Fantasy Football Today - Early Sleepers! Draft These Guys Late (04/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: April 1, 2024Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Some of our favorite sleepers (2:40) include... Kyler Murray, Keaton Mitchell and Chase Brown (8:15). Should Murray go ahead of C.J. Stroud? Is Brown the better value in the Bengals backfield? ... News and notes (15:15) and Fantasy Cops (19:00) and then it's back to the sleepers. Heath reveals his sleepers (22:00) with Will Levis, Demario Douglas and Dalton Schultz making the list. Who are some other tight ends that could eventually join this list? Plus Heath has plenty more names for you to know ... Moving on to Jamey's sleepers (38:10) as we talk about Jerome Ford's potential, a trio of young wide receivers and more. We also bring up a terrible comment by Shafer (44:40) and Dave's list of sleepers (47:30) including a couple of Giants WRs, Isaiah Likely and Jaleel McLaughlin ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Will Levis is throwing to two former stud receivers.
Maybe they still have a lot left in the tank.
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You know, we love that.
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We welcome you to Fantasy Football today.
On a Monday morning, Adam Azer, Jamie Isenberg, Heath Cummings here.
What's up, guys? You know, I
believe in accountability
on this show.
And I need to correct
something that I said last week. It's been gnawing
at me since Thursday.
Yeah.
Roadhouse was not a
good movie. And I don't want to
be on the record as the guy who said it was. So I apologize for that terrible, terrible assessment last week. Definitely not a good movie.
Did you not finish it?
When I had spoken to you, no, I was halfway through and it was really good. And then Conor McGregor showed up and the whole movie just nosedive it was so bad it wasn't just
him it was just like everything got so stupid so what you had watched at that point conor mcgregor
was not on screen yet only for a moment i basically stopped it right after he made his entrance um
and like he wasn't great but it was just like the whole movie got so dumb after that so i don't want
to be the one who told you that roadhouse was good because that would be definitely in the Heath Cummings thread of Acer terrible takes.
I could be wrong because I don't really quite understand the distribution of movies these days.
But if something goes straight to streaming, is that probably an indication that's bad not it not necessarily
but it's not good jb it's not good all right let's talk about i mean you know it used to be
like direct video was obviously a sign that it was not going to do well in the theaters and it
was bad right like it's direct to streaming now like we're past covid and we're past the pandemic
like if it doesn't go to a theater first yeah i think no i don't think that's what i i don't think so no i yeah i think i think now i i kind of feel like you might be
right about that but i don't know was that the right i didn't even know that it was direct to
streaming that makes a lot of sense okay let's let's talk about some sleepers uh heath you want
to give me two of your favorite sleepers as of right now april 1st yeah and just just to get
this out of the way so like how are you defining a sleeper?
I went and looked at our most recent mock draft and looked for guys who were taken after pick 100.
So guys who I think are going to be better than that, and the one who stood out the most,
and maybe it's unfair because it's at the quarterback position, but Kyler Murray.
I still believe that Kyler Murray could be a top
five fantasy quarterback, especially if he gets Marvin Harrison Jr. and he gets back to running
the way that he was. This is a guy who could rush for 800, 900 yards, throw for 4,000. We've seen
that type of upside before and might have one of the best wide receivers in the NFL on his team
in just about, what, a month and a half?
Or just a little less than a month.
And then number two, you mentioned him, I would say Keaton Mitchell.
On that Devon Aitken strand, he's moved down a little bit
because of the arrival of Derrick Henry,
but still the incredible upside, those backs that can take,
and we saw Kamara do this early in his career,
can take 15 touches a game, do this early in his career can take
15 touches a game and they're so efficient that they could turn that into top 12 production
i do think mitchell is that type of back it might be a second half type of the season but we saw
brooke breeze hall was basically an rb1 after the first month of the season coming off the acl so
it's not impossible right keep mitchell with the with the ac injury. That was in December. So a late injury for him.
And Kyler Murray, yeah, it's weird.
It's like, is anybody going to have the guts?
Not you, but in the entire industry,
is anybody going to rank Kyler Murray as a top six quarterback?
I mean, I think maybe after the NFL draft.
But he's shown that he can be that, as you said, Heath.
It's gotten easier because we're less excited
about Trevor Lawrence.
Justin Herbert fell behind him.
It might just take a couple more guys moving down,
but no, he won't be a sleeper anymore
if we start ranking him as top six quarterback.
The beauty of Kyler Murray right now
is the top five upside,
maybe even top three upside at the cost of QB 10. Right. But to rank him top six, you have to value
him more than either one of Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow, which isn't happening. I don't think he's
going to get drafted ahead of CJ Stroud. And then I think he's in that mix fairly. So, uh, with
Anthony Richardson, Brock Purdy, Jordan love, you know, so that's, I think where he's in that mix fairly so uh with anthony richardson brock purdy jordan
love you know so that's i think where he's going to live top 10 well i don't think he's going to
go ahead of burrow but you think dac prescott is in the public's perception and he's not going to
go ahead of burrow but there's it's not unjust like would i be surprised if Kyler Murray had a better season than Joe Burrow next year?
Not really.
No.
Right.
I mean, there's definitely the potential for it to happen.
But again, I'm talking about being drafted.
I don't think he's getting drafted ahead of those guys.
Yeah.
So Kyler, basically, he's another guy where he's had these partial games,
including one game he played three snaps towards ACL,
and it really hurts his per-game finish.
But for 2020, I believe it was.
Yeah, I think it was 2020, the first nine games of the year,
he was the number one quarterback in fantasy.
Then he sprained his AC joint, and his season went south,
and he's been, you know, for full seasons,
he's had two years where he's finished as a top seven guy. anyway um when he's had a great receiver he's just been phenomenal but let
me paint this scenario we'll move on from kyler after this they got the fourth pick in the draft
so many people have been saying for so long marvin harrison to the cardinals what if they trade out
from there and what if they don't end up with one of the top three receivers what if it's brian thomas or something like that instead of harrison adunze neighbors for the arizona cardinals
would you still he'd still be a sleeper but would you think he'd still have top five upside kyler
yes because he still has in my opinion an elite playmaker at a thin position in Trey McBride. And I do think that there, the thing about this draft class is yes,
it's, it's top heavy at wide receiver, but it's very deep at receiver.
And so are we going to see, and you know,
you can make all the jokes you want a tank Dell, a Puga Nakua, you know,
somebody to that level. No, it's hard to expect that. But we also, you know,
we had a draft class a few years ago where,
think about where Brandon Ayuk and Justin Jefferson were drafted,
you know, back into the first round.
