Fantasy Football Today - Early Look at 2024 NFL Draft Class: Stars, Sleepers, and More! (1/30 Fantasy Football Today Dynasty)

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

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It's having the spend to power your scale with no preset spending limit. Redefine possible with Business Platinum. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Terms and conditions apply. Visit Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Visit amex.ca slash businessplatinum. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today. I am your host, Fantasy Football of the Day Dynasty. I am your host, Heath Cummings, here with Aaron St. Dennis. We have a very exciting show for you today. We're taking our first look, our first deep look at the 2024 rookie class, and this is the guy to do it. Aaron produces content

just about, it might be easier to list the places he does not produce content, but Dynasty League Football, Roto Underworld, IDP Guys, Fantasy Football Universe. Aaron, thank you for being here and just tell the people what you've got going on right now that was actually the cliff notes there was a few that were left out but i do a lot of dynasty at dlf my redraft is over at roto underworld player profiler uh we just decided to start up our own website the fantasy football universe uh with a couple of my friends from other sites and i I do IDP at IDP guys. That was kind of by accident.

I ended up finishing second in fantasy pro rankings this year. And I'm not sure because it was my first year of doing IDP rankings. So it worked out well. Well, I saw who produced, who finished one. I do have a follow-up question. How many people are producing IDP rankings? Low thirties. Low thirties.

Okay. So it's more, it's more than two. So that's outstanding. First off, wow. Like Dynasty and Redraft and IDP. And you told me when we were getting ready for the show that you'd done like 20 or 25 rookie profiles already. You are covering the full gamut.

It reminds me when I started in this industry, I started as a baseball analyst and I was covering football and I just felt like I didn't know much about anything. But man, you do an excellent job. Been doing this for a couple of years and really a rising star in the industry. So I am really happy to have you here with me. Sorry, I started with hockey and wrestling and last year I had to give them up. I said, no, I can't do it anymore. I just don't have the time. Hockey and, man, we might just do a whole show about the wrestling at one point,

but that will not be today because on today's show, we are going to take that deep look at the 2024 rookie class or at least a first look. We're going to go over kind of the surefire round one picks. I've got a list, and we'll see if there's anybody else that Aaron thinks I should add to that list. We'll talk about all the quarterbacks who might matter because as we've seen in the past, if you get drafted, there's a chance you end up as a starter and then you matter at least in super flex leagues. We'll talk about some round two picks and if we have some

time, we'll get through some deep sleepers as well. But as always, we want to start with three questions for our guests. Three questions for you, Aaron. Question number one. We're going to talk about a lot of guys today, but who's the one prospect you want to make sure we talk about today? I've been loading up on all of the Texas guys somehow, but mainly Jatavian Sanders, the tight end. As you'll see when we talk about the first rounders, I'm big on not using a first round rookie pick on tight ends. I get there's the generational prospect, Kyle Pitts and whatnot. I would rather have the value of Jadavian Sanders in the mid to late second round

than Bowers at the 105. Everyone's counteracting that with, yeah, but Sam Laporta has a rookie. Well, Sam Laporta wasn't a consensus first rounder. You were getting him in the second. So just give me the second round tight end and let somebody else use the 105 and super flex on Bowers. Yeah, I'm thinking about those first round tight ends. Like obviously Pitts so far has been an enormous disappointment

for where he was drafted because there were some drafts he was the 101. Obviously Dalton Kincaid not performing as well as Sam Laporta last year I still think probably his value has gone up since that draft but marginally I don't remember Trey McBride was probably a second round second mid-second yep right so I mostly agree with you now I do think when we get to the guys who I think are surefire round one picks I think Brock Bowers is going to go in the first round of all rookie drafts, unless something hugely surprising happens in the NFL draft. But I mostly agree with you. I probably won't be the guy taking him. So second question, who is most likely to get overdrafted in rookie drafts? I guess they're connected. It's

Brock Bowers. He's going to go. I've seen him anywhere from 103 to 106 at the latest. And I just prefer, especially in the super flex leagues, give me the quarterbacks, even the ones that aren't the surefire, like Caleb Williams is the easy one, but I'll even take my chances on, you know, Jaden Daniels, Drake may even, you know, the, the wide receivers. I would rather the second tier of wide receivers over Brock Bowers. I just in super flex, give me the quarterbacks, give me the wide receivers. I would rather the second tier of wide receivers over Brock Bowers. I just, in super flex, give me the quarterbacks, give me the wide receivers, dynasty, you know, they have the longer shelf life, higher hit rate. And in the end, they're tougher to acquire.

Bowers, I just, I'm anti first round tight end. That's what it comes down to. Now, the position that you left out of that answer might be the answer to this next question, but we'll see. How would you say the 2024 class differs from the last two, 2022 and 2023? If you need a running back this year, this is not the class for you. So I think as far as I'll go position here, QB, it's very similar. There's two or three potentially elite ones. Obviously Caleb Williams is the class of it. This is maybe the worst running back class we've seen in a few years. I have done multiple mocks where no running backs gone in the first round. Inevitably, one of them might get a good landing spot or a great draft capital and move up into the end of the first round, but most of them are going, the top five

to six are going in a bunch in the second round. The wide receivers, I know everyone says it's a deep class. It feels top heavy to me. There's three or four really elites. And then there's a whole bunch of guys where they seem like when I do the rookie write-up, it says the same thing. Elite speed, not a great route runner, doesn't, you know, not very, there's a lot of great deep threats. And then tight end, the class is, you know, Brock Bowers is going to go in the first, Sanders in the second. That's pretty much it. So nobody else is probably going to matter.

