Fantasy Football Today - Early Busts! Garrett Wilson, Zay Flowers, Mike Evans and More (04/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Dave and Jamey bring their Busts lists to the show and we start with Dave's list with Garrett Wilson (5:10) being one of the headliners. Can he get 140 targets? Can he do enough with them? We also hear bust cases for Marvin Harrison Jr. (14:00) and Zay Flowers (24:35) ... Dave talks about a couple of quarterbacks (32:45) that he will be avoiding at cost. Jamey doesn't necessarily agree on the Kyler Murray take ... We hear Jamey's busts (42:35) including Saquon Barkley and Mike Evans. Dave isn't ready to fade Evans yet ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So today we're talking about busts. We did a show similar to this, the Do Not Draft List or something. So that was, I don't know, month and a half ago or so. So I'll try to keep it a little bit different here, but we'll talk about, you know, players we're not loving. They're expected ADPs, I guess. I don't have a lot of news and notes here.

Just, you know, a name that keeps popping up and dynasty managers are wondering about is Joe Milton. And masslive.com reports that the Patriots have received multiple trade offers for quarterback Joe Milton. He was a sixth round pick in 2024. In week 18, he played 22 of 29, 241 yards, one touchdown plus a rushing touchdown.

He scored 21.2 points against Bill's backups. Would you value Joe Milton, let's say in a 12 team super flex dynasty league, pick 301, Joe Milton, which would you rather have? Joe Milton. Two different answers there. Jamie, how high would you go to 2.6 or Joe Milton? I think it would probably depend on my quarterback situation at that point.

But when you get into the third round, I think you know, you're looking for as much upside as you possibly can. And I'm trying to think like where he would stack up in this year's class, because obviously he wasn't very highly thought of in last year's class but we know it was their class. And I'm trying to think like Jalen Milrow for example, you know, like where teams are sort of evaluating him and he's probably fifth quarterback, fourth quarterback, you know, like that's where he starts to maybe come into the conversation at best. And so I would think, like, let's say Cleveland, for example, if they decided to make a move

for him, or the Giants, Steelers, teams that don't have certain quarterback situations for the future. I wonder if he got a chance to start, would it be something that could turn into, you know, potential playmaker and, you know, start to think of like the, the high end fantasy wise of like Justin Fields and Anthony Richardson, but the lows reality wise, because I think he's still on polished. So there's some some potential there for fantasy managers. So that's where I think it comes into play, you know, 301 would be probably the earliest I would go. Okay. Well, that takes care of the news and notes. Hey, listen,

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or whatever it is, and catch up on your sports, anything you missed around the sports world. And some things you didn't even know you missed, because CBS Sports HQ has its finger on the pulse. All right, let's talk about some busts here. We'll start with Dave's busts. You've got three young wide receivers, a fourth year guy, a second year guy, a third year guy,

Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison Jr., and Zay Flowers. So Garrett Wilson, I'm seeing on NFC ADP, you know I should probably change the date range till after free agency. So let me change the date range real quick. Garrett Wilson, seeing him about 33rd overall. So let's call them a mid to late round. Where's the amongst wide receivers filter out all the other positions and

tell me where he ranks among wide outs wide receiver 14 too high. Yeah, that is high. Way too high. And I love, listen, the truth is, is I'm not sure how I feel about Marvin Harrison anymore, but Z, MD, MPH, MPH situation, those things always matter more than talent. Certainly opportunity does. And I'm really nervous when I hear a new head coach of a team with a new offensive coordinator say, Well, I've got 3 running backs I really like. And they draft a quarter, they didn't draft them. They sign a quarterback who runs a lot and isn't known for, you know, reading coverages and throwing downfield very well. There's no doubt that Garrett Wilson's going to lead the Jets and Targets. It's just a matter of how many Targets will he get? How many touchdowns will he get? Is it going to compare anywhere close to any of his years so

far in the league? It makes me nervous. And to call him a Top 15 fantasy wide receiver at this juncture, just, it seems like you're ignoring a lot of other wide receivers that have the same type. Some of those receivers, their floor might be close to what Garrett Wilson's ceiling is given the environment that he's playing in with the Jets right now. Well, I think probably easy to put, here's some guys that are behind him.

T Higgins. Ahead of him. Terry McLaurin. Ahead of him. DJ Moore. Ahead of him. DJ Moore. Ahead of him. Jamie, you agree? I would take Higgins and Moore ahead of Wilson.

I would take Wilson out of McLaurin. Mike Evans. Ahead. I'll take Wilson. It's not so easy after that. Talking about Devonte Adams, Marvin Harrison Jr. Take Adams ahead of him. Oh, Devonte Smith. That's easy for me.

Let's see what happens with Dallas. Got it for now. Devante is behind him. I mean, it is interesting just to think comparing Garrett Wilson to Devante Adams when they were on the same team together last year. Garrett Wilson was the number 26 wide receiver per game and Devonte Adams was the number nine receiver per game. You know, the targets were a 176 pace target for Adams

and a 134 target pace for Wilson. But obviously- Yeah, I don't even know if Wilson gets to 134 targets. Right, that was my question. You know, look at number one wide receivers with Justin Fields. It's not the greatest. One guy did great.

Yeah, well, let me just go through it here because obviously we know that DJ Moore did great. The first year of his career, Darnell Mooney actually had a pretty good year, but that was, you know, he had a, he had a thousand yards, 1055 yards and four touchdowns on 140 targets. But I do believe confidently, if you looked at those games, he was much, much better with Andy Dalton than he was with Justin Fields.

2022 was just a horrible year for the Bears passing game. 2023, DJ Moore, DJ Moore was so good that year, but when it was just the Justin Fields games and not the Beijing games, he was on pace for 1561 yards, 11 touchdowns on 101 catches, but on 140 targets. Can we get to 140 targets? George Pickens was on pace for 125 targets in the first six games of the year, 74, 74 catches, 1028 yards, zero touchdowns on 125 targets in the first six games of the year 74 74 catches 1028 yards zero touchdowns on 125 targets Jamie you think we can get to 140 targets for Wilson depending if the Jets don't add anybody else 100% and

Wilson stays healthy. Yes And Dave you're less certain Yes, all right Obviously the touchdowns are a concern as well, but just another thing about Wilson, he's had in three years, here are his targets. 150, 147, 168, 153. He's had 147 or more targets in all three years and we haven't had a single standout season yet.

How many rushing quarterbacks has he played with? Zero. Okay. I think, I mean, it's mostly been Zach Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. And there was like Tim Boyle and you know, there was that- Well, I mean, his rookie year, he had a bunch. Was it his rookie year or his second year?

His rookie year he had- Believe it was both. Yeah, it was both. Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco, Chris Streveler. Yeah, it was both. Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco, Chris Streveler. His second year he had Zach Wilson, Trevor Simeon, Tim Boyle, and one pass attempt from Aaron Rodgers. But yeah, no mobile quarterbacks.

