and time again, Adam, the big plays as a runner have completely disappeared from his game, which is a little surprising and alarming.

But I think that comes with age and part of this offense and how they operate. I'm doing this search right now. So this data search over the last three years, Alvin Kamara does not have a run longer than 30 yards. In those three seasons, there have been 63 running backs with 200 or more carries he ranks 48th in explosive run rate uh per carry let's see where i bet he's even worse than that per carry 54th out of 63 per carry the guys that are worse than camara are zeke josh kelly madison jamal williams cam acres kareem hunt, Damian Pierce, Rashad White,

and Mark Ingram. And I guess that's honestly almost an argument in his favor. You talk about the drop-off. We have seen the drop-off. He has been a below-average, almost borderline bad running back for three straight years. And in those three years in full PPR, where is he finished? Sixth per game, 13th per game and fourth per game and half PPR, fifth, 14th and eighth per game,

non PPR, six, 19th and 16th per game. So he can be, as long as he's getting almost all the work, he can be what he's been. And to be clear, I'm not arguing him as a breakout,

just as an undervalued player at cost. It's almost like the case for my, him being undervalued was almost made just there. In my opinion, by you, when you mentioned another player, Rashad white, who has similarly bad rushing metrics.

And yet I feel like there's almost an arbitrage play on Rashad white. I don't personally see too much different between these two. Maybe Rashad white will fall away into the end zone a little bit more often. Maybe. That I'm not even sure about. I think that's a big one there because, as Jamie mentioned, Taysom Hill, I think I said Taysom Hill, has more rushing touchdowns over those three years than Kamara does. Yeah. And that's the case for sure.

But is it worth that big of a drop-off where you're going to be able to get Rashad White versus where you're getting Kamara? That I'm not sold on. And Jamie, I've been thinking about this a lot for whatever reason. My mind drifts to this. I don't like drafting bad running backs early or guys that might be bad. And I think you have to look at Kamara

and say he's 29, he hasn't been efficient, he's not explosive for three straight years. It's like everything I've felt about Zeke. And you've got to put him at least in that category. Maybe he's not good. I love what Dan says about the new system, maybe boosting him. But the thing about Camara, Jamie, is he, he, unlike a guy like, uh, those two scrubs, Mike, Mike Dave, who was it? Mike Davis and Miles Gaskin that we always come back to. He's Camara is a legacy, right? He's arguably the face of the franchise. He's not just, he's going to have a harder time losing his job,

in my opinion. And, you know, like, I don't, I think he has to be so bad. Compared to Mike Davis and Miles Gaskin, yes. And even compared to Rashad White, you know? Well, of course. I mean, it's the same reason why the Cowboys held on to Ezekiel. He didn't let him have the job that he did when Tony Pollard was clearly better. And so you could see a similar situation happening with Kendrick Miller.

Yes, their offense doesn't have a face. Derek Carr is not the guy I think that they are trying to market as, you know, hey, come watch him. You know, if Alvin Kamara is as electric as he can be, that's the player I think that people will want to see touch the ball, which is why they throw it to him as much as they do. Not that the marketing and the gameplay matches up or should ever. But in any event, yes, they're there, you know, our team without a face of of an offense. And, you know, I hope Chris Olave becomes that guy because he's capable of it, at least in my opinion, you know, of being, you know, that that type of wide receiver. But look, I saw somebody comment in the chat. It's already moved, but we don't care how we get our PPR points as long as we get them.

Right. It's the, it's the, it's the stupidity of PPR when he had the one game back, right. When he had, what was it? 13 catches, something like that. Uh, yep. 13 catches for 33 yards. Yeah. So like, this is the argument PPR versus half or versus non white people hate

PPR in some cases because of, you know, silly games like this. But that's what makes him such an asset is that they don't have the receiving core to support. I think the passing game that they're hoping to, to eventually have. And that's why he's so valuable.

So and, and Dan makes a great point, you know, that they're hoping to eventually have. And that's why he's so valuable. And Dan makes a great point comparing Rashad White to Alvin Kamara because if you do expect Kamara to hold up at 29 years old, then you probably should not be taking Rashad White in round two. And you should just be waiting for Alvin Kamara, which is probably going to be, my guess, earliest end of round three, round four ADP for how most drafts will look in PPR this year. Because the production should be somewhat similar.

The touchdowns should favor Rashad White, but the receptions are probably going to favor Kamara slightly. I do think Rashad White's role should still be pretty good in that regard. But in any event, if these are the type of players that you gravitate toward, then you might want to just wait out for Kamara as opposed to reaching for White. Okay, let's cut it off there. We got to take a break.

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what's going on in minicamps, OTAs, all that stuff. So check out CBS Sports HQ. And we're going to take a break and come back and give you a lot of news and notes and more of Dan's undervalued and overvalued players. I am so dreading groceries this week. Why? You can skip it. Oh, what? Just like that? Just like that. How about dinner with my third cousin? Skip it. Prince Fluffy's favorite treats? Skippable.

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The Trey Parker voice just cracks me up. Amazing show. News and notes. Such a better show than Family Guy. Definitely better than Family Guy. Not, in my opinion, better than The Simpsons, buddy. It's better than The Simpsons, yeah. You've seen like four Simpsons episodes.

What'd you say? You've seen about four Simpsons episodes. I've seen enough Simpsons. I've seen enough Simpsons, buddy. It's better than The Simpsons. Yeah. You've seen like four Simpsons episodes. What'd you say? You've seen about four Simpsons episodes. I've seen enough Simpsons. I've seen enough Simpsons. It's too smart for you. Christian McCaffrey signed a two-year contract extension. This is for years 2026 and 2027,

worth $19 million a year. Are you also getting an additional $8 million for this year and next year? So that's four years. He's going to be 28 years old on friday happy birthday christian mccaffrey uh we don't really have to talk about this but over the last five seasons alvin camara and dalvin cook are the only other running backs to average 23.8 or more ppr fantasy points which he has done now four times Christian McCaffrey.