Okay. That's a, that's a, that's a decent, a decent breakdown of kind of where we're at with this class. Let's get into those surefire round one picks because I, I had kind of listed. And again, I I'll make this clear and I've said it on the show, we're going to get deeper and deeper into this class, but Aaron's looked at some of these guys a lot more than I have. And I kind of had a top, I don't know, maybe seven or eight that in a super flex rookie only draft, I felt pretty confident should go in the first round.

Probably, unless something hugely surprising happens, but i've almost ruled out that that happening like based on what we know these guys will be drafted high enough to be drafted in the first round of a super flex rookie draft you mentioned caleb williams drake may jayden daniels that gives you three quarterbacks we've got four position players three wide receivers and a tight end marvin harrison malik neighbors uh brock Bowers and Rome, Rome, Rome, the Dunzey. Yes, there we go. And I like, is there anybody I'm leaving off that list? I think Troy Franklin is the other surefire one where, you know, there's five or six here that depending on how the running back situation shakes out, like I said, they could push them up or down.

But I think Troy Franklin's really the only one where I would say, no matter what, he's going in the first round as well. Now, a follow-up question that I kind of want to get into each of these guys. You mentioned that the running backs are all kind of going in round two. I find it really unlikely that by the time we get to May and we have landing spots that we won't have at least a couple of running backs that end up in round one. Like there's going to be people who take running backs in round one, right? Absolutely. Like I said, the group, I think we discussed this in the show sheet. We had Coram, Braylon Allen, Trey Benson, Jonathan Brooks, and Will Shipley as the top five I even included Bucky Irvin one or two of them like we said are going to get capital or they're going to get a wonderful landing spot they're probably going to sneak into the 110 to 112 range and then the other

three or four are going to be grouped in the middle of the second round so yep it's very likely that you know someone's going to get that great landing spot and we're going to overdraft so now we look at those three quarterbacks at the top. Assuming that what generally happens, Jaden Daniels, the guy we're thinking might be an early first-round pick, ends up... Let's say we go quarterback, quarterback, quarterback

in the NFL draft. We're going quarterback, quarterback, quarterback in the Superflex draft, I think, also unless Marvin Harrison sneaks into that top three, right? I am for sure going quarterback, quarterback with Daniels, Drake May. I don't love as much. Right. Having said that a lot, it seems to be 50, 50, a lot of the leagues I've seen, Marvin Harrison's gone one. Some people just don't care. And like, I know the argument was last year we had Bijan. He was a generational, so everyone took him over the quarterbacks.

And the year before, everyone took Brees Hall as the 101. But the year before, what was the best quarterback? We had Malik Willis, who nobody really cared for. So it was all right there. But last year, if I went back and gave you the option to take the generational Bijan or take C.J. Stroud or Richardson, wouldn't take the generational Bijan or take CJ Stroud or Richardson wouldn't you much rather have CJ Stroud or Richardson right now so I don't think you can take Marvin Harrison 101 it has to be quarterback quarterback like you said well that's what I

wonder is what what if what if we see Jaden Daniels with Ben Johnson does he have any chance of becoming the 101 I don't think so. I love that. I love where you're at with that, but I just think Caleb Williams is as close to can't miss. I think he's, you know, it seems to me like it's a large gap. It's Caleb Williams.

Then a big gap to Daniels in may. Okay. So you have the one-on-one and you have three stud quarterbacks. You were trading down, you're drafting Caleb Williams, or you're in that case, you might be okay with Harrison? No, I'm trading down. Yeah, I can't take Harrison. I have a friend who has the 101, and he's dead set on Marvin Harrison Jr.,

and I say, trade down. He needs running backs. Trade down, get a later first-round pick, and acquire some form of veteran running back, a usable running back that you're not going to get in this draft so yeah okay i want to before we move on to these wide receivers and kind of kind of get into them the the lack of love for drake may what what's your concern and like what do you see as a most likely outcome in terms of it could be stylistically or it could just be value wise. Like where do you think he ends up as an NFL quarterback?

It's tough to say, like, I don't, I'm not down on him. I just think there's a considerable gap between him and Williams. He has some inconsistencies with footwork he needs. He's got, and I'm the Sam Howell guy, but people are going to hate this. It's got some Sam Howell in him and I don't, it's not the helmet scouting. He loves to take chances. He's a gunslinger. So I think unless he reigns it in, he's got a lot of Sam Howell in his outcome here.

Okay, so we've got three wide receivers on this list, and I guess you would add a fourth. Is there a tier break within them? Is there a big gap between Harris and everyone else? Or how would you tier? Let's say the top four. We'll go ahead and include that one more as well. I would say it's not a huge tier between Marvin Harrison Jr. and neighbors, but a slight drop. And then those two are the top tier. And then it's Madunzi and Franklin for me, considerably lower. So if you had that first pick, you'd be okay trading down to three and maybe even four,

depending on where let Daniel's lands. Just want to make sure like if you have the one Oh one and you're trading down, you, I want to make sure I'm getting Marvin Harris and normal league neighbors, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Let me go down a few picks. If I think these quarterbacks are going to fly off the board, which they should let somebody else take Brock Bowers.

