Fantasy Football Today - Early Sleepers! (06/12 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Need a great pick late in your draft? Today's episode will certainly be helpful! We've got our early sleepers as Jamey and Heath give you their favorites at the start of the show. Samaje Perine is someone we're excited about, and Zach Charbonnet has huge potential. We also have a list of mutual sleepers (9:15) which includes Nico Collins ... News and notes (18:00) as Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs remain unsigned and Elijah Moore is turning heads in Cleveland. Then we get the rest of Heath's sleepers (25:50) including a fairly bold take on Antonio Gibson ... On to Jamey's sleepers at running back (35:45), wide receiver (44:15), quarterback (50:00) and tight end (54:50). We discuss the Dolphins and Eagles backfields, Elijah Mitchell, Gabe Davis, the Ravens WRs, Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Sam Howell, Juwan Johnson, Dalton Kincaid and more ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Let's get an early look at some sleepers right now. Welcome to another week of fantasy football today. We've got a busy week for you. Sleepers, breakouts, busts, plus some dynasty talk. FFT in five is coming at you with Chris Towers. He's back. I'm Adam Azer.

Jamie Eisenberg's here. Heath Cummings is here. Guys, Samaj P. Ryan in his last two seasons with Cincinnati. Six games with nine or more carries. 14 or more PPR fantasy points in all six games. Elijah Mitchell, he's another guy we're going to talk about here. In the last six games that he played with McCaffrey, he had almost the same amount of carries.

So we're going to talk about that. How's it going, guys? Weekendometer, zero to ten. Jamie? Nine and a half. Excellent. Heath? Ten. Okay, good. Jamie? Nine and a half. Excellent. Heath? Ten.

Okay, good. You? You know, seven and a half. This was pretty boring. We really didn't do anything. But we got a big weekend coming up. We got a three-day weekend. No show next Monday.

Going to the beach. Going to the pool. So I was just saving up. We're saving my energy. All right. Give me your favorite sleeper right now as of June 12th. This will change. Heath, you can go first.

My favorite sleeper right now as of June 12th. I mean, I think you said him. It's Samaj P. Ryan. I chose all my sleepers, guys, that were outside of the top 100. I think you can use a variety of different ways to look at that. But the first 96 picks of the top 100. I think you can use a variety of different ways to look at that. But if the first 96 picks of the first eight rounds right now, P Ryan, I think in around nine or around 10 pick, and that would definitely go up if we get the clear Javante Williams is not going to be ready for week one. But I think it's more likely that we go through training camp kind of

with a little bit of fuzziness as to what Javante Williams status is. There's going to be some really good reports. There's going to be some more cautious reports. And we're just going to have to see when we get to real football how he performs. So I think that gives P. Ryan an excellent chance of remaining a sleeper all through training camp. And even if Javante Williams plays week one, I still wouldn't expect Williams to be a full-time feature back. He wasn't a full-time feature back in college.

He wasn't a full-time feature back when he was sharing with Melvin Gordon. Samaj P. Ryan was flat out better than Joe Mixon at times last year. And I think he's going to have that nine to 10 carries per game most of this season. Yeah, he was so much better than Joe Mixon. It was crazy. Mixon had two games all season in which he scored more than 19.3 PPR fantasy points, and that's the fewest amount of points that P. Ryan scored in his three games as a featureback. He scored 30 points, 19 points, 21.5 points if I'm rounding. Well, rounding for two of those anyway. So, yeah, he was great.

He just has the tendency to score. You know, I gave you that stat earlier, five of six games, six games with nine or more carries in the last two years, 14 or more PPR points in every game. Well, he did score in five of those six games, so you don't know what to make of it. All right, I know that was actually a sleeper for Jamie, too. He likes Samaj P. Ryan just outside the top 100,

but Jamie, give me another sleeper that you want to highlight. I'll stay with the running backs and go with Zach Charbonnet, just based on the opportunity that he may or may not have, or hopefully may have, but you know, depending on how, uh, when Ken Walker's healthy, when he's still on the field. But I think there's a scenario similar to Denver. If we don't get, if we have, if we have Ken Walker missing anytime, you know what this offense is still going to be. I think it's still going to be a situation where they're going to run the ball enough that Charbonnet will have an opportunity. But I think even in, in, in a situation where they're going to run the ball enough that Charbonnet will have an opportunity but I think even in in in a situation where based on their draft uh draft position of taking

Charbonnet in round two that they're going to use him and you know get an opportunity to see if maybe he is better than Ken Walker so he's going to be on a lot of my teams I was torn when you were asking you know when you asked the question between Charbonnet and Quentin Johnson because I I think both guys if they get the chance to be featured you know based on injuries they could be pretty special in their respective offenses. So, you know, those are the type of players that you want, you know, the, the, the guys that you don't necessarily have to rely on, but if you do and they get opportunities, they could be league winners. And so Charbonnet and Quinn Johnson were the two that popped the man. Yeah. It's interesting this time of year, we may have been talking about Ken Walker as a sleeper because he was going, I mean, I don't know, round eight to 10, depending on your draft,

and Rashad Penny, he did need an injury to Rashad Penny, and then he became a must-start fantasy star. So right now, if I'm looking at Fantasy Pro's ADP, Ken Walker's RB16, and he's going in the fifth round of a 12-team league. Charbonnet is going in round nine, just outside the top 100, basically right, same range as Pirine.

Jamie, is there a scenario where both guys return that value? Where you've got, or both guys are worth starting, maybe one is a flex? Because I just don't really see that. I feel like it's got to be one or the other, or they're both going to be

basically sits and really frustrating. Could you see a scenario where both of them at least return value, Walker round five, Charbonnet round nine? Will they both return value? No.

Because one of them would have to catch a lot of passes I feel like. I don't know if I see that. I agree. I don't necessarily see it for both of them. You know, look, we're going to hear a lot of different narratives of Seattle will do this differently with the addition of Smith and the Jigba. Seattle will do that differently with the addition of Charbonnet.

