Fantasy Football Today - Early Projections! Debating QB2 and Much, Much More (01/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: January 28, 2021Heath and Chris are here to share their early projections and a bit about their process. We'll finish up with a great debate about the QBs after Patrick Mahomes, but first let's get into how the proje...ctions are made (2:30) and what to do when projections and rankings are very different. And which team was the toughest to project (13:00)? ... We try to force Heath into a Podcast minutes after the Super Bowl ends (14:55). Let's see how that goes. And then we'll go through the news and notes (17:48) as the Texans have a new head coach and the Seahawks have a new offensive coordinator. What do you need to know? ... Back to the projections (24:00), what kind of offense will Arthur Smith run in Atlanta? Cooper Kupp or Robert Woods next season (28:05)? How much better is Mahomes than the rest of the position (32:30)? And then we get into the other elite QBs and where they came out in the projections (37:35). Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen and more ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Subscribe to the FFT in 5 podcast on Apple, Spotify, Google, or wherever you listen to FFT. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @CTowersCBS, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Want winning picks each morning in under 10 minutes? Subscribe to 'The Early Edge: A Daily SportsLine Betting Podcast' on Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Enter the CBS Sports 'Football Props' game for your chance to compete for the $1 million jackpot. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/games/props-pickem To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben.
Welcome to the Thursday edition of Fantasy Football Today.
Here's what's coming up on the show.
Fun show.
Scott Miller makes a big mistake.
We've got new coaches and coordinators to talk about.
We have possibly a Rams quarterback competition.
The big crux of the show will be projections.
Early projections like Lamar Jackson is QB2 for Heath and not quite there for Chris,
and a segment called Plans for Heath.
Plans for Heath that Heath doesn't know about, but it's in the show.
What's going on, Heath?
We'll bring on Chris in a moment.
Hey, Heath, you ready for Plans for Heath?
It's kind of funny because there are other people who have plans for me
in the coming week and a half that I don't know about yet either so yeah this is my wife my wife
often has plans for me that i don't know about so this is a very comfortable situation all right
what's up chris chris how was your um your first foray into nfl or football fantasy football
projections it's it's really fun because the process,
and obviously anybody who's listened to Heath go through this knows,
but the process of doing that is very different
from the process of just coming up with rankings.
And so there are times when you come up with a result
that you don't necessarily agree with.
And I think that's valuable.
I think it helps you test your assumptions.
And then, you know, when you think someone like Cam Akers
is going to be one of the big breakout stars for 2021,
which I think is going to be a pretty much consensus opinion,
and then you have him ranked where Heath and I seem to,
based on the projections, you know,
it definitely makes for some interesting
talking points. All right. So I'll ask you, what do you do when your projections look a lot
different than what your, you know, what your mental rankings, I guess, were before you did
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We'll tell you more about Express later on in the show. So I have some general questions for
projections, but we can start with that. So you know, Cam Akers is going to be a breakout star,
then you run your projections, and he's not ranked as a breakout star, Chris. So then do you stay
loyal to your projections, or do you adjust and say, nope, let's move them up?
I think it's a bit of both. I think for my first draft of the rankings that we put on the site a couple of weeks ago, I pretty much just went with what the projections say. And that's because
we'll have six to seven months to talk through those things. And it's not just the rankings
that'll change, but it's the projections
that will change.
And in Cam Akers case, you know, I think a lot is going to depend on the passing game
role.
That's something that we've seen from the Rams in the past that they've used their running
backs in the passing game, but they didn't really this year.
That was a pretty significant change really over the last two seasons.
The usage of the Rams running backs in the passing game has really
changed.
And,
um,
that's going to play a significant part in,
in,
in whether cam acres is able to make this big leap because I don't think
he's going to be,
uh,
an especially efficient running back.
Why?
You know,
I assume he has a similar,
well,
why wouldn't he be efficient?
He was pretty efficient. He wasn't he be efficient? He was pretty efficient
as a rookie. He wasn't a particularly
efficient rusher in college
and the Rams running game hasn't been
particularly efficient over the last couple of seasons.
I think that's the
combination
there.
He was
what did he finish the season with?
Yards per carry fluctuates
widely from year to year.
But it just doesn't seem like as great of a situation as it once did.
He was in the median range for yards per carry last year.
4.3 is right in the...
Yeah, it's just about average.
The other thing I will say just in response to that question,
even though it wasn't asked to me, is...
No, it was.
It's why.
Like, those are the guys,
and I've already done it with a couple
since I did my first run through,
but it's why.
Why is the projection so much different
than what my expectation was?
What's like in the situation of Cam Akers, when I first did his projection, he was like running back 30.
And I was looking more at his usage over the full season.
And if you look at it just the regular season, you're like, I was only four or five games at the end of the year when Daryl Henderson was hurt when he got 20 carries per game.
And then there's two more in the playoffs as well.
And so I,
I had him a little lower on total carries than I probably should have.
But yeah,
I think those are the guys when it stands out and I'm like,
well,
I don't like that.
Those are the guys that you spend more time on.
Okay.
Yeah.
And the Rams will be really interesting.
You know,
they got this quarterback controversy.
They got a new offensive coordinator.
They've been worse offensively.
You look at Sean McVay and let me just make sure,
because I know we're going to talk about the Rams wide receivers,
make sure I get this stat right.
But they're scoring their points per game in four years under McVay.
29.9, basically 30, 33 points per game.
24.6, 23.3.
They've gone from first to second to 11th to 22nd in scoring.
They were not bad in yards last year.
They were 11th in yards, but they were 22nd in scoring,
really bad in the red zone.
But one thing they do pretty consistently,
they get a lot of rushing touchdowns,
which I don't know how that factors in for you guys,
but that is something that you do see.
That's one of the things I was just looking at their scoring has gone down,
but they're rushing touchdowns over the past three years,
23,
2019.
Um,
that really has not been impacted as much.
And that's kind of a reflection of Jared Goff's poor performance in terms of
touchdown rate every year,
except for one in his career.
Yeah.
And last year he was ninth in the NFL in pass attempts,
22nd in red zone pass attempts,
25th in green zone inside the
10-yard line pass attempts.