Maybe you could even go down a pick later than that. Give me neighbors and, you know, a pick, or if I needed the running back, neighbors and a veteran running back. I could even be convinced if I had to go down as far as a Doonesy and Franklin, I don't mind it. I want to stay with Marvin Harrison for just a second because I think it's, I haven't got to the point yet where I'm sliding these rookies into my actual position rankings or trade charts.

But that's kind of the way that I like to go about valuing the 101 or the 102 or the 103 is first figure out who I think those should be and then figure out where those guys are going to rank within my positional rankings. I think there's three guys I would have a really hard time right now as things stand ranking Harrison over. Obviously, that'd be Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, CeeDee Lamb in some order. Just because we've not seen anything in the NFL from Harrison yet. He's a surefire, can't miss prospect. He's going to be a great wide receiver, but there's a couple of things that we need to see. Is number four too high to rank him? Let's just assume that the most likely thing to me at this very moment seems to be that he's going to be in Arizona with Kyler Murray.

Yeah, I think it's too high. I know there's, then this is why I like to trade down or even if you can, I've even said trade him for a veteran receiver. Like I would rather have, if you'd give me Amon Ross St. Brown straight for Marvin Harrison, I would take it. I I'd rather have if you give me aman ross st brown straight for marvin harrison i would take it i i'd rather that you know what's it the bird in the hand is better than two in the bush give me that one i just there's a handful i don't think i have him in my top six i haven't really gotten that far into it i'd like to see some of the the senior

bowl and the combine and even the draft before i really mix them in with the veterans, but I can't see him being in my top six. I think I think AJ Brown. Yeah. I think we will be probably similar in that then. Like I, I was looking at it and thinking he'd probably be somewhere in the seven to 10 range. I mean, we've got a lot of elite wide receivers and some of them have been rookies the last couple of years and haven't quite shown us the same upside, but yeah, I, I think somewhere in that seven to 10 range neighbors, not that far behind, right. Probably a top 12 dynasty wide receiver. And then we've got kind of a, like a, a dunce is going to be a top 24 type guy. Yeah. She, depending on landing spot, but I i think i think neighbors is a borderline you know

one two for me and then a dunes he is somewhere yeah like you said 20 ish off the top of my head and then i i know right nobody's holding you to this nobody nobody hopefully nobody's doing a rookie draft tomorrow so we just kind of want to get a glance at what these guys obviously brock bowers is an incredible specimen and he's going to be drafted in the first round of rookie drafts i think it's like we might as well compare him to the guy we already referenced you'd rather have him than kyle pitts that's an ugly question why are you gonna go there heath um Do I want Kyle Pitts or Kyle Pitts 2.0? Give me Kyle Pitts 2.0. At least maybe there's the chance that we beat the odds there on Bowers. So yeah, give me Bowers. You mentioned Troy Franklin as the other guy that you would add into this group. So he's

considerably closer to a Doonsley for you than any other wide receiver in this class? Yeah, even him. I think a Doonsley is solidly by but any other wide receiver in this class yeah even him i think a doonesley is solidly by himself and then there's a drop to franklin it seems like that franklin group after that what do we have adenai mitchell brian thomas jr xavier worthy there's a whole bunch of them where they have the same prospect big fast guys great deep ball threats they all say the same thing. Limited route tree, inconsistent routes. They all seem to have the same strong suits and then the same flaws. You talked about the big, fast guys.

We've seen kind of a switch the last three or four years to where size hasn't seemed to matter quite as much. We've got a lot of smaller wide receivers and even a couple of smaller running backs who have come in and made a really big impact in the NFL with this class. Does that trend get reversed a little bit? You think the, the better, better guys are going to be the bigger guys this year? Yeah, this for the most part, I don't think any of the top eight or 10 or they're all big, fast alpha types. I think the highest would be lad mcconkie maybe at

i have i think at 10 and he's more of a new england patriot west welker slot receiver type malik neighbors is only six foot uh 200 pounds but even that's not small that's a that's a giant compared to some of the guys who have come out and turned into stars over the last couple years yeah you have to temper those measurements like i don't know what they're putting down in the water at Mobile, Alabama, but every receiver and every running back has seemed to have shrunk two inches this week come measurements. So it's amazing.

I don't know how it happened. I would love to, we need to do like a 30 for 30 just on that. All right, let's take a short break and then we'll get into the position that, you know, we had this argument, do running backs matter in this class? It sounds like they might not,

but there's a lot of teams that need running backs, and a lot of them are going to be drafting at the end of the first round probably with the way some of these veterans have aged out recently. We'll be right back. Did you know that across Ontario, utility damage happens 19 times a day? That's over 4,222 incidents a year. Don't let your next dig be one that causes costly delays or safety risks. Before you break ground, make it a point to request a locate. It's not just the law,

it's a step to keep your team and community safe. Visit ontarioonecall.ca and avoid unnecessary damages to get the job done right. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. Okay, Aaron. So we've kind of broken down what you would consider the top eight, the guys who are going to go in the first round. We mentioned that there's going to be a couple of running backs in the first round. We just don't know who they're going to be because there's not really an elite prospect. So we've got five running backs here that we kind of put in that top tier.