And these are two players, the reason I bring up Smith and the jig was because these are two players that we really haven't seen at least I think without the the like you brought up the the Penny Walker situation we kind of knew that Rashad Penny has a hard time staying healthy so there was that understanding of why they may be invested in the running back position plus Penny was headed to free agency we've never seen two young running backs that have the ability I think to do what these two guys can do in the running back position. Plus Penny was headed to free agency. We've never seen two young running backs that have the ability, I think, to do what these two guys can do in the same back foot together for Seattle, unless I'm missing something. We've never seen a three receiver group for Seattle like this with this pedigree and proven ability before. And so I think there's just going to be something that changes in one way, shape, or form,

you know, whether it's just they're spreading the ball out in the backfield, they're spreading the ball out in the receiving core, and it's just frustrating across the board. Or we see maybe a more explosive Seattle offense that we've never seen before, which is why Geno Smith is certainly worth drafting as a starter. So I'm curious to see how it's all going to work. But no, I don't think it's going to be a situation where they both return value it's why i think ken walker around five probably makes the most sense as opposed to you know rounds three around four which is where we've seen in some drafts and i know dave is still beating the drum for you know ken walker um and and hopefully rightfully so but for me i'm looking at charbonnet first because of where he's going which is late yeah Yeah, I think there's a lot more risk, obviously, in round five than there is in round nine.

But I think there's more risk to Ken Walker that Charbonnet makes him a bust than there is that both are good or just justify their cost. Because if Charbonnet does everything as well as we think that he can, he's going to be better at catching passes than Walker, and he's going to be better in short yardage than Walker was. And that would be a terrible thing. I mean, I just turned Ken Walker into the Ben Gretsch trap back. There's always reasons teams do things.

Like, you know, we sat here before the draft and probably would have said, okay, let's go through every team. What do we think they need? What do we think that they are probably not going to do? And I don't think anybody would have said, well, I think Seattle through every team. What do we think they need? What do we think that they are probably not going to do? And I don't think anybody would have said, I think Seattle is going to go get a running back. They may, okay, this guy is available in rounds five, six, or seven. Make some sense to add depth to our team.

They went out and got a running back. It seemingly was something that they absolutely targeted. So what does that mean? Does that mean they don't trust Ken Walker? They don't love Ken Walker. They want to just, you know, make sure he's,

you know, getting through the season because he did get a little banged up last year. There's just something that was off. And that's what always makes me concerned. Yeah. All right. Well, I am not concerned about the soccer.

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Try it free at paramountplus.com slash livesports. All right, I have a list of mutual sleepers that, you know, well, Jamie gave me a list of about half of the draft, so he gave me a lot of sleepers. You asked for sleepers, I gave you. He gave me a lot, which is good, because they're all going in the same range, so we'll be able to group them.

But the mutual ones were Pirine, the Texans wide receivers, and Romeo Dobbs. So we already talked about Pirine. Let's talk about the Texans wide receivers and Romeo Dobbs. So we already talked about P Ryan. Let's talk about the Texans wide receivers. And it starts with Nico Collins. I'm sure he'll be the first one drafted. Uh, but Heath, why don't you talk about the Texans wide receivers? Who's your favorite? They're all going pretty late. So sleep, what's the sleeper appeal here? Yeah. Nico is definitely my favorite. And I think by far the odds-on favorite to lead the Texans wide receivers and targets, receptions, fantasy points, all those things. I don't know that he's the most exciting because you can get Mechie later and you can get Tank Dell. Again, redraft, you probably take him at pick 200 and nobody's taking him.

And I do think it's possible that both Mechie and Tank Dell, if everything goes right, have more upside than Nico Collins does. And so that's why I think it's interesting. I think you could see Nico Collins much more likely to be a number three wide receiver this year than either of those guys. But I'd be really surprised if Nico Collins is a top 20 wide receiver ever at any point in his career. I'm just not sure he's that special. But I do think that C.J. Stroud is a good quarterback. I do think this offensive system is going to be creative at getting guys open,

and the offense is going to be much better than it was last year. Somebody's going to see 120 to 130 targets, most likely, in the offense. Right now, Collins is the most likely, but all three, and I'm purposefully not saying Robert Wood's name. I just can't bring myself to that. It's kind of the rule that we've talked about, and I struggle with it with saying Robert Woods' name. I just can't bring myself to –

I mean, it's kind of the rule that we've talked about, and I struggle with it with Brandon Cooks too. When a guy at that age shows you that he doesn't have anything left, I think you should usually believe him. And it doesn't look like Robert Woods had anything left the last time that we saw him. So I think he's a great guy to have there with three young wide receivers that you're trying to teach how to be professional wide receivers.

But I don't think he's really in the equation it would be nico then it would be mechi then it would be tank dell but i'm pretty excited about interested in all three yeah and you know what let's throw dobs in this discussion too i'm going to read a group of wide receivers that are going in this range according to current fantasy pros average draft position and we're around wide receiver 60 right now in adp so rondale moore michael gallup darnell mooney nico collins a couple of guys on carolina jonathan mingo and adam thielen and then you've got oh romeo dobbs is in there as well i skipped right over him um so rondale moore michael gallup darnell Mooney, Nico Collins, Romeo Dobbs, pardon me, Jonathan Mingo, Adam Thielen. How high on that list does Nico Collins rank?

How many of them would you rather have ahead of Nico Collins? I think I have right now Collins and Dobbs back-to-back, and those are two guys that I target quite a bit. I think you can see the you know, the upside and the downside clearly for both of them, um, given the uncertainty of quarterback, you know, just because two unproven guys and, you know, receiving cores that are certainly wide open. So there's opportunity there, but also clearly they're, they're wide open for a reason because, you know, these teams are, you don't want to say in rebuilding mode, but you know, you can say

they're, they're receiving cores are in rebuilding mode. Um, to me, it's Collins and Dobbs, you know, you can say they're, they're receiving cores are in rebuilding mode. Um, to me, it's Collins and Dobbs, you know, and I think there's a lot of similarities between the Texans receiving core and the Panthers receiving core, because again, you know, there's just a lot of targets available, but uncertainty abound with quarterback and receiver play. Um, but yeah, I, I think he said it best about the Texans guys and, you know, just to put Dobbs in the conversation, you know, we saw some very positive things in the beginning of the season. You're hearing very positive things coming out of the relationship between

Jordan Love and Dobbs and Minicamp. But, you know, they have another young receiver in Reed that might, you know, take away those opportunities. And obviously Christian Watson, we're expecting him to be the best of the bunch. So it's just a matter of, you know, I think the pricing feels right. You know, when you get to this point in the draft, especially receiver heavy drafts, if these guys are still available based on their target shares and target potential, they're easy guys to draft. And then you just, you know, if you have to punt on them at some point least in the Carolina and Houston situations, you've got an opportunity to drop the number down to a hundred, you know, getting, getting a wide receiver in this range, the 60th range, a hundred plus targets for, you know, the, the Panthers guys, the Texans guys, you know, I'm going to say that the Packers guys, but obviously not Christian Watson, because we expect them to be more than that. Um, the giants guys are in this range.