That I always wonder,
what if that changes? What if they start throwing more
in the red zone and then the rushing touchdowns come down?
There's a lot that you just can't
know. So it can't be an
easy exercise, I guess, to
project and do rankings.
Chris, I'll go back to you for this one.
2020 was the highest scoring season in NFL history.
So do you expect more of the same in 2021?
No.
On the whole, I think scoring will probably go down.
And I think the reasons why scoring was up
were fairly predictable.
This was something that we saw back in uh I think
it was 2011 when there was the the lockout for the NFL that was you know didn't impact any games but
did impact training camp and you know that always seems to give the offense an edge and that's what
we saw especially early on in the season I think um I want to say scoring actually sort of normalized
as the season went on but especially early on in the season we I think I want to say scoring actually sort of normalized as the season went on,
but especially early on in the season, we were looking at some pretty gaudy numbers. You remember
Dak Prescott was on pace for, I want to say close to 6,500 passing yards before his injury.
You know, that definitely gave the offense an edge and I think it will regress a little bit,
but you know, the era that we're in with
teams playing with so many offensive weapons on the field now I think we're still going to
see elevated scoring just I would bet against it being another record he's without revealing
too much uh since you know this is somewhat proprietary information. How do you go about doing projections?
I start on a team level.
So like, for instance,
we were just talking about the Rams.
They are one of the easier ones to look at the team level
because even though the scoring's changed,
a lot has stayed very similar.
They have run between 1,055 and 1,088 plays each of the past three seasons.
League median last year was 1,000.
So I'm going to project the Rams to run more offensive plays.
Then I look at their run-pass splits.
Then I look at how were their targets divided up.
Chris mentioned the running back targets for them, 71 and 62 each of the past two seasons.
That's very, very low.
Even three years ago, it was 97.
That's considering they threw the ball 568 times.
That's a low rate as well, just not as low.
So that's where I start is just with the play callers.
It's more difficult.
Obviously, we've got one, two, three, four, five,
I think six teams that do not currently
have an offensive coordinator.
Some of those, I would say, matter more than others.
Like you said, a new offensive coordinator for the Rams.
I'm not sure that matters.
Right.
If the Chiefs lost Eric Bien-Ami,
I don't think that would probably matter.
It's Andy Reid.
That's not fair to Eric Bien-Ami.
I think he brings something.
I don't know that it would change the way that they do.
The philosophy is still.
Right. Exactly. Yes.
So that's where I start.
And then I look at efficiency for players'
career past three years and full season
to make a prediction on their efficiency,
projection on their efficiency for next year.
How much do you change your projections
whenever I give you an Acer stat?
A lot?
No, there are definitely Acer stats that have changed.
Because I'm, and I think, there are definitely Acer stats that have changed. Like, because I'm, and I think like, there's no doubt this conversation that we're going
to have, I'm fully anticipating Chris and you both will say things that will change
the projections.
When you project 32 teams, 320 players or whatever, in a matter of a week based on the same criteria,
there should be certain splits
that change your mind.
No, mine are perfect.
Okay, as is.
And I will not be adjusting them at all
at any point.
I don't know that I really have.
Even when team players change teams.
I think maybe,
here's an Acer stat.
If Aaron Rodgers had,
he had a 9 point what nine point three i had this stat ready i love it do it all right so what was his his touchdown rate nine point nine
point one percent touchdown rate his touchdown rate for his career is the second highest of all
time six point three percent okay so if he had just been at his 6.3% touchdown rate,
he would have thrown 33 touchdowns,
which is 15 fewer than what he did,
and he would have been the number 10 quarterback in four-point,
number nine quarterback in six-point for passing touchdown leagues
instead of number two in four-point, number one.
He would have been basically 10th, 10th or 9th
if he had just been at his career touchdown rate.
That's what makes him, I think,
one of the most difficult players to project
amongst guys that we have a bunch of information on
because he is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
His career efficiency is exceptionally good.
His two years before last year were mediocre at best.
And the one thing we talked about going into last year
when we were kind of poo-pooing Aaron Rodgers is,
man, the Packers are sure behaving like a team
that wants to be a lot more run heavy
than they have been with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.
And they were a lot more run heavy.
And he threw 40 touchdown passes, so it didn't matter.
Yeah, and that's one that there were a lot of numbers
going around last offseason about how the Packers had one of the highest rushing touchdown rates
in the NFL and how that was likely to regress.
And I think they're probably going to regress a little bit
in the opposite direction.
I think the offense probably won't be quite as good next season as well.
But having said all that,
I think he has the third highest touchdown projection
for any quarterback for me,
and he certainly doesn't have
the third most pass attempts projected.
No, and the other thing about that is,
okay, so if he had,
he would have scored like 390 points last year
in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues
with his career touchdown rate.
It's Aaron Rodgers we're talking about here.
And like I said, that would have made him about QB 9 in 2020,
but QB 3 in 2019.
So even if he throws for – he's not a huge yards guy always.
He doesn't throw that much.
But if he throws for 33 touchdowns, he hardly ever throws interceptions.
It's really – unless everybody else,
because last year the quarterback position was just elevated so much,
has another amazing year.
He's not going to be like QB9 with a 6.3 touchdown rate, 6.3% touchdown rate.
That's just what it would have been in this crazy record-setting year.
All right, I want to get into more specifics a little bit later.
Just tell me toughest team to project Heath toughest team to project.
Well now or later,
once we get more variation,
like the ones right now,
sneaky,
I'm going to say sneaky,
tough team to project is one of the two teams left Tampa Bay.
I really hadn't considered that Leonard Fournette,
Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski,
and like a third of their defense are all free agents.
Yeah.
I think they were pretty tough to project as is
because one, they added Antonio Brown midseason and his role
fluctuated as they went on Mike Evans role fluctuated as the season went on Chris Godwin
missed a pretty significant amount of time and Leonard Fournette I mean presumably they don't
bring Leonard Fournette back but you know right now I'm projecting them as if they have both, and they're the same guy to me, Leonard Fournette and Ronald Jones.
So as we've seen over the last five weeks,
the usage of those two guys, and really we saw it during the season,
Ronald Jones and Leonard Fournette,
their usage kind of changed fairly consistently throughout the season.