So it doesn't necessarily have to be the first guy or two coming off the board
to be the best of the group.
And so you mentioned one in Thomas, you know,
there's going to be a handful of others that go in the second round.
And so they may end up with two of those guys, you know,
especially depending on the draft capital that comes back to them in the trade that they make.
So they may trade down and still get a dunce. They may trade down and get Thomas. They may trade down,
you know, miss out on, on what everybody's considering, you know, the one in the one a,
if you want to put it in that category of Harrison and neighbors, and they still may
have a very good receiving core. You know, we've Jake Sealy, and I agree. Michael Wohl, Greg Dortch will make plays.
Trey McBride obviously will make plays.
He'll make plays with his legs.
And so I'm not going to view Kyler.
I'm not going to drop Kyler because he doesn't get one of the top two or three guys.
I'm only going to like him that much more if he does.
Yeah, for the value, right.
All right, Jamie, how about a couple of your favorite sleepers?
Yeah, one is somewhat obvious, but that's Chase Brown.
He's going to be somebody I draft quite a bit of.
I've done it now two of the three drafts I think we've done in the last month.
And just excited about the opportunity.
I think Zach Moss is going to get the first crack at it.
That makes a lot of sense, bringing him in.
Zach Taylor talked about how he's a fit for their scheme
because they do a lot of running out of shotgun.
It's something he's done well in Buffalo and in Indianapolis.
But I'm always going to skew toward, in the case of a situation like this
where there's not an established guy, let's say like a Derrick Henry coming in,
you know, it's a guy that I still think needs to prove himself in Moss
because when he had this opportunity before in Buffalo,
he flopped as the starter, couldn't stay healthy.
And so, you know, Cincinnati,
are they signing him based on basically a five game stretch?
That could be the case, but I think they like the fit.
But in any case,
I think the situation for Chase Brown sets up that he could be the best
running back in Cincinnati.
And he's somebody that I want to have on a lot of my fantasy rosters.
And he couldn't make Heath's list because he went 99th.
Not a sleeper. and he couldn't make Heath's list because he went 99th in our draft.
Not a sleeper.
One more that you want to talk about, Jamie?
Another guy that I draft a lot of, and I hate to expect an injury,
but it's Elijah Mitchell.
In the event that there is an injury in San Francisco,
he's going to be a very prominent fantasy option and someone that will be a must-start. I mean, we saw it in his rookie campaign when Raheem Mostert got hurt and he
was the guy for the 49ers for the majority of that season. And obviously, you know, the system's
great. He's at least as of now, the second guy on the depth chart. And so McCaffrey's coming off a
season where he had a ton of work and he's getting to that point in terms of age where you have to be
a little bit concerned. Now, nobody is saying he's going to fall point in terms of age where you have to be a little bit concerned.
Now, nobody is saying he's going to fall off if he stays healthy or expect him to fall off if he stays healthy.
I mean, it could obviously happen, but we're clearly ranking him as the best player in fantasy.
But obviously the next man up is somebody that you want to have on your team. So he keeps falling to a spot where anytime he's available, I draft him.
And I'm very, very interested to see what would happen if he does get a chance to start. Let's use
Dave's analogy of McCaffrey
wins the lottery. Elijah Mitchell
is potentially a top 10 caliber
running back.
If Chris McCaffrey won the lottery, do you think he'd retire?
I don't even think he would.
I think he'd just keep playing.
He's pretty much won the lottery
in life.
Right.
Everything about his his his life
is very fantastic i wouldn't mind being christian mcafree uh i want to know jamie just going back
to chase brown who you took 99th overall you took him ahead of chuba hubbard and zach charbonnet
and gus edwards you're talking about which draft the ppr draft yeah it was half ppr you drafted
post free agency i think it's ppr yes because remember i
told you it happened in the half ppr one i was debating two guys we already talked about it was
kyler murray or chase brown i didn't have a quarterback two teams behind me had quarterback
did not have quarterbacks and so it was killing me not to take chase brown and just say okay i'll
figure out the quarterback situation but i was like let me just do something uh smart for change
and i'll take the quarterback and guarantee myself some, some, some quality production there.
A couple of things that a little troubling here. Not well, one thing that's troubling. Yeah. I do
want to know why you took chase Brown over Charbonnet and Gus Edwards and Chuba Hubbard.
But also this league, this post free agency mock draft, this is a league that is a league that Jamie set up the draft, but it was
a draft that we also did the year before
as a mock draft, so he just used the
same league.
And we didn't play it out or anything,
but I went 0-12-1
in that league
last year.
We never made
any roster moves or anything, just we drafted
in March.
And the funny thing is,
I think I told you that I went 15 and O in that league.
And the other reason I saw it was because when you open up a league that you
haven't touched,
and if it's still set up,
I was playing RJ white in the championship game and I won.
And so I was like,
Oh,
let me go look at my roster.
And I saw it when I opened up my roster page,
it was,
I was 15 and O and it was because I had Josh Allen, Christian McCaffrey, Mike Evans.
There was another big-time receiver there.
Ayuk, maybe?
I don't remember.
It was a very stacked roster.
Yeah, well, I didn't do very well.
All right, we've got to take a break, though,
and we'll find out why Chase Brown went ahead of another sleeper in Chuba Hubbard.
He's on Heath's list.
A starting running back right now in Gus Edwards
and a big upside guy in Zach Charbonnet.
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thoughts on these early sleepers here. A couple from each of Jamie and Heath, a couple of their
favorites. Yeah, so Chase Brown going ahead of Chuba Hubbard, who looks like a starting running
back right now. Gus Edwards, same thing.
Zach Charbonnet, not a starting running back, but maybe a similar situation to Chase Brown.
Why'd you take Brown over those three?
Well, I think there's more upside for Brown if he becomes the starter for the Bengals than there is for those other guys.
Charbonnet is a very good comparison, but I feel more comfortable in terms of Ken Walker
as the starter by comparison to Zach Moss.
So in the case of Chase Brown,
I don't think it's necessarily going to be an injury that allows him to be
the starter.
I think in the case of Charbonnet,
it would probably be an injury that he would need to become the full-time
guy.
I don't think Kenneth Walker is going to the bench.
So again,
apples to apples.
If you're telling me that the starting running back for the Panthers are
starting running back for the Bengals.
I think Chase Brown's got more upside than potentially both guys there in Carolina if
if Miles Sanders is done but in the case of Chuba Hubbard I think Brown's got more upside
and then in terms of Gus Edwards when we did the draft it was right after free agency
um we'll see if if they potentially sign J.K. Dobbins if that takes them out of drafting a
rookie I still would probably expect that to happen because of how Harbaugh wants to build his roster.