You know, I mean, there's, there's just a lot of targets available. And so it's just, you take those dart throws and just, if one hits, if Tank Dell hits, if, you know, Isaiah Hodgins hits, if Nico Collins hits, you know, I mean, they're easy, not league winners, because I think he said it best. I don't think these guys are top 20 type of players. You know, it'd probably take a special season for that to happen happen but there's certainly great potential here for a good wide receiver three i will say something else like i think there's i know we don't think there's the upside to be the number one in green bay because christian watson's got that locked up and but i think there's almost more upside of the idea that if cj str or Bryce Young bursts onto the scene, I think they have more upside as passers than Jordan Love does. If you're telling me that Jonathan Mingo becomes the true number one for Bryce Young and he hits his potential in year one, that could be a special

season for both those guys. Same thing for Tank Dell, who CJ Stroud requested in the draft and wanted the team to go get. If CJ Stroud goes out and has a great rookie season for a quarterback and tank dell is working the slot and his top target earner it could be a monster payoff yeah are we underselling jordan love a little bit though with that i don't maybe um i don't think he has the same the same pedigree or upside as young and Stroud, but some people might, I can, I would agree with you a hundred percent,

but I think like to, to, to completely downplay. Cause I think that's the, the, the perception is, is Jordan love can't do that or can't get there. He still was a first round pick that was drafted into a situation where he

knew he had to sit unless the Packers or they know they're going to sit him. Unless the Packers are going to move on from Aaron Rodgers. Like, imagine if, you know, I mean, even Mahomes. Mahomes had to sit for a year because they knew that situation. You know, so maybe it is, and I know that's going to sound crazy that Jordan Love becomes that, but that's not the case. But, you know, maybe Jordan Love does have this ability to,

I would hope, be better or at least on par with those guys. And where would he be if he was in this class? Well, I think if he were in this class, I think Andy Reid would know who he was. So he's got to get that. He's got to get that first. I just think it's interesting because Love has an advantage over Stroud and Young in that he's not a rookie. We've seen that matters, that sitting and the experience and all that stuff.

But I'm not 100% sold that Jordan Love is going to be better than Kenny Pickett is this year. Fair. You shouldn't be. I agree. You're 100% right. I mean, especially because you figure they're going to run the ball quite a bit in Green Bay.

They're going to try anyway. Right um but he does know his system he does have you know some familiarity with his receivers because he's played with them at least you know so we'll see okay let's take a quick break when we come back we'll tell you which two fantasy stud running backs might hold out we'll tell you that right after this. step to keep your team and community safe. Visit OntarioOneCall.ca and avoid unnecessary damages to get the job done right. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. You probably figured it out, but Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs, they are still unsigned. The franchise tag was placed on them. But Barkley said he's not sure if they're going to get a deal done by the July 17th deadline. He did

not rule out holding out. And indications seem to be that the situation could be a little bit worse in Las Vegas with Josh Jacobs, just based on his rhetoric. It's been a little bit more pessimistic here. Jamie, what do we need to know about these two situations for Barkley and Jacobs?

I think it'd be very surprising if they did not play. I know Barkley sort of indicated sitting out the year is not out of the realm of possibility, but I, you know, hopefully Le'Veon Bell's situation taught us and taught him that that might not be the best thing, despite the fact that Le'Veon still got paid. It didn't lend itself to being a good career move long-term. There's still time. I would hope that the Giants and Barkley can come to some sort of agreement.

We clearly see what this position has become. It has been completely devalued. It's understandable why, uh, on the NFL side of things, it sucks for running backs and the people that the people that play that position. Um, it certainly is bothersome for fantasy managers because we rely on that position so much and those players so much. So you'd like to see them compensated because we root for them. Uh, however, you know, the, the, the situations being what they are, I would be very surprised

if they don't play. I think they have to make a stand to a certain degree, but the Raiders, the Giants, um, they, I don't want to say they have options because you don't want to necessarily turn to what's out there because clearly those guys that are out there for a reason, Zeke, Fournette, Dalvin Cook, some of it is monetary, some of it is circumstances. But in any event, look, I hope that we get them in camp.

I hope that we get them by week one and it's all settled. Yeah. Was that you, Heath, who clicked on that comment? That was. Yeah, I thought you would enjoy that. No, and I DM, and I don't know if you guys might disagree with me, but I'm planning on buying the dip. If these guys

don't show up for the first week of camp and their ADP falls, I just can't believe they saw how it worked out for Le'Veon and that's the plan they're going to follow. I also agree with everything Jamie said about why they're upset. That's justified, but eventually they're just going to play, probably. They don't

make as much money as other positions. However, just to take the other side, if Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs sign their franchise tags, they will make $10 million this year. Most people listening to this will never make $10 a year. That's absurd.

I'm just saying, they're fine. Don't ever do that again. No, they're fine. They're fine. They're fine. They could retire right now and be fine. Watching this, that would be so happy to have that, is not talented and cannot do that.

They deserve it. I'm not saying they don't. I'm just not crying for them because they're going to be paid. No one is crying for them. But first off, they still have to sign that deal and play on that deal to get that money. Of course. I'm not criticizing them. I'm just saying like $10 million is a lot of money.

They've already made plenty of money. Don't do that. This is your worst take. I'm not going to put it in the Twitter. This is by far your worst take. My take is that $10 million is a lot of money. That's a bad take? No.