But again, three years with 147 and more targets. And he's never finished higher than wide receiver 19 per game. He's been wide receiver 31, 33 and 19 per game Garrett Wilson in those three seasons. So Jamie, how could that change? Well, first off, this is a quarterback that he has a history with, you know, so hopefully that matters. You know, the two played together at Ohio State and hopefully this is going to be similar

to what we saw, you know, if you just want to have a comp, a recent one. What did Josh do? The minute he stepped on the field when he started for San Francisco? He looked for his college buddy in in Juana Jennings. Um this receiving course sucks right now, you know And so Garrett Wilson should get fed targets. I think this is gonna be you know, an interesting team in general Will they be able to stop anybody? I don't necessarily want to completely look at fields and pickings and say that's kind of a Situation that we're gonna get because the Steelers did not allow Justin Fields to do much at all

I'm hoping the Jets by investing in him Give him an opportunity to throw the ball a little bit more and we see closer to what DJ Moore was able to produce than What Garrett Wilson that Garrett Wilson is able to produce closer to what DJ Moore was able to do So that's what I think we'll see right around 140 targets. I don't think we're looking at 160 plus like what he had last year. That was kind of insane. And it was kind of highlighted by that one game

right before they got the Vatay Adams. He had like a 30 target camp, if I'm not mistaken. It was something- I think it was 23. Yeah, something insane. So it's, I think the range of receivers you listed is fair. So depending on how you feel about that group is fair, you know, so depending on how you feel about that group of guys, you're either gonna like Wilson ahead of them or

behind them. Round three, I think is where he'll go, you know, so it's the perfect spot to take a chance on a guy that still has amazing upside. And again, if they don't bring in anybody else of significance, and we're talking about the same cast of characters that they had last year, minus Devante Adams, then I love the situation for Garrett Wilson. All right. Let's take a break here and we will come back and talk about Marvin Harrison Jr. and Zay Flowers. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football Today.

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My goal for the second part of this show is to catch Schaefer sleeping and get in a commercial break like super quick. And he's gonna be like scrambling to hit the button for your YouTubers. So we'll see if I can accomplish that goal. Dave just not- You're purposely trying to sabotage the show. Just for like a second,

a second of dead air before a commercial comes in. I'm fine with that. I put a word document on the show yesterday Yeah I don't think we can really get much worse than that. Did you write down our bets? You don't forget. Oh Absolutely, not I've already forgotten it. It was Amy put in a word doc Devers versus torpedo bat chism From now before to the draft season Marvin Marvin Harrison Jr. is a bus debut, is basically the same ADP as Devontae Smith. I meant to say Garrett Wilson.

Yeah, right. But that's not true, actually. Wilson's 14th and Harrison is 18th. He's about eight picks later in this early NFC ADP. I wish the torpedo bat would help Marvin Harrison last year, 6.8 targets per game. That's way lower than anybody expected. And by the end of the year, it was really Trey McBride who stepped up as the number one target for the Cardinals. And we've seen that whoever that number one target is for Arizona with Kyler

Murray is the guy that gets good production and fantasy. That's not to say that Marvin Harrison can't do it. the guy that gets good production and fantasy. That's not to say that Marvin Harrison can't do it. I mean, there were eight games last year, where he had 7-plus targets, average 15.6 PPR points per game in those. So if we can get back to that point and maybe another year of him improving his game and being a little bit more explosive and hopefully being used differently in the Arizona offense, then maybe that's, that's what he needs to be better. And maybe I'm all wrong on this. But I feel like I got to see it first. I got to hear about it first. And so I'm paying attention to what comes out of Arizona. I'm paying attention to what comes out of everywhere, but certainly Arizona for the next 4 months or so. Because I want to know if Marvin, Marvin Harrison really has a chance to be the No. 1 guy for the Cardinals, not

share that role with Trey McBride or anybody else, or even worse, being the No. 2 guy. I think if you're taking him as high as he's going in ADP, I think you're doing it with hope, and not based on what we saw consistently last year. And there wasn't a lot of consistency last year. but when he was good, he was really good. But when he was bad, he was moped Marv at them. Moped Marv. Marvin Harrison Jr. was around wide receiver 40 per game last year, 885 yards, which I think was really so disappointing and eight touchdowns is great,

but 116 targets in 17 games. It's just, how does that even happen? He needs to be talking more. I don't know. And his catch rate on throws of 11 plus terriers, we're not talking about, you know, these huge bomb plays was 44.3%. And to me, that's gross,

especially for a guy as decorated a prospect as Marvin Harrison was. He's gotta have volume just to have a chance to be in the wide receiver two conversation. So I spoke to Jonathan Gannon about that, yes, two days ago. And obviously, we don't know how he's going to, how he's going to perform. You know, he was very encouraged by his rookie season, just, you know, I think evaluating it from the standpoint of getting his feet wet and seeing what he was going to perform. He was very encouraged by his rookie season, just evaluating it from the standpoint of getting his feet wet and seeing what he was able to do. He gave the coach speak answer of the things that didn't show up on the stat sheet of what he did to open up things for Trey McBride. He specifically said open up things in the run game. How wide receivers clear out space and those things and the attention that he drew. So he, you know, it sounded as if like he was talking about his week two game and how that sort of changed how teams defended them.

And the answer he gave me, but he did specifically say like we have to do a better job of, you know, featuring him a little bit more and getting him more involved. So I think there's there's definitely reason for encouragement. It's a matter of now where it comes down to cost. And so, you know, what you're spending to draft Marvin Harrison with, you know, similar to what we talked about yesterday with like a guy like Caleb Williams or Drake May, you know, so these guys in their second year, you know, how much do they take a leap forward for what the expectations were? Obviously, he was a bust, but can he rebound to the heights of what his college pedigree was and the prospect? I think for me, like round four, if I go, you know, college pedigree was and the prospect. I think for me, like, round 4, if I go, you know, hero RB like I typically

do and I'm looking for, you know, a, a third receiver to go with the first two that I drafted in the running back, I love that. I will not touch them in round 3. Anything after round 4 to me is a bonus. Jim Collison... When I hear a coach say something like that, and if you guys disagree, shoot a hole in it, I get the sense that they want to add another receiver to the offense. It didn't sound like that. You don't think they want to add another guy to try and open things up for him. He was talking about, I happened to walk up right when one of the beat writers was asking

about Zay Jones and how much his suspension, you know, sort of put him behind. And he was talking about Zay Jones. I assume they still like Michael Wilson to play a significant role. You know, it's always interesting with these receivers. I remember talking to Zach Taylor, for example, about Jamar Chase and what he said in regards to rookie year to year two and how much just the over they get. These guys get overwhelmed of draft right into mini camp, you know, and then trying to find a place to live and all these things and just how things they get acclimated and Zach Taylor was saying, you know, year two camp, you know, and then trying to find a place to live and all these things and just how things they get acclimated.

And Zach Taylor was saying, you know, year two was, you know, so important for the, it's so important for these guys because now it's their first full off season of just focusing on the NFL, especially after all the combine stuff. Now Marvin Harrison didn't go through the combine training. So I don't know how much that factors in with him. But I, I, again, I think there's too much upside here for what he can be to completely avoid him But I think if you're you know trying to draft him anywhere close to what he was at last year Which was probably just a huge mistake and and you know over value on our part. Oh, yeah, and how we ranked him

history collectively, you know, I just hope that you know the The the opportunities increase. You want to judge his speed, okay. If you don't like that, you don't think he has an opportunity to be more explosive, he just may not be that type of guy. It could be more of the Drake, May, Michael Pittman caliber of receivers with just a little bit more physicality.