And you can tell me if you think I'm missing somebody in the top tier or if you think maybe a couple of these guys are a little bit separated but we've got braylon allen from wisconsin trey benson from fsu blake coram from michigan can we just pencil him into the chargers right now but alison eckler replacement for jim harbaugh uh jonathan brooks out of texas and then will shipley out of Clemson. I'm not worried too much about the order that we've got these guys in. But do you think, is this the top five and are they, are they similarly valued for you? I have Bucky Irvin in there. I think they're all similarly valued. I think sadly the best one might've been Trey Benson, but the injury history I think is going to hurt him, but yeah,

they're all similar. And like I said, I have Buckyy irvin in there and we don't see any of these guys until round two how many of these guys do you think go in round two of the nfl draft the nfl draft uh one or two yeah i was having that conversation the other day about how many do we see in day two period. I think maybe we, we see one squeak into round two, maybe one or two more. Like this could be, I don't know what the lowest amount of running backs we've had go in the first two days. We might break that record. Like there might be two or three by day two. And that, that is really interesting because like I said, we've got a lot of running backs who have been top 12, top 20 performers who are either at the end already, or by May, we're going to think they're not producing fantasy points anymore. And so if we also don't have a bunch of high end running backs coming in, I think that's going to leave an opportunity for some day three

running backs to really have big rookie years. Yeah, if I need a running back, trade some of these wide receivers. If you don't need the wide receiver, you don't need the tight end or the quarterback, trade some of these guys for the FOMO. People want that first round pick, trade them for a veteran, not even a veteran, some of the younger ones. You'd be amazed what you can get for Marvin Harrison Jr. You can pretty much get any running back you want for him. And if I need the running back, give me the running back. Cause you're not going to get them in this draft class. There's, there's some scary ones. And like I was saying earlier, you've got five, six, if you include Bucky Irvin, and this is going to come down to, it's not talent. It's whoever gets

the best landing spot in Capitol. That's the one everyone's going to fall in love with. And that's, who's going to go in the first round, but it doesn't mean he's the best. Like you said, if Blake Corum follows Harbaugh to the chargers, he's going to go in the first round. Doesn't necessarily mean he's going to pay off.

So it's really scary. So you mentioned Benson as, you know, maybe the most talented, but the injury concerns are probably going to knock his draft capital down. Who, who would you bet on being the first running back drafted? Braylon Allen. That's a tough one. It depends on how gutsy the Chargers get here. Braylon Allen,

I think either one, Allen or Corum goes at the end of the second round somewhere. Yeah. And I made the joke about Corham, obviously, because he played for the current Chargers head coach. And I would not expect, like I said, Austin Eckler replacement, but I wouldn't expect in this new offense that throwing to the running back is going to be a huge part of it. I think it's going to be Justin Herbert throwing down field more. I think they're going to be looking for a guy that can pound it, probably two guys that can pound it, a veteran and a rookie. I wouldn't expect Eckler back in that situation. But speaking of pass catchers, we know that's the easiest,

the fastest way to fantasy value for a running back. And maybe the only thing that matters amongst running backs. Who is the best pass catcher in this class? Well, actually, I have to go back to that Chargers point. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Harbaugh not bring the OC from Michigan with him? Yes. Okay. So if anyone would know how to use Blake Corum, it wouldn't be them. I don't think they're great at using him. He's not a great pass catcher. I don't think he profiles as a goal

linebacker. That's what they turned him into. For me, the best all around back in the best pass catcher here. I want Jonathan Brooks out of Texas. I said earlier, I love this Texas draft class and I'm going to have drafts where I am. My first, second and third pick are all Texas players. So I like Jonathan Brooks as an all-around pass catcher. Now, when you talk about him as an all-around pass catcher, is that, do you think he slots into that airback role or is he somebody who can be a great pass catcher

and also still tote the rock 15 times a game in the NFL? I think he's, uh, he's got a lot of similarities to Roshan Johnson for me. I think he's a great runner and he's going to be on the field because he's also a really good pass catcher. Like he's not the elite, he's not the Bijan level pass catcher, but I don't think any of the guys in this class were the elite. They're all kind of, you know, average to slightly above average pass catchers. He, I think is the closest to a natural pass catcher. It is really, it does kind of work out well, at least for the guys at the very end. Cause that kind of what we talk about on this show a lot is don't draft a running back. If you're not a contender, like if you're making a bunch of rookie picks and you're not contending this

year, let's just draft wide receivers and quarterbacks and maybe the tight end in round two. And so I, I think you see it from what it sounds like in rookie drafts, we may have two or three running backs that slide into the end of the first round, but they're really,

then we should have another dry spot, right? Like these teams that are picking at the top of the first round, but they're really, then we should have another dry spot, right? Like these teams that are picking at the top of the second round, we kind of don't like these running backs enough to take them if they don't get a great landing spot. And there's another wave of wide receivers right behind them that are probably better anyway. Yeah. For me, like the first rounds I've seen, I've had four quarterbacks and seven receivers going. And then the first running back has been the 201. So if you assume one or two of them get pushed up to the 111, 112, you could conceivably not see the second run of four or five go until the 205, 206, 207.

