Fantasy Football Today - Everyone is a Bust (Part Two)! (08/02 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: August 2, 2022Busts cases for Najee Harris, Joe Mixon, Stefon Diggs and more. First, Adam has what he thinks is an amazing stat about a former quarterback and then we discuss if drafting both Browns or both Packers... running backs is a viable strategy (4:30) ... Catching you up on the big news you may have missed (10:50). Is Alvin Kamara unlikely to be suspended this season? Are we worried about Matthew Stafford's elbow? Then we get into the bust cases for Najee (19:15), Dalvin Cook (25:10), Ja'Marr Chase (29:25), Davante Adams (38:05), Mixon (39:30) and Diggs (42:35) ... Looking at the next six players in ADP, who has the most bust potential (45:05)? Is it Deebo Samuel? CeeDee Lamb? Then we finish with more news and notes (47:30) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Welcome, everybody, to your Tuesday morning show, Fantasy Football Today.
Adam, Jamie, and Heath.
God, I have not spoken to Heath in a really long time, I feel.
Hey, Heath.
It's been like 10 days.
Yeah.
A lot of things have happened in those 10 days.
Julio Jones is a Tampa Bay Buccaneer.
So is Kyle Rudolph.
How nice was it to not talk to me for 10 days?
I missed you from time to time.
I thought about on vacation calling into the podcast
like we used to call into radio shows, you know?
First time, long time.
All right, so today on the show,
everyone is a bust part two.
We only got to six players yesterday
because we had the Deshaun Watson news.
So today we'll talk about Najee Harris,
Jamar Chase, Dalvin Cook,
Devante Adams, Stefan Diggs, all of those players, by the way,
including Diggs and Adams, they are first-round picks according to Fantasy Pro's PPR ADP.
By the way, Aaron Jones is 20th right now in ADP, in PPR,
on Fantasy Pro's, which, true or false,
Aaron Jones at 20 is great value and PPR.
True.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaking of amazing,
here's a segment called amazing stat of the day that requires no reaction or
analysis.
I just thought people would find it interesting.
Are you ready?
No analysis in 2010.
Michael Vick was the number one quarterback in four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues
in 12 games.
Can you imagine somebody playing 12 games
or maybe 13 games now with the schedule
and being the number one quarterback in fantasy
missing four games?
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
Okay, well, there's your analysis.
Okay, anyway, let's your analysis. Okay.
Anyway, let's get back on track here.
I just was looking up quarterback stats, and that really struck me.
It's really amazing that Michael Vick was number one in just 12 games.
We just published a story on CBSSports.com.
I noticed it this morning after my son woke me up at 530 in the morning
that the best players not in the Hall of Fame.
And Michael Vick is the quarterback of that list.
Really?
Oh, boy.
Best eligible but not yet in.
I'm assuming it's retired.
Okay.
I don't know, man. Looking back, i don't know man that i don't i looking back i don't remember
him really being that good i remember being a tremendous playmaker but ryan diardo who covers
the nfl for us and the list is the quarterbacks are michael vick is the starter ken anderson is
the backup and jim plunkett is the third string quarterback. The running back is Bo Jackson, followed
by Roger Craig and Ricky Williams.
The fullback is Mike Alstott.
The receivers and several of these guys are eligible
that can still get in, but Reggie Wayne
and Sterling Sharp, Torrey Holt and Hines Ward,
Andre Johnson is
the fifth receiver.
You'll love this. Can you guess, Adam,
who the tight end is? I'm going to guess it's Jeremy
Shockey.
No, but similar tie-in.
No, who?
Mark Bavaro.
Oh, sure.
With Todd Christensen and Jay Novacek as the other options.
The offensive line is Joe Jacoby, Logan Makins, Jeff Saturday,
Walt Sweeney, and Ralph Neely.
Well, the running backs, receivers, and tight ends, I think, are more exciting than the quarterbacks on that list but that's very cool good stuff
they're more exciting than the quarterback you just said finished first overall i just don't
really think that like michael vick is not a hall of favor the other guys like reggie wayne
be surprisingly not a hall of favor when you said he finished number one overall i thought you meant
he scored more fantasy points over the season you meant he was number one overall, I thought you meant he scored more fantasy points over the season.
You meant he was number one on a per-game basis.
No, in four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues,
he scored the most fantasy points.
Oh, four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In six-point, I think he was QB four or five or something.
But in four-point leagues, he scored the most fantasy points
despite missing four games.
I think that's pretty incredible.
All right, anyway, let's get to some fantasy-relevant stuff here.
Question of the day.
If you draft Aaron Jones or Nick Chubb early,
does that take you out of the sweepstakes for A.J. Dillon and Kareem Hunt?
Or would you be okay drafting both running backs in the same backfield?
Chubb and Jones are mid-round two picks.
Dillon is going 66th overall that's round six
kareem hunt around later at 79th overall in a 12 team league so if you if you draft the packers
or browns running back in the second round does that mean you shouldn't draft one in the other
one in round six or seven heath that's not i don't feel No. Um, I don't ever end up with the combo.
And I think it's because Dylan goes a little bit earlier than I want to take
him.
And Chubb goes a little bit earlier than I want to take him.
But if I was able to get Aaron Jones in round two and Dylan was there in
round six,
then I wouldn't have any problem with it.
Jamie,
what do you think?
Um,
no,
I'm,
I'm fine with it.
Also.
The only thing I would not like to do,
it's a little bit tougher with the Packers guys,
is to make both guys my starting running backs.
I'd like to have maybe one as an option as a flex.
And so it's easier to do with the Browns,
just because you get at least a round difference on it.
I'm trying to find the draft where Will Brinson actually did that
with the Packers guys.
Oh, yeah.
And he took Aaron Rodgers, too.
It's a Lazard also.
Yes.
I don't know if I'll be able to find it quickly enough, but he did.
He went heavy on the Packers.
And I know you might have been our magazine.
No.
I know you asked him or maybe I asked him about that in the questionnaire.
Let me see that real quick. I if I can find it real quick.
I think I can find it for you.
It was our magazine.
What? Liar.
And he said he's perfectly fine with it.
And, you know, if you think about it,
if you get the type of production that you got at the end of the season
for both guys where Dylan was much more of a significant factor,
it can work.
And for the Browns, the beginning of the season last year
where Hunt was amazing and Chubb was still very good,
by his standards, it can work.
But the only thing that you're doing until maybe one gets hurt
is you're just limiting your options.
So yeah, here's what Will did.