So he's just the best. We got a lot of OTA or minicamp notes here. Patriots offensive coordinator, he praised Drake May, but also said that Jacoby Brissett has had an exceptional spring and is still the starter. So Jacoby Brissett's still the starter right now for the Patriots. If you have Traylon Burks on your dynasty team, not a great day yesterday. He's basically

that has to earn his active roster spot on special teams, which is a big deal now with these new rules. But you can't be feeling great about Traylon Burks. I don't understand why a team just doesn't trade for him to see what they can make out of him. What else we got?

Adonai Mitchell, Colts rookie. He seems to be having a good camp. We're going to keep an eye on that. We don't need a lot of target competition for Michael Pittman. Carolina rookie wide receiver Xavier Leggett, he has a hamstring injury. Mike McCarthy, there is this story going around. Mike McCarthy saying that Dallas will use two or three running backs, whatever it takes.

I think he was more talking like getting through the season, not necessarily on a week to week basis, but we'll just call that a big question mark in that backfield. And ADP is not really showing, you know, a big preference towards Zeke, by the way, it's like Zeke and Dowdle,

I think pretty close and pretty late. Um, Minnesota is moving to Nikhil Harry, former first-round pick of the Patriots at wide receiver. The Vikings are moving Nikhil Harry to tight end, Jamie. Is there any value there in any leagues where you'd pick up Nikhil Harry if he's tight end eligible? I mean, I wonder just how much of this is a TJ Hawkinson

not-ready-to-go story, more so than a Nikhil Harry story, trying to get maybe a better receiving threat there. They did add Robert Tunyon this offseason between Josh Oliver and Johnny Munt. Obviously not a lot of explosiveness there from what they're going to be missing if Hawkinson's out, but it's probably more of a, I should avoid TJ Hawkinson if they're looking for desperation plays at the tight end position, because they may not expect them to be ready to go. ESPN's Paul Gutierrez said that in the three OTA practices open to the media, Raiders quarterback Aiden O'Connell has looked more comfortable and more precise in passing, while Gardner Minshew has been more mobile. And we'll direct you to Aiden O'Connell's last four games,

34 points against the Chargers. Two points at the Chiefs. He threw for 62 yards. That was a big Josh Jacobs day, as I recall. Or Zamir White day, as I recall. They upset the Chiefs. Then 24 points at the Colts and 22 points against the Broncos. So he actually had eight touchdowns and I don't think any interceptions in his last four games, Aiden O'Connell.

And Devontae Adams had two massive games. one good game, one terrible game in that stretch. Minnesota head coach Kevin O'Connell said they never considered trading Justin Jefferson. He was adamant about that. CeeDee Lamb and Brandon Ayuk did not report to minicamp. Dave Richard right now is in Chicago. He was at Bears minicamp. He said that basically said they all look good. Keenan Allen played pretty much exclusively out of the slot. DJ Moore was the best receiver. DeAndre Swift started, but the other guys worked with the ones. And he said Gerald Everett was working with the ones a lot, which I think caught him by surprise a little bit.

And Caleb looked very good, according to Dave, until they were doing 11 on 11, and the the pass rush got there and then you saw some speed bumps for Caleb Williams. A few pop culture things here. There's a movie apparently called Constantine with Keanu Reeves that got a lot of love in our chat. People thought it was his best

movie. Never even heard of it. I never heard of it either. Big debut in Major League Baseball last night. Did you guys see that? Dominguez? Adam Major. Oh, I heard of it either. Big debut in Major League Baseball last night. Did you guys see that? Dominguez? Adam Mazur. Oh, I heard it. I saw Frank tweet this last night. Adam Mazur making his debut.

What is it? Adam Mazur? There's a shh in there. It's a Mazur. M-A-Z-U-R-E. But he's a Padres starting pitcher. Adam Mazur. Adam Mazur.

Had a good start. If you say fast enough. Yes, exactly, because the M blends in. Adam Major. Exactly. Adam Major. I got to track this guy. Did you add him yet for your fantasy team

where Jack is screwing you guys over and not giving you the win? He's pathetic. I mean, it's ridiculous. No, we didn't add him. Our team's too good. And I don't know. I went back and I watched the season four finale of Stranger Things. Okay.

Random. It's just such an amazing show. I cannot wait for that show to come. You just randomly watched the finale of it? Well, I've seen the whole thing. I really want to rewatch the whole thing. But I was like, yeah. Why?

Is a new season coming for that show? No. I think next year. Yeah. Not anytime soon. They're going to have like full beards. They're going to be balding by the time. Yeah.

The next season comes. It's the best show. And I've got that song running up that hill in my head, like constantly. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. Okay.

I started rewatching the Sopranos. So good. Such a good rewatch. Early Sopranos 2 is so good. Or like season one, two, when, when it, with Olivia, with his mom. Oh, so good. Such a good rewatch. Early Sopranos 2 is so good. Or like season one, two, with Olivia with his mom. Yeah, I'm in episode nine of season two. Oh, nice. You're in like the sweet spot of that show.

What are you nodding at, Adam? You don't like Sopranos? No, I've never seen it. But I had a question. What? I know, I know, I know, I know. I know. You're talking about watching, rewatching the Stranger Things finale,

but you can't even find time to watch Sopranos or The Wire. Jamie, how many of your kids have seen Stranger Things? When can you start watching it with your kids? Oh, none. That's a pretty adult show, honestly. I think 12 years old is good. Yeah, I mean, my oldest might, but no, he's just turned 12. Okay, yeah, get into that.

I'm excited for that day. All right, here we go. It's also a scary show, too. I don't no, he's just turned 12. Okay. Yeah. They get into that. I can't, I that's, I'm excited for that day. All right. Here we go. Scary show too. Like, I don't think you want your kids watching that. Yeah. It's okay to be scared. I was watching scary stuff when I was a kid.