Let's try and put this in perspective here. If you were hosting a podcast with a bunch of Forbes billionaires, and they were getting paid that way because they were on the show. But because you as the host, because anybody could host a podcast, because you as the host are not getting paid to the same level, would you be happy about that? Wait, I'm sorry. What was your question? You're hosting a show of, let's say, everybody else on the show is a millionaire.

I'm trying to use a different scenario because I don't want people to think that we make such money. I think you could even just go a little bit different. Let's say one other guy on the show is extremely mediocre at his job, but they just gave him $25 million. Just mid as can be. They gave him more than that.

And they gave him $30 million. And then people are telling you who are clearly better at what you do and more important to the show, people are telling you, you should just be happy with $10 million. It's a lot of money. I'm not saying that they don't have a right to be upset. I'm just saying they're going to make $10 million this year. That's not bad. That's not bad.

Okay. It's both sides. They're playing both sides. Anyway, more news. DeAndre Hopkins is going to visit Tennessee and New England this week. If you had to choose between those two... He's already in Tennessee. Oh, that's today. Okay. He posted a

video on Instagram of him in what looks like a limo driving through Tennessee. Okay. Which team would you prefer, Titans or Patriots? Go, real quick, go. For him? Yeah. So we get to decide how much money he's going to make?

If I were him, I'd go to Tennessee, if that's the choice. He's made a lot more than $10 million. I don't even know why he still expects to be paid. He should just be – the Cardinals are already paying him $20 million for this year when they cut him. He should just be offering to play for free. Chiefs. Aaron Rodgers said that Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson could at some point be the best

cornerback and wide receiver in the NFL. I praise. Zach Jackson of the Athletics says that Cleveland wide receiver Elijah Moore has lined up all over the formation, so not just in the slot. He was the most targeted player throughout the open practices, and he's an easy pick as an early breakout candidate. Well, to be fair, I don't think Amari Cooper spent a lot of time on the practice field because he's coming back from an injury, so factor that in.

And I don't know if David Njoku was there either. So both those guys are going to be, I think, pretty big factors. Right. And DeAndre Hopkins isn't there yet either. He's going everywhere. He's got to be the best offseason of any player. Vikings offensive coordinator Wes Phillips said that running back Ty Chandler has to be ready for an expanded role. So would he be your second favorite, Ty Chandler, behind Madison? I would guess he's going to eventually settle in

as the number two guy going into the season. But I still think we're going to see a backfield by committee overall. But certainly if there is a Alexander Madison missing time situation, then I think we'll see Chandler, Nuwagnu, and McBride all getting a chance to split that role. Okay, a couple more notes here.

Tim Twentyman of DetroitLions.com, he said that rookie tight end Sam Laporta has gotten a lot of targets and a lot of red zone targets. And we already talked about Zach Charbonnet, but Greg Bell of the News Tribune said that don't be surprised by Zach Charbonnet's playing time and opportunities. Okay?

What if they just don't play any tight ends? They just play two running backs and three wide receivers all the time? Be set. No idea what they're going to do, but we're going to talk about Geno Smith shortly. So, Schaefer, we got a promo to run. You ready?

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That's a pretty good football, eh? He scores all the way to the house. It's the Canadian Football League, Friday on CBS Sports Network. All right. Sleepers. Heath, the rest of your sleepers are Antonio Gibson, the Bears running backs. Jamie had Rashawn Johnson on his list.

And David Njoku. Antonio Gibson. Go ahead and make the case for Gibson. All of these guys, by the way, outside the top 100. Some of them well outside. Antonio Gibson, go. Yeah, I don't think Antonio Gibson should be anywhere close to the top 100. I think he should probably be in round 8, maybe even in round 7. I mean,

it should be outside the top 100 at all. I said that backwards, but there's been a lot of talk in Washington about the offense that Eric Biennium is going to run. I think there was a really clever headline there increasing their screen time, and it was not about iPhones. A lot of plans for screens in this offense. And I don't believe that Brian Robinson is going to be on the receiving end of most of those screens. I do think it will be Antonio Gibson. Ron Rivera seems to like Gibson a lot more now that Scott Turner is gone. I'm not sure that Brian Robinson is going to fully dominate

the early down work either. I actually like Gibson as my favorite Washington running back. And I think he has a decent chance to be a low end number two. Ooh, you think he should be Gibson should be around eight pick, huh? Or earlier. Oh, wow. That's hot. That's hot. Jamie, what do you think? No, I don't disagree with that, especially in PPR.

I think you could see a situation where this, if Ron Rivera lets Eric Bien-Ami run the offense that he wants to run, and this is not an Andy Reid, Eric Bien-Ami situation. This is just more of a Ron Rivera saying, I'm a defensive guy. We have to, you know, ground and pound our way to a 12, 11 victory. Um, I, I think Gibson makes a lot of sense and it's just a matter of does this now no expectations. Cause we put a lot of expectations on Antonio Gibson as fantasy analysts and fantasy managers and fans players. Does the lack of expectations and buying the dip on Gibson make a lot of sense? I don't want to overvalue him. I still think Robinson will be the first and second down guy,

and I think Robinson might surprise us a little bit in the passing game if they use him in that capacity. But Gibson is going to be one of the better number four running backs that you will take because not only will he factor in in tandem with robinson if robinson gets hurt then i think we could see him really take off would you take antonio gibson over james connor no no james connor should should be going in like round four though so if i were doing a sleeper's list connor would be the first guy on my sleepers list. But he's not going in round four. He's going in round like six or six.

Oh, he's going 85th. So that's why I put him in there with Gibson. Would you take? I mean, let's also keep in mind that most of the fantasy pros ADP we're looking at is best ball. Well, it's just the running. The wide receivers get pushed up pretty high in the running backs fall. But would you take Gibson or James Cook? Cook.