It's a really odd draft class for running backs. I guess the nice thing is if you are in that situation where you've been a contender and your running backs are really in a garbage situation, I talk about this all the time because it's me. I have a team that lost the championship last year and I've got Brees Hall and Khalil Herbert and basically nothing else at running back on that team. I don't know how I made it to the championship, but yeah, I mean, you might get two or three cracks at drafting a top six running back from this class just because there's not a lot of guys that are going to get excited to get excited about. Let's talk about the, um, the next round of wide receivers.

So I, I had Troy Franklin in this group. You would not, but who, who would kind of the wide receivers, if somebody is going to double up at wide receiver and they got one of the elite guys early, who are the early second round wide receivers for you? My co-host on my show calls him Troy Flanklin too. I don't know something about his name. It comes out as Flanklin every time. Flanklin. It's Troy Flanklin. That's pretty much the exact group I have here. I like Adonay Mitchell. I also added in, sorry, do you have, oh, you do have Brian Thomas up there. That's pretty much who I have. The one I've seen who's been falling. And I don't know why this seems to be just the personal preference group. Keon Coleman

has been the one falling to the middle or late second round in all of them. And I'm not sure why it's a pretty balanced group, but Adonay Mitchell is the guy for me. 6'4", 196 allegedly. I know he's a little slower than this group, but the rest of them seem like they're primarily going to be deep threat speed guys here, the one-trick pony type. I think he has the best all-around skill set, although like all of them, his route tree is a little limited and he has some deficiencies in it and needs to work on it.

But I just think he has the most all-around talent. So if these five guys are – not five because you take Troy Franklin, but, man, it does just come out that way, doesn't it? So if Mitchell's gone, you're okay trading back a couple of spots because you don't see a huge difference between Coleman, Thomas, and Worthy. Is that right? Absolutely. This is going to be one of those times where I'll trade back a few picks a lot in this draft to acquire extra capital. Because to go back to our running back point,

if you need a running back, this may be the draft to trade back for a similar tier, get later picks, and just stockpile those late running backs and hope that you hit on the Kyron Williams because I don't think the second round running backs are any more likely to hit than whoever emerges in training cat training camp out of you know the later running backs do you feel like like we're looking here kind of what is the top of the second

round but also those those running backs with three or four of those running backs we just looked at will be there in the second round I think Sanders the tight end you brought up earlier he's probably going to be available there in the second round how I think Sanders, the tight end you brought up earlier, he's probably going to be available there in the second round. How do you feel about this second round compared to usual? Are you trying to actively acquire second round picks right now because you want to get several of these guys, or are you more willing to deal your second round pick for a veteran starter? If I have a second round pick and I need a tight end, I love Sanders here. It all depends for me on what happens here in in the draft if the running backs get pushed up i don't mind having some extra seconds because i'll scoop up the receivers that fall um i don't really love the

the this second round in general like i know we said it was a loaded draft class i don't really feel that way last year i noticed there was a big off. I think we would all agree around the 110 in rookie drafts. It's very similar here. Like it's loaded to 106. Then we have the second tier of receivers that take you to about 19, 110. Then it gets dicey with, you know, the third tier of quarterback, the first tier of running back. It's kind of, it's really scary. I think this is going to be a good draft to have the late, late picks, not necessarily the second rounders, but turn the second rounders into a lower pick in the second and a late third rounder, like I said, to load up and try and find the Puka Nakua or the Kyron Williams here. Cause I think once you get

past the one 10, there aren't really many standouts. And you see running back, wide receiver, there's just large groups of guys clustered together, all with very similar profiles. I think that's going to be one of the more fascinating things. I don't know if you've seen anything that kind of points towards this yet, but you mentioned the names, Pukanukua and Tank Dell. We said there was a big drop-off after 110, and it turns out that there was a big drop-off because there were two guys going in the third round that were better than anybody that was going to go 111 or 112. I wonder if those hits are going to cause people to value these mid-round rookie picks a little bit more,

thinking, this sleeper that I like could be Puka Nakua or Tank Dill. Absolutely. The FOMO will set in and everyone will be an NFL scout. And they say, I know the next Puka Nakua. All those guys you see on the receipts afterwards, I knew Puka Nakua. I called this during the draft. I knew he was going to be awesome.

Well, most of you didn't. So that's going to be the case though. You're going to see the third round pick. You're going to see a lot of trading down. The second rounders are going to turn into later and people are just going to be stockpiling. So everyone's going to have their five Puka Nukuas. Yeah. Well, and I, and I think also like that might be a good way to try for contenders to acquire low end veteran starters, running backs that are over 28 wide receivers on the wrong side of 30. Like take this, this late second or this early. Remember, remember what was found here last year? Yeah.

You know what you can get with a second or third round pick. I will say you mentioned like there weren't that many people right about Puka Nakua. We had on this show last April, last May, Puka's name was mentioned several times. And it wasn't me, but Tangdell was mentioned by me a lot. And I think Jacob Gibbs as well. We'll go back. We may go back through there and just so we can give all the flowers to

everybody who deserves it. But I'm going to give you a chance in about 15 minutes or so to kind of call your shot. And we're going to be saying a chance in about 15 minutes or so to kind of call your shot. And we're going to be saying next year, remember in January when Aaron came on FFT Dynasty and said this guy was his favorite sleeper. And that guy is going to be a league winner in 2024. How does that sound? Perfect. Sounds great.