We haven't, if you have an older brother, you guys don't, I have an older brother and sister. I was watching horror movies when I was way younger than 12. Yeah. That explains a lot. What's the first one you saw? I have no idea. I probably like nightmare on El the first one you saw? I have no idea. I probably like Nightmare on Elm Street or something,

but I have no idea. You know that your parents are not happy about that and waking up crying. They don't care. Nobody cares about the third kid. First one for me was Poltergeist. It scared the bleep out of me. Oh, it's a scary movie. That's legit. I do remember watching that as a kid and being really scared. Nightmare on Elm Street, I mean, it's kind of

okay. Friday the 13th is terrible, but Poltergeist is good. Here we go. Dan's undervalued list. 25 minutes in, so I'm going to go three minutes per player, okay? You got to make your point. Let Jamie make his point. Camaro is your most undervalued. Deontay Johnson, he's wide receiver 43.

Go ahead. Yeah, I just love what I've read about Deontay Johnson's offseason. There was a clip that circulated the other day with Panthers' new offensive coordinator discussing with Deontay Johnson, look, we brought you over because I've seen you on tape win time after time after time again when you're lined up as the X receiver and they don't shade any safety cover to your side. And if they're going to do that again this year, we've added these guys around him, Xavier. Xavier will get all the talent they've had around him. We're going to get you the football. And I think that's going to be the case. I think Deontay Johnson is going to lead this team in targets by a wide margin, and he's going to be a really productive player and I don't have to

pay that much to get him. So this is more of a PPR play for sure. But at that price, why is he or 43 for a player who has proven to just earn targets and get open and create separation at all levels of the field consistently. And he's done it with really bad quarterback play. I'm not saying I'm sure that Bryce Young's going to elevate the quarterback play that he's had with Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph and players of that nature, but I am sure that they have brought him in for a reason to win those one-on-one matchups as the true X receiver in this offense. And I'm really excited about getting what I think is the number one target in offense this late in the draft. I totally agree with most of that.

The one thing that scares me is because you brought it up. There was a clip circulating last year from the Carolina Panthers about a player in a role that was brought in. Mingo? And no, it was Miles Sanders. Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. We're going to get you.

The ball, the level you're at was Deuce Daly and Frank Reich. I think it was definitely Frank Reich was involved. And Sanders was terrible as a free agent addition. But the thing about Deontay Johnson, and, you know, you mentioned crappy quarterback play when he had decent quarterback play because it was the end of Ben Roethlisberger's tenure there. He was one of the best PPR receivers and one of the better fantasy receivers that we had. You know, it was why I think we were still hopeful for the last couple of years that he could bounce back and play at

that level. So will he dominate targets? That's the thing I have the question about. He should lead the team in targets, but you know, I think feeling will be one of those annoying factors that will sort of bring him down a little bit. And then whatever they get out of Leggett or the other guys there, I don't like the fact that Leggett is dealing with a hamstring injury now. That should help Deontay Johnson. But in terms of the other guys there, how much of that will be a detractor for him? Because I don't know how much.

They've talked about wanting to be a little bit more of a run-heavy offense. Will that take away from it? But you said it best. The price tag is so easy to buy into Deontay Johnson. And so he may not be a 100-catch guy, but if things go right, he stays healthy. Bryce Young takes even a slight step forward. 80 catches is easy to see. Touchdowns will probably be a little bit difficult,

but he could be a good number three PPR wide receiver. So he's a little underpriced, but can certainly outproduce his ADP by a lot. I'm going to give you the guys going around the same range as Johnson. DeAndre Hopkins, Brian Thomas, Christian Watson. Yeah, I don't see any of those three having the same path toward targets as DeAndre Johnson. But the other guys have more upside, though.

For sure. All right, so who are you taking first, Jamie? Hopkins, Deontay, Brian Thomas, Christian Watson? It really depends what I need. So if I'm looking for, in our pick-by-picks, it was half PPR, my first two receivers were Jalen Waddell and George Pickens. As a third receiver on that team,

I'm looking more for receptions than I would be for more explosiveness. If I'm pretty locked into, I know I'm getting 100 catch receivers for sure, I probably would take a chance on Christian Watson over Deontay Johnson in that case, just for the bigger play, bigger upside potential. So it just kind of depends on how the build is for me.

All right, Dan thinks Jaden Daniels and Brock Purdy are underrated. They're going similarly after pick 100. I think we talked about that earlier this week on Dan's most wanted list. So let's go to DeAndre Swift. He is RB22. He's going after Aaron Jones and Zemir White just ahead of Najee Harris. This is DeAndre Swift.

Make your case for DeAndre Swift as undervalued at RB22. It starts with following the money for me. I mean, when you see a team go out and do what the Bears did right at the start of free agency, they made sure to get DeAndre Swift, one of the first deals of free agency. They gave him a good lucrative contract

for a running back. It stands out to me. It says to me that they are looking for something in their offense at the running back position they felt like they didn't have with Herbert and Rashawn Johnson. And maybe that's that electricity, that ability to be in every down, you know, be a threat on every down, essentially be able to be a

receiver or runner on every down, which I'm not sure they felt they had with Rashaun Johnson, Deontay Foreman, or Khalil Herbert. And with that said, I'm banking on the Bears offense taking a big step this year, which is something I personally believe in. I'm a big fan of Caleb Williams. I think he's the best quarterback prospect I've personally ever studied, including Trevor Lawrence, who had, you know, more of the prototypical skillset, but Caleb Williams arm talent was just unmatched from what I've seen. And so if that often takes the jump, I expect them to take. And Deandre Swift is the piece of the offense that they brought him into be and paid him to be. We're looking at someone who's probably going to end up on the field a lot more often than

we think getting a lot more receptions than we think compared to the rest of the running back position, which is not an easy thing to do. And then finding his way into the end zone six to eight times, maybe, which is all you'll need with those receptions. And at that price, you're probably going to get a borderline RB one, just outside the top 12 in scoring. And you're getting him at what RB 22, you said. So I just think there's a good piece, a good chance for value here with Swift. I would love to see them just get rid of one guy, Herbert, you know, cause you'll better feel a lot better. I mean, you know, he would probably jump five or six spots in my rankings right now. He's like, you know, in that range, 22, 23, um, you know, but it's just a matter of how much will they use the other guys.