This is his team if you like this uh approach his quarterback is lamar jackson and aaron rogers he has aaron jones
jk dobbins and aj dylan as his top running backs with jamal williams and trey sermon his bench
options so right now dylan is a flex his receivers are terry mcclure and alan lazard
davante smith and he has kelsey So I'm assuming he went Kelsey and Jones.
Yeah.
And then Dobbins and Lamar,
maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah.
This is three receiver PPR.
This is three receiver half PPR.
Okay.
All right.
Well,
I thought it was interesting,
interesting question.
Cause I,
I tend to really like the values for Dylan and hunt. And I want those guys guys. I know, Heath, you said Dillon goes a little too early for you at 66, but I know you do like Kareem Hunt quite a bit at 79. But I don't want to preclude myself from drafting them by drafting their running back mate. But we think it's okay to do both. You get both Browns, get both Packers.
What I'd prefer to do is draft Aaron Jones
and Kareem Hunt. Yeah, that could work too.
So here's
his approach. This is from 12th
overall. Kelsey Jones, Dobbins,
McCorin,
Dylan, and Lamar Jackson.
And he took Dylan over just as the other
running backs that are in the range. And again,
we did this draft in June. So keep that in mind how some things have changed. He took Dylan over just as the other running backs that are in the range. And again, we did this draft in June.
So keep that in mind how some things have changed.
He took Dylan over Elijah Mitchell, Kenneth Walker, Clyde Edwards-Hilaire, Damian Harris.
So I'm fine.
You agree with all those, right?
I agree with all those, yes.
Heath?
I would take Mitchell and Clyde over him, but the rest I'm fine with.
All right.
Yeah. I can get into
the splits a little bit later we can move on to a new topic but the last four games of the season
was after Aaron Jones came back from the injury and both Dylan and Jones were must-start guys
absolute must-start guys but for Dylan a lot of it was touchdowns for Jones it was just you know
great workload on pace for 1400 total yards and 64 catches well
they only scored three touchdowns down the stretch right yeah but that was in four games
so he was on pace for 13 touchdowns um yeah that and that was after Jones it wasn't after Jones
came back from the injury remember the first game back from the injury Jones was just awful
didn't play that much against the Rams um they seemed to get a little healthier and they they
really split the carries very evenly
in those last four games.
38 for Jones, 45 for Dillon.
Then you throw in the playoff game,
and it was even more,
Jones had more in the playoff game.
So if you look at the last five games,
it was almost 50-50 with the carries.
Anyway, all right, let's, oh,
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today. And you can be in the FFT Open. In terms of big news from yesterday, I'll ask you guys
what stood out and then we'll get into the busts, the bust cases for the top players. We'll get back
into the news later on in the show.
But I do want to mention that there's still a chance that Deshaun Watson could have a longer suspension if the NFL appeals it and it would go to Roger Goodell.
So this we should know within a week.
But he's not completely out of the woods yet as far as it just being a six-game suspension.
If you are drafting, if you're selecting keepers or whatever, just keep that in mind.
It could be longer.
It's really up to Roger Goodell right now.
I mean, you can debate the merits of that system,
but that's what it is.
All right, Jamie, what was a headline from yesterday
that we should talk about, biggest news from yesterday?
I think it's got to be Alvin Kamara's case
being pushed back two months, the hearing being pushed back two months. So it's looking to be Alvin Kamara's case being pushed back two months,
the hearing being pushed back two months.
So it's looking more and more likely,
which I think is the way it was trending anyway,
but we know we needed to get past yesterday's court date
that he's going to play in this upcoming season
and whatever suspension he may face, if in fact he is going to face one,
could happen in 2023.
So for those of you drafting Alvin Kamara,
and again, I think we got a little criticism yesterday
about maybe seeming a little insensitive about some of the situation
that we're talking about.
Our job is to evaluate players.
We don't get into the morality of some of these things.
So I apologize, at least for my own part,
if we came across insensitive in any way.
But just in terms of fantasy value for these guys,
for Kamara's sake,
for people that were drafting him
and letting him fall to the end of round two,
in some cases round three,
you clearly got a very good value there
for a guy that is going to exceed that.
Now, is he still a round one talent?
That's the question you have to ask yourself.
And looking at the way that things shook out
at the end of last year with Mark Ingram,
changing quarterback, more weapons around them.
I would not draft him in round one, but I put him firmly in the middle of round two and I'm very comfortable taking him there.
I don't know if I'll get him, but round two, I should say no round two, top 15 picks, you know, right around 15 overalls where I would look for Kamara.
You like Swift and Jones better than Kamara?
I do.
Okay.
Heath, how about you? Swift,. Okay. Heath, how about you?
Swift, Jones, Kamara.
How would you rank them?
I would rank them Jones, Swift, Kamara.
Okay.
And Jamie, I think, is Swift, Jones, Kamara, right?
Yeah, I want to see what they say
about Justin Jackson's sign yesterday.
If he's going to have any chance
of making this more of a committee.
I hope not, in which case I'll go back to Jones, but they're back-to-back for me.
Okay, Heath, any big news from yesterday that we need to get to?
Yeah, and I don't know how much it has to do with the guy who got hurt, but James Washington
fracturing his foot with the fact that Michael Gallup's not expected to be ready for week
one.
This really sets up nicely for Tolbert to get off to a fast start.
It may just mean that James Washington's never one of the top three wide receivers
on the Cowboys this season.
I gave a small boost to Tolbert, a small boost to Pollard in terms of targets,
and a small boost to Dalton Schultz.
Actually, I wonder if we've overlooked a little bit Dak Prescott and concerns just with
like who his number three or two,
even wide receiver is going to be.
If Tolbert doesn't step up,
it could be bad times for Prescott.
Yeah.
Right.
We were talking about potential ADP risers in a show last week and Russell
Wilson was one for Dave.
And I think Jamie said,
Jalen hurts think that's what it was. And I think Jamie said Jalen Hurts.
I think that's what it was.
And I said, who could they jump over?
And Dak seemed like a logical one to me just because there's not the same.
Not to say that it should be the case, but you know how fantasy managers get, right? You want to feel excited about somebody.
You want there to be some buzz.
And Dak's kind of boring, but really, really good. But you know what I'm saying? He
thought he could be a guy that Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts jump in ADP and Dak, I think is QB
seven. I'll check. Uh, I could see him ending up being QB nine, QB 10, something like that,
just because there may not be the same level of enthusiasm for him. And people might start,
you know, looking at the negatives yeah i already had hertz ahead of
dac and i've got dac and wilson back to back i i do think like you're right about the way that
people view dac but i don't necessarily think that's fair like last year he finished his qb7
and didn't run hardly at all and everybody expects him to run more this year and he was
even better than that before last year so So I think Dak has just as much excitement
or potential excitement and potential upside
as the rest of these guys in this tier,
but you're right about the way they're perceived.