Let's take just one more quick break here. And then I want to get into the other quarterbacks. We talked about the top three, but we have seen over the last few years some later round quarterbacks that did turn into valuable assets in super flex leagues. Let's talk about the other guys. Okay, Aaron. So we've talked about the top three quarterbacks. My first question is just what other quarterbacks do you think actually get a chance to start in the NFL? You're going to blame me and accuse me of Homerism here, but my QB3 is actually

JJ McCarthy, but I'm a Michigan guy. So he is ahead of Drake May. Yes, for me. Do you think that JJ McCarthy is going to be a first round pick? You know what? I've looked on some of the mock drafts. There's mock drafts everywhere in the consensus mocks have him going anywhere you know 12 13 14 to broncos raiders seahawks that's insane like i love jj and he is my my qb3 in this draft class i think if he goes to one of those two or one of those three teams it should be in the second round, not the first round. That's insane. A first round draft, that turns him into a first round super flex pick?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yes, it does. If he goes any of those 12, 13, top 15, absolutely. I won't love it, and I won't have any shares of him at that cost because he's going to move into the top six at that point, I think. That would be it. So you have Will Levis. McCarthy has made a first-round selection, and you're on the clock.

Somebody says, I'll give you Levis for this pick. I don't want Will Levis, so I can do pretty much anything for will levis and i'll take it but yeah okay so so you neither one of these guys you don't think like i asked who's going to get a chance to start in the nfl and mccarthy is actually somebody who you think is going to get a chance but you're not super excited about him turning into a top 20 fantasy quarterback or anything you know where i'd like to see him i I think he needs to sit a year, kind of, or even two maybe, get the Jordan Love treatment because he's still a relatively young prospect.

I think if he goes in the first round, the Rams would be a great spot. I think he could sit while the Rams milk what's left of Matthew Stafford. He's a great quarterback to learn behind. How many quarterbacks have been in the league longer than Stafford? I think that's a great spot. I think he could develop there and he could really have potential it might be the

jordan love three-year plan now well that would the nice thing about it is for you as the homer is you could still get him and not have to spend a first round pick on him because if he goes somewhere where he's obviously not playing this year then i don't think we're seeing him around one speaking of quarterbacks in round one toronto d Dave in the chat says Bo Nix might go round one. I have seen mocks that show Bo Nix going in round one. Man, he's been around forever. Yeah, he was my next one. He was next on my list. He probably gets a chance to start in the NFL, right? Probably more likely a second round pick. Yeah, he feels like Stetson Bennett, Max Duggan last year. Like you said, he's been around forever. I don't know if the ceiling's there.

I feel like he's going to be drafted. I don't know if he ever sees the field in the NFL. Are there any other quarterbacks who you think actually do see the field in the NFL? No, not really. There's an outside chance. I know I'm not in on Spencer Rattler. Michael Penix has some intriguing qualities to to his game there's a very large left hand yeah great extremely large hands yeah they're huge i seen them measured yesterday

you know they're big when that's the headline on the article but uh the only one i see outside of him joe milton i think we'll get a chance the nfl loves the monster cannon arm quarterbacking what is he i'm 65235 and he's got an absolute rocket launcher for an arm i don't know if he does anything else but he can throw a real far these guys are all round three at earliest picks even in super flex unless they get round one capital right uh no i've seen've seen JJ and Bo Nix go in the early to mid-second, Penix in the late second or third. So I think you're going to see some of them sprinkle in mid to late second round, depending on draft capital.

Like I said, one of them, if Bo Nix or JJ gets first round NFL capital, they're going to sneak into the first round of Superflex. Jeremy says no love for Rattler. What's wrong with Spencer Rattler? That's my co-host. Get out of here, Jeremy. Who's this Franklin? Okay, so we've talked about the top two tight ends in this draft.

Are there any other tight ends who matter? Short answer, no. Can you pretend for a second? Sorry. Can you pretend for a second can you pretend for a second um i like aj barner but that's probably because he's a michigan guy and he's big and athletic but the problem is i don't know if he's that great of a receiver um i don't even have any really on my sheet there's there's two of them for me and i have no interest in anyone else um yeah sorry not much help here it's two for me that's it that's okay that kind of leads us into your your moment to

shine it was um and then we're gonna we're gonna i didn't even tell you we're gonna do this but we're gonna do a first round uh rookie mock here maybe one for super flex and one for non if we have the time but uh let's, let's just go with, with the final question. Who is the deep sleeper that we've not talked about? It's going to be drafted round three or later in rookie drafts. That's going to make you look like a genius. The next time we talk, I like lad McConkie out of Georgia. I mentioned him earlier. He's a smaller guy and I cannot describe this guy without saying Patriots slot receiver. Okay. Listen, you're, you're stepping on,

you said this twice. Now you're stepping on some toes because this is a pop Douglas show. They've got their small Patriots wide receiver. I know he doesn't completely fit the mold, but he does. He he's there. So he can be, go be somebody else's small, small wide receiver. But tell me about this guy. They're just Patriots type. He doesn't need to go to the Patriots. He's just Wes Welker, Julian. That's him right there.