I have them back-to-back, but I have Cook one spot higher. Okay. Another guy you want to talk about is, well, the Bears. You guys can both talk about this here. The Bears running backs. Are they all going late enough where the value doesn't really matter you just take the one you like best because they're all like I said let's see when's Khalil Herbert going well I think I

think there's a like the kind of it depends on how deep your draft is like you know in a draft where it's 15 rounds and you're picking a defense and a kicker then yeah they're probably all going close enough to where it's just whichever one you like better if it's a 20 round best ball draft i think there's a significant difference between where they're going but i do they're all under valued i've got khalil herbert in round eight i've got deontay foreman in round 10 and i don't i think it's actually herbert that's going in round 10 and foreman is going like in round 15 or round 16. i i my expectation and we'll see how roshon Johnson mixes in, is that it's kind of going to be a competition between Herbert and Foreman. I think Herbert's getting the first crack at it, but one of those

guys will have that 15 carry per game role, and one of them will be a back out to that role, and then Roshon Johnson's eventually going to take the pass catching role that Travis Homer will probably do early in the year. Sometimes we look at a backfield and we go, you know what, I'm just avoiding it. Does anybody feel that way about the Bears? Not at this cost. Not at this cost, no.

Okay. And Herbert is, for Heath, the highest rank. Jamie, Herbert the highest rank for you? Yeah, Herbert's the highest rank. Look, I think we're all hoping, based on what we saw from Herbert in the two games that David Montgomery missed last year and the times that they've used him a little bit more extensively, that he's the one that takes off. For me, the second one is Roshon Johnson,

mostly because I think this is the type of player that got buried in college behind a very talented running back. And I think we'll show some things in the NFL that we did not expect. And so I'm more excited about him than I am Foreman. And so he's the one that I would take a shot on first. I almost think that Foreman is going to be kind of in a similar role where they're not going to use him unless there's an injury to Herbert. And then he gets an opportunity unless Roshan Johnson is just that good. And so I don't, I don't really have a lot of stock. Uh, I don't really want to have a lot of stock in Foreman unless it's just, you know, last round pick. I'll take a flyer on somebody that may stand out in this backfield. But I think for me, Herbert is the one you look at,

especially if he continues to fall. Or Roshon Johnson, based on cost, is the one that I'm going to have the most share of. Okay, a couple of comments in the chat here. I'm surprised Heath didn't click on this one. Heath kind of looks like Christian Bale. Okay. It's just a different every season.

It's a new celebrity. And I did not expect Christian Bale to be the It's just a different, every season, it's a new celebrity. And I did not expect Christian Bale to be the celebrity this year, but let's go with it. Let's keep that one. Adam's hair looks like it's peel and stick. I don't know what that means, but. Are you at wig territory yet? I mean, I guess so. No.

Well, it looks like it apparently. I can see kind of, it's not sitting well today, so it looks a little fake. I get that. All right, last sleeper for Heath is David Njoku. All right, so go ahead, David Njoku. Well, this goes back to the, I think you have to believe in the tight end buckets to believe in David Njoku. Oh, good. I'm glad you said that.

I have to put it in my notes. I have to call you out on something. Okay, go ahead. I'm very excited. You can talk about Njoku first. I don't remember which thing it was, but Kevin Stefanski's offense has pretty consistently had a role for pass-catching tight ends, usually multiple pass-catching tight ends. We saw Njoku stay healthy last year for the most part, played 14 games, and really stepped into the the lead role earning 80 targets in those 14 games i think all the signs that the browns have given us this offseason is that they are going to live and die on deshaun watson and throw the ball a lot more and so i i think there's

a chance that joku's targets actually go up despite the fact they added elijah moore and drafted some wide receivers and he was basically a low-end top 10 tight end last year. If Deshaun Watson is Deshaun Watson again, and they throw the ball a league average number of times, not even a lot, then Joku has a good chance to be a top five tight end. He averaged the same amount of points as Evan Ingram and doesn't get discussed even close.

And Ingram's getting Calvin Ridley added. So they're not even close in terms of the way they're evaluated and discussed, at least in my opinion, Ingram and David Njoku. It's just weird. It's like I have a hard time drafting. What's his upside? What's Njoku's upside? I think I just said if Deshaun Watson is Deshaun Watson

and they throw the ball a league average number of times, he could be a top five tight end. You said that? Literal words that came out of my mouth. On this show you said it? This is why I'm not a billionaire. I don't know. Top five, it seems kind of rich.

But okay, actually it doesn't seem rich because top five is not that big to do. What do you think his upside is though? So anyway, let me call you out on something now that I'm completely embarrassed. You said on the previous show you were Adam's Bull predictions. You didn't buy that Jameer Gibbs could be a top five running back. And you said, oh, what are they going to do? Laporta and Jamison Williams and all these targets. What are they going to do?

Running back buckets. Someone said it on YouTube. This goes completely, that argument you made goes completely against everything you ever say to me, which is position buckets. That's my response to that, that complaint about my Jameer Gibbs bowl call. I think you were projecting a lot more catches for Jameer Gibbs than DeAndre

Swift had. I was projecting about 70, 70 to 80. And Swift was kind of on pace to be like close to 60. So not a lot more. So you were expecting the bucket to grow. And I was saying it'd be difficult for it to grow when they've added more weapons at other places. Yeah, whatever. All right, Jimmy Buckets losing tonight, Nuggets in five.

That was another bold prediction I made, okay, when it was 1-1. Don't you forget it, people. We'll take a break here. When we come back, we'll talk about Jamie's sleepers right after this on Fantasy Football today. All right, we're going to break them out into positions. We always start with quarterback. Let's start with running back here.

Jamie gave me a whole list of sleepers. Samaje Pirine was one of them. The Dolphins running backs. Zach Charbonnet. Between Pirine. The Dolphins running backs, Zach Charbonnet. Between Pirine, the Dolphins running backs, Zach Charbonnet, who is your favorite right now? Well, again, you asked me this question and I told you Zach Charbonnet. All of them? No, I did not ask you that. But you said, you gave a blanket statement. Who's your favorite?

Yeah, but that was after Pirine was off the board That P. Ryan was off the board at that point. I think let's talk about the Dolphins, guys, because let's assume Dalvin Cook does not go there. Then you have a very wide open backfield that could be a lot of fun if one guy does stand out and stays healthy. And I think it's a little disrespectful to Raheem Mostert that we harp you know, harp on the, the injury situation for him.