I'm kind of surprised that Hertz and Wilson aren't already at it.
So maybe things have changed over the last week,
or maybe I just got the name wrong,
but Hertz is now QB7 and Dak is QB8.
Brady is QB9.
I have a different thing on Fantasy Pros.
I don't know where you're looking.
So I'm looking at the PPR ADP.
And what's weird about fantasy pros
is if you look at overall
and then you just sort by quarterback,
it does change.
So in looking at overall ADP,
which is what I'm looking at,
Hertz is QB7, Dak is QB8,
Brady is QB9, and Wilson's QB10.
If you hit quarterback, Dak is 7, Hertz is 8, Brady is 9, Rogers is 10.
Is that what you're looking at?
Yes.
Wilson's 11.
So I'm not quite sure what to go with.
I've just been using overall.
But let's just say they're close.
I struggle for me.
I'm with Heath, obviously.
We both, I think, are in the Hertz camp.
Burrow, Prescott, and Trey Lance.
Because I think if Trey Lance hits, he's better than both.
Right now, I have him ranked behind both.
And looking at Burrow and Dak, if the rushing numbers are similar,
I mean, you know, Heath just alluded to this.
Finding the targets for Dak seemed like a little bit of a problem right now
because of losing bodies, whereas Burrow's got the best trio of wide receivers
in the league, at least on paper.
And it's hard not to like Burrow more.
I mean, obviously the public does.
I don't think we do collectively.
Okay.
I don't know we do collectively. Okay. I don't know if I do.
Burrow versus Dak versus Brady is a tough one for me right now.
Brady should be ahead of those guys.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
Did you feel that way before the Julio Jones signing
and before the Godwin?
Brady ahead of Burrow and Dak?
Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah.
I had Brady up there with Hertz and Lamar.
Yeah, I'm the low guy on Brady
and I still would take him over those guys.
There's a teardrop after Brady.
Well, ADP is the low guy on Brady
compared to you. If you're the low guy
on Brady, you're still higher than ADP.
Yes, I see. He's ninth.
Yeah, I know.
I'm serious. I'm not trying to... No, no.
I agree. Yeah.
I've got to ask you another question about Kamara. I'm sorry.
I meant to ask.
The hearing is September 30th now. It could always get pushed back
again. But do you draft
him thinking there's a chance that he could have a midseason
suspension, which we saw from Zeke, what was
that, three, four years ago.
Do you really feel like it'll be next year, if anything?
Everything
I'm reading seems
like it's going to be next year if he gets
suspended.
Certainly, there is that chance. I think
he would have to get convicted, though,
for that to happen, if I'm not
mistaken. No, because the NFL could just say
you violated the code of conduct, right?
I mean, that's the whole...
Deshaun Watson was never convicted.
I think Jamie's mostly right,
except for one wild card
that we just have no idea of knowing how possible it is.
What if the video shows up?
Right.
Okay.
Matthew Stafford's still limited, by the way,
and feeling some pain in his elbow.
When do you guys...
They're not worried, Rams say.
When do you guys get worried about this situation?
Closer to the season.
They're starting to feel like not a Super Bowl hangover because they won.
Typically it's the hangovers for the losing team.
But man, losing bodies.
Yeah, Ben Jefferson out for a while, might not be ready for week one.
I do not.
I do not like it.
It makes me really want to lean into Jefferson over Cup,
but I'm not there yet.
Van Jefferson over Cup?
No.
Oh, okay.
All right, everyone is a bust part two.
So we did six players yesterday.
They were Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey,
Austin Eckler, Cooper Cup, Justin Jefferson,
and Derrick Henry.
So we'll pick it up.
Fantasy ADP, Fantasy Pros ADP and full PPR.
Najee Harris is seventh.
So we'll start with him.
And Heath, you actually,
I'm not going to say you think he's a bust,
but you do think
it is going a little early at seven.
So make the bus case for Najee Harris.
And the way this exercise work is I'm going to make somebody make a bus case for him.
And then we're going to say, if we actually believe it, this is not what we feel.
This is just being negative for the sake of being negative, which is why you show up to
listen to podcasts, right?
All right.
Najee Harris, Heath, the bus case.
I actually did put Harris
in my bust column so this this won't be that difficult um for me I don't know if anybody will
agree with it but no I think the case for him as a bust is that this offense doesn't get better
going from Ben Roethlisberger to Trubisky and or Kenny Pickett but but they do throw less, and a lower percentage of their passes go to running backs.
And so Harris doesn't score more touchdowns than he did last year,
has similar yardage numbers, but 20 fewer catches and fewer receiving yards.
And he was only RB8 on a per-game basis last year.
So he doesn't have to be a whole lot worse than RB8
to be at least a bad value
at the seventh pick overall.
Jamie, you buy the
bus case for Najee Harris and how
concerned are you?
I buy the case
but I still buy the player.
I think as we saw last year
and I know he's brought
it up but he's kind of talked out of both sides of his mouth,
if I'm not mistaken, saying he would be welcome to more rest,
but also is not concerned if he has 500 carries or 500 touches,
whatever he said.
So I think he's certainly built for it.
I think that there clearly is going to be a change in offensive approach
and potentially philosophy.
But I also trust Mike Tomlin and Mike Tomlin's running backs,
his lead running backs.
When he's had a guy, that guy has typically been fantastic.
And I think Najee Harris is certainly in the mold of peak Le'Veon Bell,
peak D'Angelo Williams when he stepped in for it, peak James Conner,
peak Willie Parker, whoever you want to put back there. Najee, I think, will certainly live in for it. Peak James Conner, you know, peak Willie Parker, you know, whoever you want to put back there.
Najee, I think, will certainly live up to it.
Now, you know, I think when you start to compare him
to the guys that are around him, you know,
Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon, Dalvin Cook,
you can make a case for and against each of them.
So if you want to go in a different direction,
and I was thinking about this when you were talking
at the start of the show about Heath not being here,
that we had at least one draft maybe two uh without heath um and it kind of two players
in in polar opposites for him to a certain degree naji fell to 11 in one draft which we've never
seen yeah um and mark andrews made it to the third round which we never see you know so um two things
without heath being there that are a little bit of a surprise.
One, that Najee fell, but obviously more so Andrew.
But in any event, I think it's encouraging
based on what he did as a rookie,
and I do think this offense will be slightly better
without Ben there holding them back.
Okay.