Yeah, arguably the most annoying thing in fantasy this year
is the Tampa Bay running game. consistently throughout the season. Yeah, arguably the most annoying thing in fantasy this year.
It's the Tampa Bay running game.
All right, we will get into Rams wide receivers,
most of the elite quarterbacks,
Panthers wide receivers,
Christian McCaffrey,
A.J. Brown, guys like that in a little bit.
Time for Plans for Heath.
We were talking yesterday about what to do after the Super Bowl.
We'd like to have a podcast right after the game,
even if it's a quick one, just to sort of give our thoughts.
Some football thoughts. This is a bad idea.
And we thought, well, if the Chiefs win, maybe we should have Heath on.
If the Chiefs lose, we probably don't want to have Heath on.
I know it's going to be a long day of barbecuing and drinking. But I thought it would be fun to have Heath on. Now, I know there's going to be, you know, it's going to be a long day of barbecuing and drinking.
Okay.
But I thought it would be fun to have Heath on.
But Ben told me that he was with you last year
when the Chiefs won the Super Bowl.
And Ben, what did you say Heath was doing after they won?
Running around in the backyard,
holding many different kids,
and going near the water,
extremely close to the water,
and celebrating.
It was a good time.
Yeah, but this will be a second in a row.
So the novelty will have worn off.
It probably won't even make you that happy.
It will be a much different situation.
It's weird to look back because that was like a month before things got shut down.
We had 25 people maybe in our house.
That gives me anxiety now.
Yeah.
And yeah, I will probably start,
put the meat on the smoker about 4 a.m.
And my smoker doesn't work without alcohol.
It just doesn't.
I've tried it.
It doesn't work. So I It just doesn't. I've tried it. It doesn't work.
So I think me being on a podcast
after the game is a bad idea.
I mean, for you, baby,
for the listeners,
I think they would probably
get some enjoyment out of it.
But all right, we will negotiate.
We'll talk about it.
We're working on plans for Heath
for Super Bowl Sunday.
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Okay. News
and notes. So Houston hired
a new head coach, David Culley. He was
the passing game coordinator and the assistant
head coach for the Baltimore
Ravens. They're going to keep their offensive
coordinator, Tim Kelly. And how about this?
The Texans were last in the NFL in plays and first in the NFL in yards per play.
So that was pretty interesting.
They ended up 13th in yards, 18th in scoring, but they're keeping Tim Kelly.
The Seahawks are hiring Rams passing game coordinator Shane Waldron as their OC, as
their offensive coordinator.
He has no play-calling experience.
And I said that the Rams are getting a new offensive coordinator,
but I'm not right about that.
I think I just mixed it up with them losing their passing game coordinator.
So it doesn't matter.
It's a Sean McVay offense anyway.
But apparently the Rams are going to have a competition
between Goff and John Walford,
according to Ian Rapoport.
They're also unlikely to bring back Malcolm Brown and Gerald Everett and Josh Reynolds.
Hopefully, Andrew Whitworth will be back with the Rams.
He's expected to play in 2021.
Let's talk, though, about the Seahawks offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron.
Again, no play-calling experience and coming over from the Rams.
Your thoughts here is Pete Carroll said they have to run the ball.
There's been a lot written about this.
The deep ball was not nearly as successful in the second half of the season.
Pete Carroll wants to run the ball.
He hired a passing game coordinator.
What do you make of it?
Well, they've always like there are there was a quote from DK Metcalf this year compared and contrasted to a quote from Tyler Lockett, I believe, three years ago with both receivers saying basically the same thing.
They got to the second half of the season and they were doing the same thing they'd done all year, running the ball and throwing it deep.
And teams just took away the deep ball and they didn't have any way to combat that. And so if their plan is to run the ball and throw it deep, then I guess maybe we should be concerned about that.
But they still have arguably one of the top three or four wide receiver duos in the league.
One of the top five quarterbacks in the league.
I didn't really change too much based on this.
I did plug in basically the Rams' offensive tendencies,
contrasted with the Seahawks' offensive tendencies,
and it just basically comes out to pretty close to an average offense.
Lockett was definitely one of the tougher players to project for me,
and I was shocked at how good his numbers came out
in a way that I don't feel totally comfortable with.
Well, you just know how it's going to happen.
He's going to have like four huge games.
Yeah.
Well, Russell Wilson has been,
you know, midway through the season,
two years in a row,
he's been basically the number one quarterback
and then completely fallen off.
He must be a pain in the butt
to project, too, especially since you're
dancing with that super high
touchdown rate all the time, which I know has to make you
a little uncomfortable, right?
That one is
fairly easy for me.
He's done it long enough that I just accept
that he is going to be a 6%
touchdown rate guy. There's a few of those.
But
he is in a range
where if you changed his yards
by five, it might change
his ranking by that many spots.
Okay.
Joe Lombardi for the
Chargers. He's now their offensive coordinator.
He says an up-tempo offense is part of
what he's building.
Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers, though.
Green Bay president Mark Murphy said,
there is no way in heck Aaron Rodgers won't be on Green Bay next season.
Jason LaConfora for CBS Sports wrote an article
with a very, very different theme to it.
A lot of people expect Aaron Rodgers to be gone.
People in the NFL, coaches, front office execs.
It's a really interesting article, So please read it. We'll check
in on it. Obviously as there's
news throughout the offseason Kyle
Rudolph doesn't. Yeah, I want to go back to
Joe Lombardi just for a second. Yeah,
because there were some things that came out on
Twitter about his approach talking about
a balanced approach.
He's been an offensive coordinator
in Detroit, right? Yeah.
Yeah, but it was only for like...
Two seasons, I think.
A season and a half even.
I think he got fired after like six games the second year.
Yeah, but he's at up-tempo.
They were a very up-tempo offense in terms of plays run.
They were a very pass-heavy team,
and they threw the ball to their running backs
more than any team in the league.
No, I'm sorry.
I have to interrupt you.
You're,
you're saying the lions when he was the coordinator or the chargers last
year,
the lions.
Okay.
Um,
cool.
And so keep that going then.
Uh,
Scotty Miller thinks he's the fastest player in the NFL.