And hopefully that's what puts him at another level. But it's a huge year for him, for anybody that has him at dynasty or, you know, long-term keeper leagues, I think from a redraft perspective, you know, if you're taking him with sort of leftover wide receiver twos or the high-end wide receiver threes, I think that's a perfect spot to take a chance on what his upside could be. I'm good with him as a high-end wide receiver three.

There's Marvin Harrison Jr. we're talking about here, but I also want to address the, they're going to add a wide receiver thing because the Cardinals see what pick they have they have the 16th pick. So if they took someone in the first round, okay, that would be a problem. If they take someone if they take someone in the second round or later history tells me probably not going to be that big of a deal. You know, even looking at say two years ago when you had really good wide receivers picked at this range

Yeah, Jaden Reed late in the second round He had Jonathan mingo early in the second round bad pick but Jaden Reed was she rice Marvin Mims Then we get into round four. We got tank Dell Josh Downs Jalen Hyatt Cedric Tillman, right like a lot of guys who don't really matter But I don't think these guys second round pick wide receivers I think it's they're not really going to come in and hurt a good receiver now if he's not good if her hair is not good that's another problem but I don't think a second round or later wide receiver especially in a weak wide receiver class

is really gonna have any effect it's not just on Harrison but it's just something to think about for every team. Cause every year we do this, Oh, they drafted this guy. It usually doesn't matter if that player like tank Dell, for example, if he's going to have an impact, it's not going to be cause he's hurting Nico Collins. It's going to be just cause he's good. And he lifts the entire offense up.

Pukka Nakua did Pukka Nakua really hurt Cooper Cup? I don't know. That's hard to say. Cup got hurt like right away, right? Or missed the first four games. Yeah, but I'm just saying like, usually a wide receiver drafted in round two or later doesn't really do that much as a rookie. So I don't know unless they take someone

with the 16th overall pick, I don't know that adding a wide receiver is really gonna matter for him. Okay, so let me clarify the point. I'm not saying that they're gonna draft a wide receiver is really going to matter for him. Okay. So let me clarify the point. I'm not saying that they're going to draft a wide receiver who's going to dominate targets and completely change the complexion of the Arizona Cardinals offense. But any addition that's significant and maybe even significant is too strong a word, notable. You know, they drafted Jalen Noll, for example. It's somebody who could put a lid on the type of target volume that we really need to get out of Marvin Harrison because he's not an explosive wide receiver.

At least he wasn't last year. That's what I'm saying. If there's another receiver that's going to command a consistent five to five and a half targets per game and Trey McBride is still doing his thing, I think that's obviously going to hinder the ability of seven and a half targets per game or more for Marvin Harrison Jr. I would think that if they're adding targets per game or more for Marvin Harrison, Jr. I would think that if they're adding a day two or day three wide receiver, it's more of an indication on Michael Wilson and Zay Jones.

Sure. But they need that improvement there. They need to do something to try and get defenses to balance up and not tilt coverage toward Marvin Harrison. I'm pretty sure Marvin Harrison has the most targets of a number two player on a Kyler Murray offense last year. So that's another concern, right? Like you had 147 for McBride, you had 116 for Marvin Harrison.

I don't think we've ever seen two receivers with that, a number two receiver with 116 targets. So for me, it's less about the guy they bring in and more about Trey McBride, right? If McBride is going to continue to be 150 target kind of guy because he had 147 and 16 games, then is there more than 120 left in a best case scenario for Marvin Harrison? I feel like there is. It's hard for me to sit here and say, oh, there's no way Marvin Harrison gets more than 120 targets. But I guess what I'm saying is I don't know that Marvin Harrison can have a breakout season unless Trey McBride takes a step back.

Now breakout versus buses, different conversation. Yeah. But okay. No, he could definitely perform as a- But you're not drafting him in round three or even early round four, hoping for 13 PPR points per game. Right. Which would be an improvement by the way, over what he did last year. He can be a number three, number two, three receiver. He could be like 25 with 120-ish targets. But of course, everyone I draft in that range,

you're hoping has a chance to have a huge season. Again, hope versus what the expectations are. So if you had higher expectations for him, you're drafting him probably in round two, if you think he's gonna have a breakout season. No, why would you do that? But you don't have to draft him round two. I mean, you look at it. in round two if you think he's gonna have a break. No, why would you do that? You don't have to draft him around to me.

You look at it. You have to but but again, you know, going back to some of the players we spoke about yesterday like, you know, there there's a chance for him to make a pretty significant leap. I don't think anybody is looking at him and saying I can't imagine David ranking him wide receiver 40, you know, so it's it the, the hope that he can, you know, sort of live up to the draft pedigree and maybe start to look like maybe not to the same heights, but look like what Brian Thomas and league neighbors look like

last year, which was what we thought Marvin Harrison was going to be. All right. Let's go to Zay Flowers. Someone we've pretty much, uh, have not talked about at all. Uh, love this one. So say Flowers was wide receiver 36 per game in full PPR, number 38 per game in non PPR. And he had 74 catches, 1,059 yards, only four touchdowns on 116 targets in 17 games. By the way, same amount of targets

as Marvin Harrison, I believe. And he had, and Zay Flowers had 1,059 yards and Marvin Harrison had 885 yards, yeah, on the same amount of targets. So that's an interesting thing to keep in mind. Harrison did score four more touchdowns. They were pretty similar in terms of points per game in PPR.

Flowers 12.3, Harrison 11.7. All right, so Zay Flowers, I'm seeing him as wide receiver 26, going 57th overall in NFC ADP since May, since March 15th. Too high. You think that's too high, 26. I hate to say it, but it's too high. There have been pockets of time in his short career

where he's looked like somebody who deserves to be drafted there, if not even a little bit higher. But the bottom line is that we know the Ravens certainly have the capability to run the ball. Their MO near the goal line is run the ball or use the tight end. And now they've added DeAndre Hopkins. That's someone who could steal 3, 4 touchdowns away from everybody on this team. And it hurts that touchdown upside, 4s a flower. So now what kind of volume can he get from week to week? We know that the Ravens offense isn't a high-volume passing offense. It won't be that unless something happens to Derek Henry. I'm hoping that that doesn't happen. 6.8 targets per game last year. Early on in the year, he was doing better than that. He was averaging almost 15 PPR points per game, about 7.5 targets per game, weeks 1 through 9. And then after that,