And, uh, but I agree with you. I mean, you know, he's he's a great buy at his cost right now. And, you know, I don't think gets the credit he deserves for how he performed last year because he missed out on a lot of touchdowns because of the push push. You know, so had he scored, I think Adam, we talked about this, you know, three to five more touchdowns. We feel a little bit different about DeAndre Swift coming off that season where he can still be an electric pass catcher. They just didn't use him in that regard as much in Philadelphia. I think they will a little bit more in Chicago. He did it in Detroit for sure. And, you know, he showed he could be a 20 carry guy. He stayed healthy the majority of the season, missed the final week of the season, but that's, you know, sort of irrelevant based on how most teams operate when they're in playoff contention.

So, but if Khalil Herbert stays there will they use three guys you know and it's a little bit of a conundrum right now because Herbert had some great games for them last year you know missed some time with the ankle injury but when he was you know used as that double digit carry guy was productive and I do think that Roshan will show a little bit more so it kind of gives me a little bit of hesitation so So the guys that I struggle with, with Swift are guys that are in, you know, similar situations from, from a competition standpoint, it's Jonathan Brooks. If he told me he was healthy, I'd take Brooks. No, no question about it, but we have the ACL consideration. And then James Connor, who I think is getting a little undervalued as well because of the presence of Trey Benson.

I still think that Connor will be the lead running back there, but those are the two guys really that I debate from a, a touch standpoint, Swift versus Connor right now, Eileen Connor, but that's probably a switch that I'll make. Okay. I think,

you know, he was 24th last year per game. And that was with five or six carries that got down to the one yard line and were followed by tush push touchdowns. Do you think, do you think the Andre Swift is going to be better than he was last year? I think he will be mostly because of the receptions. I do think you're going to see a massive uptick there.

I think Caleb Williams is somebody who can use the running back in their passing game, unlike Jalen Hurts did. So I do think he will. So you say massive upgrade in the passing game. And I know you like Romo Dunzai because we've talked about that. Yeah, and now we're getting trickier, right? Now we need a big 4,500-yard type offense to make it possible. Right, but you also said on a previous show you didn't think 4,000 yards for Caleb Williams.

Yeah, no, I did. I said, no, I said I did on that. My bold prediction was he's going to break the pass. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I thought you said under that, but breaking the... No, no, no. I think he'll do it.

I really, I'm very confident in him. Rookie quarterbacks don't typically throw to running backs that much. C.J. Stroud had one of the lowest running back target rates last year. Anthony Richardson may have been even lower, but he barely played. It's just kind of a thing. But he only had 39 catches last year in 16 games, so he could have an uptick there by the way

according to both pff and espn's run block win rate the chicago bears had a top six offensive line last year run blocking so i know people are gonna go oh huge downgrade from philadelphia to chicago actually the bears offensive line appears to be a strength. Let's go to our next player. And that would be... Joan Ford. Yeah, I'm going to go off-board a little bit here. Okay, go off-board, go off-board. Ford's like the lowest-ranked guy on this list.

So you've got Mostert and Gus Edwards. Yeah, it's weird. Obviously, no one's excited to draft either of these two this year, but I looked at the ADP on Fantasy Pros, and I was stunned to see they used essentially just free square plays. Let's start first with Raheem Mostert, who I understand they added Jalen Wright. I think a lot has been made of the addition of Jalen Wright in the draft, and too much has been made.

When I watched him at Tennessee, there were some exciting moments, but you really have to take everything with a grain of salt because of the system that Josh Heupel runs at Tennessee. They have, if you guys have seen it, it's pretty incredible how they utilize the space on the field. And there's the wide receivers are really outlined out of line, which means every single time it's a light box, six defenders in a box, sometimes five defenders in a box and Jalen Wright looks really good, but I wonder if that space is going to be available for him at the NFL level. And if it's not, I wonder if he's going to be able to be effective right away at the NFL level. And I don't see it happening. So I think this is going to be a two man game with Raheem Mostert and Devin HN. And I don't see any reason why Mostert shouldn't do something

similar to what he did last year. Sure. There'll be touchdown regression, but at this cost, you're not asking for anywhere near what he did last year. So just feel like you're going to get a guy who can slot in as your RB two every week, whether he Mostert, he's going to score some weeks, um, maybe a flex, but at this price, that's all you're paying. And then Gus Edwards brought in to fit this exact regime has played with Greg Roman. And I look around that roster and what am I really all that worried about? JK Dobbins, who has never been able to stay healthy at any point in his career.

And he's had so many debilitating injuries. Sure. On paper, Dobbins looks more like a better fit than Edwards and more exciting explosive player, but I can't buy into him staying healthy. And then other players who they've brought in there to play running back. I'm not so sure we'll get on the field right away in year one. Like they, they brought in a rookie.