I mean,
the last time,
the last time you faced Tyree kill,
he had 200 yards in the first quarter.
Why would you say anything that might fire him up
even a little bit?
But also, he ran at the combine.
He ran a 4-4-4, which is really fast.
That's like in the 80th percentile for NFL wide receivers,
maybe a little higher.
I read that he had run a 4-3-9.
I don't know, maybe it was his pro day or something like that.
Even then, that's still Henry Ruggs ran a 4-2-7.
He's not close to the fastest NFL player. I don't know. Maybe it was his pro day or something like that. Even then, that's still Henry Ruggs ran a 4-2-7. Yeah.
He's not close to the fastest NFL player.
The 49ers side Jeff Wilson to a one-year deal.
Heath, who do you think the number one running back for the Niners will be next year?
You know, maybe Scotty Miller is the fastest because when he got into a race, he would just grit his way to win the race.
So that would make him the fastest.
I currently have Raheem Mostert projected as the best running back, but neither of them or I don't think either 49ers running back came in my top 25.
Chris?
Same.
I have them very close to one another.
And Catherine Terrell of The Athletic covers the Saints,
expects the Saints to move on from Jared cook.
All right.
So let's go to our,
let's go to our projections here and we'll start with some of Heath's and
obviously Chris weigh in on all of these,
but David Johnson,
what do you want to start with?
Actually,
one of the things you told me is David Johnson's the top 15 PPR running back.
Matt Ryan, you want to talk about his past attempts going from Dirk Cutter to Arthur Smith, Rams wide receivers, Panthers wide receivers, Lamar Jackson, QB2.
What do you want to start with?
Oh, you said them all.
I don't I don't think the David Johnson one means anything.
It's just the type of thing that sticks out that he was actually not awful next year. And it seems like with
his contract and the Texan situation, he's probably going to be there starting running back next
year. And he's probably going to follow the fifth or sixth round in the
running back dead zone. And if he's there in the fifth or sixth round, I'm probably
going to draft him. That's all it is about David Johnson.
He did come out at number 16 in my
projections he will not be ranked in my top 20 um but that's that that's that the matt ryan one i
think is one of the more interesting 617 pass attempts for him the last three years that's 151
more pass attempts per year than ryanannehill averaged under Arthur Smith.
Now, I don't think with Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, you're going to go in there and turn
in that defense, which is sometimes awesome and sometimes awful.
And those running backs.
And those running backs.
You're going to turn the team into that.
But I do project them to be amongst the most run-heavy teams
in football next year because that's how I...
It's the same reason that I did with the Browns
and Kevin Stefanski last year.
But they had good running backs.
I would anticipate that the Falcons are going to have
a different running back than Ido Smith and Quadriolison
going into the next season.
I have Matt Ryan currently at 512 pass attempts. different running back than ito smith and quadriolison going into the next season um
i have matt ryan currently at 512 pass attempts that's again again like a 15 increase over what
arthur smith has called historically um but that's a bad that's bad news for the Falcons in general. It means Matt Ryan's not a top 18 quarterback.
And when you've got Ridley and Julio,
it means that they're probably not as high as Chris has them.
Yes, I do have Matt Ryan projected for his fewest pass attempts since 2017.
It's about 80 more than Heath has them projected for.
I just, I think, like, yes yes I understand what Arthur Smith has done with the
Tennessee Titans but the Tennessee Titans personnel is very different than the Falcons personnel the
the situations are very different and I think generally speaking offensive coordinators
the good ones and I assume Arthur Smith is a good one, they'll tailor their offense to the guys that they have.
I don't think taking
80 plays away from Matt Ryan
and giving them to
whoever the running back is
is the right decision,
but I don't know that for sure.
This is a guessing
thing. The thing that scares me the
most
I think about the past
attempts is that the titans defense was pretty much awful last year um and they still didn't
really throw the ball yeah they they were so committed to the run i mean you'd see games
where they're trailing late in the game and every team throws basically except for the Titans.
Derrick Henry, he's
a big play guy and
a way to get back into the game.
It is interesting. Atlanta's defense
gave up just 23
points per game after the Dan Quinn firing.
The last 11 games, they went 4-7
compared to 0-5. First five games,
they gave up 32.2 points per game.
They also faced Seattle, Dallas, and Green Bay in there. First five games, they gave up 32.2 points per game. They also faced Seattle, Dallas, and Green Bay
in there. Last 11 games,
23 points per game, which is pretty good.
But even in those games, Matt Ryan
was on pace for 614 pass
steps, which would have led the NFL.
And he did lead the NFL in
pass steps. Again, speaking
of offensive coordinators, that's what Dirk
Cutter does. That's
what he always does.
So he's going from the guy
that always throws it 600 times
to the guy that never throws it 500.
It's a big guessing game.
I think there's at least two more
that are good.
The Cooper Cup last year,
basically except for the running game
and a strange turn in touchdown usage,
was better than Robert Woods.
I'm not saying I'm going to rank Cooper Cup better than Robert higher than Robert Woods.
They're much closer though than I anticipated Cup average more targets catches and yards
per game than Woods and the prior two or three years.
It was pretty clear that Cooper Cup was the guy that was used in the red zone and Robert Woods couldn't ever score touchdowns.
So I think I've got them very, very close.
I think I have Woods at 11 and Cup at 15, but that probably means I'm going to draft a lot of Cooper Cup.
You have them both as top 15 receivers.
I do.
That would change if golf, obviously.
I have Woods 15 and Cubs 17.
I'm a little dismayed at both how high they are
and how close they are.
But I do have them projected for the same amount of touchdowns.
I generally think...
I'm not surprised that Cooper Cup had a down touchdown season.
I feel like that was... He's had basically two seasons where he scored
a higher share of touchdowns than you would expect
given his overall usage and two seasons where he hasn't.
So my assumption is he's just kind of a normal touchdown guy
who's had a lot of outlier seasons, you know, outlier seasons both ways.
But, but I would say like, and Chris has talked about,
I can remember Chris talking about this in baseball and it's the,
the he's due argument.
Cooper cup was due to score five touchdowns last year, not three.
Like even with his regression,
it wasn't that he should have had that bad of a touchdown season.