Mostly a day two guy, Blake Horne.
But in the case of Edwards right now,
he feels like a stopgap
as opposed to a full-time guy for the majority of the season.
Cool. All right. News and notes.
Police are looking for Rasheed Rice
in connection to a car accident.
It was a major car accident.
Reports said he may have been drag racing.
So we'll see what happens there.
Yeah.
I mean, we did get the update from Jocena last night that Rice has retained counsel,
which I would assume means that the police know also that he has retained counsel.
So they're probably not like there's an active warrant out for him or anything.
Okay.
So they're probably not looking for him anymore.
So I should have updated that.
Sorry,
but big car accident,
maybe racing.
And I don't want to speculate or anything.
We don't know,
but that's what's going on with her.
She rice Dallas could be interested in bringing Ezekiel Elliott back.
Tank Dell had a setback in his recovery,
may not be ready for training camp.
Heath.
How much does that change the calculus for stroud if dell's not ready a little bit oh april fools
april great job so i did not think you were gonna go along with it i thought you were gonna be like
what i didn't hear that sorry i didn't hear it um i made the face like oh but you have things in the notes that i didn't hear about all the time
you would have got me too because i didn't i didn't know that that happened or didn't think
that that happened either but it didn't it didn't it take that was fine thank you that was fine i i
used to do that with true yeah i used to do that with baseball all the time i would i would uh
say like somebody would get tommy john or something and uh yeah i had to do that with baseball. That's just drool. Yeah, I used to do that with baseball all the time. I would say somebody would get Tommy John or something.
Yeah, I had to do something for April Fool's.
So April Fool's, Tankdale is fine.
No worries.
The Jets acquired edge rusher Hassan Reddick from the Eagles.
Oh, you're going to get so much bleep for that.
Yeah, 2026 third round pick could become a second round pick.
The Dolphins added a year to raheem mostert's
contract christian watson has been working with a special lab to address his hamstring injuries
it's weird it's oh man i want to draft christian watson but see this feels like an april fool's
thing right i was gonna say a special lab it's a dog, actually.
It's like a chocolate lab who heals hamstrings.
But yeah, I love Watson, but can you trust him?
Who's your top-ranked Packers receiver right now?
Reid.
Jaden Reid.
But I do think Watson falls in the category of what we're talking about
because of just where he'll end up getting drafted.
You could almost put all three non-jayden reed packers in this category because they're all going to be uh potentially in the mix
to be very good you know don tavian wicks romeo dobbs christian watson all three of them
some reviews about my april fool's joke suspiciously good at line i'm actually a
terrible liar so it's not like yeah bad liar
um michael pennix jr ran a 4 5 40 at his pro day and he's going to be interesting because he's got
such injury history will he be a first round pick what do you think michael pennix jr would
you mock him in the first round what i think he will definitely be a first round pick. I think those medicals are very concerning.
It would be the only reason he wasn't a first round pick.
But we will see.
And Kansas City is signing a rugby player,
Louis Reese Zammett,
to be a running back or a wide receiver.
Maybe a kick return specialist.
Right.
You know, we actually have an email about this,
about Louis Reese Zamet.
Yeah, apparently he's really good at throwing like 40-yard laterals.
And so they think that with the new kickoff rules,
Andy Reid's going to design some plays for him
to sprint to one sideline and throw it to the other side.
Would you like to read the fantasy cops about him now or later?
Well, we're here right now, so let's just read it.
All right. Fantasy cops from Dustin.
Okay. We have a bit of a league dispute in light of the Lewis Reese Zammett signing with the Chiefs.
Currently our league app default setting.
I had him as a rookie.
Okay, no.
The league app default setting I had.
Why did you say I?
He's a rookie and is thus locked until the rookie draft.
I contend this is wrong.
This is the wrong default setting,
and I'm interested in your thoughts.
Reese Zammett will not be in the
2024 NFL draft
like, you know, Marvin
Harrison and Malik Neighbors and Odunze, and those
players can't currently sign with an NFL team,
but clearly Reece Zammett could.
He was a free agent in the international
player pathway. I believe that
should be the default on fantasy football
apps, him being a free agent instead of
a rookie and locked.
My league commissioner agreed and added him to my team because I asked first after being unable to add him
due to the setting.
Some of our league mates disagree with the decision
and are making the he is a rookie argument,
which I consider a lazy argument.
Just looking for your thoughts and asking
if apps should reconsider the default setting
or what leagues should do surrounding the situation,
it'll be more prominent in the years ahead as more players transition to
the NFL as the NFL strives to expand worldwide. What do you think, Heath? I mostly agree with the
rookie designation, but I understand the argument for the free agent designation. And if you wanted
to do that, I think it's fine. I just think giving him to the guy who asked the commissioner first is probably a bad process.
And you should have a fab run where he's available and everyone can choose how much they want to bid on him.
It's also one of those things.
So I take it his league's allowed to make transactions throughout the offseason.
And so if that's the case, then if there is no fab and if it's just waivers,
then it should go through a waivers process too.
Not necessarily fab.
So if he's first on waivers and that's a different story,
but if he's not first on waivers, then shouldn't just be allowed to get him without any sort of,
without anybody else getting the opportunity to do so.
But the easiest thing is just to lock transactions into the draft.
And then he has to get drafted.
Okay.
There we go.
A couple of perspectives there on the player that everyone's talking about,
Louis Rhys-Zammett.
And let's go to Heath's sleeper.
Oh, wait, before we go to Heath's sleepers, go to Heath's Dynasty show,
FFT Dynasty.
Check it out.
Great content there.
We did a startup super flex mock draft.
You're going to get NFL draft talk on it.
Fantasy Football Today Dynasty.
Listen wherever you're listening to this podcast.
See, but that's just, you're 100% right.
People should go listen to the show,
but they can't go there first when the show is tomorrow
and the sleepers are today.
What do you mean?
You said before we go to Heath's sleepers,
go to Heath's Dynasty show first.
Well, fine.
Fine, fine, fine.
Okay, Heath's sleepers.
Go to sleepers first. And Kyler Murray is one of them.
Go to Sleepers first.
And Keaton Mitchell is one of them.
Will Levis is a sleeper for you.
Did you even consider drafting him in a one-quarterback league?
He did not get drafted in the draft I'm looking at.
Yeah, I would consider drafting him in a one-quarterback league
if I waited until the double-digit rounds and ended up with Kyler Murray or somebody like that.
What happens almost always in our mock drafts is we get to round four or five and one of Mahomes or Lamar or Allen's available still.