I'm forgetting blank on who it was. I think it was. Yeah. Vidal, who a lot of people are excited about in the community, but in the fantasy community, based on the, based on the fact that he was drafted by the chargers,

but that's a rookie. I'm not so sure a rookie is getting on the field for a lot of snaps. He's going to have to be really good in pass pro. So I think Gus could end up playing a lot more snaps than we think in an offense that really blocks well and designs the run game well. And once again, we could be looking at another season where Gus Edwards is an RB two. You don't have to pay for him as an RB two,

just like with most, or you're paying RB four prices. So I just think there's good chance for, you know, value. And I like these guys specifically if I have a very wide receiver heavy build. Okay. Gus Edwards and most of most of it is RB 28, Jamie and Edwards is RB 35 in this fantasy pros PPR ranking, right? I just, I wonder with most certain this, you know, goes back to the ADP even, you know,

that Devon HN is the number seven running back coming off the board and most are 28, which I think is fairly priced. I have them a little bit lower than that because I do think that there's going to be a bigger role for Achan and some role for Jalen Wright. And the touchdowns, you know, crater for most, he had 18 to lead the NFL last year. Is he going to be as productive elsewhere? Plus he's going to be 32 years old. So I'm just a little concerned that we don't get what we're hoping for here, which is the breakout for HN and still most are being a safe RB too, which is, you know, I think kind of what Dan's getting at that you can still start him consistently. Now you're not drafting him to be that way, which is fine. You know, if you're drafting to be a

high end flex with the hope that it becomes something more, or if he doesn't get you to that level of production, at least you're not investing in him as a starter. So I think that again, the ADP is fine, but I just don't see these two working out the same way where they're both going to get what you're looking for, which is still good production from most are in a chance, taking a step forward. So I can't really buy into both for Edwards. I think it's spot on, you know, he's, he's, um, not the type of guy that you typically want to invest in, but he's in the right offense that you want to invest in because as Dan said, they're going to run the ball a lot.

J.K. Dobbins, I was extremely excited about him last year. I got a half of production from him that I was looking for. That was it. He's missed 43 games since coming into the NFL in 2020. That's just awful. You know, so maybe this is the year he surprises us and stays healthy because it is a good landing spot, but hard to bank on. Now, Vidal is easy to draft.

And this is, you know, we talked about this with the Cincinnati backfield. It's such an easy investment to get Zach Moss and Chase Brown. It's even easier to get the two Chargers guys, two of the Chargers guys, if you want to. And I would lean toward getting both Edwards and Vidal. And you can get Edwards, like you said, RB36. Vidal's basically free. You know, so if you want to get pieces of this backfield just to see how it all shakes out, I highly

recommend doing it. Not a bad call to get both those guys just on that team and see how it all unfolds. Alright, we've got to take a break here. We're going to talk about one more player, and it's not going to be Jerome Ford on the undervalued list, and then we'll do some overvalued players. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today.

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Then sit back and let your matches start the chat. Download Bumble and try it for yourself. I see Trey Benson on Dan's undervalued list. He's RB 32. He's going right after guys like Raheem Mostert, Tony Pollard, and Devin Singletary. This is Trey Benson, Cardinals rookie. He's going before Tajay Spears and Bryan Robinson.

I don't remember which show we talked about, but Tajay Spears still is one of the best draft values for sure. But as far as benson goes you know he's going only five running back picks after james connor and i actually think connor is the better value here dan as rb27 benson is one of the first like true well i don't know how much you think he's going to play, but I think handcuffs, I would call him like I don't I don't think he's Tajay Spears in terms of role. And, you know, if everyone's healthy. So I look at it very differently. I don't think they drafted him where they drafted him to be a handcuff at all. This is a player who two years ago broke the force, missed tackle uh record from pro football focus forced a missed

tackle on almost a half of his carries it was a previous record held by travis etn and giovante williams who i know we look at jonte williams a different way now but back in college coming out of unc he was a freak who forced a lot of missed tackles and that's an advanced metric that seems to carry over and predict success he also ran a 49 and it's obvious on tape that he has that breakaway speed, that ability to kind of create force missed tackles in space and manipulate angles. I find him to be one of the best talents. He was my RB1 in this class. So I don't think when you use that kind of early capital on a player like that, he's just going to be a handcuff. I think his role could be pretty similar to Tajay Spears in a much better offense that scores a lot more points.

And in addition to that, he has a guy ahead of him in James Conner who has an injury history and has battled injuries at times pretty much every year of his career. So if there's a better chance for me in my mind to potentially see, you know, a workhorse role, I think it's coming from Benson. I'm not so sure. I mean, I believe Tajay Spears can be a workhorse despite his diminutive size, but I'm not so sure the Titans do, but I do believe that. But I know Trey Benson can be because he was that at Florida State, and he has the size for it. He's a much bigger back than Tajay Spears. So I think you're talking about incredible talent that they went up and got in the draft for an offense that could take a big leap forward.

I think he's going to have a role early and could potentially be, you know, a league-winning pick if James Conner does get injured again. And you're getting that really late in a draft. This is very late for probably what I would consider the most talented running back in the class. You could argue Jonathan Brooks, and that's fine. I understand that. But it's one or the other of these two.

So I just like the overall landscape of that. I'm getting really good value in my mind because I'm getting a potential league-winning pick. He didn't really go that early. I mean, it was a third round pick. If you look at third round picks... Early third round pick. 66th overall, yeah. Basically, that's one of the first

picks of the third round. Sure. It is a third round pick. I don't know. Roshan Johnson was a third round pick last year. Who else? I think he may have been the only third round. Roshan Johnson was a third round pick last year. Who else? I think he may have been the only third round pick. Rashad White was a third round pick. He did nothing.

I mean, Jonathan Taylor went off the board at like 45 overall. Rashad White had a lot of running backs. Don't get drafted high. I don't know. All right. I mean, 66 is kind of high. For a running back, for sure. It is.

Yeah. But also, it is round three. And round three picks typically don't do much as rookies, but a lot of people obviously agree with you, Dan. They obviously agree with you. They're taking Ben. They don't,

I think they don't have a lot of faith in Connor. That's basically what I'm, what I'm seeing here. Uh, Jamie, how much, how many rounds should separate Connor and Benson? I don't think very many just because Connor's going to fall,

which like you said, makes him a great value pick because if he stays healthy, he will be the best running back in Arizona. Uh, Benson, I think is going to need an injury to Connor to be a starting caliber, caliber fantasy asset. But I do think he's one of the best insurance policies you can have. And certainly one of the better lottery tickets you have, because Dan said, Connor gets hurt almost every year of his career. Uh, it's just a matter of just a matter of how much will these guys work in tandem together, and that's still a little bit of a concern because they haven't shown, even in two different coaching staffs since Conor's been there, that they've wanted to give other guys work.