his, his targets per game didn't go down terribly. It's not like it went down to like 4 or 5. It was around 6. And it was 9.4 PPR points per game from Week 10 all the way through Week 18. Just 3 games all year, where both he and Andrews each had 6 targets. It's almost like when Mark Andrews started to get attention in the red zone, that's when Zay Flowers' numbers really took a step back. And it sounds like Andrews is going to be back. I know Derek Henry is going to be back. I already talked about Hopkins. Lamar Jackson will do his thing. He'll steal a couple of rushing touchdowns. I love the guy, but he's no better than a No. 3 receiver. And honestly, as much as I pooh-poohed Marvin Harrison, I'd rather take the chance on Harrison than I would on Zay Flowers. Jamie, your thoughts on Flowers? Well, I mostly agree. You know, this is going to be another one of these guys. I think we talk about

that his reality is better than his fantasy. You know, he's a very, you know, he's an easy receiver to look at and say, okay, he could be a much more productive guy if he was getting more opportunities. And it's just the nature of this offense. So you want pieces of this offense, you just have to understand that you want them at the right cost. So Lamar Jackson is such a unique talent that he doesn't need a receiver to be 150 target guy, 150 plus target guy. He doesn't need to have a guy that's going to you know a consistent hundred catch guy obviously that would be great but I

don't think that's just the the way that this offense is gonna operate and need to be successful as we saw last year you know so for what for what he offers he's he's a very solid player for their team he's just not gonna be I think a guy that gets you north of 15 fantasy points per game on a consistent basis so he's a great number three receiver. I agree with the range, you know, going after where his ADP is right now. You know, he's closer to wide receiver 30 for me. We typically tend to see him go higher because again, I think people look at the talent and

say, okay, he's Lamar Jackson's quote unquote number one option, but you see what his kind of numbers are. And Davis talked about this a lot in terms of where Lamar Jackson's career has been from his number one receivers. Like, this is kind of like Marquise Brown's best season too, you know, maybe a couple more touchdowns, but it's just, you know, I think the ceiling is probably 14 PPR points, you know, so another point and a half, you know, in that range, it's just not worth drafting as a starter in a two receiver league.

He's a great starter in three receiver leagues, especially if you sort of wait on the position. And by that, I mean, you know, still one of the high end guys, just not a consistent starter. Yeah. So we're talking about Zay Flowers here and you think about it. Oh, he's on the Ravens. They don't throw that much. That is obviously true. They're usually toward the bottom in pass attempts, but they just had a season where they threw for 4,189 yards and 41 touchdowns,

to only four interceptions, by the way. An absolutely unbelievable passing season, 4,189 yards, that's not, I mean, some teams are gonna flirt with, you know, 4,805,000, like the Bengals, whatever, but that's really good. And 41 touchdowns to four interceptions. And still in that environment, say flowers was wide receiver 36 per game. Not even 13 PPR points per game for the second year in a row. He's not a huge factor in the red zone. He did have nine end zone targets. He only caught three of them. So I think obviously for flowers, if you got another season of 116 targets, would you take

that? Because I think you could deal with 74 catches, 1059 yards. You need more than four touchdowns. And maybe he could do better there. but would you take 116 targets? Not where his ADP is. You're going to see some rookie receivers. I'd rather have, again, this is not indicative of the players.

It's just indicative of the situations. Right now I'd rather have Jacoby Myers than Zay Flowers. Oh man. I would get it. Oh, I totally get it. Yeah. Flowers is so good, though. I mean, he is. He's so explosive. He has he's been great in yards per outrun, great in explosive play rate. Again, this is not a fantasy reality comparison. This is who's going to get more opportunities in their respective offenses. Again, just those two players by comparison. But I just think that Ze Flowers is going to be, you hear me say this a lot. I said it about Stephon Diggs, I said it about

DJ Moore. You know, this is one of those guys that just until he maybe changes teams or gets a different quarterback, which I don't think the Ravens want to do, you know, he's been very productive for them. He's a guy that Lamar Jackson leans on. But this is what Lamar Jackson gets from his receivers. He gets what he needs to be productive and successful. And it works. There's a reason why he should have been potentially a three-time MVP.

It's just the nature of this offense. And with different coordinators. So it's what Marquise Brown did with Lamar Jackson. It's what Ze Flowers is doing with Lamar Jackson. And Dave mentioned it. It's Mark Andrews staying. It's a little bit more potentially from Isaiah Likely.

It's now DeAndre Hopkins being there. It's still Rashad Bateman being there. So this is a multifaceted team that is going to kill you in a variety of ways. And the number one receiver is maybe going to cap out at 125 targets, you know? And so if, if like you said, Adam, you get the same numbers and eight touchdowns, then he was probably a bargain. But if he doesn't five touchdowns in 2023, four touchdowns in 2024, maybe six in 2025.

Like that's just a good number three receiver. It's nothing wrong with this. Just put in, put your expectations to check. And the Ravens love them because think about what he does for their offense. I know. I mean, he's awesome. It is very hard to stack the box against Baltimore when you've got a guy with that kind of speed running around all

over the place. All right. Let's get a couple of quarterback bus here. We got Jordan love and Kyler Murray, a gamer. Gamer Eric agrees with Jamie about Myers over Flowers. That's Dan's. I have a Twitter poll up now. I just put it up.

Who'd rather have in PPR Myers or Flowers pretty close. You'd be surprised if Myers won. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, it's an argument that makes a lot of sense. Right now it's 53% Myers, 47 for Flowers, only 19 votes. Okay, Jordan Love and Kyler Murray are bus for you, Dave. I reserve the right to change my mind on both of these guys without question.

The draft hasn't happened yet. So obviously if either or both of these teams make additions to their receiving core that are significant, then I think that that matters a lot. But I feel like we're at a point now in fantasy where, when we talk about the quarterbacks that we're taking in round 9+, these guys fit that bill. And there are so many other quarterbacks that I believe have more upside than both of them. And I was a Jordan Love guy last year, definitely thought that he would have a big year. And I wonder if injuries kind of waylaid him a little bit, the fact that he couldn't, like, it felt like he didn't have his receiving corps at full strength all season long, that there were moments where he had them, but one guy would get

hurt, another guy would leave the team for a week, etc., etc. I just, I'm a little bit worried about Jordan Love ever going back to where he was two seasons ago. And so names like Dak and even Justin Fields, Brock Purdy, Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, like those guys are all going to go ahead of Jordan Love for me. So I don't really view him as somebody that's even like a priority in that late-round dart throw range. You can make the case that Kyler could be if the Cardinals do improve their offense overall. They haven't done it yet. He's been under 22 fantasy points per game each of the last 3 seasons. And it just, it makes me nervous that he's never going to hit the upside that we saw from him once upon a time, even though he will run. He's great at scoring touchdowns in the red zone. He's got McBride. He's got Harrison. I just worry a little bit about just how much upside he has, especially after a year when

we all bought in or most of us bought in to the upside that he had and he didn't quite deliver to expectations. I think we can find 12 plus quarterbacks that can be better than Kyler Murray again. Yeah. I think with Murray, he was QB 12 last year per game with kind of a bad year. So that's encouraging because he ran for 572 yards and five touchdowns. And I believe each of the previous two seasons,

I'm sure you are not Azerstading his points per game, but I mean, I feel like you should because at least in one year he tore his ACL like super quick. I think that was just 2022 not 2023 but right so like you got to take that game out I think he was doing pretty well like yeah he played three snaps in one game so what was his his pace in 2022 before he tore his ACL it was 4,000 yards 24, 12 interceptions, plus another 706 rushing yards and five touchdowns. That's a starter, right? That's absolutely a fantasy. Hasn't been that guy since tearing the ACL. That's true, but you don't really expect it the first year back, right?