He did only miss one game last year. So to his credit, first time with a new team and past age 30, he stayed healthy. That being said, we expect him to get hurt. So, you know, if he, if he does, um, if he does miss any time, Jeff Wilson, to me is the most intriguing because I think think you know a chain is going to probably be the first one drafted because he's shining new toy and are you gonna hear about speed he's already got one great positive report uh from otas i think it was in sports illustrated they said he looked just different out there his speed stood out you know amongst the the group

but again shorts and t-shirts so i i want to see if Dalvin Cook does not end up in Miami, what they do, who gets the first carry in the first training camp practice. I really want to see what, what, what they do, you know, is it the veteran, you know, honor roll of most gets the first touch and then Wilson and HN, and they sort of work it in that way. Do they give HN the opportunity to be the starter? It's almost similar to the Bears situation. You take the last one of the group, and that might end up being the best one of the group. It's almost like what we used to say about the 49ers running backs.

Right, but also you take the last one. You could end up with a group that's just not worth having. Is this one where you say, eh, I'm just going to avoid it? I guess not. Yeah, I don't know about you, Jamie, right is this is this one where you say i'm just gonna avoid it i guess not yeah i just yeah i i um i don't know about you jamie but like i really struggle with this group of like p ryan a chain moster wilson and charbonnet i don't know who my favorite is that's not fair first of all i didn't include the dolphins in that original question and p ride was off the board so what you're taking

now who are you taking first charbonbonnet or P-Ride? P-Ride. Okay, so P-Ride would be your favorite. So that question was not answered earlier. All right, let's talk about Rashad, Penny, and Damian Harris. Who do you prefer? They're going back to back right now, 111, 112.

Rashad, Penny, Damian Harris. I prefer Harris, mostly because I still want to believe in DeAndre Swift. And I know what happens to Rashad Penny, unfortunately, which has been a problem in his career. But I think if Penny ends up being

at least in the 50-50 timeshare with DeAndre Swift in the beginning part of the season, he may pull away from Swift if he stays healthy and can have the type of season we've been waiting for him to have because that offensive system is so good. And we saw what Miles Sanders did last year. You don't have to catch a lot of passes

to still be a number two running back in this team. You don't have to even be the featured goal line option because of what the quarterback does to still be a good running back on this team. Now, again, you're probably not going to be a top five guy. Top five guy, I don't know if not going to be a top five guy, top five guy. I don't mean you heard that, um, a top five guy. Um, but you know, you can still be, especially at this value, uh, a top 20 guy. And so Swift is at his own injury concerns. So Penny definitely has the higher ceiling. Cause I think, you know, unless the,

the Buffalo offense changes, which I don't think is going to change, even if Josh Allen does run less that Damien Harris is going to morph into this stud running back. He just, I think, has got a chance to be the best Buffalo running back. I would still take James Cook first, but I think Harris could be that guy based on what I think Sean McDermott wants. He wants a physical running back that can move, and that's certainly more so Damian Harris than it is James Cook. I think I like Penny better just because I think it's more likely

that Penny could give me a month of difference-making. I think Harris, if I had to bet on who's going to score more total fantasy points this year, it would be Harris. I think Harris is going to have a role and maybe even score 10 touchdowns if they take him away from Josh Allen. But I also think that Harris is going to be kind of a nightmare to decide when to start as long as James Cook is healthy. For DeAndre Swift to be worth starting, he's going to have to have more of a running game role. He's going to have to have more of a role than Gainwell and Boston Scott did last year. When you look at the Eagles, 259 carries for Miles Sanders and Gainwell had 53 and Scott had 54. Hertz had 165. But Penny, you don't see him dominating carries the way Sanders did, do you?

Be more of a split? Well, I mean, how do you know which one of them is going to get hurt first? Okay, let's say they're both healthy. That seems unreasonable. Week one, they're both healthy. I mean,

Swift is going to eat into Penny's carries more so than Gainwell and Scott did Sanders, I would think. I don't think you see Gainwell and Scott having a big role. Both those guys are healthy. No, no. Given what their abilities are. No, that's not, I'm sorry, that wasn't my question. My question is, Gainwell and Scott didn't really do anything,

didn't really eat into Miles Sanders' running role. You're saying the backup backups eating into the starter. I don't think this is a clear cut. I don't think this is a clear cut featured guy on this team if they're both healthy. Right. In other words,

Rashad Penny, if he plays 17 games, will not have 259 carries like Penny, like Sanders did. What do you think? If DeAndre Swift is healthy. If DeAndre Swift is healthy.

But I think you're going to get probably 150, 120, 100, 250 carries is healthy. If DeAndre Swift is healthy. But I think you're going to get probably 150... 120 to 150 carries between those two guys, each. I was trying to do the math on what the other guys had. And that was six

and a half carries a game, it looks like. And 15 carries for Sanders. I bet there are two more running back carries and two fewer Jalen Hurts carries this year. So maybe it's 13 and 10. Could be more Jalen Hurts passes, though. All right, next up.

I would think for sure. Let's talk about Elijah Mitchell. He played six games with Christian McCaffrey, including the postseason. And in those six games, he had, oh, how do I not have this? He had 45 carries and McCaffrey had maybe around 60. Sorry, I don't have the exact number for McCaffrey, but it was really close. Jamie, what's the sleeper pill for Mitchell? Is it just handcuff or is it more than that? It's a little bit more than that.

You know, I think you could see a situation where they run the ball so much and so successfully, especially if the quarterback situation is going to be a little bit dicey early in the season, that there's going to be an opportunity, especially as we saw early in McCaffrey's tenure in San Francisco, that the fourth quarter guy was a little bit more Elijah Mitchell, especially the clock-killing options. So it's just, are you ever going to feel comfortable starting him when McCaffrey's healthy?

No, but should McCaffrey miss any time, you know, Elijah Mitchell's capable of, we saw it in his rookie season. I'm sorry. I got the numbers wrong. My bad.