Now, again, they haven't had a guy as talented as Trey Benson, so I think that comes into play. But look, Benson is going to be one of these guys that you take with a mid-round pick. Don't take him with the idea of him being a starter. Hope that he could become a starter because of the the connor track record and then we'll see what happens if he runs away with the situation when connor is banged up you know so um i don't i don't mind them going close together because i think people are excited about benson and a little bit down on connor but i think that just makes connor the better pick to get because the further he falls the better off it will be for fantasy. Time to look at Dan's overvalued players. And it was Travis Etienne we talked about at the top of

the show. DJ Moore is wide receiver 19. He's going 25th overall, which really could definitely happen in your drafts. I mean, I think I saw it in the draft. The only fans draft i did a few days ago dude what it was only our fans were doing it only okay uh anyway d dj moore is going ahead of stefan diggs hey the guys we're going to talk about one guy is the most overvalued player in the world next but anyway do you think dj moore it's too high at wide receiver 19 dan yeah just a little bit too high for me. I think part of what's made DJ Moore such a fantasy success has been lack of

target competition around him. Didn't have much to work against him last year with Chicago. Same was the case in Carolina, and that led to a dominant in target share. I'm not so sure that's the case anymore. We talked about DeAndre Swift, who might be brought in and have a little bit of a role in passing him, but also Romo Dunze, one of the best wide receiver prospects I thought I've studied in the last 10 years.

He would have been wide receiver one in seven of the last 10 draft classes for me, as would all of those big three receivers, neighbors, and Marvin Harrison. So now you bring in a really, really good talent to compete with for targets, in addition to Keenan Allen, who still had like top two, top three separation rate last year in the NFL. So just a lot of target competition he didn't used to have. Plus, still a rookie quarterback. I'm bullish on him, but bullish is when you believe it. Yes, you're bullish on Caleb Williams. I'm bullish on Caleb Williams, but still a rookie quarterback. And like you said, rookie quarterbacks have tended to not have that much success,

and the Bears have never had a 4,000-yard pass. Did I say that? I don't think I said that. I said rookie quarterbacks don't throw to running backs. No, I mean, rookie quarterbacks didn't have a lot of success. Things are changing. A little bit. Just Stroud, really. No.

Like I said yesterday or whenever we were on, Baker Mayfield set a touchdown record. Yeah. Who else? Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert was the real one. Justin Herbert broke it. And Burrow was pretty good, actually, before he got hurt as a rookie.

Right, right. And then Stroud comes in. Yeah, and he can do it. It's a lot of target competition there that he's never had in his entire career. So I just think you're paying the price for his past production. Okay. Malik Neighbors is wide receiver 21. That is just wild. As a Malik Neigh is wide receiver 21. That is just wild as, as a Malik neighbors guy.

Yeah. Way too early. It's too early for a multitude of reasons. Mostly the giants passing him has been absolute abject disaster. Um, there have made some additions on the offensive line to try to improve what was the dead last worst offensive line in football last year by every metric, but you know, not crazy improving. I mean, they brought in John Runyon who they believe can help and they're still banking on Evan Neal. So there's a chance that offensive line in football last year by every metric, but you know, not crazy improving. They brought in John Runyon who they believe can help, and they're still banking on Evan Neal. So there's a chance that offensive line remains a disaster. It's not a guarantee. In addition to that, Daniel Jones, not a quarterback who throws the football very well at any point

in his career, uh, has had seasons of 11 touchdown passes. 10, 15 was his breakout season in 2022. So the touchdowns are going to be tough to come by from elite neighbors in year one. Now, I still think he can potentially give you what Jalen Waddle gave the Dolphins as a rookie, which is kind of that Mickey. And I love, I'm going to credit Matt Harmon for this because he brought this up and I really thought it was a great point. It's a lot of that kind of like Mickey Mouse style offense, quick targets, layup throws, just get the ball out to him. And then he can do some damage and he will.

And that could be a high reception total, maybe a good amount of yards, a little over 1,000, but the touchdowns are going to hold him back. So at this price, you need him to score 8, 9, 10 touchdowns. It's hard for me to see him get into that touchdown range. I used to do a pretty decent Mickey Mouse voice when my kids were watching Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. I don't think I have the guts to try it right now. No, let's go.

Come on. It was like, that was decent. Now go with it. Commit, commit, commit. Come on, Mouseketeers. Are you Mouseka ready? It's just like. That's pretty good, actually.

Yeah, you know what? You earned praise for that one. Jamie, I'm going to get your thoughts on Trey McBride, who Dan has on his overvalued list. Tight end three, going seven picks ahead of Mark Andrews as a round four pick, 44th overall. Is Trey McBride being overvalued, as Dan would say? I like Andrews better, but I don't think he's overvalued in round four.

I think we're going to see another productive season from him. Dan brought this up. I think it was on our CBS Sports Network show yesterday that, you know, the target crunch is something to be a little bit concerned about because Marvin Harrison Jr. is now there and, you know, Zay Jones and Michael Wilson and Greg Dortch, you know, those guys will command some level of targets. But I think from what we saw from McBride, you know, second year breakout, you know, he was on pace to lead tight ends and points per game from week six on when Zach Ertz was gone.

It was, you know, by percentage points, but it was or by decimal points, but it was close. He's he's got the ability, I think, to be one of these elite tight end producers. And it's just a matter of, you know, how much were Kyler Murray continued to lean on him? It is a very tight end friendly offense. You know, this, the, the office coordinator's name escaping me right now, but comes from Cleveland, um, who, you know, under Kevin Stefanski, very tight end friendly offense. We saw that last year with how they used Ertz in the beginning of the season, and then certainly how they use McBride at the end of the season. And I think that will continue. And so I don't mind him as tight end four. Um, again, for me, he's getting closer to Dalton Kincaid than he is

to the other three. Cause I think, you know, Mark Andrews getting overlooked a, for me, he's getting closer to Dalton Kincaid than he is to the other three because I think, you know, Mark Andrews getting overlooked a little bit. So he's one of the better values in the upper echelon of players. But I don't mind him in round four and I don't mind him being drafted in the elite level group of tight ends.