Jamie, are you good with Najee at seven?
Totally.
I don't know how to i chose mixing over
nausea in a draft last week and to me i just view them very similarly but i'm just going to take
the guy on the better offense which with the probably significantly better offensive line i
actually you know i don't know who's going to be more efficient hasn't really been mixing's
specialty but through one season hasn't been Najee's either.
I feel like the touches are going to be fairly similar,
probably fewer catches for Mixon.
I recently switched to Mixon over Harris
just because it's a bet on the Bengals
more over a bet on the Steelers.
What do you guys go with?
Obviously, Heath is going to go Mixon, right?
Jamie, how about you?
Mixon or Half?
I don't have a problem with that.
For me, it's format.
Half and non-PPR, I'll take Mixon because I agree with you.
I think there's more touchdown potential.
PPR, I'll take Najee because I think there's potentially maybe 30 more catches for him.
All right.
We're going to do a bust case for the number eight player in ADP, and that is Dalvin Cook.
We'll challenge Jamie to come up
with a bus case for Dalvin Cook that does not involve injury. But right now, we want to talk
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All right, Jamie, you said all these good things
about Peloton.
Now say some bad things about Dalvin Cook.
He is eighth in ADP on Fantasy Pros.
Make the bus case for Dalvin Cook.
Well, assuming he stays healthy, age is a factor as we've brought up.
27 or older, don't finish in the top six, so upside might be capped.
He's talked about Alexander Madison getting a bigger role.
And if that's the case you know this is a regime change you know so maybe kevin o'connell doesn't
want to run dalvin cook into the ground because they have playoff and super bowl aspirations so
they want to keep him healthier uh for the end of the season a more aggressive approach throwing
the ball so the touchdowns don't come up and we still see him you know stuck under 10 still with
the chance to run the ball at a very high level, but not as involved in the passing game as they've said
because they're going to use more KJ Osborne and Irv Smith is there.
So could have some empty carries for Dalvin Cook.
I don't believe any of what I'm saying,
but yes, that could be the case.
Heath, do you see bus concerns for Cook?
Do you believe anything of what Jamie said?
Yeah, I think the thing maybe that would be the most concerning
would be as if he shares just a little bit more
rushing and then the rams running back target rate from the past two years becomes the vikings
running back target rate this year they've been last or debt next to last each of the past two
years like 12 to 13 percent of their passes have gone to running backs so if i don't think that's
going to happen they're talking about playing him at wide receiver. Um, but if it does, that would, that would cause him to bust.
And do you care at all that he sort of struggled down the stretch? He's been so great in yards per
carry 4.5 yards per carrier more every season. But, uh, last year, fewer than four yards per
carry in five of his last seven games. And remember that game against the Steelers, 27 carries, 205 yards,
two touchdowns.
The Steelers were a joke at that point.
They were a mess.
And he really boosted his numbers.
So I'm just wondering, you know, did we start to see some slippage?
He obviously has trouble staying healthy.
Is anybody concerned that, you know,
the arrow is pointing down for Dalvin Cook
and he's not really the player that he once was?
Only in Dynasty.
I mean, look, it's not pointing up to the same degree.
It's probably leveling off.
Yeah.
So, you know, are you going to get – I mean, I've said this a few times.
This is probably his last great season, superstar season.
And then I think I have to start to worry about it.
But I think, you know, this is still a very good offensive line.
I like the coaching staff.
I still love the player, love the talent.
And, you know, hopefully it's, you know,
one last chance at leading the NFL in rushing.
Stays healthy.
15-plus touchdowns.
You know, I wrote the story for our magazine.
It's on the site as well, on Jonathan Taylor.
And, you know, five guys who could challenge to be the number one running back,
and he's in the five.
If you wanted some more ammunition for that case, Adam,
he did have a career low in receptions per game,
receiving yards per game,
and yards per target, and yards per touch last year.
Yeah, you know what's annoying, though?
Alexander Madison had something like 19 catches
in the four games that Cook missed.
I don't get that.
They're obviously throwing to the running backs in those games.
And then in terms of Madison, if you're someone who values this,
Dalvin Cook seems to have, based on the previous regime anyway,
not only a clear handcuff, but an incredible handcuff.
And that might sway you.
It's a personal thing.
Sometimes people like getting the handcuff for another running back.
But if you're saying, man, should I go mix in or cook?
Well, obviously you have a much better handcuff option with Dalton.
Or Najee.
Yeah, Najee too, exactly.
Or most running backs, to be quite honest.
All right, let's see who's next in the bust-a-thon here.
It is Jamar Chase.
He'll be wide receiver three in Fantasy Pro's ADP, number nine overall.
Heath, you can make the bus case for Jamar Chase.
The 50 yard touchdowns disappear like they have for basically everybody except for Randy Moss.
And he does not replace it with a big increase in volume because T Higgins is better than him.
Doesn't seem that farfetched. Well, the T Higgins is better than him thing.
You kind of threw that in there at the end.
The rest of it didn't seem so far-fetched, I guess.
In terms of fantasy production, T Higgins was better than him when they played together last year, right?
I know.
If you take out the Baltimore game.
If you take out the Baltimore game, okay.
I don't know if it's true.
I think what Jacob said, I never said that.
Jacob said that I believe that the yards per route run,
I think Higgins was better than Chase
when they were both on the field together.
I believe that was the stat.
I honestly don't know about it.
I don't think that's true.
But yeah, anyway, Jamie,
what do you think about that bus case?
So he had five touchdown catches
or six touchdown catches of 50 or more yards last year.
That's very hard to replicate.
And, you know, he won't the volume won't be there, I guess, to compensate.
What do you think?
Could certainly happen.
But he also could actually figure out how to play in the NFL.
And that's not a knock on him.
It's just, you know, he missed the year of college.
And then, hey, it's your job now. And just, you know, he missed a year of college. And then, hey, it's your job now and still, you know,
dealing with COVID protocols last summer.
You know, hopefully it's a more robust route tree.
You know, I think I've referenced this a few times around the time of the
owners meeting, Zach Taylor talking about how this applies to most rookies,
him as well, getting thrown into it, trying to find a place to live,
learning the offense, getting used to your quarterback.
This is why I kind of gravitate toward third-year receivers a lot
is because they say it takes two years to finally grasp it.
And imagine just his understanding of the league gets better.
And so I like the friendly rivalry that he's got with his college teammate
in Justin Jefferson about trying to best him again after having a better rookie
season than he did.
So it's going to be fun to see these guys go back and forth.
I think the sky's the limit for Jamar Chase.
So I do think the volume will be there for him.