Right. And, and I think the,
the thing there is that they're just,
because they're on the same team,
you're probably going to see more often than not a give and take.
It's not going to be,
they probably won't both score the seven touchdowns I have them projected
for next season,
because generally speaking,
every touchdown Robert Woods scores is one that Cooper Cup can't and vice
versa.
Cup did lead the team.
Let me give you a few stats here and you guys can react.
Cupp led the team in red zone and green zone targets, but very, very close.
It was, he had one more than Woods in the red zone.
He had two more targets than Woods in the green zone.
It was evenly distributed inside the 10 yard line.
And like I said, golf didn't throw the ball a lot near the end zone.
If you just want to look at these three wide receivers and their points per game,
fantasy points per game rank
in the last three seasons,
Cooper Cup has been
9th, 7th, and 39th in non-PPR,
14th, 7th, and 28th in full PPR.
And he was so low this year
because he didn't score touchdowns.
He was on pace for 98 catches over 1,000 yards,
but only three touchdowns.
So in 2018 and 19, he was top 10 in non-PPR per game.
He was top 14 in PPR.
Robert Woods has not been quite as high.
He's been 14th, 28th, and 19th,
and 17th, 14th, and 18th in PPR. 14th, 28th, 19th, and non- 14th, 28th, and 19th, and 17th, 14th, and 18th in PPR.
14th, 28th, 19th, and non.
17th, 14th, and 18th.
Very consistent Robert Woods.
Three years in a row on a per-game basis
ranked 14th through 18th in points per game.
He finished 14th through 18th in points per game in PPR.
So that's just a little perspective for you,
and that's kind of where you guys have him ranked, right?
Right in that range.
Yeah.
Yeah, and the biggest difference is the touchdowns you know i one thing at wide
receiver is the difference between uh the tiers especially outside of like the top five or so
you're talking about relatively small margins so you know finishing 14th one year and the other
guy finishing 22nd they were probably only separated by a handful of points.
And one thing I do have in my projections that I think some people may not think,
I don't generally like rushing production for wide receivers,
but kind of like Tyreek Hill, we're going on three straight years now
where Robert Woods has at least 17 extra fantasy points
in the running game last year it was uh 28 i think so i don't think you should predict him for zero
fantasy points in the rushing game i think that's one advantage he has on other receivers the final
one that i think kind of stood out to me was patrick mahomes and obviously i think everyone
will have him number one at quarterback.
I'm kind of coming around on the idea that he should maybe be a second round pick
instead of a third round pick
on a per game basis
over the last three years. He's been
almost four fantasy points better
than any other active quarterback.
You have to say that because Andrew Luck
played half a season and averaged like
28 fantasy points per game and still shows up.
But I kind of think maybe he's just worth it.
Okay, but so give me that stat again of the last three years.
3.8 more fantasy points per game than any other quarterback.
In six points for passing touchdown leagues?
Correct.
But then now I'll ask you a process question
because he hasn't been that in the last two years. In six points for passing touchdown leagues? But then now I'll ask you a process question,
because he hasn't been that in the last two years.
You know, if you were to remove his record-setting year three seasons ago, you just look at the last two years,
I don't even know if he's the number one quarterback.
You know, he hasn't been number one per game
in either of those two seasons.
So what does that mean to you? Well, that mean last year and it's frustrating to me because you can look at three different sources
for our scoring and see three different decimal um answers but right now i i've got rogers mahomes
alan and deck if you wanted to count him all basically within a half of a fantasy point per game
at 29 points, whatever your number happens to show.
Yeah, I don't get it.
I don't understand.
I think it's just fumbles.
I think some of them don't have the fumble category.
Right.
But those were four of the six seasons over the past four of the six
quarterbacks over the past three years to score that many fantasy points
yeah like mahomes was second or third on a per game basis last year he was fourth or fifth over the last three years. And one of the other top five was also him.
I think the sort of simplified way to do it
is just to make another baseball analogy.
It's like Mike Trout in fantasy.
He doesn't always finish as the number one quarterback,
but it takes an outlier season from Josh Allen.
It takes an outlier season from Dak Prescott.
We're not arguing that Mahomes should be one.
It's that Heath said he should be in the second round.
Yeah.
So how much higher...
Because Trout is always, you know,
like if he's number one, okay,
you're comparing him to like,
who's going to be number two?
Is it Mookie Betts?
But how much farther down is the next quarterback,
I guess, you know?
Yeah, I think the difference
between number one at QB for me,
and there's a difference
between how I value them
in the top 200
and how I value them in fantasy points,
but the gap between them,
number one and number two,
is about the same as number two
to number 10 or so for me.
But I still have Mahomes more in like the fourth round range.
Okay.
I want to get to,
I think the next group of quarterbacks is really interesting.
Chris has Kyler Murray,
Aaron Rogers,
Josh Allen,
and Russell Wilson,
Russell Wilson basically tied.
And then he has Lamar Jackson just behind them.
Heath has Lamar Jackson is QB too.
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through six, basically? Yeah. So I actually changed things just a little bit. But two through five are
separated by four points. I have a Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, Russell Wilson, and Lamar Jackson.
Aaron Rodgers is slightly behind. I think he's like a touchdown behind Lamar Jackson.
And so for me, it's basically my home's in tier by himself.
Then there's a tier of about five.
Maybe you include Deshaun Watson there, and then there's another tier drop off.
But those tiers are really, really close to one another. You're talking about five points separating two and five
and 11 points separating six and eight or six and nine.
And who's in the tier again?
Can you just repeat the names?
Mahomes number one, then Kyler Murray, Josh Allen,
Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, and the next tier, Aaron Rodgers,
sort of in that tier, and then Deshaun Watson, Dak Prescott.
I have Jalen Hurts and Taysom Hill but obviously
you know depending on who's actually
starting for those teams that could
change if if the other
guys that those teams have are
starting they probably won't be ranked as high
I'll follow
up the why Dak Prescott outside
of that second tier he
was I mean look at his first
four games he got hurt in week five.
His first four games,
he's on pace for 6,760 yards,
36 touchdowns, 12 interceptions,
plus another 344 rushing yards
and 12 rushing touchdowns.