And so I just take them. I think he's the type of guy with the gunslinger mentality and the combination of Ridley and Hopkins and the rushing touchdown potential for not like huge upside, but some upside that could sneak into the bottom half of the top 12.
So I do like pairing him up with another guy outside of the top 20.
He's my number.
I think he's my QB 17 right now.
Will Levis.
Yeah. I almost think it's, it's almost beneficial to do it no matter what kind of quarterback you take,
unless it's an injury prone guy.
And that's the second quarterback you're looking at,
but you could still take a Mahomes or Allen type of quarterback.
And if we'll have his hits,
depending on how your league is with trades,
like he could have a lot of trade value.
You know,
if he starts to become that guy and you know,
we,
we saw the upside in the one game against
atlanta last year when you know deandre hopkins went nuts you throw in the receiving core that
they have maybe a suspect run game but an improved offensive line and play caller and all those
things there's a lot to love about will levis so yeah i totally agree all right we got chuba hubbard
and keaton mitchell at running back are you buying the idea that chuba hubbard could just be there starting running back all year not in a like clear number one but in a 1a role i think it's certainly possible
we'll find out more after the draft of course but i and it's also like you put miles sanders
on this list and he's going later so because it is a new coaching staff and we've seen that running back
situations can change even if the same two guys are there when the coaching
changes.
But yeah,
I think it's possible that Shuba Hubbard could have 220 touches next year.
So I asked Dave Canales at the owner's meetings about his running backs.
And when he talked about Hubbard,
he said it's on the site.
I don't have the exact one for him, but it was something to the effect of
he has the running style that we love or like or something like that.
But he did say that he's looking forward to getting his hands on both the guys,
Sanders and Hubbard, and seeing how it's going to work.
And I said, do you have any idea of potential workload?
And the first thing he said was competition.
So I think he's going to let it play out obviously hubbard was you know not significantly better but from a fantasy points per
game but almost double of what sanders did a year ago and so you would think he gets the opportunity
for to be the starter going in even though sanders was the one they paid last season so i almost
think they both fall in this category because you know this is one of those as as you use the phrase
with ben gresh last week ambiguous backfields where you know this is one of those as as you use the phrase with
ben gresh last week ambiguous backfields where you know you can draft potentially both guys with
you know hubbard should go i would say maybe as early as round eight you know but potentially
double digit rounds as well um sanders is definitely going to be one of those late round
picks because everybody was pissed off after what happened a year ago and it's going to be an
improved offense and improved offensive line.
You may not get one guy standing out significantly above the other because they'll probably mix and match them.
But an injury occurs, and then you have a borderline RB2
or maybe just a high-end flex.
But there's a lot to like about getting both these guys
just in a refresh situation.
Okay.
And at receiver, we've got Curtis Samuel.
Sorry. Just finishing my running back note there.
I got Curtis Samuel and Demario Douglas for wide receiver here.
And what do you think about these guys?
Do they have any upside?
Are we just looking at like bi-week replacement type of players?
Well, they have huge upside relative to where they're going to be drafted.
We've seen a second wide receiver function as a borderline number two in the Bills offense,
and we saw some problems with Stephon Diggs down the stretch last year. We don't
know who the Bills are going to add as their wide receiver three or wide receiver two, and
Samuel will be the wide receiver three, but he has a really
special skill set after the catch.
And so if they put him into that Cole Beasley type role,
I think he could do more with those catches,
with those,
with those catches.
If he can stay healthy,
Jamie,
you've been a big Khalil Shakur guy.
So does,
how much does Curtis Samuel affect that for you?
It seems like my perception is that it's bothering
other people more than it's bothering you in terms of Shaquille. Yeah. I want to see what
happens in camp. I mean, you know, the, the relationship with Joe Brady is not exactly
the most encouraging thing. And Brandon being the GM also has a history with Curtis Samuel. So,
you know, there's familiarity there, but I still think that they're not going to forget about
Khalil Shakir. And so, you know, we'll see, like he said, are they going to bring in another receiver, you know, via the draft?
You know, are they still going to maybe explore trade?
Because I don't think they have their long-term number one guy
on the roster right now because Tufan Diggs clearly is not going to be there
maybe even after the season.
So do they get very aggressive and maybe try and swing a big trade,
let's say for Tee Higgins?
But most likely the receiving core is going to look like it looks right now
with the addition of, you know, maybe a high profile rookie,
maybe more of a, you know, second or third tier type of guy.
But they're also very invested in their tight end group.
You know, that's something that Sean McDermott talked about
when he was asked about his receiving core.
He said, you know, I'm putting Don Kincaid and Dawson Knox
in that room of the receiving core.
So in terms of the pecking order for targets,
I would hope because I think we all have a lot more invested in Kincaid that
Kincaid's two and then the tight ends and then the other,
the rest of the receiving core kind of shakes itself out.
So I'm not going to necessarily rule out that Samuel is automatically better
than Khalil Shakir entering his third season, coming off a strong finish,
caught everything that was thrown to him.
So Josh Allen has to have some sort of, you know,
love for what that kid was able to accomplish.
And so we'll see how it all sort of breaks down.
But yes, Curtis Samuel coming is a damper on the ceiling for Shakir.
And certainly, you know,
takes it from an easy guy to target with a late round pick to more of a,
okay,
I'll take a chance on one of the two guys and see how it sort of plays
out.
Would you guys rather have Curtis Samuel, Demario Douglas,
or a guy who's on Jamie Sleeper's list
and who Jake Seeley talked about last week,
Josh Downs for the Colts?
Depending on what the Patriots do,
it would be Douglas, Downs, Bills guy.
I think that probably sounds right, yeah.
What is it that you like about...
Because New England's receiving core right now is awful.
I was going to say, what is it
you like about Demario Douglas over
downs? Just opportunity?
He could be
the number one wide receiver on his team
and we
don't exactly know what the Patriots
are going to do, but it sure seems like they'd like to
keep doing what they've been doing. So I do think
there's a potential that he's like that
prototypical Patriots slot wide receiver that just sees an enormous target share because they don't really
have anybody else to throw it to. Now, they do like Kendrick Bourne also. And so maybe Kendrick
Bourne out targets him, but I'd rather bet on the young guy. And Douglas looked pretty good in the
second half of last season. So he probably is a guy that turns into more of a number three, unless he happens to score touchdowns, but they could be in a position to add a good rookie
quarterback. And this offense could be much improved from last year. That's the thing.
It's like, what's the, what's the game plan at receiver for them? You know, and, and they,
you know, Geron Mayo talked about this. He's like, you know, they kind of whiffed on free agency.