That's not a concern for me.
I'm going to give you guys a stat on Jamar Chase and T Higgins,
who is everybody has ranked in their top 16.
Over the last six seasons,
there have been 14 pairs of wide receivers
who have finished top 16.
Both wide receivers on one team finished top 16.
Of those 14 pairs,
only four times did we have a top five finisher and only twice did we have a wide
receiver finish higher than wide receiver four and that was jordy nelson in 2016 i believe his
running mate was davante adams that year as a top 16 guy and chris godwin in 2019 they were both wide receiver two in PPR with a top 16, you know, teammate.
So the point is most of the guys who finish in the top three, let's say,
and most of the guys finish in the top five do not have a number two wide
receiver on their team as good as T Higgins.
So that's pretty interesting.
And maybe it doesn't matter and Jamar Chase bucks the trend
or maybe one of them suffers at the expense of the other.
You know what I mean?
So I don't know.
What do you make of that?
It's a good case for him finishing fourth or fifth instead of third.
Or first, right?
I mean, that's the thing.
If you draft him in the first round,
you at least want the possibility that he's going to finish first.
The catches are very...
How many catches do you have Jamar Chase projected for?
Heath?
I've got Jamar Chase projected almost there 94 yeah that that is a very very low total
for if he finishes number one you're not you just don't see that you don't see fewer than
100 I don't even know what how to calibrate it now it's 17 games but 94 catches if he finishes
wide receiver one would be very low for for wide
receiver well and that's that's why and this is like i don't know if i've talked about this or
not but i have a massive difference between cup and jefferson and chase because of catches um
in terms well in terms of fantasy points yeah is it because of the catches? Yes.
In PPR, there's just about the same difference between Chase and Jefferson as there is Chase and McLaurin.
Wow.
I don't know.
I mean, look, I love Jamar Chase,
but that does stand out, Jamie.
The catches are lower, the projected catches,
lower than what you'd normally see from wide receiver one,
and then you've got the Higgins thing.
And I know you guys don't have him ranked as wide receiver one,
but you'd at least like the possibility of him finishing there.
What do you think, Jamie, the chances are,
and we'll finish on this with Chase,
how good are his chances of finishing
as the number one wide receiver in fantasy?
I mean, they're definitely high.
I wouldn't rank him third if I didn't feel that way.
And like I said, I think we'll see, you know, I don't know if he'll be significantly,
I don't know if he'll significantly exceed Heath's projections or what the projections are.
But, I mean, maybe 105, maybe 110.
You know, I don't think he's going to be that much over that number in terms of receptions,
barring a T. Higgins or a Tyler Boyd injury.
But I think also,
you know,
when you start to look at the two guys in front of them,
you know,
you made this case a lot out of my Justin Jefferson hasn't been as good.
You made this yesterday,
you know,
when Thielen's been on the field.
And so if Thielen's on the field the entire season,
well,
Jefferson reached the heights that we have from is Alan Robinson better than
anybody else.
Cooper cup has played with that could certainly be the case,
you know?
So in terms of running mates,
they all have guys there and
things that you could see that can sort of
knock them from their perch.
It may be a case
for Stephon Diggs
if you don't believe in Gabriel Davis or
Jameson Crowther, just in terms of maybe him getting
back to where he was two years ago.
So Devontae Adams,
any of these guys up there.
C.D. Lamb now has lost another, you know, competition for target.
So, you know, you can certainly see the potential flaws there.
But, you know, it's also, I think when you're looking at Jefferson
and Chase in particular, more so Chase, what can he become?
Oh, yeah, he's a beast. He's a beast.
He had 64 fewer catches than cooper cup last year
which is amazing uh okay well that'll do it you know maybe the summary is jamar chase has a better
chance of finishing his wide receiver one in non-ppr than he does in full ppr and and obviously
half ppr be right in the middle but it's's like Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill was comparing him to the rest of his position.
He was a little more valuable, I think,
in not in half PPR than he was in full PPR
before last year when he kind of became a different receiver.
All right, let's take a break here
and we'll finish up the round one guys,
Devante Adams, Stefan Diggs, Joe Mixon as well.
We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today
to make more bust cases.
Be right back.
All right, let's go to Devontae Adams.
We'll go faster here.
We spent a lot of time on those first three guys.
Najee Harris, Dalvin Cook, and Jamar Chase.
So let's just do two to three minutes per player here.
And Heath, you can make the bust case for Devontae Adams.
Yeah, he's on a new team that has Darren Waller and Hunter Renfro
who are going to take a much larger share of the targets
than anybody he's played with in the last few years.
And he's playing with a quarterback who doesn't throw that many touchdowns,
so he doesn't have a super high touchdown rate either.
Yeah, and Jamie, do you believe it?
Heath, do you believe that?
Yeah, I kind of. I think it? Heath, do you believe that? Yeah, I kind of.
I think last I looked, I don't have Devontae Adams in the first round.
So I'd rather take him in the middle of the second.
So I think he's being overdrafted.
And Jamie?
He is a second-round receiver for me, second-round player.
I actually have CeeDee Lamb ahead of him, so he's not in my top five.
I have Stephon Diggs at him, too.
I've told you this a few times uh 104 86 and 59 that's the difference in targets between davante adams and
the number two guy the last three seasons in green bay uh i doubt it's that steep and i doubt that
he's going to be at the level that he has been. And that's saying how great he's been.
I think he can still be in the range of 17.7 PPR points per game or 15.9 PPR points per
game.
And in those two numbers, in 2019, he was a top 10 guy.
And in 2017, which was the 15.9, he was still a top 10 guy.
So I don't think he's going to fall off.
I don't think he's going to be a total bust. I just don't think he's going to fall off. I don't think he's going to be a total
bust. I just don't think he's going to finish in the top three. And so that's why I'm not taking
him in the first round. Okay. Uh, let's go to Joe Mixon here. I'll tell you this since if we go back
to the 2019 season, he had an ankle injury early. He struggled for the first half of the 2019 season. This is Joe Mixon. After
the bye, he was much better.
Since week 10 of 2019,
that is 30 games,
Joe Mixon has averaged 19.6
carries per game, and he's
been on pace for 45 catches
per 17 games.
He has been a workhorse.
The numbers were 18.3 carries per
game, but a true workhorse,
which is why I've been comparing him to Najee Harris
and why I've had trouble deciding between the two.
ADP has Harris at 7 and Mixon at 11.
Jamie, make a bust case for Joe Mixon.
I think really it's just a matter of do the touchdowns come down
and do the receptions not go up?
And so if those two things happen, still should be a very good player.