And it wasn't that way the second year back. Right. Yeah. So what happened last year? You know, I mean, that's really the question here. What happened in a game? He wasn't that bad. He was QB 12 per game. He averaged a little under 20 fantasy points per game. It's not that good. But for him, bad year for him to be QB 12 per game and six points. Forget about it. Four points even better. Six points for passing touchdown league. I could still get on board with Kyler Murray and I don't need them to upgrade their offense at all. Trey McBride and Marvin Harrison should be enough for him. He's, you know, he had Hopkins obviously at his best, but this should be enough for Kyler Murray. Anybody who runs, anybody who can run for 570 yards,

this is enough offensive weaponry for him. I agree with you. I think again, it comes down to where you're drafting him. You know, so if you're going back to where he was a year ago with the expectation of, okay, he can get back to north of 700 yards rushing or in that range and be a 30 plus touchdown guy, then you're probably reaching for him. But I think he's going to be in that group of quarterbacks. A couple of guys we talked about yesterday, Caleb Williams and Bo Nix, I think will be sort of drafted around that, you know sort of group

with two Brock Purdy, you know those type of guys and and you can easily make the case he has more upside than all of them And you can make the case that you know, the younger guys are probably in a better spot if they hit You know Nick showed you that last year and got a player upgrade with Evan Ingram. So it's just, again, a matter of, I think, where you're looking at him. I don't think anybody's drafting Jordan Love as a starter this year. So to me, it feels like he's one of those number two quarterbacks that you actually target because if he comes back to the level anywhere close of what he finished in 2023, like that's a steal. So, you know, where people I think are looking at Jordan love, um, you know,

the value will probably be fine. Uh, but for me with Kyler, he's, he's right around, I think either QB 11 or QB 12, um, there's just still too much upside to ignore to not look at him and say, okay, low end starter, he's still in that range. Dave, I think if there's an argument against Kyler, because I'm just looking at his stat page and looking at his 2024 compared to his best seasons, one thing that really jumps out is his touchdown rate around closer to 5% in 2020 and 2021 and then 3.9% last year. So if he can get to like 25 touchdown passes instead of 2021 like he had last year,

okay, we start there. But one thing that would concern me is that he did rush fewer times last year. 4.6 rushes per game was a career low. He had a- Did you see what Brian Schottenheimer said? No. So they have somebody on their staff,

or I don't know exactly who he was referencing, but somebody who was with the Cardinals and it kind of made some waves Tuesday that he said that Kyler told whoever this coach was that there were games where he didn't want to run. Is that right? Yeah, I'll see if I get the quote. Brian Schoenheimer said that? In his meeting with him, somebody asked him about a coach that's on his staff and he was

talking about, you know, maybe Dak being more mobile and he said something, I'll get the exact thing. Well, I was gonna say, Davis, he had a career low in rush attempts per game, he had a career high in yards per carry. So if he's gonna rush less and he doesn't back it up with that efficiency, well, then you go from 575 yards to maybe 475 yards and that is a big deal.

So I don't think I really look at him as like a massive upside guy. He at times, Kyler Murray was the best quarterback in fantasy for stretches when he was just heaving it to Deandre Hopkins and running all over the place. Those days might be done, but yeah, that's, yeah, there you go, that's all I have to say, period. All right, you know, I think we should

talk about Jamie's after this commercial break. Go. Oh, a Schaefer acing the test. Very good. Very good. Well timed commercial break. All right. So the reason though, here's what he said. He was referencing Clayton Adams, who was with the Cardinals last year. Sure. Yeah. And Schottenheimer said, Murray never wanted to run the ball. Here's the full quote. When he was the starter, he'd say, I don't want to, I'm not in the mood to run this week. Cool. Wow. Now is that is that still getting healthy from the knee? I mean, look, we we know he can be I don't't know moody is the right word, but he certainly has shown some body language issues that people have commented on when things are going bad in Arizona.

Who knows? I mean look, sometimes these guys as they age, especially after they suffer a significant injury, they don't want to put themselves at risk. It's just a little, I mean he's saying this second hand. The fact that he's saying it in a media session is a little bit, you know, eyebrow raising that he would bring that up. But in any event, it again, it made some some waves when he said it in his in the Cowboys quarterback saying this about the Cardinals starting quarterback, Cowboys coach

saying about this Cardinals starting quarterback is a little bit Yeah, that is weird. By the way, comment in the chat again from Eric. I'm with Adam Kyler isn't someone I'll pick up again. I hope that that's not the message I conveyed. That is not what I was trying to say. I in fact will pick him up. I like the fact that he's somewhere around QB 12 and ADP.

I hope he falls a little further. I don't like last year, I mean, we were talking, we were wrong about him. Last year we were talking about him as one of the best quarterback values. Maybe he was like QB eight or something, kind of like a seventh round pick or something, you know, something like that. Now you're getting a discount on that. I would pick him up. I wouldn't draft him where I used to draft him, but I would draft Kyler Murray. So I was confusing. Yeah.

To tie in the young quarterbacks, like this is a perfect pairing for me, you know, so if I can get Caleb Williams and Kyler Murray, I'm thrilled with that. All right, let's go to Jamie's bus. And I didn't spend, I didn't budget a lot of time on this Jamie, because we talked about this on the players to avoid like the do not draft list episode. Yeah, the list I gave you was a story that I wrote about a month ago, pre-free agency. So it was probably around the time that we did this.

And these are the list of guys that gave you. Right, it was Saquon Barkley and then it was a bunch of old guys. Barkley's a little old. James Connor, Aaron Jones, Mike Evans, Debo Samuel, Cooper Cup, Travis Kelsey. So Barkley I know this comes up a lot right? Where is he in your overall rankings? I believe he is seventh. I will not be getting Saquon Barkley. You're cool with that because you do a lot of leagues and my recommendation is to not have zero leagues with Saquon Barkley.

Well, I think, you know, I said this on a recent episode. I will always try and draft almost every player. Right. And I never for the most, especially the high end players, I rarely come out of the 25 leagues that I do without some shares of almost every, and this is, you know, Hey, this guy's a bust. I still take a chance on him. I obviously try to do it at, at value.

But sure, you know, so the way I have it right now, I have him as RB three and behind chase Jefferson and CD lamb for sure. So maybe he's six overall. Yeah. And the running backs at the top, I mean, they all have question marks. Bijan's got Algier and not if you listen to remorse. What it was, give me those quotes. So I asked him, you know, what, what changed when he went from, you know, more of a committee to the featured guy. And I said, did you, did you think he could just handle at that point?