So when you go back, by the way, people,
when you look at points per game,
Dak Prescott's got, you know,
like half a game against the Giants
or he didn't do very well. Before
that, he may have been better
than... I'm guessing he was better than
anyone in terms of points per game
in just those four games. Yeah, he had to
have been. Partially, it's that I
don't think he's going to throw the ball 800
times, which is what he was on pace for after
the first four games. And when you
look at it on a per-play
basis, the touchdown rate was a little lower uh than what we've got gotten used to um i just what he was
doing wasn't totally sustainable and sure they're not going to be they're not going to have to be
as aggressive if you remember early on they were trailing in pretty much every game by fairly big
numbers and so they uh you know he was throwing the ball 39, 47, 57, 58 times,
and then 21 in that game.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I'm just saying, why isn't he not with the second tier?
I'm not saying, why isn't he the number one quarterback?
I'm saying, why is he behind Kyler Wilson and Allen?
And who's the other guy?
Not Roger.
Well, he's projected for the second fewest rushing yards
among that group.
And he's a good rushing quarterback,
but it's mostly what he does in the red zone.
And I do have him projected for four rushing touchdowns.
That's a healthy number.
But comparing it to Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson,
those guys are all better runners than him.
And then Aaron Rodgers,
I just think he'll be a more efficient quarterback Murray, Lamar Jackson, those guys are all better runners than him. And then Aaron Rodgers.
I just think he'll be a more efficient quarterback than Dak Prescott.
It's so interesting because I was trying to parse these,
and I think it's seven guys for me that,
and they're not quite as close in some areas as Chris has them.
And I've got Rodgers behind the group, but compare,
like it's just how much of last year was even kind of real.
But when I'm looking at on a per game basis in 2018,
Deshaun Watson was second at 24 points per game.
In 2019, he was second at 24.9 points per game.
Last year, Deshaun Watson scored 27.1 and fell down to like sixth or seventh.
And you look at it, and with somebody like Rogers,
over the past three seasons,
his second best season is 22.7 fantasy points per game.
Josh Allen's second best season is 20.5.
These guys made this huge leap
from what they've been doing last year
when Dak and Watson were considerably better than them
the year before.
Wilson's been considerably better than them
the two years prior.
And I'm not saying that some of these things
that changed last year
aren't things that should just maybe the same in 2021,
but it is putting a lot of weight into 2020 to put Allen and Rogers
considerably ahead of Watson and deck.
That's totally fair.
It's a really hard question to answer.
And the problem is I do have a significant amount of regression
baked in for both of them.
Yeah.
Kyler, the thing that really frightens me is I have, well,
one, he's entering his third year.
So the fact that he took a step forward,
that's not necessarily surprising.
I have him projected for almost 200 fewer rushing yards
than he got this season.
That's probably the place where he's most predictable,
I guess.
And the place where he has the most room to grow
is obviously as a passer.
That passing game actually wasn't all that good this season.
And you can say that maybe that'll remain the case,
but it's also certainly possible that he takes another step forward as a
passer.
And,
you know,
I think when you put those things together,
I think Kyler Murray probably has South of Patrick Mahomes,
maybe the most realistic upside for anyone.
And Josh Allen, I was a big Josh Allen skeptic, but he just it never fell off.
I kept expecting something to fall off.
I kept expecting, oh, he's going to get exposed in the playoffs.
And it just never happened and at some point the combination of him being a
dominant red zone force and having you know i think arguably the best receiving core in the nfl
it's just really hard to it was really hard for me to get him lower than he is um even though i
did try at various points and you know what what will be interesting to see if they move on from John Brown,
which I think is likely.
He carries a very small dead cap hit,
and they have, I think, the fifth most amount of money
on their wide receiving core.
So I would think they might move on,
except that Gabriel Davis was really awesome as a rookie.
And I think he might be ready to just step in
and take on a bigger role without them losing much.
So,
um,
sorry,
this fits into the conversation.
I wasn't trying to,
uh,
step on what you were saying.
I,
and maybe Adam said this in the news and I just didn't hear it,
but Deshaun Watson has officially requested a trade.
Oh no,
I didn't,
I did not say that.
Yeah.
Hey,
obviously his projections are obviously up in the air
depending on where he ends up.
But, you know, Josh Allen,
we got to talk about Lamar Jackson in this discussion too.
First of all, let me say this.
Okay, let's talk Kyler Murray real quick.
Kyler Murray, you look at the final numbers,
and Chris mentioned the passing production wasn't that good.
It wasn't great.
3,971 yards, 26 touchdowns, 12 picks.
That's really not great in 16 games.
But before the sprained AC joint, he was on pace for 4,222 yards, 30 touchdowns, 14 interceptions, which is a lot.
But you'll take, I mean, 4,200 yards and 30 touchdowns.
If you give me that from Kyler Murray,
I think I might, I think he's, he'd be my number two quarterback.
Here's the thing. And I have Kyler currently projected ahead of Deshaun Watson
and Dak Prescott, but on a per game basis, Deshaun Watson was better than Kyler Murray last year,
but not before the, not before the spring day C joint. Okay, fine. But he was not close to as good
as Deshaun Watson has been in any year of his career
as a rookie.
As a rookie, Deshaun Watson, his half a season,
blows Kyler Murray away.
His second and third year blows Kyler Murray away that year.
So I just...
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, so Kyler's second year
in this year of the 27-point quarterback.
Right.
But we've never seen Kyler Murray be better than Deshaun Watson.
Except the first nine games before his injury.
I could take a nine-game sample from any of these quarterbacks
and make the case that they're the best quarterback in the NFL.
That's the thing, though.
It wasn't a random nine-game sample, though.
It was pre-injury.
Shoulder injury.
I think that's actually kind of the point.
I think outside of Patrick Mahomes,
you can make a case for at least a half dozen,
and I would say as many as eight other quarterbacks,
to be the number two quarterback.
I just think that's the state of the position.
And that's part of why I don't necessarily need to reach on Patrick Mahomes.
The replacement level at quarterback is so high.
I'm not reaching on the number two quarterback.
That's, I think, what we're asking.
No, no, no.
For me, it's just whoever's left of that group.