You mentioned that the offensive line is significantly upgraded.
Joe Burrow should continue to improve.
Receiving core is awesome.
But if Chris Evans has more of a role and the touchdowns go more,
they start to throw the ball a little bit more in the red zone,
a little bit more near the goal line,
then I think Joe Burrow doesn't you know leap over
the guys that he's going ahead of and naji harris dalvin cook being the two i think that
those three guys will get lumped together because i don't think he's going to be in the same
conversation as derrick henry and austin eckler christian mcafree and jonathan taylor so he's in
the next group understandably so but if you're drafting him you're drafting to be better than
those guys and if those things don't happen, touchdowns and receptions,
and PPR is going to be tough.
You know, Heath, we should look back to 2020 with Joe Mixon.
He had a great game against the Jaguars.
He scored 41.2 PPR fantasy points.
A massive game.
The other five games, he kind of stunk.
And people forget about it.
But he averaged 2.9 yards per carry in those games.
Then he missed the last 10 games of the season.
But Joe Mixon in 2020 was one of our hottest topics on a weekly basis.
Like, what is going on with Joe Mixon?
You know, should I sit Joe Mixon?
He had an ankle injury, right?
No, that was 2019.
I thought he was playing through an ankle injury then, too.
I don't think so.
He got hurt and missed the last 10 games of the year.
People hated Joe Mixon for it, and they were just sworn off of joe mixon so he had his best full season last year should we expect something similar this year i mean i think there's a little bit of a wide range
outcomes i did not forget about those first six games because i feel like we spent all last off
season rehashing them um and debating whether he was actually bad or not.
I'm glad we don't have to do that anymore.
Yes.
No, the risk would be, and you've talked about this with Joe Burrow,
and people are drafting Joe Burrow as if he's going to throw a whole lot more.
So I think the risk would be that they do throw a whole lot more
and they keep playing other running backs on third down over Joe Mixon.
But he's on a really good offense,
and he's probably going to get 20 touches a game.
It's hard to make an argument against that guy that doesn't include an injury.
Well, it's hard to make an argument against Stephon Diggs
except look at the production, especially in the playoffs.
Josh Allen threw for 637 yards and five touchdowns in the playoffs,
and Stephon Diggs had 67 of those yards.
So about 10%, a little uh more than 10 but yeah he he had a somewhat disappointing season
and stefan diggs you know he's a ton of targets two straight years heath what's the bus case
against stefan diggs who was going 12th in fantasy pros's PPR ADP. Yeah, I mean, I think it's that 2020 is the clear outlier in his career.
And you should expect an 11 or 1,200-yard receiver
who scores 6 to 10 touchdowns
and not the 1,500-yard guy we got in 2020.
Gabriel Davis is obviously the next coming.
Great, great wide receiver who's
going in round four or five now so he's going to take targets away from digs no i don't really
believe it i think digs is fine yeah but the 1200 yards i think that was really shocking to me
164 targets and only 1225 1225 yards jamie is that what you expect? You expect a 1,200-yard receiver? Or what did he have?
I'll check the year before.
1,535.
I think you just kind of go somewhere in between, you know,
and live with that.
You know, I would anticipate probably a little bit of a target reduction,
you know, just because they have a pass-catching running back
that they're going to use.
They have a second tight end I think they're going to use.
You know, they have multiple options that they didn't have last season,
you know, whether it's Crowder or Gabriel Davis or maybe Khalil Shakir,
you know, somebody that will just do, you know,
something as the third guy where Emmanuel Sanders really didn't last season
and Gabriel Davis didn't trust.
And so, you know, between Knox and Howard and every option that they have there,
you know, maybe we see him go from 165 on average the last two years
to closer to 150.
So not a steep decline, but enough of a decline
that maybe he is closer to 110 catches as opposed to 127
or just slightly better than the 103.
But again, if you're taking the average of two seasons
with Josh Allen, that's an elite-level player,
and that's the kind of guy I think you want to target in the first round.
You're okay with him 12th
overall? I am, yes.
Okay. Heath?
I'd rather him
around two. Okay, so 13th?
15th.
I think I've got him 18, actually.
Oh, okay.
I'm just going to give you the next
six guys in ADP.
And they are DeAndre Swift, Travis Kelsey, Nick Chubb,
Debo Samuel, and CeeDee Lamb.
And Alvin Kamara, sorry.
DeAndre Swift, Travis Kelsey, Nick Chubb, Debo Samuel,
CeeDee Lamb, Alvin Kamara.
Heath, who's got the most boss potential in that group of six?
Assuming we're not considering injury,
I will say CeeDee Lamb.
Just on the off chance that even with Michael Gallup
not quite ready for the start of the year,
they just don't feature a guy
at a 26, 27% target share,
which might be what CeeDee Lamb needs
to be worthy of a second-round pick.
Jamie, how about you?
Give me the biggest bust potential in that group.
Swift, Kelsey, Nick Chubb, Debo Samuel,
CeeDee Lamb, Alvin Kamara.
Non-injury for me, it's Debo.
Just looking at his potential decline in rushing attempts
and rushing production.
Losing some targets to Brandon Ayuk and George Kittle,
certainly as we saw down the stretch last season.
Trey Lance not being as competent as a passer,
in some cases, as Jimmy Garoppolo,
at least in terms of how the ball is delivered to Devo Samuel.
And so very similar to Devonta Adams, as I said,
still being a very good player, just not living up to that ADP.
Yeah, and I don't think anybody has any CBS person, CBSer,
has Nick Chubb 15th overall in full PPR.
I think that's too rich for your blood there, right?
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and's too rich for your blood there, right? Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Deshaun Watson, you know,
a Houston running back.
Watson's three full seasons.
Houston running back scored seven,
eight, and seven touchdowns,
rushing touchdowns.
He scored five, seven, and three rushing touchdowns.
Who were those guys?
They were Lamar Miller, Carlos Hyde,
and David Johnson.
Yeah, there's a little difference there.
I know that, but the point is Chubb has some goal line competition
that he didn't have in Deshaun Watson.
Well, he had some goal line competition in Kareem Hunt.
Yes, he does.
Now factor in another guy there, Deshaun Watson.
All right, let's finish up.
We'll look at the other news items
that you might be interested in.
And then we'll read your emails
at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.
So quarterback news.
Geno Smith is still the leader
in the quarterback battle for Seattle.
And Kyler Murray has COVID,
so he's out a minimum of five days.
Running back news.
We told you about Alvin Kamara.
His court case pushed to September 29th.
Najee Harris was stepped on.
He left practice early.