And he goes, I don't know what Bijon can't handle right now. And so I didn't want to ask the question because I honestly got a little sheepish to say this phrase in March, but do you consider him an MVP candidate based on what Saquon Barkley just did? And you don't want to say that with a running back. You certainly don't want to put those expectations

on somebody. But he has that type of upside. He could be a 2200, 2300 total yard guy. He could challenge to lead the NFL in rushing yards. He's at the apex of his age to have the breakout season that we're all putting on him. And maybe again, similar to Marvin Harrison, we had too high expectations for him as a rookie. But he fulfilled it in the second half of last season as we talked about and so to

me he's RB one you can make a case he's you know player one and I just think like his ascension is going to pass Barkley for example Jameer Gibbs is a little tougher sell because of the timeshare that he's in but in the system, even with the change behind that offensive line, and again, they lost somebody, I still think that there's a potential for him to showcase what he did as David Montgomery is getting to that point where maybe you have to worry about age. I'm not looking at Barkley as a player that's going to replicate what he did last year. And I'm concerned about the fall off. The workload is terrifying and the history of 2000 yards rushers, small sample

size, he's the ninth to do it. It's just not good. So I still, again, I'm not saying don't draft Saquon Barkley in round one. Dan told you on a previous show that's still his RB one. It's going to be a lot of people's RB ones. Again, you look at it and you say offensive line's great. He just showed you what he can do when he's healthy in a great system. I get it. But I'm just a little bit concerned that we're going to have 1500 total yard season for Saquon Barkley. And the reception total is scary with Jalen Hurts because it's just not something that he does with his running backs. And so, you know, if you're getting even the same receiving numbers, fine. It's just not RB one for me.

I think Bijon could be a 60 plus catch guy. Uh, and I just want to say this though, cause you know, you talked about. Well, you know, he became the workhorse. I talked about, I mentioned these numbers last time we had this discussion about Bijon being RB one, he actually. Didn't really become that workhorse. It was the last 12 games, it was the number one running back per game,

Bijan Robinson. And he was on pace for 336 carries, which is awesome. But they became extremely run heavy. They were fourth in run rate. Tyler Algier still was on pace for 104 carries there. No, 147 carries, he had 104. So he had 69 and a half percent of the running back carries in the first five games of the season when Bijon was a huge bust running back 24 per

game, he had 67% of the carries. So they didn't change the split. They just ran the ball over and over and over and over and over again. I don't know if they're going to do that. I think they'll probably change the split more. I think it'll be more Bijon heavy than Algier, but that's just a total guess. But that's just- That's the way it sounded from Morris.

Yeah, I mean, but you don't, I mean, we don't really care about that, right? I mean, these guys say so many things. I don't care that Aaron Glenn is talking up three running backs. They always do that. They talk up all the guys on their roster. You know what I mean?

They're not going to use Isaiah Davis. I mean, if they do, it's going to be so sparing. No, I think a fair comp like we talked about yesterday was the Tampa Bay situation. Like Isaiah Davis would be Sean Tucker. It'll be a guy that works in and that there's an injury. But in the case of Aaron Glenn, it was, where's Breece Hall at? And he said, we have three running backs that we like. It wasn't just the typical coach answer of, yeah, we're expecting Breeze Hall to come back and be a superstar. He could have said it that way without necessarily bringing in the other two guys.

Again, I asked Andy Reid about Elijah Mitchell. He didn't bring up Isaiah Pacheco. I asked a follow-up question about Isaiah Pacheco. He talked just about Elijah Mitchell. And Pacheco, when I asked him about that, it's not like he said, we're going to share the load with Kareem Hunt and Mitchell, you know, it was specific to that answer. So, you know, you got to sort of read between the lines with these situations. Again, you know, I can't sit here and replicate for Morris's enthusiasm about B. John Robinson. After I was done asking my question, I went to who was the table next to him.

Oh, I was listening a little bit to Kevin O'Connell to try and make sure Thomas was happy. And Morris was still right there. I heard somebody else ask a Bijon question. And again, like he just lit up the room. Like you hear guys that are just excited to talk about other players, about their players, and you could tell the difference.

And you can tell the difference between And you could tell the difference between Aaron Glenn's answer about Breezal and Raheem Morris' answer about B. John Robinson. Like it's just hard to explain. No, I get it. I get it. You did a good job explaining it. Dave.

It's like when somebody asks me about who I work with. And I go, yeah, man, Jamie's awesome. And Heath was his projections are great. And Adam's great too. But I say it more like Adam's great too. But we have a lot of great hosts. We have a lot of guys who can step in, you know, we have three hosts, but Adam's great.

Dave, let's just finish here because then we'll get to the questions. Jamie put in this column from over a month ago, James Connor, Aaron Jones, Mike Evans, Debo Samuel, Cooper Cup, and Travis Kelsey. James Connor, Aaron Jones, Mike Evans, Debo Samuel, Cooper Kupp and Travis Kelsey. James Connor, Aaron Jones, Mike Evans, Debo Samuel, Cooper Kupp and Travis Kelsey. Do you disagree with any of these bus calls?

Yeah, I'm not ready to bet against Mike Evans. If the argument is, well, he's old and look how old he is, he's old. I can't go against that. Like I understand that there are some volume issues with him and you're hoping that he maintains high touchdown potential. I think he can, I still think he can, he can play at a good level. I wouldn't expect him to finish.

Where'd he finish last year? I'm, I know he averaged over 17 PR points per year. I don't think he can do that. Ace and half PPR. Yeah. Per game. Per game. Yeah.

Yeah. I get it. Um, and he had 7.9 targets per game last year. I'm sure a lot of that had to do with not playing with Chris Godwin for more than half the year, but I still think he's a good number two receiver. That one comes down to cost. Wouldn't draft him as a top 10 receiver. I am sorry, Dave. I made a mistake.

You did? I have. And after I told everybody how cool it was to work with you. I had my 2024 wide receiver preview document open. Oh, he finished 11th in 2025 also. And he finished sixth and non PPR. I don't know about half PPR. See, if you had checked that before you said anything, you wouldn't have had to say anything and you would have been like, oh, okay, cool. I got it right. First six games of the year with Chris Godwin, Mike Evans was wide receiver, 23 per game and 13.6.

And I imagine that that's what Jamie's banking on is that he won't be a 15 PPR point per game guy, like he has been pretty much every year of his career. So I, I, I don't, I think, I think if you expect around 15 PPR points, you'll be okay and that's fine as a number two wide receiver, he shouldn't, I think, I think if you expect around 15 PPR points, you'll be OK. And that's fine as a No. 2 wide receiver. He shouldn't be a Top 15 receiver. But I think he's still a Top 20 wide receiver. So I'm OK with him. And I'm OK with James Connor too, as long as the cost is right. Because like Mike Evans, when he's been on the field, he's gotten the job done. He's, he's been a great touchdown scorer. Maybe he's one of the reasons why Kyler Murray hasn't been able to get back to that high level that we've come, that we once loved about him. He's a decent option in

the passing game. That kind of comes and goes a little bit, but he still gets a lot of work. And I know he's 30 now, but he's still in a position to get some good numbers. He's the type of running back that I don't mind drafting toward the end of the RB2 range. And a lot of other people get squeamish about Connor, because the age and everything else, and in fact, he can't say healthy. I won't mind. I'll take him. If I've, if I've taken, let's call it 3 wide receivers and 1 running back, and we're in round 5, and I really want to get a running back in Connors there, he'll absolutely be a strong consideration at that point. I will just, I'm going to give a bust. For me, looking at ADP, it is Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield is being drafted in the top 50. He is quarterback seven. And just being clear, this is a one QB. Yeah. Or Matt

that we're talking about. What I struggle with with Baker is the way he finished the 2023 season. He averaged more than 26 points per game in 2023 down the stretch in his last five games, I think. And then then came back and he's in the postseason, he scored 33 points against Philadelphia, 29 and a half at Detroit. So last seven games of 2023, including the playoffs, he averaged 24.9 fantasy points per game.