So Mitchell had 45 carries in the regular season, but he played six games with McCaffrey and tooting, including two postseason games. And McCaffrey only had five more carries than Mitchell. I don't know what you guys think about that. It was 67 carries for McCaffrey and 62 for Mitchell. I also don't remember if McCaffrey left the Dallas playoff game with an injury. I feel like he did, but I didn't see anything about it on the Google. But anyway, it was very close. And it wasn't just a garbage time thing. Garbage time was going to Jordan Mason for the most part. So I don't know. Does that increase

the sleeper appeal of Elijah Mitchell? Does it not matter? We're taking Christian McCaffrey, maybe number two overall, maybe number one overall. I think it's kind of like Chubb and Hunt, except if Chubb had taken all the passing downs. I think he's going to have a Kareem Hunt-like role in the running

game. Some weeks, that might mean two touchdowns, but he's a bi-week replacement unless McCaffrey gets hurt. Okay. Sorry to cut you off there, Jamie. I want to get to all of your players here. Let's go to your wide receivers. Oh, just other guys that Jamie likes. He talked

about Roshan Johnson, Tank Bigsby, and Jalen Warren as late-round picks. Wide receiver, Gabe Davis. These guys are all outside the top 100. Gabe Davis, Elijah Moore, Quinton Johnston. I don't know where you want to go with this. The Ravens receivers, Sky Moore. We talked about Dobbs.

We talked about the Texans. Isaiah Hodgins is basically free. So the highest-end ones are Gabe Davis, Elijah Moore, Quentin John of competition. I know they added Dalton Kincaid, but, you know, you take away what maybe Isaiah McKenzie was going to be, what they're going to get out of the other options there. And I think Davis, you know, the fact that they, at least as of now, don't have a DeAndre Hopkins, another strong outside threat. You've illustrated this better, I think,

than anybody of what he was starting to look like after the foot ankle injury that he sustained in week one prior to the LO injury for Josh Allen. And he had a couple of big spike games, wasn't a lot of targets, but a couple of big spike games, but he started to get some six target games mixed in there as well. And he's not a guy that's going to, you know, consistently get eight plus targets on a, on a weekly basis, but we know he could have a three catch 172 yard game.

He did that last year where he could just completely win a week for you. And so, you know, I think just given the free fall, by comparison, he was 60. His ADP last year was 60. And, you know, to Heath's credit, he said he would be a bust, and he was. But I think, again, the cheaper price tag that you're getting for the same player, same role, same quarterback, it's extremely worth your time to invest in Gabe Davis because you know you can get a guy that can win you a few weeks. Another one of our sleepers from today's show that I think

should be going in round eight that's going after pick 100. But, yeah, I think he's going to be better than he was last year and he's exactly he's still the same guy there's not anybody they've added that's going to impact his target i don't think and the ravens wide receivers they're all pretty much going you know in the same range as baitman the first one that's a little surprising to me baitman beckham's a Flowers is how it's being drafted right now. Actually, who did we just

say? Was it Matt Harmon who said he really liked Rashad Bateman? I might be mixing up my Beyond the Box score guess, but one of our guests really likes Bateman as a, I don't know, post-type sleeper, whatever you want to call it. Anyway, Jamie, who's the one you draft first? At this point, I would draft Flowers first, but I could see it being Bateman.

It's going to be, again, similar to what happens. It's going to be depending on what happens in camp. We're still wanting to see, I think everybody, whether you like him or not, what Beckham looks like coming off a year of missed football, especially with a new team, new quarterback. Flowers is the one i think that has i would hope at this point the most upside just based on what that term means but bateman is you know a guy that has the most rapport with lamar jackson he's a guy that we were looking at last

year somebody who's going to step into the marquis brown role or targets and and step up and he just couldn't stay healthy had the foot injury so the fact that he's healthy now you know lamar jackson should be a, should be given the opportunity based on all the reports and the new coordinator, the chance to throw the ball more. And I think all these guys will benefit. It's again, very similar to the, um, Packers, Texans, Panthers, you know, there's just not a definite guy that is going to just dominate targets. And again, factoring Christian Watson, but you know, there's, there's, there's an opportunity here to get a guy, if not three that could compete for 120 plus targets.

And why not take a chance on that? Give them the cost. Yeah. I think if Bateman is healthy, he's really being overlooked. Because he's basically played one season's worth of games. He played 18 games. One of those games, he did not record a stat, played 17% of the snaps. So basically 17 games, 61 catches, 800 yards. You never get 800 yards in your rookie year, Adam. Well, that's over two seasons.

It's over 17 games. But his thing is he's not been able to stay healthy. I think if he's able to stay healthy, he's a first-round pick. Always crazy, but always fact. That's just an Acer stat. That's right. He could still be every good. The Ravens thought he could be when they drafted him.

It is 900 yards in your rookie season. Close. Not that close. Give me 30 seconds on Isaiah Hodgins, Jamie. Give me 30 minutes on Isaiah Hodgins, actually. Give me 30 minutes on Isaiah Hodgins, actually. He's going to be an outside receiver for the Giants, and they don't really have a lot of those. And so between him and Darius Slayton,

I think you saw last year that Daniel Jones and Hodgins had a good rapport after he came over to the Giants from Buffalo. And so, again, he's like, what, picked 221 or something like that? He's in the 200s on ADP right now. Based on the way he finished and what his situation is, I like him better than Slayton, and I think he may end up being the best Giants wide receiver if Wondell Robinson's not healthy.

It does not appear that he has a single drop in his career. And he does not have a ton of catches. He only has 37. That is sort of his reputation. He just catches everything. He's a reliable player, and that is 30 seconds on Isaiah Hodgins just catches everything. He's a reliable player. And that is 30 seconds on Isaiah Hodgins.

I mean, that's pretty good. 37 catches without a drop. He's been in the league for three seasons. He's been in the league for three seasons, and he does not have a drop in his career over 37 catches. Well, two seasons where he's actually played. Well, played is tough. He was in one game.

Yes. He basically did not play his first two years after being drafted. I think no drops is impressive. I don't know about you, but I like no drops. It really is. Yeah. But does he have top five upside? I didn't ask.

I wouldn't know. And even if I did ask, I still wouldn't know. All right, quarterbacks. We've got three of them. I'll separate this into three groups. Three of them going between pick 101 and 110. Goff, Geno Smith, Russell Wilson. Jared Goff, Geno Smith, Russell Wilson.