He should be fine.
Antonio Gibson appears to be over his hamstring injury.
ESPN's Elena Getzenberg thinks that Zach Moss
is trending toward having a role in the Buffalo offense.
So when should Devin Singletary be drafted in your opinion? Jamie?
Not before
round six in
most formats, maybe round seven in PPR
I like where
he went, so we do this, it's going to be on the
site, it's our pick by pick series where
we keep increasing every year
which I think is more fun
it's six of us this year, the three of us, Dave
Dan Schneier,
and Chris Towers, and we each take two teams in a 12-team PPR draft.
And Singletary fell and fell and fell and fell and fell,
and you took him in the eighth round.
I did, right?
Huh?
I did, right?
Yes, Adam, sorry.
Clearly we have, I think Dave is the only one that's really
sort of pro-Devin Singletary.
We sort of have a little bit of a bias against Devin Singletary.
I think you're going to get a very serviceable running back,
but I don't know if there's a big ceiling.
Certainly not the ceiling that we saw at the end of last year.
And so that's the concern.
If Zach Moss is going to take away some of his carries
and James Cook is going to take away his passes,
then you're talking about a lot of empty production potentially
if he's not somehow superstar in the other work that he gets.
Maybe back to Devin Singletary.
But I've got him in round eight in PPR.
He may be a guy who has one of the biggest splits for me
between non and full PPR for now.
But if Moss is involved, then it won't be much of a split
because he'll be in round eight in non PPR as well.
Detroit signed running back, Justin Jackson.
So do you bother handcuffing Deandre Swift?
And if so,
who would it be?
Hmm.
I think it's still got to be Jamal Williams,
but,
uh,
I mean,
they,
they kind of tipped their hand last year,
right?
When,
when Swift missed time,
it was huge committee.
Uh,
the Jaguar Jaguars rookie Snoop Conner had a good practice on Monday. it was huge committee.
Jaguars rookie Snoop Conner had a good practice on Monday,
so that is just a name to know if James Robinson is not ready for week one.
Snoop Conner.
And wide receiver news,
the San Francisco 49ers will use Debo Samuel in the run game.
And he will get paid extra for his run production.
That's right.
Dallas wide receiver James Washington out six to ten weeks. We talked
about that. Fractured foot. Rams wide receiver
Van Jefferson could miss
week one. He's going to have minor knee surgery.
We don't talk about
Tyquan Thornton much. Rookie wide receiver
for the Patriots. He had a good practice on Monday.
Do you guys, is he on
your radar at all, Tyquan Thornton?
Let me tie it into the next news item, which is that
according to Pro Football Network,
Will Fuller is getting some nibbles,
but more likely to sign with a team
later in the preseason.
Which makes a lot of sense.
You don't want to risk Will Fuller during practice.
Would you rather draft Taequann Thornton or Will Fuller?
Obviously, we're getting deep here.
Will Fuller.
The Patriots receiving core is very interesting.
It's not very exciting.
Someone will emerge from there that, you know, I think that you'll say,
why didn't I spend a late-round pick on this guy?
I think right now if you're prioritizing them, Parker's had a strong start to camp.
You know, clearly his resume is the best.
Jacoby Myers is always going to be undervalued,
but you have the touchdown concerns there with him.
Kendrick Bourne, you know, when you look at advanced metrics for the Patriots,
everybody gets excited about him, but again, you're getting excited about him.
And then Taequann Thornton, you know, so when you factor in the tight ends
and how they're going to run the ball,
it just feels like it's going to be a very icky situation
throughout the course of the season.
One week, one guy will do something.
You'll say, why didn't I start him?
You'll go pick him up.
And then the next week, it'll be the next guy.
You know, so you're asking Mac Jones to,
you know, hopefully feature one of these guys.
Parker would be the one I would gamble on most.
And two other wide receiver notes.
Atlanta wide receiver Brian Edwards
does not have a long-term injury,
according to head coach Arthur Smith.
And Denver wide receiver KJ Hamler is off the pup list.
In week three last year, Hamler tore his ACL and dislocated his hip,
so it's great to see him back.
Brian Edwards, I just saw a tweet earlier in the show
that he landed on his shoulder apparently,
and he's back at practice this morning with a yellow jersey on.
And some defensive news.
Seattle safety Jamal Adams has a broken finger,
but he will probably have, if he has surgery,
it will be after the season.
Carolina cornerback J.C. Horn is off the pup list.
And Giants rookie safety Dane Belton broke his collarbone.
Still has a chance to be back for week one,
but safety is not a strength of the New York Giants,
and they did not need that injury.
I do want to bring up one more thing here that Dave is tweeting about,
and it is the Rams running backs.
Sean McVay was asked about improving
the run game's efficiency
and specifically about Cam Akers on Sirius
by Alex Marvez.
McVay barely mentioned Akers,
and when he did, he lumped in Daryl Henderson with him.
McVay also lumped Akers and Henderson together
when answering a random question yesterday about players john wolford has to work with point is he's lately not mentioning
one without the other feels like he sees them as a duo that is dave interpreting
sean mcveigh's comments about the running backs i thought it was interesting because like last
week or the week before i got a little more excited about Acres because I'd kind of forgotten.
They had 14 games last year where either Henderson or Sonny Michel
had 16-plus touches.
There was not very much committee work happening.
There rarely is with them.
I know they had Todd Gurley for a while. But we'll see how this plays out.
I wish I remembered the reports from last year,
what they were saying about Sonny Michel.
But Michel was kind of a late addition, wasn't he?
After the Acres injury.
He was a late addition.
Right.
Okay.
All right, let's read your emails.
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From Andrew.
Dear Leslie, Andy, Ron, and Tom. your emails fantasy football at cbsi.com from andrew dear leslie andy ron and tom jamie have you ever seen parks and rec no oh missing out i know skip season one though season
one's not not great i know you did a show on different formats but didn't have time to do
different league sizes my big money league is 10 teams, full PPR,
start two running backs, two wide receivers, and three flexes.
How would your strategy change in a 10-team
league with three flexes?
Can you start five running backs? Yes.
It's full PPR. You can start five running
backs. You can start five wide receivers.
You can start four tight ends.
Well, let's step back, right?
A lot of times what we say about 10-team leagues is
you want to try to be elite at every position.
So if it were a 10-team league with two running backs,
two receivers, and one flex,
we might tell you to prioritize a top five tight end
or a truly elite
quarterback or something like that.
Um,
instead of maybe building out running back and wide receiver depth.
But what if there are three flexes instead of one flex here?
How does that change things?
Heath?