I feel like that number's even higher because there was one game. Oh yeah, oh yeah, he had one horrible game, 6.2 fantasy points at Carolina. But in seven of the eight games, six of the last seven games, he was great. And then he comes out, Baker Mayfield, and he's a top four quarterback, fourth in four point, third in six point for passing touchdown leagues.

You're really making the case against him. Yeah. So no, that's why I'm hesitant, but here's why I'm not taking. First of all, his ADP is pretty high, right? QB7. Overall, yeah. I don't mind him QB7, but overall, yeah. Right. But QB7, right. Yeah. I'm not taking him first of all, his ADP is pretty high, right? QB7. Overall, yeah. I don't mind him QB7, but overall, yeah. Right, but QB7, right. Yeah, I'm not taking his top 50 pick.

He, look, we talked about some things with Drake May and with Caleb Williams yesterday, and I said Baker Mayfield shows up on both these lists. High interception rate, very high interception rate, high sac rate. He also fumbled 14 times last year and he lost two of them. He is too mistake prone. Additionally, he averaged like 6.3 yards per carry last year. He had an absolutely bonkers rushing year, 378 rushing yards and three touchdowns. He practically doubled his rushing production more than that from the previous year. So that's going to be less. Plus, Chris Godwin is coming off a dislocated ankle and Mike Evans is 32 years old, which is often a bad year for wide receivers. So Mayfield to me just felt like everything was way too good to be true last year. He played very well, but I think was

pretty lucky. He's not his third offensive coordinator in three years. I know it's in house, but it's not a great thing. I will not be drafting a lot of Baker Mayfield. I will not be drafting any of him if he's a top 50 pick. I would consider him maybe 70 or later. Right. So I'm with you on cost. The exercise that we're all going to have to go through over the next three to four months is which quarterbacks would you happily take ahead of Baker? It's less that and more, I just would rather wait several rounds and take these guys who I think could also be really good.

You know, it's I don't think he's ranked inappropriately, but I'm just not going to draft Baker Mayfield that cost and I do see some downside. I really do. Of course. Just he's just too mistake. Just look at his career. I mean, the case against Baker Mayfield is Baker Mayfield. Yeah.

Two things, though, that stand out to me. First off, you say look at his career. I think we, you know, you go back to his healthy days in Cleveland and this looked like a quarterback on the rise, you know, especially what he did as a rookie. And then, you know, the shoulder problems became an issue. I look at two things with with Tampa. First off what he was able to do that stretch before Mike Evans came back when got when they both got hurt in week seven and he was able to still stay afloat as a

20 plus point per game by was hovering right around 20 but it was what he did with his legs what he did with Kate Otten and then that sort of factors into the next part of this to you know sort of counter your Godwin Evans thing. Like they have other guys now. Like, you know, he showed that he could get production from out and I don't think God's gonna be anything when everybody's healthy, but you know, could certainly be a factor. And now Jaylen McMillan, like they have a legitimate third option here, which is kind of why I'm a little concerned about Evans. You know, you guys sort of made the point for me with what he did in the first seven games when Godwin was healthy,

when now you're factoring in a better third receiver who's, you know, hopefully matured to the point where they can lean on him a little bit more. And Todd Bowles did speak about that. So I think there's options in the passing game. He's proven what kind of a player he's been in in this with this franchise. And so, you know, Dave, they've said it best, you know, once you get past the top five quarterbacks, it's, I think, really all craps you. That right. So why am I going to pay up for QB? So that's the that's the thing with Baker. So I agree with you on on the cost. Like, if you're telling me I have to draft the sixth or seventh quarterback in the top 50, I'd rather wait. It's just it. I think the sliding scale of what the points per game will be will be not enough to

justify reaching for Baker Mayfield or Jared Goff or whoever it's going to be. You know, you can wait out and get Bo Nicks or Tua or Purdy or any of these guys, you know, Kyler Stil and be 21, 22 points per game and be fine. So that's kind of I think where the discussion is, is what you have to pay to get Baker versus what you're getting with the other guys. Of course, that's what all these discussions are. Sure. All right, let me what all these discussions are, sure. All right, let me go through the Apple podcast questions

and the emails, here we go. Owen in a place north of Maine. Greenland. 10 team 1QB PPR dynasty league. Give up Bo Nix and pick 209. Get Matthew Stafford and Ken Walker. I already have Jaden Daniels. So giving up Bo Nix and 209 for Stafford and Ken Walker. I already have Jayden Daniels. So giving up Bo Nix and 209 for Stafford and Walker

in a 1QB league. I like it. You know, you're buying into Walker and you don't need a Bo Nix as a young quarterback. You have that. You definitely don't need Stafford. So I like it. I'm sorry, you don't need Stafford, but it's fine to get him.

From Hogson and Johnson, 1QB, 2Flex, redraft auction format. I drafted Kyler, Bijan, Waddle, Kincaid, Devante Smith, T Higgins, and Olave. I thought I crushed the draft, but then Kyler, Waddle, Kincaid, and Olave were all busts. How do I need to change my draft strategy to keep this from happening again? I mean, you took guys that had a lot of upside and they just didn't materialize. So it's it. But did he, so do you think in retrospect drafting Kyler, Bijan, Waddle, Kincaid,

Devante Smith, T Higgins, Olavi, is there too many, you know, breakout candidates on there? Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It's like, you might want to mix in a little bit more stability and give yourself some higher floor players, not necessarily go all in on upside players. You can easily hit, you know, when you see teams last year that had success with the rookie class, especially the receiving core and a quarterback and a tight end, you know, I mean, you can get away with it at times. But I would probably mix in a little bit more, you know, players that have a higher floor

just to give yourself a little bit better balance. Sure. But at the same time, there are a lot of drafters that have the emotion of, well, if I'm not finishing in first, I don't care where I finish. And they're going to go for as many upside players. I kind of feel like that that's how you draft, Jamie, is that you always want to load up on those high upside players. And then if you whiff then all right, you're probably not going to

make the playoffs or maybe you get in as the sixth seed, you're out in the first round, not a fun experience. But honestly, like, a lot of they got hurt. Waddle was, I think he played hurt for part of last year and just the whole situation coming in the year was something I didn't like. Higgins definitely, you got to be happy with Higgins. Kyler underwhelmed. I don't know. You took some shots on some players that had some huge upside and you missed. That's what happens when you go in on all in on upside.