What's your difference, Chris, between Mahomes and No. 2
and then between Mahomes and No. 10?
Difference between Mahomes and No. 2 is 21 total points.
Difference between Mahomes and No. 10 is 52.
So about four points per game.
So you have the difference between Mah homes and number 10 is what the
difference between my homes and number two has been over the last three years.
Yes.
And what do you have?
Um, no, I have him at 50 points better than any other quarterback.
And how much between him and number 10?
96.
Wow.
Yeah.
It's a big difference.
I just, it's just, I have my home is projected for a lot more points.
I am for four 22. Yeah. I have my homies projected for a lot more points. I have them for 422.
Yeah, I've got them significantly higher than that.
So we're definitely not going to get to all the things
I wanted to talk about,
but I'm loving this quarterback conversation here.
So Josh Allen, how do you guys deal with the fact
that his rushing yards have decreased every year?
Still a bonus there
is still over 400 but um well let me just get the exact numbers it's gone from 631 yards as a rookie
and he only started 11 games to 510 to 421 but eight to nine rushing touchdowns every year and
that's just like Dak Prescott was 666 in his first three years and then three in his fourth year and then three again last year and only five games. But like, I mean, can we really trust that eight to nine rushing touchdowns every year? So how do you look at Josh Allen's rushing totals, the yards coming down and the touchdowns just feel like too good to be true? Or are you convinced he can do that again, Heath?
Oh, I definitely think he's going to have a fall-off.
It's just, does he fall?
Like, I think most of the quarterbacks that scored 30 fantasy points last year per game
are going to have a fall-off.
And does he fall off further than them?
It's okay if Josh Allen's rushing production falls off,
if Stefan Diggs makes him a good passer,
if he's improved enough accuracy-wise
to where he's a good passer.
I've got him right about 4,000 yards passing
and 30 touchdowns,
and right around 500 yards rushing.
The key will be,
it's okay if the rushing yards fall,
if they consider it, continue to use him as their goal line back. And I don't know why we wouldn't
think they're going to do that. They've done it for three years in a row.
Okay. So let's talk about Lamar Jackson. And then I'll ask you guys, who are you taking number two?
Who's your number two quarterback, but Lamar Jackson. Well, for Heath, are you taking him
number two right now? Lamar Jackson is my number are you taking him number two right now?
Lamar Jackson is my number two quarterback, and it goes back
to the same thing we were saying about
Deshaun Watson. The best we've seen from
Lamar Jackson was
20% better than any quarterback that year.
The worst we've seen
from... Well, what we saw from Lamar Jackson
last year... I won't say the worst because his seven
games as a starter, as a rookie, were worse.
What we saw last year was the number two say the worst because his seven games as a starter, as a rookie, were worse. What we saw last year
was the number two quarterback on a per-game
basis in 2018 and 2019.
And another thing,
I mentioned this yesterday, right? He was
QB 10. I mentioned this on FFT in 5,
actually. He was QB 10 this year,
right around there. But you give him his fantasy
points from 2020 and put him in
2019,
and he's QB three, I think.
And that's if you remove 2019 Lamar Jackson.
I never compare one player against himself.
So he's got the rushing totals,
whereas I feel like so many quarterbacks who finished ahead of him
could really come back to earth in their passing totals
because it was just
so wild last year but with him you know he that's not a problem for him he didn't necessarily
overachieve as a passer he had a pretty back to earth last year he did and he still had a high
touchdown rate um but i think he always will yeah we all know baltimore's gonna be really efficient
but he's just like he's got this floor with the rushing.
I mean, he's basically a 1,000-yard rusher.
Three years in a row, he's been on pace for over 1,000 rushing yards.
So if the other guys don't do as much as they did as passers,
that's just going to really benefit Lamar Jackson.
He could shoot up from number 10 to number 2.
Yeah, maybe number, who knows, maybe number 1.
That's kind of how I see it. Chris, your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I have him four and a half points behind. If I had him projected for four and a half more points,
he would be the number two quarterback. Yeah. So I'm right there. It's just
like Kyler's probably going to throw for close to a thousand yards more than him,
probably the same amount of touchdowns.
And so it comes down to, you know, does Lamar Jackson now rushing by 300 yards and a couple touchdowns?
You know, Kyler's been an incredible goal line quarterback as well.
And before that AC joint injury, he was on pace for, I believe, over a thousand yards as well.
So, you know, I it's a jumble and the the lesson for me is really that it's just
i'm not gonna pay a premium for any of them and that's always the case for me at quarterback
um but i i legitimately think there could be 10 quarterbacks in 2020 who average 25 fantasy
points per game what do you have for um Kyler and Lamar's passing touchdowns?
Because I think that's like the same 20.
Well,
26 for Kyler,
27 for,
for Lamar.
Yeah.
On a,
you know,
150 different,
130 pass attempt difference.
Right.
It seems kind of silly,
but there,
I don't see any reason
to expect Kyler to throw more touchdowns.
I will just, but there is,
like Kyler was, you know,
the most efficient offensive quarterback
we've ever seen in college.
And it's entirely possible
that he does make a leap
and a leap for him would be like
a five and a half percent touchdown rate would get him to, you know, roughly off the top of my head.
32 passing touchdowns.
I think that would be that would get him really close to Patrick Mahomes.
I think that's the that's what he was on pace for before the injury.
Yeah. And he was the number one quarterback. With a guy who runs like he does,
which is almost as good as Lamar Jackson,
and will throw the ball 500 plus times.
So Jackson is number two for Heath right now.
Chris, how about you?
Five, but...
No, no, no.
Who's number two?
Oh, Kyler. Kylerler i don't know who i would
take number two i i might be unpopular i might be watson i just think he's a better player i think
it's perfectly reasonable i think he's a better player than those guys i think wilson if mahomes
is the best quarterback in football maybe rogers is second wil Wilson, Watson are three and four to me.
It's going to depend
like do
the Texans trade to Sean
Watson somewhere where he's playing
in a good offense with good receivers?
Do they placate him by
signing Alan Robinson or Chris
Godwin or one of those guys?
He can very easily be number two.
Arguably, the best
stretch of his career came with
Brandon Cooks and a bunch of nobodies.