OK, I'm going to help you out with the offensive coordinator's name, which I looked up his last name. It's two syllables. First syllable. Jamie, you bought one of these a few months ago, as I recall. Okay. It's furry.

You love it. Dog. Yeah, dog, right, is one name for it. Second syllable is like when you make a really funny joke, you know, and somebody would say after it. Uh-huh. So, okay, we have dog, ha, haha, or we have petzing. Petsing, yep.

Drew Petsing. Zing. Okay. Anywho, let's go to Keenan Allen. You also have on your list. Brian Thomas, wide receiver 44. I'm going to go to him. And wide receiver 44. I'm going to go to him. Wide receiver 44 for Brian Thomas. This is just

after Roma Dunze and Deontay Johnson, just before Christian Watson and Jackson Smith and Jigba, who are, I think, easy calls over Brian Thomas personally. What do you think about Brian Thomas at wide receiver 44? You say he's overvalued. Look, I don't hate the idea of investing in Brian Thomas for the upside. And I'm always a big fan at this stage of the draft of buying into upside. But I think it's really important to note that he came from an offense late breakout at LSU. And if you look at the route tree last year, he really just ran two routes at LSU. And that offense is a very, I talk about Josh Heupel's offense at Tennessee and how it's tough to carry it, to find carry over from that to the NFL game. It's somewhat tough to find it with Brian Galley's offense, which I think could be interesting for Jaden Daniels in Washington, by the way,

a lot of slot fades that just won't be available to him at the NFL level. The space is just not there. And that really worked in Brian Thomas's favor, that kind of space. And again, running two routes, if he has to take time to learn the route tree or perfect the route tree, will that time be spent on the field or will that time be spent on the practice field? They have a lot of options that could play ahead of him. They have multiple tight ends. They could get on the field. They just spent the second round pick last year on Brenton strange. I'm not certain they're going to go never put him on the field this year after that kind of investment, especially with him having a year up in the system over Brian Thomas. So just options to get on the field. I'm scared that he just will be one of those guys

that just doesn't play a lot early in the season. And, you know, we're getting him at a spot where, like you said, there's guys like Deontay Johnson, Jackson, the guys I know who will be on the field. Jamie, would you take Christian Watson and JSN ahead of Brian Thomas? Yes. You know, I think, again, raw product, raw prospect, great opportunity. Second half of the season, I think he could be a lot of fun and very productive. But I think the same thing for those two guys. You know, I mean, Watson, you know, I said it a few times now

that I think if he's healthy, gets this hamstring injury under control, he could be the best receiver for the Packers and has shown that, you know, based on his high-end production. And for JSN, I think the offensive change in Seattle will benefit him. Plus, if there's an injury to any of the guys in front of him, he could be an absolute superstar. So I would take those two guys over Thomas, who is stepping into a great situation. You know, over 200 targets vacated without Calvin Ridley and Zay Jones there, but I think Christian Kirk and Ingram and what Etienne does in the passing game,

plus Gabe Davis, is going to help negate a lot of those vacated targets and not necessarily allow Brian Thomas to flourish right away. So he's going to take some time, but could eventually become a good player, but I think those other two guys are a little bit better. So the thing about Thomas is that,

as I sit here today, I don't really feel like i want to draft him we just talked about why but yeah the fact that he is a raw prospect and yeah i do think he's gonna be third on his team and targets and you know whatever probably not going to be great this year but that justin jefferson just sticks in the back of my mind justin jefferson was drafted similarly know, in terms of what pick was used. Jefferson, I think, was the fifth wide receiver taken, and Thomas was the fourth. They were both first-round picks. Jefferson came in. Look at his ADP that year.

No expectations, really. I mean, like, just like, oh, he's a first-round pick. We should draft him. But nobody really expected much. But he was obviously a Stefan Diggs replacement. Diggs was traded. And Thomas is obviously a Calvin Ridley replacement. And I almost feel like I have to be more open-minded about Brian Thomas. This is separate from whether or not he's overvalued or undervalued. But I see major, I see, like, major downside. Not even worth rostering, basically.

Quinton Johnston, not quite that bad. But JSN, you know, like, just because he was a first-round pick doesn't mean anything. But I also, I can't get over the fact that there are similarities. It reminds me of Jefferson, I guess, the college, the explosiveness, all that stuff. I don't want to eliminate the possibility that he is a huge surprise this year. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you know, look, we get, I think a little bit enamored with, and understandably so because these teams invest in

them. But with these first round wide receivers, I mean, Traylon Burks has been a bust. Jalen Rager was a bust. You know, it's not a foolproof situation that just because the guy goes in the first round that he's going to be a superstar. And so look, the opportunity is there again, vacated targets, huge opportunity quarterback that hopefully will play better, but has been disappointing. But you know, again, if he's healthy, Trevor Lawrence can still produce great production from his, his receiving core. And there's a chance that Thomas is the best receiver on his team if he can pick things up right away. But I think everybody viewed him coming into the league as a prospect that still needs to grow a little bit after just having one

year of exceptional production at college. Like you said, the college makes you feel like, okay, they've produced great wide receivers. They certainly have, you know what I mean? LSU has been, you know, wide receiver university for the last couple of years and how they've gotten guys into the league and playing at a high level. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a star right away. So where you're drafting him in the 40s, it's an easy investment. Taking him over with some of those other guys, you know, I don't necessarily think you have to. But again, he can be better than those guys. There's no doubt about it.