Um, you know, he said it was important to them to bring back, you know,
some guys that were, you know, their own free agents, you know,
so Kendrick Bourne, Hunter Henry, you know,
that was seemingly a priority to keep those guys on the roster.
But, you know, unless they decide to go with, you know,
Jacoby Brissett and maybe trade back into the back end of the first round
or hoping
that they can get a Bo Nix if they do decide to take receiver at four and surprise us a little
bit, as opposed to taking the quarterback there, or three, excuse me, taking the quarterback there,
then we could be looking at a much better receiving court, but just a terrible quarterback
situation. You know, it's not that Jacoby Brissett won't be good for whatever fantasy options there,
because we've seen that times during his career. But obviously, I think the best case scenario, if you're in the Demario Douglas camp, is draft a quarterback, don't spend a lot of capital at wide receiver, and then Douglas does have the chance to sort of become this guy as he talked about. scenario is that Washington takes McCarthy or Jaden Daniels and you get Drake May with no
significant competition at a wide receiver and then I think it could be like maybe he does have
borderline top 24 upside all right and then a couple of tight ends on Heath Sleeper's list
Jake Ferguson and Dalton Schultz and there's not too like I don't think these guys have the
potential to be a lot better than they were last year. It's just a good reminder that Jamie's great or late tight end strategy is still very much in play this year.
There's a lot of tight ends available after pick 100.
And I would expect that Ferguson and Schultz are both going to be low end starters, guys that you probably don't even stream.
Like if you draft those guys, you might draft a second one and hope one of them hits big,
but I would expect Ferguson or Schultz is just going to stick in your lineup
the rest of the year.
And you don't have to think about it.
There's been a lot of agreement on today's show.
I would say the only player on your list that I didn't agree with was
Schultz.
And that's just because I think,
I just don't think there's enough for him.
If Adele and Collins are,
are healthy and as good as we think they are in the seven games,
there were seven games where both of them played at least 60% of the snaps.
And in those seven games,
Dalton Schultz was on pace for only 83 targets,
but 56 catches, 617 yards, seven touchdowns on 83 targets.
That's the,
that's the,
and that was what we have to expect is that Schultz is going to be the red
zone guy,
the touchdown guy that if CJ Stroud takes a step forward as a passer this
year,
Schultz might have 90 targets.
He might also have 10 touchdowns.
I would say,
you know,
looking at the tight end rank list right now,
I think we'll probably all put Bowers, if he's in the right situation,
ahead of those two guys.
At least I know Iowa.
I don't speak for anybody else.
But just based on the upside.
Once you get past those two tight ends,
especially now that the Bears have a crowded receiving core,
like Cole Komet's value is a little bit less,
can you really trust Mayer or Musgrave,
knowing that there's potentially two tight ends for the Packers that are maybe going to cannibalize each other a little bit?
There's not a lot of sleeper tight ends right now that are out there, you know?
So you can look at like a Davis to Allen.
If you feel like he's going to be the best Rams guy with Higby going on the publicist
based on what Sean McVay said, you know, maybe the change in Seattle opens the opportunity
for Noah Fant to now become something that's hard to trust, you know, Greg Dolchitz, that's
hard to trust, you know? So thechitz, that's hard to trust.
You know, so the guys that once upon a time had some upside, you know.
So it really feels like there's about 14 tight ends that you're looking at in a 12-team league.
And Ferguson and Schultz are at the tail end of that.
But they've kind of shown their hand.
You know, Dallas' tight end has been the same, essentially, from Jason Witten to Dalton Schultz to Jay Ferguson.
It's almost the same type of production across the board.
And Schultz has kind of been the same guy now
on two different teams over four seasons.
So it's hard to overlook that.
I'll give you two.
I'll give you two tight end sleepers.
One of them may not even play next year.
I think Darren Waller, if he comes back,
is a low end in the same group.
And then I don't really think think i just want to get your take
on this there's absolutely no evidence but here's the thing about tight ends especially second year
tight ends they often come out of nowhere and we get about half of the top six tight ends over the
last six or seven years i don't have the stat in front of me we're drafted in like round 10 or
later michael mayer this is a guy with a good pedigree, right?
Like, what do you think about Michael Mayer?
I just feel like they're going to run at 75 times a game
and Devontae Adams is going to have a 40% target share.
But other than that, yeah.
No, I think athleticism-wise and talent-wise,
he's a good selection.
The other one I'd throw in is Pat Fryermuth.
Like, he might be the number two target on the team,
and he's got Arthur Smith.
It could be good.
Yes, he definitely benefited with the Deontay Johnson chance to go in.
So there are guys.
I guess I shouldn't dismiss it,
but I think when you talk about –
we said draft Will Levis as a second quarterback.
There's a good chance to draft two tight ends
if you miss on one of the top tier guys
to take a Ferguson-Mayer combination, a Schultz-Musgrave combination.
There's still potential there for one of those guys to hit.
Let's take a break, and we'll look at Jamie's sleepers when we come back.
Dave gave us a list of sleepers as well.
He wasn't able to make the show, but we'll try to read his as well um we have talked about chase brown a little bit of josh
downs as well and who was the oh oh elijah mitchell so we'll talk more of jamie's sleepers
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So how's your bracket, fellas?
Not as bad as Dave's, so feel good.
Yeah, I'm ahead of both my son and my wife, so doing okay.
Now, very, very middle of the pack, but I did pick Purdue to beat UConn in the championship,
so I could make a move towards respectability.
In our family, our cousins bracket that I do, I'm done.
I was eliminated with the Tennessee loss yesterday.
My wife lost her entire finals.
I don't think she has a single final.
Oh, no, she's at Purdue.
But she did so well in the first three rounds
that she still could win if NC State and Alabama win.
If they meet in the championship,
then she would win because nobody has that final.
So I'm rooting for them.
This NC State thing is insane.
They've got to be one of the worst Final Four teams in a long time.
But holy cow, they're playing great.
Good for them.
I'm all about it.
Although, God, like a Purdue-UConn.
Imagine the difference in just excitement level for Purdue-UConn.
I just don't know if anybody can play with UConn.
It's really fascinating that an ACC school makes the Final Four
a year after another surprise ACC school makes the Final Four,
and you're crapping on that one.
Miami was a five seed.
Miami beat—
Seeds are irrelevant at this point outside of the top.
Miami was really good last year.
NC State was not even going to be an at-large team.
They won their conference tournament.
They won, what, five games in five days?
I think they were the lowest seed ever to win the ACC tournament.
Good for them.