That's his type. 5'11", 187. He's only 4'5", 9". So he's not fast. He's not big. But he's a great technician, great route runner, physical slot receiver. He's smart, shifty, explosive, and agile. And what could help him, because he probably won't get the draft capital,

he's good in special teams. So he's going to find a way to stay in the lineup, even when he might be stuck behind Pop Douglas on the depth chart. Okay. All right. We will mark that one down. And when we get to September, we'll go back and give you the credit for being the genius that told us about him first here on this show. Do you want to know who's going to be the most valuable sleeper to trade for? Okay.

Jacob Cowing Cohen out of Arizona. All you see on Twitter based on his size, his speed, his playing style, he is one for one. Everyone thinks he's tanked out. Okay. 5'8", 165. So just like we were trying to convince everyone of the next Pukunukuwa, sell everyone he is your next tanked out. There we go. So this is the guy to draft and then trade away by telling them it's tanked out. He's tanked out.

Give me your Joe Mixon. I got tanked Dell 2.0. What would really, really help would be if when you make the pick in the rookie draft, you need to be loud and obnoxious about how dumb everybody else was for letting him fall to that point.

Make them feel a little bit of fear and have to go research this guy and then they're going to find an article. Make sure you put Tank Dell in the chat too. They'll find a couple of articles comparing them to tank dell it it'll work perfectly we'll probably turn them into a 20-25 second some people would say you you're not going to have to tell me to be obnoxious in a draft i don't think i needed coaching on that that just comes naturally right so let's uh yeah i told you it doesn't uh yeah i'll get a couple other names here from uh from don davantez walker i liked walker um i have him as a second round pick

he's uh 6-1-197 he's pretty good speed he's just he's the same as that entire group. I think I had him just after the group we had with Thomas Worthy, Mitchell Coleman. He does the same things as they do. Deep threat, speed, inconsistent route running. He just seems to do them a little worse than that group. So he was the next group for me. So how about a mock draft? Sure. Feel up for it? Sure. Let's see if maybe even get two. Maybe the chat wants to participate. Let's try to do this. You can have the first pick.

I will take the second pick. The chat gets the third pick. And then we'll run it back. And we'll get a top 12 here in Superflex. And then we'll do it again for a one quarterback league. How does that sound? This is what we're doing. We're starting Superflex?

Superflex. And you are on the clock. Oh, no. is this why i have to start being obnoxious get ready for pick 103 chat first one to respond gets the pick i'll go caleb williams at 101 well that is extremely boring and i guess at least everybody knew it was going to happen um i'm going to go with... I think this guy's going to end up as a top three pick in the NFL draft, and if he does, then he's probably going to be my number two pick.

It's Anthony Richardson except maybe with better reason for it. I'll go Jaden Daniels. Does it worry you? I know you don't want tons of commentary here, but does it worry you he's pretty frail and he needs to pack on some weight here i i would like it if he put a little and that's why i didn't mean jade anthony richardson as a body body comp but no yes a little bit but

i'm i'm trying to i'm trying to win the league yeah and there is no doubt in my mind that this dude could come in and win people leagues. I made a thumbnail for his profile and I thought I edited the background improperly because he just, he looks so skinny. I said, can't really look like that. Does he? He does. The chat, there is no disputing. We don't have to go with the first answer because we made it easy for them. Everybody wants Marvin Harrison. You're welcome, guys. He is 103. I probably am going to look dumb already for not taking him at 102.

Sniped by the chat. Yeah, you never had any reason to believe he was coming back to you. No, he wasn't. So now this is where it gets a little bit interesting, right? Or is this an easy pick for you still? Depends. Can I trade down? There is no trading.

You're going to trade with the chat and see what kind of offer you can get? Yes, I am. That'll go well. But Malik Neighbors. Malik Neighbors. All right. And again, is that something that just feels like, yeah, that's pretty easy? That's going to depend on where Drake May goes and how high he goes.

If Drake May gets capital on a good landing spot, I could be talked into taking him. But for now, it's Malik Nabors pretty consistent, pretty easily. Yeah, for the purposes of this exercise, I'm going to tell you that Drake May is with Ben Johnson. And so I just stole him with the fifth pick overall. I don't think he's probably going to fall to the fifth pick if he's with Ben Johnson, is he? Oh, well, that's cheating. I would have said that Drake May was a

Hall of Famer. Okay, chat. So we've got five. Can they take Brock Bowers here so I don't have to, please? We'll see. We'll see. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors, Drake May are the first five picks. And we see here Jay would have taken May at five also. And the very first is Bowers at 106. Don did not disagree, but that's okay. Jeremy wanted to go Bowers. Troy wanted to go Bowers. So we've got six picks in.

We had eight first-round picks. I had seven. You added the eighth in Troy Franklin. Now we're going to see how strongly you really feel about Troy Franklin because the guy you said that was going to be overdrafted, Brock Bowers, is there. So is Franklin. Who are you taking? 106 was Bowers, right?

Oh, you're right. It is an easy question. They made my decision for me. So I'm going to go with Franklin. Franklin over a Dense. Yes. Yep. Okay. Well, then I will. That's that's interesting. So do you think that will be consensus by the time we get to the draft or are you going to be out on an Island with that? Nope. That was just me trying to mix it up here.