So, yes, you should be more open-minded to it i think it's a more fascinating conversation almost from a dynasty perspective than it is from redraft because you're you're sinking a first round pick into a guy that you're hoping to be the you know future wide receiver one wide receiver two on your team and the group that he's going with there's no sure thing i think either you know where's the high end level for lad mcconConkie? I think people will say, okay, maybe he's Keenan Allen, but that's a big leap because Keenan Allen's been amazing. Xavier Worthy, speed guys.

Stop right there. With the seventh pick of our dynasty draft, which I'm going to start soon, if it comes down to it, I will take Xavier Worthy over Brian Thomas. I went through our draft last night because I was bored and I was looking at what teams may do. You should have an opportunity to probably end up with J.J. McCarthy

or Drake May, which I think you need. I don't want them. You're talking about Big Burger? Yeah. Okay, interesting. What pick do you have? I don't know that I believe in McCarthy. You want it?

I'll tell you. Let me see if I can predict it correctly. I have a seventh pick. I'll do it at the end of the show. I think there is a chance that I get Odunze I believe in McCarthy. You want it? I'll tell you. Let me see if I can predict it correctly. I have a seventh pick. I'll do it at the end of the show. I think there is a chance that I get a Doonzayer-Neighbors. There is a chance. No. No shot at either of those two.

Well, I think Harrison's off the board. Okay, Harrison's off the board. Three quarterbacks. No, here, I looked at this. I'm telling you, I did it last night. I looked at everybody's roster and what they're going to do. First pick has Mahomes,

Prescott, and Baker. Not taking a quarterback, so taking Marvin Harrison. Second pick has no quarterback. Just give me your projected top six. Harrison goes

one. Caleb goes one. Caleb goes two. Neighbors goes three. Heath has no quarterbacks. He's taking Daniels, which is easy. Four. Five is Odunze. So three and five are the same team.

So it ends up with Neighbors and Odunze because they have quarterbacks. Or maybe Jonathan Brooks, but that's where that goes. Bobby's All-Ststars probably goes Bowers. And then it's you, which I think. So listen, if you get, if you get Bowers as six and you get Brooks or another quarterback instead of neighbors or Odunze,

then there you go. That third receiver falls to seven. But you going, you going, You going... I'm taking Xavier Worthy over Drake May or in Superflex. I need a third quarterback. I'm probably

going quarterback at nine. I'm going with Xavier Worthy over QB3, I think. We'll see. I'm open for business, too too i ultimately ended up trading last year during the draft dalton kincaid for a future first that's this year's first it ends up being the second last pick i'm not so sure i love that trade anymore by the time i was like it's a great trade this is a phenomenal trade by him getting a one but now i'm like i don't know about that i think i'd rather have dalton kincaid than whatever I'm going to get at the second-to-last pick.

Would you rather have Dalton Kincaid, Brian Thomas, or Xavier Worthy? I think Dalton Kincaid. Yeah. So I don't think I did good on that. I think Worthy has, like, just not year one necessarily, but just massive potential.

Massive potential. Think about the players that they've had there. I think he could be Tyree Kill. I don't think Worthy is like any of the players they've had in there. I don't disagree with you. And they're about to lose Kelsey. At some point, they're going to lose Kelsey. He makes me nervous, though.

I mean, they failed on Mikko Hardman. They failed on Sky Moore. They failed on... What was the third guy? I mean, Kaderi's Tony, but they traded for him. Yeah. Yeah. Tony's a whole different issue. Brian Thomas caught 17 touchdowns last year, by the way.

12 of them were considered deep by True Media, mostly go routes and post routes. I just don't think he's ready this year to be him. Okay, we got to go. Now that I dropped that super cool – Oh, we have a draft in 15 minutes. Magazine draft. We have our first draft in 15 minutes. got to go. Now that I dropped that super cool. Oh, we have a draft in 15 minutes. Magazine draft. We have our first draft in 15 minutes.

Let's go. Real draft. I have the first pick, right? Yeah, I don't. I don't still. How did that random draft order get decided? I hate having the 12th pick and I feel like it was rigged. Honestly, I'll give you the first pick.

Okay, done. Jamie, make the change. Make the change, please. No, not not all. I'll give you one. You give me. Jamie, make the change. Make the change, please. No, not all of them. I'll give you one, you give me 12, and I also get... 13? I get your second. I get

13 and... And we swap? We can't make trades. We make trades for players, but the way the draft has to be laid out in the magazine, you can't be doing that. Stop complicating things, Adam. All right, all right, all right. Trade draft spots.

Yeah, trade the draft spots. I'll give you the first pick. I will make your picks in round three and five. And then I get your three and five or no? No, no. You just get one. You get McCaffrey. No, no, no.

Terrible. Get out of here. Terrible. Get out of here. All right, everybody. Last night, Dan had the first pick. He ended up going McCaffrey, Kup, Kelsey, Keenan Allen, and Marquise Brown, I think, were his first five picks. No, that wasn't true.

And that was a long time ago. And I still don't believe that happened. And you blame me for Marquise Brown, which I don't know what you're looking at. That is 100% true. That is exactly what happened. No, there was a couple picks in between that you're missing, but don't worry about it. That was a long time ago. Things have changed.

I think those were your first five picks. They were you're missing, but don't worry about it. It was a long time ago. Things have changed. I think those were your first five picks. They were. They were. Absolutely. It was like old, decrepit. We had like no ADP on the site at the time. Because we have a lot of ADP now. Picking from the hip. It was one of those days I had something else going on. Always an excuse.

We'll talk to you later. Why don't we play the dance story? I'm going to get the actual clip. We'll tell it another time. Alright, see you later, everybody. talk to you later. I went by the dance story. No, I'm going to get the actual clip. We'll tell it another time. All right, see you later, everybody. Have a good one. It's the season for new styles, and you love to shop for jackets and boots. So when you do, always make sure you get cash back from Rakuten.

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