A bunch of guys who literally could not get on the field.
It was also
without Bill O'Brien. It was.
Well, you won't have Bill O'Brien this year, presumably.
I don't think he's going to play at Alabama.
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Good afternoon, Dwight, Jim, and Michael.
I guess I'm probably Michael.
I have the fifth pick in a dynasty rookie draft.
Who would you target in that area?
It's PPR, and it's a 2QB league.
The weak spots on my team would be, in this order,
quarterback, tight end, running back, wide receiver,
in order from worst to best.
So quarterback is weakest,
followed by tight end, running back, wide receiver. So what worst to best. So quarterback, he's weakest, followed by tight end, running back, wide receiver.
So what do you guys, you know, quick,
I don't know, look at a mock draft if you need to.
PPR, two QB league, fifth pick.
What are we looking at there?
The problem is your biggest needs are the two places
where it's harder to make an impact
as a rookie, QB, and tight end.
I would think maybe
depending on how, if it's a real need at QB, like you're
looking long term and you just don't have anyone,
then I think either Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence because
both of them have profiles that could make them incredibly valuable
fantasy quarterbacks. And this is man.
If you don't run in 2021 and beyond,
given the guys who are coming into the NFL this year and the,
the rushing ability that they have,
it may just be Aaron Rogers and nobody else who doesn't run among the good
fantasy quarterbacks in the future.
I just don't,
I don't think Lawrence will be there.
I don't think Lawrence will be there either I don't think Lawrence will be there either.
And the thing with fields is there are too many people that are just split on
him and too many inconsistent performances that you've got the fifth pick.
I know it's a need for you,
but do you really want to pass him up for a much more sure thing at running
back or,
or wide receiver or Kyle pits?
You might have to wait a year on,
but it could be just a total stud at tight end.
I'm not sure I'm going with a quarterback there.
I would probably,
I would just take best player available,
I think,
and then look to make a trade if you have to.
But like if Jamar Chase is there,
like I don't think Devante Smith will be there,
but I think regardless of context,
you know,
heading in right now,
based on what we know,
I,
I feel like there's probably a,
a top four not
including the quarterbacks i think it's probably naji harris jamar chase davante smith and travis
in some order at etn etn etn kind of like an atm machine etn he is so freaking good by the way
like if he were there at five you know you'd have to take him over a quarterback or a tight end.
Unless Trevor Lawrence is there. I think it's one of those
four guys or if Lawrence is there.
That's right. That's PPR. That's 2QB
league. All right. From
Jason
Dispenegatus.
He even gave me the
phonetics that I still
can't pronounce this guy's name. I mean, it's right there.
I'll just say it. That's the whole point.
Yeah, but he didn't tell me which syllable to emphasize.
Like, he's got to put one of those syllables in caps.
The spinogitis?
The spinogitis?
You say them all exactly the same.
Dispinogitis?
No, there's always an emphasis.
No, not this name.
Okay.
Dear Tom, Chris, Rob, Mike, and Cameron. Tom, Chris, Rob, Mike, and Cameron.
Tom, Chris, Rob, Mike, and Cameron.
No idea.
I'm the commissioner,
and I, as well as other managers,
would like to switch our league
from a standard draft slash waiver wire priority
over to an auction and fab league
or a salary cap and fab league.
The wrinkle is that it's a three-player max keeper league.
How do I accommodate the values for some players
like Darren Waller in the fifth round,
Eckler in the third, McCaffrey in the second?
Do I just...
Oh, Tom, Chris, Rob, Mike, and Cameron are Bucs players.
Thank you, Ben Schrager.
So, yeah, he wants to go from standard format
to a auction slash Fab, sorry, salary cap slash Fab.
But you've got these keeper values.
Is there any way to translate Darren Waller in the fifth and give him a
dollar value?
Um,
you're going to sign a dollar value to a draft slot.
Yeah.
And then whatever that slot was,
where they were,
where they were drafted or,
or kept the previous year.
That's the simplest way to do it.
And if you want to use...
Now, I don't know how soon you're doing it, but once we
have auction values,
you could just use our top 200
to establish the value for
a draft slot. That's a good idea.
Okay, from Timothy.
I have a tough keeper decision to make.
Half PPR, 12 team,
one keeper league, and I have the 12th pick in the draft.
My three options are Camara, 12th overall,
Diggs or Akers, 60th overall.
Half PPR, 12 team league, Camara, 12th,
or Diggs or Akers, 60th.
I think I'd go Diggs.
Yeah, I mean, it's a classic question of I think I'd go Diggs. Yeah.
I mean,
it's,
it's the,
it's a classic question of,
do you take the best value of the best player?
Um,
I have Camara as the number two overall player.
So getting him at the 12th pick is pretty awesome.
Like there's no way you're going to get Alvin Camara at the 12th pick.
You're going to get a significantly worse player.
And yeah.
All right.
So he,
so he says digs,
what would you say?
I think I probably go digs just cause a second rounder for a,
for the fifth round pick is,
you know,
probably a slightly better value.
Also the thing I'm thinking about here to jump in 12th pick is really
24th pick.
So that's quite a value on Camara for Chris's two to 24.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Whoever's available at the 12th pick
is going to be worse than your standard 12th overall pick.
So I think that makes me lean Kamara.
That's a good point, Ben.
Well, no, but wait, hold on.
Not necessarily because some of the players
who are going to be kept
are not going to be kept in the first round.
They're not going to be kept for a first round pick
and they're not going to be first round values.
They could be like J.K. Dobbins
in the eighth round or something like that, you know?
Right, but every team's...
If every team, I guess, you're only keeping one.
You're keeping one,
but you're not necessarily
giving up your first-round pick.
I still think I go with Kamara.
I like this last question.
It's about dynasty trades.
I'm going to save it
for the beginning of another show
or early on in another show
because it's an interesting topic.
This guy traded Josh Kelly
and James Robinson
early in the season.
One was a great trade.
One was a terrible trade.
How can you kind of know
what to do in those situations?
Who's going to end up being legit and whatnot?
So I think it's a good question from Steven,
and I'm going to try to save it for another episode.
Thanks a lot, everybody.
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