Who's your fave? Geno Smith is my favorite. For now, Goff is second and Russell Wilson is third. But I think for Geno, you know, it's just he was really good last year. You know, now he got another new weapon and hopefully he just builds off of it. Everything out of Seattle has been very positive. The fact that they didn't draft a quarterback, I think is even more positive given the draft capital that they had.

So they believe in him. They added weapons to his receiving core. And I think he could once again be a top 12 fantasy quarterback. Why Russell Wilson third? I mean, this is the guy who's been on a hall of fame trajectory. Now he has a good coach. What do you think? I think that he looked very bad last year,

you know, and, and even when he got better without Nathaniel Hackett, it wasn't exactly like, Oh, I feel so much better about Russell Wilson now, you know? So he's got a lot to prove,

but these, these, all three of these guys, based on, you know, what two of them have showed and then what Russell Wilson still has, I think, the potential to do, when you draft an Anthony Richardson, these are easy guys to pair him with. When you miss on quarterbacks,

you take two of these guys. And so, you know, you can still have a very good season, especially if you, you know, decide to wait super flex or two QB leagues and say, okay, I'm going to punt on the position with the first probably three rounds. These are guys you can hopefully get starting in maybe late round three but round four and still feel pretty good about your team. Just a quick little fact for you here.

Geno Smith, he was the number five quarterback in fantasy, and everything I give you is going to be basically the same for four-point and six-point for passing touchdown leagues, so I'll just keep it simple. He was number eight per game, Gino Smith. But based on his points per game, he would have been number 13 per game in 2021 and number 14 per game in 2020. So it is kind of an interesting thing to evaluate Gino Smith.

Yes, he was really good last year. But based on previous season standards, the very best that we've ever seen from Gino Smith wasn't really that good. So does that matter? Or are we just sort of expecting, you know, the end of that kind of crazy good quarterback play that we had? I think that's the toughest part, not about Gino Smith, but the quarterback position this year is evaluating last year's results in light of what we had seen the three years before, because if the guys who were really fell back last year are the guys they'd been in three years before,

then there's a lot of top 12 quarterbacks, Gino Smith and Daniel Jones included that I think are may do the same thing they did and just be backups. Right. But even so though, the cost of these guys, if you have a great team and clearly injuries foreplay all those things matter in but the fact that you don't have to invest in the quarterback position and if you're

still getting a 20 plus per game score that's a pretty good situation to be in it may not be the perfect situation to be in but it's still a good situation to be in. Schaefer, can we see our FFT mascot? Can we throw him on the screen here? I mean, this is why you've got to be on YouTube. YouTube.com slash fantasyfootball today. Seriously. Holy. It is no joke the cutest dog I've ever seen in my life.

I thought you had a bear. I thought it was a panda, yeah. He's so cute. His name is Libido or something similar to that. No, you nailed it. I thought it was a panda, yeah. He's so cute. His name is Lobito or something similar to that. No, you nailed it. What is it? Lobino. He said Lobito. I did say that.

He did. Lobino means little wolf in Portuguese. Yeah, so very cute. Thank you, Shaver. Appreciate that. All right. Three more quarterback sleepers. Who's your favorite? Derek Carr, Jordan Love, Sam Howell. Howell's not going to be your favorite. He's way down the list.

I think he's so intriguing, though. He's so intriguing, though, because I mean, he ran for over 800 yards his final year in North Carolina. I mean, like, if he does that, clearly not 800 yards in the NFL, but if he runs and gives you 400 plus yards rushing, that would be insane for gives you 400 plus yards rushing,

that would be insane for what you're getting. Yeah, yeah. He's my favorite. Yeah? All right. Howell's your favorite over Carr and Love? Yep. Okay.

Carr is my favorite. Carr would be my favorite of that group, but again, I think Howell is so interesting. I want to clarify. Carr is my favorite in a two-quarterback league. Fair. But I quote am I hoping that Derek Carr does in a one-quarterback league? Maybe he could be 16.

Tight end. Tight end. Sleepers, Dalton Kincaid, Tyler Higbee, Jawan Johnson, and Sam Laporta. They are all going after pick 130. Kincaid, Higbee, Jawan Johnson, and Laporta. Your thoughts, Jamie?

I hope Kincaid does what you think he's going to do, which would be a top eight tight end. Look, again, attaching yourself to great quarterback play and not that he's going to play a traditional tight end role. Look, again, attaching yourself to great quarterback play and not that he's going to play a traditional tight end role. At least that's the expectation. So I love the upside there. Laporta has got a six game

chance to a six game audition to prove that he deserves to be in a big role without Jameson Williams there. So looking for another weapon for the Lions. And as Tim Twentyman said, looking good in the red zone. And then Jawan Johnson's got, according to reports, already developing a nice rapport with Derek Carr.

And Higby has a chance to get a lot of targets as maybe the second best receiving option for the Rams. I took Kincaid in a draft that we just did, the pick-by-pick for one of my teams. I don't know if I was the last guy to take a tight end, but I was certainly one of the last ones. And I took him in round 12, 136th overall, I believe. So with this list here, or your own sleeper list, but this list of Kincaid, Higby, Jawan Johnson, Sam Laporta,

if you're in a 12-team league and you're comfortable with one of them, you can just wait and wait and wait and wait to draft your tight end. There were actually two tight ends that went after you took Kincaid. Yes, there were, but I don't know that they were starters. They may have been backups.

I'm looking at it right now. Well, he's my starter. No, Chris took Laporta after you took Kincaid. And then he took, with his last pick, Higby. And Dave took Dolchich to pair with Coppets. Okay. Yeah, Heath had a nice little subtle dig there

on the Dalton Kincaid like that. It's fine. Yeah, look, obviously any tight end you're drafting around 12 might be someone that you're dropping. There's no guarantees there. That's it for our Sleepers episode. We will have breakouts on Wednesday's show. We will have the dynasty episode tomorrow.

And thank you very much for watching, listening everybody for Keith and Jamie, the Bino and Schaefer. I'm Adam Azar. Talk to you later.