So the counter to that would be is, and we don't know the answer to this, I assume, is what did he do with the waiver? You know, because I know, obviously, for the way I draft, yes, I'm going to lean more toward upside players. But I also know that I'm going to be very aggressive on the waiver. You know, so you got to be, you know, when, when do you, when do you end? Look, you know, he has some players are, okay, this could be the week for a while. This could be the week for Kincaid. This could be the week for, you know, could be the week for you know, whatever player you're sort of banking on and you know Especially in the case of the team that he drafted. Yes Higgins and Bijan were good There were some no pitfalls there Higgins missed some time Bijan was was obviously, you know a little bit of a slow starter

You know, so when you're behind at that point and you're not cutting Kincaid early You're not cutting, you know a lot of until he suffered the concussion, you know, so It just felt like he hit on all the misses or several of the misses of the breakout group Um, but you gotta know Okay Who am I getting rid of at the back end of my roster to sort of supplement and help me help these help these guys To get me through. All right, let's try here next question. Just real quick if I'm there Shut up adam Uh, I feel like kcaid was one of those guys

that was drafted more on hope than anything else. And maybe that's a mistake that we could avoid moving forward. Well, thank you, Dave. All right, Surge Review says, PPR SuperFlex two receiver, OneFlex shallow 10-man keeper league. Everyone can keep up to three,

but nobody that was drafted in the first last year can be kept. I'm keeping Kyler Murray in the sixth. This is a super flex league. Kyler Murray in the sixth, JSN in the 11th. And then I need to choose one. Justin Herbert or Tyree kill in the third, Sam Laporta in the fifth, Najee Harris in the ninth, or Jameson Williams in the 13th. And he can choose where he drafts from, either fourth or at the swing. Who's he keeping again? He's already keeping Kyler Murray and JSN,

and it's a Superflex league. So, I mean, Herbert or Tyreek Hill in the third, I don't think we're gonna do Laporta in the fifth. Najee in the ninth, Tyreek Hill in the third, I don't think we're going to do Laporta in the fifth. Najee in the ninth, Jamison Williams in the 13th. I'm going Herbert. Yeah, I'm so tempted to take Jamo, but I think because it's a super flex, Herbert's value is too good. At best, he's a round two pick in this format. Are you ready for rapid fire emails? I should say at worst. Rapid fire emails. This one is from, wait, this one is from Eric. I've been doing my rookie draft prep. How much do you listen to evaluation of plays of players from guys like Todd McShay, Mel

Kuyper Jr., non fantasy guys? I mean, I like to listen to Ryan Wilson and Mike Renner, Pete Prisco. Those are guys who I tend to listen to. And how much do I consider them? I consider them notable. Dave, what's on Paramount Plus tonight, Dave? I mean, there's probably Yellowstone and Landman and SpongeBob and Star Trek and Fantasy Football Today episodes from the season.

Everybody likes to go back and watch those. That's probably some soccer match somewhere in Europe. Yeah. I listen to everyone. Absolutely. I mean, of course I'm going to listen to non-fantasy guys, especially these guys are so plugged in with the league, you know, if they have a good idea of their, they're, they're watching these guys year round. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, you know, the thing I love talking to Pete about is he'll go and, Oh, I'm going to look at, uh, I'm going to look at, uh, Jackson dart tape and he'll, yeah, the, this receiver next year is going to be awesome.

You know, he'll, he'll say things like that. Or this, this left tackle in the 2026 class is going to be one of my favorites. You know, he'll say stuff like that. Just, I'm not using Ole Miss per se, but you know, he's watching a certain player and then somebody else stands out to him and, and, you know, he keeps an eye on that guy for two years. All right. Yep. Next question. All the time from Brad, uh, 12 team half PPR keeper league. I have the number one pick. Would you take Ashton Genti over players like AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Breeze Hall, Kyron Williams, Brian Thomas Jr. Half PPR. Would you take Ashton Genti over AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Breeze Hall, Kyron, Brian Thomas

Jr.? The only two that stood out to me were the last two. And so that'll kind of depend on most likely destination for Genti. But Kyron is still I think going to be very valuable and Brian Thomas could be a monster. So depending on where Genti goes, that's the range I'm going to probably haven't ranked anyway, you know, so top 15. And those are two guys that are back end of round one, early round two picks for me. Absolutely. From Jake, Eight Team Dynasty PPR league. I have the first pick in the rookie draft.

Basically, his running backs are Gibbs, Chase Brown, Brian Robinson Jr., Aaron Jones, and Charbonne. His receivers are Nico, Devante, Evans, Worthy, and Pearsall. Would you draft Gentie, or would you try to trade for wide receiver depth? I would want a haul. I would want, or a very, an, an excellent wide receiver. I would probably at worst trade down to three with the expectation of I'm getting your one next year

and probably a receiver who can help me now too. Oh, wow. What might that look like? Would you take, would you take, uh, Devontae Adams and 103 for 101? I think he has Devontae Adams. Okay. I'm, I was just trying to build my way up to. Yeah. I think like if you're, if you're offering an older receiver that is probably not going to help me in long-term.

No, you know, I, I would probably want somebody, you know, that still has the potential to be a top 12 caliber guy. So let's say Garrett Wilson, somebody we spoke about, still has the upside to be I think special. You're giving up potentially generational talent in Genthe. I can still get McMillan or whoever we're're gonna say is the number one receiver You know because Hampton could be too Or another running back could be too. So like I said worst-case scenario. I'm Dropping down the farthest is three unless to your point Adam. You're getting such an unbelievable haul Or Dave said it whatever that you're you know, not even looking back, but I'm not giving up one-on-one.

Would you take Rishi Rice in 103? And next year's one? So 2026, one. No, no, no, no. The 103 this year. No. And Rice, straight up for Genty. No.

Okay. That might get me interested, but I don't know if I'd do that either. Would you take Justin Jefferson? Yes. Yes. Don't yes me. You'd rather say, oh yeah, I'd do that. Would you take Justin Jefferson? Yes. Yes. Don't yes me. You'd rather say, oh yeah,

I'd rather have Jefferson than Gentie. That's close. That's gotta be close. And the next time somebody asks me, what's it like to work with all these guys? I mean, you're like, Jamie's amazing. And he's this, you know, dynasty legend. And Schneier has been awesome at draft coverage.

And Thomas Schaeffer has been a great producer. And that's it. I'm surprised by the way Zay Flowers is crushing in this poll against Jacobi Meyers. I'm surprised by that. I don't, I think Ash and Genty for Justin Jefferson is very fair in a dynasty league. Jefferson's going into what, his fifth year at this point? I, I'm not saying he's old or anything. If we were, so if we were doing a dynasty startup with the rookies, you're considering Gentie, Gentie over Jefferson PPR consider it. Yeah. I consider it. I love Gentie. I wouldn't consider it. And I love them. I think he can be better. I think he might be a better prospect than you guys know. Oh my god. I gotta go. Yeah later. All right

I gotta go to Dave. Yeah, well this dog probably took a boo-boo in the house Alright, we're out of here everybody. Thanks so much for watching. We'll talk to you next week Paramount podcasts