I mean, I'm all about it.
I'm rooting for them.
I think it's great.
But they've got to be one of the worst.
For a team that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament,
it wasn't even going to be an at-large bid to be in the final four.
The big man battle on Saturday night is going to be spectacular.
Oh, ED's going to destroy him. I'd like to see DJ Burns
in a three technique, though,
to see what that would look like.
Yeah. Edie's
ridiculous. Okay,
let's get Jamie's sleepers here.
So we'll cross Chase Brown
and Elijah Mitchell off the list.
Jerome Ford.
Jerome Ford. I see I have some Jerome Ford stats
here somewhere. I think he was the number 13
running back in fantasy
from weeks two through 17.
Week one, Nick Chubb played.
Week 18, they kind of sat their starters.
So number 13 running back overall,
but about 20th per game from weeks two through 17,
Jerome Ford.
And that was with Kareem Hunt having a pretty significant role
and Kareem Hunt getting almost all of the goal line work too.
Anyway, we know Nick Chubb is coming back, but we know he's coming back from a major
injury.
What are your thoughts on Jerome Ford?
I mean, you said it, you know, he was very good last year.
He's on a team that's still going to be very good offensively.
The situation for him may be very good early in the season and who knows how things unfold
for Chubb based on how the recovery
goes but in in any case you know he's not an afterthought by any stretch but i think more
people are going to get excited about nick chubb nick chubb coming back i mean we've had several
discussions on this show already about when should he be drafted how high should he be on chubb you
know he's still going to be you know we've seen this comment a lot still going to be elite because
he's one of the best running backs in football and i hope that's the case but 28 going to be, you know, we've seen this comment a lot, still going to be elite because he's one of the best running backs in football. And I hope that's the case, but 28 going to be
29 coming back from that type of, of, of surgery where he had MCL surgery at first, then the ACL
surgery, you know, later in the year after getting hurt in week two, who knows when he'll be ready
to go, you know, or be ready to go at full strength. So I think there'll be some moments
for Ford while Chubb is working his way back and who knows how the,
the rest of the year will go,
but he's somebody that I will draft a lot of because I think he could end up
still being the best running back in Cleveland because I'm very pessimistic
about Chubb being back to form at this point in his career.
Right.
But,
but doesn't,
but what if Chubb just plays,
you know,
what if he was not even that good?
Are they going to bench him?
You know what I mean? It's like, I feel like Ford can only hit if Chubb is on. What if he's not even that good? Are they going to bench him? You know what I mean?
It's like I feel like forward can only hit if Chubb is on the pup list
or gets hurt again.
It's a fair point, and we'll have to see it play out.
But we've seen Chubb lose playing time to Kareem Hunt when he was at his peak.
So Stefanski, I think, will hopefully do the best thing for his team,
not necessarily the best thing for a guy
who's been, you know, a pretty good fixture
in the franchise, a pillar of the franchise.
But if Nick Chubb can't get the job done
because he's not right,
I would imagine he goes to Jerome Ford,
and he got to factor in Deontay Foreman, too.
You know, he's part of this backfield, too.
But I think Ford will end up being,
for a stretch of the season,
the best running back in Cleveland, whether that's because
Chubb's on the pop list or because he's just not effective.
Trio of wide
receivers that Jamie put on his sleepers
list. Jamison Williams,
Marvin Mims, and
Josh Downs.
These are fun names here.
Is that how you rank them? Jamison Williams,
Marvin Mims, Josh Downs?
No. Williams,
Downs, Mims.
Doing a Google search right now.
Is NC State the worst
Final Four team ever?
They can't be.
Wasn't Loyola Chicago one?
Did they make the Final Four?
I mean, Laranega's team to get there.
George Mason. Yeah.
Anyway. Okay. So how do you rank them again? I wasn't listening. Laranega's team to get there. George Mason, yeah, yeah. Anyway,
okay, so how do you rank them again?
I wasn't listening.
I have it ranked Jamison Williams,
Josh Downs, and Marvin Mims.
And how many of them do you think should be
top 100 picks?
If the Lions don't add a receiver,
I think Jamison Williams should absolutely be a top 100 pick,
and Downs is not far behind that.
Yeah, Williams went in round 8, Josh Downs is not far behind that. Yeah, Williams went in round eight.
Josh Downs went in round 11 in our draft,
and Mims went a little bit after Downs.
He went in the first pick of round 12.
Heath, what's your read on these three?
I agree with the order of ranking.
I was a pretty big Mims guy coming out of school.
I lost a lot of faith in Sean Payton last year, and maybe it was all Russ's fault.
But now, what's the plan at quarterback?
And do I really believe that even if he likes Marvin Mims as much as he's talking about it,
he's going to give him more than three or four targets per game?
So I'm sour on Marvin Mims, but I like the player.
I think that the upside
is still absolutely there.
Jamison Williams is the one guy
who you can still kind of
hold on to that belief
that if everything broke right,
he might be a league winner at the cost.
I hope Marvin Mims becomes
more than just a deep threat.
That's what he was.
But now they have a void to fill
with Jerry Judy on the Browns.
Jamison Williams.
We just, you know, one thing I meant to look up was his snap counts.
You know, has he ever really been, let's see what his snap counts were last year.
He never even reached 70%.
So until the playoffs.
And he crushed it in the playoffs.
He had 79 yards in three games.
Uh,
yeah,
obviously didn't do well,
but he was 72% was the most,
uh,
highest percentage of snaps he ever,
he played in any game.
Uh,
Josh Reynolds gone.
Obviously you could probably expect a wide receiver to be added for the lions.
Uh,
yeah,
let's see.
Let's see where Jamison Williams went and compare him to some of these
players.
So in round eight,
he went ahead of,
well, he went right after, oddly enough,
Cortland Sutton and Jerry Judy and Christian Watson.
So Watson, Sutton, Judy, Jamison Williams.
And Heath took Watson.
I took Sutton.
And then we had Judy and Jamison.
Jamie, how do you feel about that group of Christian Watson,
Cortland Sutton, Jerry, Judy, Jamison Williams?
I like him better than Judy at this point.
You know, that might be a mistake,
but I think there's such a crowded
receiving core in Cleveland
that it's hard for Judy to ascend
to the heights that maybe Williams can,
given the situation in Detroit.
He takes that offense to a different level
if he can ever become the player
that he's capable of,
because they have an alpha in St. Brown.
They obviously have a tight end on the rise in Laporta.
They have two running backs that can do a variety of things,
but they don't really have a field stretcher that can be consistent.
And so will he ever become more than just sort of a gadget slash,
you know, throw a couple, you know, fly patterns to?