I'd be less,
um,
interested in drafting wide receivers early.
Really?
Even though you could start up to five of them?
But I only have to start
two of them.
Right, but they're,
yeah,
but they're very valuable.
With CPR,
I'd go heavy receiver.
Right, that's what I was,
that's why I was a little surprised
by what he'd say.
In a 10-team league?
Yeah.
The three flexes, though,
does make me
back off on the
you need to get the elite
tight end thing.
Or quarterback. In a 10-team league get the elite tight end thing. Or quarterback.
In a 10-team league, you're going to have a great quarterback.
Quarterback for sure,
but I wouldn't pass up Kelsey or Andrews.
No, I wouldn't pass up.
I wouldn't say,
okay, I really need to get a top five
tight end.
That's the perfect type of league. You can go
five receivers in a row.
Bam, bam, bam, bam. And then, the perfect type of league you can go five receivers in a row.
Bam, bam, bam, bam.
And then,
you know, while people are starting to chase that position. I mean, look, we're starting to see it in our drafts,
which we never really do.
I mean, usually our drafts, we end up, you know,
oh my God, where are the running backs? Like the last three or four
drafts we've done,
the running back potential has been so much better
at the end of drafts.
Yeah.
The potential, but also the...
I mean, this is where I kind of pushed back last time you guys mentioned that.
Yes, the potential is bigger,
but also the potential for them to be completely useless is bigger.
Guys like Isaiah Spiller and Daryl Henderson.
Guys that could just be strictly handcuffs sure but again when we're comparing them in the ranges of davante parker and um
jarvis landry and nico collins and i'd rather yeah i'm sorry i'm just laughing at wandell
robinson go ahead jamie well i'm just i'm just saying like what are those guys gonna do for you and I'd rather... Yeah, I'm sorry. I was just laughing at Wanda Robinson.
Go ahead, Jamie.
Well, I'm just saying,
what are those guys going to do for you by comparison to Isaiah Spiller
maybe getting a three-week window
of the starting running back for the Chargers?
I didn't know if it was those guys.
I thought it was more like Michael Gallup.
All right, I'll reference this draft
we did again yesterday.
Why don't we reference ADP?
Sure.
Okay, so we're looking at looking at the Spiller range.
I think Spiller is way too late, though.
He's going 110th.
Chris Olave, Isaiah Spiller,
Garrett Wilson, Kadarius Toney,
James Robinson, Russell Gage,
James Cook, Mike Gacicki,
Alan Lazard.
This is still an area where I think
the wide receivers are better.
Agreed.
Now, if we go a little later.
But I think we're also taking a handful
of those wide receivers significantly sooner.
Yes, yes.
But like Russell Gage,
we're not that excited about him anymore, are we?
Heath, you don't get to talk about that.
You were on vacation.
I was just going to, like,
Chris Godwin's not on the pup.
Julio Jones is on the bucks.
All right, let's do another email here.
Pat Bowles said he's uncomfortable.
From Trevor.
Dear Justin, JC, Joey, and Lance.
Heath, you know them, right?
Justin, JC, Joey, and Lance?
Yeah.
Do you think that is NSYNC or Backstreet Boys or 98 Degrees?
I thought it was New Kids on the Block.
It's NSYNC, right? Yeah, it's NSYNC or Backstreet Boys or 98 Degrees? I thought it was New Kids on the Block. It's NSYNC, right?
Yeah, it's NSYNC.
All right, 12 teams, Superflex, PPR League,
with two flex spots in addition to the Superflex.
I can keep one of the following.
Justin Fields in the eighth,
Mike Williams in the 11th,
or Elijah Mitchell in the 18th round.
And he's keeping Mark Andrews and Trey Lance.
And he is the first overall pick.
So he could take Allen, Taylor, or McCaffrey.
So he's already got Trey Lance and Mark Andrews.
He's got the first overall pick.
Now he needs to decide between Fields in the 8th,
Mike Williams in the 11th,
or Elijah Mitchell in the 18th round.
Fields.
Yeah, I'd probably go Mitchell
and draft Allen
but just like to be full disclosure
I would keep
fields in the eighth over Lance in the sixth
oh that's a good point
but I know
nobody else would but
that's a big difference two round differenceround difference in a Superflex League,
12-team Superflex League.
All right, this is from James Doyle
from the Woodlands, Texas.
Dear Swan, Ajax, Cowboy, and Rembrandt.
No, that's New Kids on the Block.
No, that's NSYNC.
That's Backstreet Boys.
I've noticed there's not much discussion
about Dynasty Leagues.
Are there any plans to include
more Dynasty talk in the future?
I feel like we've talked about Dynasty
more this year than we ever have.
What the hell are we talking about?
As we get to this point in the season,
it's hard to have those conversations
at the same level.
Yeah.
I think we try to weave it into our analysis, though.
Adam should just start a new
dynasty podcast i don't know what the warriors are but that would be swan ajax cowboy and rembrandt
yeah i'm sorry we don't talk as much dynasty now uh we'll we will try to do it i say that every
we do have a dynasty landing page with updated tiers rankings 150, trade charts, mock drafts, mailbags, all that stuff.
Yeah.
At cbssports.com, fantasy football page,
top right-hand corner.
cbssports.com slash fantasy slash football.
From Corey, 10-team PPR Dynasty Superflex League.
Doing a slow draft right now for rookies.
I got Ken Walker at pick 102
and Garrett Wilson at pick 110.
This is a 10-team PPR Dynasty Superflex League.
Are you excited about any of these guys?
Ritter, Willis, Howell, or Corral?
Corral, pardon me.
Ritter, Willis, Howell, or Corral?
How would you rank them in Superflex?
I probably would put Corral ahead of how yeah ritter willis corral how okay and this is
from josh dear popeye dr daniel and felix or popeye dr daniel Daniel and Felix. No idea.
10-team Superflex, three receiver, half PPR.
We have a new rule this season,
an additional one point per receiving first down only.
What do you think about that?
How would that impact your draft?
Point per first down, but only receiving first downs. I read something because the Scott Fishbowl had the half point per receiving first down
and rushing first down.
And I think the easiest way to look at it is just give everyone a 5% bonus on their receiving yards.
But do you basically shy away from any running backs
who are not involved in the passing game?
Because this format sucks for them.
But it's only a half PPR league,
so this is moving it probably past PPR,
but not that much.
All right. All right.
All right, thank you all for the questions
and for watching and listening.
Apparently, Warriors is a good movie
that I need to watch.
The Warriors.
Sure, why not?
Got plenty of time now.
All right, for Jamie and Heath, I'm Adam.
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