I think a doomsday is going to be a consensus. And for the most part, I think I'll probably take a doomsday. I just I've got neighbors. I kind of want to mix things up here, assuming I'm drafting on the same team. I think Franklin has similar potential, but is much wider range of outcomes. So I do say you're right was probably the consensus, but I'll take Franklin. No, I think it's good. And one of the best things that we can do, hopefully, on this show over the next three or three months, probably really, before people maybe get into more of rookie draft season. I think a lot of those happen right around the NFL draft is not just tell

people what consensus is, but bring people on that, that tell what it is that they, they would do differently. Like where, where's the edge within consensus and kind of what you've told us is Bowers is going to go too high. Franklin's going to go too low.

And so I'm just going to do it intentionally now maybe maybe for the rest of the offseason yeah okay so i'll take it duncey yeah and so you're welcome thank you very much i believe that puts us let's see eight picks in caleb williams jayden daniels marvin harrison jr malik neighbors drake may brock bowers troy flanklin roma duncey and who does the chat want Malik Navers, Drake May, Brock Bowers, Troy Flanklin, Roma Dunze. And who does the chat want to take? Will Dawn? You're not going to get consensus from the chat on this one, I think. This is where it gets interesting.

Well, I think a lot of the chat's like, I don't have any idea, so I'm not going to say anything at all. And James Joseph says he wants Kool-Aid. Don't we all? And we've got Toronto Dave saying it's Worthy. That's certainly possible. Well, I think it's certainly done because he was the first one to respond. So Xavier Worthy goes nine overall.

I've seen Don F say Leggett two or three times. He scared me. He has a similar profile. He might be the fastest wide receiver in the class. I liked him a lot better before the senior bowl when he was six foot three and a half. Now he's just under six foot one. That scares me a lot. He seems to have shrunk considerably this week. That is a real concern. That started to happen to me, but I'm 45. If that's happening to you in college, that's a problem. So you get one more pick here. We've got nine picks in.

We've got three picks left in our completely impromptu Superflex rookie-only mock draft. The first nine picks, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors, Drake May, Brock Bowers, Troy Franklin, Roma Dunze. How many people are going to be mad at me for saying Franklin, thinking that it allots Xavier Worthy? So who do you got here at 10? Worthy was the lowest of that group for me. I'm debating between Brian Thomas Jr. at LSU and Adenae Mitchell out of Texas.

I think this is going to be flip a coin. They're similar height, size, speed. I think I want, I'm going to go Brian Thomas Jr., but it's for me right there, that's flip a coin. I don't think you can go wrong. And if I have a lot of leagues where I have those late picks, I think my plan will be to diversify and kind of alternate which one I need. So I've got some more breaking news from the 2024 NFL draft. Blake Corum was the first running back drafted.

He was drafted by the Chargers to go be a workhorse running back, and he will be the 11th pick of our rookie-only draft. Wait, didn't you say the chargers drafted Bowers? No. Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry. I thought you said the chargers drafted someone else. No, I said Drake may was with Ben Johnson. Okay. Okay. Sorry. I misunderstood. Yeah. I didn't specify where they are, but they are together. Um, and so yes, I've got, I've got Drake may with Ben Johnson and I've got Blake Corum on the Chargers as a workhorse back.

I know you don't necessarily love him or the way they used him, but I do want to know if he's the first running back taken, and if he's on the Chargers, is he the first running back taken in rookie-only drafts? Pretty easily, yeah. For me, it would still depend on where Jonathan Brooks from Texas goes. But in that scenario, I think he's going to be

your consensus RB one and probably find him. So he might even find himself into the 108, 109 in that scenario. And so I think, I don't know, it's been three minutes. So that one doesn't count. So we're trying to see who are the, who are, there we go. AD Mitchell. Yeah. One, one 12. And that's exactly who, that's who you would have taken at one 11.

And before the news that Blake Corham been drafted by the chargers in round two, right? Exactly. Okay. I said, news changed it all. Thank you to the listeners. You guys, you guys did a good job in the chat of getting me like timely picks and nothing too ridiculous i really appreciate that we will do it again maybe next week for a one qb league but definitely we're going to have a lot of rookie moths mocks i'm scheduling a startup mock for tomorrow and so that won't be here on the show, but it will be on the site. You should check that out. Make sure you go check out the dynasty landing page. That's on the fantasy

football homepage on the far right side. Right now we've got rankings there. We've got tears there. We've got mock drafts there. We've got mailbags. And we also have a link to each of the episodes of this show. So everything you need for Dynasty from CBS is there on the Dynasty landing page. Thank you, Adam. Anything for me. I appreciate that. I'll probably think of maybe a request

that's even more beneficial to me for next week. Aaron, thank you for being here. Tell everybody once again where they can find you. I know we're going to go 17 more minutes because there's so many places, but I want you to give a chance to tell them. Did you cut out doing a second mock draft just so we could have time to list where I work? It's exactly right.

Okay. Redraft content at Player Profiler. Dynasty content at DLF. IDP at IDP, guys. I also do Fantasy Pros ECR and their weekly sit starts there. I have my own site now with a couple of friends. The guy who was trash talking me in the comments there, Jeremy. We have a site and a YouTube channel for fantasyfootballuniverse.com.

I think that's it. I also do some work over at King Fantasy Sports. And Jeremy is correct for at least a second time today. Aaron crushed it. You can also find him on Twitter at FFMadScientist. Thank you again to the chat. Thank you to everybody who's listening wherever you can also find him on twitter at ffmadscientist thank you again to the chat thank you for everybody who's listening wherever you can listen to podcasts

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