I don't know.
I think he can, but this is a big offseason for him.
It's a big year for him.
Going into year three after basically missing his rookie campaign
and then the gambling situation and how that all unfolded.
So he needs a big season.
And it's there for him given Jared Goff's ability to get multiple guys going.
We saw that in Los Angeles with Woods and Cup.
I think the play caller is excellent in Ben Johnson's thing.
So there's a lot to love about the situation for Jamison Williams,
and hopefully it pans out.
I'm good with that.
Those are some sleepers.
We have Dave's sleepers as well.
Did we talk about Schaefer's comment?
Oh, it's correct comment?
Incorrect in every sense.
If you want to, Schaefer, do you want to come on and say what you said?
And I'll dissect every reason why it's wrong.
I said in the private chat that the Giants won the Super Bowl as wildcard teams.
I think there were like nine and seven both seasons and they went on the run.
So were they the best team in those seasons?
No.
It was just about the hottest team getting hot
at the end of the season.
That's what sports is about.
So this is an NC State comparison.
Okay, so let's talk about why you're wrong.
Number one, they were the wild card
in only one of those two seasons.
They did win their division
and hosted the Atlanta Falcons in the 2000s.
With how many wins?
I don't know what their record was,
but they won their division.
They were in a wild card team.
Wait, so NC State won their conference, right?
In the postseason, yes.
Not in the regular season.
Still the same.
After the 2007 season when they beat the Patriots,
the Giants actually were really good.
We didn't realize how great they were.
They were 10-1 the following year,
and then Plexiglas Burress shot himself in the leg,
and their season spiraled.
But they actually were becoming a fantastic team
with the best defensive line in football.
2011, they probably weren't as good.
Are you talking about the year after they won the Super Bowl
they were becoming a fantastic team?
No, I mean during their Super Bowl run.
NC State might be a fantastic team next year.
No, they won't be.
During their Super Bowl run, the Giants, we didn't realize how good they were,
but they had come together, and they carried it into the next year.
But just first and foremost, they were not a wild card team both years.
So right off the bat, you were wrong, Schaefer.
NC State is terrible.
But they played on wild card weekend.
They didn't have a bye week.
Yeah, but not that many teams have byes.
But, yes, they played on wild card weekend.
And they did go 10-6, so 9-7
and 10-6.
That's a nice year.
What's NC State's
win percentage this year?
Now or before the ACC
tournament?
They were 9-11
in their conference. They were sub
500 in their conference. A conference sub-500 in their conference.
A conference that stunk, by the way.
ACC was awful this year.
They had, what, five teams make it?
And one of them was one of the worst additions to the field ever in Virginia.
So NC State was a bad team.
Bad.
Never would have made it if they didn't win the championship.
But they're playing great.
I'm not trying to hate on them.
I'm rooting for them.
But they suck.
It makes sense you're rooting for them.
You've been a Giants fan.
I'm also a Yankees fan, Heath.
We're 4-0.
We just swept the Astros on the road.
So, anywho, Dave's sleepers.
Agree or disagree with Dave's sleepers?
I'll just bring them up here.
Dave, who are your sleepers?
Kendri Miller, Jaleel McLaughlin,
Roshan Johnson, and Antonio Gibson at running back.
Kendri Miller, Jaleel McLaughlin,
Roshan Johnson, Antonio Gibson.
I like the Miller call.
He was one of the ones I was going to suggest.
If Dave didn't get to it first,
then Jaleel McLaughlin as well.
You look at the situation.
Heath mentioned this with Marvin Mims. Can you trust anything with Sean Payton right now? And it seemed as if he was waiting for someone to take the job from
Javante Williams last year. And McLaughlin had some moments. We'll see if it could be sustainable,
but he's somebody I think right now, you know, I know Samaj P. Ryan's still on the roster,
but McLaughlin could end up, you know, taking a big piece of, of the action there. And then Miller is just behind in,
in aging running back and Alvin Kamara, uh, as we talked about with Jake Sealy, like there's,
there's certainly a situation where Jamal Williams falls further down on the depth chart and Miller
gets more of an opportunity. He had a very incomplete rookie season dealt with a lot of
injuries, never got the chance to really showcase himself himself but there's a lot to like about the skill set and the potential so uh those are two guys
that i i'm totally on board with roshan look we'll see what the bears running back core looks like
post-draft and maybe as we get closer to the season if all three guys are there it's hard
to expect johnson to do better than he did as a rookie which we you know spent a lot of time
talking about the opportunity and potential.
Playing behind Khalil Herbert.
Unfortunately, he suffered a concussion when Herbert had the ankle injury. So we saw too much of Deontay Foreman during that three-game stretch.
And look, Gibson has never really turned into the guy that we've hoped for.
I don't see that necessarily happening in New England unless there's a Ramondre Stevenson injury.
He'll definitely play a role, but it feels like he'll still be more of a secondary role as opposed to a featured role so all great calls for late round picks but my two
favorites would be miller and mclaughlin have we talked about antonio gibson and what it means for
remandre stevenson not really yeah right i probably missed that's a miss on my part. What do you think it means?
I don't know.
I made a big deal going into last year about how inefficient Stevenson was as a pass catcher.
But that's also been the way that he's had fantasy value.
So if I had a fear,
it would be that he's going to play more on early downs
and have more rush attempts
and Gibson's going to have more catches.
But I think this is probably a situation
where it's a competition with Stevenson
having the edge going into camp.
All right, more of Dave's...
Is it a job or a pass-catching rule?
What?
Competition for the job or pass-catching rule?
Pass-catching rule.
Gotcha.
All right, more of Dave's sleepers.
Isaiah likely is a sleeper.
Anybody feel that?
Does he need a...
If you're looking at the list here,
it's not including...
Oh, there we go.
On the bottom,
you got the wide receivers
and the tight end.
By the way,
really good job of Thomas
choosing which players
to put on the big letters
and which players
to put on the little letters.
I think he did a good job.
He did.
Little letters would include Quentin Johnston.
No, I mean, I don't agree.
I would put, I would have put.
Your big Trey Tucker guy?
No, I would have put Quentin Johnston ahead of Jalen Hyatt on the big letters sleepers list.
Well, no, he was trying to choose the guys we were going to talk more about.
And so he had to put the Giants in the big letters.
Schaefer's the one
who brought up the Giants today, not me.
Quinton Johnston,
well, let's, but I, just real quick question
on Isaiah Likely. Does he have sleeper appeal
without a Mark Andrews injury?
I think he does, given the
construct of their receiving core right now, and the
fact that they've talked about using more two tight end sets.
But, you know, how long will you carry him on your roster if he doesn't do anything in the early part of the season?
And then the wide receivers, Jahan Dotson, Michael Wilson.
Wilson, we talked about last week.
Jalen Hyatt, Wanda Robinson, Quentin Johnston, Kendrick Bourne, Trey Tucker.
I've got Bourne projected the highest of that group.
I think that Wilson and Dotson are my favorites of that group.
Definitely agree with that.
I'm curious to see what the Giants do at receiver because clearly if they stick with Daniel Jones,
they're definitely in play to take a wide receiver in the first round.
Quinn Johnson obviously has the most upside, I think, of anybody here, given his draft pedigree and the situation for the Chargers right now.
But they also should be in the market for a wide receiver. impact of the offensive line on his teams that they could easily pivot, take an offensive lineman,
say, this is the group we're going with, or add somebody on day two or day three.
And then Quentin Johnston could be the number one receiver for Justin Herbert. So, you know,
those are the type of guys you want to, you know, invest in is high upside type of plays. We talked
about this. I think you asked us the question and Heath answered appropriately, you know,
with Josh Palmer versus Quentin Johnston, the floor is clearly safer for, for Josh Palmer, based on what we've
seen. The ceiling is much more in favor of Quentin Johnston. So with the receiving court, looking
like it is, you know, of the guys that, that Dave listed. And I agree with a lot of them. Like I
told you before the show, I would have taken some of these names myself that Johnston is,
is somebody you want to take a shot on, you know, almost like a poor man's Jamison Williams. And to
say that it's because Williams just hasn't done anything,
but his situation feels a little bit better right now.
So then tell me why you would take Dotson and Wilson,
John Dotson and Michael Wilson, ahead of Quinton Johnston.
Well, I think in the case of Dotson, you saw flashes of it in his rookie campaign,
and the hope would be that the Washington offense
is going to be a little bit better from a past perspective than the Chargers offense.
And so Cliff Kingsbury and a rookie quarterback coming in, even though Justin Herbert's much more established,
you can make a case, I think, that Jahan Dotson can be better than what Quentin Johnson was
because he's already shown it, that he has the ability to do that.
And then the case of Michael Wilson, I would actually rather take a chance on Quentin Johnson than I would Michael Wilson right now.
But we get through the NFL draft, that might change.
So if the Cardinals trade down, don't get a wide receiver of significance,
Michael Wilson is going to have a huge opportunity.
And rocket ships and all those fun things will be well attached to his name.
So there's a lot to like about his situation as well.
Can he stay healthy? That's a big question.
But clearly there's a chance for him to be the number one receiver for Kyler Murray, which would be great.
Yeah.
I don't know that I see
a scenario where the
commanders
have a better passing game than the Chargers.
System.
I mean, I get it. They're probably going to throw more, for sure.
It could happen. A lot more.
And they have
much better wide receivers right now.
My thing with Johnston is he has
the upside because of the pedigree, yes.
But I also don't think he's any
good. Yeah, I know, right?
That's kind of a wah-wah.
You hope better coaching.
And look,
he's now, for for today and for the next you know
20 plus days until the nfl draft he's the number one guy for the chargers you know who knows how
much he's working out with justin herbert you know i hope those two guys have spent a lot of
time together this offseason i'll i'll do a google search when we're done see if that's case but um
no matter what happens he's going to be a big part of this passing attack.
You know, whether he's the one or the two,
I'd be very surprised if he drops down to the three.
He's going to be a big piece.
He's going to be on the field a lot.
His snap count's going to increase.
His target's going to increase.
And so can he become more than a body catcher?
He was open a lot.
And Justin Herbert was looking for him quite a bit after Keenan Allen got hurt, you know,
and before his finger injury.
But will he be able to overcome some of those rookie woes?
You know, I hope that's the case
because there's a ton to like about him.
But, you know, let's see how it all materializes.
We're talking about Quentin Johnston right now.
And I just have to say, I do think,
especially this is a sleepers episode,
you're
just overlooking Josh Palmer a little bit here I mean I don't know that Quinton Johnson is the
number one guy I know that right when Mike Williams got hurt it was Josh Palmer not Quinton
Johnston that stepped up into that role so right but that's that's the thing it's you you're you're
right you know in terms of who's designated the one who's going to maybe lead them in targets,
it could still be Palmer.
But as Heath said, like I talked about,
there's not the same type of upside for those two guys.
No.
All right.
That's it for today's show.
Thank you very much, Heath and Jamie.
And thank you.
You want to talk about why Jalen Hyatt and Wanda Robinson?
I mean, I'm very interested to see what Robinson can do.
He's my favorite, yeah.
You know, he has been such a low-A-dot guy.
It's like Rondell Moore-esque, but he's got a lot of yak ability.
And he can get downfield.
He did it in college.
So I hope they use him a little bit differently.
Hyatt, another guy, they have to use him differently.
The thing with Hyatt is I cannot see him being a consistent guy
that you can actually trust if the Giants draft a wide receiver, like a better one than him.
It's going to have to be – they take a quarterback in round one.
They don't really invest in receiver.
Then maybe – because Hyatt can just beat people.
He gets open, but it's always deep.
It's always deep.
He's got a lot to i offered uh dan two trade offers last year in
baked burger because i was in in competition i think i finished third if i'm not mistaken in
the regular season um and my team was okay but i i needed some help so i offered him two different
trades both of the same player one was wanda robinson for courtland sudden and one was
jameson williams for courtland. He said no to both of those.
I'm thrilled to death that he did.
He regrets it.
I think it was the Jameson Williams, if I'm not mistaken,
had a 30-plus yard touchdown run in the playoffs, right?
It was against Tampa.
Oh, yeah.
Right after he scored.
Oh, yeah, go ahead. Sorry.
Dan sent me a text message.
I hate myself for not taking that.
Who would you guys rather have in a dynasty league,
Jamison Williams or Wanda Robinson?
Jamison, for sure.
Jamison.
Wanda or Sutton?
Do you rather have Wanda?
Probably Sutton for me.
It depends on your team.
I think if you're win now, you'd rather have Sutton.
I think if you're looking at who has more upside for the rest of their careers,
you'd rather have Robinson.
I mean, the idea of Jared Stidham to Cortland Sutton does not feel good.
I mean, Sutton scored all 10 of his touchdowns with Russ
and did really nothing without Russ.
Later, everybody.
We'll talk to you on Wednesday with some breakouts.
And before that
you will hear Heath's Dynasty show on Tuesday
I think I got the order right
this time until then
see you later